300 Southampton City Council jobs cut confirmed

UP to 300 jobs will be slashed at Southampton City Council in the authority's worst ever financial crisis.

Labour council leaders have this afternoon confirmed the depth of the massive cuts they plan to make to plug a budget deficit. The jobs cull is the largest ever.

The council's youth service, its “Our House” residential children's home and its archaeology unit will be shut down.

The brunt of the job losses will hit children's services where 126 jobs are at risk.

The council's 2013/14 spending plans will also see swingeing cuts to the adult care budget and the future of weekly bin collections is hanging in the balance, depending on a Government grant.

Labour, who pledged to keep redundancies to a minimum, last month postponed releasing their budget plans to get a clearer picture of the council's finances and more time to prepare the cuts and hikes in charges.

Finance boss Councillor Simon Letts warned then that the council had already cut out the fat and flesh down to the bone and was facing the prospect of “removing limbs”.

He said: "No one gets into local politics to cut services and drfating this budget has been a painful process.

"We have had to separate the 'good to haves' from the 'absolutely necessary' and we do feel that we have managed to protect services to the most vulnerable people in the city while making savings that will undoubtedly affect what the council can offer to the rest of us."

A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out.

Labour and the unions have blamed the dire state of the council's finances on the decision of the previous Conservative administration and Government funding cuts.

But Conservatives insist they would have found alternative ways to fund the deficit, through outsourcing, sharing services with other council and not restoring pay cuts they brought in to protect jobs.

Labour has already announced that 200 temporary workers at the council will lose their jobs in the coming years to free up potential roles for permanent staff facing redundancy.

Unison branch Secretary, Mike Tucker said: “While work starts on the new Arts Complex, which is being mainly funded by the council, across the city youth centres will be closing.

“Hundreds of council workers, youth workers, library workers, child care professionals, park keepers, archaeologists, and social workers, all face the sack.

“Their futures are being put at risk by the economic policy of the Conservatives.”

Tory group leader Royston Smith said: “It's nonsense. We left a £6.9m underspend and did not raid reserves. It's a weak and dishonest argument.”

Unite branch secretary Mark Wood added: “As the Government sits on its hands when hundreds of Southampton Ford jobs are shipped to Turkey and as it continues on its failed economic strategy creating zero growth, the future looks very bleak indeed for our city.”

“Unite and Unison will work tirelessly to protect as many jobs and services as possible and campaign for a fair deal for Southampton.”

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3:18pm Mon 12 Nov 12

sarfhamton says...

Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer? sarfhamton
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3:19pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Shoong says...

+ 50 then.
+ 50 then. Shoong
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3:35pm Mon 12 Nov 12

mr nobody says...

No wonder some of the children don't have respect for the older ones today , just take a look at what we are doing to them , i say again save the children s homes cut the Councillors and their wages whats more important? councillors should not be protected from the cuts either what makes them so special Cllr Williams don't need the money he is very well off right now and many others like him, so lets ask them to lead by example take a wage cut prove to the people you are in this with them do something for the children they are the future of this country so lets look after them not punish them .
No wonder some of the children don't have respect for the older ones today , just take a look at what we are doing to them , i say again save the children s homes cut the Councillors and their wages whats more important? councillors should not be protected from the cuts either what makes them so special Cllr Williams don't need the money he is very well off right now and many others like him, so lets ask them to lead by example take a wage cut prove to the people you are in this with them do something for the children they are the future of this country so lets look after them not punish them . mr nobody
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3:35pm Mon 12 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

That will mean no council run children's homes in the city. Only alternative privately run and expensive children's homes out of the area.
That will mean no council run children's homes in the city. Only alternative privately run and expensive children's homes out of the area. nedscrumpo
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3:35pm Mon 12 Nov 12

ohec says...

When will this stupid government admit its cut cut cut policy is not working we need to stimulate our economy not stifle it, all of these jobs we are losing is really going to help the economy in all of my 65 years this is the worst government we have ever had they seem to be finishing off the destruction of the country that Thatcher started, they have cut everything to the bone and now they are screwing the councils into the ground in an effort to offload some of the blame.
When will this stupid government admit its cut cut cut policy is not working we need to stimulate our economy not stifle it, all of these jobs we are losing is really going to help the economy in all of my 65 years this is the worst government we have ever had they seem to be finishing off the destruction of the country that Thatcher started, they have cut everything to the bone and now they are screwing the councils into the ground in an effort to offload some of the blame. ohec
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3:36pm Mon 12 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

That will mean no council run children's homes in the city. Only alternative privately run and expensive children's homes out of the area.
That will mean no council run children's homes in the city. Only alternative privately run and expensive children's homes out of the area. nedscrumpo
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3:46pm Mon 12 Nov 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg
g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.
We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies. CB FRY LIVES
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4:00pm Mon 12 Nov 12

MGRA says...

forget the spin. SCC wastes money on a stupendous scale. they could easily pair back the waste and halt the job losses but its labour remember.... waste is their middle name. As for the southampton MPs, they are fools.. I am not a tory or lib dem voter but happen to think the coalition is correct about cutting the defecit. We as a nation can not spend money we do have any longer. The risks are too great and the alternatives to stark. When interest rates start rising again as they will within 18 months, nations will lower debt will obviously be best placed to build a strong economy.
forget the spin. SCC wastes money on a stupendous scale. they could easily pair back the waste and halt the job losses but its labour remember.... waste is their middle name. As for the southampton MPs, they are fools.. I am not a tory or lib dem voter but happen to think the coalition is correct about cutting the defecit. We as a nation can not spend money we do have any longer. The risks are too great and the alternatives to stark. When interest rates start rising again as they will within 18 months, nations will lower debt will obviously be best placed to build a strong economy. MGRA
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4:04pm Mon 12 Nov 12

geoff51 says...

As usual the Labour admin got in on lies, thanks to string pulling by their Union puppet masters!
If Royston had remained in place there may have been slightly less money in the wage pot but at least there would have still been a pot which could have been topped up by WTC for the lower paid.
The Labour party would have masively increased the Council tax if they had been allowed to, to fund their Spend Spend policy as per the last Labour government and pay off their Union puppet masters.
Well welcome to the real world, your council employees will have to join the cuts the private sector have had for years, rather than feather bedding from taxes.
Cut out a few of the non jobs like outreach workers, diversity officers, etc and there will be enough left for the vulnerable groups and essential services.
Cue riteous indignation from labour luvvies and Union members
As usual the Labour admin got in on lies, thanks to string pulling by their Union puppet masters! If Royston had remained in place there may have been slightly less money in the wage pot but at least there would have still been a pot which could have been topped up by WTC for the lower paid. The Labour party would have masively increased the Council tax if they had been allowed to, to fund their Spend Spend policy as per the last Labour government and pay off their Union puppet masters. Well welcome to the real world, your council employees will have to join the cuts the private sector have had for years, rather than feather bedding from taxes. Cut out a few of the non jobs like outreach workers, diversity officers, etc and there will be enough left for the vulnerable groups and essential services. Cue riteous indignation from labour luvvies and Union members geoff51
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4:08pm Mon 12 Nov 12

focus19 says...

The City Council could make a fortune, in Motoring Offences and a City Congestion Charge and use the Money to put back into Public Services. The of illegally parked cars and illegal turns etc I see on a day to day basis at the Bottom of London Rd, And if the council stopped wasting money on stupid Dangerous Road layouts Such London Rd and the Bottom of the High St. & Guildhall Square. Maybe the first round of job cuts should be the planning dept because that's where the biggest waste of council money comes from .
The City Council could make a fortune, in Motoring Offences and a City Congestion Charge and use the Money to put back into Public Services. The of illegally parked cars and illegal turns etc I see on a day to day basis at the Bottom of London Rd, And if the council stopped wasting money on stupid Dangerous Road layouts Such London Rd and the Bottom of the High St. & Guildhall Square. Maybe the first round of job cuts should be the planning dept because that's where the biggest waste of council money comes from . focus19
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4:10pm Mon 12 Nov 12

10 Minute Man says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
They don't vote.
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]They don't vote. 10 Minute Man
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4:12pm Mon 12 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

That's a net figure; they've created some new jobs such as more social workers and senior managers. Gross losses are higher
That's a net figure; they've created some new jobs such as more social workers and senior managers. Gross losses are higher nedscrumpo
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4:18pm Mon 12 Nov 12

mr nobody says...

So Cllr Williams and Cllr Letts where has the £6.9 MILLION gone Cllr Smith said he left you in the pot ,we have a right to know as it is our money .Answer please. as for Mr Tucker best thing you can do is keep quite all labour do is things to keep you happy and you give them more money bit like a pribe come to think of it, and the people of Southampton suffer for it, cant you find another country to take you on .
So Cllr Williams and Cllr Letts where has the £6.9 MILLION gone Cllr Smith said he left you in the pot ,we have a right to know as it is our money .Answer please. as for Mr Tucker best thing you can do is keep quite all labour do is things to keep you happy and you give them more money bit like a pribe come to think of it, and the people of Southampton suffer for it, cant you find another country to take you on . mr nobody
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4:24pm Mon 12 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Football result

Labour 6-0 Workers ( Tucker 3 own goals, Williams 3 own goals ).
Football result Labour 6-0 Workers ( Tucker 3 own goals, Williams 3 own goals ). aldermoorboy
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4:27pm Mon 12 Nov 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

still ,the sea city museum is drawing massive crowds.
still ,the sea city museum is drawing massive crowds. arthur dalyrimple
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4:29pm Mon 12 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

MGRA wrote:
forget the spin. SCC wastes money on a stupendous scale. they could easily pair back the waste and halt the job losses but its labour remember.... waste is their middle name. As for the southampton MPs, they are fools.. I am not a tory or lib dem voter but happen to think the coalition is correct about cutting the defecit. We as a nation can not spend money we do have any longer. The risks are too great and the alternatives to stark. When interest rates start rising again as they will within 18 months, nations will lower debt will obviously be best placed to build a strong economy.
Please enlighten us, where do the Council waste £30m per year?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: forget the spin. SCC wastes money on a stupendous scale. they could easily pair back the waste and halt the job losses but its labour remember.... waste is their middle name. As for the southampton MPs, they are fools.. I am not a tory or lib dem voter but happen to think the coalition is correct about cutting the defecit. We as a nation can not spend money we do have any longer. The risks are too great and the alternatives to stark. When interest rates start rising again as they will within 18 months, nations will lower debt will obviously be best placed to build a strong economy.[/p][/quote]Please enlighten us, where do the Council waste £30m per year? thinklikealocal
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4:33pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

The people of Southampton will always remember what Labour promised, and what we actually ended up with.

They will never forgive Labour for this, and rightly so.

Bring back the conservatives, at least they were straight talking, and you knew where you were - you had confidence that they were doing their best to protect jobs and promote investment in the city.
The people of Southampton will always remember what Labour promised, and what we actually ended up with. They will never forgive Labour for this, and rightly so. Bring back the conservatives, at least they were straight talking, and you knew where you were - you had confidence that they were doing their best to protect jobs and promote investment in the city. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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4:48pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Jess1988 says...

In response to
CB FRY LIVES
''We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg

g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.''

Shame on Labour for getting us in this mess in the first place under Blair and Brown!! Under the Conservatives some workers would have had less pay but would have had a job. Now hundreds are facing the axe. My dad and my brother both work for the council. My brother has worked for them as a temp for 4 years. He faces losing his job soon. My dad has been there for 19 years but his job is not secure either. If the conservatives had been voted in again the higher earners would have had slightly less money but hundreds would at least have a job. So shame on them for being so greedy and only thinking of themselves.
And shame on the labour run council for continuing to spend money on the new Arts Complex while making hundreds of hard workers jobless.
In response to CB FRY LIVES ''We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.'' Shame on Labour for getting us in this mess in the first place under Blair and Brown!! Under the Conservatives some workers would have had less pay but would have had a job. Now hundreds are facing the axe. My dad and my brother both work for the council. My brother has worked for them as a temp for 4 years. He faces losing his job soon. My dad has been there for 19 years but his job is not secure either. If the conservatives had been voted in again the higher earners would have had slightly less money but hundreds would at least have a job. So shame on them for being so greedy and only thinking of themselves. And shame on the labour run council for continuing to spend money on the new Arts Complex while making hundreds of hard workers jobless. Jess1988
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4:55pm Mon 12 Nov 12

allison.luella says...

I feel sorry for us Council Tax Payers, where is our money going, because its not going on the vital services ie Weekly bin collections!!

Come on Conservatives kick Labour out!!
I feel sorry for us Council Tax Payers, where is our money going, because its not going on the vital services ie Weekly bin collections!! Come on Conservatives kick Labour out!! allison.luella
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4:56pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Brock_and_Roll says...

