Flood risk on two rivers as non-stop rain batters Hampshire (From Daily Echo)

So the global warming nonsense should be renamed "Global Watering".

huckit P wrote:
So the global warming nonsense should be renamed "Global Watering".

Sometime around 1996 the Echo printed a letter in which I said that all the extra sunshine will heat the sea in the time honoured fashion and dump even more of it on the UK than before. Seems that just for once I was right.

Inform Al wrote:

huckit P wrote:
So the global warming nonsense should be renamed "Global Watering".

Sometime around 1996 the Echo printed a letter in which I said that all the extra sunshine will heat the sea in the time honoured fashion and dump even more of it on the UK than before. Seems that just for once I was right.

Wrong, same amount of radiated heat from the sun in the form of infrared and microwaves but more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere to trap the heat produced by those waves of energy hitting the earth so the earth is in effect, just like a giant hot water tank but instead of water, it's air and the more energy that reaches us, the hotter we get due to the residual energy that is reflected back being bounced back to the earth again by the atmosphere but yes, it is evaporating more sea water to be dumped on us.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

huckit P wrote:
So the global warming nonsense should be renamed "Global Watering".

Sometime around 1996 the Echo printed a letter in which I said that all the extra sunshine will heat the sea in the time honoured fashion and dump even more of it on the UK than before. Seems that just for once I was right.

Wrong, same amount of radiated heat from the sun in the form of infrared and microwaves but more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere to trap the heat produced by those waves of energy hitting the earth so the earth is in effect, just like a giant hot water tank but instead of water, it's air and the more energy that reaches us, the hotter we get due to the residual energy that is reflected back being bounced back to the earth again by the atmosphere but yes, it is evaporating more sea water to be dumped on us.

The point I made at the time was that all the extra heat will result in more rain being dumped on us, this was to counter reports that the UK may become desert like. I don't subscribe to the man made global warming theory but more to the reality that from time to time the Earth manages to move its hot spots, and cold spots, around without any help from us.

Inform Al wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

huckit P wrote:
So the global warming nonsense should be renamed "Global Watering".

Sometime around 1996 the Echo printed a letter in which I said that all the extra sunshine will heat the sea in the time honoured fashion and dump even more of it on the UK than before. Seems that just for once I was right.

Wrong, same amount of radiated heat from the sun in the form of infrared and microwaves but more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere to trap the heat produced by those waves of energy hitting the earth so the earth is in effect, just like a giant hot water tank but instead of water, it's air and the more energy that reaches us, the hotter we get due to the residual energy that is reflected back being bounced back to the earth again by the atmosphere but yes, it is evaporating more sea water to be dumped on us.

The point I made at the time was that all the extra heat will result in more rain being dumped on us, this was to counter reports that the UK may become desert like. I don't subscribe to the man made global warming theory but more to the reality that from time to time the Earth manages to move its hot spots, and cold spots, around without any help from us.

.. not very well informed, yet again Al.

The science overwhelming does NOT support your opinion.

It's the Earth's wobble causing all his rain.

Inform Al wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

huckit P wrote:
So the global warming nonsense should be renamed "Global Watering".

Sometime around 1996 the Echo printed a letter in which I said that all the extra sunshine will heat the sea in the time honoured fashion and dump even more of it on the UK than before. Seems that just for once I was right.

Wrong, same amount of radiated heat from the sun in the form of infrared and microwaves but more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere to trap the heat produced by those waves of energy hitting the earth so the earth is in effect, just like a giant hot water tank but instead of water, it's air and the more energy that reaches us, the hotter we get due to the residual energy that is reflected back being bounced back to the earth again by the atmosphere but yes, it is evaporating more sea water to be dumped on us.

The point I made at the time was that all the extra heat will result in more rain being dumped on us, this was to counter reports that the UK may become desert like. I don't subscribe to the man made global warming theory but more to the reality that from time to time the Earth manages to move its hot spots, and cold spots, around without any help from us.

