Axe hangs over youth clubs in council cuts crisis

Daily Echo: Young people at Woolston Youth Project in Southampton, one of eight city clubs under threat. Young people at Woolston Youth Project in Southampton, one of eight city clubs under threat.

KEEP your hands off our youth clubs. That’s the message today from hundreds of youngsters across Southampton facing the loss of a safe and fun place to go after school.
Children’s services in the city face the brunt of the deepest council cuts ever proposed. About one third of the £20m of savings planned, and up to 126 jobs losses, will come from the council’s children’s department.
The Woolston Youth Project is one of eight clubs for 11- to 19-year-olds threatened with closure.
Twice a week up to 40 youngsters gather at the St Mark’s Institute to hang out, listen to music, surf the Internet, play indoor sports or try their hand at cooking and other actitvies.
Many have met new friends, learned new skills, gained confidence and the trust of youth workers and local police officers.
For 50p a session their parents know they will be safe and out of trouble for the evening.
Safety messages on sexual health and the dangers of drugs and booze are pinned on the walls, which the youths have decorated with colourful designs and murals.
But they have now turned their craft skills into a campaign to save their much-loved club.
Posters are being drawn up and petitions circulated.
The youngsters told the Echo they couldn’t understand why councillors had put them in their sights.
Kayley, 15, has been going to the club for three years, taking a bus from Weston to meet up with the new friends she has made there since moving away from Woolston.
“I would have nothing to do on weekdays if they close it down,” she said. “I would just be sitting at home bored or hanging round on the streets.”
Marshall, 11, who also travels from Weston to the club, said: “If it gets shut down everyone is going to get told off all the time for hanging around the streets. My mum lets me come here because it’s somewhere safe.”
Under proposed budget cuts the council hopes to save up to £765,600 by axing youth and play services. They have been heavily hit by budget cuts in recent years.
Redundancy
Aside from the youth clubs, which are attended by up to 1,000 youths a month, three supervised adventure play areas for five- to 13-year-olds in Thornhill, Newtown and Lordshill are also under threat. They are used by up to 40 children after school.
As a result more than 30 youth and play workers employed by the council face redundancy.
Church and voluntary organisations are being encouraged to come forward and take over some of the youth sessions.
But one youth worker, who did not want to be named, said: “It’s OK saying we will stick a couple of parents in a youth club but some of these kids have serious issues. It’s just outrageous.
“What the kids are seeing is a new museum being built, some new lights on the (Itchen Bridge). What is more important: bricks and mortar or our children?”
Another youth worker said: “It’s like management and the chief executive haven’t got a clue what we do. They think we are just a pretty add-on project.”
One of the youth workers said: “We’re on a deprived estate where the children cannot afford to go to football or swimming.
“It’s their only release.”
As well as co-ordinating youth clubs, the youth workers go out into their communities, often working alongside the police, to encourage youngsters into positive activities. They also work with schools to get truanting pupils back into the classroom and smooth the transition between primary and secondary schools for vulnerable children.
Others are given casework to help the city’s 350 jobless 16- to 19-year-olds into work or training. They also co-ordinate the city’s Duke of Edinburgh Awards.
The council wants schools and colleges to pick up much of this work. But council officers themselves have warned that the loss of a dedicated youth service “could result in an increased risk of young people being involved in anti-social behaviour, and reduce their ability to access work”.
The Northam and Newtown youth centres attract high numbers from ethnic minority communities whose culture often doesn’t allow them to “go out” but they are allowed to go to supervised youth clubs.
Mohammed ‘Khanjee’ Khan, from the Muslim Council of Southampton, said he feared a rise in antisocial behaviour if Newtown closed.
“If you close that, where are they going to go?” he said.
“Can you imagine 70 to 80 youths with nothing to do. How on earth are you going to deal with this?”
Steve Plumridge, a community campaigner from Millbrook, said: “Children are our future. We have to look after them. We will be asking them to go out and find their own entertainment.
“It’s going to put more strain on the police. To hit our children is totally wrong.”
The closure of youth services would save £3,000 in annual hire fees paid by the council to the St Mark’s Institute, the Swaythling Neighbourhood Centre and Woodlands Community School.
A free meeting venue would no longer be provided to the Breakout Youth Project, a charity for gay and lesbian young people.
While not ruling out any cuts, Tory children’s spokesman Councillor Jeremy Moulton accused Labour of “rushing” to close down the service.
“Before you cut everything you’ve got to go through all the alternatives to save the service,” he said.
He suggested council tenants’ rents could be used to save some of the youth service, and volunteer organisations could also be given some council funding.
Labour is considering making youth services statutory if the party gains power at the next general election in May 2015.
A party policy review could make local authorities legally bound to provide a minimum level of provision for young people.

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12:00pm Tue 27 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

Such a false economy; the cost further down the line will be far in excess of that being saved. Clearing out a couple of senior childcare managers and their immense salaries would be a far better economy. Can't help wondering if the Labour Council are tryng to shame the Tory Government by making cuts where it will hurt the most. Worrying times for local youths and those who make a difference.
Such a false economy; the cost further down the line will be far in excess of that being saved. Clearing out a couple of senior childcare managers and their immense salaries would be a far better economy. Can't help wondering if the Labour Council are tryng to shame the Tory Government by making cuts where it will hurt the most. Worrying times for local youths and those who make a difference. nedscrumpo
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12:01pm Tue 27 Nov 12

southy says...

There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open. southy
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12:10pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it? Shoong
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12:23pm Tue 27 Nov 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is. southy
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12:37pm Tue 27 Nov 12

bobbyboy says...

Leave the youth clubs alone there is precious little for the 9-16 age groups to do in this city hence the asbo areas schools should encourage after school clubs as well most teachers have a short days work as it is compared to industry one or two late days for a couple of hours spread out across the board would not interfere to much in there work life but would vastly improve the thinkings of the youth of today.
Leave the youth clubs alone there is precious little for the 9-16 age groups to do in this city hence the asbo areas schools should encourage after school clubs as well most teachers have a short days work as it is compared to industry one or two late days for a couple of hours spread out across the board would not interfere to much in there work life but would vastly improve the thinkings of the youth of today. bobbyboy
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12:56pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loosehead says...

I went to Foundry Lane youth Club I didn't think Fred Goater was paid to run it once a week.
There are Football,Rugby, Rowing,Cycling clubs & many more crying out for young players.
Southampton Rugby Club Test Lane Millbrook, Millbrook Rugby Club Lordshill are just two of these.
to say there's no where for them to go is an understatement.
Maybe if Ian Woodland & Mike Tucker give up their payments from the council then a few of these people can remain employed?
Sell some art pay off the PFI buildings & use those savings to invest in the Youth could be a way tom go?
I went to Foundry Lane youth Club I didn't think Fred Goater was paid to run it once a week. There are Football,Rugby, Rowing,Cycling clubs & many more crying out for young players. Southampton Rugby Club Test Lane Millbrook, Millbrook Rugby Club Lordshill are just two of these. to say there's no where for them to go is an understatement. Maybe if Ian Woodland & Mike Tucker give up their payments from the council then a few of these people can remain employed? Sell some art pay off the PFI buildings & use those savings to invest in the Youth could be a way tom go? loosehead
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12:58pm Tue 27 Nov 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know!

Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues.

where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know! Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues. where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over! freemantlegirl2
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1:02pm Tue 27 Nov 12

good-gosh says...

Unacceptable. Try again. Re-do the £180 millions spending plan according to city population needs.
Unacceptable. Try again. Re-do the £180 millions spending plan according to city population needs. good-gosh
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1:11pm Tue 27 Nov 12

southy says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know!

Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues.

where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over!
I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects).
Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know! Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues. where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over![/p][/quote]I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects). Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government southy
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1:11pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Brock_and_Roll says...

Big Society and all that....instead of protesting why dont some of the parents get together and keep these places going on a voluntary basis?

As for parents not being able to understand some of the "serious issues" that some of the children have; I would have thougt that the parents are the people best placed to unserstand their own children!!

It just takes a bit of effort and lateral thinking for communities to do what is in their own best interests, and not to rely on granny state to step in to solve social problems. For example as it was mentioned in the article, I am sure the Muslim community don't want their youngsters "hanging about" and picking up bad habits, so why dont they set up for example, an asian-language film club, coffee lounge, cricket club, koran study class or whatever.

All the sports clubs I am involved in are run entirely by volunteers. Furthermore we have accumulated funds so that NO CHILD would ever be turned away due to lack of money. Cost to the taxpayers nil, amount of petty crime and anti-social behaviour prevented, lots!
Big Society and all that....instead of protesting why dont some of the parents get together and keep these places going on a voluntary basis? As for parents not being able to understand some of the "serious issues" that some of the children have; I would have thougt that the parents are the people best placed to unserstand their own children!! It just takes a bit of effort and lateral thinking for communities to do what is in their own best interests, and not to rely on granny state to step in to solve social problems. For example as it was mentioned in the article, I am sure the Muslim community don't want their youngsters "hanging about" and picking up bad habits, so why dont they set up for example, an asian-language film club, coffee lounge, cricket club, koran study class or whatever. All the sports clubs I am involved in are run entirely by volunteers. Furthermore we have accumulated funds so that NO CHILD would ever be turned away due to lack of money. Cost to the taxpayers nil, amount of petty crime and anti-social behaviour prevented, lots! Brock_and_Roll
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1:26pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Big Society and all that....instead of protesting why dont some of the parents get together and keep these places going on a voluntary basis?

As for parents not being able to understand some of the "serious issues" that some of the children have; I would have thougt that the parents are the people best placed to unserstand their own children!!

It just takes a bit of effort and lateral thinking for communities to do what is in their own best interests, and not to rely on granny state to step in to solve social problems. For example as it was mentioned in the article, I am sure the Muslim community don't want their youngsters "hanging about" and picking up bad habits, so why dont they set up for example, an asian-language film club, coffee lounge, cricket club, koran study class or whatever.

All the sports clubs I am involved in are run entirely by volunteers. Furthermore we have accumulated funds so that NO CHILD would ever be turned away due to lack of money. Cost to the taxpayers nil, amount of petty crime and anti-social behaviour prevented, lots!
Brock when I was young we had jumble sells Fetes & a few other things to pay for such places.
I was willing to go over to Woolston & coach Rugby to youngsters on any school pitch or local park(green space) but would I get any youngsters willing to do it?
at youth level girls & boys can train & play in the same teams so come on parents get in touch with a sports team & get the youth into sport
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: Big Society and all that....instead of protesting why dont some of the parents get together and keep these places going on a voluntary basis? As for parents not being able to understand some of the "serious issues" that some of the children have; I would have thougt that the parents are the people best placed to unserstand their own children!! It just takes a bit of effort and lateral thinking for communities to do what is in their own best interests, and not to rely on granny state to step in to solve social problems. For example as it was mentioned in the article, I am sure the Muslim community don't want their youngsters "hanging about" and picking up bad habits, so why dont they set up for example, an asian-language film club, coffee lounge, cricket club, koran study class or whatever. All the sports clubs I am involved in are run entirely by volunteers. Furthermore we have accumulated funds so that NO CHILD would ever be turned away due to lack of money. Cost to the taxpayers nil, amount of petty crime and anti-social behaviour prevented, lots![/p][/quote]Brock when I was young we had jumble sells Fetes & a few other things to pay for such places. I was willing to go over to Woolston & coach Rugby to youngsters on any school pitch or local park(green space) but would I get any youngsters willing to do it? at youth level girls & boys can train & play in the same teams so come on parents get in touch with a sports team & get the youth into sport loosehead
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1:39pm Tue 27 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

I never had a youth club when I was young. I was in the scouts and then army cadet force and was always occupied.
I also had no mobile phone,computer or i pod.
The real truth of it is that young people dont know how to occupy themselves unless its loud,3d,Hd instant satisfaction based.
I was quite happy reading Enid Blyton, building dens and climbing trees.
I never had a youth club when I was young. I was in the scouts and then army cadet force and was always occupied. I also had no mobile phone,computer or i pod. The real truth of it is that young people dont know how to occupy themselves unless its loud,3d,Hd instant satisfaction based. I was quite happy reading Enid Blyton, building dens and climbing trees. bigfella777
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1:45pm Tue 27 Nov 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

However, having said that.. cuts yes, completely axing does NOT save money. Closing youth clubs results in more anti-social behaviour, it's a proven fact end of. People are always saying too many youths are on the streets and not having a good role models. Youth Club is one place where that can be changed. I still remember a guy who worked with me in our Youth Club as a teenager, he set a really good example to a LOT of young people....
However, having said that.. cuts yes, completely axing does NOT save money. Closing youth clubs results in more anti-social behaviour, it's a proven fact end of. People are always saying too many youths are on the streets and not having a good role models. Youth Club is one place where that can be changed. I still remember a guy who worked with me in our Youth Club as a teenager, he set a really good example to a LOT of young people.... freemantlegirl2
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2:02pm Tue 27 Nov 12

soton-mike80 says...

