Simon Hayes elected as Hampshire and Isle of Wight police commissioner

Daily Echo: Simon Hayes Simon Hayes

Independent candidate Simon Hayes has been elected as Hampshire's first police commissioner.

He defeated Michael Mates in a count at Southampton Guildhall.

Candidates were required to garner more than 50 per cent of the vote to be declared the winner. After all the first preference votes were counted, Mr Mates and Mr Hayes were ahead, but neither had enough to be declared outright winner.

As a result, the second preference votes from those who voted for the four other candidates were counted.

Mr Hayes won 33,037 second preference votes and Mates won 13,188.

That meant the overall winner was Simon Hayes, by a count of 80,669 to 65,804.

The turnout across Hampshire and the Isle of Wight was 15 per cent. Of the 217,481 votes cast, 5,595 were rejected for a variety of reasons, leaving 211,886 valid votes.

After the vote was declared, Simon Hayes, said: “This has been a unique election in many respects.

“When we started this, we had no real anticipation that we would get this far. The expectation was we wouldn't win but we thought it was important to give the electors of Hampshire and the Isle of Wight a chance to vote for an independent candidate.

“I'm humbled by this result and I'm grateful to the public of Hampshire and the Isle of Wight for the trust they've put in me to become their first police and crime commissioner. I'll exercise this role not with any fear or favour and considering the whole community of Hampshire and the Isle of Wight.”

Chief Constable Alex Marshall said: “On behalf of the force, I would like to congratulate Simon Hayes on his election to the role of Police & Crime Commissioner for Hampshire.

“Hampshire is a successful forward-thinking force which has seen a significant reduction in crime levels across the two counties over the past five years.

“We look forward to working with Simon Hayes as the new commissioner to continue to build on this success and provide a policing service which meets the needs of our communities.”

The defeated Conservative candidate, Michael Mates, left without commenting to waiting reporters.

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4:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12

sotonwinch09 says...

At least he's independent. Nothing worse than having the police run by someone with political ties.
At least he's independent. Nothing worse than having the police run by someone with political ties. sotonwinch09
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4:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Any body but Mates.
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Anyone that voted for Mates should hang their head in shame
Any body but Mates. . Anyone that voted for Mates should hang their head in shame Lone Ranger.
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4:44pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Independent Thought says...

Well done Simon Hayes - but you MUST remain independent for the duration of your term of office.

If the electorate see you 'sliding back and rejoining the tory party'; I think all trust (which is probably quite small at the moment based upon a 15% turnout) for you and the PCC position will be lost.
Well done Simon Hayes - but you MUST remain independent for the duration of your term of office. If the electorate see you 'sliding back and rejoining the tory party'; I think all trust (which is probably quite small at the moment based upon a 15% turnout) for you and the PCC position will be lost. Independent Thought
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4:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

FoysCornerBoy says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
At least he's independent. Nothing worse than having the police run by someone with political ties.
You're having a laugh. He was one of three current or very recent conservative party members to contest this election.
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: At least he's independent. Nothing worse than having the police run by someone with political ties.[/p][/quote]You're having a laugh. He was one of three current or very recent conservative party members to contest this election. FoysCornerBoy
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4:46pm Fri 16 Nov 12

ohec says...

Well thats one in the eye for a certain Tory plonker who thinks the people of Hampshire are stupid.
Well thats one in the eye for a certain Tory plonker who thinks the people of Hampshire are stupid. ohec
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4:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12

beiroot says...

Glad Mates didn't win.Don't know the Independent winner but the fact that he is not a main party politician pleases me.Also I'm amazed that Mates had over 52,000 votes.What sort of person would vote for him? (no doubt I'll be told)
Glad Mates didn't win.Don't know the Independent winner but the fact that he is not a main party politician pleases me.Also I'm amazed that Mates had over 52,000 votes.What sort of person would vote for him? (no doubt I'll be told) beiroot
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4:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12

The Watcher says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
At least he's independent. Nothing worse than having the police run by someone with political ties.
I'm afraid he's no as "independent" as you think.
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: At least he's independent. Nothing worse than having the police run by someone with political ties.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid he's no as "independent" as you think. The Watcher
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4:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

2 days ago – Simon Hayes rejoins the Tory party, giving an address in Northamptonshire, but claims to have no political ties an that his base is now in hampshire...

If hes not giving his address in hampshire why the eff should he be a candidate in hampshire in the first place!? this is a blatant lie and is quite frankly disgusting.

So hes independant in hampshire but whwre he officialy resides hes member of the tory party!? Anyone who defends this man is as guilty of supporting this face and lying hypocrasy as he is!
2 days ago – Simon Hayes rejoins the Tory party, giving an address in Northamptonshire, but claims to have no political ties an that his base is now in hampshire... If hes not giving his address in hampshire why the eff should he be a candidate in hampshire in the first place!? this is a blatant lie and is quite frankly disgusting. So hes independant in hampshire but whwre he officialy resides hes member of the tory party!? Anyone who defends this man is as guilty of supporting this face and lying hypocrasy as he is! Subject48
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4:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

What a waste of time and money.....
What a waste of time and money..... lovetheladies
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4:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andyfidler1966 says...

Independent Thought wrote:
Well done Simon Hayes - but you MUST remain independent for the duration of your term of office.

If the electorate see you 'sliding back and rejoining the tory party'; I think all trust (which is probably quite small at the moment based upon a 15% turnout) for you and the PCC position will be lost.
Yes well done, but....who on earth are you???
[quote][p][bold]Independent Thought[/bold] wrote: Well done Simon Hayes - but you MUST remain independent for the duration of your term of office. If the electorate see you 'sliding back and rejoining the tory party'; I think all trust (which is probably quite small at the moment based upon a 15% turnout) for you and the PCC position will be lost.[/p][/quote]Yes well done, but....who on earth are you??? andyfidler1966
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4:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12

housewife says...

former chair of the Police Authority

former leader of NFDC

former County Councillor

independent my backside
former chair of the Police Authority former leader of NFDC former County Councillor independent my backside housewife
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4:53pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

im very sorry but Im so angry its very hard to be coherent right now.
im very sorry but Im so angry its very hard to be coherent right now. Subject48
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4:55pm Fri 16 Nov 12

ohec says...

There is a flat going cheap in Winchester if anybodies interested please apply in writing to

Mr M.Mates
Mates House
West Sussex
PR AT5
There is a flat going cheap in Winchester if anybodies interested please apply in writing to Mr M.Mates Mates House West Sussex PR AT5 ohec
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4:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Dresnez says...

