Labour is accused of "betraying" council staff

Daily Echo: Unions protest at council cuts last year Unions protest at council cuts last year

LABOUR is today accused of “betraying” council workers in Southampton as it unveils sweeping council cuts to jobs and services to tackle the city’s worst ever cash crisis.

Around 250 jobs are expected to be put at risk, the highest number in the history of the authority, when a draft budget is released later to plug a gaping budget hole.

Labour admitted there would be “significant staff reductions” but put the blame on the Government for imposing worse than expected funding cuts.

Staff will be given the grim news in a series of meetings this morning.

Union leaders have been shown a confidential copy of the budget and have been consulted on the cuts.

They will hold a mass meeting of members on Thursday to decide whether or not to take any industrial action.

Labour has already announced that 200 temporary workers at the council will lose their jobs in the coming years to free up potential roles for permanent staff facing redundancy.

Some long-serving temps will be offered full employment.

The spending plans will see swingeing cuts to the council’s adult care budget as wells as parks, open spaces and street cleaning.

It is expected that costs will be slashed across the city’s 14 Sure Start children’s centres and at least a dozen middle and senior managers in children’s services will be shown the door as part of a departmental shakeup.

Options under consideration also included a cull of 30 youth support workers with up to 11 centres offered to voluntary organisations to run.

City patrol officers and park wardens were also expected to be among the job casualties.

WEEKLY BIN COLLECTIONS UNDER THREAT

A failure to secure £8m from a Government recycling fund could see Labour axe weekly rubbish collections in the city with the loss of a dozen bin men jobs while charges could be brought in for green waste pick-ups.

PAY TO PARK OUTSIDE YOUIR HOME?

Residents could also be made to pay to park outside their own homes under a plan to charge £30 for first residents’ permits that a currently free.

Four years ago a joint Labour and Lib Dem administration approved the controversial policy to bring in charges for first residents’ permits during a twomonth spell in power, but it was overturned by Tories after the Daily Echo launched a campaign in support of outraged residents.

New evening charges for the city centre parking are also being planned to raise up to half a million a year while free parking at district centres could be scrapped and a 50p an hour charge brought in.

FEES COULD RISE?

Burial fees under review Elsewhere burial, cremation and rat catching fees are expected to go up by five per cent due to competition from the private sector.

Gypsies and travellers will also be charged more for water and electricity at the council’s Kanes Hill site.

OAP DISCOUNT COULD BE AXED AND COUNCIL TAX GOES UP?

A controversial ten per cent council tax discount for pensioners is also expected to be ditched while special constables may no longer receive a full council tax discount.

Labour is expected to reject a short-term Government offer of funding to help keep down council tax and put it up by two per cent, an average of almost £25 a year, to avoid a funding gap in future years.

An announcement of the budget plans was postponed last month to give council leaders a clearer picture of its finances and more time to prepare the cuts, hikes in charges and redundancies needed to plug a £26m deficit over the next financial year.

The budget gap is estimated to be £42m over the next two years.

Finance boss Councillor Simon Letts warned then that the council had already cut out the fat, paired the flesh down to the bone and was facing the prospect of “removing limbs”.

Tories said the Labour administration was in “chaos” and had no excuse for the “unprecedented” delay in letting staff know if they would be out of a job.

Conservative group leader Councillor Royston Smith said: “Labour promised staff there would no redundancies and they’ve betrayed hundreds who are going.

“And it’s betrayal to the public who they promised to deliver certain things and they’ve reneged on every single one of those commitments.”

Cllr Smith added: “We would have found alternative ways to fund the deficit, through outsourcing, continuing to share services and would not have restored pay (cuts) which was to protect 400 jobs.”

The restoration of pay cuts brought in last year by the Tories will add £650,000 to the council’s budget next year, rising to £2.2m when the full pay deal is implemented in two years.

Councillor Letts declined to discuss details of the budget ahead of meetings with staff today but last night said: “We have worked tirelessly to protect frontline services and drive out costs.

“By a process of negotiation we have achieved savings on the Capita (outsourcing) contract which this year will amount to close to four million pounds.

“We are a people-based organisation with many of our costs tied up in wages.

“It is with regret that the proposals today will mean significant staff reductions.

“The council will do all it can to find other opportunities for the affected staff.

