Bosses at Transit factory plant claim Southampton MP John Denham would disrupt staff

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FORD bosses have banned Southampton MP John Denham from visiting its threatened Swaythling plant site, claiming his presence would “disrupt output”.

Mr Denham was due to meet local union officials and managers at the Swaythling plant yesterday but was told the meeting was cancelled.

After having the meeting in his diary for months, long before the planned closure was announced, Mr Denham was fed excuse after excuse as he tried to find out why he was not able to have the meeting.

Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action.

“I could believe that they were saying this. I thought it was ridiculous and I said as much to them.

“At the beginning of the week my office rang up to confirm the arrangement not thinking that the visit was not going ahead.

“I then rang their communications people. I just thought it was extraordinary. I said that their reputation has been pretty badly damaged since all this happened, I said to them, ‘Are you really sure that you want to cancel this meeting?’”, said the Labour MP.

A shock announcement that the Transit factory would be shutdown in July next year with the loss of more than 500 jobs was made three weeks ago. It has being making Transits since 1972.

Ford plans to move production to Turkey, where a larger plant already makes Transit vans and has received a £80m euro loan to help retool the factory for the next model of the iconic white van.

Unions, who are opposing the plant closure, called the cancellation of the meeting with Mr Denham “deeply disappointing”.

Mr Denham added that he was still happy to meet with union representatives.

“I can meet and I’m sure I will meet somewhere offsite. It just seems ridiculous that we’re reduced to meeting somewhere that isn’t at the site in question,” he said.

Meanwhile Unite, the union representing Ford workers, is set to meet with company bosses at the plant next week to discuss possibility of alternate or new work continuing beyond July.

Andy Cox, Unite’s deputy convener at the plant, said Ford had made a commitment to sit down for the talks about “viable business opportunities”.

Unite assistant general secretary Tony Burke will be part of the negotiations, he said.

A spokesman for Ford, said: “We are in an important consultation period with our employees and their representatives during which any discussions remain confidential between the company and its employees.

“We fully recognise the impact this planned action is having on our employees at Southampton and it is important for the company to prioritise this consultation process and to focus on the interests of its employees during this sensitive phase.

“The company met with Mr Denham and other local MPs on November 8 and has committed to keeping them fully up to date on the progress of discussions.

We expect further meetings with MPs and other stakeholders as the consultation process progresses.”

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8:41am Sun 18 Nov 12

Pikey Pete says...

What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway.

I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care.

Glad to see the back of him.

So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.
What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway. I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care. Glad to see the back of him. So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL. Pikey Pete

8:44am Sun 18 Nov 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

the so called members of parliament have sold the people out lock stock and barrell for years , a visit from the ice cream man would be more meaningful.
the so called members of parliament have sold the people out lock stock and barrell for years , a visit from the ice cream man would be more meaningful. arthur dalyrimple

9:04am Sun 18 Nov 12

saint61 says...

"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT saint61

9:17am Sun 18 Nov 12

mooky9 says...

It's their factory and I don't blame them for telling this odious little weasel to sling his hook.

On a side note Ford... I think your staff are gonna strike anyway, can't really blame them when you act in such a disgraceful way.
It's their factory and I don't blame them for telling this odious little weasel to sling his hook. On a side note Ford... I think your staff are gonna strike anyway, can't really blame them when you act in such a disgraceful way. mooky9

9:39am Sun 18 Nov 12

Linesman says...

**** Pete wrote:
What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway.

I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care.

Glad to see the back of him.

So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.
Read the article.

The meeting had been planned for MONTHS.

He had been showing interest BEFORE the Solids hit the Fan.

Had 'Nooky' Nokes shown any interest in having a meeting becore all this blew up?

Could it possibly be that, after the event. she wanted to be shown as 'The MP who cared'?

I suggest you move your caravan to another neck of the woods and don' t leave your trash on here.
[quote][p][bold]**** Pete[/bold] wrote: What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway. I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care. Glad to see the back of him. So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.[/p][/quote]Read the article. The meeting had been planned for MONTHS. He had been showing interest BEFORE the Solids hit the Fan. Had 'Nooky' Nokes shown any interest in having a meeting becore all this blew up? Could it possibly be that, after the event. she wanted to be shown as 'The MP who cared'? I suggest you move your caravan to another neck of the woods and don' t leave your trash on here. Linesman

10:40am Sun 18 Nov 12

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
**** Pete wrote:
What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway.

I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care.

Glad to see the back of him.

So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.
Read the article.

The meeting had been planned for MONTHS.

He had been showing interest BEFORE the Solids hit the Fan.

Had 'Nooky' Nokes shown any interest in having a meeting becore all this blew up?

Could it possibly be that, after the event. she wanted to be shown as 'The MP who cared'?

I suggest you move your caravan to another neck of the woods and don' t leave your trash on here.
Linesman what JD should of done here was to get intouch with the Union and relocated the meeting near by at the same time and give Ford managerment the offer to be at the meeting.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]**** Pete[/bold] wrote: What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway. I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care. Glad to see the back of him. So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.[/p][/quote]Read the article. The meeting had been planned for MONTHS. He had been showing interest BEFORE the Solids hit the Fan. Had 'Nooky' Nokes shown any interest in having a meeting becore all this blew up? Could it possibly be that, after the event. she wanted to be shown as 'The MP who cared'? I suggest you move your caravan to another neck of the woods and don' t leave your trash on here.[/p][/quote]Linesman what JD should of done here was to get intouch with the Union and relocated the meeting near by at the same time and give Ford managerment the offer to be at the meeting. southy

10:42am Sun 18 Nov 12

Donald2000 says...

**** Pete wrote:
What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway.

I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care.

Glad to see the back of him.

So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.
Have I got news for you, **** Pete. John Denham is an excellent constituency MP and has done a lot for his constituents, without fear or favour. And I dont vote for any of them; yet John Denham has helped me and others on a number of occasions. You sound as if you have never had any contact with him, are totally unfamiliar with his good work and are just blowing out a lot of hot air. Get your facts right, mate.
[quote][p][bold]**** Pete[/bold] wrote: What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway. I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care. Glad to see the back of him. So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.[/p][/quote]Have I got news for you, **** Pete. John Denham is an excellent constituency MP and has done a lot for his constituents, without fear or favour. And I dont vote for any of them; yet John Denham has helped me and others on a number of occasions. You sound as if you have never had any contact with him, are totally unfamiliar with his good work and are just blowing out a lot of hot air. Get your facts right, mate. Donald2000

11:24am Sun 18 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Probably Ford's bosses got John Denham mixed up with my very good socialist friend Peter i.e Southy!!!

Seriously whatever tribal lot on this site may think of him Pete's basic argument that workers will only be heard if they stand up and get counted is correct. That action has to be organised all over the place, occupying a singel plant may be exciting but will not produce proper results
Probably Ford's bosses got John Denham mixed up with my very good socialist friend Peter i.e Southy!!! Seriously whatever tribal lot on this site may think of him Pete's basic argument that workers will only be heard if they stand up and get counted is correct. That action has to be organised all over the place, occupying a singel plant may be exciting but will not produce proper results Paramjit Bahia

11:26am Sun 18 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

“Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he (Politically Dodgy Denham) would urge workers to do something such as industrial action”.

On reading that I had to make sure that it is not 1st April joke by ruthless unreliable workers blood sucker multinational Ford.

Yes Denham used to utter his usual opportunist sound bite ‘Extra Parliamentary Actions’ when he joined the Labour Party after jumping ship of another right wing set up to further his political ambitions, so had started to hang around true Bevanite Labour man the late Brian Roost. But then went on to support former Tories like Truscott and former Liberals like Crighton and others of their ilk whom so called Trotskyist Militant also supported (and they still have the cheek to call themselves socialists) who back stabbed my closet friend and comrade Brian in the back.

But that was many decades ago, otherwise I cannot remember Denham ever supporting trade union members to the hilt.

Most certainly when earning a **** good dosh as prominent cabinet member of last lousy New Labour (Read right of even Thatcher) government he certainly supported robbing the people to help super rich and giving billions to bankers (should it be spelt with W?) but I can’t recall him or his fellow ministers encouraging workers to take over means of production. YES they did not reverse any anti trade union laws passed by previous Tory governments either.

Even when bungler Brown led traitors of NuLabour had to leave because many ordinary people, refused to back these Tories in Labour’s stolen clothes, Denham and his buddies have not exactly supported the union members. YES they have taken their millions, but openly disassociated with local authority workers in their hour of need.

So I can’t imagine how Ford’s spin doctors could make such excuse for not meeting John Denham. Perhaps that kind of fib is all we should expect from an immoral multinational, which could not be honest with Britain’s democratically elected government… Yes same democracy under whose excuse Ford’s home nation the USA goes on bombing around the globe.

Whatever anybody’s views on John Denham (I respect him for his hard work for his constituents and clever brain but have never ever supported his ever changing opportunist political postures) he is democratically elected local Member of Parliament. Ford should respect holder of that high office.

Most of the time Denham certainly would like to look into matters that concerns his constituents, if the culprits are not members of his own NuLabour (For example his friend Dear Leader Cllr. Williams of Southampton Council which is also cutting the services of Denham’s constituents and throwing workers out of jobs) So I am convinced he was genuinely trying to have some constructive dialogue with Ford.

By refusing to meet Denham, multinational Ford has not only snubbed him, they have in fact by refusing to meet a democratically elected representative of the people an MP, shown two fingers to UK’s democracy.