Subject48 wrote:
2 days ago – Simon Hayes rejoins the Tory party, giving an address in Northamptonshire, but claims to have no political ties an that his base is now in hampshire...

If hes not giving his address in hampshire why the eff should he be a candidate in hampshire in the first place!? this is a blatant lie and is quite frankly disgusting.

So hes independant in hampshire but whwre he officialy resides hes member of the tory party!? Anyone who defends this man is as guilty of supporting this face and lying hypocrasy as he is!
Do you have any references to substantiate this Subject 48?

A link or something to a webpage.

Only I want to make a fuss about this. A big one.
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: 2 days ago – Simon Hayes rejoins the Tory party, giving an address in Northamptonshire, but claims to have no political ties an that his base is now in hampshire... If hes not giving his address in hampshire why the eff should he be a candidate in hampshire in the first place!? this is a blatant lie and is quite frankly disgusting. So hes independant in hampshire but whwre he officialy resides hes member of the tory party!? Anyone who defends this man is as guilty of supporting this face and lying hypocrasy as he is![/p][/quote]Do you have any references to substantiate this Subject 48? A link or something to a webpage. Only I want to make a fuss about this. A big one. Dresnez
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5:01pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

google "simon hays member of the political party?" first hit will be from the daily echo. but do some further reading.
google "simon hays member of the political party?" first hit will be from the daily echo. but do some further reading. Subject48
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5:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

Congratulations Mr Hayes.
Congratulations Mr Hayes. IronLady2010
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5:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Geoff Beeze says...

I know some people will say if did not vote then you should not complain and normally I agree with that but I did not vote in this election because I do not believe this will make the police any more accountable to the public. This is a classic exercise in jobs for the boys.

The whole idea that anyone like Michael Mates who defended a fraudster for years should have even been allowed as a candidate shows what a joke this election is.
I know some people will say if did not vote then you should not complain and normally I agree with that but I did not vote in this election because I do not believe this will make the police any more accountable to the public. This is a classic exercise in jobs for the boys. The whole idea that anyone like Michael Mates who defended a fraudster for years should have even been allowed as a candidate shows what a joke this election is. Geoff Beeze
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5:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

tintin33 says...

Glad michael mates not elected as typical money grasping tory who at 78 you thought he had had a big enough slice of public money.
Isnt he banned from holding a public office due to previous issues?
Glad michael mates not elected as typical money grasping tory who at 78 you thought he had had a big enough slice of public money. Isnt he banned from holding a public office due to previous issues? tintin33
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5:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Geoff Beeze says...

ohec wrote:
There is a flat going cheap in Winchester if anybodies interested please apply in writing to

Mr M.Mates
Mates House
West Sussex
PR AT5
Wish there was a like option for this comment.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: There is a flat going cheap in Winchester if anybodies interested please apply in writing to Mr M.Mates Mates House West Sussex PR AT5[/p][/quote]Wish there was a like option for this comment. Geoff Beeze
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5:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Independent Thought says...

andyfidler1966 wrote:
Independent Thought wrote:
Well done Simon Hayes - but you MUST remain independent for the duration of your term of office.

If the electorate see you 'sliding back and rejoining the tory party'; I think all trust (which is probably quite small at the moment based upon a 15% turnout) for you and the PCC position will be lost.
Yes well done, but....who on earth are you???
Councillor Ken Thornber.

Donald Duck.

Captain Jack Sparrow.

Jason Bourne.

A local Labour councillor.

Mickey Mouse.

Peppa Pig.

andyfidler1966 - you decide?
[quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independent Thought[/bold] wrote: Well done Simon Hayes - but you MUST remain independent for the duration of your term of office. If the electorate see you 'sliding back and rejoining the tory party'; I think all trust (which is probably quite small at the moment based upon a 15% turnout) for you and the PCC position will be lost.[/p][/quote]Yes well done, but....who on earth are you???[/p][/quote]Councillor Ken Thornber. Donald Duck. Captain Jack Sparrow. Jason Bourne. A local Labour councillor. Mickey Mouse. Peppa Pig. andyfidler1966 - you decide? Independent Thought
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5:11pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andyfidler1966 says...

Subject48 wrote:
google "simon hays member of the political party?" first hit will be from the daily echo. but do some further reading.
'I don't know why I did join'...the Tory party in 2011 is more worrying than the confusion over his residential address, in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: google "simon hays member of the political party?" first hit will be from the daily echo. but do some further reading.[/p][/quote]'I don't know why I did join'...the Tory party in 2011 is more worrying than the confusion over his residential address, in my opinion. andyfidler1966
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5:11pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andyfidler1966 says...

Subject48 wrote:
google "simon hays member of the political party?" first hit will be from the daily echo. but do some further reading.
'I don't know why I did join'...the Tory party in 2011 is more worrying than the confusion over his residential address, in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: google "simon hays member of the political party?" first hit will be from the daily echo. but do some further reading.[/p][/quote]'I don't know why I did join'...the Tory party in 2011 is more worrying than the confusion over his residential address, in my opinion. andyfidler1966
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5:11pm Fri 16 Nov 12

The Watcher says...

He was a member of the Conservative Party until very recently, and I'm sure when questioned he said he didn't know why he rejoined the party!
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Let's hope he is a bit more switched on and knows why he became our Police Commissioner.
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Sadly he is not as independent as some may think.
.
We have elections for a post that no one really wants, and an Independent who isn't really that independent.
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You would dismiss it if it was in The Thick Of It script.
He was a member of the Conservative Party until very recently, and I'm sure when questioned he said he didn't know why he rejoined the party! . Let's hope he is a bit more switched on and knows why he became our Police Commissioner. . Sadly he is not as independent as some may think. . We have elections for a post that no one really wants, and an Independent who isn't really that independent. . You would dismiss it if it was in The Thick Of It script. The Watcher
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5:16pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andyfidler1966 says...

Independent Thought wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote:
Independent Thought wrote:
Well done Simon Hayes - but you MUST remain independent for the duration of your term of office.

If the electorate see you 'sliding back and rejoining the tory party'; I think all trust (which is probably quite small at the moment based upon a 15% turnout) for you and the PCC position will be lost.
Yes well done, but....who on earth are you???
Councillor Ken Thornber.

Donald Duck.

Captain Jack Sparrow.

Jason Bourne.

A local Labour councillor.

Mickey Mouse.