We have a good record of keeping compulsory redundancies to a minimum and feel our new redeployment policy will help in this process.”

He added: “The Government needs to accept that reductions of this scale cannot continue without a profound and lasting impact on our society.”

Cllr Letts said the savings in the city from this year’s budget and the next amounted to £353 per household.

Unison branch secretary Mike Tucker said all the jobs at risk were a “direct consequence” of Tory policies in Southampton and Westminster.

He blamed the previous Conservative administration for running down the reserves and going on a “massive spending spree” of capital projects, such as the £15m Sea City Museum, which has saddled the council with hefty interest payment.

He said unions would work with the council to avert compulsory redundancies and would campaign to protect jobs and services.

“Council workers should not pay for a crisis we did not cause,” he said.

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8:15am Mon 12 Nov 12

Ferngully says...

Well, was else did you expect from a labour run council ??
Well, was else did you expect from a labour run council ?? Ferngully
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8:57am Mon 12 Nov 12

allison.luella says...

But neither should the Council tax Payer be burdened with these cuts, we pay to have our bins collected everyweek, and our green waste. The previous Tory administration were trying to clear up the mess the previous Labour regime had caused !! we pay enough in Council Tax, we shouldnt have to pay anymore!! its wrong!!
But neither should the Council tax Payer be burdened with these cuts, we pay to have our bins collected everyweek, and our green waste. The previous Tory administration were trying to clear up the mess the previous Labour regime had caused !! we pay enough in Council Tax, we shouldnt have to pay anymore!! its wrong!! allison.luella
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9:07am Mon 12 Nov 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

This is exactly what the Conservatives said would happen if Labour came in.

Why on earth do the unions put their faith in labour prospective councillors, when it should be obvious they are only saying what they want to hear to get elected?

Labour, as usual with unaffordable commitments, which end up costing real people jobs.

Staff would have been much better off with pay freezes and small reductions in order to protect more jobs. Surely after all, that is what a union is all about, everyone sticking up for each other.

It should not be about fighting any cuts at the cost of people's jobs.
This is exactly what the Conservatives said would happen if Labour came in. Why on earth do the unions put their faith in labour prospective councillors, when it should be obvious they are only saying what they want to hear to get elected? Labour, as usual with unaffordable commitments, which end up costing real people jobs. Staff would have been much better off with pay freezes and small reductions in order to protect more jobs. Surely after all, that is what a union is all about, everyone sticking up for each other. It should not be about fighting any cuts at the cost of people's jobs. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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9:16am Mon 12 Nov 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Efforts to get rid of the conservative council through strikes and resisting cost savings have cost real people their jobs.

People always have to remember that political idealists are too often ready to "throw the workers under bus" to achieve their aims.... ever ready to sacrifice livelihoods of individuals to achieve their political aims.

...people need to remember that left wing ideologies, labour and the unions cost people jobs: ignoring reality helps noone.

It is a tragedy that a hard line minority were allowed to set the political agnda.

All the workers who do not suppoprt strikes need to stand up to the hard liners next time, and vote them down!
Efforts to get rid of the conservative council through strikes and resisting cost savings have cost real people their jobs. People always have to remember that political idealists are too often ready to "throw the workers under bus" to achieve their aims.... ever ready to sacrifice livelihoods of individuals to achieve their political aims. ...people need to remember that left wing ideologies, labour and the unions cost people jobs: ignoring reality helps noone. It is a tragedy that a hard line minority were allowed to set the political agnda. All the workers who do not suppoprt strikes need to stand up to the hard liners next time, and vote them down! Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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9:53am Mon 12 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Labour won the election because they lied, but also they had hundreds of supports out on the street.
The Tories had far less supporters on the street, come on you Tories come and help in 2014 if you want this town run properly.
Labour won the election because they lied, but also they had hundreds of supports out on the street. The Tories had far less supporters on the street, come on you Tories come and help in 2014 if you want this town run properly. aldermoorboy
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10:02am Mon 12 Nov 12

The Wrinkled Retainer says...

You have to say that the two leading stories on the Echo website this morning show perfectly the blatant hypocrisy currently being displayed by councillors of all colours. On the one hand they are (quite rightly) berating Ford for making hundreds of people redundant while at the same time making hundreds of people redundant themselves.

