I will limit cuts to police says Hampshire's new commissioner

Daily Echo: Simon Hayes Simon Hayes

HAMPSHIRE'S newly elected law and order champion has vowed to limit cuts to police personnel.

Simon Hayes was voted in as the new police and crime commissioner for Hampshire and the Isle of Wight on Thursday.

And now he has announced he will lower the cut of 390 officers suggested by Hampshire Police Authority to around 200.

He also views improvements in police response times as being an “absolute priority”.

Mr Hayes, who stood as an independent candidate in Thursday's elections, beat former Conservative minister Michael Mates by nearly 15,000 votes.

He has now outlined his plans to reduce reoffending through initiatives such as restorative justice - where criminals face their victims.

The former Tory said he was “not convinced” that the most effective way of dealing with an offender was to send them to prison for six months.

His comments come just days after he insisted he still had the mandate of the people for the £85,000 role - despite the worst turn out for any poll in Hampshire's history.

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6:29pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Plum Pudding says...

"IT is the first vehicle of its kind to be used by a police force in the UK.

Constructed using some of the world's most advanced technology it can withstand gunfire, grenades and bomb blasts.

Now Hampshire police has unveiled a £120,000 armoured Land Rover as its latest tool in the fight against crime.

The four-tonne vehicle will replace the force's outdated current armoured car, which was bought on the recommendation of the Home Office following the Hungerford shootings in August 1987.

The new car will be used for armed incidents such as sieges, counter-terrorism and detaining violent criminals across Hampshire and the Isle of Wight."

This was a report from 2008. I would be interested how many times this vehicle has been deployed and its full capabilities employed. £120k would have paid for a few bobbies, my suspicion is that the savings are there, but will big boys be prepared to give up their toys?
"IT is the first vehicle of its kind to be used by a police force in the UK. Constructed using some of the world's most advanced technology it can withstand gunfire, grenades and bomb blasts. Now Hampshire police has unveiled a £120,000 armoured Land Rover as its latest tool in the fight against crime. The four-tonne vehicle will replace the force's outdated current armoured car, which was bought on the recommendation of the Home Office following the Hungerford shootings in August 1987. The new car will be used for armed incidents such as sieges, counter-terrorism and detaining violent criminals across Hampshire and the Isle of Wight." This was a report from 2008. I would be interested how many times this vehicle has been deployed and its full capabilities employed. £120k would have paid for a few bobbies, my suspicion is that the savings are there, but will big boys be prepared to give up their toys? Plum Pudding
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6:32pm Sun 18 Nov 12

AndyAndrews says...

Of the few people in Hampshire who voted Hayes into power, how many voted for him solely out of the belief he was the only "independent", rather than the senior local Tory politician he was until last year?
Of the few people in Hampshire who voted Hayes into power, how many voted for him solely out of the belief he was the only "independent", rather than the senior local Tory politician he was until last year? AndyAndrews
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7:50pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Wait, he's actually going to employ a tactic that has been PROVEN to WORK that other forces have used for years? Are pigs flying yet?
Wait, he's actually going to employ a tactic that has been PROVEN to WORK that other forces have used for years? Are pigs flying yet? Ginger_cyclist
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7:58pm Sun 18 Nov 12

cantthinkofone says...

I didn't vote for him, and I find the Conservative party member's stand as an 'Independent' to be utterly dishonest.

However...

"The former Tory said he was “not convinced” that the most effective way of dealing with an offender was to send them to prison for six months."

He's showing a commendable degree of common sense there. Although it's hugely unpopular with the string-em-up brigade, the truth is that prison simply doesn't work. It needs to be kept as a last resort, instead of chucking minor offenders inside who come out the other end with a degree in criminality and a host of unsavoury connections.

I hope he has the guts to continue in this vein, and doesn't instead dip his knee to the bloodlu5t of daily mail readers.
I didn't vote for him, and I find the Conservative party member's stand as an 'Independent' to be utterly dishonest. However... "The former Tory said he was “not convinced” that the most effective way of dealing with an offender was to send them to prison for six months." He's showing a commendable degree of common sense there. Although it's hugely unpopular with the string-em-up brigade, the truth is that prison simply doesn't work. It needs to be kept as a last resort, instead of chucking minor offenders inside who come out the other end with a degree in criminality and a host of unsavoury connections. I hope he has the guts to continue in this vein, and doesn't instead dip his knee to the bloodlu5t of daily mail readers. cantthinkofone
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7:21am Mon 19 Nov 12

loosehead says...