This is what local councils across the land are having to decide - what are our core services and how are we going to keep them running?

There is no infinite pot of money that SCC can dip into and there are hundred of services that the council provide.

When you realistically put the physical safety of a child next to a child's recreation - where would you draw the line?

The reality is, if the council plan to maintain every single after school centre that they have been providing over the years, they will have to let something else go - like a child protection team, or a team of waste collection and recycling operatives (is that their 2012 job title?)

I for one know which team I would prefer to keep - the ones that are going to stop a child being abused or a core service that every citizen relies upon.

When I was a kid I was never allowed to hang about on street corners, my parents sent me to cubs and laterly scouts, my school hall was opened every Thursday evening and a number of kids in my class (voluntarily) attended Judo sessions taught by community spirited people who volunteered their time to help the next generation...
This is what local councils across the land are having to decide - what are our core services and how are we going to keep them running? There is no infinite pot of money that SCC can dip into and there are hundred of services that the council provide. When you realistically put the physical safety of a child next to a child's recreation - where would you draw the line? The reality is, if the council plan to maintain every single after school centre that they have been providing over the years, they will have to let something else go - like a child protection team, or a team of waste collection and recycling operatives (is that their 2012 job title?) I for one know which team I would prefer to keep - the ones that are going to stop a child being abused or a core service that every citizen relies upon. When I was a kid I was never allowed to hang about on street corners, my parents sent me to cubs and laterly scouts, my school hall was opened every Thursday evening and a number of kids in my class (voluntarily) attended Judo sessions taught by community spirited people who volunteered their time to help the next generation... soton-mike80
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2:17pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
Right, so you don't actually know then really, glad we've cleared that up.

Too busy busy taking pictures rather than taking down information?

Pictures over substance then.

Apparently I 'lack in many things', but you forgot to take a notepad to a Council Budget Meeting. Oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]Right, so you don't actually know then really, glad we've cleared that up. Too busy busy taking pictures rather than taking down information? Pictures over substance then. Apparently I 'lack in many things', but you forgot to take a notepad to a Council Budget Meeting. Oh dear. Shoong
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2:27pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Yes Southampton Council like most others is having financial problems BUT what is causing hardship, hardly anybody wants to talk about.

Because attacking each other on political tribal lines is easy and more entertaining.

Most if not all the commentators on this site are well informed and intelligent people and if they tried playing poker they could be exceptionally good. Because they can bluff while aware of the fact that in reality their favourite political party is hardly any better than the other tribe's.

And real problem with local government finance is the national government, which under all three main parties has kept on decreasing it's share to local authorities while making Councils responsible for more and more expense.

Rather than picking upon stronger central government, like most yobs local councillors and their supporters also find it easy to attack/blame the weaker sections of community while making excuses for their own gangs.

Few weeks ago their victims were users of Oaklands Swimming Pool, today it is youngsters and soon it will be somebody else who is in vulnerable group.

Can their be any more insanity in this Council when even their own advisors are telling them that the crazy decision to close youth centres and forcing youth workers out of jobs could lead to increase in anti social behaviour?

Of all the people Cllr. Simon Letts who is dictating these crazy cuts should know better, because he is supposed to be a professional school teacher, so should be able to understand the needs of the youngsters.

When next time people complain or moan about our youngsters involved in anti social behaviour they should in fact be asking who encouraged or created breeding ground for that??? Answer should be THE COUNCIL.

Yes youngster will be blamed when real culprits are the so called councillors we the people voted for. When are we going to vote the causes of problem out and start electing those who care for ALL the local people and are willing to start demanding proper funding from friends of EU, the bankers multinationals like Ford etc, the self serving lunatics in London, whom we also elect?
Yes Southampton Council like most others is having financial problems BUT what is causing hardship, hardly anybody wants to talk about. Because attacking each other on political tribal lines is easy and more entertaining. Most if not all the commentators on this site are well informed and intelligent people and if they tried playing poker they could be exceptionally good. Because they can bluff while aware of the fact that in reality their favourite political party is hardly any better than the other tribe's. And real problem with local government finance is the national government, which under all three main parties has kept on decreasing it's share to local authorities while making Councils responsible for more and more expense. Rather than picking upon stronger central government, like most yobs local councillors and their supporters also find it easy to attack/blame the weaker sections of community while making excuses for their own gangs. Few weeks ago their victims were users of Oaklands Swimming Pool, today it is youngsters and soon it will be somebody else who is in vulnerable group. Can their be any more insanity in this Council when even their own advisors are telling them that the crazy decision to close youth centres and forcing youth workers out of jobs could lead to increase in anti social behaviour? Of all the people Cllr. Simon Letts who is dictating these crazy cuts should know better, because he is supposed to be a professional school teacher, so should be able to understand the needs of the youngsters. When next time people complain or moan about our youngsters involved in anti social behaviour they should in fact be asking who encouraged or created breeding ground for that??? Answer should be THE COUNCIL. Yes youngster will be blamed when real culprits are the so called councillors we the people voted for. When are we going to vote the causes of problem out and start electing those who care for ALL the local people and are willing to start demanding proper funding from friends of EU, the bankers multinationals like Ford etc, the self serving lunatics in London, whom we also elect? Paramjit Bahia
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2:30pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know!

Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues.

where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over!
South won't tell you where billions are, because you may spend it on Xmass shopping!
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know! Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues. where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over![/p][/quote]South won't tell you where billions are, because you may spend it on Xmass shopping! Paramjit Bahia
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2:31pm Tue 27 Nov 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
Right, so you don't actually know then really, glad we've cleared that up.

Too busy busy taking pictures rather than taking down information?

Pictures over substance then.

Apparently I 'lack in many things', but you forgot to take a notepad to a Council Budget Meeting. Oh dear.
The only bit I not sure about is how many millions there is spare, all the rest I know about, and as there are others taking notes so it becomes important for some to take pictures as the information to appear in the party papers and leafletts is all ready covered by more than 1 person.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]Right, so you don't actually know then really, glad we've cleared that up. Too busy busy taking pictures rather than taking down information? Pictures over substance then. Apparently I 'lack in many things', but you forgot to take a notepad to a Council Budget Meeting. Oh dear.[/p][/quote]The only bit I not sure about is how many millions there is spare, all the rest I know about, and as there are others taking notes so it becomes important for some to take pictures as the information to appear in the party papers and leafletts is all ready covered by more than 1 person. southy
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2:36pm Tue 27 Nov 12

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know!

Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues.

where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over!
South won't tell you where billions are, because you may spend it on Xmass shopping!
lol don't be mean to FM2 she as a good heart and trys, unlike most of the posters on here, complain but do not get involve
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know! Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues. where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over![/p][/quote]South won't tell you where billions are, because you may spend it on Xmass shopping![/p][/quote]lol don't be mean to FM2 she as a good heart and trys, unlike most of the posters on here, complain but do not get involve southy
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2:41pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know!

Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues.

where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over!
I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects).
Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government
Hi Peter, did you say you were taking pictures in the Council Chamber? You ***** old man.... Hope you did not sell those to Murdock owned Sun!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know! Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues. where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over![/p][/quote]I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects). Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government[/p][/quote]Hi Peter, did you say you were taking pictures in the Council Chamber? You ***** old man.... Hope you did not sell those to Murdock owned Sun! Paramjit Bahia
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3:05pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

DE article reads "Labour is considering making youth services statutory if the party gains power at the next general election in May 2015. A party policy review could make local authorities legally bound to provide a minimum level of provision for young people."

If that is true then how can NuLabour's crazy cuts of youth services in Southampton be right? Either locally they are so arrogant that they do not even give a **** to what their national leadership thinks OR The New Labour as party is doing its typical thing..... Spluttering slogans and creating mirages to mislead the masses.
DE article reads "Labour is considering making youth services statutory if the party gains power at the next general election in May 2015. A party policy review could make local authorities legally bound to provide a minimum level of provision for young people." If that is true then how can NuLabour's crazy cuts of youth services in Southampton be right? Either locally they are so arrogant that they do not even give a **** to what their national leadership thinks OR The New Labour as party is doing its typical thing..... Spluttering slogans and creating mirages to mislead the masses. Paramjit Bahia
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3:09pm Tue 27 Nov 12

freefinker says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
DE article reads "Labour is considering making youth services statutory if the party gains power at the next general election in May 2015. A party policy review could make local authorities legally bound to provide a minimum level of provision for young people."

If that is true then how can NuLabour's crazy cuts of youth services in Southampton be right? Either locally they are so arrogant that they do not even give a **** to what their national leadership thinks OR The New Labour as party is doing its typical thing..... Spluttering slogans and creating mirages to mislead the masses.
.. "Spluttering slogans and creating mirages to mislead the masses."

Are you sure you mean Nu Labour and not TUSC?

Or perhaps it applies to ALL parties and politicians.

But, it seem to fit southy best.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: DE article reads "Labour is considering making youth services statutory if the party gains power at the next general election in May 2015. A party policy review could make local authorities legally bound to provide a minimum level of provision for young people." If that is true then how can NuLabour's crazy cuts of youth services in Southampton be right? Either locally they are so arrogant that they do not even give a **** to what their national leadership thinks OR The New Labour as party is doing its typical thing..... Spluttering slogans and creating mirages to mislead the masses.[/p][/quote].. "Spluttering slogans and creating mirages to mislead the masses." Are you sure you mean Nu Labour and not TUSC? Or perhaps it applies to ALL parties and politicians. But, it seem to fit southy best. freefinker
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3:23pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

@ Paramjit Bahia

I think the problem runs much deeper then that. Yes, self serving parasites aka the government are failing. For obvious reasons.

Integrity is a quality, which by the looks of it, is no longer desired in any indivudal under a capitalist system.

The problem is that communities, and yes, parents, are not taking responsibility for their own children.

Im consitantly astounded by what some young parents think is a priority and responsibility to their children.

In many cases people who are not fit to offer a child, a healthy and positive enviroment are becoming parents.

Unless you can stop this, the problem is never going away no matter how many youth centers you build.
@ Paramjit Bahia I think the problem runs much deeper then that. Yes, self serving parasites aka the government are failing. For obvious reasons. Integrity is a quality, which by the looks of it, is no longer desired in any indivudal under a capitalist system. The problem is that communities, and yes, parents, are not taking responsibility for their own children. Im consitantly astounded by what some young parents think is a priority and responsibility to their children. In many cases people who are not fit to offer a child, a healthy and positive enviroment are becoming parents. Unless you can stop this, the problem is never going away no matter how many youth centers you build. Subject48
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3:31pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know!

Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues.

where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over!
South won't tell you where billions are, because you may spend it on Xmass shopping!
lol don't be mean to FM2 she as a good heart and trys, unlike most of the posters on here, complain but do not get involve
Southy I was in the Boys Brigade, Then the army Cadets I did a paper round a log round & helped the milk man.
I played Rugby if we had a game I had to do all my mums shopping went to Fred Goaters youth club once a week if allowed to.
I've been in schools to assist teachers coaching Rugby I'm willing to coach Rugby If the kids want to play.
My club (ex) were willing to spread the training grounds across the city.
I was willing to go to the Eastern side to help coach children & then bring the two sides of the city together to play as one team.
Most kids want to be David Beckham or to dance or rap as they see the X Factor as a means to get rich or Britains got Talent.
How can you say people won't put themselves out?
I was told come rain or shine these lads would turn up so I stood there in the rain waiting for them & a no show.
Some of it is the youth themselves the rest is down to the parents.
I totally respect any parent who takes their child to a sports club no matter what sport & that goes for FM2 as well
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know! Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues. where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over![/p][/quote]South won't tell you where billions are, because you may spend it on Xmass shopping![/p][/quote]lol don't be mean to FM2 she as a good heart and trys, unlike most of the posters on here, complain but do not get involve[/p][/quote]Southy I was in the Boys Brigade, Then the army Cadets I did a paper round a log round & helped the milk man. I played Rugby if we had a game I had to do all my mums shopping went to Fred Goaters youth club once a week if allowed to. I've been in schools to assist teachers coaching Rugby I'm willing to coach Rugby If the kids want to play. My club (ex) were willing to spread the training grounds across the city. I was willing to go to the Eastern side to help coach children & then bring the two sides of the city together to play as one team. Most kids want to be David Beckham or to dance or rap as they see the X Factor as a means to get rich or Britains got Talent. How can you say people won't put themselves out? I was told come rain or shine these lads would turn up so I stood there in the rain waiting for them & a no show. Some of it is the youth themselves the rest is down to the parents. I totally respect any parent who takes their child to a sports club no matter what sport & that goes for FM2 as well loosehead
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3:31pm Tue 27 Nov 12

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know!

Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues.

where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over!
I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects).
Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government
Hi Peter, did you say you were taking pictures in the Council Chamber? You ***** old man.... Hope you did not sell those to Murdock owned Sun!
lol not in the council chambers but out side, an idea lo sun news paper
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know! Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues. where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over![/p][/quote]I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects). Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government[/p][/quote]Hi Peter, did you say you were taking pictures in the Council Chamber? You ***** old man.... Hope you did not sell those to Murdock owned Sun![/p][/quote]lol not in the council chambers but out side, an idea lo sun news paper southy
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5:48pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

The Big Society put to the test,,,well it sure is,,,volunteers, churches and charities run many youth projects/ sessions citywide,,,,however most are supported by the local authority,,,,many cannot afford CRB checks to be done,,,,child protection training,,,,many do not the rules regarding Ofsted all of this support comes from mainly from the local authority,,,,,youth service provision got slashed under the Tories locally during the last cull,,,,the East of Southampton has not had youth workers for the last 2 years,,,,youth centres were closed and sold off back then,,,,,all political parties should hang their heads in shame,,, they have all failed in their duty,,,,many funders will only fund for additional youth projects beyond statutory provision,,,without statutory provision they will not fund the churches and charities,,,,a very sorry state of affairs
The Big Society put to the test,,,well it sure is,,,volunteers, churches and charities run many youth projects/ sessions citywide,,,,however most are supported by the local authority,,,,many cannot afford CRB checks to be done,,,,child protection training,,,,many do not the rules regarding Ofsted all of this support comes from mainly from the local authority,,,,,youth service provision got slashed under the Tories locally during the last cull,,,,the East of Southampton has not had youth workers for the last 2 years,,,,youth centres were closed and sold off back then,,,,,all political parties should hang their heads in shame,,, they have all failed in their duty,,,,many funders will only fund for additional youth projects beyond statutory provision,,,without statutory provision they will not fund the churches and charities,,,,a very sorry state of affairs Over the Edge
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5:58pm Tue 27 Nov 12

lisa whitemore says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
This Outrageous!! But typical of this Labour Council! Ruthless & Doesnt give a **** how any of these cuts are affecting members of public in Southampton. All Theyre seeing are figures to meet targets!! This is going to be disaster as kids as we know get bored, start hanging about again then Disburserys are set up police resources stretched even more need I Go on.... But youths will get the blame and back to that old stigma that I Fought for when I Was 15, funny even I think even Alan Whitehead attended meetings and I Eventually with Youth Workers had a result and Oaklands Youth Wing was our reward that was over 20yrs ago. Such sad state of affairs.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]This Outrageous!! But typical of this Labour Council! Ruthless & Doesnt give a **** how any of these cuts are affecting members of public in Southampton. All Theyre seeing are figures to meet targets!! This is going to be disaster as kids as we know get bored, start hanging about again then Disburserys are set up police resources stretched even more need I Go on.... But youths will get the blame and back to that old stigma that I Fought for when I Was 15, funny even I think even Alan Whitehead attended meetings and I Eventually with Youth Workers had a result and Oaklands Youth Wing was our reward that was over 20yrs ago. Such sad state of affairs. lisa whitemore
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6:17pm Tue 27 Nov 12

lisa whitemore says...

loosehead wrote:
I went to Foundry Lane youth Club I didn't think Fred Goater was paid to run it once a week.
There are Football,Rugby, Rowing,Cycling clubs & many more crying out for young players.
Southampton Rugby Club Test Lane Millbrook, Millbrook Rugby Club Lordshill are just two of these.
to say there's no where for them to go is an understatement.
Maybe if Ian Woodland & Mike Tucker give up their payments from the council then a few of these people can remain employed?
Sell some art pay off the PFI buildings & use those savings to invest in the Youth could be a way tom go?
can totally see where your coming from as thats how ive raised my son,but some kids just dont enjoy sports and by cutting youth clubs is just asking for trouble.Come off it Our Kids need a good start in life,why should be deprive them of that. Our Council leader doesnt give a toss about anyone these cuts are affecting as its just figures on paper to them. After my experiences directly with them ive seen it with my own eyes.They Have totally cut themselves off to the fact at the other end of all these cost cutting are human beings with families,the next generation, honestly dont see any light in that tunnel unfortunately.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I went to Foundry Lane youth Club I didn't think Fred Goater was paid to run it once a week. There are Football,Rugby, Rowing,Cycling clubs & many more crying out for young players. Southampton Rugby Club Test Lane Millbrook, Millbrook Rugby Club Lordshill are just two of these. to say there's no where for them to go is an understatement. Maybe if Ian Woodland & Mike Tucker give up their payments from the council then a few of these people can remain employed? Sell some art pay off the PFI buildings & use those savings to invest in the Youth could be a way tom go?[/p][/quote]can totally see where your coming from as thats how ive raised my son,but some kids just dont enjoy sports and by cutting youth clubs is just asking for trouble.Come off it Our Kids need a good start in life,why should be deprive them of that. Our Council leader doesnt give a toss about anyone these cuts are affecting as its just figures on paper to them. After my experiences directly with them ive seen it with my own eyes.They Have totally cut themselves off to the fact at the other end of all these cost cutting are human beings with families,the next generation, honestly dont see any light in that tunnel unfortunately. lisa whitemore
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6:40pm Tue 27 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

lisa whitemore wrote:
loosehead wrote: I went to Foundry Lane youth Club I didn't think Fred Goater was paid to run it once a week. There are Football,Rugby, Rowing,Cycling clubs & many more crying out for young players. Southampton Rugby Club Test Lane Millbrook, Millbrook Rugby Club Lordshill are just two of these. to say there's no where for them to go is an understatement. Maybe if Ian Woodland & Mike Tucker give up their payments from the council then a few of these people can remain employed? Sell some art pay off the PFI buildings & use those savings to invest in the Youth could be a way tom go?
can totally see where your coming from as thats how ive raised my son,but some kids just dont enjoy sports and by cutting youth clubs is just asking for trouble.Come off it Our Kids need a good start in life,why should be deprive them of that. Our Council leader doesnt give a toss about anyone these cuts are affecting as its just figures on paper to them. After my experiences directly with them ive seen it with my own eyes.They Have totally cut themselves off to the fact at the other end of all these cost cutting are human beings with families,the next generation, honestly dont see any light in that tunnel unfortunately.
I share your concerns and agree that many young people feel very bleak about the future at the moment (which breaks my heart). I don't however think it's fair to blame the current leaders of the Council. They simply cannot spend what they have not been given. Some very hard choices are having to be made at the moment and this is one of them. What we are seeing is the dismantling of Local Government as we know it. I don't believe it's for financial reasons primarily, but more about political ideaology
[quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I went to Foundry Lane youth Club I didn't think Fred Goater was paid to run it once a week. There are Football,Rugby, Rowing,Cycling clubs & many more crying out for young players. Southampton Rugby Club Test Lane Millbrook, Millbrook Rugby Club Lordshill are just two of these. to say there's no where for them to go is an understatement. Maybe if Ian Woodland & Mike Tucker give up their payments from the council then a few of these people can remain employed? Sell some art pay off the PFI buildings & use those savings to invest in the Youth could be a way tom go?[/p][/quote]can totally see where your coming from as thats how ive raised my son,but some kids just dont enjoy sports and by cutting youth clubs is just asking for trouble.Come off it Our Kids need a good start in life,why should be deprive them of that. Our Council leader doesnt give a toss about anyone these cuts are affecting as its just figures on paper to them. After my experiences directly with them ive seen it with my own eyes.They Have totally cut themselves off to the fact at the other end of all these cost cutting are human beings with families,the next generation, honestly dont see any light in that tunnel unfortunately.[/p][/quote]I share your concerns and agree that many young people feel very bleak about the future at the moment (which breaks my heart). I don't however think it's fair to blame the current leaders of the Council. They simply cannot spend what they have not been given. Some very hard choices are having to be made at the moment and this is one of them. What we are seeing is the dismantling of Local Government as we know it. I don't believe it's for financial reasons primarily, but more about political ideaology thinklikealocal
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6:42pm Tue 27 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
lisa whitemore wrote:
loosehead wrote: I went to Foundry Lane youth Club I didn't think Fred Goater was paid to run it once a week. There are Football,Rugby, Rowing,Cycling clubs & many more crying out for young players. Southampton Rugby Club Test Lane Millbrook, Millbrook Rugby Club Lordshill are just two of these. to say there's no where for them to go is an understatement. Maybe if Ian Woodland & Mike Tucker give up their payments from the council then a few of these people can remain employed? Sell some art pay off the PFI buildings & use those savings to invest in the Youth could be a way tom go?
can totally see where your coming from as thats how ive raised my son,but some kids just dont enjoy sports and by cutting youth clubs is just asking for trouble.Come off it Our Kids need a good start in life,why should be deprive them of that. Our Council leader doesnt give a toss about anyone these cuts are affecting as its just figures on paper to them. After my experiences directly with them ive seen it with my own eyes.They Have totally cut themselves off to the fact at the other end of all these cost cutting are human beings with families,the next generation, honestly dont see any light in that tunnel unfortunately.
I share your concerns and agree that many young people feel very bleak about the future at the moment (which breaks my heart). I don't however think it's fair to blame the current leaders of the Council. They simply cannot spend what they have not been given. Some very hard choices are having to be made at the moment and this is one of them. What we are seeing is the dismantling of Local Government as we know it. I don't believe it's for financial reasons primarily, but more about political ideaology
My post should have finished - in Westminster. The nation is sleepwalking into this.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I went to Foundry Lane youth Club I didn't think Fred Goater was paid to run it once a week. There are Football,Rugby, Rowing,Cycling clubs & many more crying out for young players. Southampton Rugby Club Test Lane Millbrook, Millbrook Rugby Club Lordshill are just two of these. to say there's no where for them to go is an understatement. Maybe if Ian Woodland & Mike Tucker give up their payments from the council then a few of these people can remain employed? Sell some art pay off the PFI buildings & use those savings to invest in the Youth could be a way tom go?[/p][/quote]can totally see where your coming from as thats how ive raised my son,but some kids just dont enjoy sports and by cutting youth clubs is just asking for trouble.Come off it Our Kids need a good start in life,why should be deprive them of that. Our Council leader doesnt give a toss about anyone these cuts are affecting as its just figures on paper to them. After my experiences directly with them ive seen it with my own eyes.They Have totally cut themselves off to the fact at the other end of all these cost cutting are human beings with families,the next generation, honestly dont see any light in that tunnel unfortunately.[/p][/quote]I share your concerns and agree that many young people feel very bleak about the future at the moment (which breaks my heart). I don't however think it's fair to blame the current leaders of the Council. They simply cannot spend what they have not been given. Some very hard choices are having to be made at the moment and this is one of them. What we are seeing is the dismantling of Local Government as we know it. I don't believe it's for financial reasons primarily, but more about political ideaology[/p][/quote]My post should have finished - in Westminster. The nation is sleepwalking into this. thinklikealocal
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7:03pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