Now where did we put that art collection again? They're only in it for the Monet.....
You have to say that the two leading stories on the Echo website this morning show perfectly the blatant hypocrisy currently being displayed by councillors of all colours. On the one hand they are (quite rightly) berating Ford for making hundreds of people redundant while at the same time making hundreds of people redundant themselves. Now where did we put that art collection again? They're only in it for the Monet..... The Wrinkled Retainer
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10:22am Mon 12 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Where will the axe fall, not on the Union leaders or the two new Labour cabinet posts.
Wake up workers vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors, not this disgraced Labour lot.
Where will the axe fall, not on the Union leaders or the two new Labour cabinet posts. Wake up workers vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors, not this disgraced Labour lot. aldermoorboy
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10:56am Mon 12 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Where will the axe fall, not on the Union leaders or the two new Labour cabinet posts.
Wake up workers vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors, not this disgraced Labour lot.
Honest Councillors.
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Sea Museum ....... Lied
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Spitfire Monument ...... Lied.
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Strangely the Tories...... Now what were you saying !!!!
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Where will the axe fall, not on the Union leaders or the two new Labour cabinet posts. Wake up workers vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors, not this disgraced Labour lot.[/p][/quote]Honest Councillors. . Sea Museum ....... Lied . Spitfire Monument ...... Lied. . Strangely the Tories...... Now what were you saying !!!! Lone Ranger.
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11:20am Mon 12 Nov 12

mr nobody says...

With all these cuts about to happen i still don't see the money crabbing labour Councillors giving back their pay rise they saw fit to give themselves when they took control in may , get rid of the 2 extra cabinet members their gave jobs to that there alone would save a few honest workers jobs . Then you could cut back on the Councillors themselves like Cllr letts says times are hard so why should people like Miss G Lambing from labour who is getting paid £11,000 a year plus what else she claims and for this she do nothing most of time she is away doing courses in something else , so why did she become a Councillor she really has no interest in what is happening at all . she just wants our money to pay for her courses ,she should step down right away and let somebody who really cares and will put the work in have the job we are paying her wages so we should have a say if we think somebody is not doing their job correctly or doing any thing they promised but then LABOUR ARE LIERS . Believe its time the people of the city all came together and stood up for ourselves we are being ripped off by theses lies everyday it has to stop .
With all these cuts about to happen i still don't see the money crabbing labour Councillors giving back their pay rise they saw fit to give themselves when they took control in may , get rid of the 2 extra cabinet members their gave jobs to that there alone would save a few honest workers jobs . Then you could cut back on the Councillors themselves like Cllr letts says times are hard so why should people like Miss G Lambing from labour who is getting paid £11,000 a year plus what else she claims and for this she do nothing most of time she is away doing courses in something else , so why did she become a Councillor she really has no interest in what is happening at all . she just wants our money to pay for her courses ,she should step down right away and let somebody who really cares and will put the work in have the job we are paying her wages so we should have a say if we think somebody is not doing their job correctly or doing any thing they promised but then LABOUR ARE LIERS . Believe its time the people of the city all came together and stood up for ourselves we are being ripped off by theses lies everyday it has to stop . mr nobody
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11:40am Mon 12 Nov 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

"mr nobody.
11:20am Mon 12 Nov 12
With all these cuts about to happen i still don't see the money crabbing labour Councillors giving back their pay rise they saw fit to give themselves when they took control in may , get rid of the 2 extra cabinet members their gave jobs to"

I wish you were joking! That is awful, I had no idea they voted themselves a pay rise - that seems disgraceful to me in the circumstances!
"mr nobody. 11:20am Mon 12 Nov 12 With all these cuts about to happen i still don't see the money crabbing labour Councillors giving back their pay rise they saw fit to give themselves when they took control in may , get rid of the 2 extra cabinet members their gave jobs to" I wish you were joking! That is awful, I had no idea they voted themselves a pay rise - that seems disgraceful to me in the circumstances! Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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11:48am Mon 12 Nov 12

allison.luella says...

i was one who voted Conservatives!!.
Is anyone going to admit to voting Labour?

Now Labour are in we ALL have to suffer the consequences!!

