Are unions running the council? (From Daily Echo)

Linesman wrote:
"We voted in a Political Party to run this city...."

Nice to know that you voted Labour.

Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control

SaintsBTGOG wrote:
Yes of course they are !

Nationally and locally Labours dinosaur bootboys are in control. They donate millions, so labour can be their puppets.

Basically labour lied and mislead Southampton voters to get back into power.

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.

All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.

andyfidler1966 wrote:
I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has!
To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

southy wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late

SaintsBTGOG wrote:
Yes of course they are !

Nationally and locally Labours dinosaur bootboys are in control. They donate millions, so labour can be their puppets.

Basically labour lied and mislead Southampton voters to get back into power.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.

All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.

.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists

, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late

Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it.
freefinker says...
7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing
So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up.
.. it's what I've been saying all along.

He made it up.

james47 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

Fair point; there is better stories to highlight, like how the current corrupt MP's like your boss Denham keep stuffing their pockets with taxpayers cash:

http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/10056896

.MP_defends_rent_exp

ense_claim/

Also, why is Denham not listing whom his landlord is? Funneling the money back to himself or some offshore company like Ken Livingstone possibly? Just curious......if he has nothing to hide then come clean....but we know he wont.....

http://www.channel4.

com/microsites/D/Dis

patches/FOI2012-A067

a-2012-11-19-AnnexA.

pdf

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control

'capitalist world in control?'.

What the hell does that mean?

Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.

SaintsBTGOG wrote:
Yes of course they are !

Nationally and locally Labours dinosaur bootboys are in control. They donate millions, so labour can be their puppets.

Basically labour lied and mislead Southampton voters to get back into power.

peenut81 wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control

'capitalist world in control?'.

What the hell does that mean?

Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.

Southy refers to the fact that as a system of social-economic and therefore political relations the world is defined by Capitalism (as opposed to feudal/theological or slavery for eg.). The means of production fell in line long ago, the establishment during the 19th century but the post war world and in particular the post 1989 world has seen every facet of our lives dictated and controlled by the framework capitalism provides.
You can see it on this forum all the time, an article about human misery is reduced to right wingers moaning about the cost (ie a reduction in profit) or they will emphasise their individual ability not to be effected (alienation caused by capitalism ), obsessions with consumerism and people defining their lives/identity by their sports team (a fetishism triggered by capitalism) are other examples. Really shoong your strength appears to be picking up other peoples faults yet it is clear you don't read much apart from this dirty right wing rag as jonny x so accurately defined it.

southy wrote:

peenut81 wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control

'capitalist world in control?'.

What the hell does that mean?

Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.

Southy refers to the fact that as a system of social-economic and therefore political relations the world is defined by Capitalism (as opposed to feudal/theological or slavery for eg.). The means of production fell in line long ago, the establishment during the 19th century but the post war world and in particular the post 1989 world has seen every facet of our lives dictated and controlled by the framework capitalism provides.
You can see it on this forum all the time, an article about human misery is reduced to right wingers moaning about the cost (ie a reduction in profit) or they will emphasise their individual ability not to be effected (alienation caused by capitalism ), obsessions with consumerism and people defining their lives/identity by their sports team (a fetishism triggered by capitalism) are other examples. Really shoong your strength appears to be picking up other peoples faults yet it is clear you don't read much apart from this dirty right wing rag as jonny x so accurately defined it.

he just a stalker peenut81 that as not learned how to think for him self and have an independant thought.

james47 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

Fair point; there is better stories to highlight, like how the current corrupt MP's like your boss Denham keep stuffing their pockets with taxpayers cash:

http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/10056896

.MP_defends_rent_exp

ense_claim/

Also, why is Denham not listing whom his landlord is? Funneling the money back to himself or some offshore company like Ken Livingstone possibly? Just curious......if he has nothing to hide then come clean....but we know he wont.....

http://www.channel4.

com/microsites/D/Dis

patches/FOI2012-A067

a-2012-11-19-AnnexA.

pdf

The Watcher wrote:
Good industrial relations and employee involvement works excellently in countries such as Germany. I see nothing wrong in involving employees and their representative bodies in mature discussions.
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This Council was voted in with a considerable mandate from the electorate and Cllr Smith needs to understand that (as does The Echo!).
.
Rather than chirp unhelpful ly from the sidelines my party should be questioning why it was so comprehensively routed at the ballot box?

