Multi-million pound fund launched early to to help Ford workers

Multi-million pound fund launched early to to help Ford workers

Multi-million pound fund launched early to to help Ford workers

First published in News

MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund in Southampton is to be launched early to help Ford workers facing redundancy start their own businesses.

The £2m growth fund will provide grants of up to £50,000 to at least 100 businesses to safeguard or create around 400 jobs.

It comes after the council, Daily Echo and Solent Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP) teamed up to successful bid for the cash.

Now business secretary Vince Cable has given the go ahead for the funding to be released early so Ford workers could bid for grants to set up their own businesses ahead of the planned closure of the Swaythling plant next July.

More than 500 Ford workers face redundancy and hundreds more contract and supply jobs are at risk from Ford’s bombshell closure announcement last month.

Half of the funding will be earmarked for new businesses, including 10 start-ups run by young entrepreneurs who have been unemployed for more than six months. The other half will help grow existing businesses.

The “Bridging the Gap” scheme will be targeted at Southampton and the Isle of Wight.

Labour council leaders in Southampton have agreed to administer the funding from the Department for Business.

Final approval for how it will be spent will be given by the full council in January.

Daily Echo editor Ian Murray said: “We are delighted that the funding will allow us to support businesses across Southampton and the Isle of Wight.

“We have seen the success of the first round on the Portsmouth side of the Solent and have constantly been asked by entrepreneurs when this funding will be available on a wider basis.”

A competition for the cash will be launched in the Daily Echo in January with a deadline for expressions of interest in February. Southampton council leader Richard Williams said: “The Cabinet had no hesitation in accepting £2m from the Government’s Regional Growth Fund (RGF) to support local business start-ups and growth, after Southampton City Council, working with Solent Local Enterprise Partnership and the Daily Echo submitted a successful bid for this money.”

The Solent Local Enterprise Partnership, which coordinated the bid, has scooped a total of £15 million in the latest round of grants from the RGF.

Of this, £10 million is being allocated to supporting the defence industry, including the naval base at Portsmouth.

A further £3 million is being ploughed into creating a “world-class” manufacturing training centre in the enterprise zone set up on the former HMS Daedalus site.

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8:05am Thu 22 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.
Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest. hulla baloo
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8:51am Thu 22 Nov 12

Redman says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.
It's not! It's written in such a way to suggest this, but in reality the scheme is open to all around the region, not just Ford employees. It was to be launched at some point in the future, but is being brought forward to help those being made redundant shortly.

I would have thought in reality that very little of the money will go in the direction of the Ford employees.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.[/p][/quote]It's not! It's written in such a way to suggest this, but in reality the scheme is open to all around the region, not just Ford employees. It was to be launched at some point in the future, but is being brought forward to help those being made redundant shortly. I would have thought in reality that very little of the money will go in the direction of the Ford employees. Redman
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8:52am Thu 22 Nov 12

Linesman says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.
The contractors have not lost their jobs.

The firms that were contracted to Ford have no longer got that contract, but they are, or should be still in business with other contracts.

They are responsible for their own employees, not Ford.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.[/p][/quote]The contractors have not lost their jobs. The firms that were contracted to Ford have no longer got that contract, but they are, or should be still in business with other contracts. They are responsible for their own employees, not Ford. Linesman
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9:09am Thu 22 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

Linesman wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.
The contractors have not lost their jobs.

The firms that were contracted to Ford have no longer got that contract, but they are, or should be still in business with other contracts.

They are responsible for their own employees, not Ford.
And what if the loss of the Ford contract has resulted in those companies making redundancies. The fall out is much further than just Ford staff.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.[/p][/quote]The contractors have not lost their jobs. The firms that were contracted to Ford have no longer got that contract, but they are, or should be still in business with other contracts. They are responsible for their own employees, not Ford.[/p][/quote]And what if the loss of the Ford contract has resulted in those companies making redundancies. The fall out is much further than just Ford staff. hulla baloo
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9:19am Thu 22 Nov 12