That is why which ever political tribe we belong to, or to none at all, we must unite to fully back John Denham on this and condemns Ford’s arrogant management in the strongest possible terms without any reservation.
“Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he (Politically Dodgy Denham) would urge workers to do something such as industrial action”. On reading that I had to make sure that it is not 1st April joke by ruthless unreliable workers blood sucker multinational Ford. Yes Denham used to utter his usual opportunist sound bite ‘Extra Parliamentary Actions’ when he joined the Labour Party after jumping ship of another right wing set up to further his political ambitions, so had started to hang around true Bevanite Labour man the late Brian Roost. But then went on to support former Tories like Truscott and former Liberals like Crighton and others of their ilk whom so called Trotskyist Militant also supported (and they still have the cheek to call themselves socialists) who back stabbed my closet friend and comrade Brian in the back. But that was many decades ago, otherwise I cannot remember Denham ever supporting trade union members to the hilt. Most certainly when earning a **** good dosh as prominent cabinet member of last lousy New Labour (Read right of even Thatcher) government he certainly supported robbing the people to help super rich and giving billions to bankers (should it be spelt with W?) but I can’t recall him or his fellow ministers encouraging workers to take over means of production. YES they did not reverse any anti trade union laws passed by previous Tory governments either. Even when bungler Brown led traitors of NuLabour had to leave because many ordinary people, refused to back these Tories in Labour’s stolen clothes, Denham and his buddies have not exactly supported the union members. YES they have taken their millions, but openly disassociated with local authority workers in their hour of need. So I can’t imagine how Ford’s spin doctors could make such excuse for not meeting John Denham. Perhaps that kind of fib is all we should expect from an immoral multinational, which could not be honest with Britain’s democratically elected government… Yes same democracy under whose excuse Ford’s home nation the USA goes on bombing around the globe. Whatever anybody’s views on John Denham (I respect him for his hard work for his constituents and clever brain but have never ever supported his ever changing opportunist political postures) he is democratically elected local Member of Parliament. Ford should respect holder of that high office. Most of the time Denham certainly would like to look into matters that concerns his constituents, if the culprits are not members of his own NuLabour (For example his friend Dear Leader Cllr. Williams of Southampton Council which is also cutting the services of Denham’s constituents and throwing workers out of jobs) So I am convinced he was genuinely trying to have some constructive dialogue with Ford. By refusing to meet Denham, multinational Ford has not only snubbed him, they have in fact by refusing to meet a democratically elected representative of the people an MP, shown two fingers to UK’s democracy. That is why which ever political tribe we belong to, or to none at all, we must unite to fully back John Denham on this and condemns Ford’s arrogant management in the strongest possible terms without any reservation. Paramjit Bahia

11:47am Sun 18 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT andysaints007

11:57am Sun 18 Nov 12

southy says...

andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT[/p][/quote]Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still. southy

12:02pm Sun 18 Nov 12

madmandy says...

have i
read this right he made a meeting date months ago. so what was that meeting going to be about as closure was only let out of the bag one month ago .
have i read this right he made a meeting date months ago. so what was that meeting going to be about as closure was only let out of the bag one month ago . madmandy

12:13pm Sun 18 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.
And what would that achieve??? IDIOT
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT[/p][/quote]Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.[/p][/quote]And what would that achieve??? IDIOT andysaints007

12:26pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Chas O'Bursledon says...

Good grief! What a load of bile and drivel! John is a good man who has done much good for his constituents. I met him to discuss management of disability and he was an absolute star. He caused doors to be opened and progress made. I'll bet that most if not all of the above commentators have not even met him!

Judge not, lest ye be judged, my Internet chums!!
Good grief! What a load of bile and drivel! John is a good man who has done much good for his constituents. I met him to discuss management of disability and he was an absolute star. He caused doors to be opened and progress made. I'll bet that most if not all of the above commentators have not even met him! Judge not, lest ye be judged, my Internet chums!! Chas O'Bursledon

12:48pm Sun 18 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Good grief! What a load of bile and drivel! John is a good man who has done much good for his constituents. I met him to discuss management of disability and he was an absolute star. He caused doors to be opened and progress made. I'll bet that most if not all of the above commentators have not even met him!

Judge not, lest ye be judged, my Internet chums!!
Well I haven't me you and can still tell that you are a complete and utter TW&T
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: Good grief! What a load of bile and drivel! John is a good man who has done much good for his constituents. I met him to discuss management of disability and he was an absolute star. He caused doors to be opened and progress made. I'll bet that most if not all of the above commentators have not even met him! Judge not, lest ye be judged, my Internet chums!![/p][/quote]Well I haven't me you and can still tell that you are a complete and utter TW&T andysaints007

12:56pm Sun 18 Nov 12

southy says...

andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.
And what would that achieve??? IDIOT
And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have.
But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life.
The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT[/p][/quote]Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.[/p][/quote]And what would that achieve??? IDIOT[/p][/quote]And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have. But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life. The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing. southy

1:00pm Sun 18 Nov 12

southy says...

andysaints007
have you got a speach problem, it seems that you have calling people names, or are you cyber bully, if you are then move on it will not work with me and a few others on here.
andysaints007 have you got a speach problem, it seems that you have calling people names, or are you cyber bully, if you are then move on it will not work with me and a few others on here. southy

1:05pm Sun 18 Nov 12

saint61 says...

These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done! saint61

1:15pm Sun 18 Nov 12

southy says...

saint61 wrote:
These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
They can't move to Turkey earlier than july, they would lose a great deal of money, every thing as all ready been book for set ups and starts up in Turkey, they not even started the retooling of the Turkey plant yet, that will not be started till the shut down for two weeks next year. remember its not just the UK its all Fords plants all over the EU.
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]They can't move to Turkey earlier than july, they would lose a great deal of money, every thing as all ready been book for set ups and starts up in Turkey, they not even started the retooling of the Turkey plant yet, that will not be started till the shut down for two weeks next year. remember its not just the UK its all Fords plants all over the EU. southy

1:22pm Sun 18 Nov 12

saint61 says...

southy wrote:
saint61 wrote:
These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
They can't move to Turkey earlier than july, they would lose a great deal of money, every thing as all ready been book for set ups and starts up in Turkey, they not even started the retooling of the Turkey plant yet, that will not be started till the shut down for two weeks next year. remember its not just the UK its all Fords plants all over the EU.
Southy! Sorry but Turkey are already producing the transit and are under utilised. Therefore can accommodate what Southampton produce at very short notice. They are already tooled up.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]They can't move to Turkey earlier than july, they would lose a great deal of money, every thing as all ready been book for set ups and starts up in Turkey, they not even started the retooling of the Turkey plant yet, that will not be started till the shut down for two weeks next year. remember its not just the UK its all Fords plants all over the EU.[/p][/quote]Southy! Sorry but Turkey are already producing the transit and are under utilised. Therefore can accommodate what Southampton produce at very short notice. They are already tooled up. saint61

1:23pm Sun 18 Nov 12

ohec says...

It will be a very sad day if anybody who works at Ford go on strike, does anybody really think that Ford would bother that much because i don't it might even play into their hands.All this has been brought about because contractors/agency workers have not been offered a severance package and there is no reason why they should be as they are not employed by Ford,if Ford said to its own employees forget the package we offered you we are going to take that money we allocated so we can redistribute it to include all the contractors and agency workers, what sort of answer do you think they would get ??. None of the contractors/agency workers have any claim against Ford whatsoever any claim they may or may not have is against their employer not the Ford Motor Company.
Has it not occurred to anybody that this situation may have been engineered right from the start, stranger things have happened.
It will be a very sad day if anybody who works at Ford go on strike, does anybody really think that Ford would bother that much because i don't it might even play into their hands.All this has been brought about because contractors/agency workers have not been offered a severance package and there is no reason why they should be as they are not employed by Ford,if Ford said to its own employees forget the package we offered you we are going to take that money we allocated so we can redistribute it to include all the contractors and agency workers, what sort of answer do you think they would get ??. None of the contractors/agency workers have any claim against Ford whatsoever any claim they may or may not have is against their employer not the Ford Motor Company. Has it not occurred to anybody that this situation may have been engineered right from the start, stranger things have happened. ohec

1:49pm Sun 18 Nov 12

southy says...

saint61 wrote:
southy wrote:
saint61 wrote:
These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
They can't move to Turkey earlier than july, they would lose a great deal of money, every thing as all ready been book for set ups and starts up in Turkey, they not even started the retooling of the Turkey plant yet, that will not be started till the shut down for two weeks next year. remember its not just the UK its all Fords plants all over the EU.
Southy! Sorry but Turkey are already producing the transit and are under utilised. Therefore can accommodate what Southampton produce at very short notice. They are already tooled up.
The model is due to be change next year, thats what the EU loan is for that they just got, is to retool the line ready for the new model, the reason why they kept the chassis here is because there was not enough room inside the building.
Retooling will be done when the annual Factory close down happens for maintenance work next year around the end of june.
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]They can't move to Turkey earlier than july, they would lose a great deal of money, every thing as all ready been book for set ups and starts up in Turkey, they not even started the retooling of the Turkey plant yet, that will not be started till the shut down for two weeks next year. remember its not just the UK its all Fords plants all over the EU.[/p][/quote]Southy! Sorry but Turkey are already producing the transit and are under utilised. Therefore can accommodate what Southampton produce at very short notice. They are already tooled up.[/p][/quote]The model is due to be change next year, thats what the EU loan is for that they just got, is to retool the line ready for the new model, the reason why they kept the chassis here is because there was not enough room inside the building. Retooling will be done when the annual Factory close down happens for maintenance work next year around the end of june. southy

1:58pm Sun 18 Nov 12

binghammac says...

Would Mr Denham, in light of the loan made to Ford by the European Union to enhance production in Turkey at the expense of the UK plant, let readers know where he stands in respect of the UK's continued membership of the corrupt, disfunctional European Union?
Would Mr Denham, in light of the loan made to Ford by the European Union to enhance production in Turkey at the expense of the UK plant, let readers know where he stands in respect of the UK's continued membership of the corrupt, disfunctional European Union? binghammac

2:12pm Sun 18 Nov 12

loosehead says...

saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Really?
Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose.
go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Really? Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose. go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT' loosehead

2:17pm Sun 18 Nov 12

loosehead says...

saint61 wrote:
These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
Let me see if I've got this right?
A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike?
Who are they striking against?
Isn't secondary Picketing illegal?
What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong?
If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]Let me see if I've got this right? A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike? Who are they striking against? Isn't secondary Picketing illegal? What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong? If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they? loosehead

2:31pm Sun 18 Nov 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
Let me see if I've got this right?
A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike?
Who are they striking against?
Isn't secondary Picketing illegal?
What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong?
If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?
That is not secondary picketing
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]Let me see if I've got this right? A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike? Who are they striking against? Isn't secondary Picketing illegal? What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong? If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?[/p][/quote]That is not secondary picketing southy

2:37pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Linesman says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
**** Pete wrote:
What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway.

I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care.

Glad to see the back of him.

So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.
Read the article.

The meeting had been planned for MONTHS.

He had been showing interest BEFORE the Solids hit the Fan.

Had 'Nooky' Nokes shown any interest in having a meeting becore all this blew up?

Could it possibly be that, after the event. she wanted to be shown as 'The MP who cared'?

I suggest you move your caravan to another neck of the woods and don' t leave your trash on here.
Linesman what JD should of done here was to get intouch with the Union and relocated the meeting near by at the same time and give Ford managerment the offer to be at the meeting.
I agree, but that is the course of action he should take now.