Peppa Pig.

andyfidler1966 - you decide?
Now if Popeye had stood he would have got my vote!
[quote][p][bold]Independent Thought[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independent Thought[/bold] wrote: Well done Simon Hayes - but you MUST remain independent for the duration of your term of office. If the electorate see you 'sliding back and rejoining the tory party'; I think all trust (which is probably quite small at the moment based upon a 15% turnout) for you and the PCC position will be lost.[/p][/quote]Yes well done, but....who on earth are you???[/p][/quote]Councillor Ken Thornber. Donald Duck. Captain Jack Sparrow. Jason Bourne. A local Labour councillor. Mickey Mouse. Peppa Pig. andyfidler1966 - you decide?[/p][/quote]Now if Popeye had stood he would have got my vote! andyfidler1966
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5:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

skin2000 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Any body but Mates.
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Anyone that voted for Mates should hang their head in shame
Dead right! I find it amazing that over 50,000 people voted for him. It was lucky we had PR, or what ever it is called.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Any body but Mates. . Anyone that voted for Mates should hang their head in shame[/p][/quote]Dead right! I find it amazing that over 50,000 people voted for him. It was lucky we had PR, or what ever it is called. skin2000
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5:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

A Southampton resident says...

I trust our new PCC doesn't think he can now take it easy while filling out his expenses claims forms.

Remember, he is supposed to be there as a public representative. If you (i.e. we) think there is something he needs to be doing - such as ensuring there are sufficient coppers on the beat or ensuring that electoral law is upheld, then contact him by phone, post or email. And don't take no for an answer.

He wanted the job. We must monitor him and make sure we get our money's worth.
I trust our new PCC doesn't think he can now take it easy while filling out his expenses claims forms. Remember, he is supposed to be there as a public representative. If you (i.e. we) think there is something he needs to be doing - such as ensuring there are sufficient coppers on the beat or ensuring that electoral law is upheld, then contact him by phone, post or email. And don't take no for an answer. He wanted the job. We must monitor him and make sure we get our money's worth. A Southampton resident
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5:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12

george h says...

ohec wrote:
There is a flat going cheap in Winchester if anybodies interested please apply in writing to

Mr M.Mates
Mates House
West Sussex
PR AT5
Best laff I've had all day.

Well done ohec.

LOL
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: There is a flat going cheap in Winchester if anybodies interested please apply in writing to Mr M.Mates Mates House West Sussex PR AT5[/p][/quote]Best laff I've had all day. Well done ohec. LOL george h
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5:26pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

@ tintin whats worrying is that not only was he (as far as I know) not supposed to be holding public office but the fact that people voted, i mean tory people, voted for him.

People need to be educated and eplained that their opinion does count, and they have the power to change things.

Whoever I talk to says the same thing: "it dont matter who I vote for, they are all the same..." The apathy is exploited. Clearly. The more miserable the government makes people and the more they take the **** the less people vote. Playing right into the hands of those in power who then herd up their brain-washed party supporters to the ballot boxes with lies and deciet.
@ tintin whats worrying is that not only was he (as far as I know) not supposed to be holding public office but the fact that people voted, i mean tory people, voted for him. People need to be educated and eplained that their opinion does count, and they have the power to change things. Whoever I talk to says the same thing: "it dont matter who I vote for, they are all the same..." The apathy is exploited. Clearly. The more miserable the government makes people and the more they take the **** the less people vote. Playing right into the hands of those in power who then herd up their brain-washed party supporters to the ballot boxes with lies and deciet. Subject48
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5:26pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andyfidler1966 says...

A Southampton resident wrote:
I trust our new PCC doesn't think he can now take it easy while filling out his expenses claims forms.

Remember, he is supposed to be there as a public representative. If you (i.e. we) think there is something he needs to be doing - such as ensuring there are sufficient coppers on the beat or ensuring that electoral law is upheld, then contact him by phone, post or email. And don't take no for an answer.

He wanted the job. We must monitor him and make sure we get our money's worth.
You are right, but I would still prefer to bend the ear of our local Sergeant.
[quote][p][bold]A Southampton resident[/bold] wrote: I trust our new PCC doesn't think he can now take it easy while filling out his expenses claims forms. Remember, he is supposed to be there as a public representative. If you (i.e. we) think there is something he needs to be doing - such as ensuring there are sufficient coppers on the beat or ensuring that electoral law is upheld, then contact him by phone, post or email. And don't take no for an answer. He wanted the job. We must monitor him and make sure we get our money's worth.[/p][/quote]You are right, but I would still prefer to bend the ear of our local Sergeant. andyfidler1966
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5:27pm Fri 16 Nov 12

skin2000 says...

ohec wrote:
There is a flat going cheap in Winchester if anybodies interested please apply in writing to

Mr M.Mates
Mates House
West Sussex
PR AT5
Very good, it will be on the market tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: There is a flat going cheap in Winchester if anybodies interested please apply in writing to Mr M.Mates Mates House West Sussex PR AT5[/p][/quote]Very good, it will be on the market tomorrow. skin2000
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5:29pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Dresnez says...

Why oh why do we have political candidates for this?

To what purpose when justice is supposed to be separated from politics?

I find the whole thing totally objectionable.

We are now stuck with this now.

If people had actually voted we would have had a different result.

There is no option to abstain in elections so not voting achieves nothing. It merely means you lose your voice.

Mind you those who thought they were voting for an independent were lied to. He is a Tory!!!!!!!!!

The election should be declared null and void.
Why oh why do we have political candidates for this? To what purpose when justice is supposed to be separated from politics? I find the whole thing totally objectionable. We are now stuck with this now. If people had actually voted we would have had a different result. There is no option to abstain in elections so not voting achieves nothing. It merely means you lose your voice. Mind you those who thought they were voting for an independent were lied to. He is a Tory!!!!!!!!! The election should be declared null and void. Dresnez
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5:30pm Fri 16 Nov 12

megacycle says...

I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings. like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find. the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why? megacycle
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5:35pm Fri 16 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?
Both of us voted as it is our right to do so even if I don't agree with having a Police Commissioner.

Mr Hayes was my second choice.
[quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings. like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find. the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?[/p][/quote]Both of us voted as it is our right to do so even if I don't agree with having a Police Commissioner. Mr Hayes was my second choice. IronLady2010
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5:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andyfidler1966 says...

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?
The loosers votes would have been handed to the two winning candidates ( assuming you used both votes) In the example of Hayes/Mates you mentioned your vote would still be there.
[quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings. like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find. the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?[/p][/quote]The loosers votes would have been handed to the two winning candidates ( assuming you used both votes) In the example of Hayes/Mates you mentioned your vote would still be there. andyfidler1966
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5:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andyfidler1966 says...