Thank you to all those who voted Labour!!
i was one who voted Conservatives!!. Is anyone going to admit to voting Labour? Now Labour are in we ALL have to suffer the consequences!! Thank you to all those who voted Labour!! allison.luella
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12:01pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

mr nobody wrote:
With all these cuts about to happen i still don't see the money crabbing labour Councillors giving back their pay rise they saw fit to give themselves when they took control in may , get rid of the 2 extra cabinet members their gave jobs to that there alone would save a few honest workers jobs . Then you could cut back on the Councillors themselves like Cllr letts says times are hard so why should people like Miss G Lambing from labour who is getting paid £11,000 a year plus what else she claims and for this she do nothing most of time she is away doing courses in something else , so why did she become a Councillor she really has no interest in what is happening at all . she just wants our money to pay for her courses ,she should step down right away and let somebody who really cares and will put the work in have the job we are paying her wages so we should have a say if we think somebody is not doing their job correctly or doing any thing they promised but then LABOUR ARE LIERS . Believe its time the people of the city all came together and stood up for ourselves we are being ripped off by theses lies everyday it has to stop .
Nope ..... cant find anything about councillors giving themselves a pay rise when they took back control in May.
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[quote][p][bold]mr nobody[/bold] wrote: With all these cuts about to happen i still don't see the money crabbing labour Councillors giving back their pay rise they saw fit to give themselves when they took control in may , get rid of the 2 extra cabinet members their gave jobs to that there alone would save a few honest workers jobs . Then you could cut back on the Councillors themselves like Cllr letts says times are hard so why should people like Miss G Lambing from labour who is getting paid £11,000 a year plus what else she claims and for this she do nothing most of time she is away doing courses in something else , so why did she become a Councillor she really has no interest in what is happening at all . she just wants our money to pay for her courses ,she should step down right away and let somebody who really cares and will put the work in have the job we are paying her wages so we should have a say if we think somebody is not doing their job correctly or doing any thing they promised but then LABOUR ARE LIERS . Believe its time the people of the city all came together and stood up for ourselves we are being ripped off by theses lies everyday it has to stop .[/p][/quote]Nope ..... cant find anything about councillors giving themselves a pay rise when they took back control in May. . Lone Ranger.
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12:04pm Mon 12 Nov 12

The Grinch says...

Unfortunately there is a greater problem that has sat behind all of this for quite some time.

The Council is an archaic organisation and needs to modernise in order to perform effectively in today's world. There are a huge number of very well paid staff, relative to what they do, that remain employed by the Council.

I left the Council in 2011 following a salary pay cut and freeze imposed within 12 months of joining. I, amongst doubtless many others, was the 'new blood' with fresh business aptitude that the Council required to bring it up to date. Unfortunately the pay cut was a step too far for many of the 'new' workers and they have left. Countless numbers of overpaid, existing dinosaurs could quite easily weather the storm of a cut and a freeze and remain in place. So, the Council also remains archaic and can't compete. Net result? More redundancies. More cuts required.

The answer was, in some way, to indentify more specifically over a calculated period of time, what jobs to get rid of and which people needed to be retained to modernise the organisation. Unless, and until, this is done the Council will continue to struggle and will not move forward. More redundancies will come whilst Unions strive to preserve salaries and terms that already exist for, in a number of cases, the very staff that will not modernise the Council.

With less money to go round the Council has little option than to save money. Where and how it saves the money however is a difficult problem.

By restricting budgets the Government is trying to force the Council's hand to modernise. However, the Council is not getting it right - and is probably not helped by a short sighted Union view.

The business model is a poor one. More and more services have been outsourced over the years and this will likely continue. Ultimately this will force the loss of jobs within the Council. The better answer however would have been a more intelligent remodelling of the Council itself, enabling it to provide those services successfully and equitably out of public funding. A situation we all want.

Nobody wants private enterprises running public services because it always costs more (profit angle) and control is lost and service becomes poorer.

The Council is an expensive, archaic organisation. It will remain so until somebody properly grasps the nettle and makes tough decisions. No political party, whoever it is, will ever do this and so, slowly and gradually, cuts, job losses and service reductions will continue to emerge at frequent intervals.