Until he received an explanation from Ford, it was reasonable for him to assume that the meeting, that they had previously agreed to, would take place, so he would not have considered a change of plan.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]**** Pete[/bold] wrote: What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway. I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care. Glad to see the back of him. So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.[/p][/quote]Read the article. The meeting had been planned for MONTHS. He had been showing interest BEFORE the Solids hit the Fan. Had 'Nooky' Nokes shown any interest in having a meeting becore all this blew up? Could it possibly be that, after the event. she wanted to be shown as 'The MP who cared'? I suggest you move your caravan to another neck of the woods and don' t leave your trash on here.[/p][/quote]Linesman what JD should of done here was to get intouch with the Union and relocated the meeting near by at the same time and give Ford managerment the offer to be at the meeting.[/p][/quote]I agree, but that is the course of action he should take now. Until he received an explanation from Ford, it was reasonable for him to assume that the meeting, that they had previously agreed to, would take place, so he would not have considered a change of plan. Linesman

2:40pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Linesman says...

andysaints007 wrote:
Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Good grief! What a load of bile and drivel! John is a good man who has done much good for his constituents. I met him to discuss management of disability and he was an absolute star. He caused doors to be opened and progress made. I'll bet that most if not all of the above commentators have not even met him!

Judge not, lest ye be judged, my Internet chums!!
Well I haven't me you and can still tell that you are a complete and utter TW&T
Is there an interpreter in the house?

What did that mean?
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: Good grief! What a load of bile and drivel! John is a good man who has done much good for his constituents. I met him to discuss management of disability and he was an absolute star. He caused doors to be opened and progress made. I'll bet that most if not all of the above commentators have not even met him! Judge not, lest ye be judged, my Internet chums!![/p][/quote]Well I haven't me you and can still tell that you are a complete and utter TW&T[/p][/quote]Is there an interpreter in the house? What did that mean? Linesman

2:41pm Sun 18 Nov 12

saint61 says...

loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Really?
Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose.
go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'
Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Really? Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose. go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'[/p][/quote]Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans. saint61

3:15pm Sun 18 Nov 12

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
**** Pete wrote:
What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway.

I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care.

Glad to see the back of him.

So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.
Read the article.

The meeting had been planned for MONTHS.

He had been showing interest BEFORE the Solids hit the Fan.

Had 'Nooky' Nokes shown any interest in having a meeting becore all this blew up?

Could it possibly be that, after the event. she wanted to be shown as 'The MP who cared'?

I suggest you move your caravan to another neck of the woods and don' t leave your trash on here.
Linesman what JD should of done here was to get intouch with the Union and relocated the meeting near by at the same time and give Ford managerment the offer to be at the meeting.
I agree, but that is the course of action he should take now.

Until he received an explanation from Ford, it was reasonable for him to assume that the meeting, that they had previously agreed to, would take place, so he would not have considered a change of plan.
The only change would be the location of the meeting, it could still go ahead, and JD should of all ready done this all ready, you do it the moment you know.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]**** Pete[/bold] wrote: What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway. I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care. Glad to see the back of him. So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.[/p][/quote]Read the article. The meeting had been planned for MONTHS. He had been showing interest BEFORE the Solids hit the Fan. Had 'Nooky' Nokes shown any interest in having a meeting becore all this blew up? Could it possibly be that, after the event. she wanted to be shown as 'The MP who cared'? I suggest you move your caravan to another neck of the woods and don' t leave your trash on here.[/p][/quote]Linesman what JD should of done here was to get intouch with the Union and relocated the meeting near by at the same time and give Ford managerment the offer to be at the meeting.[/p][/quote]I agree, but that is the course of action he should take now. Until he received an explanation from Ford, it was reasonable for him to assume that the meeting, that they had previously agreed to, would take place, so he would not have considered a change of plan.[/p][/quote]The only change would be the location of the meeting, it could still go ahead, and JD should of all ready done this all ready, you do it the moment you know. southy

3:24pm Sun 18 Nov 12

ohec says...

Can somebody please explain to me and know doubt many more what claim contractors / agency workers think they have with the Ford Motor Company, the whole idea of using contractors/agency workers is that the company using them in this case Ford have no obligation towards the individual Fords only commitment is to the supplying company/agency and that is who their contract is with, that enables Ford to tell the contractors/agency workers to go fly a kite without any payment whatsoever and every contractor/agency worker knows that. If they put at risk any payments to Ford employed staff they will be very popular.
Can somebody please explain to me and know doubt many more what claim contractors / agency workers think they have with the Ford Motor Company, the whole idea of using contractors/agency workers is that the company using them in this case Ford have no obligation towards the individual Fords only commitment is to the supplying company/agency and that is who their contract is with, that enables Ford to tell the contractors/agency workers to go fly a kite without any payment whatsoever and every contractor/agency worker knows that. If they put at risk any payments to Ford employed staff they will be very popular. ohec

3:27pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Niel says...

**** Pete wrote:
What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway.

I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care.

Glad to see the back of him.

So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.
Like so many in nu-labia, he's paying of lip-service to the hands that feed them, the Union's, and it doesn't help. As a Unite Rep. the sooner the politicians wind their necks in and stop posturing, the better.

My old man was works convener when or soon after Ford's took over Brigg's Motor Bodies, it's always been Ford's way, use a site and staff for as long as it's economically viable, then move on, IBM and all the big USA companies do the same thing. But in the old mans day he'd have shut the place down and cost the company dearly before now, these days it's too much effort, and 'lightning strikes' are illegal, something else Bliar and co could have dealt with, but chose not to.
[quote][p][bold]**** Pete[/bold] wrote: What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway. I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care. Glad to see the back of him. So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.[/p][/quote]Like so many in nu-labia, he's paying of lip-service to the hands that feed them, the Union's, and it doesn't help. As a Unite Rep. the sooner the politicians wind their necks in and stop posturing, the better. My old man was works convener when or soon after Ford's took over Brigg's Motor Bodies, it's always been Ford's way, use a site and staff for as long as it's economically viable, then move on, IBM and all the big USA companies do the same thing. But in the old mans day he'd have shut the place down and cost the company dearly before now, these days it's too much effort, and 'lightning strikes' are illegal, something else Bliar and co could have dealt with, but chose not to. Niel

3:39pm Sun 18 Nov 12

bobbyboy says...

Just a little note for the hot heads on here
If the Contractors went on Strike (but they wont) Fords would sue for compensation from thier Companies trust me i/we have been down this sidewalk before. Also 85% are European workers and when Fords shut there will still be contractors looking after the place Fords no longer have there own Security. So some will be there for a while after anyways someone has to dismantle all the machinery and make if safe.
Just a little note for the hot heads on here If the Contractors went on Strike (but they wont) Fords would sue for compensation from thier Companies trust me i/we have been down this sidewalk before. Also 85% are European workers and when Fords shut there will still be contractors looking after the place Fords no longer have there own Security. So some will be there for a while after anyways someone has to dismantle all the machinery and make if safe. bobbyboy

4:09pm Sun 18 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.
And what would that achieve??? IDIOT
And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have.
But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life.
The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.
I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life !
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT[/p][/quote]Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.[/p][/quote]And what would that achieve??? IDIOT[/p][/quote]And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have. But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life. The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.[/p][/quote]I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life ! andysaints007

4:11pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Skipper38 says...

Dunham is grandstanding. He met with Ford a week ago and the company has committed to keeping him informed of developments.

No purpose would be served by holding an interim meeting, except to provide him with an opportunity to promote himself.
Dunham is grandstanding. He met with Ford a week ago and the company has committed to keeping him informed of developments. No purpose would be served by holding an interim meeting, except to provide him with an opportunity to promote himself. Skipper38

4:11pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Skipper38 says...

Dunham is grandstanding. He met with Ford a week ago and the company has committed to keeping him informed of developments.

No purpose would be served by holding an interim meeting, except to provide him with an opportunity to promote himself.
Dunham is grandstanding. He met with Ford a week ago and the company has committed to keeping him informed of developments. No purpose would be served by holding an interim meeting, except to provide him with an opportunity to promote himself. Skipper38

4:20pm Sun 18 Nov 12

southy says...

andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.
And what would that achieve??? IDIOT
And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have.
But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life.
The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.
I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life !
You roll over and die, your not willing to fight for what is right, try thinking what will there be for your kids or grand kids.
only pratt is your self.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT[/p][/quote]Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.[/p][/quote]And what would that achieve??? IDIOT[/p][/quote]And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have. But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life. The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.[/p][/quote]I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life ![/p][/quote]You roll over and die, your not willing to fight for what is right, try thinking what will there be for your kids or grand kids. only pratt is your self. southy

5:21pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Skipper38 wrote:
Dunham is grandstanding. He met with Ford a week ago and the company has committed to keeping him informed of developments.

No purpose would be served by holding an interim meeting, except to provide him with an opportunity to promote himself.
IF comment posted by Skipper38 is true then it should be a matter of serious concern to us all; bar those who will keep on defending their tribal lines.

I am not being disrespectful to Skipper38, but all info on the Internet is not always correct, as mischief makers often post misleading comments under assumed names, so I will suggest that people should check it out.

I have known John Denham for a very long time, he may be politically shifty, but is very intelligent man, so I find it difficult to understand why he should do something like this, which could easily backfire?

On the other hand IF Skipper38 knows something which some or most of us so far do not, then it is a sure shocker. Because it could put John is the same league as leadership of his NuLabour in Southampton Council, which has become infamous for telling fibs.

Under that scenario situation will be a multinational pulling fast ones on UK government and the EU, both of whom appear to have let us the people down, and even our respectable Member of Parliament pulling cotton wool upon our trusting eyes. It could only mean I will have to start believing in religious fiction and praying to some female or male God. (Can anybody tell me where to find him/her?)

Perhaps somebody like Freemental Girl 2 who is family friend of Denham or Lone Ranger who always knows a lot about John's party or Inside guy may help in resolving this very serious allegation.

