Historic mace-bearers set for the chop by Southampton City Council chiefs

Daily Echo: The former mayor Stephen Barnes-Andrews with the mace. The former mayor Stephen Barnes-Andrews with the mace.

SOUTHAMPTON’S finance chief is on collision course with the city’s mayor over plans to axe mace bearers as part of £20m budget cuts.

Labour's Cllr Simon Letts wants to save £40,000 by removing town sergeants from driving and ceremonial duties for the mayor’s office.

It would end hundreds of years of tradition. At civic ceremonies, council meetings and public events, the city’s mace-bearers have proudly led processions of dignitaries and councillors for five centuries.

As well as scrapping the mayor’s chauffeur, it is hoped the authority could raise up to £150,000 by selling off the TR1 private number plate that has been on the mayoral car for more than 80 years.

The move, which would end all ceremonial duties including mace-bearing functions carried out by town sergeants for the mayor and other civic functions like council meetings and the recent Remembrance Day service, has been met with outcry from those close to the role.

It comes shortly after Southampton mayor Cllr Derek Burke, also a Labour councillor, said he believed the roles performed by the town sergeants are “a vital part of this city’s functions”, and the city “would be the poorer” for losing them.

Writing in The Mace-Bearer magazine, he said: “In my discussions with mayors and chairs, across not only Hampshire but nationally, they all agree that one of the most important elements of the job is the mace and mace-bearers.

“I believe it is of vital importance that the things that make this such a great place to live and work are valued and retained, indeed reintroduced where they have been lost.”

Cllr Burke told the Daily Echo he would be “very disappointed” if the ceremonial duties disappeared and would be lobbying for the cuts to be avoided.

He said town sergeants did a “fabulous” job.

Cllr Burke also called for a rethink of the sale of the mayor’s number plate. “Speaking on a personal level, it would be foolish to sell it,” he said. “It sends out the wrong message.”

Susan Spencer, whose husband Alan is one of the town sergeants, said she believes axing their roles will lead to more than just tradition being lost.

She said: “They are advisors on protocol for both the incoming mayor and those who come into contact with the mayor throughout the year.

“Why would the premier city on the south coast wish to get rid of its mace-bearers, whilst other towns and cities are reintroducing them?”

Labour chiefs say are needed to balance the books in the face of a huge drop in Government grants. City finance boss Cllr Simon Letts said: “We have had to look at all opportunities to raise money in the current climate.

“Other councils have sold or are in the process of selling similar items and, with jobs threatened and services reducing, it seems to us the right decision. If a wealthy individual or group of individuals want to purchase the number plate as an investment and lease it back to the city for the mayor to use we would be happy to look at that option.”

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3:03pm Sat 24 Nov 12

southy says...

I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.
I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for. southy

3:03pm Sat 24 Nov 12

BerryMan says...

Cllr Burke also called for a rethink of the sale of the mayor’s number plate. “Speaking on a personal level, it would be foolish to sell it,” he said. “It sends out the wrong message.”

Whereas driving around in a brand new Mercedes with a £150,000 number plate while people are losing their jobs sends out the right message does it?
Politicians are on a different planet!
Cllr Burke also called for a rethink of the sale of the mayor’s number plate. “Speaking on a personal level, it would be foolish to sell it,” he said. “It sends out the wrong message.” Whereas driving around in a brand new Mercedes with a £150,000 number plate while people are losing their jobs sends out the right message does it? Politicians are on a different planet! BerryMan

3:04pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Lockssmart says...

I like turtles
I like turtles Lockssmart

3:17pm Sat 24 Nov 12

loosehead says...

This is an historical part of our city & it's part of our heritage for that reason I wouldn't want it to happen.
put this side by side with the Art collection & the Mace bearers are more part of our city than some of that art but Really I love History & I see it as a wrong move no matter what party wants to scrap them.
This is an historical part of our city & it's part of our heritage for that reason I wouldn't want it to happen. put this side by side with the Art collection & the Mace bearers are more part of our city than some of that art but Really I love History & I see it as a wrong move no matter what party wants to scrap them. loosehead

3:22pm Sat 24 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.
Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour.
If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now,
As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting.
UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing.
Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings,
What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.[/p][/quote]Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour. If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now, As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting. UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing. Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings, What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers? loosehead