Redman says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Linesman wrote:
hulla baloo wrote: Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.
The contractors have not lost their jobs. The firms that were contracted to Ford have no longer got that contract, but they are, or should be still in business with other contracts. They are responsible for their own employees, not Ford.
And what if the loss of the Ford contract has resulted in those companies making redundancies. The fall out is much further than just Ford staff.
The company supplying labour to Ford are not a temporary employment agency. They are a full scale logistics company who work alongside Ford, both in this plant and others across Europe. If a plant closes they also go. We're not talking small two-bit company supplying the odd worker from time to time. Their employees are mainly on permanent contracts.
The plant closure will effect these workers in the same way as the Ford employees, only without a payout at the end. But ultimately, come July 2013 they'll both be looking for jobs in the local areas.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.[/p][/quote]The contractors have not lost their jobs. The firms that were contracted to Ford have no longer got that contract, but they are, or should be still in business with other contracts. They are responsible for their own employees, not Ford.[/p][/quote]And what if the loss of the Ford contract has resulted in those companies making redundancies. The fall out is much further than just Ford staff.[/p][/quote]The company supplying labour to Ford are not a temporary employment agency. They are a full scale logistics company who work alongside Ford, both in this plant and others across Europe. If a plant closes they also go. We're not talking small two-bit company supplying the odd worker from time to time. Their employees are mainly on permanent contracts. The plant closure will effect these workers in the same way as the Ford employees, only without a payout at the end. But ultimately, come July 2013 they'll both be looking for jobs in the local areas. Redman
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9:36am Thu 22 Nov 12

gillyman says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.
this is a package for starting new businesses as ford workers will have some capital to create a business and who knows maybe employ some other jobless people so disappointed to continually read local people criticizing ford workers some of whom have held a job there for a very long time sad people having a pop instead of rallying round show what the problems of this country are
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.[/p][/quote]this is a package for starting new businesses as ford workers will have some capital to create a business and who knows maybe employ some other jobless people so disappointed to continually read local people criticizing ford workers some of whom have held a job there for a very long time sad people having a pop instead of rallying round show what the problems of this country are gillyman
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10:34am Thu 22 Nov 12

Linesman says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Linesman wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.
The contractors have not lost their jobs.

The firms that were contracted to Ford have no longer got that contract, but they are, or should be still in business with other contracts.

They are responsible for their own employees, not Ford.
And what if the loss of the Ford contract has resulted in those companies making redundancies. The fall out is much further than just Ford staff.
Why did the contractors 'put all their eggs in one basket'?

The contractors are companies that agreed to work for Ford.

Those companies then employed people to work for them so that the contract with Ford could be carried out.

Ford no longer need the work done that those companies did, so the contract was terminated.

Those companies are responsible for their work force, not Ford because the workforce were not employed directly by Ford.

The sandwich shops and newsagents and tobacconists etc are also going to lose out, and some may even go bust, but they also did not have a contract with Ford.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Why just Ford workers? As I understand. they have been offered a generous redundancy package. If anything, they should be excluded and the scheme offered to the contractors, and any other person out of work and that shows an interest.[/p][/quote]The contractors have not lost their jobs. The firms that were contracted to Ford have no longer got that contract, but they are, or should be still in business with other contracts. They are responsible for their own employees, not Ford.[/p][/quote]And what if the loss of the Ford contract has resulted in those companies making redundancies. The fall out is much further than just Ford staff.[/p][/quote]Why did the contractors 'put all their eggs in one basket'? The contractors are companies that agreed to work for Ford. Those companies then employed people to work for them so that the contract with Ford could be carried out. Ford no longer need the work done that those companies did, so the contract was terminated. Those companies are responsible for their work force, not Ford because the workforce were not employed directly by Ford. The sandwich shops and newsagents and tobacconists etc are also going to lose out, and some may even go bust, but they also did not have a contract with Ford. Linesman
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11:03am Thu 22 Nov 12

ohec says...

Talk about sour grapes i am pleased that the Ford employed people are getting a good deal, unlike some contractors etc who seem to do nothing but moan although they new what the score was in relation to their employment. If you want the benefits of working for a company like Ford get a job with them not some firm supplying contract staff, why do you think Ford preferred to use contract labour ? simply because of the flexibility it gives them without any responsibility to the individual, tough i know but thats life live with it and stop moaning.
Talk about sour grapes i am pleased that the Ford employed people are getting a good deal, unlike some contractors etc who seem to do nothing but moan although they new what the score was in relation to their employment. If you want the benefits of working for a company like Ford get a job with them not some firm supplying contract staff, why do you think Ford preferred to use contract labour ? simply because of the flexibility it gives them without any responsibility to the individual, tough i know but thats life live with it and stop moaning. ohec
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11:05am Thu 22 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