In fairness, the current problems have nothing to do with the previous tory or current labour councils in Southampton both of whom are having to deal with a "no win" situation.

The real crime was the Brown/Blair government that after some laudable good work believed the good times would go on for every and that economic cycles were a thing of the past. Running a budget deficit even at the peak of the boom was a crime that must never be forgotten and I am sure there a re plenty of sensible socialists that would not have made this mistake!
In fairness, the current problems have nothing to do with the previous tory or current labour councils in Southampton both of whom are having to deal with a "no win" situation. The real crime was the Brown/Blair government that after some laudable good work believed the good times would go on for every and that economic cycles were a thing of the past. Running a budget deficit even at the peak of the boom was a crime that must never be forgotten and I am sure there a re plenty of sensible socialists that would not have made this mistake! Brock_and_Roll
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4:58pm Mon 12 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Great news Labour councillor's jobs safe, no salary cuts, in fact 2 more cabinet posts for Labour worth £22,000 each year.Drinks on Labour
Well done Labour you stuffed the worker well and good, take the shame Labour.
More good news no Union leaders getting the sack.
Pity about the workers and their families, Labour and Union leaders just used them.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.
Great news Labour councillor's jobs safe, no salary cuts, in fact 2 more cabinet posts for Labour worth £22,000 each year.Drinks on Labour Well done Labour you stuffed the worker well and good, take the shame Labour. More good news no Union leaders getting the sack. Pity about the workers and their families, Labour and Union leaders just used them. Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors. aldermoorboy
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5:05pm Mon 12 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

Jess1988 wrote:
In response to CB FRY LIVES ''We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.'' Shame on Labour for getting us in this mess in the first place under Blair and Brown!! Under the Conservatives some workers would have had less pay but would have had a job. Now hundreds are facing the axe. My dad and my brother both work for the council. My brother has worked for them as a temp for 4 years. He faces losing his job soon. My dad has been there for 19 years but his job is not secure either. If the conservatives had been voted in again the higher earners would have had slightly less money but hundreds would at least have a job. So shame on them for being so greedy and only thinking of themselves. And shame on the labour run council for continuing to spend money on the new Arts Complex while making hundreds of hard workers jobless.
Do you actually realise that, whilst implementing the pay cuts to 'save jobs', the Tory run Council saw through 300 redundancies? They also built the Sea City museum with a huge capital investment from the coffers and it will be a loss making financial millstone for years to come? Try and see through the haze of anti labour hysteria!
[quote][p][bold]Jess1988[/bold] wrote: In response to CB FRY LIVES ''We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.'' Shame on Labour for getting us in this mess in the first place under Blair and Brown!! Under the Conservatives some workers would have had less pay but would have had a job. Now hundreds are facing the axe. My dad and my brother both work for the council. My brother has worked for them as a temp for 4 years. He faces losing his job soon. My dad has been there for 19 years but his job is not secure either. If the conservatives had been voted in again the higher earners would have had slightly less money but hundreds would at least have a job. So shame on them for being so greedy and only thinking of themselves. And shame on the labour run council for continuing to spend money on the new Arts Complex while making hundreds of hard workers jobless.[/p][/quote]Do you actually realise that, whilst implementing the pay cuts to 'save jobs', the Tory run Council saw through 300 redundancies? They also built the Sea City museum with a huge capital investment from the coffers and it will be a loss making financial millstone for years to come? Try and see through the haze of anti labour hysteria! thinklikealocal
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5:06pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Ford Prefect says...

The Council has been placed in this position by the actions of the Con/Lib Dem coalition. MGRA claims that the council could easily stop wasting money but gives no examples. I expect if he tried hard he could indeed find the odd example where money could be saved. It's almost inevitable with any large organsiation. But, come on, he's not going to find £30 million worth of waste.

Does anybody honestly believe that the previous Tory administration would not also have been in this position - wage cuts or no wage cuts? The only difference is that they wouldn't have agonised over making the cuts.

As Simon Letts said, they've cut the fat. Now they are being forced to cut off limbs.

I can't think why anybody wants to be a councillor these days. You're not there to represent your local voters anymore or provide the best services. You're there to do what man mountain Eric Pickles tells you to do. A thankless task.
The Council has been placed in this position by the actions of the Con/Lib Dem coalition. MGRA claims that the council could easily stop wasting money but gives no examples. I expect if he tried hard he could indeed find the odd example where money could be saved. It's almost inevitable with any large organsiation. But, come on, he's not going to find £30 million worth of waste. Does anybody honestly believe that the previous Tory administration would not also have been in this position - wage cuts or no wage cuts? The only difference is that they wouldn't have agonised over making the cuts. As Simon Letts said, they've cut the fat. Now they are being forced to cut off limbs. I can't think why anybody wants to be a councillor these days. You're not there to represent your local voters anymore or provide the best services. You're there to do what man mountain Eric Pickles tells you to do. A thankless task. Ford Prefect
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5:14pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

I think it's fair to say these cuts were coming regardless of who is in control The reason people are angry is not so much the cuts, but Labours Manifesto which got them into power in the first place.

After taking over they came up with the excuse, that they had no idea the books were this bad. What did they base their figures on if they had no idea? Then they created two new jobs.

You can understand why people are angry.
I think it's fair to say these cuts were coming regardless of who is in control The reason people are angry is not so much the cuts, but Labours Manifesto which got them into power in the first place. After taking over they came up with the excuse, that they had no idea the books were this bad. What did they base their figures on if they had no idea? Then they created two new jobs. You can understand why people are angry. IronLady2010
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5:15pm Mon 12 Nov 12

SotonGreen says...

On the subject of MGRA I am not sure I give much credit to the opinion of someone who cannot even spell the word deficit.
On the subject of MGRA I am not sure I give much credit to the opinion of someone who cannot even spell the word deficit. SotonGreen
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5:17pm Mon 12 Nov 12

George4th says...

Unite branch secretary Mark Wood said
"the future looks very bleak indeed for our city."

Well, Mr Wood I can tell you that the future is always bleak when you have a Labour Council, and we have had many Labour Councils! Not one of them has cared about the future of Southampton which is why we are where we are. The City will not progress while the Labour Party is in power - based on past form, surely the citizens of Southampton City can see that!
Unite branch secretary Mark Wood said "the future looks very bleak indeed for our city." Well, Mr Wood I can tell you that the future is always bleak when you have a Labour Council, and we have had many Labour Councils! Not one of them has cared about the future of Southampton which is why we are where we are. The City will not progress while the Labour Party is in power - based on past form, surely the citizens of Southampton City can see that! George4th
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5:20pm Mon 12 Nov 12

ReverendPaul says...

Because of the increasing number of people losing jobs in the Southampton area now and in the future, one community project has brought forward its plans to create an effective job club for those looking for work and this is supported by the job centres as well.

http://sebastianshel
pproject.btck.co.uk/
JobClub
Because of the increasing number of people losing jobs in the Southampton area now and in the future, one community project has brought forward its plans to create an effective job club for those looking for work and this is supported by the job centres as well. http://sebastianshel pproject.btck.co.uk/ JobClub ReverendPaul
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5:21pm Mon 12 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Ford Prefect.

Here are a few examples of saving money.
1/. Link up with the IOW as the Tories did. Savings were big, Williams cancelled it.
2/. Williams spent around £10k on a pointless report into cameras in Southampton, the report appears to be worthless.
3/. Labour gave themselves £22,000 on extra cabinet positions.
4/. We pay the wages of Union leaders at Southampton council, the Unions should pay this.
I am sure there are many more examples.
Vote Tory in 2014 for an honest and caring council.
Ford Prefect. Here are a few examples of saving money. 1/. Link up with the IOW as the Tories did. Savings were big, Williams cancelled it. 2/. Williams spent around £10k on a pointless report into cameras in Southampton, the report appears to be worthless. 3/. Labour gave themselves £22,000 on extra cabinet positions. 4/. We pay the wages of Union leaders at Southampton council, the Unions should pay this. I am sure there are many more examples. Vote Tory in 2014 for an honest and caring council. aldermoorboy
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5:43pm Mon 12 Nov 12

mr nobody says...

Labour are all about their own pockets and bank accounts There must be away the people of southampton can sack them all right now . if somebody knows of away please post it lets take our city back from theses money grabbing liers , lets take to streets like some other countries have done time to stand up and be counted OUT WITH THE LIERS .
Labour are all about their own pockets and bank accounts There must be away the people of southampton can sack them all right now . if somebody knows of away please post it lets take our city back from theses money grabbing liers , lets take to streets like some other countries have done time to stand up and be counted OUT WITH THE LIERS . mr nobody
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5:48pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Youth fight for jobs says...

It is essential that young people take a stand.

Youth fight for jobs is a campaign of young people against the cuts and against youth unemployment.

How can we stop the cuts?
Southampton anti-cuts union public meeting,
Wednesday 7.30pm,
Sir James Matthews building.

Email: sotonyffj@gmal.com
Twitter: @Sotonyfj
It is essential that young people take a stand. Youth fight for jobs is a campaign of young people against the cuts and against youth unemployment. How can we stop the cuts? Southampton anti-cuts union public meeting, Wednesday 7.30pm, Sir James Matthews building. Email: sotonyffj@gmal.com Twitter: @Sotonyfj Youth fight for jobs
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5:49pm Mon 12 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Ford Prefect. Here are a few examples of saving money. 1/. Link up with the IOW as the Tories did. Savings were big, Williams cancelled it. 2/. Williams spent around £10k on a pointless report into cameras in Southampton, the report appears to be worthless. 3/. Labour gave themselves £22,000 on extra cabinet positions. 4/. We pay the wages of Union leaders at Southampton council, the Unions should pay this. I am sure there are many more examples. Vote Tory in 2014 for an honest and caring council.
If you make that add up to a £30m ongoing (i.e. produces a saving every year from now on) reduction in spend then you need a new calculator! Please stop posting nonsense based on your own personal political bias.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Ford Prefect. Here are a few examples of saving money. 1/. Link up with the IOW as the Tories did. Savings were big, Williams cancelled it. 2/. Williams spent around £10k on a pointless report into cameras in Southampton, the report appears to be worthless. 3/. Labour gave themselves £22,000 on extra cabinet positions. 4/. We pay the wages of Union leaders at Southampton council, the Unions should pay this. I am sure there are many more examples. Vote Tory in 2014 for an honest and caring council.[/p][/quote]If you make that add up to a £30m ongoing (i.e. produces a saving every year from now on) reduction in spend then you need a new calculator! Please stop posting nonsense based on your own personal political bias. thinklikealocal
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5:56pm Mon 12 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
I think it's fair to say these cuts were coming regardless of who is in control The reason people are angry is not so much the cuts, but Labours Manifesto which got them into power in the first place. After taking over they came up with the excuse, that they had no idea the books were this bad. What did they base their figures on if they had no idea? Then they created two new jobs. You can understand why people are angry.
I agree with what you are saying about why people are angry. However, I think it's important to note that the last administration were very good at PR and spin. Whilst that may be a great skill, it doesn't really demonstrate that they had any more substance than the current administration. They also backed away from making a lot of difficult decisions and I know that for a fact. One undeniable fact is that it gets harder every year to make these cuts.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I think it's fair to say these cuts were coming regardless of who is in control The reason people are angry is not so much the cuts, but Labours Manifesto which got them into power in the first place. After taking over they came up with the excuse, that they had no idea the books were this bad. What did they base their figures on if they had no idea? Then they created two new jobs. You can understand why people are angry.[/p][/quote]I agree with what you are saying about why people are angry. However, I think it's important to note that the last administration were very good at PR and spin. Whilst that may be a great skill, it doesn't really demonstrate that they had any more substance than the current administration. They also backed away from making a lot of difficult decisions and I know that for a fact. One undeniable fact is that it gets harder every year to make these cuts. thinklikealocal
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6:00pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Maine Lobster says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Ford Prefect.

Here are a few examples of saving money.
1/. Link up with the IOW as the Tories did. Savings were big, Williams cancelled it.
2/. Williams spent around £10k on a pointless report into cameras in Southampton, the report appears to be worthless.
3/. Labour gave themselves £22,000 on extra cabinet positions.
4/. We pay the wages of Union leaders at Southampton council, the Unions should pay this.
I am sure there are many more examples.
Vote Tory in 2014 for an honest and caring council.
Don't forget the £100m spent by the Tories on new offices, museum and civic refurbushments we didn't need and certainly couldn't afford. Puts your few poxy swipes into context.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Ford Prefect. Here are a few examples of saving money. 1/. Link up with the IOW as the Tories did. Savings were big, Williams cancelled it. 2/. Williams spent around £10k on a pointless report into cameras in Southampton, the report appears to be worthless. 3/. Labour gave themselves £22,000 on extra cabinet positions. 4/. We pay the wages of Union leaders at Southampton council, the Unions should pay this. I am sure there are many more examples. Vote Tory in 2014 for an honest and caring council.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the £100m spent by the Tories on new offices, museum and civic refurbushments we didn't need and certainly couldn't afford. Puts your few poxy swipes into context. Maine Lobster
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6:08pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

What's important right now is how we deal with these cuts as a City. No point in placing blame for what's already been done by either side.