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?
The loosers votes would have been handed to the two winning candidates ( assuming you used both votes) In the example of Hayes/Mates you mentioned your vote would still be there.
[quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings. like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find. the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?[/p][/quote]The loosers votes would have been handed to the two winning candidates ( assuming you used both votes) In the example of Hayes/Mates you mentioned your vote would still be there. andyfidler1966
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5:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

@ megacyclone I did not vote because I do not agree with the principle of PCC. Why? Because fools like hayes get elected. How can someone who does not officialy live in the same county have a good insight into local problems??

If you want to apply democracy, the democratic question should have been " does anyone want a pcc post ?" not: "by the way there is going to be a pointless uneccesary pcc post with canditates being affiliated(officialy or otherwise) with ruling parties, who do you want in hampshire?"

I did not vote because I do not agree with this, and choosing a lesser of two evils has been a policy thats been a cancer on our society for a long time to the stage where the common man has been totaly and utterly disarmed through governemnt through apathy.

I could go on and on by i have limited access to information right now.
@ megacyclone I did not vote because I do not agree with the principle of PCC. Why? Because fools like hayes get elected. How can someone who does not officialy live in the same county have a good insight into local problems?? If you want to apply democracy, the democratic question should have been " does anyone want a pcc post ?" not: "by the way there is going to be a pointless uneccesary pcc post with canditates being affiliated(officialy or otherwise) with ruling parties, who do you want in hampshire?" I did not vote because I do not agree with this, and choosing a lesser of two evils has been a policy thats been a cancer on our society for a long time to the stage where the common man has been totaly and utterly disarmed through governemnt through apathy. I could go on and on by i have limited access to information right now. Subject48
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5:46pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Robin Cunningham says...

Subject48 wrote:
2 days ago – Simon Hayes rejoins the Tory party, giving an address in Northamptonshire, but claims to have no political ties an that his base is now in hampshire...

If hes not giving his address in hampshire why the eff should he be a candidate in hampshire in the first place!? this is a blatant lie and is quite frankly disgusting.

So hes independant in hampshire but whwre he officialy resides hes member of the tory party!? Anyone who defends this man is as guilty of supporting this face and lying hypocrasy as he is!
Your post incorrectly gives the impression that he rejoined the Tories two days ago which is blatantly untrue. To clarify your "Two days ago" refers to when you read the article!

Stop rubbishing the successful candidate. YOUR candidate lost fair and square.
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: 2 days ago – Simon Hayes rejoins the Tory party, giving an address in Northamptonshire, but claims to have no political ties an that his base is now in hampshire... If hes not giving his address in hampshire why the eff should he be a candidate in hampshire in the first place!? this is a blatant lie and is quite frankly disgusting. So hes independant in hampshire but whwre he officialy resides hes member of the tory party!? Anyone who defends this man is as guilty of supporting this face and lying hypocrasy as he is![/p][/quote]Your post incorrectly gives the impression that he rejoined the Tories two days ago which is blatantly untrue. To clarify your "Two days ago" refers to when you read the article! Stop rubbishing the successful candidate. YOUR candidate lost fair and square. Robin Cunningham
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5:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12

mooky9 says...

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?
I chose not to vote because I think the whole thing is a joke, it is politicising the Police who need to be independent and stay as a service of the crown NOT government puppets. So no not shame on me, it's MY choice not to vote as that is what i wanted to do and the last time I looked that is MY right and MY freedom of choice.
[quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings. like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find. the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?[/p][/quote]I chose not to vote because I think the whole thing is a joke, it is politicising the Police who need to be independent and stay as a service of the crown NOT government puppets. So no not shame on me, it's MY choice not to vote as that is what i wanted to do and the last time I looked that is MY right and MY freedom of choice. mooky9
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5:49pm Fri 16 Nov 12

SOULJACKER says...

Has there been an election?

Where was all the publicity?.....who were candidates?......wha
t do they stand for?

This is just another of 'Dumbass' Cameron's little waste of time pipe dreams!

Nothing that Cameron does has any relevance to anything going on in the country now.

We have one to the dogs, I done told you.
Has there been an election? Where was all the publicity?.....who were candidates?......wha t do they stand for? This is just another of 'Dumbass' Cameron's little waste of time pipe dreams! Nothing that Cameron does has any relevance to anything going on in the country now. We have one to the dogs, I done told you. SOULJACKER
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6:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Dresnez says...

To get the results declared void, sign the e petition:

http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/41806
To get the results declared void, sign the e petition: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41806 Dresnez
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6:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andyfidler1966 says...

Dresnez wrote:
To get the results declared void, sign the e petition:

http://epetitions.di

rect.gov.uk/petition

s/41806
That was quick!
[quote][p][bold]Dresnez[/bold] wrote: To get the results declared void, sign the e petition: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41806[/p][/quote]That was quick! andyfidler1966
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6:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12

skin2000 says...

Well that was £100 million pounds well spent.........I wonder who was behind this great idea?
Well that was £100 million pounds well spent.........I wonder who was behind this great idea? skin2000
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6:28pm Fri 16 Nov 12

jonnyx says...

Robin Cunningham wrote:
Subject48 wrote:
2 days ago – Simon Hayes rejoins the Tory party, giving an address in Northamptonshire, but claims to have no political ties an that his base is now in hampshire...

If hes not giving his address in hampshire why the eff should he be a candidate in hampshire in the first place!? this is a blatant lie and is quite frankly disgusting.

So hes independant in hampshire but whwre he officialy resides hes member of the tory party!? Anyone who defends this man is as guilty of supporting this face and lying hypocrasy as he is!
Your post incorrectly gives the impression that he rejoined the Tories two days ago which is blatantly untrue. To clarify your "Two days ago" refers to when you read the article!

Stop rubbishing the successful candidate. YOUR candidate lost fair and square.
One could argue that it is not so much the when, of re-joining the conservative party, but rather the re-joining itself that is the issue at hand. Perhaps you will acknowledge that it calls into question any sense of 'independence' which this man claims to have.
[quote][p][bold]Robin Cunningham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: 2 days ago – Simon Hayes rejoins the Tory party, giving an address in Northamptonshire, but claims to have no political ties an that his base is now in hampshire... If hes not giving his address in hampshire why the eff should he be a candidate in hampshire in the first place!? this is a blatant lie and is quite frankly disgusting. So hes independant in hampshire but whwre he officialy resides hes member of the tory party!? Anyone who defends this man is as guilty of supporting this face and lying hypocrasy as he is![/p][/quote]Your post incorrectly gives the impression that he rejoined the Tories two days ago which is blatantly untrue. To clarify your "Two days ago" refers to when you read the article! Stop rubbishing the successful candidate. YOUR candidate lost fair and square.[/p][/quote]One could argue that it is not so much the when, of re-joining the conservative party, but rather the re-joining itself that is the issue at hand. Perhaps you will acknowledge that it calls into question any sense of 'independence' which this man claims to have. jonnyx
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6:30pm Fri 16 Nov 12

george h says...

