300 city council jobs cut confirmed (From Daily Echo)

sarfhamton wrote:
Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

MGRA wrote:
forget the spin. SCC wastes money on a stupendous scale. they could easily pair back the waste and halt the job losses but its labour remember.... waste is their middle name. As for the southampton MPs, they are fools.. I am not a tory or lib dem voter but happen to think the coalition is correct about cutting the defecit. We as a nation can not spend money we do have any longer. The risks are too great and the alternatives to stark. When interest rates start rising again as they will within 18 months, nations will lower debt will obviously be best placed to build a strong economy.

Jess1988 wrote:
In response to CB FRY LIVES ''We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.'' Shame on Labour for getting us in this mess in the first place under Blair and Brown!! Under the Conservatives some workers would have had less pay but would have had a job. Now hundreds are facing the axe. My dad and my brother both work for the council. My brother has worked for them as a temp for 4 years. He faces losing his job soon. My dad has been there for 19 years but his job is not secure either. If the conservatives had been voted in again the higher earners would have had slightly less money but hundreds would at least have a job. So shame on them for being so greedy and only thinking of themselves. And shame on the labour run council for continuing to spend money on the new Arts Complex while making hundreds of hard workers jobless.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Ford Prefect. Here are a few examples of saving money. 1/. Link up with the IOW as the Tories did. Savings were big, Williams cancelled it. 2/. Williams spent around £10k on a pointless report into cameras in Southampton, the report appears to be worthless. 3/. Labour gave themselves £22,000 on extra cabinet positions. 4/. We pay the wages of Union leaders at Southampton council, the Unions should pay this. I am sure there are many more examples. Vote Tory in 2014 for an honest and caring council.

IronLady2010 wrote:
I think it's fair to say these cuts were coming regardless of who is in control The reason people are angry is not so much the cuts, but Labours Manifesto which got them into power in the first place. After taking over they came up with the excuse, that they had no idea the books were this bad. What did they base their figures on if they had no idea? Then they created two new jobs. You can understand why people are angry.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Ford Prefect.

Here are a few examples of saving money.
1/. Link up with the IOW as the Tories did. Savings were big, Williams cancelled it.
2/. Williams spent around £10k on a pointless report into cameras in Southampton, the report appears to be worthless.
3/. Labour gave themselves £22,000 on extra cabinet positions.
4/. We pay the wages of Union leaders at Southampton council, the Unions should pay this.
I am sure there are many more examples.
Vote Tory in 2014 for an honest and caring council.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.

thinklikealocal wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.

The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.

The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.

You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.

The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.

You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)

It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.

aldermoorboy wrote:
If I as an ordinary council tax payer can show savings of £100,000 + in minutes, I wonder what an expert could save.
In my view that expert would not be a Labour councillor.

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.

The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.

You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)

It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.

I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x

skin2000 wrote:
I think some of Southampton's Art might be up for sale pretty soon.

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.

The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.

You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)

It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.

I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x

Yes exactly, they have put a bid in but not got a response. I expect they are all busy in Parliament debating why 3 major international companies only paid tax of £8m on turnover of £3b in the UK last year. Anyway, lets not waste time with that, lets work out what services to the young and old we can cut cos there's not enough in the UK's coffers.......

aldermoorboy wrote:
If I as an ordinary council tax payer can show savings of £100,000 + in minutes, I wonder what an expert could save. In my view that expert would not be a Labour councillor.

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.

The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.

You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)

It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.

I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x

Yes exactly, they have put a bid in but not got a response. I expect they are all busy in Parliament debating why 3 major international companies only paid tax of £8m on turnover of £3b in the UK last year. Anyway, lets not waste time with that, lets work out what services to the young and old we can cut cos there's not enough in the UK's coffers.......

At least the Government are looking into this tax avoidance, let's hope they can find a solution for these loopholes without driving away big companies and causing more job losses.

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.

The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.

You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)

It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.

I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x

Yes exactly, they have put a bid in but not got a response. I expect they are all busy in Parliament debating why 3 major international companies only paid tax of £8m on turnover of £3b in the UK last year. Anyway, lets not waste time with that, lets work out what services to the young and old we can cut cos there's not enough in the UK's coffers.......