3:33pm Sat 24 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

Writing in The Mace-Bearer magazine............
..........I bet thats a thrilling read.
Writing in The Mace-Bearer magazine............ ..........I bet thats a thrilling read. hulla baloo

3:38pm Sat 24 Nov 12

freefinker says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.
Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour.
If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now,
As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting.
UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing.
Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings,
What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers?
.. you don't really need to explain loosehead.

southy is just spouting one of his particularly more stupid fantasies - to him everyone to the right of Trotsky is an extreme right wing capitalist. So why he worries about people shifting between such parties is beyond me as they are all the same, apparently.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.[/p][/quote]Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour. If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now, As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting. UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing. Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings, What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers?[/p][/quote].. you don't really need to explain loosehead. southy is just spouting one of his particularly more stupid fantasies - to him everyone to the right of Trotsky is an extreme right wing capitalist. So why he worries about people shifting between such parties is beyond me as they are all the same, apparently. freefinker

3:40pm Sat 24 Nov 12

freefinker says...

.. perhaps Michael Heseltine would do the job for nothing.
.. perhaps Michael Heseltine would do the job for nothing. freefinker

3:58pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Linesman says...

BerryMan wrote:
Cllr Burke also called for a rethink of the sale of the mayor’s number plate. “Speaking on a personal level, it would be foolish to sell it,” he said. “It sends out the wrong message.”

Whereas driving around in a brand new Mercedes with a £150,000 number plate while people are losing their jobs sends out the right message does it?
Politicians are on a different planet!
When was the brand new Mercedes bought?
[quote][p][bold]BerryMan[/bold] wrote: Cllr Burke also called for a rethink of the sale of the mayor’s number plate. “Speaking on a personal level, it would be foolish to sell it,” he said. “It sends out the wrong message.” Whereas driving around in a brand new Mercedes with a £150,000 number plate while people are losing their jobs sends out the right message does it? Politicians are on a different planet![/p][/quote]When was the brand new Mercedes bought? Linesman

4:06pm Sat 24 Nov 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.
Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour.
If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now,
As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting.
UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing.
Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings,
What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers?
Ukip is far from being any where near being left wing, they are leaning more towards extreme right wing with there manifest that points the way to Nationalism.
A number of old Labour voters did sign up with Ukip or support them because of there EU pull out, its this bit that is the only left wing there is in Ukip, its been the Socialist who have been saying we do not need a thing such as the EU to be able to work with other countrys, but Ukip is a Far Right Wing Party, on the whole there stand is some where between Torys and BNP about the same level as the EDL. You should be quite happy to join Labour now days as they are just as Right Wing as the old Ted Heath days of Tory Government. Just another right wing party with no center ground.

What do I think of Scrapping the Mace bearers, as for the job it self not really needed, but in these days every single job is needed to be kept as there are no real jobs out there any more, and every single job lose will effect the local economy.
Unemployment is just about to soar out off control.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.[/p][/quote]Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour. If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now, As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting. UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing. Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings, What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers?[/p][/quote]Ukip is far from being any where near being left wing, they are leaning more towards extreme right wing with there manifest that points the way to Nationalism. A number of old Labour voters did sign up with Ukip or support them because of there EU pull out, its this bit that is the only left wing there is in Ukip, its been the Socialist who have been saying we do not need a thing such as the EU to be able to work with other countrys, but Ukip is a Far Right Wing Party, on the whole there stand is some where between Torys and BNP about the same level as the EDL. You should be quite happy to join Labour now days as they are just as Right Wing as the old Ted Heath days of Tory Government. Just another right wing party with no center ground. What do I think of Scrapping the Mace bearers, as for the job it self not really needed, but in these days every single job is needed to be kept as there are no real jobs out there any more, and every single job lose will effect the local economy. Unemployment is just about to soar out off control. southy

4:32pm Sat 24 Nov 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

maybe adopt a ceremonial witch doctor , this country is. now so third world .
maybe adopt a ceremonial witch doctor , this country is. now so third world . arthur dalyrimple

5:34pm Sat 24 Nov 12

loosehead says...

freefinker wrote:
.. perhaps Michael Heseltine would do the job for nothing.
good one!
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. perhaps Michael Heseltine would do the job for nothing.[/p][/quote]good one! loosehead

6:09pm Sat 24 Nov 12

huckit P says...