I never said they relied solely on Fords. However, if the contracting company employed staff to fulfill Fords needs, then it is possible that those staff, or a number of them, will be surplus to requirements and no longer be needed.I am merely pointing out that the closure of Fords has a further fall out than those employed by Ford and as such, these scheme should be directed to those not fortunate enough to receive the redundancy package.
I never said they relied solely on Fords. However, if the contracting company employed staff to fulfill Fords needs, then it is possible that those staff, or a number of them, will be surplus to requirements and no longer be needed.I am merely pointing out that the closure of Fords has a further fall out than those employed by Ford and as such, these scheme should be directed to those not fortunate enough to receive the redundancy package. hulla baloo
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11:49am Thu 22 Nov 12

Linesman says...

hulla baloo wrote:
I never said they relied solely on Fords. However, if the contracting company employed staff to fulfill Fords needs, then it is possible that those staff, or a number of them, will be surplus to requirements and no longer be needed.I am merely pointing out that the closure of Fords has a further fall out than those employed by Ford and as such, these scheme should be directed to those not fortunate enough to receive the redundancy package.
and I pointed out that sandwich shops and newsagents etc etc could be affected, and if they close, they will have no settlement from Ford.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: I never said they relied solely on Fords. However, if the contracting company employed staff to fulfill Fords needs, then it is possible that those staff, or a number of them, will be surplus to requirements and no longer be needed.I am merely pointing out that the closure of Fords has a further fall out than those employed by Ford and as such, these scheme should be directed to those not fortunate enough to receive the redundancy package.[/p][/quote]and I pointed out that sandwich shops and newsagents etc etc could be affected, and if they close, they will have no settlement from Ford. Linesman
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1:26pm Thu 22 Nov 12

southy says...

"MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund"

Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
"MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name southy
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1:39pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Redman says...

hulla baloo wrote:
I never said they relied solely on Fords. However, if the contracting company employed staff to fulfill Fords needs, then it is possible that those staff, or a number of them, will be surplus to requirements and no longer be needed.I am merely pointing out that the closure of Fords has a further fall out than those employed by Ford and as such, these scheme should be directed to those not fortunate enough to receive the redundancy package.
The scheme isn't directed at Ford people directly, it's directed at the city of Southampton as a whole. The scheme was always going to run, but later in 2013. All the news is saying is it will be brought forward, and then gone on to include the word Ford in the headlines.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: I never said they relied solely on Fords. However, if the contracting company employed staff to fulfill Fords needs, then it is possible that those staff, or a number of them, will be surplus to requirements and no longer be needed.I am merely pointing out that the closure of Fords has a further fall out than those employed by Ford and as such, these scheme should be directed to those not fortunate enough to receive the redundancy package.[/p][/quote]The scheme isn't directed at Ford people directly, it's directed at the city of Southampton as a whole. The scheme was always going to run, but later in 2013. All the news is saying is it will be brought forward, and then gone on to include the word Ford in the headlines. Redman
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1:41pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Redman says...

hulla baloo wrote:
I never said they relied solely on Fords. However, if the contracting company employed staff to fulfill Fords needs, then it is possible that those staff, or a number of them, will be surplus to requirements and no longer be needed.I am merely pointing out that the closure of Fords has a further fall out than those employed by Ford and as such, these scheme should be directed to those not fortunate enough to receive the redundancy package.
The scheme isn't directed at Ford people directly, it's directed at the city of Southampton as a whole. The scheme was always going to run, but later in 2013. All the news is saying is it will be brought forward, and then gone on to include the word Ford in the headlines.
I'm sure if someone from the contract company, a sandwich shop owner, a cleaner, whoever, has a good idea they can apply make an application to be considered for a grant.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: I never said they relied solely on Fords. However, if the contracting company employed staff to fulfill Fords needs, then it is possible that those staff, or a number of them, will be surplus to requirements and no longer be needed.I am merely pointing out that the closure of Fords has a further fall out than those employed by Ford and as such, these scheme should be directed to those not fortunate enough to receive the redundancy package.[/p][/quote]The scheme isn't directed at Ford people directly, it's directed at the city of Southampton as a whole. The scheme was always going to run, but later in 2013. All the news is saying is it will be brought forward, and then gone on to include the word Ford in the headlines. I'm sure if someone from the contract company, a sandwich shop owner, a cleaner, whoever, has a good idea they can apply make an application to be considered for a grant. Redman
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3:07pm Thu 22 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

southy wrote:
"MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund"

Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank andysaints007
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3:28pm Thu 22 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
"MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund"

Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
lol.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank[/p][/quote]lol. hulla baloo
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3:32pm Thu 22 Nov 12

southy says...

andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
"MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund"

Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also.
Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this.