For example, if Unions take members out on strike again, will this cost the City more money and therefore increase the job losses.

We have to start working together and get our City through this difficult time.

Good luck all. x
What's important right now is how we deal with these cuts as a City. No point in placing blame for what's already been done by either side. For example, if Unions take members out on strike again, will this cost the City more money and therefore increase the job losses. We have to start working together and get our City through this difficult time. Good luck all. x IronLady2010
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6:13pm Mon 12 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then.
As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.
Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers. aldermoorboy
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6:13pm Mon 12 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then.
As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.
Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers. aldermoorboy
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6:21pm Mon 12 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.
The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.[/p][/quote]The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal. thinklikealocal
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6:24pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.
The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.
You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.[/p][/quote]The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.[/p][/quote]You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-) IronLady2010
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6:31pm Mon 12 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.
The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.
You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)
It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.[/p][/quote]The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.[/p][/quote]You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)[/p][/quote]It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff. thinklikealocal
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6:33pm Mon 12 Nov 12

mr nobody says...

Can not believe Clr Williams would see a child suffer just to line his own pockets is the man that low .
Can not believe Clr Williams would see a child suffer just to line his own pockets is the man that low . mr nobody
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6:34pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.
The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.
You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)
It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.
I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections.

The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.[/p][/quote]The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.[/p][/quote]You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)[/p][/quote]It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.[/p][/quote]I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x IronLady2010
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6:39pm Mon 12 Nov 12

HillsidePaul says...

Most of the comments here are from right wing tory labdogs or single issue fantasists with no idea how Council funding works.

Gideon Osbourne and Eric Pickles have pulled of a masterstroke. They are idiologicaly committed to "small Government" but don't want to take the blame for service cuts. All Councils around the Country (of all parties) have been cutting back for years. There is no MASSIVE waste. And Pickles knows it.

So they penalise Councils if they raise Council tax and slash Govt grant at the same time. Then they hide in the shadows as Cllrs across the Country take the flack for cuts, assisted by local papers that love a sensationalist headline.
Most of the comments here are from right wing tory labdogs or single issue fantasists with no idea how Council funding works. Gideon Osbourne and Eric Pickles have pulled of a masterstroke. They are idiologicaly committed to "small Government" but don't want to take the blame for service cuts. All Councils around the Country (of all parties) have been cutting back for years. There is no MASSIVE waste. And Pickles knows it. So they penalise Councils if they raise Council tax and slash Govt grant at the same time. Then they hide in the shadows as Cllrs across the Country take the flack for cuts, assisted by local papers that love a sensationalist headline. HillsidePaul
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6:39pm Mon 12 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

If I as an ordinary council tax payer can show savings of £100,000 + in minutes, I wonder what an expert could save.
In my view that expert would not be a Labour councillor.
If I as an ordinary council tax payer can show savings of £100,000 + in minutes, I wonder what an expert could save. In my view that expert would not be a Labour councillor. aldermoorboy
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6:46pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
If I as an ordinary council tax payer can show savings of £100,000 + in minutes, I wonder what an expert could save.
In my view that expert would not be a Labour councillor.
The issue with your suggestions is, you'd have to run this via the Union bosses. Good luck with that one ;-)
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: If I as an ordinary council tax payer can show savings of £100,000 + in minutes, I wonder what an expert could save. In my view that expert would not be a Labour councillor.[/p][/quote]The issue with your suggestions is, you'd have to run this via the Union bosses. Good luck with that one ;-) IronLady2010
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6:55pm Mon 12 Nov 12

skin2000 says...

I think some of Southampton's Art might be up for sale pretty soon.
I think some of Southampton's Art might be up for sale pretty soon. skin2000
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7:01pm Mon 12 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.
The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.
You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)
It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.
I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x
Yes exactly, they have put a bid in but not got a response. I expect they are all busy in Parliament debating why 3 major international companies only paid tax of £8m on turnover of £3b in the UK last year. Anyway, lets not waste time with that, lets work out what services to the young and old we can cut cos there's not enough in the UK's coffers.......
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.[/p][/quote]The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.[/p][/quote]You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)[/p][/quote]It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.[/p][/quote]I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x[/p][/quote]Yes exactly, they have put a bid in but not got a response. I expect they are all busy in Parliament debating why 3 major international companies only paid tax of £8m on turnover of £3b in the UK last year. Anyway, lets not waste time with that, lets work out what services to the young and old we can cut cos there's not enough in the UK's coffers....... thinklikealocal
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7:01pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

skin2000 wrote:
I think some of Southampton's Art might be up for sale pretty soon.
I would hope not, this belongs to the City and should be placed on display to encourage visitors in order to add to the SeaCity Museum. The more we have to offer as a City the more visitors we'll get to boost local economy.
[quote][p][bold]skin2000[/bold] wrote: I think some of Southampton's Art might be up for sale pretty soon.[/p][/quote]I would hope not, this belongs to the City and should be placed on display to encourage visitors in order to add to the SeaCity Museum. The more we have to offer as a City the more visitors we'll get to boost local economy. IronLady2010
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7:06pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.
The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.
You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)
It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.
I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x
Yes exactly, they have put a bid in but not got a response. I expect they are all busy in Parliament debating why 3 major international companies only paid tax of £8m on turnover of £3b in the UK last year. Anyway, lets not waste time with that, lets work out what services to the young and old we can cut cos there's not enough in the UK's coffers.......
At least the Government are looking into this tax avoidance, let's hope they can find a solution for these loopholes without driving away big companies and causing more job losses.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.[/p][/quote]The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.[/p][/quote]You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)[/p][/quote]It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.[/p][/quote]I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x[/p][/quote]Yes exactly, they have put a bid in but not got a response. I expect they are all busy in Parliament debating why 3 major international companies only paid tax of £8m on turnover of £3b in the UK last year. Anyway, lets not waste time with that, lets work out what services to the young and old we can cut cos there's not enough in the UK's coffers.......[/p][/quote]At least the Government are looking into this tax avoidance, let's hope they can find a solution for these loopholes without driving away big companies and causing more job losses. IronLady2010
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7:09pm Mon 12 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
If I as an ordinary council tax payer can show savings of £100,000 + in minutes, I wonder what an expert could save. In my view that expert would not be a Labour councillor.
Ok, I'll raise you £4.9m. Fortnightly bin collections on a two shift system, saving, circa £5m :)
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: If I as an ordinary council tax payer can show savings of £100,000 + in minutes, I wonder what an expert could save. In my view that expert would not be a Labour councillor.[/p][/quote]Ok, I'll raise you £4.9m. Fortnightly bin collections on a two shift system, saving, circa £5m :) thinklikealocal
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7:12pm Mon 12 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.
The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.
You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)
It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.
I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x
Yes exactly, they have put a bid in but not got a response. I expect they are all busy in Parliament debating why 3 major international companies only paid tax of £8m on turnover of £3b in the UK last year. Anyway, lets not waste time with that, lets work out what services to the young and old we can cut cos there's not enough in the UK's coffers.......
At least the Government are looking into this tax avoidance, let's hope they can find a solution for these loopholes without driving away big companies and causing more job losses.
By driving them away do you mean not trading in this country? Not a good business tactic....
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.[/p][/quote]The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.[/p][/quote]You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)[/p][/quote]It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.[/p][/quote]I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x[/p][/quote]Yes exactly, they have put a bid in but not got a response. I expect they are all busy in Parliament debating why 3 major international companies only paid tax of £8m on turnover of £3b in the UK last year. Anyway, lets not waste time with that, lets work out what services to the young and old we can cut cos there's not enough in the UK's coffers.......[/p][/quote]At least the Government are looking into this tax avoidance, let's hope they can find a solution for these loopholes without driving away big companies and causing more job losses.[/p][/quote]By driving them away do you mean not trading in this country? Not a good business tactic.... thinklikealocal
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7:14pm Mon 12 Nov 12

THE BRICK says...

It appears that the vast majority of the posters just do not have a clue what is really happening do you?? Even if someone told you, you would still run home and switch on your TV soaps and buy your bags of frozen cut cabbage from Iceland. The real villains are the elite, the banksters and their puppets, the politicians, notice I make no differentiation here between any of the three main parties, they all dance to the same tune played by the same masters, or had that avoided your gaze.
Pickles is particular nasty piece of work, I am sure he serves the real leader of the tory party well, the real leader being OsUnborne, freemason and member of the Bilderberg group, friends of the Rothschilds.......(C
ameron is only the front man) So you see, the real agenda is to remove the public services, collapse the economy and put the whole country in poverty.....except for the top 1% of course, the ones with the off shore accounts, bloated with trillions of pounds of our money.......Wake up, all of you before its too late. Yes.... call me a conspiracy crank, but you could also do your own research and come up with the same answers and conclusions if you really wanted to jump down the rabbit hole and stopped buying the frozen bags of cut cabbage.
It appears that the vast majority of the posters just do not have a clue what is really happening do you?? Even if someone told you, you would still run home and switch on your TV soaps and buy your bags of frozen cut cabbage from Iceland. The real villains are the elite, the banksters and their puppets, the politicians, notice I make no differentiation here between any of the three main parties, they all dance to the same tune played by the same masters, or had that avoided your gaze. Pickles is particular nasty piece of work, I am sure he serves the real leader of the tory party well, the real leader being OsUnborne, freemason and member of the Bilderberg group, friends of the Rothschilds.......(C ameron is only the front man) So you see, the real agenda is to remove the public services, collapse the economy and put the whole country in poverty.....except for the top 1% of course, the ones with the off shore accounts, bloated with trillions of pounds of our money.......Wake up, all of you before its too late. Yes.... call me a conspiracy crank, but you could also do your own research and come up with the same answers and conclusions if you really wanted to jump down the rabbit hole and stopped buying the frozen bags of cut cabbage. THE BRICK
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7:15pm Mon 12 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.
The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.
You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)
It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.
I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x
Yes exactly, they have put a bid in but not got a response. I expect they are all busy in Parliament debating why 3 major international companies only paid tax of £8m on turnover of £3b in the UK last year. Anyway, lets not waste time with that, lets work out what services to the young and old we can cut cos there's not enough in the UK's coffers.......
At least the Government are looking into this tax avoidance, let's hope they can find a solution for these loopholes without driving away big companies and causing more job losses.
By driving them away do you mean not trading in this country? Not a good business tactic....
Ps. I'm not sure the Government looking it is really much cause for hope.....
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Thinklikealocal and mainelobster you think the 4 examples I give are an ok waste of money then. As Labour supporters you must be gutted by this lying group who are paying themselves more while sacking the workers.[/p][/quote]The examples you gave are fine, but they are simply a drop kin the ocean and you should not be making bold statements about how these problems can be solved when quite frankly you don't know your Ar@@ from your elbow. Nothing personal.[/p][/quote]You are quite correct, I mean, If the entire Labour administration couldn't work out how bad the books were for months, then what hope have us readers got? ;-)[/p][/quote]It's not about that, it's about endless wailing about how it's easy to save £30m by cutting out the 'waste'. Its simply ridiculous to say this. In all honesty I think they were waiting for clarification from central government on issues such as weekly bin collections, subsidies/grants, savings from changes to the Crapita contract and the outcome of. Yes, the Tories were very smart in producing their plans, causing weeks of strikes and a potential £12m legal action. Great stuff.[/p][/quote]I had a quick flick through the report from today. I believe they have put in a bid to keep weekly collections. The weeks of strikes could return? Let's hope not, for all our sakes :-) x[/p][/quote]Yes exactly, they have put a bid in but not got a response. I expect they are all busy in Parliament debating why 3 major international companies only paid tax of £8m on turnover of £3b in the UK last year. Anyway, lets not waste time with that, lets work out what services to the young and old we can cut cos there's not enough in the UK's coffers.......[/p][/quote]At least the Government are looking into this tax avoidance, let's hope they can find a solution for these loopholes without driving away big companies and causing more job losses.[/p][/quote]By driving them away do you mean not trading in this country? Not a good business tactic....[/p][/quote]Ps. I'm not sure the Government looking it is really much cause for hope..... thinklikealocal
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7:19pm Mon 12 Nov 12

DMDRED says...