Just my view of what I saw and observed when I was there. It's a reality that people need to face up to.
Unfortunately there is a greater problem that has sat behind all of this for quite some time. The Council is an archaic organisation and needs to modernise in order to perform effectively in today's world. There are a huge number of very well paid staff, relative to what they do, that remain employed by the Council. I left the Council in 2011 following a salary pay cut and freeze imposed within 12 months of joining. I, amongst doubtless many others, was the 'new blood' with fresh business aptitude that the Council required to bring it up to date. Unfortunately the pay cut was a step too far for many of the 'new' workers and they have left. Countless numbers of overpaid, existing dinosaurs could quite easily weather the storm of a cut and a freeze and remain in place. So, the Council also remains archaic and can't compete. Net result? More redundancies. More cuts required. The answer was, in some way, to indentify more specifically over a calculated period of time, what jobs to get rid of and which people needed to be retained to modernise the organisation. Unless, and until, this is done the Council will continue to struggle and will not move forward. More redundancies will come whilst Unions strive to preserve salaries and terms that already exist for, in a number of cases, the very staff that will not modernise the Council. With less money to go round the Council has little option than to save money. Where and how it saves the money however is a difficult problem. By restricting budgets the Government is trying to force the Council's hand to modernise. However, the Council is not getting it right - and is probably not helped by a short sighted Union view. The business model is a poor one. More and more services have been outsourced over the years and this will likely continue. Ultimately this will force the loss of jobs within the Council. The better answer however would have been a more intelligent remodelling of the Council itself, enabling it to provide those services successfully and equitably out of public funding. A situation we all want. Nobody wants private enterprises running public services because it always costs more (profit angle) and control is lost and service becomes poorer. The Council is an expensive, archaic organisation. It will remain so until somebody properly grasps the nettle and makes tough decisions. No political party, whoever it is, will ever do this and so, slowly and gradually, cuts, job losses and service reductions will continue to emerge at frequent intervals. Just my view of what I saw and observed when I was there. It's a reality that people need to face up to. The Grinch
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12:38pm Mon 12 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Councillor Williams said we will cut 1,500 jobs. We will have fortnightly bin collections.
Then he said The Echo Mis Quoted me & that won't happen?
Now he's blaming National Government & making those cuts in services that if he had been honest about we wouldn't have had Industrial action as a small cut in pay but keeping your job is far better than no job.
If he had told the truth would he be elected?
The Tories warned of this they also told people it was still part of Labours manifesto to charge to park.
How on earth can they sink £50million of our money into buying back Association homes when these are filled with council tenants anyway?
Many Left Wingers come on here & berate the Tories but By God they did a far better job of it than this Labour council.
Mike Tucker, Ian woodland you should have made a deal with the Tories as by God DON'T YOU look silly now?
Councillor Williams said we will cut 1,500 jobs. We will have fortnightly bin collections. Then he said The Echo Mis Quoted me & that won't happen? Now he's blaming National Government & making those cuts in services that if he had been honest about we wouldn't have had Industrial action as a small cut in pay but keeping your job is far better than no job. If he had told the truth would he be elected? The Tories warned of this they also told people it was still part of Labours manifesto to charge to park. How on earth can they sink £50million of our money into buying back Association homes when these are filled with council tenants anyway? Many Left Wingers come on here & berate the Tories but By God they did a far better job of it than this Labour council. Mike Tucker, Ian woodland you should have made a deal with the Tories as by God DON'T YOU look silly now? loosehead
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1:46pm Mon 12 Nov 12

On the inside says...

allison.luella wrote:
But neither should the Council tax Payer be burdened with these cuts, we pay to have our bins collected everyweek, and our green waste. The previous Tory administration were trying to clear up the mess the previous Labour regime had caused !! we pay enough in Council Tax, we shouldnt have to pay anymore!! its wrong!!
It's freeloaders like you who don't want to pay their way that are the problem.
[quote][p][bold]allison.luella[/bold] wrote: But neither should the Council tax Payer be burdened with these cuts, we pay to have our bins collected everyweek, and our green waste. The previous Tory administration were trying to clear up the mess the previous Labour regime had caused !! we pay enough in Council Tax, we shouldnt have to pay anymore!! its wrong!![/p][/quote]It's freeloaders like you who don't want to pay their way that are the problem. On the inside
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2:19pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Torchie1 says...