So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank[/p][/quote]Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also. Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this. So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things. southy
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3:35pm Thu 22 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
"MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund"

Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also.
Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this.

So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things.
Um.... nope, you are still a plank - but a plank full of sh*t
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank[/p][/quote]Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also. Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this. So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things.[/p][/quote]Um.... nope, you are still a plank - but a plank full of sh*t andysaints007
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3:47pm Thu 22 Nov 12

southy says...

andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
"MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund"

Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also.
Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this.

So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things.
Um.... nope, you are still a plank - but a plank full of sh*t
Your so narrow minded that you got to result to insults because you can not think for your self or have any form of vison for your self.
We know why the Capitalist do not want to see this happen, its because they know they never be able to compeat with it, and they would not be able to get there grabby little hands on the large profit this kind of set up would have.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank[/p][/quote]Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also. Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this. So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things.[/p][/quote]Um.... nope, you are still a plank - but a plank full of sh*t[/p][/quote]Your so narrow minded that you got to result to insults because you can not think for your self or have any form of vison for your self. We know why the Capitalist do not want to see this happen, its because they know they never be able to compeat with it, and they would not be able to get there grabby little hands on the large profit this kind of set up would have. southy
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3:57pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Redman says...

andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also. Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this. So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things.
Um.... nope, you are still a plank - but a plank full of sh*t
So Ford sell the rights and the tooling to the current vehicle for Southampton to build a direct competitor to the new vehicle Ford hope will improve their financial performance. Oh and into their largest commercial vehicle market in Europe.

Not withstanding the fact that Kocaeli (who are producing the new vehicle) currently ship Southampton metalwork for the current vehicle.

Furthermore, I will go on... current component prices are based on agreed volumes. To reduce this volume to the UK only would push component prices way beyond financial viability.

But nice try, 10/10 for effort...
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank[/p][/quote]Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also. Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this. So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things.[/p][/quote]Um.... nope, you are still a plank - but a plank full of sh*t[/p][/quote]So Ford sell the rights and the tooling to the current vehicle for Southampton to build a direct competitor to the new vehicle Ford hope will improve their financial performance. Oh and into their largest commercial vehicle market in Europe. Not withstanding the fact that Kocaeli (who are producing the new vehicle) currently ship Southampton metalwork for the current vehicle. Furthermore, I will go on... current component prices are based on agreed volumes. To reduce this volume to the UK only would push component prices way beyond financial viability. But nice try, 10/10 for effort... Redman
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4:28pm Thu 22 Nov 12

freefinker says...

Redman wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also. Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this. So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things.
Um.... nope, you are still a plank - but a plank full of sh*t
So Ford sell the rights and the tooling to the current vehicle for Southampton to build a direct competitor to the new vehicle Ford hope will improve their financial performance. Oh and into their largest commercial vehicle market in Europe.

Not withstanding the fact that Kocaeli (who are producing the new vehicle) currently ship Southampton metalwork for the current vehicle.

Furthermore, I will go on... current component prices are based on agreed volumes. To reduce this volume to the UK only would push component prices way beyond financial viability.

But nice try, 10/10 for effort...
.. there’s no “effort” involved.

Hare-brained schemes come quite naturally to southy.

You see, all that is needed is to "cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment" and voila, paradise awaits.
[quote][p][bold]Redman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank[/p][/quote]Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also. Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this. So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things.[/p][/quote]Um.... nope, you are still a plank - but a plank full of sh*t[/p][/quote]So Ford sell the rights and the tooling to the current vehicle for Southampton to build a direct competitor to the new vehicle Ford hope will improve their financial performance. Oh and into their largest commercial vehicle market in Europe. Not withstanding the fact that Kocaeli (who are producing the new vehicle) currently ship Southampton metalwork for the current vehicle. Furthermore, I will go on... current component prices are based on agreed volumes. To reduce this volume to the UK only would push component prices way beyond financial viability. But nice try, 10/10 for effort...[/p][/quote].. there’s no “effort” involved. Hare-brained schemes come quite naturally to southy. You see, all that is needed is to "cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment" and voila, paradise awaits. freefinker
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5:17pm Thu 22 Nov 12

ohec says...

andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
"MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund"

Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
I must say i most strongly object to you calling southy a plank, have you no respect for planks after all planks are very useful things where would scaffolders be without them.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank[/p][/quote]I must say i most strongly object to you calling southy a plank, have you no respect for planks after all planks are very useful things where would scaffolders be without them. ohec
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5:23pm Thu 22 Nov 12

southy says...

