Hayes wins Hampshire police commissioner vote (From Daily Echo)

sotonwinch09 wrote:
At least he's independent. Nothing worse than having the police run by someone with political ties.

sotonwinch09 wrote:
At least he's independent. Nothing worse than having the police run by someone with political ties.

Independent Thought wrote:
Well done Simon Hayes - but you MUST remain independent for the duration of your term of office.

If the electorate see you 'sliding back and rejoining the tory party'; I think all trust (which is probably quite small at the moment based upon a 15% turnout) for you and the PCC position will be lost.

Subject48 wrote:
2 days ago – Simon Hayes rejoins the Tory party, giving an address in Northamptonshire, but claims to have no political ties an that his base is now in hampshire...

If hes not giving his address in hampshire why the eff should he be a candidate in hampshire in the first place!? this is a blatant lie and is quite frankly disgusting.

So hes independant in hampshire but whwre he officialy resides hes member of the tory party!? Anyone who defends this man is as guilty of supporting this face and lying hypocrasy as he is!

ohec wrote:
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andyfidler1966 wrote:

Independent Thought wrote:
Well done Simon Hayes - but you MUST remain independent for the duration of your term of office.

If the electorate see you 'sliding back and rejoining the tory party'; I think all trust (which is probably quite small at the moment based upon a 15% turnout) for you and the PCC position will be lost.

Yes well done, but....who on earth are you???

Subject48 wrote:
google "simon hays member of the political party?" first hit will be from the daily echo. but do some further reading.

Subject48 wrote:
google "simon hays member of the political party?" first hit will be from the daily echo. but do some further reading.

Independent Thought wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote:

Independent Thought wrote:
Well done Simon Hayes - but you MUST remain independent for the duration of your term of office.

If the electorate see you 'sliding back and rejoining the tory party'; I think all trust (which is probably quite small at the moment based upon a 15% turnout) for you and the PCC position will be lost.

Yes well done, but....who on earth are you???

Councillor Ken Thornber.

Donald Duck.

Captain Jack Sparrow.

Jason Bourne.

A local Labour councillor.

Mickey Mouse.

Peppa Pig.

andyfidler1966 - you decide?

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Any body but Mates.
.
Anyone that voted for Mates should hang their head in shame

ohec wrote:
There is a flat going cheap in Winchester if anybodies interested please apply in writing to

Mr M.Mates
Mates House
West Sussex
PR AT5

A Southampton resident wrote:
I trust our new PCC doesn't think he can now take it easy while filling out his expenses claims forms.

Remember, he is supposed to be there as a public representative. If you (i.e. we) think there is something he needs to be doing - such as ensuring there are sufficient coppers on the beat or ensuring that electoral law is upheld, then contact him by phone, post or email. And don't take no for an answer.

He wanted the job. We must monitor him and make sure we get our money's worth.

ohec wrote:
There is a flat going cheap in Winchester if anybodies interested please apply in writing to

Mr M.Mates
Mates House
West Sussex
PR AT5

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?

Subject48 wrote:
2 days ago – Simon Hayes rejoins the Tory party, giving an address in Northamptonshire, but claims to have no political ties an that his base is now in hampshire...

If hes not giving his address in hampshire why the eff should he be a candidate in hampshire in the first place!? this is a blatant lie and is quite frankly disgusting.

So hes independant in hampshire but whwre he officialy resides hes member of the tory party!? Anyone who defends this man is as guilty of supporting this face and lying hypocrasy as he is!

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?

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Robin Cunningham wrote:

Subject48 wrote:
2 days ago – Simon Hayes rejoins the Tory party, giving an address in Northamptonshire, but claims to have no political ties an that his base is now in hampshire...

If hes not giving his address in hampshire why the eff should he be a candidate in hampshire in the first place!? this is a blatant lie and is quite frankly disgusting.

So hes independant in hampshire but whwre he officialy resides hes member of the tory party!? Anyone who defends this man is as guilty of supporting this face and lying hypocrasy as he is!

Your post incorrectly gives the impression that he rejoined the Tories two days ago which is blatantly untrue. To clarify your "Two days ago" refers to when you read the article!

Stop rubbishing the successful candidate. YOUR candidate lost fair and square.

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?

george h wrote:
A very strange and un-English way to run an election IMO, when the candidate with the most votes comes second.

andyfidler1966 wrote:

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?

The loosers votes would have been handed to the two winning candidates ( assuming you used both votes) In the example of Hayes/Mates you mentioned your vote would still be there.

sotonwinch09 wrote:
At least he's independent. Nothing worse than having the police run by someone with political ties.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.

I have to agree on more frontline officers. I'm not sure what this new post will actually achieve! £85k salary is almost 4 new officers, that's 4 more bobbies on the beat.

I thought we were cutting back on paperwork people?

mooky9 wrote:

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?

I chose not to vote because I think the whole thing is a joke, it is politicising the Police who need to be independent and stay as a service of the crown NOT government puppets. So no not shame on me, it's MY choice not to vote as that is what i wanted to do and the last time I looked that is MY right and MY freedom of choice.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.

megacycle wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.

Don Jerrard was a solicitor, what does he know about policing? plus he stood for the Justice and Anti-corruption Party, which I've never heard of before so sounds like he just didn't want to be an independent candidate.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

megacycle wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.

Don Jerrard was a solicitor, what does he know about policing? plus he stood for the Justice and Anti-corruption Party, which I've never heard of before so sounds like he just didn't want to be an independent candidate.

Please forgive me if I miss understood the situation but I have always been under the impression that if people have legal problem they go to solicitors and it is the cops who make sure the laws are not broken.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

megacycle wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.

Don Jerrard was a solicitor, what does he know about policing? plus he stood for the Justice and Anti-corruption Party, which I've never heard of before so sounds like he just didn't want to be an independent candidate.

Please forgive me if I miss understood the situation but I have always been under the impression that if people have legal problem they go to solicitors and it is the cops who make sure the laws are not broken.

I would guess a Solicitor would know a great deal about Policing as they are the ones who deal with crims day in day out and come up with the most ridiculous defences?

They know how to twist the system so their client gets off with a lighter sentence, in order to do that they must have a good idea how policing works?

megacycle wrote:
Police have the duty of enforcing the law in the best interest of society. Solicitors have the duty of interpreting the laws in the best interest of their paying client; need I say more?

megacycle wrote:

megacycle wrote:
Police have the duty of enforcing the law in the best interest of society. Solicitors have the duty of interpreting the laws in the best interest of their paying client; need I say more?

apparently I do. Jerrard was my least prefrerred.

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megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?

peenut81 wrote:
All of you thinking it was smart not to or 'exercising your right not to vote' wasted an opportunity, the 6000 people who spoiled their paper made the protest, your non vote is interpreted as implicit compliance/acceptanc

e of the proposal. It is not considered a rejection or apathy.
Please, please if future elections if you disagree spoil the paper, don't stay at home.
2. All this talk of 'golden era of policing', my friendly bobby, prefer to chat to the local sergeant is nonsense. The police (as an institution- not all members) have been a violent, unaccountable, group of prejudiced power hungry arses since Thatcher gave them the extra money and middle class status to crush the miners.
3. This election had one purpose, to backdoor privatisation, Cameron can now turn it on to us the public as police forces get outsourced by saying we had a chance in these elections to voice our opinion, we didn't, therefore we can't object when G4S, Haliburton, Lockheed martin start employing ex-doorstaff and non-dom migrants to protect private property and stop answering calls related to violence or disorder which are not profit orientated.