Yes I often criticise John (whom I have known since mid 1970s) for his political posturing, but I have always held high opinion of him because he has never ever lied to me and I genuinely believe him to be an honest man, who has always worked hard not only to help the people he represents but even likes of me who often do disagree with him on various issues and often throw dart in his direction.
[quote][p][bold]Skipper38[/bold] wrote: Dunham is grandstanding. He met with Ford a week ago and the company has committed to keeping him informed of developments. No purpose would be served by holding an interim meeting, except to provide him with an opportunity to promote himself.[/p][/quote]IF comment posted by Skipper38 is true then it should be a matter of serious concern to us all; bar those who will keep on defending their tribal lines. I am not being disrespectful to Skipper38, but all info on the Internet is not always correct, as mischief makers often post misleading comments under assumed names, so I will suggest that people should check it out. I have known John Denham for a very long time, he may be politically shifty, but is very intelligent man, so I find it difficult to understand why he should do something like this, which could easily backfire? On the other hand IF Skipper38 knows something which some or most of us so far do not, then it is a sure shocker. Because it could put John is the same league as leadership of his NuLabour in Southampton Council, which has become infamous for telling fibs. Under that scenario situation will be a multinational pulling fast ones on UK government and the EU, both of whom appear to have let us the people down, and even our respectable Member of Parliament pulling cotton wool upon our trusting eyes. It could only mean I will have to start believing in religious fiction and praying to some female or male God. (Can anybody tell me where to find him/her?) Perhaps somebody like Freemental Girl 2 who is family friend of Denham or Lone Ranger who always knows a lot about John's party or Inside guy may help in resolving this very serious allegation. Yes I often criticise John (whom I have known since mid 1970s) for his political posturing, but I have always held high opinion of him because he has never ever lied to me and I genuinely believe him to be an honest man, who has always worked hard not only to help the people he represents but even likes of me who often do disagree with him on various issues and often throw dart in his direction. Paramjit Bahia

5:25pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Niel wrote:
**** Pete wrote:
What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway.

I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care.

Glad to see the back of him.

So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.
Like so many in nu-labia, he's paying of lip-service to the hands that feed them, the Union's, and it doesn't help. As a Unite Rep. the sooner the politicians wind their necks in and stop posturing, the better.

My old man was works convener when or soon after Ford's took over Brigg's Motor Bodies, it's always been Ford's way, use a site and staff for as long as it's economically viable, then move on, IBM and all the big USA companies do the same thing. But in the old mans day he'd have shut the place down and cost the company dearly before now, these days it's too much effort, and 'lightning strikes' are illegal, something else Bliar and co could have dealt with, but chose not to.
Neil, you should be very proud of your old man, working people need more like him. Hope you are keeping up with his good work.
[quote][p][bold]Niel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]**** Pete[/bold] wrote: What does he think he can do...He isnt in power. He is leaving anyway. I think he just wants to go out on a sympathy campaign..."The MP who cared." when it was too late to care. Glad to see the back of him. So should the unions. He cant do anything except say...OH WELL.[/p][/quote]Like so many in nu-labia, he's paying of lip-service to the hands that feed them, the Union's, and it doesn't help. As a Unite Rep. the sooner the politicians wind their necks in and stop posturing, the better. My old man was works convener when or soon after Ford's took over Brigg's Motor Bodies, it's always been Ford's way, use a site and staff for as long as it's economically viable, then move on, IBM and all the big USA companies do the same thing. But in the old mans day he'd have shut the place down and cost the company dearly before now, these days it's too much effort, and 'lightning strikes' are illegal, something else Bliar and co could have dealt with, but chose not to.[/p][/quote]Neil, you should be very proud of your old man, working people need more like him. Hope you are keeping up with his good work. Paramjit Bahia

5:25pm Sun 18 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.
And what would that achieve??? IDIOT
And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have.
But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life.
The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.
I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life !
You roll over and die, your not willing to fight for what is right, try thinking what will there be for your kids or grand kids.
only pratt is your self.
U are a complete moron and you know it!!
Best thing that happened to me was being made redundant!!
The likes of you just want someone to wipe your ar*e all the time and give you something for nothing.
Fords are moving - just deal with it - they aint gonna change their mind no matter how long you strike for !! In fact it just cements their reasons for getting away from idiots like you!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT[/p][/quote]Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.[/p][/quote]And what would that achieve??? IDIOT[/p][/quote]And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have. But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life. The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.[/p][/quote]I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life ![/p][/quote]You roll over and die, your not willing to fight for what is right, try thinking what will there be for your kids or grand kids. only pratt is your self.[/p][/quote]U are a complete moron and you know it!! Best thing that happened to me was being made redundant!! The likes of you just want someone to wipe your ar*e all the time and give you something for nothing. Fords are moving - just deal with it - they aint gonna change their mind no matter how long you strike for !! In fact it just cements their reasons for getting away from idiots like you! andysaints007

5:31pm Sun 18 Nov 12

loosehead says...

saint61 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Really?
Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose.
go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'
Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.
NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Really? Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose. go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'[/p][/quote]Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.[/p][/quote]NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT loosehead

5:35pm Sun 18 Nov 12

southy says...

andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.
And what would that achieve??? IDIOT
And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have.
But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life.
The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.
I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life !
You roll over and die, your not willing to fight for what is right, try thinking what will there be for your kids or grand kids.
only pratt is your self.
U are a complete moron and you know it!!
Best thing that happened to me was being made redundant!!
The likes of you just want someone to wipe your ar*e all the time and give you something for nothing.
Fords are moving - just deal with it - they aint gonna change their mind no matter how long you strike for !! In fact it just cements their reasons for getting away from idiots like you!
The only moron is your self. and what is it with your name calling have you some thing wrong with you.

You only care about about your self, you don't even care what your kids and your grand kids in the future will have, its your kind that will not help to back up others just to make sore the future generations will have some thing when there times come.
You roll over and die, just for the sake of your own benfit.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT[/p][/quote]Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.[/p][/quote]And what would that achieve??? IDIOT[/p][/quote]And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have. But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life. The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.[/p][/quote]I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life ![/p][/quote]You roll over and die, your not willing to fight for what is right, try thinking what will there be for your kids or grand kids. only pratt is your self.[/p][/quote]U are a complete moron and you know it!! Best thing that happened to me was being made redundant!! The likes of you just want someone to wipe your ar*e all the time and give you something for nothing. Fords are moving - just deal with it - they aint gonna change their mind no matter how long you strike for !! In fact it just cements their reasons for getting away from idiots like you![/p][/quote]The only moron is your self. and what is it with your name calling have you some thing wrong with you. You only care about about your self, you don't even care what your kids and your grand kids in the future will have, its your kind that will not help to back up others just to make sore the future generations will have some thing when there times come. You roll over and die, just for the sake of your own benfit. southy

5:41pm Sun 18 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
Let me see if I've got this right?
A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike?
Who are they striking against?
Isn't secondary Picketing illegal?
What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong?
If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?
That is not secondary picketing
So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing?
Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford.
They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct?
Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant ,
So come on who's responsible for those contractors?
Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed?
Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants?
Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]Let me see if I've got this right? A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike? Who are they striking against? Isn't secondary Picketing illegal? What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong? If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?[/p][/quote]That is not secondary picketing[/p][/quote]So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing? Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford. They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct? Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant , So come on who's responsible for those contractors? Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed? Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants? Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees loosehead

5:42pm Sun 18 Nov 12

loosehead says...

BAT did not pay Temps Redundancy pay okay!
BAT did not pay Temps Redundancy pay okay! loosehead

5:47pm Sun 18 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Skipper38 wrote:
Dunham is grandstanding. He met with Ford a week ago and the company has committed to keeping him informed of developments.

No purpose would be served by holding an interim meeting, except to provide him with an opportunity to promote himself.
IF comment posted by Skipper38 is true then it should be a matter of serious concern to us all; bar those who will keep on defending their tribal lines.

I am not being disrespectful to Skipper38, but all info on the Internet is not always correct, as mischief makers often post misleading comments under assumed names, so I will suggest that people should check it out.

I have known John Denham for a very long time, he may be politically shifty, but is very intelligent man, so I find it difficult to understand why he should do something like this, which could easily backfire?

On the other hand IF Skipper38 knows something which some or most of us so far do not, then it is a sure shocker. Because it could put John is the same league as leadership of his NuLabour in Southampton Council, which has become infamous for telling fibs.

Under that scenario situation will be a multinational pulling fast ones on UK government and the EU, both of whom appear to have let us the people down, and even our respectable Member of Parliament pulling cotton wool upon our trusting eyes. It could only mean I will have to start believing in religious fiction and praying to some female or male God. (Can anybody tell me where to find him/her?)

Perhaps somebody like Freemental Girl 2 who is family friend of Denham or Lone Ranger who always knows a lot about John's party or Inside guy may help in resolving this very serious allegation.

Yes I often criticise John (whom I have known since mid 1970s) for his political posturing, but I have always held high opinion of him because he has never ever lied to me and I genuinely believe him to be an honest man, who has always worked hard not only to help the people he represents but even likes of me who often do disagree with him on various issues and often throw dart in his direction.
Paramjit I've told you why I hate both Denham & Whitehead but answer me this.
If there's a joint cross party team trying to get the best for Ford workers & help for contractors is this the right time for Denham to go there by himself even if it was planned ages ago surely with what has happened he should work as part of a team with Nokes Whitehead & The Liberal from Eastleigh surely?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skipper38[/bold] wrote: Dunham is grandstanding. He met with Ford a week ago and the company has committed to keeping him informed of developments. No purpose would be served by holding an interim meeting, except to provide him with an opportunity to promote himself.[/p][/quote]IF comment posted by Skipper38 is true then it should be a matter of serious concern to us all; bar those who will keep on defending their tribal lines. I am not being disrespectful to Skipper38, but all info on the Internet is not always correct, as mischief makers often post misleading comments under assumed names, so I will suggest that people should check it out. I have known John Denham for a very long time, he may be politically shifty, but is very intelligent man, so I find it difficult to understand why he should do something like this, which could easily backfire? On the other hand IF Skipper38 knows something which some or most of us so far do not, then it is a sure shocker. Because it could put John is the same league as leadership of his NuLabour in Southampton Council, which has become infamous for telling fibs. Under that scenario situation will be a multinational pulling fast ones on UK government and the EU, both of whom appear to have let us the people down, and even our respectable Member of Parliament pulling cotton wool upon our trusting eyes. It could only mean I will have to start believing in religious fiction and praying to some female or male God. (Can anybody tell me where to find him/her?) Perhaps somebody like Freemental Girl 2 who is family friend of Denham or Lone Ranger who always knows a lot about John's party or Inside guy may help in resolving this very serious allegation. Yes I often criticise John (whom I have known since mid 1970s) for his political posturing, but I have always held high opinion of him because he has never ever lied to me and I genuinely believe him to be an honest man, who has always worked hard not only to help the people he represents but even likes of me who often do disagree with him on various issues and often throw dart in his direction.[/p][/quote]Paramjit I've told you why I hate both Denham & Whitehead but answer me this. If there's a joint cross party team trying to get the best for Ford workers & help for contractors is this the right time for Denham to go there by himself even if it was planned ages ago surely with what has happened he should work as part of a team with Nokes Whitehead & The Liberal from Eastleigh surely? loosehead

6:15pm Sun 18 Nov 12

ohec says...

