New Sainsbury’s set to replace village pub (From Daily Echo)
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New Sainsbury’s set to replace village pub
11:00am Thursday 8th November 2012 in News
By Chris Yandell, Chief Reporter, New Forest
The Hampshire Yeoman pub in Blackfield.
CONTROVERSIAL plans to turn a Hampshire pub into a late-night convenience store are set to be given the go-ahead next week.
Planning chiefs are being urged to approve proposals to convert the Hampshire Yeoman in Blackfield into a Sainsbury’s Local.
The hotly-debated scheme has split the village – despite the promise of up to 25 jobs.
Some residents support the application, claiming that the Hampshire Yeoman, in Hampton Lane, which has been at the heart of the local community for more than 50 years, is an eyesore and a noise nuisance.
But others say the proposed new store would generate extra traffic, jeopardising the safety of children walking to and from Blackfield Primary School.
New Forest District Council has received 15 letters of objection and four of support.
The application was due to have been discussed by the council’s planning committee last month but was deferred after a late objection from Hampshire County Council, which expressed concern about the safety of the car park.
The applicant has now agreed to reduce the number of parking spaces and provide two new pedestrian routes to Hampton Lane and Blackfield Road.
A report to the November meeting of the committee says that Sainsbury’s does not need planning permission to turn the pub into a shop. However, its proposals to build a single-storey rear extension and install a new front entrance do require consent.
The report describes the new store as a “logical and justifiable” extension to the area’s retail community.
It adds: “Concerns have been raised that the proposal might be a forerunner for a more significant retail development but every proposal must be judged on its merits.”
The pub’s landlord is Richard Clark, who says he will lose his home as well as his job if the application is approved.
Comments(18)
loosehead
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11:56am Thu 8 Nov 12
Timsey
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12:11pm Thu 8 Nov 12
loosehead
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12:17pm Thu 8 Nov 12
Timsey wrote:Look at the store in Portswood hardly any tills manned our open but you can use a self service till?
25 jobs? Once they introduce the self-service checkouts more likely just 5 jobs
surely this Pub taken over by a Micro brewery serving real ale would have attracted the older/more sensible clientele & served as a meeting place wouldn't it?
Local_User
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12:27pm Thu 8 Nov 12
The 'some residents' cant be that many as i live about 200 yards away and have not heard about this until now. I can see the car park being used for school drop off's too, as there is enough traffic on drop of and pick up times as it is. However you could say the old pub has seen better days.
Local_User
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12:28pm Thu 8 Nov 12
The 'some residents' cant be that many as i live about 200 yards away and have not heard about this until now. I can see the car park being used for school drop off's too, as there is enough traffic on drop of and pick up times as it is. However you could say the old pub has seen better days.
Scott_OOOSH
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1:15pm Thu 8 Nov 12
Rhi Bennett
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1:38pm Thu 8 Nov 12
Linesman
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2:50pm Thu 8 Nov 12
Local_User wrote:Why would the car park suddenly become a 'school drop off' when the car park has been there all the time it has been a pub?
Why would they want to do this? Tesco is over the road and what will it do the the other local shops which have already been hit by Tesco trade.
The 'some residents' cant be that many as i live about 200 yards away and have not heard about this until now. I can see the car park being used for school drop off's too, as there is enough traffic on drop of and pick up times as it is. However you could say the old pub has seen better days.
Yes, Tesco may be close by, but could the arrival of Sainsbury give a bit of competition that may see a drop in prices?
loosehead
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3:18pm Thu 8 Nov 12
Rhi Bennett wrote:So would it stay noisy if say a Real ale brewery took it on?
The Hamshire Yeoman is an awful pub! It's noisy and I for one won't miss it when it goes! I don't know anyone out of my friends in the village that actually use it. I'd personally prefer to have a choice where I do my shopping!
Sainsbury's,Tesco's don't sell beer in pint glasses so think how easy it will be for a 18 year old ( looks 18) to buy all the booze the young kids want?
can you see him walking in & out of the pub with 20 pints at a go?
lower tax on alcohol sold in pubs 7 raise them in Supermarkets & get the social back into the pubs.
you alone are to blame if a pub has noisy clients. go use the pub & the landlords will stop the chavs & the rowdy crowds but if you don't what other choice has a landlord got?
Beer Monster
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4:13pm Thu 8 Nov 12
I have to admit it's seen better days, but would have preferred to have seen a revamp of the pub (as loosehead suggests) than an unnecessary convenience store.
sameoldscene
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5:02pm Thu 8 Nov 12
Gwaa
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7:00pm Thu 8 Nov 12
Linesman
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7:32pm Thu 8 Nov 12
Gwaa wrote:For a start, there is a British Legion a few hundred yards away.
The pub has the reputation of being rowdy, in all honesty the other pubs in the area have more trouble then here but that's just swept under the mat, people just don't give it a chance! Where will the locals go to socialise if this closes, guessing drink driving will be on the increase to get to a from other venues? With more parents at home and not out at the pub, will this increase the amount of youths on the streets causing a possible nuisance? The car park is not only used by parents doing he school runs but for local businesses too, ie the garage, will this result in more cars parked on the road, higher risk of an accident? I can see Blackfield soon turning into a Shirley High street, as small local business shut this will open the door to the likes of McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Subway, etc etc, no more community, just large national companies. Rant over!