Political ideaology,,,is exactly what it is,,,Local Government will be a thing of the past if the nutters currently in Westminster elected again in 2015,,near no every council in the country are facing the same decisions,,,Eric Pickles is the Government hatchet man sent out kill off councils,,,this is start,,,it will only get worse
Political ideaology,,,is exactly what it is,,,Local Government will be a thing of the past if the nutters currently in Westminster elected again in 2015,,near no every council in the country are facing the same decisions,,,Eric Pickles is the Government hatchet man sent out kill off councils,,,this is start,,,it will only get worse Over the Edge
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9:10pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

freefinker wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
DE article reads "Labour is considering making youth services statutory if the party gains power at the next general election in May 2015. A party policy review could make local authorities legally bound to provide a minimum level of provision for young people."

If that is true then how can NuLabour's crazy cuts of youth services in Southampton be right? Either locally they are so arrogant that they do not even give a **** to what their national leadership thinks OR The New Labour as party is doing its typical thing..... Spluttering slogans and creating mirages to mislead the masses.
.. "Spluttering slogans and creating mirages to mislead the masses."

Are you sure you mean Nu Labour and not TUSC?

Or perhaps it applies to ALL parties and politicians.

But, it seem to fit southy best.
yes it could apply to all major political parties but I had NuLabour in mind, because in Southampton they are in charge doing complete opposite of what they would like us to believe.

Yes I voted TUC last time, but neither have been nor am their spokesperson, suggest you contact them if you want to ask questions.

Last matter? Joke appreciated yes good one, but no comment
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: DE article reads "Labour is considering making youth services statutory if the party gains power at the next general election in May 2015. A party policy review could make local authorities legally bound to provide a minimum level of provision for young people." If that is true then how can NuLabour's crazy cuts of youth services in Southampton be right? Either locally they are so arrogant that they do not even give a **** to what their national leadership thinks OR The New Labour as party is doing its typical thing..... Spluttering slogans and creating mirages to mislead the masses.[/p][/quote].. "Spluttering slogans and creating mirages to mislead the masses." Are you sure you mean Nu Labour and not TUSC? Or perhaps it applies to ALL parties and politicians. But, it seem to fit southy best.[/p][/quote]yes it could apply to all major political parties but I had NuLabour in mind, because in Southampton they are in charge doing complete opposite of what they would like us to believe. Yes I voted TUC last time, but neither have been nor am their spokesperson, suggest you contact them if you want to ask questions. Last matter? Joke appreciated yes good one, but no comment Paramjit Bahia
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9:20pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loosehead says...

lisa whitemore wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I went to Foundry Lane youth Club I didn't think Fred Goater was paid to run it once a week.
There are Football,Rugby, Rowing,Cycling clubs & many more crying out for young players.
Southampton Rugby Club Test Lane Millbrook, Millbrook Rugby Club Lordshill are just two of these.
to say there's no where for them to go is an understatement.
Maybe if Ian Woodland & Mike Tucker give up their payments from the council then a few of these people can remain employed?
Sell some art pay off the PFI buildings & use those savings to invest in the Youth could be a way tom go?
can totally see where your coming from as thats how ive raised my son,but some kids just dont enjoy sports and by cutting youth clubs is just asking for trouble.Come off it Our Kids need a good start in life,why should be deprive them of that. Our Council leader doesnt give a toss about anyone these cuts are affecting as its just figures on paper to them. After my experiences directly with them ive seen it with my own eyes.They Have totally cut themselves off to the fact at the other end of all these cost cutting are human beings with families,the next generation, honestly dont see any light in that tunnel unfortunately.
I wonder if they hadn't restored Mike Tuckers & ian woodlands pay if they'd have needed to cut these youth workers as surely those restorations of the pay to council workers couldn't have anything to do with it can it?
As you'll see Labour supporters & a few who are getting their pay restored will blame the Government?
funny that with solent University's help the last council rolled out sports in the schools didn't they?
Lisa in Freemantle/sahirley you have Randolph rd community centre they had a youth club in there but it got stopped due to the violence I know of a guy who assisted in there & said it ended up as a place for the local yobs to meet to have a fight?
when I was young as well as Fred Goaters Club at Foundry Lane School most churches had places for youth clubs where with the vicar/priest & some parents they ran those clubs .
I know Redlodge School use to have a youth club as well.
Does Oasis have such a club? could it let it's pupils use a room as a club at night?
It would be a good thing to get the youth involved with the schools in that way wouldn't it?
Would you think Parents would be willing in sufficient numbers to help run such a youth facility?
I have no kids but would love to hear from responsible parents the way to go?
[quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I went to Foundry Lane youth Club I didn't think Fred Goater was paid to run it once a week. There are Football,Rugby, Rowing,Cycling clubs & many more crying out for young players. Southampton Rugby Club Test Lane Millbrook, Millbrook Rugby Club Lordshill are just two of these. to say there's no where for them to go is an understatement. Maybe if Ian Woodland & Mike Tucker give up their payments from the council then a few of these people can remain employed? Sell some art pay off the PFI buildings & use those savings to invest in the Youth could be a way tom go?[/p][/quote]can totally see where your coming from as thats how ive raised my son,but some kids just dont enjoy sports and by cutting youth clubs is just asking for trouble.Come off it Our Kids need a good start in life,why should be deprive them of that. Our Council leader doesnt give a toss about anyone these cuts are affecting as its just figures on paper to them. After my experiences directly with them ive seen it with my own eyes.They Have totally cut themselves off to the fact at the other end of all these cost cutting are human beings with families,the next generation, honestly dont see any light in that tunnel unfortunately.[/p][/quote]I wonder if they hadn't restored Mike Tuckers & ian woodlands pay if they'd have needed to cut these youth workers as surely those restorations of the pay to council workers couldn't have anything to do with it can it? As you'll see Labour supporters & a few who are getting their pay restored will blame the Government? funny that with solent University's help the last council rolled out sports in the schools didn't they? Lisa in Freemantle/sahirley you have Randolph rd community centre they had a youth club in there but it got stopped due to the violence I know of a guy who assisted in there & said it ended up as a place for the local yobs to meet to have a fight? when I was young as well as Fred Goaters Club at Foundry Lane School most churches had places for youth clubs where with the vicar/priest & some parents they ran those clubs . I know Redlodge School use to have a youth club as well. Does Oasis have such a club? could it let it's pupils use a room as a club at night? It would be a good thing to get the youth involved with the schools in that way wouldn't it? Would you think Parents would be willing in sufficient numbers to help run such a youth facility? I have no kids but would love to hear from responsible parents the way to go? loosehead
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9:23pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Subject48 wrote:
@ Paramjit Bahia

I think the problem runs much deeper then that. Yes, self serving parasites aka the government are failing. For obvious reasons.

Integrity is a quality, which by the looks of it, is no longer desired in any indivudal under a capitalist system.

The problem is that communities, and yes, parents, are not taking responsibility for their own children.

Im consitantly astounded by what some young parents think is a priority and responsibility to their children.

In many cases people who are not fit to offer a child, a healthy and positive enviroment are becoming parents.

Unless you can stop this, the problem is never going away no matter how many youth centers you build.
Yes 'some' parents can be contributing to problems, but most parents are responsible, should not be blamed for failings of minority.

Apart from parents many other factors also play part in habits of children and youngsters.

Yes values of the society are fast disappearing, but what kind of economic political and social system has caused it is too serious subject, which most people hesitate to talk about. Because they don't want to face few truths, which may not fit in with their stated greed based views.
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: @ Paramjit Bahia I think the problem runs much deeper then that. Yes, self serving parasites aka the government are failing. For obvious reasons. Integrity is a quality, which by the looks of it, is no longer desired in any indivudal under a capitalist system. The problem is that communities, and yes, parents, are not taking responsibility for their own children. Im consitantly astounded by what some young parents think is a priority and responsibility to their children. In many cases people who are not fit to offer a child, a healthy and positive enviroment are becoming parents. Unless you can stop this, the problem is never going away no matter how many youth centers you build.[/p][/quote]Yes 'some' parents can be contributing to problems, but most parents are responsible, should not be blamed for failings of minority. Apart from parents many other factors also play part in habits of children and youngsters. Yes values of the society are fast disappearing, but what kind of economic political and social system has caused it is too serious subject, which most people hesitate to talk about. Because they don't want to face few truths, which may not fit in with their stated greed based views. Paramjit Bahia
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9:28pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Over the Edge wrote:
The Big Society put to the test,,,well it sure is,,,volunteers, churches and charities run many youth projects/ sessions citywide,,,,however most are supported by the local authority,,,,many cannot afford CRB checks to be done,,,,child protection training,,,,many do not the rules regarding Ofsted all of this support comes from mainly from the local authority,,,,,youth service provision got slashed under the Tories locally during the last cull,,,,the East of Southampton has not had youth workers for the last 2 years,,,,youth centres were closed and sold off back then,,,,,all political parties should hang their heads in shame,,, they have all failed in their duty,,,,many funders will only fund for additional youth projects beyond statutory provision,,,without statutory provision they will not fund the churches and charities,,,,a very sorry state of affairs
I went & passed my level one coaching certificate & paid for it by going into schools on the RFU's behalf & I was willing to continue to do that but teachers seem to dislike outside help?
My ex club applied for my CRB checks.
If some one really wanted to do this they could apply to have a CRB check & show the authorities that check & run a club.
many people coach sports with no payment what so ever so why can't parents or responsible adults who want to find some thing for the youth to do apply for the checks & do it for free as the sports coaches?
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: The Big Society put to the test,,,well it sure is,,,volunteers, churches and charities run many youth projects/ sessions citywide,,,,however most are supported by the local authority,,,,many cannot afford CRB checks to be done,,,,child protection training,,,,many do not the rules regarding Ofsted all of this support comes from mainly from the local authority,,,,,youth service provision got slashed under the Tories locally during the last cull,,,,the East of Southampton has not had youth workers for the last 2 years,,,,youth centres were closed and sold off back then,,,,,all political parties should hang their heads in shame,,, they have all failed in their duty,,,,many funders will only fund for additional youth projects beyond statutory provision,,,without statutory provision they will not fund the churches and charities,,,,a very sorry state of affairs[/p][/quote]I went & passed my level one coaching certificate & paid for it by going into schools on the RFU's behalf & I was willing to continue to do that but teachers seem to dislike outside help? My ex club applied for my CRB checks. If some one really wanted to do this they could apply to have a CRB check & show the authorities that check & run a club. many people coach sports with no payment what so ever so why can't parents or responsible adults who want to find some thing for the youth to do apply for the checks & do it for free as the sports coaches? loosehead
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9:31pm Tue 27 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

Over the Edge wrote:
Political ideaology,,,is exactly what it is,,,Local Government will be a thing of the past if the nutters currently in Westminster elected again in 2015,,near no every council in the country are facing the same decisions,,,Eric Pickles is the Government hatchet man sent out kill off councils,,,this is start,,,it will only get worse
It is such a shame that so many people are blinkered about this. The Government did a great PR job by setting about destroying the public's confidence in public servants, useless, overpaid, gold plated pensions etc. then when they'd softened the public up a bit, lets destroy local democracy and services. They did such a good job on people like Loosehead, he now 'blames' SCC employees for every Service cut. As I said, sleepwalking into it will Pickles etc must be LTAO up in Wesinster. It us sooooo sad.
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Political ideaology,,,is exactly what it is,,,Local Government will be a thing of the past if the nutters currently in Westminster elected again in 2015,,near no every council in the country are facing the same decisions,,,Eric Pickles is the Government hatchet man sent out kill off councils,,,this is start,,,it will only get worse[/p][/quote]It is such a shame that so many people are blinkered about this. The Government did a great PR job by setting about destroying the public's confidence in public servants, useless, overpaid, gold plated pensions etc. then when they'd softened the public up a bit, lets destroy local democracy and services. They did such a good job on people like Loosehead, he now 'blames' SCC employees for every Service cut. As I said, sleepwalking into it will Pickles etc must be LTAO up in Wesinster. It us sooooo sad. thinklikealocal
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9:38pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Subject48 wrote:
@ Paramjit Bahia

I think the problem runs much deeper then that. Yes, self serving parasites aka the government are failing. For obvious reasons.