Technically it is correct that the earth does that cycle but due to increased greenhouse gas emissions starting in the industrial revolution, we as a species have caused that cycle to stall, scientists found we should have been deep in an ice age already but due to us, it never happened, so yes, the climate change we have today IS man-made.

either that or it is just raining a bit, you know like it often has in the past and I am willing to bet it will do in the future.

SotonGreen wrote:
either that or it is just raining a bit, you know like it often has in the past and I am willing to bet it will do in the future.

Steady on old chap.
That's a very brave prediction.

I, for one, never ever make predictions.
And never will.!!

Inform Al wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

huckit P wrote: So the global warming nonsense should be renamed "Global Watering".

Sometime around 1996 the Echo printed a letter in which I said that all the extra sunshine will heat the sea in the time honoured fashion and dump even more of it on the UK than before. Seems that just for once I was right.

Wrong, same amount of radiated heat from the sun in the form of infrared and microwaves but more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere to trap the heat produced by those waves of energy hitting the earth so the earth is in effect, just like a giant hot water tank but instead of water, it's air and the more energy that reaches us, the hotter we get due to the residual energy that is reflected back being bounced back to the earth again by the atmosphere but yes, it is evaporating more sea water to be dumped on us.

The point I made at the time was that all the extra heat will result in more rain being dumped on us, this was to counter reports that the UK may become desert like. I don't subscribe to the man made global warming theory but more to the reality that from time to time the Earth manages to move its hot spots, and cold spots, around without any help from us.

When all that fresh water ice on Greenland finally melts and diverts the heat-pump we call the Gulf Stream, all this rain will be snow and we will be plunged into a mini ice-age in northern europe. Only question is when.

sass wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

huckit P wrote: So the global warming nonsense should be renamed "Global Watering".

Sometime around 1996 the Echo printed a letter in which I said that all the extra sunshine will heat the sea in the time honoured fashion and dump even more of it on the UK than before. Seems that just for once I was right.

Wrong, same amount of radiated heat from the sun in the form of infrared and microwaves but more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere to trap the heat produced by those waves of energy hitting the earth so the earth is in effect, just like a giant hot water tank but instead of water, it's air and the more energy that reaches us, the hotter we get due to the residual energy that is reflected back being bounced back to the earth again by the atmosphere but yes, it is evaporating more sea water to be dumped on us.

The point I made at the time was that all the extra heat will result in more rain being dumped on us, this was to counter reports that the UK may become desert like. I don't subscribe to the man made global warming theory but more to the reality that from time to time the Earth manages to move its hot spots, and cold spots, around without any help from us.

When all that fresh water ice on Greenland finally melts and diverts the heat-pump we call the Gulf Stream, all this rain will be snow and we will be plunged into a mini ice-age in northern europe. Only question is when.

I better prep some snow and ice tires for my bike because it probably won't be long, it's already happened a couple of times but on a much smaller scale and it was due to the polar vortex shifting further south than normal and not fresh water shifting the gulf stream but eventually, sooner or later, preferably later, those glaciers will melt completely and the gulf stream will either divert, shrink in length or stop completely.

Man affecting the climate is nothing
new. Deforestation started 10,000 years ago. Europe used to be virtually covered in trees. Scientists will provide evidence to prove anything. Nobody wants to pay scientists who go against the popular political view so they all agree with each other.

Man affecting the climate is nothing
new. Deforestation started 10,000 years ago. Europe used to be virtually covered in trees. Scientists will provide evidence to prove anything. Nobody wants to pay scientists who go against the popular political view so they all agree with each other.

VictorMeldrew wrote:
Man affecting the climate is nothing
new. Deforestation started 10,000 years ago. Europe used to be virtually covered in trees. Scientists will provide evidence to prove anything. Nobody wants to pay scientists who go against the popular political view so they all agree with each other.

.. actually science is EVIDENCE based not opinion based, herd based, political based, etc. That's why something like 98% of scientists with the expertise in their relevant fields support the IPCC's EVIDENCE based reports.

It is science-deniers, conspiracy theorists and the scientifically illiterate who refuse to accept the overwhelming evidence that our species has changed the chemical composition of our fragile atmosphere with all the climatic implications that flow from this.