I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people! DMDRED
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7:20pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

THE BRICK wrote:
It appears that the vast majority of the posters just do not have a clue what is really happening do you?? Even if someone told you, you would still run home and switch on your TV soaps and buy your bags of frozen cut cabbage from Iceland. The real villains are the elite, the banksters and their puppets, the politicians, notice I make no differentiation here between any of the three main parties, they all dance to the same tune played by the same masters, or had that avoided your gaze.
Pickles is particular nasty piece of work, I am sure he serves the real leader of the tory party well, the real leader being OsUnborne, freemason and member of the Bilderberg group, friends of the Rothschilds.......(C

ameron is only the front man) So you see, the real agenda is to remove the public services, collapse the economy and put the whole country in poverty.....except for the top 1% of course, the ones with the off shore accounts, bloated with trillions of pounds of our money.......Wake up, all of you before its too late. Yes.... call me a conspiracy crank, but you could also do your own research and come up with the same answers and conclusions if you really wanted to jump down the rabbit hole and stopped buying the frozen bags of cut cabbage.
I don't shop in Iceland, only Mums go to Iceland! Asda frozen cabbage is far superior.
[quote][p][bold]THE BRICK[/bold] wrote: It appears that the vast majority of the posters just do not have a clue what is really happening do you?? Even if someone told you, you would still run home and switch on your TV soaps and buy your bags of frozen cut cabbage from Iceland. The real villains are the elite, the banksters and their puppets, the politicians, notice I make no differentiation here between any of the three main parties, they all dance to the same tune played by the same masters, or had that avoided your gaze. Pickles is particular nasty piece of work, I am sure he serves the real leader of the tory party well, the real leader being OsUnborne, freemason and member of the Bilderberg group, friends of the Rothschilds.......(C ameron is only the front man) So you see, the real agenda is to remove the public services, collapse the economy and put the whole country in poverty.....except for the top 1% of course, the ones with the off shore accounts, bloated with trillions of pounds of our money.......Wake up, all of you before its too late. Yes.... call me a conspiracy crank, but you could also do your own research and come up with the same answers and conclusions if you really wanted to jump down the rabbit hole and stopped buying the frozen bags of cut cabbage.[/p][/quote]I don't shop in Iceland, only Mums go to Iceland! Asda frozen cabbage is far superior. IronLady2010
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7:24pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!
ReverendPaul made a very good post above, seems there are some organisations still willing to contribute to society and help residents.
[quote][p][bold]DMDRED[/bold] wrote: I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people![/p][/quote]ReverendPaul made a very good post above, seems there are some organisations still willing to contribute to society and help residents. IronLady2010
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7:25pm Mon 12 Nov 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

THE BRICK wrote:
It appears that the vast majority of the posters just do not have a clue what is really happening do you?? Even if someone told you, you would still run home and switch on your TV soaps and buy your bags of frozen cut cabbage from Iceland. The real villains are the elite, the banksters and their puppets, the politicians, notice I make no differentiation here between any of the three main parties, they all dance to the same tune played by the same masters, or had that avoided your gaze.
Pickles is particular nasty piece of work, I am sure he serves the real leader of the tory party well, the real leader being OsUnborne, freemason and member of the Bilderberg group, friends of the Rothschilds.......(C

ameron is only the front man) So you see, the real agenda is to remove the public services, collapse the economy and put the whole country in poverty.....except for the top 1% of course, the ones with the off shore accounts, bloated with trillions of pounds of our money.......Wake up, all of you before its too late. Yes.... call me a conspiracy crank, but you could also do your own research and come up with the same answers and conclusions if you really wanted to jump down the rabbit hole and stopped buying the frozen bags of cut cabbage.
At least one person in this rapidly collapsing city is awake ,most are too lazy to find out the truth and continue the inter party bun fight , just ask them who owns the bank of england ,they hav,nt got a clue.
[quote][p][bold]THE BRICK[/bold] wrote: It appears that the vast majority of the posters just do not have a clue what is really happening do you?? Even if someone told you, you would still run home and switch on your TV soaps and buy your bags of frozen cut cabbage from Iceland. The real villains are the elite, the banksters and their puppets, the politicians, notice I make no differentiation here between any of the three main parties, they all dance to the same tune played by the same masters, or had that avoided your gaze. Pickles is particular nasty piece of work, I am sure he serves the real leader of the tory party well, the real leader being OsUnborne, freemason and member of the Bilderberg group, friends of the Rothschilds.......(C ameron is only the front man) So you see, the real agenda is to remove the public services, collapse the economy and put the whole country in poverty.....except for the top 1% of course, the ones with the off shore accounts, bloated with trillions of pounds of our money.......Wake up, all of you before its too late. Yes.... call me a conspiracy crank, but you could also do your own research and come up with the same answers and conclusions if you really wanted to jump down the rabbit hole and stopped buying the frozen bags of cut cabbage.[/p][/quote]At least one person in this rapidly collapsing city is awake ,most are too lazy to find out the truth and continue the inter party bun fight , just ask them who owns the bank of england ,they hav,nt got a clue. arthur dalyrimple
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7:40pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Nick Chaffey says...

No one in Southampton should accept these cuts. The cuts will hit all of us. Let's have the courage to stand together and fight for the city to protect the jobs and services we pay for. The ConDem austerity agenda is failing and is deeply unpopular. Opposition to the cuts is growing. If Labour don't like what they are being asked to do, then don't do it, refuse to implement the ConDem cuts. Coxford rebel councillors have received huge support for the stand they have taken from Coxford the wider community and the local trade unions. The city council has £70 million in reserves, use this money to protect jobs and services and build a mass campaign across the city to force the government to fully fund the services this city needs.
No one in Southampton should accept these cuts. The cuts will hit all of us. Let's have the courage to stand together and fight for the city to protect the jobs and services we pay for. The ConDem austerity agenda is failing and is deeply unpopular. Opposition to the cuts is growing. If Labour don't like what they are being asked to do, then don't do it, refuse to implement the ConDem cuts. Coxford rebel councillors have received huge support for the stand they have taken from Coxford the wider community and the local trade unions. The city council has £70 million in reserves, use this money to protect jobs and services and build a mass campaign across the city to force the government to fully fund the services this city needs. Nick Chaffey
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7:43pm Mon 12 Nov 12

geoff51 says...

DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!
Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.
[quote][p][bold]DMDRED[/bold] wrote: I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people![/p][/quote]Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems. We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle. geoff51
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7:45pm Mon 12 Nov 12

geoff51 says...

Nick Chaffey wrote:
No one in Southampton should accept these cuts. The cuts will hit all of us. Let's have the courage to stand together and fight for the city to protect the jobs and services we pay for. The ConDem austerity agenda is failing and is deeply unpopular. Opposition to the cuts is growing. If Labour don't like what they are being asked to do, then don't do it, refuse to implement the ConDem cuts. Coxford rebel councillors have received huge support for the stand they have taken from Coxford the wider community and the local trade unions. The city council has £70 million in reserves, use this money to protect jobs and services and build a mass campaign across the city to force the government to fully fund the services this city needs.
Southy's Buddy? only you talk as much gibberish as he does
[quote][p][bold]Nick Chaffey[/bold] wrote: No one in Southampton should accept these cuts. The cuts will hit all of us. Let's have the courage to stand together and fight for the city to protect the jobs and services we pay for. The ConDem austerity agenda is failing and is deeply unpopular. Opposition to the cuts is growing. If Labour don't like what they are being asked to do, then don't do it, refuse to implement the ConDem cuts. Coxford rebel councillors have received huge support for the stand they have taken from Coxford the wider community and the local trade unions. The city council has £70 million in reserves, use this money to protect jobs and services and build a mass campaign across the city to force the government to fully fund the services this city needs.[/p][/quote]Southy's Buddy? only you talk as much gibberish as he does geoff51
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7:49pm Mon 12 Nov 12

skin2000 says...

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
THE BRICK wrote:
It appears that the vast majority of the posters just do not have a clue what is really happening do you?? Even if someone told you, you would still run home and switch on your TV soaps and buy your bags of frozen cut cabbage from Iceland. The real villains are the elite, the banksters and their puppets, the politicians, notice I make no differentiation here between any of the three main parties, they all dance to the same tune played by the same masters, or had that avoided your gaze.
Pickles is particular nasty piece of work, I am sure he serves the real leader of the tory party well, the real leader being OsUnborne, freemason and member of the Bilderberg group, friends of the Rothschilds.......(C


ameron is only the front man) So you see, the real agenda is to remove the public services, collapse the economy and put the whole country in poverty.....except for the top 1% of course, the ones with the off shore accounts, bloated with trillions of pounds of our money.......Wake up, all of you before its too late. Yes.... call me a conspiracy crank, but you could also do your own research and come up with the same answers and conclusions if you really wanted to jump down the rabbit hole and stopped buying the frozen bags of cut cabbage.
At least one person in this rapidly collapsing city is awake ,most are too lazy to find out the truth and continue the inter party bun fight , just ask them who owns the bank of england ,they hav,nt got a clue.
It's okay they will just print some more money......
[quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THE BRICK[/bold] wrote: It appears that the vast majority of the posters just do not have a clue what is really happening do you?? Even if someone told you, you would still run home and switch on your TV soaps and buy your bags of frozen cut cabbage from Iceland. The real villains are the elite, the banksters and their puppets, the politicians, notice I make no differentiation here between any of the three main parties, they all dance to the same tune played by the same masters, or had that avoided your gaze. Pickles is particular nasty piece of work, I am sure he serves the real leader of the tory party well, the real leader being OsUnborne, freemason and member of the Bilderberg group, friends of the Rothschilds.......(C ameron is only the front man) So you see, the real agenda is to remove the public services, collapse the economy and put the whole country in poverty.....except for the top 1% of course, the ones with the off shore accounts, bloated with trillions of pounds of our money.......Wake up, all of you before its too late. Yes.... call me a conspiracy crank, but you could also do your own research and come up with the same answers and conclusions if you really wanted to jump down the rabbit hole and stopped buying the frozen bags of cut cabbage.[/p][/quote]At least one person in this rapidly collapsing city is awake ,most are too lazy to find out the truth and continue the inter party bun fight , just ask them who owns the bank of england ,they hav,nt got a clue.[/p][/quote]It's okay they will just print some more money...... skin2000
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7:56pm Mon 12 Nov 12

gillyman says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.
such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.[/p][/quote]such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work gillyman
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8:01pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

gillyman wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.
such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work
In fairness, this would have happened regardless who was running the Council, we all knew that, well apart from Labour who had to study the books for months to work it out.

I do feel these cuts are hitting too hard right now from Central Government. It's one thing trying to soften us up with taking on 3 major Companies over Tax, but hitting the elderly, disabled and children, is not what any of us want.
[quote][p][bold]gillyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.[/p][/quote]such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work[/p][/quote]In fairness, this would have happened regardless who was running the Council, we all knew that, well apart from Labour who had to study the books for months to work it out. I do feel these cuts are hitting too hard right now from Central Government. It's one thing trying to soften us up with taking on 3 major Companies over Tax, but hitting the elderly, disabled and children, is not what any of us want. IronLady2010
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8:07pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Maine Lobster says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
gillyman wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.
such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work
In fairness, this would have happened regardless who was running the Council, we all knew that, well apart from Labour who had to study the books for months to work it out.

I do feel these cuts are hitting too hard right now from Central Government. It's one thing trying to soften us up with taking on 3 major Companies over Tax, but hitting the elderly, disabled and children, is not what any of us want.
I have to agree with you, any Council would have the same budget problem. At least you acknowledge that unlike some of the otherTory posters who just want to bleat on.
Having said that, the Labour group had to study the books to believe how mich Royston Smith had spent on fancy projects and how much he had borrowed to fund some of it!
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gillyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.[/p][/quote]such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work[/p][/quote]In fairness, this would have happened regardless who was running the Council, we all knew that, well apart from Labour who had to study the books for months to work it out. I do feel these cuts are hitting too hard right now from Central Government. It's one thing trying to soften us up with taking on 3 major Companies over Tax, but hitting the elderly, disabled and children, is not what any of us want.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with you, any Council would have the same budget problem. At least you acknowledge that unlike some of the otherTory posters who just want to bleat on. Having said that, the Labour group had to study the books to believe how mich Royston Smith had spent on fancy projects and how much he had borrowed to fund some of it! Maine Lobster
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8:13pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
gillyman wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.
such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work
In fairness, this would have happened regardless who was running the Council, we all knew that, well apart from Labour who had to study the books for months to work it out.

I do feel these cuts are hitting too hard right now from Central Government. It's one thing trying to soften us up with taking on 3 major Companies over Tax, but hitting the elderly, disabled and children, is not what any of us want.
I have to agree with you, any Council would have the same budget problem. At least you acknowledge that unlike some of the otherTory posters who just want to bleat on.
Having said that, the Labour group had to study the books to believe how mich Royston Smith had spent on fancy projects and how much he had borrowed to fund some of it!
Let's be honest with one another, it shouldn't have taken so long to work it out. The City residents voted them in on the understanding they know what they are doing.

