Police probe commissioner candidate claims (From Daily Echo)

Just like when the population votes for a new government, in reality you are only voting in another bunch of thieves to rob you blind under their renamed scams and cons, if you think that voting for some corrupt police commissioner is going to make your lives any safer, you are as deluded as this pathetic government, wake up, this government no longer represents you, they simply want to control you.
Why at 78 , does he need to get a job, he probably has more than enough income to last the remaining years of his life, yet he feels to deprive others of a good job, anyway that needs to be the domain of someone with a sharp brain not a nappy filler.
Anyway why can't the Chief Constable do the job, after all, he does have a highly paid Assistant to help him, and he does know about policing (hopefully).
The PC poll is turning out to be the biggest electoral travesty ever. The government should have excluded all political parties from standing, carried out a complete CRB check on the candidates including their business and professional connections, and set a minimum threshold on turnout, so that 20% for example, would be judged an invalid outcome i.e. not quorate whereas 50% would.

Well I decided to vote the UKIP party guy anyway!

I think this shouldn't be a political contest anyway.

Whoever takes on the role should be free of political influence and do what they think is best for the people and the force in question.

I voted independent.

.. it's the sort of scam I'd expect.

After all, he is Asil Nadir's best mate in the Tory party.

Sovietobserver wrote:
Just like when the population votes for a new government, in reality you are only voting in another bunch of thieves to rob you blind under their renamed scams and cons, if you think that voting for some corrupt police commissioner is going to make your lives any safer, you are as deluded as this pathetic government, wake up, this government no longer represents you, they simply want to control you.
Why at 78 , does he need to get a job, he probably has more than enough income to last the remaining years of his life, yet he feels to deprive others of a good job, anyway that needs to be the domain of someone with a sharp brain not a nappy filler.
Anyway why can't the Chief Constable do the job, after all, he does have a highly paid Assistant to help him, and he does know about policing (hopefully).
The PC poll is turning out to be the biggest electoral travesty ever. The government should have excluded all political parties from standing, carried out a complete CRB check on the candidates including their business and professional connections, and set a minimum threshold on turnout, so that 20% for example, would be judged an invalid outcome i.e. not quorate whereas 50% would.

++++ set a minimum threshold on turnout, so that 20% for example, would be judged an invalid outcome i.e. not quorate whereas 50% would.++++.
You will be advocating this approach to all union votes as well ?

He is far too old for the job.

S Pance wrote:
I think this shouldn't be a political contest anyway.

Whoever takes on the role should be free of political influence and do what they think is best for the people and the force in question.

I voted independent.

That is not possible, every one is political even when they do not know it.

southy wrote:

S Pance wrote:
I think this shouldn't be a political contest anyway.

Whoever takes on the role should be free of political influence and do what they think is best for the people and the force in question.

I voted independent.

That is not possible, every one is political even when they do not know it.

Only Don Jerrard is not politically motivated. All the others are former councillors/MP for major parties. The JAC Party is an independent party basically for the purpose of the election.

Best way I think is a rule that no one can put there selfs up for jobs like this, if they belong to any political party and/or gives funds to a political party.

DavidBas wrote:

southy wrote:

S Pance wrote:
I think this shouldn't be a political contest anyway.

Whoever takes on the role should be free of political influence and do what they think is best for the people and the force in question.

I voted independent.

That is not possible, every one is political even when they do not know it.

Only Don Jerrard is not politically motivated. All the others are former councillors/MP for major parties. The JAC Party is an independent party basically for the purpose of the election.

And that makes them political motivated, its some thing you will not find any where in the world every one as some form or another on how things should be done.
All you can do is this and I quote myself here.

"Best way I think is a rule that no one can put there selfs up for jobs like this, if they belong to any political party and/or gives funds to a political party."

Ha ha ha, here we go! More s.hite hitting the fan.

Tory candidate tries to bypass the rules and gets outed by rivals. All as bad as each other in trying to score points.