A very strange and un-English way to run an election IMO, when the candidate with the most votes comes second.
A very strange and un-English way to run an election IMO, when the candidate with the most votes comes second. george h
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6:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12

biggus2 says...

Now we have the Chief and the Commissioner all we need now is Batman and Robin. What a WASTE of Public Money £100M.
Now we have the Chief and the Commissioner all we need now is Batman and Robin. What a WASTE of Public Money £100M. biggus2
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6:43pm Fri 16 Nov 12

soton1980 says...

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?
I didn't vote because I think PCC's are a bad idea and the whole thing is a waste of money. If there had been an option on the ballot paper to maintain the status quo (as there should have been) I would have voted and selected that option. I would argue that the fact that the public weren't asked whether or not they actually wanted PCC's is in itself rather undemocratic.
[quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings. like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find. the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?[/p][/quote]I didn't vote because I think PCC's are a bad idea and the whole thing is a waste of money. If there had been an option on the ballot paper to maintain the status quo (as there should have been) I would have voted and selected that option. I would argue that the fact that the public weren't asked whether or not they actually wanted PCC's is in itself rather undemocratic. soton1980
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6:49pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

@ robin cunningham, you are assuming I had a prefeance candiate. I did not because I do not agree with pcc principle.

Please read my previous posts before you start spewing your party brain-washed propaganda on a free thinking public. Just because hes not part of a party NOW and when it suits him does not mean hes not going to underhandeldy support that party you moron. Thats the danger we are in and thats why I dont agree with pcc.

Can you comprehend an independent unbiased view?? Obviously not. Im attckign his credibility and rightly so in my opinion as a free thinking citizen.
@ robin cunningham, you are assuming I had a prefeance candiate. I did not because I do not agree with pcc principle. Please read my previous posts before you start spewing your party brain-washed propaganda on a free thinking public. Just because hes not part of a party NOW and when it suits him does not mean hes not going to underhandeldy support that party you moron. Thats the danger we are in and thats why I dont agree with pcc. Can you comprehend an independent unbiased view?? Obviously not. Im attckign his credibility and rightly so in my opinion as a free thinking citizen. Subject48
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6:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

£100m farce.
.
Thats the cost of these elections.
.
All the idea of an out of touch, now unelectable, incompetent Tory led coalition government.
.
£100m farce. . Thats the cost of these elections. . All the idea of an out of touch, now unelectable, incompetent Tory led coalition government. . Lone Ranger.
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6:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

good-gosh says...

george h wrote:
A very strange and un-English way to run an election IMO, when the candidate with the most votes comes second.
Agreed. What a soppy method.
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: A very strange and un-English way to run an election IMO, when the candidate with the most votes comes second.[/p][/quote]Agreed. What a soppy method. good-gosh
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6:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Rjhsoton says...

100 million to stage this farce with most people not even knowing who thier respective candidates were.

what a waste of money that could be ploughed directly in the police forces giving more bobby's on the beat instead of another office pen pusher who thinks they know what they will do is better for our safety and cutting crime.

the government again cutting money and benifits from children and disabled while giving high paid jobs to the boys.
100 million to stage this farce with most people not even knowing who thier respective candidates were. what a waste of money that could be ploughed directly in the police forces giving more bobby's on the beat instead of another office pen pusher who thinks they know what they will do is better for our safety and cutting crime. the government again cutting money and benifits from children and disabled while giving high paid jobs to the boys. Rjhsoton
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7:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12

SaintDon13 says...

Not so much a vote for PCC, more a Vote against Party Politics, we are so diillusioned with all of the current shower it just had to be an Independent.
Not so much a vote for PCC, more a Vote against Party Politics, we are so diillusioned with all of the current shower it just had to be an Independent. SaintDon13
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9:12pm Fri 16 Nov 12

megacycle says...

andyfidler1966 wrote:
megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?
The loosers votes would have been handed to the two winning candidates ( assuming you used both votes) In the example of Hayes/Mates you mentioned your vote would still be there.
ok now I understand, we each get one vote which is re-allocated to create a majority.
[quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings. like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find. the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?[/p][/quote]The loosers votes would have been handed to the two winning candidates ( assuming you used both votes) In the example of Hayes/Mates you mentioned your vote would still be there.[/p][/quote]ok now I understand, we each get one vote which is re-allocated to create a majority. megacycle
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9:16pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Skipper38 says...

With the election out of the way, Michael Mates will now have time to repay the money he received for relinquishing his taxpayer funded London apartment back in 2005, which he then put towards the purchase of a House in London, sold recently.

Other MPs who benefitted from this arrangement repaid the money to the Commons fee office years ago.

I Michael will add interest on this free loan from taxpayers, plus an allowance for house price inflation.
With the election out of the way, Michael Mates will now have time to repay the money he received for relinquishing his taxpayer funded London apartment back in 2005, which he then put towards the purchase of a House in London, sold recently. Other MPs who benefitted from this arrangement repaid the money to the Commons fee office years ago. I Michael will add interest on this free loan from taxpayers, plus an allowance for house price inflation. Skipper38
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9:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations. In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost. In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes. Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats. NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers. Paramjit Bahia
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9:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

cantthinkofone says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
At least he's independent. Nothing worse than having the police run by someone with political ties.
Ha. Very droll. :-D

"Independent" my posterior.
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: At least he's independent. Nothing worse than having the police run by someone with political ties.[/p][/quote]Ha. Very droll. :-D "Independent" my posterior. cantthinkofone
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10:28pm Fri 16 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.
I have to agree on more frontline officers. I'm not sure what this new post will actually achieve! £85k salary is almost 4 new officers, that's 4 more bobbies on the beat.

I thought we were cutting back on paperwork people?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: 16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations. In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost. In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes. Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats. NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.[/p][/quote]I have to agree on more frontline officers. I'm not sure what this new post will actually achieve! £85k salary is almost 4 new officers, that's 4 more bobbies on the beat. I thought we were cutting back on paperwork people? IronLady2010
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11:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.
I have to agree on more frontline officers. I'm not sure what this new post will actually achieve! £85k salary is almost 4 new officers, that's 4 more bobbies on the beat.

I thought we were cutting back on paperwork people?
Yes your sums may not be spot on but more than likely are very close to the mark.