I don't blame Williams for making the cuts, I knew they would be made and also know more will follow, but why try and hide that fact? This is what gets peoples backs up.

I know it's hard to ask, but let's have some honesty in the future. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gillyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.[/p][/quote]such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work[/p][/quote]In fairness, this would have happened regardless who was running the Council, we all knew that, well apart from Labour who had to study the books for months to work it out. I do feel these cuts are hitting too hard right now from Central Government. It's one thing trying to soften us up with taking on 3 major Companies over Tax, but hitting the elderly, disabled and children, is not what any of us want.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with you, any Council would have the same budget problem. At least you acknowledge that unlike some of the otherTory posters who just want to bleat on. Having said that, the Labour group had to study the books to believe how mich Royston Smith had spent on fancy projects and how much he had borrowed to fund some of it![/p][/quote]Let's be honest with one another, it shouldn't have taken so long to work it out. The City residents voted them in on the understanding they know what they are doing. I don't blame Williams for making the cuts, I knew they would be made and also know more will follow, but why try and hide that fact? This is what gets peoples backs up. I know it's hard to ask, but let's have some honesty in the future. :-) IronLady2010
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8:24pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Maine Lobster says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
gillyman wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.
such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work
In fairness, this would have happened regardless who was running the Council, we all knew that, well apart from Labour who had to study the books for months to work it out.

I do feel these cuts are hitting too hard right now from Central Government. It's one thing trying to soften us up with taking on 3 major Companies over Tax, but hitting the elderly, disabled and children, is not what any of us want.
I have to agree with you, any Council would have the same budget problem. At least you acknowledge that unlike some of the otherTory posters who just want to bleat on.
Having said that, the Labour group had to study the books to believe how mich Royston Smith had spent on fancy projects and how much he had borrowed to fund some of it!
Let's be honest with one another, it shouldn't have taken so long to work it out. The City residents voted them in on the understanding they know what they are doing.

I don't blame Williams for making the cuts, I knew they would be made and also know more will follow, but why try and hide that fact? This is what gets peoples backs up.

I know it's hard to ask, but let's have some honesty in the future. :-)
I agree, however we all know politicians across the spectrum strive to get elected first and foremost. That tends to be tough if your manifesto is based around the whole truth!
I'm not sure they were voted in on the "understanding they knew what they were doing," rather on the discontent with the last administration and its electoral suicide by cutting the wages of many of the city's electorate & their families. Royston Smith normally boxes clever, but on that one score his judgement was way off and his party paid the price.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gillyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: We have a great labour council,2 hard working labour westminster MPs and a truly draconian tory/liberal coalition government.Shame on Cameron,Osborne,Cleg g and co for their inhumane cuts and terrible economic policies.[/p][/quote]such a great council and mps that 500 jobs at fords and 300 hundred council jobs gone not what i voted for blaming tories is a smoke screen for their lack of hard work[/p][/quote]In fairness, this would have happened regardless who was running the Council, we all knew that, well apart from Labour who had to study the books for months to work it out. I do feel these cuts are hitting too hard right now from Central Government. It's one thing trying to soften us up with taking on 3 major Companies over Tax, but hitting the elderly, disabled and children, is not what any of us want.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with you, any Council would have the same budget problem. At least you acknowledge that unlike some of the otherTory posters who just want to bleat on. Having said that, the Labour group had to study the books to believe how mich Royston Smith had spent on fancy projects and how much he had borrowed to fund some of it![/p][/quote]Let's be honest with one another, it shouldn't have taken so long to work it out. The City residents voted them in on the understanding they know what they are doing. I don't blame Williams for making the cuts, I knew they would be made and also know more will follow, but why try and hide that fact? This is what gets peoples backs up. I know it's hard to ask, but let's have some honesty in the future. :-)[/p][/quote]I agree, however we all know politicians across the spectrum strive to get elected first and foremost. That tends to be tough if your manifesto is based around the whole truth! I'm not sure they were voted in on the "understanding they knew what they were doing," rather on the discontent with the last administration and its electoral suicide by cutting the wages of many of the city's electorate & their families. Royston Smith normally boxes clever, but on that one score his judgement was way off and his party paid the price. Maine Lobster
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8:28pm Mon 12 Nov 12

huckit P says...

Well good people of Southampton. You voted for 'em and you got 'em. So you can't really complain. Neither can all the muppets working for the council who also voted for them. If there is no money you can't simply make it out of fresh air otherwise we'd all be millionaires.
Striking (or other industrial action) will not solve the problem but instead will make it far worse than it already is and only the blinkered, short-sighted myopics would be unable to see that. All I can say is "hurry up with the next elections".
Well good people of Southampton. You voted for 'em and you got 'em. So you can't really complain. Neither can all the muppets working for the council who also voted for them. If there is no money you can't simply make it out of fresh air otherwise we'd all be millionaires. Striking (or other industrial action) will not solve the problem but instead will make it far worse than it already is and only the blinkered, short-sighted myopics would be unable to see that. All I can say is "hurry up with the next elections". huckit P
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8:32pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

HillsidePaul wrote:
Most of the comments here are from right wing tory labdogs or single issue fantasists with no idea how Council funding works.

Gideon Osbourne and Eric Pickles have pulled of a masterstroke. They are idiologicaly committed to "small Government" but don't want to take the blame for service cuts. All Councils around the Country (of all parties) have been cutting back for years. There is no MASSIVE waste. And Pickles knows it.

So they penalise Councils if they raise Council tax and slash Govt grant at the same time. Then they hide in the shadows as Cllrs across the Country take the flack for cuts, assisted by local papers that love a sensationalist headline.
Absolutely spot on.

Pickles is the Government assassin, sent to destroy local Government whilst leaving the poor local Councillors to take the blame, even the Tories couldn't have delivered anything better than this.

Of course there is NO massive waste because of previous cutbacks in service delivery, Pickles have played a blinder, Osborne and his treasury chums must be rubbing their hands together with glee, they have all but crippled local Government without taking one ounce of blame.
[quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Most of the comments here are from right wing tory labdogs or single issue fantasists with no idea how Council funding works. Gideon Osbourne and Eric Pickles have pulled of a masterstroke. They are idiologicaly committed to "small Government" but don't want to take the blame for service cuts. All Councils around the Country (of all parties) have been cutting back for years. There is no MASSIVE waste. And Pickles knows it. So they penalise Councils if they raise Council tax and slash Govt grant at the same time. Then they hide in the shadows as Cllrs across the Country take the flack for cuts, assisted by local papers that love a sensationalist headline.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. Pickles is the Government assassin, sent to destroy local Government whilst leaving the poor local Councillors to take the blame, even the Tories couldn't have delivered anything better than this. Of course there is NO massive waste because of previous cutbacks in service delivery, Pickles have played a blinder, Osborne and his treasury chums must be rubbing their hands together with glee, they have all but crippled local Government without taking one ounce of blame. Over the Edge
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8:37pm Mon 12 Nov 12

cantthinkofone says...

huckit P wrote:
Well good people of Southampton. You voted for 'em and you got 'em. So you can't really complain. Neither can all the muppets working for the council who also voted for them. If there is no money you can't simply make it out of fresh air otherwise we'd all be millionaires.
Striking (or other industrial action) will not solve the problem but instead will make it far worse than it already is and only the blinkered, short-sighted myopics would be unable to see that. All I can say is "hurry up with the next elections".
Voting for the other lot wouldn't have made a jot of difference. I posted such on another story, so indulge me whilst I quote myself:

"You can't get a cigarette paper between the two parties these days. Labour have adopted your free-market neo-liberal agenda wholeheartedly. Things would be no better under the blue tories than the red tories (or the yellow tories for that matter).

The idea of democratic choice is (now more than ever) an illusion maintained solely to pacify the masses and give the political class a way of entertaining themselves."

As for there "not being any money" - at a national level, it's a lie.

There's more than enough wealth in the UK for everyone to live an extremely comfortable existence. The issue isn't a lack of wealth, it's that it's concentrated in a very small proportion of our society.

Neither is that "earned", barring the rare exception. Wealth begets wealth, and poverty begets poverty. The way the system is set up makes the growth of inequality inevitable.

It will continue this way, until people accept that they're being used and demand change. And asking nicely may not be enough.
[quote][p][bold]huckit P[/bold] wrote: Well good people of Southampton. You voted for 'em and you got 'em. So you can't really complain. Neither can all the muppets working for the council who also voted for them. If there is no money you can't simply make it out of fresh air otherwise we'd all be millionaires. Striking (or other industrial action) will not solve the problem but instead will make it far worse than it already is and only the blinkered, short-sighted myopics would be unable to see that. All I can say is "hurry up with the next elections".[/p][/quote]Voting for the other lot wouldn't have made a jot of difference. I posted such on another story, so indulge me whilst I quote myself: "You can't get a cigarette paper between the two parties these days. Labour have adopted your free-market neo-liberal agenda wholeheartedly. Things would be no better under the blue tories than the red tories (or the yellow tories for that matter). The idea of democratic choice is (now more than ever) an illusion maintained solely to pacify the masses and give the political class a way of entertaining themselves." As for there "not being any money" - at a national level, it's a lie. There's more than enough wealth in the UK for everyone to live an extremely comfortable existence. The issue isn't a lack of wealth, it's that it's concentrated in a very small proportion of our society. Neither is that "earned", barring the rare exception. Wealth begets wealth, and poverty begets poverty. The way the system is set up makes the growth of inequality inevitable. It will continue this way, until people accept that they're being used and demand change. And asking nicely may not be enough. cantthinkofone
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8:47pm Mon 12 Nov 12

skin2000 says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
huckit P wrote:
Well good people of Southampton. You voted for 'em and you got 'em. So you can't really complain. Neither can all the muppets working for the council who also voted for them. If there is no money you can't simply make it out of fresh air otherwise we'd all be millionaires.
Striking (or other industrial action) will not solve the problem but instead will make it far worse than it already is and only the blinkered, short-sighted myopics would be unable to see that. All I can say is "hurry up with the next elections".
Voting for the other lot wouldn't have made a jot of difference. I posted such on another story, so indulge me whilst I quote myself:

"You can't get a cigarette paper between the two parties these days. Labour have adopted your free-market neo-liberal agenda wholeheartedly. Things would be no better under the blue tories than the red tories (or the yellow tories for that matter).

The idea of democratic choice is (now more than ever) an illusion maintained solely to pacify the masses and give the political class a way of entertaining themselves."

As for there "not being any money" - at a national level, it's a lie.

There's more than enough wealth in the UK for everyone to live an extremely comfortable existence. The issue isn't a lack of wealth, it's that it's concentrated in a very small proportion of our society.

Neither is that "earned", barring the rare exception. Wealth begets wealth, and poverty begets poverty. The way the system is set up makes the growth of inequality inevitable.

It will continue this way, until people accept that they're being used and demand change. And asking nicely may not be enough.
Totally agree, people need to wake up to the fact that they are being screwed by this 1%?
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]huckit P[/bold] wrote: Well good people of Southampton. You voted for 'em and you got 'em. So you can't really complain. Neither can all the muppets working for the council who also voted for them. If there is no money you can't simply make it out of fresh air otherwise we'd all be millionaires. Striking (or other industrial action) will not solve the problem but instead will make it far worse than it already is and only the blinkered, short-sighted myopics would be unable to see that. All I can say is "hurry up with the next elections".[/p][/quote]Voting for the other lot wouldn't have made a jot of difference. I posted such on another story, so indulge me whilst I quote myself: "You can't get a cigarette paper between the two parties these days. Labour have adopted your free-market neo-liberal agenda wholeheartedly. Things would be no better under the blue tories than the red tories (or the yellow tories for that matter). The idea of democratic choice is (now more than ever) an illusion maintained solely to pacify the masses and give the political class a way of entertaining themselves." As for there "not being any money" - at a national level, it's a lie. There's more than enough wealth in the UK for everyone to live an extremely comfortable existence. The issue isn't a lack of wealth, it's that it's concentrated in a very small proportion of our society. Neither is that "earned", barring the rare exception. Wealth begets wealth, and poverty begets poverty. The way the system is set up makes the growth of inequality inevitable. It will continue this way, until people accept that they're being used and demand change. And asking nicely may not be enough.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, people need to wake up to the fact that they are being screwed by this 1%? skin2000
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8:51pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out." Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence? Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for. I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault? Who is the leader of this Council again? IronLady2010
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8:53pm Mon 12 Nov 12

cantthinkofone says...

This is a subject that many may want to discuss in more depth than this comments section allows.