There is a lot of name calling and other rubbish going on but i am still waiting for some bright spark to give me a valid reason why Fords should pay severance pay to people that are not employed by them, maybe that is just to difficult a question for people that think Fords owe them money.
There is a lot of name calling and other rubbish going on but i am still waiting for some bright spark to give me a valid reason why Fords should pay severance pay to people that are not employed by them, maybe that is just to difficult a question for people that think Fords owe them money. ohec

6:17pm Sun 18 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
Let me see if I've got this right?
A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike?
Who are they striking against?
Isn't secondary Picketing illegal?
What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong?
If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?
That is not secondary picketing
So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing?
Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford.
They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct?
Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant ,
So come on who's responsible for those contractors?
Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed?
Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants?
Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees
Well put - but most of the numbskulls on here still wouldn't understand that is the case!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]Let me see if I've got this right? A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike? Who are they striking against? Isn't secondary Picketing illegal? What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong? If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?[/p][/quote]That is not secondary picketing[/p][/quote]So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing? Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford. They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct? Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant , So come on who's responsible for those contractors? Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed? Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants? Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees[/p][/quote]Well put - but most of the numbskulls on here still wouldn't understand that is the case! andysaints007

6:18pm Sun 18 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.
And what would that achieve??? IDIOT
And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have.
But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life.
The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.
I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life !
You roll over and die, your not willing to fight for what is right, try thinking what will there be for your kids or grand kids.
only pratt is your self.
U are a complete moron and you know it!!
Best thing that happened to me was being made redundant!!
The likes of you just want someone to wipe your ar*e all the time and give you something for nothing.
Fords are moving - just deal with it - they aint gonna change their mind no matter how long you strike for !! In fact it just cements their reasons for getting away from idiots like you!
The only moron is your self. and what is it with your name calling have you some thing wrong with you.

You only care about about your self, you don't even care what your kids and your grand kids in the future will have, its your kind that will not help to back up others just to make sore the future generations will have some thing when there times come.
You roll over and die, just for the sake of your own benfit.
I am bored with you now
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT[/p][/quote]Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.[/p][/quote]And what would that achieve??? IDIOT[/p][/quote]And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have. But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life. The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.[/p][/quote]I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life ![/p][/quote]You roll over and die, your not willing to fight for what is right, try thinking what will there be for your kids or grand kids. only pratt is your self.[/p][/quote]U are a complete moron and you know it!! Best thing that happened to me was being made redundant!! The likes of you just want someone to wipe your ar*e all the time and give you something for nothing. Fords are moving - just deal with it - they aint gonna change their mind no matter how long you strike for !! In fact it just cements their reasons for getting away from idiots like you![/p][/quote]The only moron is your self. and what is it with your name calling have you some thing wrong with you. You only care about about your self, you don't even care what your kids and your grand kids in the future will have, its your kind that will not help to back up others just to make sore the future generations will have some thing when there times come. You roll over and die, just for the sake of your own benfit.[/p][/quote]I am bored with you now andysaints007

6:21pm Sun 18 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.
And what would that achieve??? IDIOT
I agree andysaints007 what an IDIOT!!!
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT[/p][/quote]Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.[/p][/quote]And what would that achieve??? IDIOT[/p][/quote]I agree andysaints007 what an IDIOT!!! lovetheladies

6:22pm Sun 18 Nov 12

saint61 says...

loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Really?
Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose.
go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'
Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.
NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT
Loosehead your sadly mistaken I worked inPMD as a contractor and BAT paid my company a certain amount of money for us. We got 2 grand each and went quietly. As I said treated with respect and like hunans
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Really? Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose. go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'[/p][/quote]Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.[/p][/quote]NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT[/p][/quote]Loosehead your sadly mistaken I worked inPMD as a contractor and BAT paid my company a certain amount of money for us. We got 2 grand each and went quietly. As I said treated with respect and like hunans saint61

6:36pm Sun 18 Nov 12

AndyAndrews says...

Everyone who cares about the Swaythling plant should boycott Ford cars from now on.... And no, it won't have an adverse effect on our local plant as Ford's will close it next Summer whatever happens, but it will show them their corporate behaviour is unacceptable.
Everyone who cares about the Swaythling plant should boycott Ford cars from now on.... And no, it won't have an adverse effect on our local plant as Ford's will close it next Summer whatever happens, but it will show them their corporate behaviour is unacceptable. AndyAndrews

6:41pm Sun 18 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

AndyAndrews wrote:
Everyone who cares about the Swaythling plant should boycott Ford cars from now on.... And no, it won't have an adverse effect on our local plant as Ford's will close it next Summer whatever happens, but it will show them their corporate behaviour is unacceptable.
Whatever, another ludicrous comment!!
[quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Everyone who cares about the Swaythling plant should boycott Ford cars from now on.... And no, it won't have an adverse effect on our local plant as Ford's will close it next Summer whatever happens, but it will show them their corporate behaviour is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]Whatever, another ludicrous comment!! lovetheladies

7:09pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.
And what would that achieve??? IDIOT
And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have.
But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life.
The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.
I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life !
You roll over and die, your not willing to fight for what is right, try thinking what will there be for your kids or grand kids.
only pratt is your self.
Could you explain how the 'fight' is going to affect you because as usual you are ecstatic about the prospect of industrial unrest that won't cost you anything or affect you in the slightest, whatever happens. Formulate a plan that could hit you if it backfired instead of amusing yourself at other peoples expense, perhaps mortgage the council house that you managed to buy and restart your 'business' to employ the 'kids or grand kids' that you claim to be so worried about. Talk is cheap so try and do something concrete so you can be judged by your actions.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT[/p][/quote]Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.[/p][/quote]And what would that achieve??? IDIOT[/p][/quote]And what will it achive if they do nothing, well they would be still getting the same, lost of job and what about the next generation what will they get nothing because there will be nothing there to have. But is they make a stand and fight for what is right, then they stand a chance of changing things and it will give the next generation a change at lest to have some thing in life. The only IDOTS are people like your self who would just roll over and die, and do nothing.[/p][/quote]I don't roll over and die you pratt - I move on with things and get on with it! Self employed - best way to be !! You make your own luck in this world and when I am contracted to do a job I don't expect anything from the company other than what I agreed when I started and not a job for life ![/p][/quote]You roll over and die, your not willing to fight for what is right, try thinking what will there be for your kids or grand kids. only pratt is your self.[/p][/quote]Could you explain how the 'fight' is going to affect you because as usual you are ecstatic about the prospect of industrial unrest that won't cost you anything or affect you in the slightest, whatever happens. Formulate a plan that could hit you if it backfired instead of amusing yourself at other peoples expense, perhaps mortgage the council house that you managed to buy and restart your 'business' to employ the 'kids or grand kids' that you claim to be so worried about. Talk is cheap so try and do something concrete so you can be judged by your actions. Torchie1

7:16pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Skipper38 wrote:
Dunham is grandstanding. He met with Ford a week ago and the company has committed to keeping him informed of developments.

No purpose would be served by holding an interim meeting, except to provide him with an opportunity to promote himself.
IF comment posted by Skipper38 is true then it should be a matter of serious concern to us all; bar those who will keep on defending their tribal lines.

I am not being disrespectful to Skipper38, but all info on the Internet is not always correct, as mischief makers often post misleading comments under assumed names, so I will suggest that people should check it out.

I have known John Denham for a very long time, he may be politically shifty, but is very intelligent man, so I find it difficult to understand why he should do something like this, which could easily backfire?

On the other hand IF Skipper38 knows something which some or most of us so far do not, then it is a sure shocker. Because it could put John is the same league as leadership of his NuLabour in Southampton Council, which has become infamous for telling fibs.

Under that scenario situation will be a multinational pulling fast ones on UK government and the EU, both of whom appear to have let us the people down, and even our respectable Member of Parliament pulling cotton wool upon our trusting eyes. It could only mean I will have to start believing in religious fiction and praying to some female or male God. (Can anybody tell me where to find him/her?)

Perhaps somebody like Freemental Girl 2 who is family friend of Denham or Lone Ranger who always knows a lot about John's party or Inside guy may help in resolving this very serious allegation.

Yes I often criticise John (whom I have known since mid 1970s) for his political posturing, but I have always held high opinion of him because he has never ever lied to me and I genuinely believe him to be an honest man, who has always worked hard not only to help the people he represents but even likes of me who often do disagree with him on various issues and often throw dart in his direction.
Paramjit I've told you why I hate both Denham & Whitehead but answer me this.
If there's a joint cross party team trying to get the best for Ford workers & help for contractors is this the right time for Denham to go there by himself even if it was planned ages ago surely with what has happened he should work as part of a team with Nokes Whitehead & The Liberal from Eastleigh surely?
Loosehead, Are you trying to be a loose canon for Tories?

Seriously you are entitled to hold whatever opinion of Alan and John you may like, I have known and worked with both of them for decades and have very high opinion of both.

Just because I have some concerns about John Denham's political approach should not mean that I will join you to make him look bad. As I have often said Denham like Whitehead is very good local MP.

Regarding Multinational Ford, I believe all the MPs of this area have very rightly criticised Ford in media and the House of Commons. As far as I am aware both Alan and John were just as critical of Ford as Tory Party's MP in House of Commons. Please check it out with her in case I may be wrong. I am aware that Alan certainly spoke in the House, but I did not watch the whole proceeding.

Actually I am not aware of any MP who may have been stupid enough to justify what Ford has done. Not even any Lib-Dem.

I do not see any reason why John Denham should not raise the concerns of his constituents independently, just like Nooki alos does. You may find that despite party political differences most MPs often coordinate with each other on subjects like this.

My advice to you is to check with your own Party's MP if she had any objection to John arranging a meeting with management and union reps.