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late

Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.

Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late

Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.

Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.

No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late

Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.

Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.

No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.

All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.

.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists


, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.

The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party

Cyber__Fug wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late

Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.

Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.

No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?

Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !

freefinker wrote:

Cyber__Fug wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late

Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.

Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.

No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?

Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !

.. approaching the quality of the Rahit Maryada saga, me finks.

Linesman wrote:
"We voted in a Political Party to run this city...."

Nice to know that you voted Labour.

Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.

All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.

.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists


, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.

The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party

Over the Edge wrote:
An urgent Council Cabinet meeting called for 5pm today to discuss whether the council act as the accountable body and accept £2 million pounds of funding next spring from the Regional Development agency, to assist in setting up small business's and to assist redundant Ford worker going self -employed,,,, list of atte.dees does not include any union representations, also on the agenda, Council budget proposal,,,, again not union rep in sight, consultation papers on the council budget sent out to Councillors and council partners in the city,,,,I suppose you could class the unions who represent council employees as partners, I received consultation papers through my employment in the 3rd/voluntary sector working in Southampton.

I do see a problem with asking people for their opinions regardless if they're union rep's or not

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together wrote:
Loosehead,
It seems crazy

Surely there is a conflict of interest here that any council worker who is not in a union should be worried about

It is time for ALL the council workers to join the unions, and for the workers to vote down those who wish for strikes, and to kick out any leaders who seem to prioritise political aims over the job security of the work force.

It seems clear to me who had the best interests of the workers and residents at heart, and that was the previous conservative council.

It would have been much better for everyone to have had a small pay cut, than have the service cuts, job losses, and wasted money in redundancy payouts that are resulting from from the decisions of this labour council

It is such a shame that so many people are ideologically opposed to the conservatives without understanding their policies, or the lack of sustainability of labour and union policies. They will sadly suffer because of it, as the effects of labour's approach bite. It was completely obvious that those working towards a labour council via union discontent etc would be turkeys voting for Christmas, yet how is it possible to get these people to understand?

More of the council workers who had the sense not to vote in favour of strikes need to have the courage to actually vote against next time.

There will be so many families who suffer because of jobs lost unnecessarily by labour. So many residents who lose services they rely upon because labour are not brave enough to take the tough decisions.

loosehead wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:
An urgent Council Cabinet meeting called for 5pm today to discuss whether the council act as the accountable body and accept £2 million pounds of funding next spring from the Regional Development agency, to assist in setting up small business's and to assist redundant Ford worker going self -employed,,,, list of atte.dees does not include any union representations, also on the agenda, Council budget proposal,,,, again not union rep in sight, consultation papers on the council budget sent out to Councillors and council partners in the city,,,,I suppose you could class the unions who represent council employees as partners, I received consultation papers through my employment in the 3rd/voluntary sector working in Southampton.

I do see a problem with asking people for their opinions regardless if they're union rep's or not

That would make the Unions & Southy out to be liars wouldn't it?
they both agreed they sit in on all Labour decisions or committees so your saying they don't?
Over the edge in certain countries they are not allowed to read any non state papers or get into trouble.
Do you think it was right of Tucker to say we will not buy the Echo?
Before the local elections I & many other Tory supporters could quite easily say the ECHO was Anti Tory but realised it was just a way to sell papers so how come this leader of men ( he's a joke) can't accept this?

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

peenut81 wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control

'capitalist world in control?'.

What the hell does that mean?

Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.