Instead of selling the number (which didn't cost £150,000) SCC could actually keep it for no cost. No jobs would be lost and it wouldn't take valuable funds away from vital services.
As for the Mace Bearer - who apparently also fulfills other functions including chauffeur - how much would it cost to pay other personnel to do those functions? £40,000 per year seems a lot but how many salaries does that pay, because one comment indicated there is more than one sergeant.
Instead of selling the number (which didn't cost £150,000) SCC could actually keep it for no cost. No jobs would be lost and it wouldn't take valuable funds away from vital services. As for the Mace Bearer - who apparently also fulfills other functions including chauffeur - how much would it cost to pay other personnel to do those functions? £40,000 per year seems a lot but how many salaries does that pay, because one comment indicated there is more than one sergeant. huckit P

6:35pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Brock_and_Roll says...

Seriously does anyone know how I can get a subscription to "The Mace Bearer" magazine?

In an seriousness, a lot of these apparently medieval traditions are nothing more than late victorian and early 20th century inventions.

There is no historical justification for them if the money come from the taxpayer - I would rather the cash, for instance, to go to the archeology unit (which has been cut).
Seriously does anyone know how I can get a subscription to "The Mace Bearer" magazine? In an seriousness, a lot of these apparently medieval traditions are nothing more than late victorian and early 20th century inventions. There is no historical justification for them if the money come from the taxpayer - I would rather the cash, for instance, to go to the archeology unit (which has been cut). Brock_and_Roll

7:40pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.
Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour.
If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now,
As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting.
UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing.
Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings,
What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers?
Ukip is far from being any where near being left wing, they are leaning more towards extreme right wing with there manifest that points the way to Nationalism.
A number of old Labour voters did sign up with Ukip or support them because of there EU pull out, its this bit that is the only left wing there is in Ukip, its been the Socialist who have been saying we do not need a thing such as the EU to be able to work with other countrys, but Ukip is a Far Right Wing Party, on the whole there stand is some where between Torys and BNP about the same level as the EDL. You should be quite happy to join Labour now days as they are just as Right Wing as the old Ted Heath days of Tory Government. Just another right wing party with no center ground.

What do I think of Scrapping the Mace bearers, as for the job it self not really needed, but in these days every single job is needed to be kept as there are no real jobs out there any more, and every single job lose will effect the local economy.
Unemployment is just about to soar out off control.
Peter, what you know about the UKIP party, as demonstrated above, you could probably fit on the back of a postage stamp.

It's easy to make stuff up about minority parties though I suppose as no-one is really bothered about what they represent.

I can see what would happen if a Socialist Party couple where to adopt a child - it would become a lazy scrounger.

And we have enough of those already, don't we?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.[/p][/quote]Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour. If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now, As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting. UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing. Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings, What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers?[/p][/quote]Ukip is far from being any where near being left wing, they are leaning more towards extreme right wing with there manifest that points the way to Nationalism. A number of old Labour voters did sign up with Ukip or support them because of there EU pull out, its this bit that is the only left wing there is in Ukip, its been the Socialist who have been saying we do not need a thing such as the EU to be able to work with other countrys, but Ukip is a Far Right Wing Party, on the whole there stand is some where between Torys and BNP about the same level as the EDL. You should be quite happy to join Labour now days as they are just as Right Wing as the old Ted Heath days of Tory Government. Just another right wing party with no center ground. What do I think of Scrapping the Mace bearers, as for the job it self not really needed, but in these days every single job is needed to be kept as there are no real jobs out there any more, and every single job lose will effect the local economy. Unemployment is just about to soar out off control.[/p][/quote]Peter, what you know about the UKIP party, as demonstrated above, you could probably fit on the back of a postage stamp. It's easy to make stuff up about minority parties though I suppose as no-one is really bothered about what they represent. I can see what would happen if a Socialist Party couple where to adopt a child - it would become a lazy scrounger. And we have enough of those already, don't we? Shoong

8:15pm Sat 24 Nov 12

geoff51 says...