I've set up a new general discussion board for the Solent area, and have added a thread for this topic here:

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This is a subject that many may want to discuss in more depth than this comments section allows. I've set up a new general discussion board for the Solent area, and have added a thread for this topic here: http://solentnow.pro boards.com/index.cgi ?action=display&boar d=news&thread=3 cantthinkofone
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8:58pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?
To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: "A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out." Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence? Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for. I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault? Who is the leader of this Council again?[/p][/quote]To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through. Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple.... Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it. Over the Edge
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9:03pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

Over the Edge wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?
To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.
I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: "A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out." Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence? Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for. I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault? Who is the leader of this Council again?[/p][/quote]To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through. Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple.... Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.[/p][/quote]I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that. IronLady2010
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9:26pm Mon 12 Nov 12

MGRA says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?
To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.
I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.
Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: "A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out." Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence? Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for. I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault? Who is the leader of this Council again?[/p][/quote]To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through. Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple.... Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.[/p][/quote]I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.[/p][/quote]Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic. MGRA
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9:40pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

MGRA wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?
To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.
I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.
Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.
Having lived in Eastleigh previously fortnightly collection worked as did waste food recycling and fortnightly paper re-cycling worked as well, we had 5 living in our and never struggled with our bins being full because we re-cycled religiously.

IronLady The only problem I see with fortnightly bins collections is people living in walk up or highrise tower blocks, but you keep them weekly and charge to council tax accordingly.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: "A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out." Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence? Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for. I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault? Who is the leader of this Council again?[/p][/quote]To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through. Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple.... Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.[/p][/quote]I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.[/p][/quote]Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.[/p][/quote]Having lived in Eastleigh previously fortnightly collection worked as did waste food recycling and fortnightly paper re-cycling worked as well, we had 5 living in our and never struggled with our bins being full because we re-cycled religiously. IronLady The only problem I see with fortnightly bins collections is people living in walk up or highrise tower blocks, but you keep them weekly and charge to council tax accordingly. Over the Edge
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9:43pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Rob444 says...

Looks like the Council's priorities need sorting out.

We can manage without Royston's Folly and the new art thing on the Tyrell and Green's site. These are not essential, unlike the services that are going to go.

One thing that puzzles me, is how outsourcing can save money. The outsourcing companies will need to make a profit and their employees will need paying, unless they are part of Cameron's failed Big Society, of course.
Looks like the Council's priorities need sorting out. We can manage without Royston's Folly and the new art thing on the Tyrell and Green's site. These are not essential, unlike the services that are going to go. One thing that puzzles me, is how outsourcing can save money. The outsourcing companies will need to make a profit and their employees will need paying, unless they are part of Cameron's failed Big Society, of course. Rob444
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9:44pm Mon 12 Nov 12

loosehead says...

I can't believe the lies of the left on these posts?
The Arts Quarter is being paid for by grants not council money & unless you have indisputable proof otherwise keep it out of this.
The Tories built new buildings giving jobs to people in the construction industry isn't that what the Labour Party are proposing at National level?
The Tory Council left an underspend in the bank so what happened to it?
The tories when they took control took a 5.5% cut in pay what did Labour do? Invented two cabinet posts costing more money.
The Tories had a New development for Townhill Park all drawn up & ready to go what did Labour do? Stopped it then reviewed it & changed it in such a way the residents didn't want it & it was costing £50million more?
The Tories had already put in place the application for extra money to keep weekly collections so what happened to it?
Didn't they have a review set up with the new cabinet post to look at fortnightly collections?
The Tories shouted it out loud restore pay & try to go ahead with all your promises you will have to have drastic cuts in services & jobs If I remember rightly the Labour Party the Unions & many of their supporters were saying this was lies So sorry who's LYING now?
You might all hate them But the TORY COUNCIL TOLD THE TRUTH they gave it straight & the only way you can defend Labour is to attack the best hope this City had.
SHAME ON LABOUR. I feel sorry for those council workers who have been betrayed by both the Unions & the Labour Council
I can't believe the lies of the left on these posts? The Arts Quarter is being paid for by grants not council money & unless you have indisputable proof otherwise keep it out of this. The Tories built new buildings giving jobs to people in the construction industry isn't that what the Labour Party are proposing at National level? The Tory Council left an underspend in the bank so what happened to it? The tories when they took control took a 5.5% cut in pay what did Labour do? Invented two cabinet posts costing more money. The Tories had a New development for Townhill Park all drawn up & ready to go what did Labour do? Stopped it then reviewed it & changed it in such a way the residents didn't want it & it was costing £50million more? The Tories had already put in place the application for extra money to keep weekly collections so what happened to it? Didn't they have a review set up with the new cabinet post to look at fortnightly collections? The Tories shouted it out loud restore pay & try to go ahead with all your promises you will have to have drastic cuts in services & jobs If I remember rightly the Labour Party the Unions & many of their supporters were saying this was lies So sorry who's LYING now? You might all hate them But the TORY COUNCIL TOLD THE TRUTH they gave it straight & the only way you can defend Labour is to attack the best hope this City had. SHAME ON LABOUR. I feel sorry for those council workers who have been betrayed by both the Unions & the Labour Council loosehead
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9:50pm Mon 12 Nov 12

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?
Do you mean the Letter that he wrote attacking me & blaming the Tories before he was supposed to know what the Council were proposing the same letter he wrote after he got his members to accept lower redundancy payments & lower pensions Oh! also stopping those payments they were going to win in court?
Ironlady the Unions & Labour new this was going to happen before the local election.
I would guess that it was changed at the last moment to save Mike Tucker Unison & Unites faces by cutting any post besides a refuse one for now & then blame the Government when they do cut those jobs.
These workers have been conned by both the Unions & the Local Labour Party
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: "A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out." Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence? Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for. I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault? Who is the leader of this Council again?[/p][/quote]Do you mean the Letter that he wrote attacking me & blaming the Tories before he was supposed to know what the Council were proposing the same letter he wrote after he got his members to accept lower redundancy payments & lower pensions Oh! also stopping those payments they were going to win in court? Ironlady the Unions & Labour new this was going to happen before the local election. I would guess that it was changed at the last moment to save Mike Tucker Unison & Unites faces by cutting any post besides a refuse one for now & then blame the Government when they do cut those jobs. These workers have been conned by both the Unions & the Local Labour Party loosehead
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9:53pm Mon 12 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Rob444 wrote:
Looks like the Council's priorities need sorting out.

We can manage without Royston's Folly and the new art thing on the Tyrell and Green's site. These are not essential, unlike the services that are going to go.

One thing that puzzles me, is how outsourcing can save money. The outsourcing companies will need to make a profit and their employees will need paying, unless they are part of Cameron's failed Big Society, of course.
Have you been suckered into that lie?
Not a penny of our money is going into that project it's all National lottery, Arts Council & several other grant bodies
[quote][p][bold]Rob444[/bold] wrote: Looks like the Council's priorities need sorting out. We can manage without Royston's Folly and the new art thing on the Tyrell and Green's site. These are not essential, unlike the services that are going to go. One thing that puzzles me, is how outsourcing can save money. The outsourcing companies will need to make a profit and their employees will need paying, unless they are part of Cameron's failed Big Society, of course.[/p][/quote]Have you been suckered into that lie? Not a penny of our money is going into that project it's all National lottery, Arts Council & several other grant bodies loosehead
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9:56pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?
Do you mean the Letter that he wrote attacking me & blaming the Tories before he was supposed to know what the Council were proposing the same letter he wrote after he got his members to accept lower redundancy payments & lower pensions Oh! also stopping those payments they were going to win in court?
Ironlady the Unions & Labour new this was going to happen before the local election.
I would guess that it was changed at the last moment to save Mike Tucker Unison & Unites faces by cutting any post besides a refuse one for now & then blame the Government when they do cut those jobs.
These workers have been conned by both the Unions & the Local Labour Party
I agree, the workers have indeed been set up. I bashed these workers last year, but right now, actually feel for them as they have been led up the garden path.

I could be like Southy and say I told you so, but there is no point. They still have families to feed and I do, genuinely feel for them. They couldn't have been more stitched up if we tried.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: "A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out." Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence? Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for. I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault? Who is the leader of this Council again?[/p][/quote]Do you mean the Letter that he wrote attacking me & blaming the Tories before he was supposed to know what the Council were proposing the same letter he wrote after he got his members to accept lower redundancy payments & lower pensions Oh! also stopping those payments they were going to win in court? Ironlady the Unions & Labour new this was going to happen before the local election. I would guess that it was changed at the last moment to save Mike Tucker Unison & Unites faces by cutting any post besides a refuse one for now & then blame the Government when they do cut those jobs. These workers have been conned by both the Unions & the Local Labour Party[/p][/quote]I agree, the workers have indeed been set up. I bashed these workers last year, but right now, actually feel for them as they have been led up the garden path. I could be like Southy and say I told you so, but there is no point. They still have families to feed and I do, genuinely feel for them. They couldn't have been more stitched up if we tried. IronLady2010
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9:59pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?
Do you mean the Letter that he wrote attacking me & blaming the Tories before he was supposed to know what the Council were proposing the same letter he wrote after he got his members to accept lower redundancy payments & lower pensions Oh! also stopping those payments they were going to win in court?
Ironlady the Unions & Labour new this was going to happen before the local election.
I would guess that it was changed at the last moment to save Mike Tucker Unison & Unites faces by cutting any post besides a refuse one for now & then blame the Government when they do cut those jobs.
These workers have been conned by both the Unions & the Local Labour Party
I agree, the workers have indeed been set up. I bashed these workers last year, but right now, actually feel for them as they have been led up the garden path.

I could be like Southy and say I told you so, but there is no point. They still have families to feed and I do, genuinely feel for them. They couldn't have been more stitched up if we tried.
BTW, I did mean the letter about you :-) which I thought was highly amusing.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: "A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out." Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence? Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for. I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault? Who is the leader of this Council again?[/p][/quote]Do you mean the Letter that he wrote attacking me & blaming the Tories before he was supposed to know what the Council were proposing the same letter he wrote after he got his members to accept lower redundancy payments & lower pensions Oh! also stopping those payments they were going to win in court? Ironlady the Unions & Labour new this was going to happen before the local election. I would guess that it was changed at the last moment to save Mike Tucker Unison & Unites faces by cutting any post besides a refuse one for now & then blame the Government when they do cut those jobs. These workers have been conned by both the Unions & the Local Labour Party[/p][/quote]I agree, the workers have indeed been set up. I bashed these workers last year, but right now, actually feel for them as they have been led up the garden path. I could be like Southy and say I told you so, but there is no point. They still have families to feed and I do, genuinely feel for them. They couldn't have been more stitched up if we tried.[/p][/quote]BTW, I did mean the letter about you :-) which I thought was highly amusing. IronLady2010
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10:21pm Mon 12 Nov 12

Rob444 says...

loosehead wrote:
Rob444 wrote:
Looks like the Council's priorities need sorting out.

We can manage without Royston's Folly and the new art thing on the Tyrell and Green's site. These are not essential, unlike the services that are going to go.

One thing that puzzles me, is how outsourcing can save money. The outsourcing companies will need to make a profit and their employees will need paying, unless they are part of Cameron's failed Big Society, of course.
Have you been suckered into that lie?
Not a penny of our money is going into that project it's all National lottery, Arts Council & several other grant bodies
And the running costs? Heating, lighting, staffing etc.?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rob444[/bold] wrote: Looks like the Council's priorities need sorting out. We can manage without Royston's Folly and the new art thing on the Tyrell and Green's site. These are not essential, unlike the services that are going to go. One thing that puzzles me, is how outsourcing can save money. The outsourcing companies will need to make a profit and their employees will need paying, unless they are part of Cameron's failed Big Society, of course.[/p][/quote]Have you been suckered into that lie? Not a penny of our money is going into that project it's all National lottery, Arts Council & several other grant bodies[/p][/quote]And the running costs? Heating, lighting, staffing etc.? Rob444
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10:22pm Mon 12 Nov 12

imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere says...

nedscrumpo wrote:
That will mean no council run children's homes in the city. Only alternative privately run and expensive children's homes out of the area.
No it's doesn't, we have another one in the city which remains untouched (directly) by the cuts. Please get your facts right before scaremongering.
[quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote: That will mean no council run children's homes in the city. Only alternative privately run and expensive children's homes out of the area.[/p][/quote]No it's doesn't, we have another one in the city which remains untouched (directly) by the cuts. Please get your facts right before scaremongering. imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere
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10:27pm Mon 12 Nov 12

imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
What's important right now is how we deal with these cuts as a City. No point in placing blame for what's already been done by either side.

For example, if Unions take members out on strike again, will this cost the City more money and therefore increase the job losses.

We have to start working together and get our City through this difficult time.