Southy refers to the fact that as a system of social-economic and therefore political relations the world is defined by Capitalism (as opposed to feudal/theological or slavery for eg.). The means of production fell in line long ago, the establishment during the 19th century but the post war world and in particular the post 1989 world has seen every facet of our lives dictated and controlled by the framework capitalism provides.
You can see it on this forum all the time, an article about human misery is reduced to right wingers moaning about the cost (ie a reduction in profit) or they will emphasise their individual ability not to be effected (alienation caused by capitalism ), obsessions with consumerism and people defining their lives/identity by their sports team (a fetishism triggered by capitalism) are other examples. Really shoong your strength appears to be picking up other peoples faults yet it is clear you don't read much apart from this dirty right wing rag as jonny x so accurately defined it.

he just a stalker peenut81 that as not learned how to think for him self and have an independant thought.

You are both correct, of course. The internet does seem to attract the all the weirdos.

Cyber__Fug wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late

Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.

Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.

No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?

Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together wrote:
The unions shouldn't be allowed to cost the taxpayer a penny. We shouldnt be funding them, when it seems they are always acting in their own interests, which are always in line with the public and taxpayers interests.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Sotonians_lets_pull_

together wrote:
The unions shouldn't be allowed to cost the taxpayer a penny. We shouldnt be funding them, when it seems they are always acting in their own interests, which are always in line with the public and taxpayers interests.

But its ok to fund and finance supporters of the Tory party is it ??

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.

All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.

.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists



, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.

The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party

.. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish.

The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member.

The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency.

I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:
"We voted in a Political Party to run this city...."

Nice to know that you voted Labour.

Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.

The "WE" meant the people of this city I for one would have rather voted for Southy than for the Lying Williams Party.
I also didn't vote for either Mates or the independent candidates.
I actually voted for UKIP as he has been a copper of one sort.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.

All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.

.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists




, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.

The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party

.. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish.

The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member.

The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency.

I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.

They had every connections with Militant, many of the older Militant members was part of the ILP, when the ILP left Labour, you find all the smaller left wing groups was Connected, the ILP was part of the Revolutionary Socialist League, and even today the ILP still remains connected the the SP, the ILP still turns up at the SPC every year.
And I am not far left I am Center to Left and thats is where the SP stands as a whole.

southy wrote:

Cyber__Fug wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late

Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.

Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.

No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?

Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !

You just do not have a clue do you, things can be siad in many ways and still mean the same thing.
A Needs Budget Program is a Needs Budget it is budget that meets the needs of the local community, they all mean the same.

I take it takes all 3 of you to change 1 light bulb.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.

All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.

.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists





, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.

The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party

.. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish.

The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member.

The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency.

I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.

They had every connections with Militant, many of the older Militant members was part of the ILP, when the ILP left Labour, you find all the smaller left wing groups was Connected, the ILP was part of the Revolutionary Socialist League, and even today the ILP still remains connected the the SP, the ILP still turns up at the SPC every year.
And I am not far left I am Center to Left and thats is where the SP stands as a whole.

.. yes southy, if you say so.

I know Stalin was a bit handy with the air-brush in altering history, so that it reflected the 'real truth'.

But you, well what can I say? Those days are over southy. You don't control the channels of 'truth' like some of your heroes. It's the 21st century and this is a relatively free democracy where accurate information is easily available.

But if you want to believe ‘the party line’, so be it. At least you don’t get persecuted for holding such counter revolutionary views.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Cyber__Fug wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late

Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.

Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.

No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?

Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !

You just do not have a clue do you, things can be siad in many ways and still mean the same thing.
A Needs Budget Program is a Needs Budget it is budget that meets the needs of the local community, they all mean the same.

I take it takes all 3 of you to change 1 light bulb.

Just because the word 'needs' is positioned four words after the word 'budget' does not make it into the huge edifice, a ‘Needs Budget Program’, that you have been going on about for weeks.


I'm sure if you closely inspected the manifestos of the Tories, NuLab, etc. you would find statements with a similar message to your “to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community”. That’s standard political waffle.

However, if we actually look at the following words, “and demands that the government makes up the shortfall” it's just the same old "No Cuts" slogan, isn’t it?

It’s not a workable policy or budget proposal, is it? Demand that the government makes up the shortfall. Yea, right; they’ll do that, won’t they?