Redman wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also. Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this. So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things.
Um.... nope, you are still a plank - but a plank full of sh*t
So Ford sell the rights and the tooling to the current vehicle for Southampton to build a direct competitor to the new vehicle Ford hope will improve their financial performance. Oh and into their largest commercial vehicle market in Europe.

Not withstanding the fact that Kocaeli (who are producing the new vehicle) currently ship Southampton metalwork for the current vehicle.

Furthermore, I will go on... current component prices are based on agreed volumes. To reduce this volume to the UK only would push component prices way beyond financial viability.

But nice try, 10/10 for effort...
At lest your are thinking the ups and downs, But there this to think about, Fords do not have the out right ownership to the design, they paid for a licence to be able to build that model design, and there is no limits to the number of licences that design company can sale. The Tooling was paid for by the British Tax payers its the state that owns the Tools not Fords, Fords have been recieving money from our Governments since day one when they first produce cars here, to pay for the retooling for new models and the up keep of them, Fords recieved £50 million for the tools that produce the models that being built there now, The metal work is made here and in the EU and ship to Kocaeli Plant as are the other components, the Engines are mainly made in Dagingham and ship to Kocaeli another place to be closed down in the next few years.
As you see all the operations can be got round and made to work, just to save our economy from slumping even more.
[quote][p][bold]Redman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank[/p][/quote]Andy try thinking long term, if you use this money to attain the Ford plant, which the public own any way, they also own all the tools, the design you can buy the licence on from the designers, the market in EU is still there, people will by more Fords that are built in EU than they would out side of the EU, because they would be cheaper theres no Import duty to be paid, and the price would be even more cheaper to buy if it was a workers control Co-op (you would cut out the high wages and bonius of high managerment), and you would not get strikes. it would also save the suppiers jobs also. Doing this would also mean those people would still be spending in the same way in the local economy, there is only gains for all if done like this or some form like this. So who is the real plank, you are Andysaint007, for not having the fore sight nore the vision to look at alteranative ways on how to run things.[/p][/quote]Um.... nope, you are still a plank - but a plank full of sh*t[/p][/quote]So Ford sell the rights and the tooling to the current vehicle for Southampton to build a direct competitor to the new vehicle Ford hope will improve their financial performance. Oh and into their largest commercial vehicle market in Europe. Not withstanding the fact that Kocaeli (who are producing the new vehicle) currently ship Southampton metalwork for the current vehicle. Furthermore, I will go on... current component prices are based on agreed volumes. To reduce this volume to the UK only would push component prices way beyond financial viability. But nice try, 10/10 for effort...[/p][/quote]At lest your are thinking the ups and downs, But there this to think about, Fords do not have the out right ownership to the design, they paid for a licence to be able to build that model design, and there is no limits to the number of licences that design company can sale. The Tooling was paid for by the British Tax payers its the state that owns the Tools not Fords, Fords have been recieving money from our Governments since day one when they first produce cars here, to pay for the retooling for new models and the up keep of them, Fords recieved £50 million for the tools that produce the models that being built there now, The metal work is made here and in the EU and ship to Kocaeli Plant as are the other components, the Engines are mainly made in Dagingham and ship to Kocaeli another place to be closed down in the next few years. As you see all the operations can be got round and made to work, just to save our economy from slumping even more. southy
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7:34pm Thu 22 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

ohec wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
"MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund"

Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
I must say i most strongly object to you calling southy a plank, have you no respect for planks after all planks are very useful things where would scaffolders be without them.
I apologise to all planks in the world - but not the ones full of sh*t - cos they are no use to anyone - just like southy
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank[/p][/quote]I must say i most strongly object to you calling southy a plank, have you no respect for planks after all planks are very useful things where would scaffolders be without them.[/p][/quote]I apologise to all planks in the world - but not the ones full of sh*t - cos they are no use to anyone - just like southy andysaints007
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3:51am Fri 23 Nov 12

southy says...