Good luck all. x
This is the first comment i've read on here where someone seems to have applied common sense-thank you! No-one working for the council wants these cuts but they are here no matter what administration is governing the City. We have to rally around, stop wasting energy arguing about whose fault it is and get on with finding money saving solutions to help everyone who lives in Southampton through the dark times ahead. Thise who work for the city in social care have those vulnerable people we work with at the heart of everything they do and for anyone who disagrees spend a week in our shoes then see how much your views change.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: What's important right now is how we deal with these cuts as a City. No point in placing blame for what's already been done by either side. For example, if Unions take members out on strike again, will this cost the City more money and therefore increase the job losses. We have to start working together and get our City through this difficult time. Good luck all. x[/p][/quote]This is the first comment i've read on here where someone seems to have applied common sense-thank you! No-one working for the council wants these cuts but they are here no matter what administration is governing the City. We have to rally around, stop wasting energy arguing about whose fault it is and get on with finding money saving solutions to help everyone who lives in Southampton through the dark times ahead. Thise who work for the city in social care have those vulnerable people we work with at the heart of everything they do and for anyone who disagrees spend a week in our shoes then see how much your views change. imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere
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10:32pm Mon 12 Nov 12

imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere says...

geoff51 wrote:
DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!
Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.
Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DMDRED[/bold] wrote: I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people![/p][/quote]Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems. We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.[/p][/quote]Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!? imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere
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10:32pm Mon 12 Nov 12

George4th says...

This current Labour Council is as inept as all previous Labour Councils. Their record for the people of Southampton is Zilch! Where are their legacies from previously ruling Southampton?
Correct! There aren't any!
And the good Citizens of Southampton wonder why we can't attract businesses to our City! So many businesses have left Southampton in the past 30 years and all under Labour. Of course, the Unions didn't help with their constant striking or threats to strike - where/when did the Unions ever win anything in Southampton!
This current Labour Council is as inept as all previous Labour Councils. Their record for the people of Southampton is Zilch! Where are their legacies from previously ruling Southampton? Correct! There aren't any! And the good Citizens of Southampton wonder why we can't attract businesses to our City! So many businesses have left Southampton in the past 30 years and all under Labour. Of course, the Unions didn't help with their constant striking or threats to strike - where/when did the Unions ever win anything in Southampton! George4th
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10:35pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

George4th wrote:
This current Labour Council is as inept as all previous Labour Councils. Their record for the people of Southampton is Zilch! Where are their legacies from previously ruling Southampton?
Correct! There aren't any!
And the good Citizens of Southampton wonder why we can't attract businesses to our City! So many businesses have left Southampton in the past 30 years and all under Labour. Of course, the Unions didn't help with their constant striking or threats to strike - where/when did the Unions ever win anything in Southampton!
They won a Labour vote in May! LOL
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: This current Labour Council is as inept as all previous Labour Councils. Their record for the people of Southampton is Zilch! Where are their legacies from previously ruling Southampton? Correct! There aren't any! And the good Citizens of Southampton wonder why we can't attract businesses to our City! So many businesses have left Southampton in the past 30 years and all under Labour. Of course, the Unions didn't help with their constant striking or threats to strike - where/when did the Unions ever win anything in Southampton![/p][/quote]They won a Labour vote in May! LOL IronLady2010
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10:38pm Mon 12 Nov 12

George4th says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
George4th wrote:
This current Labour Council is as inept as all previous Labour Councils. Their record for the people of Southampton is Zilch! Where are their legacies from previously ruling Southampton?
Correct! There aren't any!
And the good Citizens of Southampton wonder why we can't attract businesses to our City! So many businesses have left Southampton in the past 30 years and all under Labour. Of course, the Unions didn't help with their constant striking or threats to strike - where/when did the Unions ever win anything in Southampton!
They won a Labour vote in May! LOL
I walked into that one! :-)
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: This current Labour Council is as inept as all previous Labour Councils. Their record for the people of Southampton is Zilch! Where are their legacies from previously ruling Southampton? Correct! There aren't any! And the good Citizens of Southampton wonder why we can't attract businesses to our City! So many businesses have left Southampton in the past 30 years and all under Labour. Of course, the Unions didn't help with their constant striking or threats to strike - where/when did the Unions ever win anything in Southampton![/p][/quote]They won a Labour vote in May! LOL[/p][/quote]I walked into that one! :-) George4th
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10:48pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

imasocialworkergetme
outofhere
wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!
Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.
Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?
I have to agree, support workers salaries are the lowest, this is why you see so many complaints of poor standards, because those who are qualified and looking for higher salaries won't take the job, so you end up with unqualified people, who often don't give a danm. (spelt wrong to avoid filter).
[quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DMDRED[/bold] wrote: I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people![/p][/quote]Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems. We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.[/p][/quote]Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?[/p][/quote]I have to agree, support workers salaries are the lowest, this is why you see so many complaints of poor standards, because those who are qualified and looking for higher salaries won't take the job, so you end up with unqualified people, who often don't give a danm. (spelt wrong to avoid filter). IronLady2010
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11:08pm Mon 12 Nov 12

geoff51 says...

imasocialworkergetme
outofhere
wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!
Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.
Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?
One where parents take responsibility for their offspring and dont use them to obtain better benefits! By support workers i dont mean the people that go in to homes to help the aged and disabled. I mean the made up jobs like outreach workers, awareness officers, diversity advisors etc who are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard and earn three times as much as those that do the caring.
[quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DMDRED[/bold] wrote: I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people![/p][/quote]Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems. We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.[/p][/quote]Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?[/p][/quote]One where parents take responsibility for their offspring and dont use them to obtain better benefits! By support workers i dont mean the people that go in to homes to help the aged and disabled. I mean the made up jobs like outreach workers, awareness officers, diversity advisors etc who are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard and earn three times as much as those that do the caring. geoff51
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11:19pm Mon 12 Nov 12

imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere says...

geoff51 wrote:
imasocialworkergetme

outofhere
wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!
Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.
Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?
One where parents take responsibility for their offspring and dont use them to obtain better benefits! By support workers i dont mean the people that go in to homes to help the aged and disabled. I mean the made up jobs like outreach workers, awareness officers, diversity advisors etc who are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard and earn three times as much as those that do the caring.
Please just be mindful that 'outreach workers' are often those who do direct care for vulnerable people. I was myself an 'outreach worker' providing respite for children with autism whose parents did their absolute best and were hardworking contributors to society, but had children with a very challenging and demanding condition. I'm all for getting rid of people that advise rather than do though!
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DMDRED[/bold] wrote: I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people![/p][/quote]Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems. We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.[/p][/quote]Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?[/p][/quote]One where parents take responsibility for their offspring and dont use them to obtain better benefits! By support workers i dont mean the people that go in to homes to help the aged and disabled. I mean the made up jobs like outreach workers, awareness officers, diversity advisors etc who are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard and earn three times as much as those that do the caring.[/p][/quote]Please just be mindful that 'outreach workers' are often those who do direct care for vulnerable people. I was myself an 'outreach worker' providing respite for children with autism whose parents did their absolute best and were hardworking contributors to society, but had children with a very challenging and demanding condition. I'm all for getting rid of people that advise rather than do though! imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere
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11:24pm Mon 12 Nov 12

imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
imasocialworkergetme

outofhere
wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!
Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.
Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?
I have to agree, support workers salaries are the lowest, this is why you see so many complaints of poor standards, because those who are qualified and looking for higher salaries won't take the job, so you end up with unqualified people, who often don't give a danm. (spelt wrong to avoid filter).
There are some support workers who do a **** sight better job than qualified workers. Many are in a job with rubbish pay taking rubbish from people (familes and the public like some critics on this page) all to make children's lives better. It isn't the childrens fault that they are parented the way they are and there aren't many who would stick around in a job like this unless they were dedicated and committed-you'd have to be to do it for the money they get!
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DMDRED[/bold] wrote: I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people![/p][/quote]Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems. We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.[/p][/quote]Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?[/p][/quote]I have to agree, support workers salaries are the lowest, this is why you see so many complaints of poor standards, because those who are qualified and looking for higher salaries won't take the job, so you end up with unqualified people, who often don't give a danm. (spelt wrong to avoid filter).[/p][/quote]There are some support workers who do a **** sight better job than qualified workers. Many are in a job with rubbish pay taking rubbish from people (familes and the public like some critics on this page) all to make children's lives better. It isn't the childrens fault that they are parented the way they are and there aren't many who would stick around in a job like this unless they were dedicated and committed-you'd have to be to do it for the money they get! imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere
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11:28pm Mon 12 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

imasocialworkergetme
outofhere
wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
imasocialworkergetme


outofhere
wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
DMDRED wrote:
I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people!
Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems.
We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.
Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?
I have to agree, support workers salaries are the lowest, this is why you see so many complaints of poor standards, because those who are qualified and looking for higher salaries won't take the job, so you end up with unqualified people, who often don't give a danm. (spelt wrong to avoid filter).
There are some support workers who do a **** sight better job than qualified workers. Many are in a job with rubbish pay taking rubbish from people (familes and the public like some critics on this page) all to make children's lives better. It isn't the childrens fault that they are parented the way they are and there aren't many who would stick around in a job like this unless they were dedicated and committed-you'd have to be to do it for the money they get!
My hubby is an outreach worker, so I do understand what you're saying. Although he works for a charity, rather than Council, although the funding comes from the same place.
[quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DMDRED[/bold] wrote: I feel for the young people who access the cities youth clubs to escape unhappy homes, bullying peers or difficult school days. Those who are unsure about their sexuality, need support finding employment or training. I feel for the young people who need 1-1 support from the cities youth workers because they have no confidence or self esteem, those who are at risk of school exclusion and need someone to show them how to stay on the street and narrow. What will become of these young people when no one it there to support them??? Sorry times ahead for the cities young people![/p][/quote]Maybe their feckless parents could get off their fat a$$es and look after their own children instead of expecting the state to raise them and deal with their problems. We can no longer afford to support the support workers on bloated salaries because their parents are either in the pub or sat with their cans watching Jeremy Kyle.[/p][/quote]Support workers on bloated salaries-what planet do you live on?!?[/p][/quote]I have to agree, support workers salaries are the lowest, this is why you see so many complaints of poor standards, because those who are qualified and looking for higher salaries won't take the job, so you end up with unqualified people, who often don't give a danm. (spelt wrong to avoid filter).[/p][/quote]There are some support workers who do a **** sight better job than qualified workers. Many are in a job with rubbish pay taking rubbish from people (familes and the public like some critics on this page) all to make children's lives better. It isn't the childrens fault that they are parented the way they are and there aren't many who would stick around in a job like this unless they were dedicated and committed-you'd have to be to do it for the money they get![/p][/quote]My hubby is an outreach worker, so I do understand what you're saying. Although he works for a charity, rather than Council, although the funding comes from the same place. IronLady2010
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1:44am Tue 13 Nov 12

kingnotail says...

MGRA wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?
To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.
I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.
Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.
Can't even put glass in the recycling bin!! Southampton is the crappest place I've ever had the misfortune to end up in.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: "A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out." Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence? Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for. I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault? Who is the leader of this Council again?[/p][/quote]To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through. Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple.... Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.[/p][/quote]I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.[/p][/quote]Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.[/p][/quote]Can't even put glass in the recycling bin!! Southampton is the crappest place I've ever had the misfortune to end up in. kingnotail
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1:48am Tue 13 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

kingnotail wrote:
MGRA wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?
To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.
I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.
Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.
Can't even put glass in the recycling bin!! Southampton is the crappest place I've ever had the misfortune to end up in.
Move elsewhere if you feel southampton is crap. I'm not forcing you to stay here and you obviously don't like the place. Freedom of choice and all that. Leave it to us to sort the place out ;-)
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: "A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out." Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence? Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for. I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault? Who is the leader of this Council again?[/p][/quote]To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through. Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple.... Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.[/p][/quote]I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.[/p][/quote]Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.[/p][/quote]Can't even put glass in the recycling bin!! Southampton is the crappest place I've ever had the misfortune to end up in.[/p][/quote]Move elsewhere if you feel southampton is crap. I'm not forcing you to stay here and you obviously don't like the place. Freedom of choice and all that. Leave it to us to sort the place out ;-) IronLady2010
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1:55am Tue 13 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
MGRA wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
"A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out."

Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence?

Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for.

I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault?

Who is the leader of this Council again?
To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through.

Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple....

Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.
I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.
Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.
Can't even put glass in the recycling bin!! Southampton is the crappest place I've ever had the misfortune to end up in.
Move elsewhere if you feel southampton is crap. I'm not forcing you to stay here and you obviously don't like the place. Freedom of choice and all that. Leave it to us to sort the place out ;-)
Take your glass to a recycling point, there are loads everywhere. Most major supermarkets have glass collection points aswell as Council Estates.