AD1234 says...
9:06am Sat 10 Nov 12

Good luck, Mr West. UKIP is our only hope now, locally and nationally.

I can't believe anyone will take that poor old retired politician Mates seriously.

Torchie1 wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
Just like when the population votes for a new government, in reality you are only voting in another bunch of thieves to rob you blind under their renamed scams and cons, if you think that voting for some corrupt police commissioner is going to make your lives any safer, you are as deluded as this pathetic government, wake up, this government no longer represents you, they simply want to control you.
Why at 78 , does he need to get a job, he probably has more than enough income to last the remaining years of his life, yet he feels to deprive others of a good job, anyway that needs to be the domain of someone with a sharp brain not a nappy filler.
Anyway why can't the Chief Constable do the job, after all, he does have a highly paid Assistant to help him, and he does know about policing (hopefully).
The PC poll is turning out to be the biggest electoral travesty ever. The government should have excluded all political parties from standing, carried out a complete CRB check on the candidates including their business and professional connections, and set a minimum threshold on turnout, so that 20% for example, would be judged an invalid outcome i.e. not quorate whereas 50% would.

++++ set a minimum threshold on turnout, so that 20% for example, would be judged an invalid outcome i.e. not quorate whereas 50% would.++++.
You will be advocating this approach to all union votes as well ?

Or all Council votes! Sour grapes from a Tory supporter?

Sovietobserver wrote:
Just like when the population votes for a new government, in reality you are only voting in another bunch of thieves to rob you blind under their renamed scams and cons, if you think that voting for some corrupt police commissioner is going to make your lives any safer, you are as deluded as this pathetic government, wake up, this government no longer represents you, they simply want to control you.
Why at 78 , does he need to get a job, he probably has more than enough income to last the remaining years of his life, yet he feels to deprive others of a good job, anyway that needs to be the domain of someone with a sharp brain not a nappy filler.
Anyway why can't the Chief Constable do the job, after all, he does have a highly paid Assistant to help him, and he does know about policing (hopefully).
The PC poll is turning out to be the biggest electoral travesty ever. The government should have excluded all political parties from standing, carried out a complete CRB check on the candidates including their business and professional connections, and set a minimum threshold on turnout, so that 20% for example, would be judged an invalid outcome i.e. not quorate whereas 50% would.

More proof of these corrupt secret brotherhood society s having us the public over , covering for each other at all levels ! Jobs for the boys eh ! I realised a long time ago that in this country there is no democracy only bloody freemason democracy our systems riddled with it , and anyone that speaks out too much it shut up ! machiavelianism is there main tactic they are fxxxxxx experts at it !

Maine Lobster wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Sovietobserver wrote:
Just like when the population votes for a new government, in reality you are only voting in another bunch of thieves to rob you blind under their renamed scams and cons, if you think that voting for some corrupt police commissioner is going to make your lives any safer, you are as deluded as this pathetic government, wake up, this government no longer represents you, they simply want to control you.
Why at 78 , does he need to get a job, he probably has more than enough income to last the remaining years of his life, yet he feels to deprive others of a good job, anyway that needs to be the domain of someone with a sharp brain not a nappy filler.
Anyway why can't the Chief Constable do the job, after all, he does have a highly paid Assistant to help him, and he does know about policing (hopefully).
The PC poll is turning out to be the biggest electoral travesty ever. The government should have excluded all political parties from standing, carried out a complete CRB check on the candidates including their business and professional connections, and set a minimum threshold on turnout, so that 20% for example, would be judged an invalid outcome i.e. not quorate whereas 50% would.

++++ set a minimum threshold on turnout, so that 20% for example, would be judged an invalid outcome i.e. not quorate whereas 50% would.++++.
You will be advocating this approach to all union votes as well ?

Or all Council votes! Sour grapes from a Tory supporter?

I can understand your fear as the statistics demonstrate that 'Tory supporters' tend to make the effort to vote and the 'others' put their efforts in to moaning about the result.