andysaints007 wrote:
ohec wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
"MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund"

Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
I must say i most strongly object to you calling southy a plank, have you no respect for planks after all planks are very useful things where would scaffolders be without them.
I apologise to all planks in the world - but not the ones full of sh*t - cos they are no use to anyone - just like southy
The only planks are those are willing to just do nothing about it not even put ideas around the problem, you would just prefere to be walk all over.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank[/p][/quote]I must say i most strongly object to you calling southy a plank, have you no respect for planks after all planks are very useful things where would scaffolders be without them.[/p][/quote]I apologise to all planks in the world - but not the ones full of sh*t - cos they are no use to anyone - just like southy[/p][/quote]The only planks are those are willing to just do nothing about it not even put ideas around the problem, you would just prefere to be walk all over. southy
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10:39am Fri 23 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
ohec wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
southy wrote:
"MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund"

Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name
You really are a complete plank
I must say i most strongly object to you calling southy a plank, have you no respect for planks after all planks are very useful things where would scaffolders be without them.
I apologise to all planks in the world - but not the ones full of sh*t - cos they are no use to anyone - just like southy
The only planks are those are willing to just do nothing about it not even put ideas around the problem, you would just prefere to be walk all over.
You would be better off concentrating on workable and feasible solutions rather than some pie in the sky idealism.

Instead of banging on about something that is never, ever going to happen.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: "MULTI-MILLION pound business start-up fund" Why not use this money to buy up or keep the plant going and run it like a workers co-op, there is nothing there to stop them carrying on producing vans, just give them another name[/p][/quote]You really are a complete plank[/p][/quote]I must say i most strongly object to you calling southy a plank, have you no respect for planks after all planks are very useful things where would scaffolders be without them.[/p][/quote]I apologise to all planks in the world - but not the ones full of sh*t - cos they are no use to anyone - just like southy[/p][/quote]The only planks are those are willing to just do nothing about it not even put ideas around the problem, you would just prefere to be walk all over.[/p][/quote]You would be better off concentrating on workable and feasible solutions rather than some pie in the sky idealism. Instead of banging on about something that is never, ever going to happen. Shoong
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12:04pm Fri 23 Nov 12

hadenoughofyou says...

I've worked at fords for over 20 years,and always noticed the derogatory comments made about the employees everytime there is a pay deal, or other breaking news.......what do all of you think you are gaining by making up your own little conspiracy theories about the place???Slagging off the employees saying they are greedy???finding it funny employees have lost their jobs?? The plant closing will have a massive impact on the local area, in many different ways...the ford employee,the contract worker,suppliers,swa
ythling shops,the local newsagent, the list goes on. All of you bloggers who always seem to have time to slag us off are either loaded and dont have to work,or you have a job that doesn't seem to be filling your day, or you just don't go out and work and contribute your own taxes...GET A LIFE NOW, because soon you won't have 500 ford employees,and 500 contractors to worry/moan about. All that any of us have ever done is apply for a job, and show up for it every day. In my next job i promise i will refuse a pay rise if they offer me one, god i didn't realise how greedy i am trying to provide for my family!!!!!!!
PS thanks to all that i've worked with over the years, it's been good being part of the family.
I've worked at fords for over 20 years,and always noticed the derogatory comments made about the employees everytime there is a pay deal, or other breaking news.......what do all of you think you are gaining by making up your own little conspiracy theories about the place???Slagging off the employees saying they are greedy???finding it funny employees have lost their jobs?? The plant closing will have a massive impact on the local area, in many different ways...the ford employee,the contract worker,suppliers,swa ythling shops,the local newsagent, the list goes on. All of you bloggers who always seem to have time to slag us off are either loaded and dont have to work,or you have a job that doesn't seem to be filling your day, or you just don't go out and work and contribute your own taxes...GET A LIFE NOW, because soon you won't have 500 ford employees,and 500 contractors to worry/moan about. All that any of us have ever done is apply for a job, and show up for it every day. In my next job i promise i will refuse a pay rise if they offer me one, god i didn't realise how greedy i am trying to provide for my family!!!!!!! PS thanks to all that i've worked with over the years, it's been good being part of the family. hadenoughofyou
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5:12pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

A Temp worker can get a phone call from the Agency at any time and go to another Client as when needed .
A Temp worker can get a phone call from the Agency at any time and go to another Client as when needed . Fatty x Ford Worker
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