Stop moaning.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: "A mass meeting of union members has been called for Thursday to decide what action to take in response to the job losses. Industrial action has not been ruled out." Can the Unions not just post a form out with options so it's all above board with no influence? Let's be honest, there will be a speaker at this meeting 'guiding' members and selling them the bosses thoughts. Then the main group of bullies will intimidate others on what to vote for. I think Mike Tuckers letter to the Echo, printed online on 31st October suggests there will be no strike as it's all Roystons fault and nothing to do with Labour. Why strike against Labour when it's all Royston's fault? Who is the leader of this Council again?[/p][/quote]To be honest I don't think they will strike,, I believe the unions rep's have been consulted all the way through. Mike Tucker has to justify his job, that's why the meeting is being called,,,,can't see there's much to discuss,,,it's got to happen plain and simple.... Personally I'm not against fortnightly bins collections if it save money,,,yes some binmen will go,,,but if it means saving some children services then so be it.[/p][/quote]I do agree, I could also cope with fortnightly bin collections, but could larger households? I don't know the answer to that.[/p][/quote]Eastleigh have 14 week bin collections but the union-puppet-labour council are welded to the 1970s.So weekly it is. Sweden recycles 98% of its waste. Southampton is pre-historic.[/p][/quote]Can't even put glass in the recycling bin!! Southampton is the crappest place I've ever had the misfortune to end up in.[/p][/quote]Move elsewhere if you feel southampton is crap. I'm not forcing you to stay here and you obviously don't like the place. Freedom of choice and all that. Leave it to us to sort the place out ;-)[/p][/quote]Take your glass to a recycling point, there are loads everywhere. Most major supermarkets have glass collection points aswell as Council Estates. Stop moaning. IronLady2010
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2:17am Tue 13 Nov 12

Rights&Justice4YP says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace!
1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity!
Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets
Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/
teenage pregnancy
Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold
Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT Rights&Justice4YP
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7:38am Tue 13 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Rights&Justice4Y
P
wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace!
1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity!
Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets
Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/

teenage pregnancy
Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold
Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts?
Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's?
Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections.
It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections.
Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done?
Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay?
Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts.
Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners!
I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure
[quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT[/p][/quote]Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure loosehead
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11:55am Tue 13 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure
Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT[/p][/quote]Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure[/p][/quote]Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice. thinklikealocal
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2:38pm Tue 13 Nov 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure
Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.
Look at the figures the last Tory council had posted for every one to see & I think the maximum was 800 not 1,500 like Williams said he would make redundant?
I think you've got Christmas on your mind & your thinking of Mistletoe or why else do you keep on about my Lips?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT[/p][/quote]Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure[/p][/quote]Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.[/p][/quote]Look at the figures the last Tory council had posted for every one to see & I think the maximum was 800 not 1,500 like Williams said he would make redundant? I think you've got Christmas on your mind & your thinking of Mistletoe or why else do you keep on about my Lips? loosehead
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10:38pm Tue 13 Nov 12

imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure
Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.
The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT[/p][/quote]Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure[/p][/quote]Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.[/p][/quote]The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living? imasocialworkergetmeoutofhere
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7:42am Wed 14 Nov 12

loosehead says...

imasocialworkergetme
outofhere
wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure
Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.
The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?
So how much would scraping a living be?
I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?
[quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT[/p][/quote]Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure[/p][/quote]Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.[/p][/quote]The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?[/p][/quote]So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living? loosehead
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8:49pm Wed 14 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure
Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.
The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?
So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?
Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT[/p][/quote]Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure[/p][/quote]Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.[/p][/quote]The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?[/p][/quote]So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?[/p][/quote]Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line. thinklikealocal
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9:36pm Wed 14 Nov 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure
Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.
The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?
So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?
Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.
Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15).
I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't?
I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did.
The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all.
( my teachers name was Holt)
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT[/p][/quote]Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure[/p][/quote]Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.[/p][/quote]The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?[/p][/quote]So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?[/p][/quote]Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.[/p][/quote]Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt) loosehead
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10:16pm Wed 14 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure
Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.
The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?
So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?
Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.
Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)
Another perfect example of your ranting. Your post was about earnings. Now, it is about a whole host if other things. Get some therapy, you have a big chip on your shoulder.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT[/p][/quote]Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure[/p][/quote]Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.[/p][/quote]The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?[/p][/quote]So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?[/p][/quote]Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.[/p][/quote]Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)[/p][/quote]Another perfect example of your ranting. Your post was about earnings. Now, it is about a whole host if other things. Get some therapy, you have a big chip on your shoulder. thinklikealocal
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6:35am Thu 15 Nov 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure
Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.
The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?
So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?
Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.
Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)
Another perfect example of your ranting. Your post was about earnings. Now, it is about a whole host if other things. Get some therapy, you have a big chip on your shoulder.
What was the name of that young boy who died due to the failure of highly educated Social Workers?
You changed the subject going on about how educated they were & I showed you it's not a good education that spots child abuse.
I was asking how much you & these social Workers earn?
Surely as one of them has said they'd be scraping the barrel if they kept the pay cuts it would be a good idea to show how lowly paid they are wouldn't it?
Or is it because scraping the barrel was going a tad over the top PLEASE tell us more or will you just attack me again?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT[/p][/quote]Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure[/p][/quote]Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.[/p][/quote]The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?[/p][/quote]So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?[/p][/quote]Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.[/p][/quote]Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)[/p][/quote]Another perfect example of your ranting. Your post was about earnings. Now, it is about a whole host if other things. Get some therapy, you have a big chip on your shoulder.[/p][/quote]What was the name of that young boy who died due to the failure of highly educated Social Workers? You changed the subject going on about how educated they were & I showed you it's not a good education that spots child abuse. I was asking how much you & these social Workers earn? Surely as one of them has said they'd be scraping the barrel if they kept the pay cuts it would be a good idea to show how lowly paid they are wouldn't it? Or is it because scraping the barrel was going a tad over the top PLEASE tell us more or will you just attack me again? loosehead
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5:43pm Thu 15 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure
Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.
The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?
So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?
Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.
Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)
Another perfect example of your ranting. Your post was about earnings. Now, it is about a whole host if other things. Get some therapy, you have a big chip on your shoulder.
What was the name of that young boy who died due to the failure of highly educated Social Workers? You changed the subject going on about how educated they were & I showed you it's not a good education that spots child abuse. I was asking how much you & these social Workers earn? Surely as one of them has said they'd be scraping the barrel if they kept the pay cuts it would be a good idea to show how lowly paid they are wouldn't it? Or is it because scraping the barrel was going a tad over the top PLEASE tell us more or will you just attack me again?
Shame on you.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT[/p][/quote]Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure[/p][/quote]Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.[/p][/quote]The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?[/p][/quote]So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?[/p][/quote]Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.[/p][/quote]Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)[/p][/quote]Another perfect example of your ranting. Your post was about earnings. Now, it is about a whole host if other things. Get some therapy, you have a big chip on your shoulder.[/p][/quote]What was the name of that young boy who died due to the failure of highly educated Social Workers? You changed the subject going on about how educated they were & I showed you it's not a good education that spots child abuse. I was asking how much you & these social Workers earn? Surely as one of them has said they'd be scraping the barrel if they kept the pay cuts it would be a good idea to show how lowly paid they are wouldn't it? Or is it because scraping the barrel was going a tad over the top PLEASE tell us more or will you just attack me again?[/p][/quote]Shame on you. thinklikealocal
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6:07pm Thu 15 Nov 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
imasocialworkergetme outofhere wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Rights&Justice4Y P wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?
These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT
Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure
Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.
The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?
So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?
Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.
Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)
Another perfect example of your ranting. Your post was about earnings. Now, it is about a whole host if other things. Get some therapy, you have a big chip on your shoulder.
What was the name of that young boy who died due to the failure of highly educated Social Workers? You changed the subject going on about how educated they were & I showed you it's not a good education that spots child abuse. I was asking how much you & these social Workers earn? Surely as one of them has said they'd be scraping the barrel if they kept the pay cuts it would be a good idea to show how lowly paid they are wouldn't it? Or is it because scraping the barrel was going a tad over the top PLEASE tell us more or will you just attack me again?
Shame on you.
Shame on me?
Before you or any worker comes on with statements like scrapping a living why not show how much you would earn & let us see how low your pay would be?
some one said it would only cost £0.6 million to restore the pay? are they having a laugh?
Even Letts & Williams have said it would be at least £7million so where did imasocialworkergetme
outofhere get that crazy figure from?
the £3million saved from court action will be used to restore the £17,500-£22,000 brackets wages so what about the rest of you?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imasocialworkergetme outofhere[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Youth services and a children's home? This is terrible, why make the kids suffer?[/p][/quote]These cuts are a disgrace! 1 and 1/2 Trillion £££ of Tax Payers £££ given to the bankers, all the greedy gamblers that went bust and they wont even lend a few quid for young people on deprived housing estates who cant afford to go swimming or football! Youth Clubs bring opportunity! Youth Clubs keep kids of the dangerous streets Youth Workers steer kids away from alcohol/drugs/gangs/ teenage pregnancy Youth Support Workers are worth their weight in gold Call this a democracy? This is a disgrace...SHAME ON THIS LIB/CON GOVERNMENT[/p][/quote]Government? Did the Government create two cabinet posts? Isn't the Government redrawing the electoral boundaries meaning we'll have less MP's? Labour knew the size of the budget they had before the local elections. It now looks they're waiting to see if the Tory yes Tory application for funding of weekly bin collections gets passed & we get funding or we will have fortnightly collections. Wasn't it Labour & the Unions who were accusing the Tories of having plans to do exactly what they've just done? Wasn't it Council Workers like ThinkLikeALocal who were saying lose jobs don't cut pay? Refuse men who after the first & then more of them after the last offer by the council wouldn't have taken a cut at all went on strike in support of the ones who would only for people from Eastleigh to advocate job cuts. Labour could quite easily not have invented those cabinet posts been honest before the election & said we can't afford to restore pay but they owe the Refuse workers power so these will maybe not go but might go? reduced redundancy pay reduced pensions these were both agreed by the Conveners & the minority of Union members were advised to accept & they did? Shame on those Union Conveners! I said take the pay cut save your jobs. I said delay the vote until after the budget announcement I've been called a hypocrite A liar & God knows what else but Who was giving good advice? It Wasn't Mike Tucker that's for sure[/p][/quote]Looselips, how many less jobs do you think would be going if the pay cuts had not been reversed? Please don't rant in you response, a simple response will suffice.[/p][/quote]The restoration of the paycuts amounts to £0.6 million, which is 2% of what they need to save this year. Compare that with the highly inflated cost of agency social care staff that would be employed as people are forced to leave their social care jobs as they can't afford to go to work anymore. And i'm not exaggerating-by time i pay out for increasing child care costs and cost of living expenses it truly isn't finiancially worth while to go to work-but as a social worker i love my job and am committed to the vulnerable children of this city so why shouldn't i be paid enough to scrape a living?[/p][/quote]So how much would scraping a living be? I earn £18,000 a year before tax what would you earn to be scraping a living?[/p][/quote]Looselips, don't compare yourself to a Social Worker. They are degree educated professionals. By your own admission the height of your employment achievement was the high speed machine on the production line.[/p][/quote]Fine unlike many who's families allowed them to go on to further education my Mum made me go to work as soon as I was old enough to leave school (15). I have passed level one ECDL to get into BAT you had to pass an IQ test not GCSE level but sorry this wasn't questioning some ones intelligence this was questioning the Scraping of the Barrel wages they earn't so Exactly how much do they earn? How much did you say you earn't? I was 13years of age I went to my teacher & showed him where my mum had hit me with bamboo canes & a poker he called in a social worker who took me home to my mum & she had been informed what was happening she got one of my brothers to acquire extra food ( at no cost) for the children sat them down & told them this is what they'd get if they said I was lying so they did. The social worker believed them even after seeing the cuts & bruises on me & went away only for me to be beat up by my mum & my eldest brother who was 20 so sorry your highly educated people do not have my respect at all. ( my teachers name was Holt)[/p][/quote]Another perfect example of your ranting. Your post was about earnings. Now, it is about a whole host if other things. Get some therapy, you have a big chip on your shoulder.[/p][/quote]What was the name of that young boy who died due to the failure of highly educated Social Workers? You changed the subject going on about how educated they were & I showed you it's not a good education that spots child abuse. I was asking how much you & these social Workers earn? Surely as one of them has said they'd be scraping the barrel if they kept the pay cuts it would be a good idea to show how lowly paid they are wouldn't it? Or is it because scraping the barrel was going a tad over the top PLEASE tell us more or will you just attack me again?[/p][/quote]Shame on you.[/p][/quote]Shame on me? Before you or any worker comes on with statements like scrapping a living why not show how much you would earn & let us see how low your pay would be? some one said it would only cost £0.6 million to restore the pay? are they having a laugh? Even Letts & Williams have said it would be at least £7million so where did imasocialworkergetme outofhere get that crazy figure from? the £3million saved from court action will be used to restore the £17,500-£22,000 brackets wages so what about the rest of you? loosehead
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