Whenever I see Mr. Mates' name I am reminded of a brand of contraceptives. What a shame we cannot shield ourselves with just such an item from the horrors of this current Government and their plans. They go on about saving money and then create superfluous posts, whilst actually cutting the police out on the beat. Idiots the lot of them.

Mr. Mates was given his marching orders as an MP because of his links with the scheming, dishonest, thieving individual named Asil Nadir. Today we hear he's under investigation himself of alleged electoral fraud. So the Tories endorse someone for the position of crime commissioner who not only had business links with Nadir but called him a friend, a part of good judgment then.
If found guilty of electorial fraud, the full force of the law should come into play. I bet his powerful friends are working overtime this weekend.

wouldn't the 85.000 be better off being used direct by the police force instead of creating a post that can be done by the chief constable

Is that (photo) the 'don't let the b******s grind you down watch taken by plod - when the Nadir thing set off?

349 members of ACPO - England and Wales - can that be enough?

Well that's a good start!

Just the man for the job. He can claim some understanding of crime.

What is the Tories say 'Tough on Crime'. That is crime when you or I fall the wrong side of some petty rule, Tories it would appear are above suspicion and above the law.

Don Jerrard from the Justice and Anti-Corruption Party is a retired solicitor and partner of an international law firm and has lived in Greatham, near Liphook, for more than 20 years.

Politics in my opinion should never ever be involved with policing.

Dresnez wrote:
Well that's a good start!

Just the man for the job. He can claim some understanding of crime.

What is the Tories say 'Tough on Crime'. That is crime when you or I fall the wrong side of some petty rule, Tories it would appear are above suspicion and above the law.

Don Jerrard from the Justice and Anti-Corruption Party is a retired solicitor and partner of an international law firm and has lived in Greatham, near Liphook, for more than 20 years.

Politics in my opinion should never ever be involved with policing.

I am going to vote for Don because he has the credentials and is undoubtedly the best qualified applicant and the big bonus is that he is isn't affiliated to any political party.

We are really lucky to have such a well qualified and impartial candidate here in Hampshire. Further more he is not ex police.

I do not know the man personally, but what I have read about him has seriously impressed me, unusual these days I can tell you.

Is there a Police inspector standing for this post? Maybe an ex Police Officer?
I wouldn't vote for an independent who sees the only way to power is accusing another candidate of fraud? Mr Mates seemed to fight hard for Hampshire so why shouldn't he stand? Raynor is a proven liar ( Williams) so no way should stand UKIP maybe? but to be honest we need some one who has been in the Police Force in charge

Where Mates lives and his age are minor issues in his candidature for the new PCC role.

Much more important is his track record as an MP, in which he demonstrated a sorry lack of judgement and integrity.

Hampshire and IOW deserve much better.

Skipper38 is 100% correct, but if the facts of Mates' chequered maverick career didn't persuade the handful who turned out to nominate him as the Tory candidate then sadly technicalities have to be resorted to to try and protect us from this character getting his hands on even more taxpayers' money.

He told Radio Solent listeners yesterday that he needed £85K to pay his mortgage and support his family. But do take note that he has already claimed large sums as an MP over 36 years; he has at least three pensions already, but he does still have at least two large properties to maintain and a large extended family.

It was his choice to live the life of a rich grandee - I get the impression many taxpayers of all political persuasions are totally fed up of contributing to his excesses.

This may come to an end for him on Thu next, but sadly there are probably enough postal votes sent in already to give him the job.

Had his Westminster career been more distinguished it might be different, but he's hardly remembered for the right reasons.

The only other way is for him to be disqualified and that would sum up the way this otherwise good idea of C&PPs has been so apallingly brought into being.

loosehead wrote:
Is there a Police inspector standing for this post? Maybe an ex Police Officer?
I wouldn't vote for an independent who sees the only way to power is accusing another candidate of fraud? Mr Mates seemed to fight hard for Hampshire so why shouldn't he stand? Raynor is a proven liar ( Williams) so no way should stand UKIP maybe? but to be honest we need some one who has been in the Police Force in charge

UKIP's Stephen West was a Special Constable for 12 years, he is looking to be my choice at the moment.