Labour selling the City down the river again!
Dont these idiots have any sense of civic pride?
Keep the Mace bearer, keep TR1, get shot of the overpaid shop stewards from the Unions on the civic payroll, rescind the return to higher pay the Tories offered and maybe then we can balance the books and still have a city to be proud of.
Labour selling the City down the river again! Dont these idiots have any sense of civic pride? Keep the Mace bearer, keep TR1, get shot of the overpaid shop stewards from the Unions on the civic payroll, rescind the return to higher pay the Tories offered and maybe then we can balance the books and still have a city to be proud of. geoff51

8:57pm Sat 24 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Seriously does anyone know how I can get a subscription to "The Mace Bearer" magazine?

In an seriousness, a lot of these apparently medieval traditions are nothing more than late victorian and early 20th century inventions.

There is no historical justification for them if the money come from the taxpayer - I would rather the cash, for instance, to go to the archeology unit (which has been cut).
If the articles correct & it's hundreds of years this would be before Queen Victoria's reign wouldn't it?
Surely this city's history should be used to bring tourists & visitors to the city & increase jobs?
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: Seriously does anyone know how I can get a subscription to "The Mace Bearer" magazine? In an seriousness, a lot of these apparently medieval traditions are nothing more than late victorian and early 20th century inventions. There is no historical justification for them if the money come from the taxpayer - I would rather the cash, for instance, to go to the archeology unit (which has been cut).[/p][/quote]If the articles correct & it's hundreds of years this would be before Queen Victoria's reign wouldn't it? Surely this city's history should be used to bring tourists & visitors to the city & increase jobs? loosehead

9:12pm Sat 24 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.
Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour.
If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now,
As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting.
UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing.
Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings,
What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers?
Ukip is far from being any where near being left wing, they are leaning more towards extreme right wing with there manifest that points the way to Nationalism.
A number of old Labour voters did sign up with Ukip or support them because of there EU pull out, its this bit that is the only left wing there is in Ukip, its been the Socialist who have been saying we do not need a thing such as the EU to be able to work with other countrys, but Ukip is a Far Right Wing Party, on the whole there stand is some where between Torys and BNP about the same level as the EDL. You should be quite happy to join Labour now days as they are just as Right Wing as the old Ted Heath days of Tory Government. Just another right wing party with no center ground.

What do I think of Scrapping the Mace bearers, as for the job it self not really needed, but in these days every single job is needed to be kept as there are no real jobs out there any more, and every single job lose will effect the local economy.
Unemployment is just about to soar out off control.
southy sorry mate but your very wrong about this.
before George Young( think that names right) Labour had a policy on a referendum to pull out of the EU.
At that time Tony Blair was in favour of pulling out it was Young who changed that policy & lost my vote as that was the only reason I voted for Labour as I disagreed with all their policies but that one.
So does that put old Labour the party you so liked in between BNP & the Tory Party on a par with the EDL?
So once again the usual left wing c++p comes out.
being patriotic & wanting to rule yourself (our selfs ) doesn't make you extreme right or extreme left,
France has two parties anti EU communist & far right in Le Havre there were riots & buildings burnt down that held black foreigners & the mob was lead by the Communist Mayor.
Greeces left wing/communist party wants out of the EU so come on get it right
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.[/p][/quote]Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour. If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now, As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting. UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing. Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings, What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers?[/p][/quote]Ukip is far from being any where near being left wing, they are leaning more towards extreme right wing with there manifest that points the way to Nationalism. A number of old Labour voters did sign up with Ukip or support them because of there EU pull out, its this bit that is the only left wing there is in Ukip, its been the Socialist who have been saying we do not need a thing such as the EU to be able to work with other countrys, but Ukip is a Far Right Wing Party, on the whole there stand is some where between Torys and BNP about the same level as the EDL. You should be quite happy to join Labour now days as they are just as Right Wing as the old Ted Heath days of Tory Government. Just another right wing party with no center ground. What do I think of Scrapping the Mace bearers, as for the job it self not really needed, but in these days every single job is needed to be kept as there are no real jobs out there any more, and every single job lose will effect the local economy. Unemployment is just about to soar out off control.[/p][/quote]southy sorry mate but your very wrong about this. before George Young( think that names right) Labour had a policy on a referendum to pull out of the EU. At that time Tony Blair was in favour of pulling out it was Young who changed that policy & lost my vote as that was the only reason I voted for Labour as I disagreed with all their policies but that one. So does that put old Labour the party you so liked in between BNP & the Tory Party on a par with the EDL? So once again the usual left wing c++p comes out. being patriotic & wanting to rule yourself (our selfs ) doesn't make you extreme right or extreme left, France has two parties anti EU communist & far right in Le Havre there were riots & buildings burnt down that held black foreigners & the mob was lead by the Communist Mayor. Greeces left wing/communist party wants out of the EU so come on get it right loosehead

10:37pm Sat 24 Nov 12

forest hump says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Seriously does anyone know how I can get a subscription to "The Mace Bearer" magazine?