On the inside wrote:
allison.luella wrote:
But neither should the Council tax Payer be burdened with these cuts, we pay to have our bins collected everyweek, and our green waste. The previous Tory administration were trying to clear up the mess the previous Labour regime had caused !! we pay enough in Council Tax, we shouldnt have to pay anymore!! its wrong!!
It's freeloaders like you who don't want to pay their way that are the problem.
I think the problem is more to do with council workers seeing the tax payers as a provider of a feather bedded refuge to pass their working years in.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allison.luella[/bold] wrote: But neither should the Council tax Payer be burdened with these cuts, we pay to have our bins collected everyweek, and our green waste. The previous Tory administration were trying to clear up the mess the previous Labour regime had caused !! we pay enough in Council Tax, we shouldnt have to pay anymore!! its wrong!![/p][/quote]It's freeloaders like you who don't want to pay their way that are the problem.[/p][/quote]I think the problem is more to do with council workers seeing the tax payers as a provider of a feather bedded refuge to pass their working years in. Torchie1
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2:51pm Mon 12 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

Whatever the right and wrongs, like the Ford Workers, there are lots of good people who's lives have been upskittled big time.

Funny how the senior managers always escape such cuts!
Whatever the right and wrongs, like the Ford Workers, there are lots of good people who's lives have been upskittled big time. Funny how the senior managers always escape such cuts! nedscrumpo
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2:54pm Mon 12 Nov 12

4-front says...

From what I can gather, the majority employer of people delivering "Council" services in the City is Capita (as advertised at the City boundaries!). Being private sector you won't be able to obtain specific numbers of jobs within the City boundary since Capita works across local authority boundaries.

The rest are direct employees increasingly vulnerable to cuts regrettably!

It would be interesting to know (ECHO) whether any Directors who departed with large lump sum payments have returned to City Council employment and whether they have returned their lump sums c£450K ?

Still worth mentioning the £7 million Councillor expenses per year across Hampshire@s 15 local authorities including a profligate County Council! Cost it out (fag packet calc.) at say £1 million per council for CEO and Directors and £2 million for administration support per council for elected members and committees/council meetings. THEN think of the savings that could be made in services and jobs if we, the public could make do with 4 unitary authorities for the whole of Hampshire?

BUT will this or any other Government bite the bullet or will local authorities amalgamate of their own accord? I rather think not! There is a solution for all this bickering but it certainly ain't palatable to our hard working, hot air generating, ineffectual councillors!

Hey, ho!
From what I can gather, the majority employer of people delivering "Council" services in the City is Capita (as advertised at the City boundaries!). Being private sector you won't be able to obtain specific numbers of jobs within the City boundary since Capita works across local authority boundaries. The rest are direct employees increasingly vulnerable to cuts regrettably! It would be interesting to know (ECHO) whether any Directors who departed with large lump sum payments have returned to City Council employment and whether they have returned their lump sums c£450K ? Still worth mentioning the £7 million Councillor expenses per year across Hampshire@s 15 local authorities including a profligate County Council! Cost it out (fag packet calc.) at say £1 million per council for CEO and Directors and £2 million for administration support per council for elected members and committees/council meetings. THEN think of the savings that could be made in services and jobs if we, the public could make do with 4 unitary authorities for the whole of Hampshire? BUT will this or any other Government bite the bullet or will local authorities amalgamate of their own accord? I rather think not! There is a solution for all this bickering but it certainly ain't palatable to our hard working, hot air generating, ineffectual councillors! Hey, ho! 4-front
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3:01pm Mon 12 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Lone Ranger

Name the Tory councillors who lied, give the facts and I look forward to seeing you in court.
Make my day.
Lone Ranger Name the Tory councillors who lied, give the facts and I look forward to seeing you in court. Make my day. aldermoorboy
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3:33pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger

Name the Tory councillors who lied, give the facts and I look forward to seeing you in court.
Make my day.
Yes you obviously wont accept my version of how there were six finalists ... but a Cllr announced the winner and he was number 7 on the list.
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Yes thats right 6 finalists.
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Thats right number 7 won it.
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Just google ... Jon cuthill spitfire monument southampton.
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But there again you wont because you couldnt cope with it to think that your dearly beloved Blues are not as squeaky as you like to think they are
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger Name the Tory councillors who lied, give the facts and I look forward to seeing you in court. Make my day.[/p][/quote]Yes you obviously wont accept my version of how there were six finalists ... but a Cllr announced the winner and he was number 7 on the list. . Yes thats right 6 finalists. . Thats right number 7 won it. . Just google ... Jon cuthill spitfire monument southampton. . But there again you wont because you couldnt cope with it to think that your dearly beloved Blues are not as squeaky as you like to think they are Lone Ranger.
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4:06pm Mon 12 Nov 12

4-front says...