At times like this unity of all against Ford is required, divisions will only suit Ford. Ping pong on political lines will only suit Ford
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skipper38[/bold] wrote: Dunham is grandstanding. He met with Ford a week ago and the company has committed to keeping him informed of developments. No purpose would be served by holding an interim meeting, except to provide him with an opportunity to promote himself.[/p][/quote]IF comment posted by Skipper38 is true then it should be a matter of serious concern to us all; bar those who will keep on defending their tribal lines. I am not being disrespectful to Skipper38, but all info on the Internet is not always correct, as mischief makers often post misleading comments under assumed names, so I will suggest that people should check it out. I have known John Denham for a very long time, he may be politically shifty, but is very intelligent man, so I find it difficult to understand why he should do something like this, which could easily backfire? On the other hand IF Skipper38 knows something which some or most of us so far do not, then it is a sure shocker. Because it could put John is the same league as leadership of his NuLabour in Southampton Council, which has become infamous for telling fibs. Under that scenario situation will be a multinational pulling fast ones on UK government and the EU, both of whom appear to have let us the people down, and even our respectable Member of Parliament pulling cotton wool upon our trusting eyes. It could only mean I will have to start believing in religious fiction and praying to some female or male God. (Can anybody tell me where to find him/her?) Perhaps somebody like Freemental Girl 2 who is family friend of Denham or Lone Ranger who always knows a lot about John's party or Inside guy may help in resolving this very serious allegation. Yes I often criticise John (whom I have known since mid 1970s) for his political posturing, but I have always held high opinion of him because he has never ever lied to me and I genuinely believe him to be an honest man, who has always worked hard not only to help the people he represents but even likes of me who often do disagree with him on various issues and often throw dart in his direction.[/p][/quote]Paramjit I've told you why I hate both Denham & Whitehead but answer me this. If there's a joint cross party team trying to get the best for Ford workers & help for contractors is this the right time for Denham to go there by himself even if it was planned ages ago surely with what has happened he should work as part of a team with Nokes Whitehead & The Liberal from Eastleigh surely?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Are you trying to be a loose canon for Tories? Seriously you are entitled to hold whatever opinion of Alan and John you may like, I have known and worked with both of them for decades and have very high opinion of both. Just because I have some concerns about John Denham's political approach should not mean that I will join you to make him look bad. As I have often said Denham like Whitehead is very good local MP. Regarding Multinational Ford, I believe all the MPs of this area have very rightly criticised Ford in media and the House of Commons. As far as I am aware both Alan and John were just as critical of Ford as Tory Party's MP in House of Commons. Please check it out with her in case I may be wrong. I am aware that Alan certainly spoke in the House, but I did not watch the whole proceeding. Actually I am not aware of any MP who may have been stupid enough to justify what Ford has done. Not even any Lib-Dem. I do not see any reason why John Denham should not raise the concerns of his constituents independently, just like Nooki alos does. You may find that despite party political differences most MPs often coordinate with each other on subjects like this. My advice to you is to check with your own Party's MP if she had any objection to John arranging a meeting with management and union reps. At times like this unity of all against Ford is required, divisions will only suit Ford. Ping pong on political lines will only suit Ford Paramjit Bahia

7:22pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
Let me see if I've got this right?
A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike?
Who are they striking against?
Isn't secondary Picketing illegal?
What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong?
If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?
That is not secondary picketing
So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing?
Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford.
They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct?
Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant ,
So come on who's responsible for those contractors?
Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed?
Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants?
Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees
Just an observation, and not claiming to know the rights and wrongs of picketing, but I assume that they would be picketing at the place where they had been working.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]Let me see if I've got this right? A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike? Who are they striking against? Isn't secondary Picketing illegal? What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong? If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?[/p][/quote]That is not secondary picketing[/p][/quote]So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing? Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford. They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct? Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant , So come on who's responsible for those contractors? Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed? Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants? Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees[/p][/quote]Just an observation, and not claiming to know the rights and wrongs of picketing, but I assume that they would be picketing at the place where they had been working. Linesman

7:45pm Sun 18 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

saint61 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Really?
Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose.
go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'
Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.
NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT
Loosehead your sadly mistaken I worked inPMD as a contractor and BAT paid my company a certain amount of money for us. We got 2 grand each and went quietly. As I said treated with respect and like hunans
But you were still only a contractor and knew the score when you started - surely!! If all these contractors at Ford really need all this molly coddling they should have joined another company direct and been subject to the same conditions as other employees! You can't have your cake and eat it just when it suits you !
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Really? Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose. go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'[/p][/quote]Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.[/p][/quote]NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT[/p][/quote]Loosehead your sadly mistaken I worked inPMD as a contractor and BAT paid my company a certain amount of money for us. We got 2 grand each and went quietly. As I said treated with respect and like hunans[/p][/quote]But you were still only a contractor and knew the score when you started - surely!! If all these contractors at Ford really need all this molly coddling they should have joined another company direct and been subject to the same conditions as other employees! You can't have your cake and eat it just when it suits you ! andysaints007

9:12pm Sun 18 Nov 12

loosehead says...

saint61 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Really?
Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose.
go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'
Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.
NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT
Loosehead your sadly mistaken I worked inPMD as a contractor and BAT paid my company a certain amount of money for us. We got 2 grand each and went quietly. As I said treated with respect and like hunans
You worked in PMD as a contractor?
the only ones who worked in PMD as contractors were those who came in to do Industrial cleaning otherwise you were a Temp.
If you were a Temp & got a couple of thousand they kept that very quiet as I can't see that the work force would have been happy with that.
I left in the beginning of the run down to go & live abroad & I had been fighting on the employees council to get the money for food put back into our wages as it was part of a wage deal.
The idiots didn't believe it would shut so wouldn't back me as the4y preferred not to pay ( which they were) for their food.
I heard in talks after I'd gone the Unions asked for this to happen to help increase redundancy & pension payments & the Company turned them down so I can see if they'd found out what your claiming is true there would have been uproar on the factory floor.
As Temps/contractors you were not entitled to any payment by BAT nor are the ones at Ford
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Really? Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose. go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'[/p][/quote]Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.[/p][/quote]NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT[/p][/quote]Loosehead your sadly mistaken I worked inPMD as a contractor and BAT paid my company a certain amount of money for us. We got 2 grand each and went quietly. As I said treated with respect and like hunans[/p][/quote]You worked in PMD as a contractor? the only ones who worked in PMD as contractors were those who came in to do Industrial cleaning otherwise you were a Temp. If you were a Temp & got a couple of thousand they kept that very quiet as I can't see that the work force would have been happy with that. I left in the beginning of the run down to go & live abroad & I had been fighting on the employees council to get the money for food put back into our wages as it was part of a wage deal. The idiots didn't believe it would shut so wouldn't back me as the4y preferred not to pay ( which they were) for their food. I heard in talks after I'd gone the Unions asked for this to happen to help increase redundancy & pension payments & the Company turned them down so I can see if they'd found out what your claiming is true there would have been uproar on the factory floor. As Temps/contractors you were not entitled to any payment by BAT nor are the ones at Ford loosehead

9:18pm Sun 18 Nov 12

loosehead says...

saint61 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Really?
Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose.
go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'
Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.
NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT
Loosehead your sadly mistaken I worked inPMD as a contractor and BAT paid my company a certain amount of money for us. We got 2 grand each and went quietly. As I said treated with respect and like hunans
Next time I go to a BAT pensioners do I'll ask an ex manager or one of the existing personnel people if that's true & if it is I hope No UNION person is there as they will be castrated.
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Really? Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose. go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'[/p][/quote]Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.[/p][/quote]NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT[/p][/quote]Loosehead your sadly mistaken I worked inPMD as a contractor and BAT paid my company a certain amount of money for us. We got 2 grand each and went quietly. As I said treated with respect and like hunans[/p][/quote]Next time I go to a BAT pensioners do I'll ask an ex manager or one of the existing personnel people if that's true & if it is I hope No UNION person is there as they will be castrated. loosehead

11:23pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Really?
Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose.
go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'
Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.
NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT
Loosehead your sadly mistaken I worked inPMD as a contractor and BAT paid my company a certain amount of money for us. We got 2 grand each and went quietly. As I said treated with respect and like hunans
Next time I go to a BAT pensioners do I'll ask an ex manager or one of the existing personnel people if that's true & if it is I hope No UNION person is there as they will be castrated.
Well, at least they have the balls, which is more than some have - even oval ones.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Really? Every company know who the contract companies are so if your looking to use contract work you either tell the parent company you want no one who worked at Fords or you use another company with the same insistence so you the contract workers have every thing to lose. go for a job they ask who you previously worked for you say I was a contractor at Fords & it's "BYE BYE" NEXT'[/p][/quote]Loosehead you worked at BAT and Fords you would have had contractors at BAT did they get pay off's ? Something tells me that they did . BAT treat people like humans.[/p][/quote]NO THEY didn't. they were removed before any permanent staff were made redundant so sorry your wrong & I did work for 25years at BAT[/p][/quote]Loosehead your sadly mistaken I worked inPMD as a contractor and BAT paid my company a certain amount of money for us. We got 2 grand each and went quietly. As I said treated with respect and like hunans[/p][/quote]Next time I go to a BAT pensioners do I'll ask an ex manager or one of the existing personnel people if that's true & if it is I hope No UNION person is there as they will be castrated.[/p][/quote]Well, at least they have the balls, which is more than some have - even oval ones. Linesman

11:42pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Sir naggedalot says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
Let me see if I've got this right?
A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike?
Who are they striking against?
Isn't secondary Picketing illegal?
What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong?
If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?
That is not secondary picketing
So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing?
Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford.
They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct?
Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant ,
So come on who's responsible for those contractors?
Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed?
Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants?
Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees
Fords have still not given the Contractors at the Southampton plant a date yet.

We have had one short address from the Southampton Plant Manager who gave us the Fords employee dates but then went on to say we would be informed of our dates.
Its been over three weeks now and have not had a single word from them since.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]Let me see if I've got this right? A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike? Who are they striking against? Isn't secondary Picketing illegal? What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong? If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?[/p][/quote]That is not secondary picketing[/p][/quote]So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing? Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford. They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct? Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant , So come on who's responsible for those contractors? Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed? Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants? Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees[/p][/quote]Fords have still not given the Contractors at the Southampton plant a date yet. We have had one short address from the Southampton Plant Manager who gave us the Fords employee dates but then went on to say we would be informed of our dates. Its been over three weeks now and have not had a single word from them since. Sir naggedalot

11:50pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Sir naggedalot says...

lovetheladies wrote:
AndyAndrews wrote:
Everyone who cares about the Swaythling plant should boycott Ford cars from now on.... And no, it won't have an adverse effect on our local plant as Ford's will close it next Summer whatever happens, but it will show them their corporate behaviour is unacceptable.
Whatever, another ludicrous comment!!
Boycotting the Ford brand is almost the only action most of us can do!