In an seriousness, a lot of these apparently medieval traditions are nothing more than late victorian and early 20th century inventions.

There is no historical justification for them if the money come from the taxpayer - I would rather the cash, for instance, to go to the archeology unit (which has been cut).
You'll find the Mace Bearer Magazine on the same shelf as "The Beefeater's Guide to Raising Ravens" in any good newsagent
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: Seriously does anyone know how I can get a subscription to "The Mace Bearer" magazine? In an seriousness, a lot of these apparently medieval traditions are nothing more than late victorian and early 20th century inventions. There is no historical justification for them if the money come from the taxpayer - I would rather the cash, for instance, to go to the archeology unit (which has been cut).[/p][/quote]You'll find the Mace Bearer Magazine on the same shelf as "The Beefeater's Guide to Raising Ravens" in any good newsagent forest hump

12:01pm Sun 25 Nov 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.
Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour.
If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now,
As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting.
UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing.
Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings,
What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers?
Ukip is far from being any where near being left wing, they are leaning more towards extreme right wing with there manifest that points the way to Nationalism.
A number of old Labour voters did sign up with Ukip or support them because of there EU pull out, its this bit that is the only left wing there is in Ukip, its been the Socialist who have been saying we do not need a thing such as the EU to be able to work with other countrys, but Ukip is a Far Right Wing Party, on the whole there stand is some where between Torys and BNP about the same level as the EDL. You should be quite happy to join Labour now days as they are just as Right Wing as the old Ted Heath days of Tory Government. Just another right wing party with no center ground.

