Investigation into Townhill Park rent increase consultation

Daily Echo: Rent hike probe may halt estate rebuild Rent hike probe may halt estate rebuild

The decision to start rebuilding a Southampton estate could be put on hold over concerns residents were not properly told of how much their rents would rise.

It comes after the Daily Echo reported yesterday how council tenants claimed they had not been told that some rents could double if they were to return to live in the revamped Townhill Park estate.

As a result the chairman of the city council’s scrutiny committee, Cllr Jeremy Moulton, announced he would be calling in the decision to focus on how the consultation was carried out.

He said: “As a result of the findings in the Daily Echo it seems quite clear that these residents were not properly told of what the rent rises would be. “It would appear to go against the grain for there to be no concern over the prospect of rent levels rising to, in some cases, double the amount that they were.

“That is a matter of concern. It is likely we will call for an investigation into what happened and recommend the decision to start work on the regeneration be suspended while that it carried out.”

Meanwhile, it has been claimed that the regeneration of other housing estates in the city is being put at risk as a result of the plans to rebuild Townhill Park.

Conservative housing spokesman Peter Baillie said there would not be enough money to spend on other estates after the Labour administration decided to own the 450 homes rather than sell them off to a housing association, as in the Tories’ original plan.

Cllr Baillie said: “By buying 450 homes they are spending an extra £68m on top of what we budgeted for. That money could be spent on at least five other regeneration projects. It will take something like ten years before any project of this scale can be done again.”

However, housing boss Warwick Payne rubbished those claims, saying that work was already starting on identifying the next estate for a revamp, with Millbrook and Maybush likely to be the next to get a makeover. He said: “When we came to office the Conservatives had promised an estate regeneration programme but I found no plans, no timetable, no work whatsoever that had been done.

“Taking the approach we have in Townhill may not be right for every other estate, it may be that the community is happy with certain aspects of their estate and want to see improvements elsewhere. We will listen to what they have to say, and give them the improvements that they want.”

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2:57pm Fri 16 Nov 12

star maria says...

Do this council p****snot realise how they are messing with peoples lifes. Whether your a council tenant or home owner like myself we just want a definate answer. do they not understand the stress the not knowing is causing. Get it sorted and stop leaving us in limbo
Do this council p****snot realise how they are messing with peoples lifes. Whether your a council tenant or home owner like myself we just want a definate answer. do they not understand the stress the not knowing is causing. Get it sorted and stop leaving us in limbo star maria

3:28pm Fri 16 Nov 12

bazzeroz says...

I still can't understand why Townhill Park needs a revamp! There are more deserving estates that are a lot more 'tired' and older than THP. This comment also covers the work undertaken in Weston and Thornhill. There are a few Southampton estates that were built in the 1930's that should qualify for grants.
I still can't understand why Townhill Park needs a revamp! There are more deserving estates that are a lot more 'tired' and older than THP. This comment also covers the work undertaken in Weston and Thornhill. There are a few Southampton estates that were built in the 1930's that should qualify for grants. bazzeroz

3:33pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

star maria wrote:
Do this council p****snot realise how they are messing with peoples lifes. Whether your a council tenant or home owner like myself we just want a definate answer. do they not understand the stress the not knowing is causing. Get it sorted and stop leaving us in limbo
Can I ask you some questions?
Do you live in Townhill Park?
Do you want to lose the Copse?
What did you think of the original Tory plan?
Personally I would have asked all residents to come & talk & try to work out a plan that all residents wanted & would be happy to live in that area.
If you people are happy where they live usually the area is a good place to live if no one gives a **** & it's just a roof over their heads then the estate is not a community but it attracts the yobs & undesirables so it seems to make sense to build what the tenants would be happy with doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]star maria[/bold] wrote: Do this council p****snot realise how they are messing with peoples lifes. Whether your a council tenant or home owner like myself we just want a definate answer. do they not understand the stress the not knowing is causing. Get it sorted and stop leaving us in limbo[/p][/quote]Can I ask you some questions? Do you live in Townhill Park? Do you want to lose the Copse? What did you think of the original Tory plan? Personally I would have asked all residents to come & talk & try to work out a plan that all residents wanted & would be happy to live in that area. If you people are happy where they live usually the area is a good place to live if no one gives a **** & it's just a roof over their heads then the estate is not a community but it attracts the yobs & undesirables so it seems to make sense to build what the tenants would be happy with doesn't it? loosehead

3:36pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

bazzeroz wrote:
I still can't understand why Townhill Park needs a revamp! There are more deserving estates that are a lot more 'tired' and older than THP. This comment also covers the work undertaken in Weston and Thornhill. There are a few Southampton estates that were built in the 1930's that should qualify for grants.
Didn't Williams & the other Labour Councillor for Woolston promise the flats an overhaul? or was it just to win votes?
[quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: I still can't understand why Townhill Park needs a revamp! There are more deserving estates that are a lot more 'tired' and older than THP. This comment also covers the work undertaken in Weston and Thornhill. There are a few Southampton estates that were built in the 1930's that should qualify for grants.[/p][/quote]Didn't Williams & the other Labour Councillor for Woolston promise the flats an overhaul? or was it just to win votes? loosehead

4:18pm Fri 16 Nov 12

star maria says...