Nothing ludicrous about it,if every one in Southampton no longer brought Ford it would make a statement on loads of different levels.
One of those levels being Fords Profits!

One of the few things the Ford Motor Company care about!
[quote][p][bold]lovetheladies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Everyone who cares about the Swaythling plant should boycott Ford cars from now on.... And no, it won't have an adverse effect on our local plant as Ford's will close it next Summer whatever happens, but it will show them their corporate behaviour is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]Whatever, another ludicrous comment!![/p][/quote]Boycotting the Ford brand is almost the only action most of us can do! Nothing ludicrous about it,if every one in Southampton no longer brought Ford it would make a statement on loads of different levels. One of those levels being Fords Profits! One of the few things the Ford Motor Company care about! Sir naggedalot

7:01am Mon 19 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Ford's sadly is going.
If we want multi nationals to invest here we need friendly union leaders not the type we currently have.
Co-operation is the way forward.
Suggestion, no strikes, new union leaders and a welcoming attitude to multi nationals,that gives us some chance for work for our children.
Ford's sadly is going. If we want multi nationals to invest here we need friendly union leaders not the type we currently have. Co-operation is the way forward. Suggestion, no strikes, new union leaders and a welcoming attitude to multi nationals,that gives us some chance for work for our children. aldermoorboy

7:15am Mon 19 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Sir naggedalot wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote:
These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
Let me see if I've got this right?
A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike?
Who are they striking against?
Isn't secondary Picketing illegal?
What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong?
If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?
That is not secondary picketing
So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing?
Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford.
They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct?
Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant ,
So come on who's responsible for those contractors?
Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed?
Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants?
Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees
Fords have still not given the Contractors at the Southampton plant a date yet.

We have had one short address from the Southampton Plant Manager who gave us the Fords employee dates but then went on to say we would be informed of our dates.
Its been over three weeks now and have not had a single word from them since.
If it goes the way of BAT you will go before the Ford permanent workers so I don't know what the agreement with Ford & the Union is though
[quote][p][bold]Sir naggedalot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]Let me see if I've got this right? A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike? Who are they striking against? Isn't secondary Picketing illegal? What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong? If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?[/p][/quote]That is not secondary picketing[/p][/quote]So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing? Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford. They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct? Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant , So come on who's responsible for those contractors? Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed? Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants? Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees[/p][/quote]Fords have still not given the Contractors at the Southampton plant a date yet. We have had one short address from the Southampton Plant Manager who gave us the Fords employee dates but then went on to say we would be informed of our dates. Its been over three weeks now and have not had a single word from them since.[/p][/quote]If it goes the way of BAT you will go before the Ford permanent workers so I don't know what the agreement with Ford & the Union is though loosehead

7:22am Mon 19 Nov 12

saint61 says...

loosehead wrote:
Sir naggedalot wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
Let me see if I've got this right? A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike? Who are they striking against? Isn't secondary Picketing illegal? What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong? If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?
That is not secondary picketing
So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing? Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford. They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct? Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant , So come on who's responsible for those contractors? Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed? Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants? Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees
Fords have still not given the Contractors at the Southampton plant a date yet. We have had one short address from the Southampton Plant Manager who gave us the Fords employee dates but then went on to say we would be informed of our dates. Its been over three weeks now and have not had a single word from them since.
If it goes the way of BAT you will go before the Ford permanent workers so I don't know what the agreement with Ford & the Union is though
Again Loosehead a little misguided. Us PMD contractors actually left on the last day along with our BAT counterparts. You know what they even took us to the pub and looked after us.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir naggedalot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]Let me see if I've got this right? A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike? Who are they striking against? Isn't secondary Picketing illegal? What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong? If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?[/p][/quote]That is not secondary picketing[/p][/quote]So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing? Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford. They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct? Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant , So come on who's responsible for those contractors? Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed? Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants? Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees[/p][/quote]Fords have still not given the Contractors at the Southampton plant a date yet. We have had one short address from the Southampton Plant Manager who gave us the Fords employee dates but then went on to say we would be informed of our dates. Its been over three weeks now and have not had a single word from them since.[/p][/quote]If it goes the way of BAT you will go before the Ford permanent workers so I don't know what the agreement with Ford & the Union is though[/p][/quote]Again Loosehead a little misguided. Us PMD contractors actually left on the last day along with our BAT counterparts. You know what they even took us to the pub and looked after us. saint61

7:28am Mon 19 Nov 12

loosehead says...

saint61 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Sir naggedalot wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
saint61 wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done!
Let me see if I've got this right? A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike? Who are they striking against? Isn't secondary Picketing illegal? What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong? If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?
That is not secondary picketing
So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing? Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford. They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct? Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant , So come on who's responsible for those contractors? Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed? Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants? Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees
Fords have still not given the Contractors at the Southampton plant a date yet. We have had one short address from the Southampton Plant Manager who gave us the Fords employee dates but then went on to say we would be informed of our dates. Its been over three weeks now and have not had a single word from them since.
If it goes the way of BAT you will go before the Ford permanent workers so I don't know what the agreement with Ford & the Union is though
Again Loosehead a little misguided. Us PMD contractors actually left on the last day along with our BAT counterparts. You know what they even took us to the pub and looked after us.
Sorry I texted my ex supervisor Team Leader & your talking a pile of dung.
in the end there were very few people left & definitely no need for a full PMD so are you telling me the Unions accepted permanent workers going before you in PMD? the last people on site were Fitters & Sparkies dismantling machines so once again no need for PMD staff.
How's Jerry,Tony Dessi all doing?
What happened to Buck Rabbit(Joe) & frank?
you should know if you worked in PMD?
Did we do an order for Vietnam & if we did exactly what was it & did you work on it?
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir naggedalot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: These contractors actually play a fundamental role in keeping production going. They strike, production stops, Ford move it to Turkey a lot earlier than next July as planned. And who ended up shutting the plant? CONTRACTORS. As they are getting no pay off, they will get satisfaction. Job done![/p][/quote]Let me see if I've got this right? A group of people who are not employees of Ford go on strike? Who are they striking against? Isn't secondary Picketing illegal? What has the company that they have a contract with done wrong? If there's a strike by permanent employees they can't issue them redundancy notices until after the dispute but contractors can just be done away with can't they?[/p][/quote]That is not secondary picketing[/p][/quote]So you work for one company right but strike & try to stop production by picketing outside another company isn't secondary picketing? Contractors aren't Ford employees so they don't work for ford. They are taken on by a company to work on behalf of that company at Ford correct? Ford tell that company "we don't need you anymore after this date" & tell their own employees they're being made redundant , So come on who's responsible for those contractors? Ford don't employ them so it's not them A company under contract does & are they making you unemployed? Have you been offered contract work at either Honda or Toyota plants? Ask the company that employs you to find you more work but you have no right for Ford to give you redundancy pay or anything similar as you are not their employees[/p][/quote]Fords have still not given the Contractors at the Southampton plant a date yet. We have had one short address from the Southampton Plant Manager who gave us the Fords employee dates but then went on to say we would be informed of our dates. Its been over three weeks now and have not had a single word from them since.[/p][/quote]If it goes the way of BAT you will go before the Ford permanent workers so I don't know what the agreement with Ford & the Union is though[/p][/quote]Again Loosehead a little misguided. Us PMD contractors actually left on the last day along with our BAT counterparts. You know what they even took us to the pub and looked after us.[/p][/quote]Sorry I texted my ex supervisor Team Leader & your talking a pile of dung. in the end there were very few people left & definitely no need for a full PMD so are you telling me the Unions accepted permanent workers going before you in PMD? the last people on site were Fitters & Sparkies dismantling machines so once again no need for PMD staff. How's Jerry,Tony Dessi all doing? What happened to Buck Rabbit(Joe) & frank? you should know if you worked in PMD? Did we do an order for Vietnam & if we did exactly what was it & did you work on it? loosehead

8:30am Mon 19 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

Sir naggedalot wrote:
lovetheladies wrote:
AndyAndrews wrote:
Everyone who cares about the Swaythling plant should boycott Ford cars from now on.... And no, it won't have an adverse effect on our local plant as Ford's will close it next Summer whatever happens, but it will show them their corporate behaviour is unacceptable.
Whatever, another ludicrous comment!!
Boycotting the Ford brand is almost the only action most of us can do!

Nothing ludicrous about it,if every one in Southampton no longer brought Ford it would make a statement on loads of different levels.
One of those levels being Fords Profits!

One of the few things the Ford Motor Company care about!
What it needs is some of the big fleets like BT, Royal Mail, The AA who buy 1000,s of Transits to grow a pair and say we dont want Turkish vans, we support British workers and cancel their orders. It will never happen though.
[quote][p][bold]Sir naggedalot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lovetheladies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Everyone who cares about the Swaythling plant should boycott Ford cars from now on.... And no, it won't have an adverse effect on our local plant as Ford's will close it next Summer whatever happens, but it will show them their corporate behaviour is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]Whatever, another ludicrous comment!![/p][/quote]Boycotting the Ford brand is almost the only action most of us can do! Nothing ludicrous about it,if every one in Southampton no longer brought Ford it would make a statement on loads of different levels. One of those levels being Fords Profits! One of the few things the Ford Motor Company care about![/p][/quote]What it needs is some of the big fleets like BT, Royal Mail, The AA who buy 1000,s of Transits to grow a pair and say we dont want Turkish vans, we support British workers and cancel their orders. It will never happen though. bigfella777

11:07am Mon 19 Nov 12

ohec says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Sir naggedalot wrote:
lovetheladies wrote:
AndyAndrews wrote:
Everyone who cares about the Swaythling plant should boycott Ford cars from now on.... And no, it won't have an adverse effect on our local plant as Ford's will close it next Summer whatever happens, but it will show them their corporate behaviour is unacceptable.
Whatever, another ludicrous comment!!
Boycotting the Ford brand is almost the only action most of us can do!

Nothing ludicrous about it,if every one in Southampton no longer brought Ford it would make a statement on loads of different levels.
One of those levels being Fords Profits!