Integrity is a quality, which by the looks of it, is no longer desired in any indivudal under a capitalist system.

The problem is that communities, and yes, parents, are not taking responsibility for their own children.

Im consitantly astounded by what some young parents think is a priority and responsibility to their children.

In many cases people who are not fit to offer a child, a healthy and positive enviroment are becoming parents.

Unless you can stop this, the problem is never going away no matter how many youth centers you build.
Yes 'some' parents can be contributing to problems, but most parents are responsible, should not be blamed for failings of minority.

Apart from parents many other factors also play part in habits of children and youngsters.

Yes values of the society are fast disappearing, but what kind of economic political and social system has caused it is too serious subject, which most people hesitate to talk about. Because they don't want to face few truths, which may not fit in with their stated greed based views.
Walking around my estate at night & seeing young children out late at night I'm sorry but responsible parenting?
Some can't even be bothered to take their young children down to the play area & keep an eye on them so the child goes by them selves with no responsible adult any where?
They talk to perfect strangers & don't seem to know the danger they're in by doing that.
There are Church Halls where the local vicars would be more than willing for a youth club to be held if parents were responsible for the children ,
I'm sure if asked Boys Brigades?girl guides/scouts could be set up in these places to give the youth something to do.
We aren't looking after ourselves we want other people to do it for us.
If I'm not wrong FM2 takes her children to football, & various other activities that's being a good parent & that's the responsibility you take on when you have children not to tell them to go out & play as your getting on my nerves attitude. my mum used to pack us off with my older sister in the holidays to the sports centre so she could sit & talk to her Neighbours is that being a good parent?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: @ Paramjit Bahia I think the problem runs much deeper then that. Yes, self serving parasites aka the government are failing. For obvious reasons. Integrity is a quality, which by the looks of it, is no longer desired in any indivudal under a capitalist system. The problem is that communities, and yes, parents, are not taking responsibility for their own children. Im consitantly astounded by what some young parents think is a priority and responsibility to their children. In many cases people who are not fit to offer a child, a healthy and positive enviroment are becoming parents. Unless you can stop this, the problem is never going away no matter how many youth centers you build.[/p][/quote]Yes 'some' parents can be contributing to problems, but most parents are responsible, should not be blamed for failings of minority. Apart from parents many other factors also play part in habits of children and youngsters. Yes values of the society are fast disappearing, but what kind of economic political and social system has caused it is too serious subject, which most people hesitate to talk about. Because they don't want to face few truths, which may not fit in with their stated greed based views.[/p][/quote]Walking around my estate at night & seeing young children out late at night I'm sorry but responsible parenting? Some can't even be bothered to take their young children down to the play area & keep an eye on them so the child goes by them selves with no responsible adult any where? They talk to perfect strangers & don't seem to know the danger they're in by doing that. There are Church Halls where the local vicars would be more than willing for a youth club to be held if parents were responsible for the children , I'm sure if asked Boys Brigades?girl guides/scouts could be set up in these places to give the youth something to do. We aren't looking after ourselves we want other people to do it for us. If I'm not wrong FM2 takes her children to football, & various other activities that's being a good parent & that's the responsibility you take on when you have children not to tell them to go out & play as your getting on my nerves attitude. my mum used to pack us off with my older sister in the holidays to the sports centre so she could sit & talk to her Neighbours is that being a good parent? loosehead
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9:39pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Political ideaology,,,is exactly what it is,,,Local Government will be a thing of the past if the nutters currently in Westminster elected again in 2015,,near no every council in the country are facing the same decisions,,,Eric Pickles is the Government hatchet man sent out kill off councils,,,this is start,,,it will only get worse
It is such a shame that so many people are blinkered about this. The Government did a great PR job by setting about destroying the public's confidence in public servants, useless, overpaid, gold plated pensions etc. then when they'd softened the public up a bit, lets destroy local democracy and services. They did such a good job on people like Loosehead, he now 'blames' SCC employees for every Service cut. As I said, sleepwalking into it will Pickles etc must be LTAO up in Wesinster. It us sooooo sad.
So your not on a final salary pension then?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Political ideaology,,,is exactly what it is,,,Local Government will be a thing of the past if the nutters currently in Westminster elected again in 2015,,near no every council in the country are facing the same decisions,,,Eric Pickles is the Government hatchet man sent out kill off councils,,,this is start,,,it will only get worse[/p][/quote]It is such a shame that so many people are blinkered about this. The Government did a great PR job by setting about destroying the public's confidence in public servants, useless, overpaid, gold plated pensions etc. then when they'd softened the public up a bit, lets destroy local democracy and services. They did such a good job on people like Loosehead, he now 'blames' SCC employees for every Service cut. As I said, sleepwalking into it will Pickles etc must be LTAO up in Wesinster. It us sooooo sad.[/p][/quote]So your not on a final salary pension then? loosehead
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10:04pm Tue 27 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Over the Edge wrote: Political ideaology,,,is exactly what it is,,,Local Government will be a thing of the past if the nutters currently in Westminster elected again in 2015,,near no every council in the country are facing the same decisions,,,Eric Pickles is the Government hatchet man sent out kill off councils,,,this is start,,,it will only get worse
It is such a shame that so many people are blinkered about this. The Government did a great PR job by setting about destroying the public's confidence in public servants, useless, overpaid, gold plated pensions etc. then when they'd softened the public up a bit, lets destroy local democracy and services. They did such a good job on people like Loosehead, he now 'blames' SCC employees for every Service cut. As I said, sleepwalking into it will Pickles etc must be LTAO up in Wesinster. It us sooooo sad.
So your not on a final salary pension then?
What has that got to do with cuts to the Youth Service in Southampton? You really are a bore of the highest order! If I remember correctly you retired at 49 with a pension (final salary no doubt) at 50! You are an Absolute Farce of a person and one of the sleewalkers I refer to. You set yourself us a defender if the people and local services yet you defend those in Westminster who seek destroy them. Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Political ideaology,,,is exactly what it is,,,Local Government will be a thing of the past if the nutters currently in Westminster elected again in 2015,,near no every council in the country are facing the same decisions,,,Eric Pickles is the Government hatchet man sent out kill off councils,,,this is start,,,it will only get worse[/p][/quote]It is such a shame that so many people are blinkered about this. The Government did a great PR job by setting about destroying the public's confidence in public servants, useless, overpaid, gold plated pensions etc. then when they'd softened the public up a bit, lets destroy local democracy and services. They did such a good job on people like Loosehead, he now 'blames' SCC employees for every Service cut. As I said, sleepwalking into it will Pickles etc must be LTAO up in Wesinster. It us sooooo sad.[/p][/quote]So your not on a final salary pension then?[/p][/quote]What has that got to do with cuts to the Youth Service in Southampton? You really are a bore of the highest order! If I remember correctly you retired at 49 with a pension (final salary no doubt) at 50! You are an Absolute Farce of a person and one of the sleewalkers I refer to. You set yourself us a defender if the people and local services yet you defend those in Westminster who seek destroy them. Idiot. thinklikealocal
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10:10pm Tue 27 Nov 12

4-front says...

Perhaps if Local Government councillors in Hampshire joined the "Big Society" as unpaid volunteers then the £7 million they claim in "expenses" annually could go towards saving valuable youth and community services? Roll the current 15 councils in Hampshire into 3 or 4 and many £ millions would be saved in CEO, senior managers' and admin. salaries and overheads!

Sadly, the current hot air generating machines in the various Council Chambers and committee meeting rooms enjoy their perceived status and the sound of their voices too much to make any such changes. Meanwhile Nero (alias Eric Pickles) in his ivory tower casts a wry eye on the turmoil he has been instrumental in generating!

Hey, ho!
Perhaps if Local Government councillors in Hampshire joined the "Big Society" as unpaid volunteers then the £7 million they claim in "expenses" annually could go towards saving valuable youth and community services? Roll the current 15 councils in Hampshire into 3 or 4 and many £ millions would be saved in CEO, senior managers' and admin. salaries and overheads! Sadly, the current hot air generating machines in the various Council Chambers and committee meeting rooms enjoy their perceived status and the sound of their voices too much to make any such changes. Meanwhile Nero (alias Eric Pickles) in his ivory tower casts a wry eye on the turmoil he has been instrumental in generating! Hey, ho! 4-front
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11:19pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Subject48 wrote:
@ Paramjit Bahia

I think the problem runs much deeper then that. Yes, self serving parasites aka the government are failing. For obvious reasons.

Integrity is a quality, which by the looks of it, is no longer desired in any indivudal under a capitalist system.

The problem is that communities, and yes, parents, are not taking responsibility for their own children.

Im consitantly astounded by what some young parents think is a priority and responsibility to their children.

In many cases people who are not fit to offer a child, a healthy and positive enviroment are becoming parents.

Unless you can stop this, the problem is never going away no matter how many youth centers you build.
Yes 'some' parents can be contributing to problems, but most parents are responsible, should not be blamed for failings of minority.

Apart from parents many other factors also play part in habits of children and youngsters.

Yes values of the society are fast disappearing, but what kind of economic political and social system has caused it is too serious subject, which most people hesitate to talk about. Because they don't want to face few truths, which may not fit in with their stated greed based views.
Walking around my estate at night & seeing young children out late at night I'm sorry but responsible parenting?
Some can't even be bothered to take their young children down to the play area & keep an eye on them so the child goes by them selves with no responsible adult any where?
They talk to perfect strangers & don't seem to know the danger they're in by doing that.
There are Church Halls where the local vicars would be more than willing for a youth club to be held if parents were responsible for the children ,
I'm sure if asked Boys Brigades?girl guides/scouts could be set up in these places to give the youth something to do.
We aren't looking after ourselves we want other people to do it for us.
If I'm not wrong FM2 takes her children to football, & various other activities that's being a good parent & that's the responsibility you take on when you have children not to tell them to go out & play as your getting on my nerves attitude. my mum used to pack us off with my older sister in the holidays to the sports centre so she could sit & talk to her Neighbours is that being a good parent?
Loosehead, you are entitled your views, but don't expect me to share those.

As already said apart from parents there are many other factors which also influence children's behaviour. That also include the greed and selfishness etc you and likes of you keep on preaching.