At least the Government are looking into this tax avoidance, let's hope they can find a solution for these loopholes without driving away big companies and causing more job losses.

By driving them away do you mean not trading in this country? Not a good business tactic....

THE BRICK wrote:
It appears that the vast majority of the posters just do not have a clue what is really happening do you?? Even if someone told you, you would still run home and switch on your TV soaps and buy your bags of frozen cut cabbage from Iceland. The real villains are the elite, the banksters and their puppets, the politicians, notice I make no differentiation here between any of the three main parties, they all dance to the same tune played by the same masters, or had that avoided your gaze.
Pickles is particular nasty piece of work, I am sure he serves the real leader of the tory party well, the real leader being OsUnborne, freemason and member of the Bilderberg group, friends of the Rothschilds.......(C

ameron is only the front man) So you see, the real agenda is to remove the public services, collapse the economy and put the whole country in poverty.....except for the top 1% of course, the ones with the off shore accounts, bloated with trillions of pounds of our money.......Wake up, all of you before its too late. Yes.... call me a conspiracy crank, but you could also do your own research and come up with the same answers and conclusions if you really wanted to jump down the rabbit hole and stopped buying the frozen bags of cut cabbage.

DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!

THE BRICK wrote:
It appears that the vast majority of the posters just do not have a clue what is really happening do you?? Even if someone told you, you would still run home and switch on your TV soaps and buy your bags of frozen cut cabbage from Iceland. The real villains are the elite, the banksters and their puppets, the politicians, notice I make no differentiation here between any of the three main parties, they all dance to the same tune played by the same masters, or had that avoided your gaze.
Pickles is particular nasty piece of work, I am sure he serves the real leader of the tory party well, the real leader being OsUnborne, freemason and member of the Bilderberg group, friends of the Rothschilds.......(C

ameron is only the front man) So you see, the real agenda is to remove the public services, collapse the economy and put the whole country in poverty.....except for the top 1% of course, the ones with the off shore accounts, bloated with trillions of pounds of our money.......Wake up, all of you before its too late. Yes.... call me a conspiracy crank, but you could also do your own research and come up with the same answers and conclusions if you really wanted to jump down the rabbit hole and stopped buying the frozen bags of cut cabbage.

DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!

Nick Chaffey wrote:
No one in Southampton should accept these cuts. The cuts will hit all of us. Let's have the courage to stand together and fight for the city to protect the jobs and services we pay for. The ConDem austerity agenda is failing and is deeply unpopular. Opposition to the cuts is growing. If Labour don't like what they are being asked to do, then don't do it, refuse to implement the ConDem cuts. Coxford rebel councillors have received huge support for the stand they have taken from Coxford the wider community and the local trade unions. The city council has £70 million in reserves, use this money to protect jobs and services and build a mass campaign across the city to force the government to fully fund the services this city needs.

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

THE BRICK wrote:
It appears that the vast majority of the posters just do not have a clue what is really happening do you?? Even if someone told you, you would still run home and switch on your TV soaps and buy your bags of frozen cut cabbage from Iceland. The real villains are the elite, the banksters and their puppets, the politicians, notice I make no differentiation here between any of the three main parties, they all dance to the same tune played by the same masters, or had that avoided your gaze.
Pickles is particular nasty piece of work, I am sure he serves the real leader of the tory party well, the real leader being OsUnborne, freemason and member of the Bilderberg group, friends of the Rothschilds.......(C


ameron is only the front man) So you see, the real agenda is to remove the public services, collapse the economy and put the whole country in poverty.....except for the top 1% of course, the ones with the off shore accounts, bloated with trillions of pounds of our money.......Wake up, all of you before its too late. Yes.... call me a conspiracy crank, but you could also do your own research and come up with the same answers and conclusions if you really wanted to jump down the rabbit hole and stopped buying the frozen bags of cut cabbage.

At least one person in this rapidly collapsing city is awake ,most are too lazy to find out the truth and continue the inter party bun fight , just ask them who owns the bank of england ,they hav,nt got a clue.