Do we really need the hundreds of councillors we have across the County? Can they really justify their existence? Eastleigh, next door, have added a whole load of extra parish councils with expenses paid parish councillors and paid parish clerks to generate even more hot air .... although they have an important job to do observing street lighting, tending the odd cemetery and waffling on about planning applications that will be dealth with by the main Council Planning Committee anyway!

Why not have some parish councils in the City as well?!
Do we really need the hundreds of councillors we have across the County? Can they really justify their existence? Eastleigh, next door, have added a whole load of extra parish councils with expenses paid parish councillors and paid parish clerks to generate even more hot air .... although they have an important job to do observing street lighting, tending the odd cemetery and waffling on about planning applications that will be dealth with by the main Council Planning Committee anyway! Why not have some parish councils in the City as well?! 4-front
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4:12pm Mon 12 Nov 12

loosehead says...

On the inside wrote:
allison.luella wrote:
But neither should the Council tax Payer be burdened with these cuts, we pay to have our bins collected everyweek, and our green waste. The previous Tory administration were trying to clear up the mess the previous Labour regime had caused !! we pay enough in Council Tax, we shouldnt have to pay anymore!! its wrong!!
It's freeloaders like you who don't want to pay their way that are the problem.
Freeloaders? We have no children ( never had) we only need our bins emptied once a month as we recycle.
We have always paid our taxes we get nothing for free from the state so please tell me why I should pay more for less?
Why should I pay more council tax?
When two cabinet posts have been invented to give jobs for the boys(girls)?
I have nothing to do with Alison but sorry what right have you to say this about her?
Refuse Workers were conned by their Unions to go on strike.
They had security of a weekly collection but were promised big pay offs in court plus job security with restoration of pay This has been proven to be an absolute lie by Labour & the Unions so why not attack them?
Why expect us the tax payers to fund the Labour false promises?
Blame the real culprits Williams & Labour with the help of Unite & Unison
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allison.luella[/bold] wrote: But neither should the Council tax Payer be burdened with these cuts, we pay to have our bins collected everyweek, and our green waste. The previous Tory administration were trying to clear up the mess the previous Labour regime had caused !! we pay enough in Council Tax, we shouldnt have to pay anymore!! its wrong!![/p][/quote]It's freeloaders like you who don't want to pay their way that are the problem.[/p][/quote]Freeloaders? We have no children ( never had) we only need our bins emptied once a month as we recycle. We have always paid our taxes we get nothing for free from the state so please tell me why I should pay more for less? Why should I pay more council tax? When two cabinet posts have been invented to give jobs for the boys(girls)? I have nothing to do with Alison but sorry what right have you to say this about her? Refuse Workers were conned by their Unions to go on strike. They had security of a weekly collection but were promised big pay offs in court plus job security with restoration of pay This has been proven to be an absolute lie by Labour & the Unions so why not attack them? Why expect us the tax payers to fund the Labour false promises? Blame the real culprits Williams & Labour with the help of Unite & Unison loosehead
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4:52pm Mon 12 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger

Name the Tory councillors who lied, give the facts and I look forward to seeing you in court.
Make my day.
Yes you obviously wont accept my version of how there were six finalists ... but a Cllr announced the winner and he was number 7 on the list.
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Yes thats right 6 finalists.
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Thats right number 7 won it.
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Just google ... Jon cuthill spitfire monument southampton.
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But there again you wont because you couldnt cope with it to think that your dearly beloved Blues are not as squeaky as you like to think they are
So you're saying it was fixed?
Can you prove it?
I would have preferred a Huge model of a spitfire on top of a massive pillar with lifts up to it with a restaurant with views across the port but I didn't get it! If you can prove any of your accusations name the liars & prove it in court?
You have stated our money was used on Sea City museum & you've had councillors saying it wasn't you say they're wrong? now your saying the selection for the spitfire was rigged so come on put your money where your mouth is & name name's?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger Name the Tory councillors who lied, give the facts and I look forward to seeing you in court. Make my day.[/p][/quote]Yes you obviously wont accept my version of how there were six finalists ... but a Cllr announced the winner and he was number 7 on the list. . Yes thats right 6 finalists. . Thats right number 7 won it. . Just google ... Jon cuthill spitfire monument southampton. . But there again you wont because you couldnt cope with it to think that your dearly beloved Blues are not as squeaky as you like to think they are[/p][/quote]So you're saying it was fixed? Can you prove it? I would have preferred a Huge model of a spitfire on top of a massive pillar with lifts up to it with a restaurant with views across the port but I didn't get it! If you can prove any of your accusations name the liars & prove it in court? You have stated our money was used on Sea City museum & you've had councillors saying it wasn't you say they're wrong? now your saying the selection for the spitfire was rigged so come on put your money where your mouth is & name name's? loosehead
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6:50pm Mon 12 Nov 12

cantthinkofone says...

allison.luella wrote:
i was one who voted Conservatives!!.
Is anyone going to admit to voting Labour?

Now Labour are in we ALL have to suffer the consequences!!

Thank you to all those who voted Labour!!
Oh come on, don't be so silly.

You can't get a cigarette paper between the two parties these days. Labour have adopted your free-market neo-liberal agenda wholeheartedly. Things would be no better under the blue tories than the red tories (or the yellow tories for that matter).

The idea of democratic choice is (now more than ever) an illusion maintained solely to pacify the masses and give the political class a way of entertaining themselves.
[quote][p][bold]allison.luella[/bold] wrote: i was one who voted Conservatives!!. Is anyone going to admit to voting Labour? Now Labour are in we ALL have to suffer the consequences!! Thank you to all those who voted Labour!![/p][/quote]Oh come on, don't be so silly. You can't get a cigarette paper between the two parties these days. Labour have adopted your free-market neo-liberal agenda wholeheartedly. Things would be no better under the blue tories than the red tories (or the yellow tories for that matter). The idea of democratic choice is (now more than ever) an illusion maintained solely to pacify the masses and give the political class a way of entertaining themselves. cantthinkofone
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9:08pm Mon 12 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Saw the BBC evening local news Letts looked so embarrassed to have to lie like he was it was unbelievable.
before the local elections the local Labour party knew what the cut in government funding was going to be so why say they've hit this council what you didn't realise what they were saying meant Southampton City Council?
He then said it was only under this Government? Lie, Labour withdrew £25million from this city's funding to give it to the North to win votes.
They've promised the Earth realised the real level they would have needed to raise council tax to & know they couldn't do it as they would face penalties.
So they cut services & jobs & blame the coalition?
How many jobs could/would be saved if the restoration of pay never took place?
How many jobs could be saved if the two extra cabinet posts hadn't been invented?
the £50million extra for Townhill could it have been used to fund the services?
NO matter how they put it they've lied to the public, the council workers & if they didn't know the Unions but after seeing Andy Straker on telly toeing the same line as Letts it seems the Unions knew exactly what Labour was up to which means the Unions have lied to their members
Saw the BBC evening local news Letts looked so embarrassed to have to lie like he was it was unbelievable. before the local elections the local Labour party knew what the cut in government funding was going to be so why say they've hit this council what you didn't realise what they were saying meant Southampton City Council? He then said it was only under this Government? Lie, Labour withdrew £25million from this city's funding to give it to the North to win votes. They've promised the Earth realised the real level they would have needed to raise council tax to & know they couldn't do it as they would face penalties. So they cut services & jobs & blame the coalition? How many jobs could/would be saved if the restoration of pay never took place? How many jobs could be saved if the two extra cabinet posts hadn't been invented? the £50million extra for Townhill could it have been used to fund the services? NO matter how they put it they've lied to the public, the council workers & if they didn't know the Unions but after seeing Andy Straker on telly toeing the same line as Letts it seems the Unions knew exactly what Labour was up to which means the Unions have lied to their members loosehead
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