I voted UKIP on this but did this guy say this to the electorate? did he say break the law but don't go inside?
I was hoping he would say the New Police Headquarters would be found in the brand new Police Station in Southampton & the tip at Eastleigh would be sold off giving money for front line forces?
I voted UKIP on this but did this guy say this to the electorate? did he say break the law but don't go inside? I was hoping he would say the New Police Headquarters would be found in the brand new Police Station in Southampton & the tip at Eastleigh would be sold off giving money for front line forces? loosehead
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7:22am Mon 19 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Great burgle a persons house sit in front of them pretend your sorry & hey ho your let off Scot Free great justice isn't it?
Great burgle a persons house sit in front of them pretend your sorry & hey ho your let off Scot Free great justice isn't it? loosehead
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10:13am Mon 19 Nov 12

Rose Bowl says...

3% of the voters in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight voted for this man.

And the first thing he is going to do is increase our taxes by paying for more officers.

How much will 200 extra officers cost ? £10 Million pounds?

The realities of this office will crush him. He hasn't worked out how much its going to cost and he is playing politics with OUR money.

I'd say it will be a month before we hear his first excuse. Thats only because he won't have worked out what he is doing until then.....
3% of the voters in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight voted for this man. And the first thing he is going to do is increase our taxes by paying for more officers. How much will 200 extra officers cost ? £10 Million pounds? The realities of this office will crush him. He hasn't worked out how much its going to cost and he is playing politics with OUR money. I'd say it will be a month before we hear his first excuse. Thats only because he won't have worked out what he is doing until then..... Rose Bowl
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12:42pm Mon 19 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Rose Bowl wrote:
3% of the voters in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight voted for this man.

And the first thing he is going to do is increase our taxes by paying for more officers.

How much will 200 extra officers cost ? £10 Million pounds?

The realities of this office will crush him. He hasn't worked out how much its going to cost and he is playing politics with OUR money.

I'd say it will be a month before we hear his first excuse. Thats only because he won't have worked out what he is doing until then.....
Surely with sending no one to prison he's going to save money there & then will spend it on Police Officers to catch these people when they break the law again only for them to get away with it again?
If you can do the crime you can take the punishment or don't do it or do the crime & get away with it?
[quote][p][bold]Rose Bowl[/bold] wrote: 3% of the voters in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight voted for this man. And the first thing he is going to do is increase our taxes by paying for more officers. How much will 200 extra officers cost ? £10 Million pounds? The realities of this office will crush him. He hasn't worked out how much its going to cost and he is playing politics with OUR money. I'd say it will be a month before we hear his first excuse. Thats only because he won't have worked out what he is doing until then.....[/p][/quote]Surely with sending no one to prison he's going to save money there & then will spend it on Police Officers to catch these people when they break the law again only for them to get away with it again? If you can do the crime you can take the punishment or don't do it or do the crime & get away with it? loosehead
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8:20pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

loosehead wrote:
Rose Bowl wrote:
3% of the voters in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight voted for this man.

And the first thing he is going to do is increase our taxes by paying for more officers.

How much will 200 extra officers cost ? £10 Million pounds?

The realities of this office will crush him. He hasn't worked out how much its going to cost and he is playing politics with OUR money.

I'd say it will be a month before we hear his first excuse. Thats only because he won't have worked out what he is doing until then.....
Surely with sending no one to prison he's going to save money there & then will spend it on Police Officers to catch these people when they break the law again only for them to get away with it again?
If you can do the crime you can take the punishment or don't do it or do the crime & get away with it?
Actually the scheme is only aimed at those who are under 18 and other forces have found that it works much better than sending them to juvi.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rose Bowl[/bold] wrote: 3% of the voters in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight voted for this man. And the first thing he is going to do is increase our taxes by paying for more officers. How much will 200 extra officers cost ? £10 Million pounds? The realities of this office will crush him. He hasn't worked out how much its going to cost and he is playing politics with OUR money. I'd say it will be a month before we hear his first excuse. Thats only because he won't have worked out what he is doing until then.....[/p][/quote]Surely with sending no one to prison he's going to save money there & then will spend it on Police Officers to catch these people when they break the law again only for them to get away with it again? If you can do the crime you can take the punishment or don't do it or do the crime & get away with it?[/p][/quote]Actually the scheme is only aimed at those who are under 18 and other forces have found that it works much better than sending them to juvi. Ginger_cyclist
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9:21pm Mon 19 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Rose Bowl wrote:
3% of the voters in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight voted for this man.

And the first thing he is going to do is increase our taxes by paying for more officers.

How much will 200 extra officers cost ? £10 Million pounds?

The realities of this office will crush him. He hasn't worked out how much its going to cost and he is playing politics with OUR money.