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.

gillyman wrote:

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.

such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work

IronLady2010 wrote:

gillyman wrote:

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.

such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work

In fairness, this would have happened regardless who was running the Council, we all knew that, well apart from Labour who had to study the books for months to work it out.

I do feel these cuts are hitting too hard right now from Central Government. It's one thing trying to soften us up with taking on 3 major Companies over Tax, but hitting the elderly, disabled and children, is not what any of us want.

Maine Lobster wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

gillyman wrote:

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.

such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work

In fairness, this would have happened regardless who was running the Council, we all knew that, well apart from Labour who had to study the books for months to work it out.

I do feel these cuts are hitting too hard right now from Central Government. It's one thing trying to soften us up with taking on 3 major Companies over Tax, but hitting the elderly, disabled and children, is not what any of us want.

I have to agree with you, any Council would have the same budget problem. At least you acknowledge that unlike some of the otherTory posters who just want to bleat on.
Having said that, the Labour group had to study the books to believe how mich Royston Smith had spent on fancy projects and how much he had borrowed to fund some of it!

IronLady2010 wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

gillyman wrote:

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.

such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work

In fairness, this would have happened regardless who was running the Council, we all knew that, well apart from Labour who had to study the books for months to work it out.

I do feel these cuts are hitting too hard right now from Central Government. It's one thing trying to soften us up with taking on 3 major Companies over Tax, but hitting the elderly, disabled and children, is not what any of us want.

I have to agree with you, any Council would have the same budget problem. At least you acknowledge that unlike some of the otherTory posters who just want to bleat on.
Having said that, the Labour group had to study the books to believe how mich Royston Smith had spent on fancy projects and how much he had borrowed to fund some of it!

Let's be honest with one another, it shouldn't have taken so long to work it out. The City residents voted them in on the understanding they know what they are doing.

I don't blame Williams for making the cuts, I knew they would be made and also know more will follow, but why try and hide that fact? This is what gets peoples backs up.

I know it's hard to ask, but let's have some honesty in the future. :-)

HillsidePaul wrote:
Most of the comments here are from right wing tory labdogs or single issue fantasists with no idea how Council funding works.

Gideon Osbourne and Eric Pickles have pulled of a masterstroke. They are idiologicaly committed to "small Government" but don't want to take the blame for service cuts. All Councils around the Country (of all parties) have been cutting back for years. There is no MASSIVE waste. And Pickles knows it.

So they penalise Councils if they raise Council tax and slash Govt grant at the same time. Then they hide in the shadows as Cllrs across the Country take the flack for cuts, assisted by local papers that love a sensationalist headline.

huckit P wrote:
Well good people of Southampton. You voted for 'em and you got 'em. So you can't really complain. Neither can all the muppets working for the council who also voted for them. If there is no money you can't simply make it out of fresh air otherwise we'd all be millionaires.
Striking (or other industrial action) will not solve the problem but instead will make it far worse than it already is and only the blinkered, short-sighted myopics would be unable to see that. All I can say is "hurry up with the next elections".

cantthinkofone wrote:

huckit P wrote:
Well good people of Southampton. You voted for 'em and you got 'em. So you can't really complain. Neither can all the muppets working for the council who also voted for them. If there is no money you can't simply make it out of fresh air otherwise we'd all be millionaires.
Striking (or other industrial action) will not solve the problem but instead will make it far worse than it already is and only the blinkered, short-sighted myopics would be unable to see that. All I can say is "hurry up with the next elections".

Voting for the other lot wouldn't have made a jot of difference. I posted such on another story, so indulge me whilst I quote myself:

"You can't get a cigarette paper between the two parties these days. Labour have adopted your free-market neo-liberal agenda wholeheartedly. Things would be no better under the blue tories than the red tories (or the yellow tories for that matter).

The idea of democratic choice is (now more than ever) an illusion maintained solely to pacify the masses and give the political class a way of entertaining themselves."

As for there "not being any money" - at a national level, it's a lie.