Out of interest has anyone received this booklet regarding Candidates through the door yet? Everyone I speak to in our area hasn't received one.

I've had the vote by post notification and a leaflet from Labour, which went straight in the bin, but nothing else so far.

anyone voting for micheal mates is a fool,he never mentioned he,s expenses con,and i know people that know him well hope he gets casught and the thames valley find out he,s a west sussex resident,winchester maybe he,s second home but not residence

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Is there a Police inspector standing for this post? Maybe an ex Police Officer?
I wouldn't vote for an independent who sees the only way to power is accusing another candidate of fraud? Mr Mates seemed to fight hard for Hampshire so why shouldn't he stand? Raynor is a proven liar ( Williams) so no way should stand UKIP maybe? but to be honest we need some one who has been in the Police Force in charge

UKIP's Stephen West was a Special Constable for 12 years, he is looking to be my choice at the moment.

As this isn't about running our country or city I want to vote for a person with knowledge of the Police force.
So stephen West was a special? To all the Tory party I'm sorry but this time it's going to be a UKIP vote from me

Sovietobserver wrote:
Just like when the population votes for a new government, in reality you are only voting in another bunch of thieves to rob you blind under their renamed scams and cons, if you think that voting for some corrupt police commissioner is going to make your lives any safer, you are as deluded as this pathetic government, wake up, this government no longer represents you, they simply want to control you.
Why at 78 , does he need to get a job, he probably has more than enough income to last the remaining years of his life, yet he feels to deprive others of a good job, anyway that needs to be the domain of someone with a sharp brain not a nappy filler.
Anyway why can't the Chief Constable do the job, after all, he does have a highly paid Assistant to help him, and he does know about policing (hopefully).
The PC poll is turning out to be the biggest electoral travesty ever. The government should have excluded all political parties from standing, carried out a complete CRB check on the candidates including their business and professional connections, and set a minimum threshold on turnout, so that 20% for example, would be judged an invalid outcome i.e. not quorate whereas 50% would.

Is Ronnie Biggs up for election?.....he has the same credentials...Age.. Dodgy mates( Polypeck Guy) and there is always, the expenses scandle to fall back on. Not the obvious choice to be Police Commissioner.

At least 2 posters think the Chief Constable could be the Commissioner. Doh! The post involves making sure the Chief Constable does his job properly.
Please vote for anyone but Mates. Unfortunately the few votes which will be cast will be split, and the Tories are good at wheeling out the pensioners, so he could win....

AndyAndrews wrote:
At least 2 posters think the Chief Constable could be the Commissioner. Doh! The post involves making sure the Chief Constable does his job properly.
Please vote for anyone but Mates. Unfortunately the few votes which will be cast will be split, and the Tories are good at wheeling out the pensioners, so he could win....

Mr Mates is too old, although I got told off for saying this before.

But, to have such an elder person is not in the best interests.

My concern is, many people don't know what is going on, they know nothing about this election and have no info on the candidates as nothing has been distributed as is stated on all local Radio stations.

They will get a polling card, with Labour, Cons, Lib Dems and the rest and will probably just vote with the usual as the leaflet we should have received hasn't been delivered.

IronLady2010 wrote:
Out of interest has anyone received this booklet regarding Candidates through the door yet? Everyone I speak to in our area hasn't received one.

I've had the vote by post notification and a leaflet from Labour, which went straight in the bin, but nothing else so far.

Probably get one next Friday.

skin2000 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Out of interest has anyone received this booklet regarding Candidates through the door yet? Everyone I speak to in our area hasn't received one.

I've had the vote by post notification and a leaflet from Labour, which went straight in the bin, but nothing else so far.

Probably get one next Friday.

Have you had one?

IronLady2010 wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Out of interest has anyone received this booklet regarding Candidates through the door yet? Everyone I speak to in our area hasn't received one.