You are all delusionists. And you say WE don't have a clue!!

Over the Edge wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:
An urgent Council Cabinet meeting called for 5pm today to discuss whether the council act as the accountable body and accept £2 million pounds of funding next spring from the Regional Development agency, to assist in setting up small business's and to assist redundant Ford worker going self -employed,,,, list of atte.dees does not include any union representations, also on the agenda, Council budget proposal,,,, again not union rep in sight, consultation papers on the council budget sent out to Councillors and council partners in the city,,,,I suppose you could class the unions who represent council employees as partners, I received consultation papers through my employment in the 3rd/voluntary sector working in Southampton.

I do see a problem with asking people for their opinions regardless if they're union rep's or not

That would make the Unions & Southy out to be liars wouldn't it?
they both agreed they sit in on all Labour decisions or committees so your saying they don't?
Over the edge in certain countries they are not allowed to read any non state papers or get into trouble.
Do you think it was right of Tucker to say we will not buy the Echo?
Before the local elections I & many other Tory supporters could quite easily say the ECHO was Anti Tory but realised it was just a way to sell papers so how come this leader of men ( he's a joke) can't accept this?

The Echo worked in partnership with the council to obtain the grant,,,,£2 million into the council coffers to help people set up small business's and go self-employed even ex council workers and Fords workers,,,Tucker is a tw@t,,,,bad news sells papers locally and nationally,,,I read on line and have the Echo delivered everyday,,,,no one will tell me or my family what we read,,,its called freedom of choice,,,I am union member,,,and a non Tory supporter

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:
"We voted in a Political Party to run this city...."

Nice to know that you voted Labour.

Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.

The "WE" meant the people of this city I for one would have rather voted for Southy than for the Lying Williams Party.
I also didn't vote for either Mates or the independent candidates.
I actually voted for UKIP as he has been a copper of one sort.

Loose at the moment Tucker and co are fighting to stop its members from supporting the TUSC, Woodland is now worried about it to after the Labour council budget and the number of job losses that are on the cards.
You should of seen the letter that was sent out to Unison members, about the support to don and keith over there actions, and yet the TUSC who was all ready supportting Don and Keith actions condemed the TUSC and do not support the TUSC over the matter, many of Unison members I have spoken to think Tucker as lost the plot, and wanted to know how can you support Don and Keith but not the TUSC who are all fighting in the same corner.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Cyber__Fug wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.

Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late

Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.

Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.

No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?

Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !

You just do not have a clue do you, things can be siad in many ways and still mean the same thing.
A Needs Budget Program is a Needs Budget it is budget that meets the needs of the local community, they all mean the same.

I take it takes all 3 of you to change 1 light bulb.

Just because the word 'needs' is positioned four words after the word 'budget' does not make it into the huge edifice, a ‘Needs Budget Program’, that you have been going on about for weeks.


I'm sure if you closely inspected the manifestos of the Tories, NuLab, etc. you would find statements with a similar message to your “to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community”. That’s standard political waffle.

However, if we actually look at the following words, “and demands that the government makes up the shortfall” it's just the same old "No Cuts" slogan, isn’t it?

It’s not a workable policy or budget proposal, is it? Demand that the government makes up the shortfall. Yea, right; they’ll do that, won’t they?

You are all delusionists. And you say WE don't have a clue!!

You still do not have a clue. A Needs Budget is a Needs Budget Program and it do not matter how you word it, its still the same, Its the opposite to a Cuts Budget Program, or if you like Cuts Budget they mean the same

southy wrote:
freefinker
suggestion for you, get your self involved and active, then you might begin to understand
Loosehead as not jump in because he is active and involved and he understands that they mean the same.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.

All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.

.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists






, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.

The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party

.. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish.

The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member.

The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency.

I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.

They had every connections with Militant, many of the older Militant members was part of the ILP, when the ILP left Labour, you find all the smaller left wing groups was Connected, the ILP was part of the Revolutionary Socialist League, and even today the ILP still remains connected the the SP, the ILP still turns up at the SPC every year.
And I am not far left I am Center to Left and thats is where the SP stands as a whole.