There's more than enough wealth in the UK for everyone to live an extremely comfortable existence. The issue isn't a lack of wealth, it's that it's concentrated in a very small proportion of our society.

Neither is that "earned", barring the rare exception. Wealth begets wealth, and poverty begets poverty. The way the system is set up makes the growth of inequality inevitable.

It will continue this way, until people accept that they're being used and demand change. And asking nicely may not be enough.

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?

Over the Edge wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?

To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?

To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.

I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.

MGRA wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?

To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.

I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.

Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?

Rob444 wrote:
Looks like the Council's priorities need sorting out.

We can manage without Royston's Folly and the new art thing on the Tyrell and Green's site. These are not essential, unlike the services that are going to go.

One thing that puzzles me, is how outsourcing can save money. The outsourcing companies will need to make a profit and their employees will need paying, unless they are part of Cameron's failed Big Society, of course.

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?

Do you mean the Letter that he wrote attacking me & blaming the Tories before he was supposed to know what the Council were proposing the same letter he wrote after he got his members to accept lower redundancy payments & lower pensions Oh! also stopping those payments they were going to win in court?
Ironlady the Unions & Labour new this was going to happen before the local election.
I would guess that it was changed at the last moment to save Mike Tucker Unison & Unites faces by cutting any post besides a refuse one for now & then blame the Government when they do cut those jobs.
These workers have been conned by both the Unions & the Local Labour Party

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?

Do you mean the Letter that he wrote attacking me & blaming the Tories before he was supposed to know what the Council were proposing the same letter he wrote after he got his members to accept lower redundancy payments & lower pensions Oh! also stopping those payments they were going to win in court?
Ironlady the Unions & Labour new this was going to happen before the local election.
I would guess that it was changed at the last moment to save Mike Tucker Unison & Unites faces by cutting any post besides a refuse one for now & then blame the Government when they do cut those jobs.
These workers have been conned by both the Unions & the Local Labour Party

I agree, the workers have indeed been set up. I bashed these workers last year, but right now, actually feel for them as they have been led up the garden path.

I could be like Southy and say I told you so, but there is no point. They still have families to feed and I do, genuinely feel for them. They couldn't have been more stitched up if we tried.

loosehead wrote:

Rob444 wrote:
Looks like the Council's priorities need sorting out.

We can manage without Royston's Folly and the new art thing on the Tyrell and Green's site. These are not essential, unlike the services that are going to go.

One thing that puzzles me, is how outsourcing can save money. The outsourcing companies will need to make a profit and their employees will need paying, unless they are part of Cameron's failed Big Society, of course.

Have you been suckered into that lie?
Not a penny of our money is going into that project it's all National lottery, Arts Council & several other grant bodies

nedscrumpo wrote:
That will mean no council run children's homes in the city. Only alternative privately run and expensive children's homes out of the area.

IronLady2010 wrote:
What's important right now is how we deal with these cuts as a City. No point in placing blame for what's already been done by either side.

For example, if Unions take members out on strike again, will this cost the City more money and therefore increase the job losses.

We have to start working together and get our City through this difficult time.

Good luck all. x

geoff51 wrote:

DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!

Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.

George4th wrote:
This current Labour Council is as inept as all previous Labour Councils. Their record for the people of Southampton is Zilch! Where are their legacies from previously ruling Southampton?
Correct! There aren't any!
And the good Citizens of Southampton wonder why we can't attract businesses to our City! So many businesses have left Southampton in the past 30 years and all under Labour. Of course, the Unions didn't help with their constant striking or threats to strike - where/when did the Unions ever win anything in Southampton!

IronLady2010 wrote:

George4th wrote:
This current Labour Council is as inept as all previous Labour Councils. Their record for the people of Southampton is Zilch! Where are their legacies from previously ruling Southampton?
Correct! There aren't any!
And the good Citizens of Southampton wonder why we can't attract businesses to our City! So many businesses have left Southampton in the past 30 years and all under Labour. Of course, the Unions didn't help with their constant striking or threats to strike - where/when did the Unions ever win anything in Southampton!

They won a Labour vote in May! LOL

imasocialworkergetme
outofhere wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!

Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.

Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?

imasocialworkergetme
outofhere wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!

Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.

Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?

geoff51 wrote:

imasocialworkergetme

outofhere wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!

Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.

Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?

One where parents take responsibility for their offspring and dont use them to obtain better benefits! By support workers i dont mean the people that go in to homes to help the aged and disabled. I mean the made up jobs like outreach workers, awareness officers, diversity advisors etc who are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard and earn three times as much as those that do the caring.

IronLady2010 wrote:

imasocialworkergetme

outofhere wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!

Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.

Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?

I have to agree, support workers salaries are the lowest, this is why you see so many complaints of poor standards, because those who are qualified and looking for higher salaries won't take the job, so you end up with unqualified people, who often don't give a danm. (spelt wrong to avoid filter).

imasocialworkergetme
outofhere wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

imasocialworkergetme


outofhere wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!

Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.

Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?

I have to agree, support workers salaries are the lowest, this is why you see so many complaints of poor standards, because those who are qualified and looking for higher salaries won't take the job, so you end up with unqualified people, who often don't give a danm. (spelt wrong to avoid filter).

There are some support workers who do a **** sight better job than qualified workers. Many are in a job with rubbish pay taking rubbish from people (familes and the public like some critics on this page) all to make children's lives better. It isn't the childrens fault that they are parented the way they are and there aren't many who would stick around in a job like this unless they were dedicated and committed-you'd have to be to do it for the money they get!

MGRA wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?

To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.

I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.

Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.

kingnotail wrote:

MGRA wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?

To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.

I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.

Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.

Can't even put glass in the recycling bin!! Southampton is the crappest place I've ever had the misfortune to end up in.

IronLady2010 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

MGRA wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?

To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.

I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.

Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.

Can't even put glass in the recycling bin!! Southampton is the crappest place I've ever had the misfortune to end up in.

Move elsewhere if you feel southampton is crap. I'm not forcing you to stay here and you obviously don't like the place. Freedom of choice and all that. Leave it to us to sort the place out ;-)

sarfhamton wrote:
Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

Rights&Justice4Y
P wrote:

sarfhamton wrote:
Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

These cuts are a disgrace!
1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity!
Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets
Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/

teenage pregnancy
Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold
Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT

loosehead wrote:

Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:

sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT

Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:

sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT

Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure

Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:

sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT

Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure

Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.

imasocialworkergetme
outofhere wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:

sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT

Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure

Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.

The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?

loosehead wrote:

imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:

sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT

Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure

Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.

The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?

So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:

sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT

Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure

Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.

The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?

So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?

Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:

sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT

Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure

Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.

The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?

So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?

Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.

Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:

sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT

Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure

Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.

The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?

So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?

Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.

Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)

Another perfect example of your ranting. Your post was about earnings. Now, it is about a whole host if other things. Get some therapy, you have a big chip on your shoulder.

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:

sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT

Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure

Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.

The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?

So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?

Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.

Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)

Another perfect example of your ranting. Your post was about earnings. Now, it is about a whole host if other things. Get some therapy, you have a big chip on your shoulder.

What was the name of that young boy who died due to the failure of highly educated Social Workers? You changed the subject going on about how educated they were & I showed you it's not a good education that spots child abuse. I was asking how much you & these social Workers earn? Surely as one of them has said they'd be scraping the barrel if they kept the pay cuts it would be a good idea to show how lowly paid they are wouldn't it? Or is it because scraping the barrel was going a tad over the top PLEASE tell us more or will you just attack me again?

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:

sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?

These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT

Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure

Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.

The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?

So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?

Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.

Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)

Another perfect example of your ranting. Your post was about earnings. Now, it is about a whole host if other things. Get some therapy, you have a big chip on your shoulder.

What was the name of that young boy who died due to the failure of highly educated Social Workers? You changed the subject going on about how educated they were & I showed you it's not a good education that spots child abuse. I was asking how much you & these social Workers earn? Surely as one of them has said they'd be scraping the barrel if they kept the pay cuts it would be a good idea to show how lowly paid they are wouldn't it? Or is it because scraping the barrel was going a tad over the top PLEASE tell us more or will you just attack me again?

Shame on you.