I've had the vote by post notification and a leaflet from Labour, which went straight in the bin, but nothing else so far.

Probably get one next Friday.

Have you had one?

Don't know anyone who has.

i had a leaflet about police commissioner.

AndyAndrews wrote:
At least 2 posters think the Chief Constable could be the Commissioner. Doh! The post involves making sure the Chief Constable does his job properly.
Please vote for anyone but Mates. Unfortunately the few votes which will be cast will be split, and the Tories are good at wheeling out the pensioners, so he could win....

I don't think the present Police chief constable should be the commissioner.
I do believe it should be an ex police officer some one who knows about the every day running of the police force.
After the total mess of the new Police headquarters buying a property not up to the job unless millions were spent on it & front desk's being shut to pay for it I( can't see how anyone can vote for Jacqui Rayment as she was on that board/panel.

Same old mistakes! 'I want someone from the police they know how it runs'. There are many problems with how the police are run now, not a lot of sense trying to make changes with someone steeped in failure. It needs someone with new eyes looking into new places on behalf of the public not the same old protectionist systems that we have. The establishment as necessary as it is needs grabbing by the scruff and shaking up.

loosehead wrote:

AndyAndrews wrote:
At least 2 posters think the Chief Constable could be the Commissioner. Doh! The post involves making sure the Chief Constable does his job properly.
Please vote for anyone but Mates. Unfortunately the few votes which will be cast will be split, and the Tories are good at wheeling out the pensioners, so he could win....

I don't think the present Police chief constable should be the commissioner.
I do believe it should be an ex police officer some one who knows about the every day running of the police force.
After the total mess of the new Police headquarters buying a property not up to the job unless millions were spent on it & front desk's being shut to pay for it I( can't see how anyone can vote for Jacqui Rayment as she was on that board/panel.

Loosehead You are a Tory, do you really think that Mr Mates is electable?

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

AndyAndrews wrote:
At least 2 posters think the Chief Constable could be the Commissioner. Doh! The post involves making sure the Chief Constable does his job properly.
Please vote for anyone but Mates. Unfortunately the few votes which will be cast will be split, and the Tories are good at wheeling out the pensioners, so he could win....

I don't think the present Police chief constable should be the commissioner.
I do believe it should be an ex police officer some one who knows about the every day running of the police force.
After the total mess of the new Police headquarters buying a property not up to the job unless millions were spent on it & front desk's being shut to pay for it I( can't see how anyone can vote for Jacqui Rayment as she was on that board/panel.

Loosehead You are a Tory, do you really think that Mr Mates is electable?

Skin did you read my posts?
I want a person who's walked the beat & seen it for themselves I personally don't think it should be about voting for your party but who would be best for the job.
I don't think after the truth coming out about Williams lies & Rayments part in them she should even be a candidate.Truthfully I don't Know enough about Mates but he never worked as a police officer so no I won't be voting for him.
I think I'll vote for UKIP's man

loosehead wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

AndyAndrews wrote:
At least 2 posters think the Chief Constable could be the Commissioner. Doh! The post involves making sure the Chief Constable does his job properly.
Please vote for anyone but Mates. Unfortunately the few votes which will be cast will be split, and the Tories are good at wheeling out the pensioners, so he could win....

I don't think the present Police chief constable should be the commissioner.
I do believe it should be an ex police officer some one who knows about the every day running of the police force.
After the total mess of the new Police headquarters buying a property not up to the job unless millions were spent on it & front desk's being shut to pay for it I( can't see how anyone can vote for Jacqui Rayment as she was on that board/panel.

Loosehead You are a Tory, do you really think that Mr Mates is electable?

Skin did you read my posts?
I want a person who's walked the beat & seen it for themselves I personally don't think it should be about voting for your party but who would be best for the job.
I don't think after the truth coming out about Williams lies & Rayments part in them she should even be a candidate.Truthfully I don't Know enough about Mates but he never worked as a police officer so no I won't be voting for him.
I think I'll vote for UKIP's man

I will take that as a no.