On top of mega money for PCC there will also be costs of back up services for this post, legal advisors, secretarial back up, office accommodation and probably even press officers etc.

You may find that shadow Home Secretary has worked out enormous cost of this whole election and exact number of front line jobs it could have paid for. If you contact her office they will gladly provide you the details. I often get good response from them to letters than e-mails, because they tend to get lots of spam from time wasting Nutters.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: 16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations. In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost. In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes. Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats. NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.[/p][/quote]I have to agree on more frontline officers. I'm not sure what this new post will actually achieve! £85k salary is almost 4 new officers, that's 4 more bobbies on the beat. I thought we were cutting back on paperwork people?[/p][/quote]Yes your sums may not be spot on but more than likely are very close to the mark. On top of mega money for PCC there will also be costs of back up services for this post, legal advisors, secretarial back up, office accommodation and probably even press officers etc. You may find that shadow Home Secretary has worked out enormous cost of this whole election and exact number of front line jobs it could have paid for. If you contact her office they will gladly provide you the details. I often get good response from them to letters than e-mails, because they tend to get lots of spam from time wasting Nutters. Paramjit Bahia
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11:08pm Fri 16 Nov 12

megacycle says...

mooky9 wrote:
megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?
I chose not to vote because I think the whole thing is a joke, it is politicising the Police who need to be independent and stay as a service of the crown NOT government puppets. So no not shame on me, it's MY choice not to vote as that is what i wanted to do and the last time I looked that is MY right and MY freedom of choice.
the notion of replacing a non-elected authority with an elected commisioner who is intrinsically more accountable to the population is basically sound; candidates should have been barred from affiliation to political parties, hence the popularity of "independents". Politics and Democracy are different things; apathy and indifference are too easily disguised as principalled disinvolvement.
Yes you have the choice to vote or not, but nobody outside of this thread will know your intention.
[quote][p][bold]mooky9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings. like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find. the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?[/p][/quote]I chose not to vote because I think the whole thing is a joke, it is politicising the Police who need to be independent and stay as a service of the crown NOT government puppets. So no not shame on me, it's MY choice not to vote as that is what i wanted to do and the last time I looked that is MY right and MY freedom of choice.[/p][/quote]the notion of replacing a non-elected authority with an elected commisioner who is intrinsically more accountable to the population is basically sound; candidates should have been barred from affiliation to political parties, hence the popularity of "independents". Politics and Democracy are different things; apathy and indifference are too easily disguised as principalled disinvolvement. Yes you have the choice to vote or not, but nobody outside of this thread will know your intention. megacycle
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11:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Another example of Dodgy Dave's incompetence.

He claimed that he would be tough on crime, and then proceeds to cut the Police budget as a cost-cutting exercise, resulting in less police.

This election fiasco, where there was the lowest turn-out in a national election since WWII, has cost £14m.

£14,000,000!

And Dodgy Dave wonders why we are heading for a TRIPLE-DIP recession!

This was
Another example of Dodgy Dave's incompetence. He claimed that he would be tough on crime, and then proceeds to cut the Police budget as a cost-cutting exercise, resulting in less police. This election fiasco, where there was the lowest turn-out in a national election since WWII, has cost £14m. £14,000,000! And Dodgy Dave wonders why we are heading for a TRIPLE-DIP recession! This was Linesman
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11:23pm Fri 16 Nov 12

megacycle says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.
Don Jerrard was a solicitor, what does he know about policing? plus he stood for the Justice and Anti-corruption Party, which I've never heard of before so sounds like he just didn't want to be an independent candidate.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: 16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations. In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost. In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes. Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats. NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.[/p][/quote]Don Jerrard was a solicitor, what does he know about policing? plus he stood for the Justice and Anti-corruption Party, which I've never heard of before so sounds like he just didn't want to be an independent candidate. megacycle
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12:00am Sat 17 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

megacycle wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.
Don Jerrard was a solicitor, what does he know about policing? plus he stood for the Justice and Anti-corruption Party, which I've never heard of before so sounds like he just didn't want to be an independent candidate.
Please forgive me if I miss understood the situation but I have always been under the impression that if people have legal problem they go to solicitors and it is the cops who make sure the laws are not broken.
[quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: 16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations. In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost. In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes. Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats. NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.[/p][/quote]Don Jerrard was a solicitor, what does he know about policing? plus he stood for the Justice and Anti-corruption Party, which I've never heard of before so sounds like he just didn't want to be an independent candidate.[/p][/quote]Please forgive me if I miss understood the situation but I have always been under the impression that if people have legal problem they go to solicitors and it is the cops who make sure the laws are not broken. Paramjit Bahia
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12:17am Sat 17 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
megacycle wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.
Don Jerrard was a solicitor, what does he know about policing? plus he stood for the Justice and Anti-corruption Party, which I've never heard of before so sounds like he just didn't want to be an independent candidate.
Please forgive me if I miss understood the situation but I have always been under the impression that if people have legal problem they go to solicitors and it is the cops who make sure the laws are not broken.
I would guess a Solicitor would know a great deal about Policing as they are the ones who deal with crims day in day out and come up with the most ridiculous defences?

They know how to twist the system so their client gets off with a lighter sentence, in order to do that they must have a good idea how policing works?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: 16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations. In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost. In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes. Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats. NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.[/p][/quote]Don Jerrard was a solicitor, what does he know about policing? plus he stood for the Justice and Anti-corruption Party, which I've never heard of before so sounds like he just didn't want to be an independent candidate.[/p][/quote]Please forgive me if I miss understood the situation but I have always been under the impression that if people have legal problem they go to solicitors and it is the cops who make sure the laws are not broken.[/p][/quote]I would guess a Solicitor would know a great deal about Policing as they are the ones who deal with crims day in day out and come up with the most ridiculous defences? They know how to twist the system so their client gets off with a lighter sentence, in order to do that they must have a good idea how policing works? IronLady2010
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12:26am Sat 17 Nov 12

megacycle says...

Police have the duty of enforcing the law in the best interest of society. Solicitors have the duty of interpreting the laws in the best interest of their paying client; need I say more?
Police have the duty of enforcing the law in the best interest of society. Solicitors have the duty of interpreting the laws in the best interest of their paying client; need I say more? megacycle
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12:49am Sat 17 Nov 12

george h says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
megacycle wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations.

In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost.

In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes.

Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats.

NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.
Don Jerrard was a solicitor, what does he know about policing? plus he stood for the Justice and Anti-corruption Party, which I've never heard of before so sounds like he just didn't want to be an independent candidate.
Please forgive me if I miss understood the situation but I have always been under the impression that if people have legal problem they go to solicitors and it is the cops who make sure the laws are not broken.
I would guess a Solicitor would know a great deal about Policing as they are the ones who deal with crims day in day out and come up with the most ridiculous defences?

They know how to twist the system so their client gets off with a lighter sentence, in order to do that they must have a good idea how policing works?
Solicitors also work as prosecutors.
And even barristers in private practice are hired to prosecute as well as to defend.

Or had your prejudice blinded you and you hadn't noticed?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: 16 November 2012 will become part of British Police History as dark day when independence and impartiality of our Police got sacrificed at the obnoxious alter of ConDem Coalition and political control introduced against the collective will of the citizens, vast majority of whom have expressed their disgust by staying away from polling stations. In Hampshire contaminated with Nadir the Nasty Party's candidate Mates very rightly got beaten by prominent Tory professing to be independent, and Closet Conservative NuLabour's Jacqui Rayment also lost. In free society all of us have the right to hold our own opinion. So in my view only Don Jerrard was correct candidate. Because although not a lefty, he has enormous legal experince, still provides free legal advice to many people, is genuinely independent parish councillor and had declared that he will not pocket £85000 but give it to various causes. Although most people have expressed their disgust with Amercanising of our police by refusing to participate in these so called elections, and in one polling station in Wales not even a single person voted. But same lot who keep on criticising trade union decisions because sometime only 35 or 40 % of their members vote, are and will keep on shamelessly justifying this departure in policing, rather than admitting it to be Consrvatives biggest mistake supported by those allergic to any principles the Liberal-Democrats. NuLabour's shadow Home Secretary Cooper is right money wasted on this folly could have paid for many frontline police officers.[/p][/quote]Don Jerrard was a solicitor, what does he know about policing? plus he stood for the Justice and Anti-corruption Party, which I've never heard of before so sounds like he just didn't want to be an independent candidate.[/p][/quote]Please forgive me if I miss understood the situation but I have always been under the impression that if people have legal problem they go to solicitors and it is the cops who make sure the laws are not broken.[/p][/quote]I would guess a Solicitor would know a great deal about Policing as they are the ones who deal with crims day in day out and come up with the most ridiculous defences? They know how to twist the system so their client gets off with a lighter sentence, in order to do that they must have a good idea how policing works?[/p][/quote]Solicitors also work as prosecutors. And even barristers in private practice are hired to prosecute as well as to defend. Or had your prejudice blinded you and you hadn't noticed? george h
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1:04am Sat 17 Nov 12

megacycle says...

megacycle wrote:
Police have the duty of enforcing the law in the best interest of society. Solicitors have the duty of interpreting the laws in the best interest of their paying client; need I say more?
apparently I do. Jerrard was my least prefrerred.
[quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: Police have the duty of enforcing the law in the best interest of society. Solicitors have the duty of interpreting the laws in the best interest of their paying client; need I say more?[/p][/quote]apparently I do. Jerrard was my least prefrerred. megacycle
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1:14am Sat 17 Nov 12

george h says...

megacycle wrote:
megacycle wrote:
Police have the duty of enforcing the law in the best interest of society. Solicitors have the duty of interpreting the laws in the best interest of their paying client; need I say more?
apparently I do. Jerrard was my least prefrerred.
Solicitors also work as prosecutors.
And even barristers in private practice are hired to prosecute as well as to defend.

Or had your prejudice blinded you and you hadn't noticed?
[quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: Police have the duty of enforcing the law in the best interest of society. Solicitors have the duty of interpreting the laws in the best interest of their paying client; need I say more?[/p][/quote]apparently I do. Jerrard was my least prefrerred.[/p][/quote]Solicitors also work as prosecutors. And even barristers in private practice are hired to prosecute as well as to defend. Or had your prejudice blinded you and you hadn't noticed? george h
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8:35am Sat 17 Nov 12

cliffwalker says...

Dresnez wrote:
To get the results declared void, sign the e petition:

http://epetitions.di

rect.gov.uk/petition

s/41806
I've signed the petition and I deliberately spoiled my paper in the election but I've no great hope anything will happen that our masters in Whitehall don't approve.
[quote][p][bold]Dresnez[/bold] wrote: To get the results declared void, sign the e petition: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41806[/p][/quote]I've signed the petition and I deliberately spoiled my paper in the election but I've no great hope anything will happen that our masters in Whitehall don't approve. cliffwalker
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10:59am Sat 17 Nov 12

Linesman says...

We have a government that claims it is trying to cut costs and save money, but has just wasted £14m on an election that nobody, other than themselves, wanted.

It was to elect people to run the Police, who have just seen a cut in their budget that has seen a reduction in police numbers.

It would appear that the patients are running the Westminster Asylum.
We have a government that claims it is trying to cut costs and save money, but has just wasted £14m on an election that nobody, other than themselves, wanted. It was to elect people to run the Police, who have just seen a cut in their budget that has seen a reduction in police numbers. It would appear that the patients are running the Westminster Asylum. Linesman
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11:36am Sat 17 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

megacycle wrote:
I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings.
like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find.
the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?
I exercised my right not to vote as I disagree with the politicising of the police, contrary to the initial setting up by Sir Robert Peel of the very successful Met Police which due to political interference has been slowly getting worse and worse. As I was in the company of the clear majority this time we should now have a vote on whether we want to waste our money on PCCs. bet a lot more will turn out to vote then. Could of course save even more money by doing a referendum on the EU at the same time.
[quote][p][bold]megacycle[/bold] wrote: I trust all of you posters bothered to vote (I did) otherwise you've no right to complain. Shame on anyone who chose not to vote on an issue which will affect all our lives; democracy is still a privelige in this world, whatever its shortcomings. like so many others, i knew very little about the candidates, and was mystified by the lack of campaigning. so i based my decision on the limited on-line information i could find. the fact that Hayes won on second choice votes(mine included) is most intriguing, though I'm confused by the statement that these were from the other four candidates- does that mean that if you voted hayes first with mates second, that wouldn't be included? if so, why?[/p][/quote]I exercised my right not to vote as I disagree with the politicising of the police, contrary to the initial setting up by Sir Robert Peel of the very successful Met Police which due to political interference has been slowly getting worse and worse. As I was in the company of the clear majority this time we should now have a vote on whether we want to waste our money on PCCs. bet a lot more will turn out to vote then. Could of course save even more money by doing a referendum on the EU at the same time. Inform Al
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12:16pm Sat 17 Nov 12

peenut81 says...