I'd say it will be a month before we hear his first excuse. Thats only because he won't have worked out what he is doing until then.....
Surely with sending no one to prison he's going to save money there & then will spend it on Police Officers to catch these people when they break the law again only for them to get away with it again?
If you can do the crime you can take the punishment or don't do it or do the crime & get away with it?
Actually the scheme is only aimed at those who are under 18 and other forces have found that it works much better than sending them to juvi.
You're having a laugh aren't you?
I was burgled by school kids after items they could sell to buy drugs they sent an apology.
IThey can stuff their apology I like the show 60's style boot camp & that would be the best treatment for them.
Get ex Soldiers maybe TA soldiers find a Barracks out on the Moors away from City's or Towns & put them through their paces not wipe their bums & let them off with a there there
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rose Bowl[/bold] wrote: 3% of the voters in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight voted for this man. And the first thing he is going to do is increase our taxes by paying for more officers. How much will 200 extra officers cost ? £10 Million pounds? The realities of this office will crush him. He hasn't worked out how much its going to cost and he is playing politics with OUR money. I'd say it will be a month before we hear his first excuse. Thats only because he won't have worked out what he is doing until then.....[/p][/quote]Surely with sending no one to prison he's going to save money there & then will spend it on Police Officers to catch these people when they break the law again only for them to get away with it again? If you can do the crime you can take the punishment or don't do it or do the crime & get away with it?[/p][/quote]Actually the scheme is only aimed at those who are under 18 and other forces have found that it works much better than sending them to juvi.[/p][/quote]You're having a laugh aren't you? I was burgled by school kids after items they could sell to buy drugs they sent an apology. IThey can stuff their apology I like the show 60's style boot camp & that would be the best treatment for them. Get ex Soldiers maybe TA soldiers find a Barracks out on the Moors away from City's or Towns & put them through their paces not wipe their bums & let them off with a there there loosehead
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9:23pm Mon 19 Nov 12

loosehead says...

In the next election I will definitely research the candidates as I don't want this type of rubbish
In the next election I will definitely research the candidates as I don't want this type of rubbish loosehead
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9:26pm Mon 19 Nov 12

forest hump says...

Politicians running the Police Force....God forbid! Why can we not leave it to the experts...the Police? Why did Alex Marshall resign? Because of clowns like this wanting their path to fame. It will end in tears!
Politicians running the Police Force....God forbid! Why can we not leave it to the experts...the Police? Why did Alex Marshall resign? Because of clowns like this wanting their path to fame. It will end in tears! forest hump
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11:35pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

loosehead wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Rose Bowl wrote:
3% of the voters in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight voted for this man.

And the first thing he is going to do is increase our taxes by paying for more officers.

How much will 200 extra officers cost ? £10 Million pounds?

The realities of this office will crush him. He hasn't worked out how much its going to cost and he is playing politics with OUR money.

I'd say it will be a month before we hear his first excuse. Thats only because he won't have worked out what he is doing until then.....
Surely with sending no one to prison he's going to save money there & then will spend it on Police Officers to catch these people when they break the law again only for them to get away with it again?
If you can do the crime you can take the punishment or don't do it or do the crime & get away with it?
Actually the scheme is only aimed at those who are under 18 and other forces have found that it works much better than sending them to juvi.
You're having a laugh aren't you?
I was burgled by school kids after items they could sell to buy drugs they sent an apology.
IThey can stuff their apology I like the show 60's style boot camp & that would be the best treatment for them.
Get ex Soldiers maybe TA soldiers find a Barracks out on the Moors away from City's or Towns & put them through their paces not wipe their bums & let them off with a there there
No, not having a laugh, it does actually work, especially with school kids though normally for smaller crimes such as petty shoplifting and stuff.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rose Bowl[/bold] wrote: 3% of the voters in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight voted for this man. And the first thing he is going to do is increase our taxes by paying for more officers. How much will 200 extra officers cost ? £10 Million pounds? The realities of this office will crush him. He hasn't worked out how much its going to cost and he is playing politics with OUR money. I'd say it will be a month before we hear his first excuse. Thats only because he won't have worked out what he is doing until then.....[/p][/quote]Surely with sending no one to prison he's going to save money there & then will spend it on Police Officers to catch these people when they break the law again only for them to get away with it again? If you can do the crime you can take the punishment or don't do it or do the crime & get away with it?[/p][/quote]Actually the scheme is only aimed at those who are under 18 and other forces have found that it works much better than sending them to juvi.[/p][/quote]You're having a laugh aren't you? I was burgled by school kids after items they could sell to buy drugs they sent an apology. IThey can stuff their apology I like the show 60's style boot camp & that would be the best treatment for them. Get ex Soldiers maybe TA soldiers find a Barracks out on the Moors away from City's or Towns & put them through their paces not wipe their bums & let them off with a there there[/p][/quote]No, not having a laugh, it does actually work, especially with school kids though normally for smaller crimes such as petty shoplifting and stuff. Ginger_cyclist
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