One of the few things the Ford Motor Company care about!
What it needs is some of the big fleets like BT, Royal Mail, The AA who buy 1000,s of Transits to grow a pair and say we dont want Turkish vans, we support British workers and cancel their orders. It will never happen though.
Oh dear you must go around with your eyes closed those big fleets you talk about have been boycotting Ford for years the AA have been using VW and Renault for years as an example, Ford let their competitors get the better of them with much better products. As for boycotting Fords who will that hurt exactly?? it may surprise you to know but Ford have other interests in the U.K. Southampton is only a small fish in a big pond, research and development /engines etc, whether we like it or not Ford have every right to take their jobs wherever it likes.
My only beef is the fact they have managed to get an E.U grant (our money) for a plant outside the E.U. in other words the British taxpayer is paying Ford to take our jobs away.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir naggedalot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lovetheladies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Everyone who cares about the Swaythling plant should boycott Ford cars from now on.... And no, it won't have an adverse effect on our local plant as Ford's will close it next Summer whatever happens, but it will show them their corporate behaviour is unacceptable.[/p][/quote]Whatever, another ludicrous comment!![/p][/quote]Boycotting the Ford brand is almost the only action most of us can do! Nothing ludicrous about it,if every one in Southampton no longer brought Ford it would make a statement on loads of different levels. One of those levels being Fords Profits! One of the few things the Ford Motor Company care about![/p][/quote]What it needs is some of the big fleets like BT, Royal Mail, The AA who buy 1000,s of Transits to grow a pair and say we dont want Turkish vans, we support British workers and cancel their orders. It will never happen though.[/p][/quote]Oh dear you must go around with your eyes closed those big fleets you talk about have been boycotting Ford for years the AA have been using VW and Renault for years as an example, Ford let their competitors get the better of them with much better products. As for boycotting Fords who will that hurt exactly?? it may surprise you to know but Ford have other interests in the U.K. Southampton is only a small fish in a big pond, research and development /engines etc, whether we like it or not Ford have every right to take their jobs wherever it likes. My only beef is the fact they have managed to get an E.U grant (our money) for a plant outside the E.U. in other words the British taxpayer is paying Ford to take our jobs away. ohec

12:03pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Red1918 says...

This all just shows how hopelessly out of touch Ford are in the UK.The very idea that Denham would even support a group of workers in struggle let alone lead them is laughable.
In typical New Labour style it would simply have been a case of going along nodding sympathetically and getting a picture for the local press as the workers friend, just as any other Tory, sorry New labour MP would do..
This all just shows how hopelessly out of touch Ford are in the UK.The very idea that Denham would even support a group of workers in struggle let alone lead them is laughable. In typical New Labour style it would simply have been a case of going along nodding sympathetically and getting a picture for the local press as the workers friend, just as any other Tory, sorry New labour MP would do.. Red1918

12:38pm Mon 19 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Red1918 wrote:
This all just shows how hopelessly out of touch Ford are in the UK.The very idea that Denham would even support a group of workers in struggle let alone lead them is laughable.
In typical New Labour style it would simply have been a case of going along nodding sympathetically and getting a picture for the local press as the workers friend, just as any other Tory, sorry New labour MP would do..
Wait for it Jaguar Land Rover owners were considering building a small Jaguar elsewhere in the World now they're setting up shop in China & they're going to build a car just for the Chinese Market?
[quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: This all just shows how hopelessly out of touch Ford are in the UK.The very idea that Denham would even support a group of workers in struggle let alone lead them is laughable. In typical New Labour style it would simply have been a case of going along nodding sympathetically and getting a picture for the local press as the workers friend, just as any other Tory, sorry New labour MP would do..[/p][/quote]Wait for it Jaguar Land Rover owners were considering building a small Jaguar elsewhere in the World now they're setting up shop in China & they're going to build a car just for the Chinese Market? loosehead

12:48pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Niel says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Ford's sadly is going.
If we want multi nationals to invest here we need friendly union leaders not the type we currently have.
Co-operation is the way forward.
Suggestion, no strikes, new union leaders and a welcoming attitude to multi nationals,that gives us some chance for work for our children.
No, 'friendly' union leaders are like nu-labia tories, they'd sell their mothers for more time at the trough.

Still Trades Unions are being destroyed from within, and without, and the latest trick is removal of as much worker protection as posible, I wonder how the nu-labia union supported members voted...
http://www.ier.org.u
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[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Ford's sadly is going. If we want multi nationals to invest here we need friendly union leaders not the type we currently have. Co-operation is the way forward. Suggestion, no strikes, new union leaders and a welcoming attitude to multi nationals,that gives us some chance for work for our children.[/p][/quote]No, 'friendly' union leaders are like nu-labia tories, they'd sell their mothers for more time at the trough. Still Trades Unions are being destroyed from within, and without, and the latest trick is removal of as much worker protection as posible, I wonder how the nu-labia union supported members voted... http://www.ier.org.u k/blog/update-coalit ions-plans-reverse-1 14-year-old-employme nt-right-new-briefin g-released Niel

5:53pm Tue 20 Nov 12

JesusChristTheSecond says...

southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
saint61 wrote:
"Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action."

NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT
Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT
Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.
For the person who always signs himself out as “IDIOT”. You are going to ask Lee Hecht Harrison, brought in by Ford for its own workers, to help you be self-employed, which you think is the best way to be because you have decided that it is the best for you. The problem is that you need certain skills for this, like being able to sell your services, which won’t work because of your “speach problem”. Try to be able to see things from other people’s points of view. If I was a contractor, I’d be going on strike. If they want to do away with me, well, they’re doing it anyway, aren’t they? If I was afraid of not being popular, well, I already aren’t. And if Ford gets its money back by suing the contracting companies, some of whom apparently haven’t yet been officially and legally informed that Ford is closing, which is delaying their dealing with the situation, why should I care, when those companies are going to make me redundant in a short while anyway. But I won’t do that. Because I’m not a contractor. I’m a Fordie. If the contractors go on strike, or are gotten rid of too soon, I’m going to have a jolly time twiddling my thumbs and getting paid for it for a while, with no parts being delivered etc. Don’t worry about the contractors affecting any payments to us, but why should they care anyway, if they believe that we are all like you? The only reason that I’m bothering to respond to you is to show the contractors this. The only problem with that strike, for me, would be going to the toilet, where someone would not have cleaned up after you. The contractors understand my position as well. I’ve been bought out. John Denham would have had no influence over me, or any other Fordie I know, forget the irrelevant stuff about being a good man or a sell-out. I’m not going to march over and strike with the contractors, because it will cost me, and you, our maximum continuity payments, although I would have liked to have seen the look on your face if that happened. The fact that I’m never going to support the contractors doesn’t mean that I cannot see that what is happening is wrong, or appreciate the fact that if I was one of them, I’d be striking. Some of them have worked there for years. And the contractors can see that if they were one of me they would be doing exactly what I am doing, which is sitting tight. I do not have to come up with self-delusional rubbish to get to this conclusion, despite the tendencies of some people, who need to argue that their 90 year old grandmother smokes, and has never had lung cancer, therefore the whole anti-smoking thing is rubbish, just to be able to justify continuing smoking. You do not understand just how much those contractors contribute to the running of that plant. You might, if they go on strike, but you will probably delude yourself that the stoppage was caused by something else, just to be able to still believe what you want to believe. Try to use some logic here. You can reach the same conclusion without having to delude yourself. They are working class, like us, people who do the real work, and you are kissing the backsides of managers here by saying that what the managers are doing is right. I hope that you don’t belong to any working men’s club that I frequent. But then they are selective in their membership.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: "Among the various reasons they gave one was that they were concerned he would urge workers to do something such as industrial action." NO NEED FOR HIM TO URGE THIS - THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY PLANNING IT AND HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CARRYING IT OUT[/p][/quote]Are these the 'CONTRACTORS' that don't actually work for Fords you are talking about!! The word Contractors says it all don't you think!! IDIOT[/p][/quote]Oh you seem to think that the Contractors do have any power if they walk out on strike, they could bring Fords to a stand still.[/p][/quote]For the person who always signs himself out as “IDIOT”. You are going to ask Lee Hecht Harrison, brought in by Ford for its own workers, to help you be self-employed, which you think is the best way to be because you have decided that it is the best for you. The problem is that you need certain skills for this, like being able to sell your services, which won’t work because of your “speach problem”. Try to be able to see things from other people’s points of view. If I was a contractor, I’d be going on strike. If they want to do away with me, well, they’re doing it anyway, aren’t they? If I was afraid of not being popular, well, I already aren’t. And if Ford gets its money back by suing the contracting companies, some of whom apparently haven’t yet been officially and legally informed that Ford is closing, which is delaying their dealing with the situation, why should I care, when those companies are going to make me redundant in a short while anyway. But I won’t do that. Because I’m not a contractor. I’m a Fordie. If the contractors go on strike, or are gotten rid of too soon, I’m going to have a jolly time twiddling my thumbs and getting paid for it for a while, with no parts being delivered etc. Don’t worry about the contractors affecting any payments to us, but why should they care anyway, if they believe that we are all like you? The only reason that I’m bothering to respond to you is to show the contractors this. The only problem with that strike, for me, would be going to the toilet, where someone would not have cleaned up after you. The contractors understand my position as well. I’ve been bought out. John Denham would have had no influence over me, or any other Fordie I know, forget the irrelevant stuff about being a good man or a sell-out. I’m not going to march over and strike with the contractors, because it will cost me, and you, our maximum continuity payments, although I would have liked to have seen the look on your face if that happened. The fact that I’m never going to support the contractors doesn’t mean that I cannot see that what is happening is wrong, or appreciate the fact that if I was one of them, I’d be striking. Some of them have worked there for years. And the contractors can see that if they were one of me they would be doing exactly what I am doing, which is sitting tight. I do not have to come up with self-delusional rubbish to get to this conclusion, despite the tendencies of some people, who need to argue that their 90 year old grandmother smokes, and has never had lung cancer, therefore the whole anti-smoking thing is rubbish, just to be able to justify continuing smoking. You do not understand just how much those contractors contribute to the running of that plant. You might, if they go on strike, but you will probably delude yourself that the stoppage was caused by something else, just to be able to still believe what you want to believe. Try to use some logic here. You can reach the same conclusion without having to delude yourself. They are working class, like us, people who do the real work, and you are kissing the backsides of managers here by saying that what the managers are doing is right. I hope that you don’t belong to any working men’s club that I frequent. But then they are selective in their membership. JesusChristTheSecond

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