Alas, politicians are so myopic and with such short term agendas that they bury heads in the sand and refuse to take the necessary actions to stabilise our climate.

freefinker wrote:

VictorMeldrew wrote:
Man affecting the climate is nothing
new. Deforestation started 10,000 years ago. Europe used to be virtually covered in trees. Scientists will provide evidence to prove anything. Nobody wants to pay scientists who go against the popular political view so they all agree with each other.

.. actually science is EVIDENCE based not opinion based, herd based, political based, etc. That's why something like 98% of scientists with the expertise in their relevant fields support the IPCC's EVIDENCE based reports.

It is science-deniers, conspiracy theorists and the scientifically illiterate who refuse to accept the overwhelming evidence that our species has changed the chemical composition of our fragile atmosphere with all the climatic implications that flow from this.

Alas, politicians are so myopic and with such short term agendas that they bury heads in the sand and refuse to take the necessary actions to stabilise our climate.

Thankfully the majority of the population fully support green initiatives to reduce the demand for fossil fuel usage....... as long as it's in someone elses back yard.

Torchie1 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

VictorMeldrew wrote:
Man affecting the climate is nothing
new. Deforestation started 10,000 years ago. Europe used to be virtually covered in trees. Scientists will provide evidence to prove anything. Nobody wants to pay scientists who go against the popular political view so they all agree with each other.

.. actually science is EVIDENCE based not opinion based, herd based, political based, etc. That's why something like 98% of scientists with the expertise in their relevant fields support the IPCC's EVIDENCE based reports.

It is science-deniers, conspiracy theorists and the scientifically illiterate who refuse to accept the overwhelming evidence that our species has changed the chemical composition of our fragile atmosphere with all the climatic implications that flow from this.

Alas, politicians are so myopic and with such short term agendas that they bury heads in the sand and refuse to take the necessary actions to stabilise our climate.

Thankfully the majority of the population fully support green initiatives to reduce the demand for fossil fuel usage....... as long as it's in someone elses back yard.

Although I do not subscribe to man being responsible for the various ups and downs of the worlds climate, I do support sensible and non obtrusive methods of creating energy. I therefore fully support legislation making it obligatory for ALL new buildings to have solar roffs, windows etc. I do not wish to see the skyline ruined by ugly wind turbines.

Inform Al wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

freefinker wrote:

VictorMeldrew wrote:
Man affecting the climate is nothing
new. Deforestation started 10,000 years ago. Europe used to be virtually covered in trees. Scientists will provide evidence to prove anything. Nobody wants to pay scientists who go against the popular political view so they all agree with each other.

.. actually science is EVIDENCE based not opinion based, herd based, political based, etc. That's why something like 98% of scientists with the expertise in their relevant fields support the IPCC's EVIDENCE based reports.

It is science-deniers, conspiracy theorists and the scientifically illiterate who refuse to accept the overwhelming evidence that our species has changed the chemical composition of our fragile atmosphere with all the climatic implications that flow from this.

Alas, politicians are so myopic and with such short term agendas that they bury heads in the sand and refuse to take the necessary actions to stabilise our climate.

Thankfully the majority of the population fully support green initiatives to reduce the demand for fossil fuel usage....... as long as it's in someone elses back yard.

Although I do not subscribe to man being responsible for the various ups and downs of the worlds climate, I do support sensible and non obtrusive methods of creating energy. I therefore fully support legislation making it obligatory for ALL new buildings to have solar roffs, windows etc. I do not wish to see the skyline ruined by ugly wind turbines.

Man is responsible though, environmental scientists have proven that because of us, the earth has carried on warming at a time it should be cooling because of us pumping CO2 and methane into the atmosphere, during periods of severely reduced numbers of flights, they have also found that the earth tends to be up to 2Celsius cooler than average, without us, the planet would be in another ice age right now, also I would rather wind turbines than nuclear power stations that cause radioactive pollution.

Think of the earth as a saucepan of water
the warmer it gets the bigger the turbulence and bubbles