If you can see Blackfield turning into a Shirley High Street, I suggest you nip along to Specsavers.
Gwaa
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8:25am Fri 9 Nov 12
Linesman wrote:The British Legion is a private members club, you cant just walk in if you fancy pint!
Gwaa wrote:For a start, there is a British Legion a few hundred yards away.
The pub has the reputation of being rowdy, in all honesty the other pubs in the area have more trouble then here but that's just swept under the mat, people just don't give it a chance! Where will the locals go to socialise if this closes, guessing drink driving will be on the increase to get to a from other venues? With more parents at home and not out at the pub, will this increase the amount of youths on the streets causing a possible nuisance? The car park is not only used by parents doing he school runs but for local businesses too, ie the garage, will this result in more cars parked on the road, higher risk of an accident? I can see Blackfield soon turning into a Shirley High street, as small local business shut this will open the door to the likes of McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Subway, etc etc, no more community, just large national companies. Rant over!
If you can see Blackfield turning into a Shirley High Street, I suggest you nip along to Specsavers.
Linesman
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8:35am Fri 9 Nov 12
Gwaa wrote:Correct, but you can join the British Legion, and that way you will be helping serving and ex-service men and women throughout the year, not just when you buy a Poppy.
Linesman wrote:The British Legion is a private members club, you cant just walk in if you fancy pint!
Gwaa wrote:For a start, there is a British Legion a few hundred yards away.
The pub has the reputation of being rowdy, in all honesty the other pubs in the area have more trouble then here but that's just swept under the mat, people just don't give it a chance! Where will the locals go to socialise if this closes, guessing drink driving will be on the increase to get to a from other venues? With more parents at home and not out at the pub, will this increase the amount of youths on the streets causing a possible nuisance? The car park is not only used by parents doing he school runs but for local businesses too, ie the garage, will this result in more cars parked on the road, higher risk of an accident? I can see Blackfield soon turning into a Shirley High street, as small local business shut this will open the door to the likes of McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Subway, etc etc, no more community, just large national companies. Rant over!
If you can see Blackfield turning into a Shirley High Street, I suggest you nip along to Specsavers.
Rob4806
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7:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Linesman wrote:Agreed to an extent but....
Gwaa wrote:Correct, but you can join the British Legion, and that way you will be helping serving and ex-service men and women throughout the year, not just when you buy a Poppy.
Linesman wrote:The British Legion is a private members club, you cant just walk in if you fancy pint!
Gwaa wrote:For a start, there is a British Legion a few hundred yards away.
The pub has the reputation of being rowdy, in all honesty the other pubs in the area have more trouble then here but that's just swept under the mat, people just don't give it a chance! Where will the locals go to socialise if this closes, guessing drink driving will be on the increase to get to a from other venues? With more parents at home and not out at the pub, will this increase the amount of youths on the streets causing a possible nuisance? The car park is not only used by parents doing he school runs but for local businesses too, ie the garage, will this result in more cars parked on the road, higher risk of an accident? I can see Blackfield soon turning into a Shirley High street, as small local business shut this will open the door to the likes of McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Subway, etc etc, no more community, just large national companies. Rant over!
If you can see Blackfield turning into a Shirley High Street, I suggest you nip along to Specsavers.
Why should you have to be the member of a club to enjoy a pint?
Why should somebody have to be selected by a comittee to have a pint?
Its another demonstration of the modern world taking greed over values!
loosehead
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9:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Rob4806 wrote:As an ex TA soldier I can join with out going in front of a committee
Linesman wrote:Agreed to an extent but....
Gwaa wrote:Correct, but you can join the British Legion, and that way you will be helping serving and ex-service men and women throughout the year, not just when you buy a Poppy.
Linesman wrote:The British Legion is a private members club, you cant just walk in if you fancy pint!
Gwaa wrote:For a start, there is a British Legion a few hundred yards away.
The pub has the reputation of being rowdy, in all honesty the other pubs in the area have more trouble then here but that's just swept under the mat, people just don't give it a chance! Where will the locals go to socialise if this closes, guessing drink driving will be on the increase to get to a from other venues? With more parents at home and not out at the pub, will this increase the amount of youths on the streets causing a possible nuisance? The car park is not only used by parents doing he school runs but for local businesses too, ie the garage, will this result in more cars parked on the road, higher risk of an accident? I can see Blackfield soon turning into a Shirley High street, as small local business shut this will open the door to the likes of McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Subway, etc etc, no more community, just large national companies. Rant over!
If you can see Blackfield turning into a Shirley High Street, I suggest you nip along to Specsavers.
Why should you have to be the member of a club to enjoy a pint?
Why should somebody have to be selected by a comittee to have a pint?
Its another demonstration of the modern world taking greed over values!
Ferngully says...
11:48am Thu 8 Nov 12
With a Tesco only 100 yds away its a shame that more people in the village did not oppose Sainsburys plans.
The pub has been at the heart of the community for a very long time and will be missed over time, you dont realise what you have until you lose it.