All of you thinking it was smart not to or 'exercising your right not to vote' wasted an opportunity, the 6000 people who spoiled their paper made the protest, your non vote is interpreted as implicit compliance/acceptanc
e of the proposal. It is not considered a rejection or apathy.
Please, please if future elections if you disagree spoil the paper, don't stay at home.
2. All this talk of 'golden era of policing', my friendly bobby, prefer to chat to the local sergeant is nonsense. The police (as an institution- not all members) have been a violent, unaccountable, group of prejudiced power hungry arses since Thatcher gave them the extra money and middle class status to crush the miners.
3. This election had one purpose, to backdoor privatisation, Cameron can now turn it on to us the public as police forces get outsourced by saying we had a chance in these elections to voice our opinion, we didn't, therefore we can't object when G4S, Haliburton, Lockheed martin start employing ex-doorstaff and non-dom migrants to protect private property and stop answering calls related to violence or disorder which are not profit orientated.
All of you thinking it was smart not to or 'exercising your right not to vote' wasted an opportunity, the 6000 people who spoiled their paper made the protest, your non vote is interpreted as implicit compliance/acceptanc e of the proposal. It is not considered a rejection or apathy. Please, please if future elections if you disagree spoil the paper, don't stay at home. 2. All this talk of 'golden era of policing', my friendly bobby, prefer to chat to the local sergeant is nonsense. The police (as an institution- not all members) have been a violent, unaccountable, group of prejudiced power hungry arses since Thatcher gave them the extra money and middle class status to crush the miners. 3. This election had one purpose, to backdoor privatisation, Cameron can now turn it on to us the public as police forces get outsourced by saying we had a chance in these elections to voice our opinion, we didn't, therefore we can't object when G4S, Haliburton, Lockheed martin start employing ex-doorstaff and non-dom migrants to protect private property and stop answering calls related to violence or disorder which are not profit orientated. peenut81
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1:43pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

peenut81 wrote:
All of you thinking it was smart not to or 'exercising your right not to vote' wasted an opportunity, the 6000 people who spoiled their paper made the protest, your non vote is interpreted as implicit compliance/acceptanc

e of the proposal. It is not considered a rejection or apathy.
Please, please if future elections if you disagree spoil the paper, don't stay at home.
2. All this talk of 'golden era of policing', my friendly bobby, prefer to chat to the local sergeant is nonsense. The police (as an institution- not all members) have been a violent, unaccountable, group of prejudiced power hungry arses since Thatcher gave them the extra money and middle class status to crush the miners.
3. This election had one purpose, to backdoor privatisation, Cameron can now turn it on to us the public as police forces get outsourced by saying we had a chance in these elections to voice our opinion, we didn't, therefore we can't object when G4S, Haliburton, Lockheed martin start employing ex-doorstaff and non-dom migrants to protect private property and stop answering calls related to violence or disorder which are not profit orientated.
Reasonable analysis by Peenut81.

Immediately after his win in Wiltshire their PCC was on radio saying his priority will be to buy services from outside including so called private sector. Which in my lay man's lingo means privatisation of the police.

Once started It could end up in hiring thugs to beat the hell out of trade unionists protesting for reasonable wage so they can afford food, or people demonstrating against government helping the super rich while asking the poor to pay even more, or peace protesters who want to make their views known as they did over Iraq or even the so called bobbies whose mates minted money through overtime while beating the miners but now trying to protest because the government has started to pick upon them who in the past were regarded holy cows by the establishment.

By the way now with the help of even BBC and rest of the media having covered up atrocities against the miners now even North Yorkshire's Police has asked IPCC to examine parts of that affair. In other words after unable to keep the lid on after Hillsborough they can't hide the truth anymore. So have kicked their shame into the long grass.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: All of you thinking it was smart not to or 'exercising your right not to vote' wasted an opportunity, the 6000 people who spoiled their paper made the protest, your non vote is interpreted as implicit compliance/acceptanc e of the proposal. It is not considered a rejection or apathy. Please, please if future elections if you disagree spoil the paper, don't stay at home. 2. All this talk of 'golden era of policing', my friendly bobby, prefer to chat to the local sergeant is nonsense. The police (as an institution- not all members) have been a violent, unaccountable, group of prejudiced power hungry arses since Thatcher gave them the extra money and middle class status to crush the miners. 3. This election had one purpose, to backdoor privatisation, Cameron can now turn it on to us the public as police forces get outsourced by saying we had a chance in these elections to voice our opinion, we didn't, therefore we can't object when G4S, Haliburton, Lockheed martin start employing ex-doorstaff and non-dom migrants to protect private property and stop answering calls related to violence or disorder which are not profit orientated.[/p][/quote]Reasonable analysis by Peenut81. Immediately after his win in Wiltshire their PCC was on radio saying his priority will be to buy services from outside including so called private sector. Which in my lay man's lingo means privatisation of the police. Once started It could end up in hiring thugs to beat the hell out of trade unionists protesting for reasonable wage so they can afford food, or people demonstrating against government helping the super rich while asking the poor to pay even more, or peace protesters who want to make their views known as they did over Iraq or even the so called bobbies whose mates minted money through overtime while beating the miners but now trying to protest because the government has started to pick upon them who in the past were regarded holy cows by the establishment. By the way now with the help of even BBC and rest of the media having covered up atrocities against the miners now even North Yorkshire's Police has asked IPCC to examine parts of that affair. In other words after unable to keep the lid on after Hillsborough they can't hide the truth anymore. So have kicked their shame into the long grass. Paramjit Bahia
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4:14pm Sat 17 Nov 12

kingnotail says...

At least it wasn't that awful c**t Michael Mates.
At least it wasn't that awful c**t Michael Mates. kingnotail
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2:50am Sun 18 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

Mr Hayes, can you push for more prisons? I'm sure if you contact the other new Commissioners and ask them to do the same, we can build more prisons and get more criminals off the streets.

Without more prisons, you are fighting a losing battle, fines, Asbo's etc have proven not to work. If we can lock people up for longer then us normal people can relax.

Chucking someone in prison for 6 years and letting them out in 2 years after they've been playing pool and selling drugs inside isn't any kind of punishment.

Start with the punishment side and work down.
Mr Hayes, can you push for more prisons? I'm sure if you contact the other new Commissioners and ask them to do the same, we can build more prisons and get more criminals off the streets. Without more prisons, you are fighting a losing battle, fines, Asbo's etc have proven not to work. If we can lock people up for longer then us normal people can relax. Chucking someone in prison for 6 years and letting them out in 2 years after they've been playing pool and selling drugs inside isn't any kind of punishment. Start with the punishment side and work down. IronLady2010
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