.. yes southy, if you say so.

I know Stalin was a bit handy with the air-brush in altering history, so that it reflected the 'real truth'.

But you, well what can I say? Those days are over southy. You don't control the channels of 'truth' like some of your heroes. It's the 21st century and this is a relatively free democracy where accurate information is easily available.

But if you want to believe ‘the party line’, so be it. At least you don’t get persecuted for holding such counter revolutionary views.

What happen, happen your not going to find out the real truth by Right wingers who post and print an altered truth, they do not what the likes of you to find the real truth, because if you did you want to know more. and keep bring up Stalin will not help you, those that knows there history or will to find out, will know that Stalin had nothing to do with Oct revoluton the 3rd and final revolution, and that he was all ready in government when the Communist took over, and was allowed to stay and that was because he was a revolutionist even lo he was a capitalist. people don't get taught the real truth you find that out your self later in life.
inaccurate information on the internet as i all ready proven on one case, its people like your self who put up there own version, you find more accurate information in the librarys.
Its like i may not go much on the Local SWP but I still have connections with them, and some our members in the past have joined them and some of there members have joined us, and this what the Revolutionary Socialist League was all about the left staying connected with each other, and this is what part of the TUSC is all about bring the left back under 1 political wing and with some right wingers mix in to.

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control

'capitalist world in control?'. What the hell does that mean? Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Sounds like the Daily Royston is at it again!

andysaints007 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad

Perhaps you could try just once not to be so boring!
The MOAN Ranger rides again

YAWNNNNNNNNNNNN

Inform Al wrote:
How droll, I have tried to read all the posts on this article but have not noticed any that actually address the main point of the Echo's article. I have difficulty accepting that the unions helped the Labour group to seize power when at least one Labour candidate was beaten into second place to her Tory opponent due to more votes than the difference between them being taken by the TUSC candidate. Had he not have stood there would now be one more Labour councillor and one less Tory. The only people to help the Labour group to take over were in fact the previous arrogant useless administration and the electorate who where sick to the teeth of them. I have noticed the expected comments on the union paymasters but am personally aware of the methods used by the Tories to encourage rich property owning party donors to cough up, in fact within days of coming to power C'moron overturned the legislation we had taken over ten years to persuade the previous, also useless lot, to enact on HMOs. So very very obvious. One thing I would like to know and perhaps there is someone out there who can help. Does Newsquest have any connections to the Murdochs?

Ben Durutti wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
How droll, I have tried to read all the posts on this article but have not noticed any that actually address the main point of the Echo's article. I have difficulty accepting that the unions helped the Labour group to seize power when at least one Labour candidate was beaten into second place to her Tory opponent due to more votes than the difference between them being taken by the TUSC candidate. Had he not have stood there would now be one more Labour councillor and one less Tory. The only people to help the Labour group to take over were in fact the previous arrogant useless administration and the electorate who where sick to the teeth of them. I have noticed the expected comments on the union paymasters but am personally aware of the methods used by the Tories to encourage rich property owning party donors to cough up, in fact within days of coming to power C'moron overturned the legislation we had taken over ten years to persuade the previous, also useless lot, to enact on HMOs. So very very obvious. One thing I would like to know and perhaps there is someone out there who can help. Does Newsquest have any connections to the Murdochs?

Your point on HMOs is particularly on the mark locally too, as prominent local landlords used their influence with Tory councillors to neuter the council's actions on HMOs.

Abbey Saint wrote:
Ahhhhh. Politics.

No politician will ever save anything, be it your skin or the entire planet, unless there's something in it for them.

All the political parties are like all the religions - it's about power and control.

Sure there are good people out there, but as soon as their ideas compromise the power and control exercised by their union, religion, political party, whatever; then they're made history in short order.

That's how the human race has ended up with mediocre or worse 'leaders' in positions of power everywhere.