What do I think of Scrapping the Mace bearers, as for the job it self not really needed, but in these days every single job is needed to be kept as there are no real jobs out there any more, and every single job lose will effect the local economy.
Unemployment is just about to soar out off control.
southy sorry mate but your very wrong about this.
before George Young( think that names right) Labour had a policy on a referendum to pull out of the EU.
At that time Tony Blair was in favour of pulling out it was Young who changed that policy & lost my vote as that was the only reason I voted for Labour as I disagreed with all their policies but that one.
So does that put old Labour the party you so liked in between BNP & the Tory Party on a par with the EDL?
So once again the usual left wing c++p comes out.
being patriotic & wanting to rule yourself (our selfs ) doesn't make you extreme right or extreme left,
France has two parties anti EU communist & far right in Le Havre there were riots & buildings burnt down that held black foreigners & the mob was lead by the Communist Mayor.
Greeces left wing/communist party wants out of the EU so come on get it right
No Loose its Ukip immigration and industary policy's that puts Ukip between the Torys and BNP, Ukip boarders on being a Nationalist party. The old Labour party ran the center ground till Kinnock came along and moved the party to the same right wing ground as Ted Heath, Thacter took the Torys more to the right, Pulling out of the EU for Right Wing Groups is just a platform to bring in Nationalism, Where as with Left Wing Groups, pulling out of the EU is because the Left do not need a union of countrys to be able to work with them.
You see now how the differences are on the reasons why such policys are used, and its not just of a case of seeing a policy and thinking thats what we need, its also about understanding the reason behind why they have such policys, Like the BNP has a policy to pull out of the EU, but I would not vote for them just because what I want or we need, its the reason why such policy is why I would not vote for them.
Also with the Left it would mean having a vote on the EU, and not just a case of you voted us into power we will now leave the EU like BNP and Ukip will do.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: I am more concern about Labour recruitmen drive thats been taking place lately they are doing what Thatcher done in the 1980's, When she said the Troys had beating the old National Front what she did not tell you the way they beat them and that was to recruit them into the Torys ranks, Now Labour as been recruiting UKIP members to there ranks, have Labour moved this far right wing that they have forgotten what they really stand for.[/p][/quote]Southy mate your a bit late on that as Inform Al one day is UKIP the next Labour. If you've heard the news today I can't see UKIP supporters wanting to join Labour now, As a Tory I'm very much pulled towards UKIP on their Anti EU stance but if I ever joined them & then had enough I couldn't join Labour so I can't see ex Tories joining Labour so it would only be ex Labour UKIP members who Labour are attracting. UKIP right wing? have you heard Faragh's speeches? besides the EU part of their manifesto they are very left wing. Southy please look into exactly what UKIP are joining Labour & then post your findings, What do you think of Scrapping the Mace bearers?[/p][/quote]Ukip is far from being any where near being left wing, they are leaning more towards extreme right wing with there manifest that points the way to Nationalism. A number of old Labour voters did sign up with Ukip or support them because of there EU pull out, its this bit that is the only left wing there is in Ukip, its been the Socialist who have been saying we do not need a thing such as the EU to be able to work with other countrys, but Ukip is a Far Right Wing Party, on the whole there stand is some where between Torys and BNP about the same level as the EDL. You should be quite happy to join Labour now days as they are just as Right Wing as the old Ted Heath days of Tory Government. Just another right wing party with no center ground. What do I think of Scrapping the Mace bearers, as for the job it self not really needed, but in these days every single job is needed to be kept as there are no real jobs out there any more, and every single job lose will effect the local economy. Unemployment is just about to soar out off control.[/p][/quote]southy sorry mate but your very wrong about this. before George Young( think that names right) Labour had a policy on a referendum to pull out of the EU. At that time Tony Blair was in favour of pulling out it was Young who changed that policy & lost my vote as that was the only reason I voted for Labour as I disagreed with all their policies but that one. So does that put old Labour the party you so liked in between BNP & the Tory Party on a par with the EDL? So once again the usual left wing c++p comes out. being patriotic & wanting to rule yourself (our selfs ) doesn't make you extreme right or extreme left, France has two parties anti EU communist & far right in Le Havre there were riots & buildings burnt down that held black foreigners & the mob was lead by the Communist Mayor. Greeces left wing/communist party wants out of the EU so come on get it right[/p][/quote]No Loose its Ukip immigration and industary policy's that puts Ukip between the Torys and BNP, Ukip boarders on being a Nationalist party. The old Labour party ran the center ground till Kinnock came along and moved the party to the same right wing ground as Ted Heath, Thacter took the Torys more to the right, Pulling out of the EU for Right Wing Groups is just a platform to bring in Nationalism, Where as with Left Wing Groups, pulling out of the EU is because the Left do not need a union of countrys to be able to work with them. You see now how the differences are on the reasons why such policys are used, and its not just of a case of seeing a policy and thinking thats what we need, its also about understanding the reason behind why they have such policys, Like the BNP has a policy to pull out of the EU, but I would not vote for them just because what I want or we need, its the reason why such policy is why I would not vote for them. Also with the Left it would mean having a vote on the EU, and not just a case of you voted us into power we will now leave the EU like BNP and Ukip will do. southy

12:48pm Sun 25 Nov 12

southy says...

Loose Its a case how 1 policy leads onto another and then onto a the next, and thats what the party manifest is all about it ties in the policys.
And its this part is how you tell what a party really stands for. party manifest can change a little or very over the years but the core remains the same.
Labour is totally restucturing the core base of the manifest and are moving the party more to the right, and no longer stands for what they was set up to do in the first place, and that was to represent the common person the masses, but yet they still want Union money but are not willing to represent them any more, some unions have all ready learned this and have with drawing there support and switching to the TUSC with out giving any funds to the TUSC, while some of the rank and file of other unions the individual have switch support to the TUSC
Loose Its a case how 1 policy leads onto another and then onto a the next, and thats what the party manifest is all about it ties in the policys. And its this part is how you tell what a party really stands for. party manifest can change a little or very over the years but the core remains the same. Labour is totally restucturing the core base of the manifest and are moving the party more to the right, and no longer stands for what they was set up to do in the first place, and that was to represent the common person the masses, but yet they still want Union money but are not willing to represent them any more, some unions have all ready learned this and have with drawing there support and switching to the TUSC with out giving any funds to the TUSC, while some of the rank and file of other unions the individual have switch support to the TUSC southy

5:31pm Sun 25 Nov 12

margie933 says...