If you are really serious about your BS Big Society then why have you not resolved the problem in your own neighbourhood? Because it is meaningless Tory sound bite and excuse for cuts. That is why even your Moulton has refused to rule out cuts under Tories.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: @ Paramjit Bahia I think the problem runs much deeper then that. Yes, self serving parasites aka the government are failing. For obvious reasons. Integrity is a quality, which by the looks of it, is no longer desired in any indivudal under a capitalist system. The problem is that communities, and yes, parents, are not taking responsibility for their own children. Im consitantly astounded by what some young parents think is a priority and responsibility to their children. In many cases people who are not fit to offer a child, a healthy and positive enviroment are becoming parents. Unless you can stop this, the problem is never going away no matter how many youth centers you build.[/p][/quote]Yes 'some' parents can be contributing to problems, but most parents are responsible, should not be blamed for failings of minority. Apart from parents many other factors also play part in habits of children and youngsters. Yes values of the society are fast disappearing, but what kind of economic political and social system has caused it is too serious subject, which most people hesitate to talk about. Because they don't want to face few truths, which may not fit in with their stated greed based views.[/p][/quote]Walking around my estate at night & seeing young children out late at night I'm sorry but responsible parenting? Some can't even be bothered to take their young children down to the play area & keep an eye on them so the child goes by them selves with no responsible adult any where? They talk to perfect strangers & don't seem to know the danger they're in by doing that. There are Church Halls where the local vicars would be more than willing for a youth club to be held if parents were responsible for the children , I'm sure if asked Boys Brigades?girl guides/scouts could be set up in these places to give the youth something to do. We aren't looking after ourselves we want other people to do it for us. If I'm not wrong FM2 takes her children to football, & various other activities that's being a good parent & that's the responsibility you take on when you have children not to tell them to go out & play as your getting on my nerves attitude. my mum used to pack us off with my older sister in the holidays to the sports centre so she could sit & talk to her Neighbours is that being a good parent?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, you are entitled your views, but don't expect me to share those. As already said apart from parents there are many other factors which also influence children's behaviour. That also include the greed and selfishness etc you and likes of you keep on preaching. If you are really serious about your BS Big Society then why have you not resolved the problem in your own neighbourhood? Because it is meaningless Tory sound bite and excuse for cuts. That is why even your Moulton has refused to rule out cuts under Tories. Paramjit Bahia
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12:27am Wed 28 Nov 12

Rights&Justice4YP says...

Over the Edge wrote:
The Big Society put to the test,,,well it sure is,,,volunteers, churches and charities run many youth projects/ sessions citywide,,,,however most are supported by the local authority,,,,many cannot afford CRB checks to be done,,,,child protection training,,,,many do not the rules regarding Ofsted all of this support comes from mainly from the local authority,,,,,youth service provision got slashed under the Tories locally during the last cull,,,,the East of Southampton has not had youth workers for the last 2 years,,,,youth centres were closed and sold off back then,,,,,all political parties should hang their heads in shame,,, they have all failed in their duty,,,,many funders will only fund for additional youth projects beyond statutory provision,,,without statutory provision they will not fund the churches and charities,,,,a very sorry state of affairs
The East of the City has around 3 youth clubs, Last year 4 evening sessions of 2 hous pw were slashed to 1 evening pw of 2 hours! Outreach Youth Workers "great one's" i might add were slashed...Outreach Workers reached out to some really hard to reach kids, they then gave them a safe, warm place to chill, learn, be aspired! took us off the streets basically! It must be really hard for the Youth Workers that are left right now!
There are a lot of bad things happening in the City as a City we are right up there with big Cities, Manchester London etc according to crime statistics. I say bring back outeach workers, bring back 4 nights a week Youth Clubs as it keeps Youngers off the streets. it keeps them safe it really does!
I agree that all political parties should hang their heads in shame as they are all totally out of touch with what is trully going on. I would like to hear what the Police & PCSO's think of this and also the Chief Executive's of Children's Services, surely they are in touch with their work force reports?
Why not take some cash from MP's expenses allowance or from the cultural quarters which is going to look just great in an almost deralict City Centre great view if you work at Guildhall Square!
Very sad vision of thoes in charge!
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: The Big Society put to the test,,,well it sure is,,,volunteers, churches and charities run many youth projects/ sessions citywide,,,,however most are supported by the local authority,,,,many cannot afford CRB checks to be done,,,,child protection training,,,,many do not the rules regarding Ofsted all of this support comes from mainly from the local authority,,,,,youth service provision got slashed under the Tories locally during the last cull,,,,the East of Southampton has not had youth workers for the last 2 years,,,,youth centres were closed and sold off back then,,,,,all political parties should hang their heads in shame,,, they have all failed in their duty,,,,many funders will only fund for additional youth projects beyond statutory provision,,,without statutory provision they will not fund the churches and charities,,,,a very sorry state of affairs[/p][/quote]The East of the City has around 3 youth clubs, Last year 4 evening sessions of 2 hous pw were slashed to 1 evening pw of 2 hours! Outreach Youth Workers "great one's" i might add were slashed...Outreach Workers reached out to some really hard to reach kids, they then gave them a safe, warm place to chill, learn, be aspired! took us off the streets basically! It must be really hard for the Youth Workers that are left right now! There are a lot of bad things happening in the City as a City we are right up there with big Cities, Manchester London etc according to crime statistics. I say bring back outeach workers, bring back 4 nights a week Youth Clubs as it keeps Youngers off the streets. it keeps them safe it really does! I agree that all political parties should hang their heads in shame as they are all totally out of touch with what is trully going on. I would like to hear what the Police & PCSO's think of this and also the Chief Executive's of Children's Services, surely they are in touch with their work force reports? Why not take some cash from MP's expenses allowance or from the cultural quarters which is going to look just great in an almost deralict City Centre great view if you work at Guildhall Square! Very sad vision of thoes in charge! Rights&Justice4YP
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8:06am Wed 28 Nov 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Over the Edge wrote: Political ideaology,,,is exactly what it is,,,Local Government will be a thing of the past if the nutters currently in Westminster elected again in 2015,,near no every council in the country are facing the same decisions,,,Eric Pickles is the Government hatchet man sent out kill off councils,,,this is start,,,it will only get worse
It is such a shame that so many people are blinkered about this. The Government did a great PR job by setting about destroying the public's confidence in public servants, useless, overpaid, gold plated pensions etc. then when they'd softened the public up a bit, lets destroy local democracy and services. They did such a good job on people like Loosehead, he now 'blames' SCC employees for every Service cut. As I said, sleepwalking into it will Pickles etc must be LTAO up in Wesinster. It us sooooo sad.
So your not on a final salary pension then?
What has that got to do with cuts to the Youth Service in Southampton? You really are a bore of the highest order! If I remember correctly you retired at 49 with a pension (final salary no doubt) at 50! You are an Absolute Farce of a person and one of the sleewalkers I refer to. You set yourself us a defender if the people and local services yet you defend those in Westminster who seek destroy them. Idiot.
Sorry but you really are blinkered when you read these posts aren't you?
if you read my posts not just attacked them you'll find out I supplemented my pension with £38,000 of my redundancy pay,No it was not a final salary pension.
It's not my fault you & 300 of the 4,000 council workers are for yourselfs is it?
The two conveners wanted pay restoration & you 300 followed like sheep & voted for it bugger the consequences.
Now your upset when we point out those consequences?
Didn't you have a vote to not buy or read the Echo?
Why are you breaking that vote by commenting on here?
restore the pay cuts & keep child services pretty easy really or don't you care about the youth?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Political ideaology,,,is exactly what it is,,,Local Government will be a thing of the past if the nutters currently in Westminster elected again in 2015,,near no every council in the country are facing the same decisions,,,Eric Pickles is the Government hatchet man sent out kill off councils,,,this is start,,,it will only get worse[/p][/quote]It is such a shame that so many people are blinkered about this. The Government did a great PR job by setting about destroying the public's confidence in public servants, useless, overpaid, gold plated pensions etc. then when they'd softened the public up a bit, lets destroy local democracy and services. They did such a good job on people like Loosehead, he now 'blames' SCC employees for every Service cut. As I said, sleepwalking into it will Pickles etc must be LTAO up in Wesinster. It us sooooo sad.[/p][/quote]So your not on a final salary pension then?[/p][/quote]What has that got to do with cuts to the Youth Service in Southampton? You really are a bore of the highest order! If I remember correctly you retired at 49 with a pension (final salary no doubt) at 50! You are an Absolute Farce of a person and one of the sleewalkers I refer to. You set yourself us a defender if the people and local services yet you defend those in Westminster who seek destroy them. Idiot.[/p][/quote]Sorry but you really are blinkered when you read these posts aren't you? if you read my posts not just attacked them you'll find out I supplemented my pension with £38,000 of my redundancy pay,No it was not a final salary pension. It's not my fault you & 300 of the 4,000 council workers are for yourselfs is it? The two conveners wanted pay restoration & you 300 followed like sheep & voted for it bugger the consequences. Now your upset when we point out those consequences? Didn't you have a vote to not buy or read the Echo? Why are you breaking that vote by commenting on here? restore the pay cuts & keep child services pretty easy really or don't you care about the youth? loosehead
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8:16am Wed 28 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Subject48 wrote:
@ Paramjit Bahia

I think the problem runs much deeper then that. Yes, self serving parasites aka the government are failing. For obvious reasons.

Integrity is a quality, which by the looks of it, is no longer desired in any indivudal under a capitalist system.

The problem is that communities, and yes, parents, are not taking responsibility for their own children.

Im consitantly astounded by what some young parents think is a priority and responsibility to their children.

In many cases people who are not fit to offer a child, a healthy and positive enviroment are becoming parents.

Unless you can stop this, the problem is never going away no matter how many youth centers you build.
Yes 'some' parents can be contributing to problems, but most parents are responsible, should not be blamed for failings of minority.

Apart from parents many other factors also play part in habits of children and youngsters.

Yes values of the society are fast disappearing, but what kind of economic political and social system has caused it is too serious subject, which most people hesitate to talk about. Because they don't want to face few truths, which may not fit in with their stated greed based views.
Walking around my estate at night & seeing young children out late at night I'm sorry but responsible parenting?
Some can't even be bothered to take their young children down to the play area & keep an eye on them so the child goes by them selves with no responsible adult any where?
They talk to perfect strangers & don't seem to know the danger they're in by doing that.
There are Church Halls where the local vicars would be more than willing for a youth club to be held if parents were responsible for the children ,
I'm sure if asked Boys Brigades?girl guides/scouts could be set up in these places to give the youth something to do.
We aren't looking after ourselves we want other people to do it for us.
If I'm not wrong FM2 takes her children to football, & various other activities that's being a good parent & that's the responsibility you take on when you have children not to tell them to go out & play as your getting on my nerves attitude. my mum used to pack us off with my older sister in the holidays to the sports centre so she could sit & talk to her Neighbours is that being a good parent?
Loosehead, you are entitled your views, but don't expect me to share those.

As already said apart from parents there are many other factors which also influence children's behaviour. That also include the greed and selfishness etc you and likes of you keep on preaching.