Think about it.

kingnotail wrote:
This article has a level of blatant right-wing bias that would make the Daily Mail blush.

Torchie1 wrote:

Abbey Saint wrote:
Ahhhhh. Politics.

No politician will ever save anything, be it your skin or the entire planet, unless there's something in it for them.

All the political parties are like all the religions - it's about power and control.

Sure there are good people out there, but as soon as their ideas compromise the power and control exercised by their union, religion, political party, whatever; then they're made history in short order.

That's how the human race has ended up with mediocre or worse 'leaders' in positions of power everywhere.

Think about it.

Would we be better off without "union, religion, political party, whatever;" and allowing the Stalins, Hitlers, Pol-Pots and Castros of this world to run things according to their ideas with no-one to compromise their power and control? Think about that. No system is perfect but we may just have the closest that most agree on.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.

Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person.
.
What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession.
.
If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.

Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person.
.
What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession.
.
If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it

You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality?
If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me.
He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks.
you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto.
but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts?
You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot!

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.

Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person.
.
What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession.
.
If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it

You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality?
If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me.
He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks.
you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto.
but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts?
You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot!

Oh dear you are at it again.
.
Incoherent rubbish bearing no resemblence to my post whatsoever.
.
Why dont you let you little friend stick up for himself ....... If he wants to chuck the insults at me then he will get a shed load back .......... as you know.
.
Post your comments ...... and i dont give a toss what they are ...... just as long as they are insults to me

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.

Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person.
.
What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession.
.
If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it

You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality?
If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me.
He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks.
you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto.
but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts?
You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot!

Oh dear you are at it again.
.
Incoherent rubbish bearing no resemblence to my post whatsoever.
.
Why dont you let you little friend stick up for himself ....... If he wants to chuck the insults at me then he will get a shed load back .......... as you know.
.
Post your comments ...... and i dont give a toss what they are ...... just as long as they are insults to me

If your Labour & Union heroes are of the same level of intelligence as you no wonder were in such a state.
Lone Ranger get on your horse & do one as I for one can't stand a Liar & a sore loser.
All the rubbish you've posted on here & now the truth is out about your beloved Labour Party & Unions & what do you resort to?
Insults telling people their posts are incoherent rants?
I hope you sleep well at night & you have a great Christmas & New Year whilst those that have been betrayed by Labour & the Unions have lost their jobs.
Join a Union & get Shafted.
Vote Labour & get shafted.
Vote Tory & get the truth

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.

Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person.
.
What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession.
.
If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it

You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality?
If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me.
He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks.
you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto.
but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts?
You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot!

Oh dear you are at it again.
.
Incoherent rubbish bearing no resemblence to my post whatsoever.
.
Why dont you let you little friend stick up for himself ....... If he wants to chuck the insults at me then he will get a shed load back .......... as you know.
.
Post your comments ...... and i dont give a toss what they are ...... just as long as they are insults to me

If your Labour & Union heroes are of the same level of intelligence as you no wonder were in such a state.
Lone Ranger get on your horse & do one as I for one can't stand a Liar & a sore loser.
All the rubbish you've posted on here & now the truth is out about your beloved Labour Party & Unions & what do you resort to?
Insults telling people their posts are incoherent rants?
I hope you sleep well at night & you have a great Christmas & New Year whilst those that have been betrayed by Labour & the Unions have lost their jobs.
Join a Union & get Shafted.
Vote Labour & get shafted.
Vote Tory & get the truth

If you think, that me telling you, that your posts are "incoherent" rants is an insult then i suggest that you read what others post about you ....... They are not compliments !!.
.
Equally .... how strange it is that apart from you mate in Aldermoor no one actual;ly ever supports your posts....... You are a one man crusade and probably an embarassment to the party that you think you are supporting.
.
Still ........ it give me a good laugh.
.
Oh yes .... and i do sleep very well thanks

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?

loosehead wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party.
I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?

Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party.
I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger

You wouldnt know the truth if you tripped over it.
.
All of your facts come from a Tory website, the Echo or hearsay.
.
As i said before ...... post what you like as it keeps me amused ..........

aldermoorboy wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party.
I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger
Keep posting Loosehead, I like your honesty and without people like you the public would not know the truth.

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?

Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work

YAWN

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?

Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work

YAWN

When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?

Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work

YAWN

When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it

I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?

Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work

YAWN

When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it

I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?

If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?

Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work

YAWN

When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it

I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?

If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive

So in or out of the EU?
Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?

Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work

YAWN

When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it

I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?

If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive

So in or out of the EU?
Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?

Is your head really screwed on or what.
.
Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?

Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work

YAWN

When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it

I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?

If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive

So in or out of the EU?
Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?

Is your head really screwed on or what.
.
Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything

Thought I'd change the subject before I lowered myself to your level!
You are out just to attack anything I say as you know Labour & the Unions have been found out So why not just admit your Party conned the Workers with the help of Tucker & woodland & totally lied to get elected or are you to intelligent to do that you know unlike your leader TELL THE TRUTH

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?

Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work

YAWN

When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it

I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?

If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive

So in or out of the EU?
Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?

Is your head really screwed on or what.
.
Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything

Thought I'd change the subject before I lowered myself to your level!
You are out just to attack anything I say as you know Labour & the Unions have been found out So why not just admit your Party conned the Workers with the help of Tucker & woodland & totally lied to get elected or are you to intelligent to do that you know unlike your leader TELL THE TRUTH

Trust me ..... You are way below my level.
.
Most of the time you change the subject. Now whether that has something to do with a very short attentive span or you are quite simply stupid i am not too sure but i sometimes wonder if you should be out on the streets after dark.
.
Now in my mind anybody that makes up stories about me and one or two others on here about threatening you are really extremely exagerated and slanderous.
.
On top of that to disgustingly post that you are worried about your wife going outside because of it ....... is from the mind of a mad man.
.
To cap it all, to post to Para Bahia these lies is quite simply down right vile.
.
You are a disgusting little man and yes, now you've asked for it, the proof that you are a LIAR
.
THATS THE TRUTH

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.

I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........

So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?

Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work

YAWN

When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it

I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?

If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive

So in or out of the EU?
Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?

Is your head really screwed on or what.
.
Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything

Thought I'd change the subject before I lowered myself to your level!
You are out just to attack anything I say as you know Labour & the Unions have been found out So why not just admit your Party conned the Workers with the help of Tucker & woodland & totally lied to get elected or are you to intelligent to do that you know unlike your leader TELL THE TRUTH

Trust me ..... You are way below my level.
.
Most of the time you change the subject. Now whether that has something to do with a very short attentive span or you are quite simply stupid i am not too sure but i sometimes wonder if you should be out on the streets after dark.
.
Now in my mind anybody that makes up stories about me and one or two others on here about threatening you are really extremely exagerated and slanderous.
.
On top of that to disgustingly post that you are worried about your wife going outside because of it ....... is from the mind of a mad man.
.
To cap it all, to post to Para Bahia these lies is quite simply down right vile.
.
You are a disgusting little man and yes, now you've asked for it, the proof that you are a LIAR
.
THATS THE TRUTH

I was asked if I worried about a little toe rag like you & I replied NJO I could quite easily deal with some one like you.
But I'm married & have my wife to consider.
I also told people my wife is a devout Christian who believes people get their **** uppence when they go in front of GOD.
I would love to meet up with an idiot like you just to see exactly what type of man you really are.
But I love my wife & if she doesn't want me to I wont,
BHut unlike you I'm no coward I've printed my name but you come on here call me a liar so come on BIG man what's your name?
I told you & Paramjit I was threatened well asking me to meet someone in a pub as one poster did isn't that threatening?
I've never asked to meet you in my Rugby Club & wouldn't as I have better things to do with my life.
I see your trying to pally up with Ironlady?
You are a total waste of space exactly where do your insults lead to ? exactly what do you want to come from this type of attack on me?
Do you want me to threaten you?
Never going to happen so give up you total idiot