Call me sentimental but I think it is wrong to sell off part of our history. We in Southampton should be proud it. Why not try saving cash by cutting some of your top peoples over the top wages!!
Call me sentimental but I think it is wrong to sell off part of our history. We in Southampton should be proud it. Why not try saving cash by cutting some of your top peoples over the top wages!! margie933

6:16pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Once again Southampton Mayor Cllr. Derek Burke has shown his true colours, appetite for feeding own ego at public's expense.

The dock worker obviously loves free junkets, rides in important looking chauffeur driven Merc with flag flying on the bonnet and other trappings of the office including dressing like a clown so much that he is even willing to be ultra rude about old Labour's latest deserters to NuLabourism like Simon Letts and few others by publically describing their ideas which may have full support of NuLabour Councillors and even their Conservatised party as "FOOLISH".....

Wow wow wow... that is more than huge insult, and kick on the teeth of those who were stupid enough to make this obviously ungrateful man Mayor twice.

I won't be surprised if the party which victimised many socialists for somethings much less than calling party decisions foolish, under Dear Leader and his Deputy has not got the guts to put Burke in his place for turning out to be a complete burke!!!

Knowing Derek Burke, his reactionary values and lack of commitment to jobs ad services for people who elected him is hardly surprising. As far as I am aware he did not Publically fully support last year's industrial action of union members but has the cheek to call himself trade unionists.

He could not support Councillors Thomas and Morrell who got expelled from his Party because they opposed cuts in services and destruction of union members jobs, but has suddenly found voice to defend what in mine and few other people's opinion has always been unnecessary and waste of resources.

Probably that is why his name is BURKE
Once again Southampton Mayor Cllr. Derek Burke has shown his true colours, appetite for feeding own ego at public's expense. The dock worker obviously loves free junkets, rides in important looking chauffeur driven Merc with flag flying on the bonnet and other trappings of the office including dressing like a clown so much that he is even willing to be ultra rude about old Labour's latest deserters to NuLabourism like Simon Letts and few others by publically describing their ideas which may have full support of NuLabour Councillors and even their Conservatised party as "FOOLISH"..... Wow wow wow... that is more than huge insult, and kick on the teeth of those who were stupid enough to make this obviously ungrateful man Mayor twice. I won't be surprised if the party which victimised many socialists for somethings much less than calling party decisions foolish, under Dear Leader and his Deputy has not got the guts to put Burke in his place for turning out to be a complete burke!!! Knowing Derek Burke, his reactionary values and lack of commitment to jobs ad services for people who elected him is hardly surprising. As far as I am aware he did not Publically fully support last year's industrial action of union members but has the cheek to call himself trade unionists. He could not support Councillors Thomas and Morrell who got expelled from his Party because they opposed cuts in services and destruction of union members jobs, but has suddenly found voice to defend what in mine and few other people's opinion has always been unnecessary and waste of resources. Probably that is why his name is BURKE Paramjit Bahia

7:01pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Red1918 says...

Spot on Parmi. Burke by name and Burk by nature. He is so full of himself, and desperate to be the mayor every year cuts to childrens services, the youth service, etc etc pale into insignificance when compared to the baubles of this daft office. The sooner the Labour Party is purged of self serving egotists such as him and replaced with people who genuinely understand the priorities of ordinary working people in the face of the unrelenting attacks on public services under this Government the better.
Spot on Parmi. Burke by name and Burk by nature. He is so full of himself, and desperate to be the mayor every year cuts to childrens services, the youth service, etc etc pale into insignificance when compared to the baubles of this daft office. The sooner the Labour Party is purged of self serving egotists such as him and replaced with people who genuinely understand the priorities of ordinary working people in the face of the unrelenting attacks on public services under this Government the better. Red1918

8:29pm Sun 25 Nov 12

george h says...

"Premier city on the south coast".

Give over!

In truth, by any measure of economic performance, Southampton is a poor city. The average wage/salary in Southampton is £22,267, - 7% less than the national average, and 15% less than the average for the south east.

Choose any measure of economic performance you care to, - the figures turn out pretty much the same.

Premier city my a**e.
"Premier city on the south coast". Give over! In truth, by any measure of economic performance, Southampton is a poor city. The average wage/salary in Southampton is £22,267, - 7% less than the national average, and 15% less than the average for the south east. Choose any measure of economic performance you care to, - the figures turn out pretty much the same. Premier city my a**e. george h

8:43pm Sun 25 Nov 12

kingnotail says...

george h wrote:
"Premier city on the south coast".