Yes i do live on the estate,no i don't want to see anymore greenland destroyed and built on, but not once did i have a one to one meeting that i was promised, and neither did any of my neighbours, i know their has been public consultations that we haven't always been able to attend, but not once have many of these residents been consultated properyly. I'm all for improvement but its the not knowing and uncertainty that is upsetting everyone i know that is effected by it.
Yes i do live on the estate,no i don't want to see anymore greenland destroyed and built on, but not once did i have a one to one meeting that i was promised, and neither did any of my neighbours, i know their has been public consultations that we haven't always been able to attend, but not once have many of these residents been consultated properyly. I'm all for improvement but its the not knowing and uncertainty that is upsetting everyone i know that is effected by it. star maria

4:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

I think they should stop the build all together and these people stop sponging generally and go and rent private like the rest of us....
I think they should stop the build all together and these people stop sponging generally and go and rent private like the rest of us.... lovetheladies

5:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

star maria says...

We don't all sponge some of us own our property and now have to start looking again and uproot my whole family through no fault of my own.
We don't all sponge some of us own our property and now have to start looking again and uproot my whole family through no fault of my own. star maria

5:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

I hope you buy in a better area next time, but surely you'll be glad to get out the drug infested estate...
I hope you buy in a better area next time, but surely you'll be glad to get out the drug infested estate... lovetheladies

5:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

NO SHOPS HOODY VILLE A BLOT ON SOUTHAMPTON!
NO SHOPS HOODY VILLE A BLOT ON SOUTHAMPTON! Fatty x Ford Worker

6:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

star maria wrote:
We don't all sponge some of us own our property and now have to start looking again and uproot my whole family through no fault of my own.
What would the residents of the estate like to see happen there?
I'm not a councillor & I don't belong to any party but to improve the estate surely you have to make it a place the residents are proud to live in?
do that & then see that area change.
I live on a council estate but like yours it's now mixed with private & council homes we have people going around & picking up litter in their own time as they're proud to say they come from this estate & want to keep it free of litter so please get your friends & call for a meeting with the council & tell them what you want & ask for the Echo to be there so it's public knowledge & the Council can't deny any knowledge of it GOOD LUCK
[quote][p][bold]star maria[/bold] wrote: We don't all sponge some of us own our property and now have to start looking again and uproot my whole family through no fault of my own.[/p][/quote]What would the residents of the estate like to see happen there? I'm not a councillor & I don't belong to any party but to improve the estate surely you have to make it a place the residents are proud to live in? do that & then see that area change. I live on a council estate but like yours it's now mixed with private & council homes we have people going around & picking up litter in their own time as they're proud to say they come from this estate & want to keep it free of litter so please get your friends & call for a meeting with the council & tell them what you want & ask for the Echo to be there so it's public knowledge & the Council can't deny any knowledge of it GOOD LUCK loosehead

6:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

Loosehead ever heard the term you can't polish a turd! Place will never improve!!! Wish you all best tho Maria
Loosehead ever heard the term you can't polish a turd! Place will never improve!!! Wish you all best tho Maria lovetheladies

6:53pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

lovetheladies wrote:
Loosehead ever heard the term you can't polish a turd! Place will never improve!!! Wish you all best tho Maria
Surely if the residents agree with demolishing the Flats & maybe build 99% of the new estate as housing this in itself would help to improve the area?
I don't know I don't live there?
[quote][p][bold]lovetheladies[/bold] wrote: Loosehead ever heard the term you can't polish a turd! Place will never improve!!! Wish you all best tho Maria[/p][/quote]Surely if the residents agree with demolishing the Flats & maybe build 99% of the new estate as housing this in itself would help to improve the area? I don't know I don't live there? loosehead

7:19pm Fri 16 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

Yes i do live nearby and can't wait to see the back of it!! and the scum that live in there... good riddance to 99%
Yes i do live nearby and can't wait to see the back of it!! and the scum that live in there... good riddance to 99% lovetheladies

7:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Maine Lobster says...

The rents will be much higher because they won't be Council homes and will be run by a Housing Association.
As the Council can't fund a rebuild of the estate,they have to rely upon the private sector to develop it. Of course that means private profits and unfortunately rents which many local people can't afford. The middle class will replace the working class and effectively cleanse Townhill Park of people unlikely to vote Tory. Bitterne Park ward Councillors (all Tory) won't have missed that probable outcome!
The rents will be much higher because they won't be Council homes and will be run by a Housing Association. As the Council can't fund a rebuild of the estate,they have to rely upon the private sector to develop it. Of course that means private profits and unfortunately rents which many local people can't afford. The middle class will replace the working class and effectively cleanse Townhill Park of people unlikely to vote Tory. Bitterne Park ward Councillors (all Tory) won't have missed that probable outcome! Maine Lobster

7:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

Maine Lobster sounds great!!!
Maine Lobster sounds great!!! lovetheladies

9:53pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
The rents will be much higher because they won't be Council homes and will be run by a Housing Association.
As the Council can't fund a rebuild of the estate,they have to rely upon the private sector to develop it. Of course that means private profits and unfortunately rents which many local people can't afford. The middle class will replace the working class and effectively cleanse Townhill Park of people unlikely to vote Tory. Bitterne Park ward Councillors (all Tory) won't have missed that probable outcome!
Sorry but isn't there a cap in place on rents or monies paid for rents from the government?
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: The rents will be much higher because they won't be Council homes and will be run by a Housing Association. As the Council can't fund a rebuild of the estate,they have to rely upon the private sector to develop it. Of course that means private profits and unfortunately rents which many local people can't afford. The middle class will replace the working class and effectively cleanse Townhill Park of people unlikely to vote Tory. Bitterne Park ward Councillors (all Tory) won't have missed that probable outcome![/p][/quote]Sorry but isn't there a cap in place on rents or monies paid for rents from the government? loosehead

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