Give over!

In truth, by any measure of economic performance, Southampton is a poor city. The average wage/salary in Southampton is £22,267, - 7% less than the national average, and 15% less than the average for the south east.

Choose any measure of economic performance you care to, - the figures turn out pretty much the same.

Premier city my a**e.
Has to be one of the worst places to live right now - high cost of living/house prices coupled with average wages which would make the north east of England blush!
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: "Premier city on the south coast". Give over! In truth, by any measure of economic performance, Southampton is a poor city. The average wage/salary in Southampton is £22,267, - 7% less than the national average, and 15% less than the average for the south east. Choose any measure of economic performance you care to, - the figures turn out pretty much the same. Premier city my a**e.[/p][/quote]Has to be one of the worst places to live right now - high cost of living/house prices coupled with average wages which would make the north east of England blush! kingnotail

9:24pm Sun 25 Nov 12

loosehead says...

kingnotail wrote:
george h wrote:
"Premier city on the south coast".

Give over!

In truth, by any measure of economic performance, Southampton is a poor city. The average wage/salary in Southampton is £22,267, - 7% less than the national average, and 15% less than the average for the south east.

Choose any measure of economic performance you care to, - the figures turn out pretty much the same.

Premier city my a**e.
Has to be one of the worst places to live right now - high cost of living/house prices coupled with average wages which would make the north east of England blush!
We had people going to relocate here( manager) from London we also had people from darlington come down here to work & see if they wanted to work for us.
lucky they didn't as we shut down a year later.
But the London guy thought he'd buy a mansion after selling up in London & was very shocked at exactly what he could buy.
Darlington people were shocked at how dear everything was down here.
But both these places have mace bearers & wouldn't dream of giving them up
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: "Premier city on the south coast". Give over! In truth, by any measure of economic performance, Southampton is a poor city. The average wage/salary in Southampton is £22,267, - 7% less than the national average, and 15% less than the average for the south east. Choose any measure of economic performance you care to, - the figures turn out pretty much the same. Premier city my a**e.[/p][/quote]Has to be one of the worst places to live right now - high cost of living/house prices coupled with average wages which would make the north east of England blush![/p][/quote]We had people going to relocate here( manager) from London we also had people from darlington come down here to work & see if they wanted to work for us. lucky they didn't as we shut down a year later. But the London guy thought he'd buy a mansion after selling up in London & was very shocked at exactly what he could buy. Darlington people were shocked at how dear everything was down here. But both these places have mace bearers & wouldn't dream of giving them up loosehead

12:42pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

The sooner we do away with pretence and idiotic tradition, the better.

Maybe if we collectively stop caring about pretence everyone will be better off.

As to the argument about history. Put the mace into the museum so we can all come and see.
The sooner we do away with pretence and idiotic tradition, the better. Maybe if we collectively stop caring about pretence everyone will be better off. As to the argument about history. Put the mace into the museum so we can all come and see. Subject48

2:44pm Mon 26 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Subject48 wrote:
The sooner we do away with pretence and idiotic tradition, the better.

Maybe if we collectively stop caring about pretence everyone will be better off.

As to the argument about history. Put the mace into the museum so we can all come and see.
So we're trying to attract visitors & tourists to this city & you say we should just do away with our history?
I wonder how London would respond if they were going to scrap changing of the guard,horse guard parade,London Mayors Parade ?
All big money earners for London & big employers through the tourism it brings in.
We should be pushing our history our historic buildings more than we are to help bring much needed jobs to this city.
The problem with this city is under to many councils have discarded our city's history I remember being able to get up to the parapets of the Bargate is it safe to do it now?
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: The sooner we do away with pretence and idiotic tradition, the better. Maybe if we collectively stop caring about pretence everyone will be better off. As to the argument about history. Put the mace into the museum so we can all come and see.[/p][/quote]So we're trying to attract visitors & tourists to this city & you say we should just do away with our history? I wonder how London would respond if they were going to scrap changing of the guard,horse guard parade,London Mayors Parade ? All big money earners for London & big employers through the tourism it brings in. We should be pushing our history our historic buildings more than we are to help bring much needed jobs to this city. The problem with this city is under to many councils have discarded our city's history I remember being able to get up to the parapets of the Bargate is it safe to do it now? loosehead

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