If you are really serious about your BS Big Society then why have you not resolved the problem in your own neighbourhood? Because it is meaningless Tory sound bite and excuse for cuts. That is why even your Moulton has refused to rule out cuts under Tories.
So going into Oasis school coaching Rugby, Turning up every Sunday no matter the weather to coach Rugby after getting many promises of attendance from Oasis pupils only for no one to turn up makes me out to be selfish does it?
Keep on preaching? please tell me where?
A couple/person takes on the responsibility of a child the second they create a life.
Many will take that seriously many won't.
Are you telling me the parents who don't give a **** aren't selfish?
to some having children is an end to the means.
Have children get a house/flat & Social will provide do you honestly believe these parents could give a ****?
Many Tory voters put them selves out to assist in coaching sports for the youth are you telling me we don't because we're selfish Tories?
This is about good & bad Parenting you don't have to be poor to be bad & you don't have to be rich to be good.
I suggested closer contact with local church halls & parents setting up youth clubs by themselves how's that being selfish?
Sorry Paramjit your out of order saying that
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: @ Paramjit Bahia I think the problem runs much deeper then that. Yes, self serving parasites aka the government are failing. For obvious reasons. Integrity is a quality, which by the looks of it, is no longer desired in any indivudal under a capitalist system. The problem is that communities, and yes, parents, are not taking responsibility for their own children. Im consitantly astounded by what some young parents think is a priority and responsibility to their children. In many cases people who are not fit to offer a child, a healthy and positive enviroment are becoming parents. Unless you can stop this, the problem is never going away no matter how many youth centers you build.[/p][/quote]Yes 'some' parents can be contributing to problems, but most parents are responsible, should not be blamed for failings of minority. Apart from parents many other factors also play part in habits of children and youngsters. Yes values of the society are fast disappearing, but what kind of economic political and social system has caused it is too serious subject, which most people hesitate to talk about. Because they don't want to face few truths, which may not fit in with their stated greed based views.[/p][/quote]Walking around my estate at night & seeing young children out late at night I'm sorry but responsible parenting? Some can't even be bothered to take their young children down to the play area & keep an eye on them so the child goes by them selves with no responsible adult any where? They talk to perfect strangers & don't seem to know the danger they're in by doing that. There are Church Halls where the local vicars would be more than willing for a youth club to be held if parents were responsible for the children , I'm sure if asked Boys Brigades?girl guides/scouts could be set up in these places to give the youth something to do. We aren't looking after ourselves we want other people to do it for us. If I'm not wrong FM2 takes her children to football, & various other activities that's being a good parent & that's the responsibility you take on when you have children not to tell them to go out & play as your getting on my nerves attitude. my mum used to pack us off with my older sister in the holidays to the sports centre so she could sit & talk to her Neighbours is that being a good parent?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, you are entitled your views, but don't expect me to share those. As already said apart from parents there are many other factors which also influence children's behaviour. That also include the greed and selfishness etc you and likes of you keep on preaching. If you are really serious about your BS Big Society then why have you not resolved the problem in your own neighbourhood? Because it is meaningless Tory sound bite and excuse for cuts. That is why even your Moulton has refused to rule out cuts under Tories.[/p][/quote]So going into Oasis school coaching Rugby, Turning up every Sunday no matter the weather to coach Rugby after getting many promises of attendance from Oasis pupils only for no one to turn up makes me out to be selfish does it? Keep on preaching? please tell me where? A couple/person takes on the responsibility of a child the second they create a life. Many will take that seriously many won't. Are you telling me the parents who don't give a **** aren't selfish? to some having children is an end to the means. Have children get a house/flat & Social will provide do you honestly believe these parents could give a ****? Many Tory voters put them selves out to assist in coaching sports for the youth are you telling me we don't because we're selfish Tories? This is about good & bad Parenting you don't have to be poor to be bad & you don't have to be rich to be good. I suggested closer contact with local church halls & parents setting up youth clubs by themselves how's that being selfish? Sorry Paramjit your out of order saying that loosehead
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8:26am Wed 28 Nov 12

FoysCornerBoy says...

Rights&Justice4Y
P
wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
The Big Society put to the test,,,well it sure is,,,volunteers, churches and charities run many youth projects/ sessions citywide,,,,however most are supported by the local authority,,,,many cannot afford CRB checks to be done,,,,child protection training,,,,many do not the rules regarding Ofsted all of this support comes from mainly from the local authority,,,,,youth service provision got slashed under the Tories locally during the last cull,,,,the East of Southampton has not had youth workers for the last 2 years,,,,youth centres were closed and sold off back then,,,,,all political parties should hang their heads in shame,,, they have all failed in their duty,,,,many funders will only fund for additional youth projects beyond statutory provision,,,without statutory provision they will not fund the churches and charities,,,,a very sorry state of affairs
The East of the City has around 3 youth clubs, Last year 4 evening sessions of 2 hous pw were slashed to 1 evening pw of 2 hours! Outreach Youth Workers "great one's" i might add were slashed...Outreach Workers reached out to some really hard to reach kids, they then gave them a safe, warm place to chill, learn, be aspired! took us off the streets basically! It must be really hard for the Youth Workers that are left right now!
There are a lot of bad things happening in the City as a City we are right up there with big Cities, Manchester London etc according to crime statistics. I say bring back outeach workers, bring back 4 nights a week Youth Clubs as it keeps Youngers off the streets. it keeps them safe it really does!
I agree that all political parties should hang their heads in shame as they are all totally out of touch with what is trully going on. I would like to hear what the Police & PCSO's think of this and also the Chief Executive's of Children's Services, surely they are in touch with their work force reports?
Why not take some cash from MP's expenses allowance or from the cultural quarters which is going to look just great in an almost deralict City Centre great view if you work at Guildhall Square!
Very sad vision of thoes in charge!
Cameron's 'Big Society' went up in flames in the summer of 2011; its last hurrah was Boris Johnson and his Clapham Junction broom brigade.

The devastation of youth services by central government's lack of funding for local authorities, coming on top of the disgraceful removal of EMA and the impending assault on young people's benefit entitlement, are a recipe for chaos.

I predict a riot.
[quote][p][bold]Rights&Justice4Y P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: The Big Society put to the test,,,well it sure is,,,volunteers, churches and charities run many youth projects/ sessions citywide,,,,however most are supported by the local authority,,,,many cannot afford CRB checks to be done,,,,child protection training,,,,many do not the rules regarding Ofsted all of this support comes from mainly from the local authority,,,,,youth service provision got slashed under the Tories locally during the last cull,,,,the East of Southampton has not had youth workers for the last 2 years,,,,youth centres were closed and sold off back then,,,,,all political parties should hang their heads in shame,,, they have all failed in their duty,,,,many funders will only fund for additional youth projects beyond statutory provision,,,without statutory provision they will not fund the churches and charities,,,,a very sorry state of affairs[/p][/quote]The East of the City has around 3 youth clubs, Last year 4 evening sessions of 2 hous pw were slashed to 1 evening pw of 2 hours! Outreach Youth Workers "great one's" i might add were slashed...Outreach Workers reached out to some really hard to reach kids, they then gave them a safe, warm place to chill, learn, be aspired! took us off the streets basically! It must be really hard for the Youth Workers that are left right now! There are a lot of bad things happening in the City as a City we are right up there with big Cities, Manchester London etc according to crime statistics. I say bring back outeach workers, bring back 4 nights a week Youth Clubs as it keeps Youngers off the streets. it keeps them safe it really does! I agree that all political parties should hang their heads in shame as they are all totally out of touch with what is trully going on. I would like to hear what the Police & PCSO's think of this and also the Chief Executive's of Children's Services, surely they are in touch with their work force reports? Why not take some cash from MP's expenses allowance or from the cultural quarters which is going to look just great in an almost deralict City Centre great view if you work at Guildhall Square! Very sad vision of thoes in charge![/p][/quote]Cameron's 'Big Society' went up in flames in the summer of 2011; its last hurrah was Boris Johnson and his Clapham Junction broom brigade. The devastation of youth services by central government's lack of funding for local authorities, coming on top of the disgraceful removal of EMA and the impending assault on young people's benefit entitlement, are a recipe for chaos. I predict a riot. FoysCornerBoy
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8:55am Wed 28 Nov 12

Taskforce 141 says...

The way the cuts are happening is because they are too deep and too fast. In summary the government will be axing ALL NON-STATUTORY SERVICES, be it this year, next year or the year after, the only services left will be the ones required by law...
The way the cuts are happening is because they are too deep and too fast. In summary the government will be axing ALL NON-STATUTORY SERVICES, be it this year, next year or the year after, the only services left will be the ones required by law... Taskforce 141
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11:17am Wed 28 Nov 12

stay local says...

southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know!

Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues.

where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over!
I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects).
Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government
Hi Peter, did you say you were taking pictures in the Council Chamber? You ***** old man.... Hope you did not sell those to Murdock owned Sun!
lol not in the council chambers but out side, an idea lo sun news paper
Southy you would find it hard to qualify as a fool. Your admissions on this page are.
1 There is millions of spare cash, to spend on schools and youth clubs.
2 You can't remember how much it was.
3 Your source of evidence would have been you note book (so no independent verification there then)
4 Now you say you were too busy to take notes, because you were taking photographs.
5 You were not in the council chamber as you were taking photographs outside.

To précis your input. You have no knowledge about the money, no records of the discussion and you were not there, because you were taking photos outside. Priceless!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know! Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues. where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over![/p][/quote]I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects). Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government[/p][/quote]Hi Peter, did you say you were taking pictures in the Council Chamber? You ***** old man.... Hope you did not sell those to Murdock owned Sun![/p][/quote]lol not in the council chambers but out side, an idea lo sun news paper[/p][/quote]Southy you would find it hard to qualify as a fool. Your admissions on this page are. 1 There is millions of spare cash, to spend on schools and youth clubs. 2 You can't remember how much it was. 3 Your source of evidence would have been you note book (so no independent verification there then) 4 Now you say you were too busy to take notes, because you were taking photographs. 5 You were not in the council chamber as you were taking photographs outside. To précis your input. You have no knowledge about the money, no records of the discussion and you were not there, because you were taking photos outside. Priceless!! stay local
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11:43am Wed 28 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

Me and loosehead disagree on many points, but we both agree, you cannot blame the government for people who cant, wont, dont want to look after their children properly.

A young girl(7?8?) knock on my door early on one saturday morning holding an iphone (I dont even have one) asking for sweets couple months back.

I have met people who decided to have a child because it "will be cool" and enable them to get a council property.

This minority you talk Pramjit, is the minority that uses the youth centres. Proper parents will bend over backwards to ensure their child can pursue their hobby/sport. Keep them safe.

Bad parenting is bad parenting. End of. The problem does run a lot deeper then these recent cuts.

The problem is people kowing full well if they have a child they will be provided for. This is a very wrong mindset which has been enabled by our society.

Unless you apply strict population controls youre not going to change anything. What western/global society needs is a form of "child permits" or something similiar. Like they do in china.

We find it perfectly acceptable to controll over species on our planet which are over-breeding/overpo
pulating and creating problems. We must grow up and apply the same rules to us. We are overreching our limits.

Many people will find this idea very alien and absurd, but I would find it interesting to see who can can deny the logic.

To put it another way, to get a gun i need a permit. But I dont need one to make a child, not raise it properly who will then go out and harm/kill others.
Me and loosehead disagree on many points, but we both agree, you cannot blame the government for people who cant, wont, dont want to look after their children properly. A young girl(7?8?) knock on my door early on one saturday morning holding an iphone (I dont even have one) asking for sweets couple months back. I have met people who decided to have a child because it "will be cool" and enable them to get a council property. This minority you talk Pramjit, is the minority that uses the youth centres. Proper parents will bend over backwards to ensure their child can pursue their hobby/sport. Keep them safe. Bad parenting is bad parenting. End of. The problem does run a lot deeper then these recent cuts. The problem is people kowing full well if they have a child they will be provided for. This is a very wrong mindset which has been enabled by our society. Unless you apply strict population controls youre not going to change anything. What western/global society needs is a form of "child permits" or something similiar. Like they do in china. We find it perfectly acceptable to controll over species on our planet which are over-breeding/overpo pulating and creating problems. We must grow up and apply the same rules to us. We are overreching our limits. Many people will find this idea very alien and absurd, but I would find it interesting to see who can can deny the logic. To put it another way, to get a gun i need a permit. But I dont need one to make a child, not raise it properly who will then go out and harm/kill others. Subject48
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12:23pm Wed 28 Nov 12

loosehead says...

stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
There is spare money that could be used to keep these open.
Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form.

Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know!

Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues.

where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over!
I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects).
Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government
Hi Peter, did you say you were taking pictures in the Council Chamber? You ***** old man.... Hope you did not sell those to Murdock owned Sun!
lol not in the council chambers but out side, an idea lo sun news paper
Southy you would find it hard to qualify as a fool. Your admissions on this page are.
1 There is millions of spare cash, to spend on schools and youth clubs.
2 You can't remember how much it was.
3 Your source of evidence would have been you note book (so no independent verification there then)
4 Now you say you were too busy to take notes, because you were taking photographs.
5 You were not in the council chamber as you were taking photographs outside.

To précis your input. You have no knowledge about the money, no records of the discussion and you were not there, because you were taking photos outside. Priceless!!
Just talked( sorry insulted) one of Southy's colleagues at Sainsbury's Lordshill.
I asked him how we'll pay of the debt with out cuts?
He said hit the banks I replied HSBC & other banks would go abroad & HSBC already have a large enough building in Singapore.
this idiot said "We own two thirds of HSBC" where I called him a P+++k & said if thats the extent of your knowledge & after reading Southy's post anyone who votes or believes you idiots are idiots them selves.
He said hit the banks listen we can hit the banks we own?
So we own some banks & we need to make them profitable to sell them & get our tax payers money back but let's hit them?
We don't own HSBC or Barclays we own RBS & LLoyds so we shoot ourselves in the foot & wallop our banks never getting our money back lose all private banks abroad & the tax they pay & jobs they create & the tax & NI stamp their employees pay loads of sense that is yes That's the TUSC logic for you!
[quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know! Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues. where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over![/p][/quote]I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects). Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government[/p][/quote]Hi Peter, did you say you were taking pictures in the Council Chamber? You ***** old man.... Hope you did not sell those to Murdock owned Sun![/p][/quote]lol not in the council chambers but out side, an idea lo sun news paper[/p][/quote]Southy you would find it hard to qualify as a fool. Your admissions on this page are. 1 There is millions of spare cash, to spend on schools and youth clubs. 2 You can't remember how much it was. 3 Your source of evidence would have been you note book (so no independent verification there then) 4 Now you say you were too busy to take notes, because you were taking photographs. 5 You were not in the council chamber as you were taking photographs outside. To précis your input. You have no knowledge about the money, no records of the discussion and you were not there, because you were taking photos outside. Priceless!![/p][/quote]Just talked( sorry insulted) one of Southy's colleagues at Sainsbury's Lordshill. I asked him how we'll pay of the debt with out cuts? He said hit the banks I replied HSBC & other banks would go abroad & HSBC already have a large enough building in Singapore. this idiot said "We own two thirds of HSBC" where I called him a P+++k & said if thats the extent of your knowledge & after reading Southy's post anyone who votes or believes you idiots are idiots them selves. He said hit the banks listen we can hit the banks we own? So we own some banks & we need to make them profitable to sell them & get our tax payers money back but let's hit them? We don't own HSBC or Barclays we own RBS & LLoyds so we shoot ourselves in the foot & wallop our banks never getting our money back lose all private banks abroad & the tax they pay & jobs they create & the tax & NI stamp their employees pay loads of sense that is yes That's the TUSC logic for you! loosehead
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12:31pm Wed 28 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Subject48 wrote:
Me and loosehead disagree on many points, but we both agree, you cannot blame the government for people who cant, wont, dont want to look after their children properly.

A young girl(7?8?) knock on my door early on one saturday morning holding an iphone (I dont even have one) asking for sweets couple months back.

I have met people who decided to have a child because it "will be cool" and enable them to get a council property.

This minority you talk Pramjit, is the minority that uses the youth centres. Proper parents will bend over backwards to ensure their child can pursue their hobby/sport. Keep them safe.

Bad parenting is bad parenting. End of. The problem does run a lot deeper then these recent cuts.

The problem is people kowing full well if they have a child they will be provided for. This is a very wrong mindset which has been enabled by our society.

Unless you apply strict population controls youre not going to change anything. What western/global society needs is a form of "child permits" or something similiar. Like they do in china.

We find it perfectly acceptable to controll over species on our planet which are over-breeding/overpo

pulating and creating problems. We must grow up and apply the same rules to us. We are overreching our limits.

Many people will find this idea very alien and absurd, but I would find it interesting to see who can can deny the logic.

To put it another way, to get a gun i need a permit. But I dont need one to make a child, not raise it properly who will then go out and harm/kill others.
I don't know how old you are but when you were young weren't there youth clubs in your local church?
wasn't there volunteers? or like my area did you have a youth club in your local school once again run by volunteers?
CRB checks were one reason to have paid staff instead of volunteers but surely the cost of these are so small the council could pick up the tab & let volunteers/parents run these facilities couldn't they?
If not & these parents were so concerned wouldn't they be willing to pay to have a CRB check done?
Wouldn't they be willing to volunteer their services to help organise & run a youth club?
As I've said the local churches are there why not talk to them?
No council building needed no paid council employee needed & youth clubs running but is that a pipe dream?
Do the parents really care about these kids?
Prove me & Subject48 wrong & put your names forward to run such a place!
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: Me and loosehead disagree on many points, but we both agree, you cannot blame the government for people who cant, wont, dont want to look after their children properly. A young girl(7?8?) knock on my door early on one saturday morning holding an iphone (I dont even have one) asking for sweets couple months back. I have met people who decided to have a child because it "will be cool" and enable them to get a council property. This minority you talk Pramjit, is the minority that uses the youth centres. Proper parents will bend over backwards to ensure their child can pursue their hobby/sport. Keep them safe. Bad parenting is bad parenting. End of. The problem does run a lot deeper then these recent cuts. The problem is people kowing full well if they have a child they will be provided for. This is a very wrong mindset which has been enabled by our society. Unless you apply strict population controls youre not going to change anything. What western/global society needs is a form of "child permits" or something similiar. Like they do in china. We find it perfectly acceptable to controll over species on our planet which are over-breeding/overpo pulating and creating problems. We must grow up and apply the same rules to us. We are overreching our limits. Many people will find this idea very alien and absurd, but I would find it interesting to see who can can deny the logic. To put it another way, to get a gun i need a permit. But I dont need one to make a child, not raise it properly who will then go out and harm/kill others.[/p][/quote]I don't know how old you are but when you were young weren't there youth clubs in your local church? wasn't there volunteers? or like my area did you have a youth club in your local school once again run by volunteers? CRB checks were one reason to have paid staff instead of volunteers but surely the cost of these are so small the council could pick up the tab & let volunteers/parents run these facilities couldn't they? If not & these parents were so concerned wouldn't they be willing to pay to have a CRB check done? Wouldn't they be willing to volunteer their services to help organise & run a youth club? As I've said the local churches are there why not talk to them? No council building needed no paid council employee needed & youth clubs running but is that a pipe dream? Do the parents really care about these kids? Prove me & Subject48 wrong & put your names forward to run such a place! loosehead
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12:32pm Wed 28 Nov 12

rich the stitch says...

loosehead wrote:
stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.
That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?
This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.
I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know! Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues. where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over!
I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects). Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government
Hi Peter, did you say you were taking pictures in the Council Chamber? You ***** old man.... Hope you did not sell those to Murdock owned Sun!
lol not in the council chambers but out side, an idea lo sun news paper
Southy you would find it hard to qualify as a fool. Your admissions on this page are. 1 There is millions of spare cash, to spend on schools and youth clubs. 2 You can't remember how much it was. 3 Your source of evidence would have been you note book (so no independent verification there then) 4 Now you say you were too busy to take notes, because you were taking photographs. 5 You were not in the council chamber as you were taking photographs outside. To précis your input. You have no knowledge about the money, no records of the discussion and you were not there, because you were taking photos outside. Priceless!!
Just talked( sorry insulted) one of Southy's colleagues at Sainsbury's Lordshill. I asked him how we'll pay of the debt with out cuts? He said hit the banks I replied HSBC & other banks would go abroad & HSBC already have a large enough building in Singapore. this idiot said "We own two thirds of HSBC" where I called him a P+++k & said if thats the extent of your knowledge & after reading Southy's post anyone who votes or believes you idiots are idiots them selves. He said hit the banks listen we can hit the banks we own? So we own some banks & we need to make them profitable to sell them & get our tax payers money back but let's hit them? We don't own HSBC or Barclays we own RBS & LLoyds so we shoot ourselves in the foot & wallop our banks never getting our money back lose all private banks abroad & the tax they pay & jobs they create & the tax & NI stamp their employees pay loads of sense that is yes That's the TUSC logic for you!
Would love to hear Southy's comments on both of the above, but I'm sure he's scappered off to another thread as he can't defend himself any longer on this one. As someone said before, I bet TUSC members cringe when they see his comments on here.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: There is spare money that could be used to keep these open. Come on Ian Woodland start fighting and help to keep these places open.[/p][/quote]That's good news, where is this spare money and how much is it?[/p][/quote]This where you lack in many things by not being in the know or active in politics in any form. Youth Clubs comes under education, there is a few millions not to sure on the figure (it maybe around £11 million) spare in the education budget, maybe Simon Letts will post and say what is the figure figure is.[/p][/quote]I'm not aware of spare money Southy, and I do have a lot to do with LG as you know! Education is the only budget that's ring fenced but it's suffering cuts the same as any other. The SEN Travel budget is one which is struggling to save money as it's one of the biggest expenses. to be fair the Council are being really proactive and thinking of other ways/avenues to support these children with transport issues. where is the spare money? please enlighten us to the exact budget page on the website where it exists... there is money left in this year's budget of course as budgets end on 31st March, so if there's spare money this year there won't be next year as they're not allowed to carry money over![/p][/quote]I was at the November Council Budget meeting when Nick C spoke to the council on the chamber floor and Councillor Letts made the reply, I never had my note book with me this time as I was taking pictures of the event for the TUSC and SP, But the Education budget did come up and the Millions that was spare (not been ear mark for any education projects). Yes I know they are not allowed to carry it over, so it would be better to spend it on such things for the youth clubs than to hand it back to National Government[/p][/quote]Hi Peter, did you say you were taking pictures in the Council Chamber? You ***** old man.... Hope you did not sell those to Murdock owned Sun![/p][/quote]lol not in the council chambers but out side, an idea lo sun news paper[/p][/quote]Southy you would find it hard to qualify as a fool. Your admissions on this page are. 1 There is millions of spare cash, to spend on schools and youth clubs. 2 You can't remember how much it was. 3 Your source of evidence would have been you note book (so no independent verification there then) 4 Now you say you were too busy to take notes, because you were taking photographs. 5 You were not in the council chamber as you were taking photographs outside. To précis your input. You have no knowledge about the money, no records of the discussion and you were not there, because you were taking photos outside. Priceless!![/p][/quote]Just talked( sorry insulted) one of Southy's colleagues at Sainsbury's Lordshill. I asked him how we'll pay of the debt with out cuts? He said hit the banks I replied HSBC & other banks would go abroad & HSBC already have a large enough building in Singapore. this idiot said "We own two thirds of HSBC" where I called him a P+++k & said if thats the extent of your knowledge & after reading Southy's post anyone who votes or believes you idiots are idiots them selves. He said hit the banks listen we can hit the banks we own? So we own some banks & we need to make them profitable to sell them & get our tax payers money back but let's hit them? We don't own HSBC or Barclays we own RBS & LLoyds so we shoot ourselves in the foot & wallop our banks never getting our money back lose all private banks abroad & the tax they pay & jobs they create & the tax & NI stamp their employees pay loads of sense that is yes That's the TUSC logic for you![/p][/quote]Would love to hear Southy's comments on both of the above, but I'm sure he's scappered off to another thread as he can't defend himself any longer on this one. As someone said before, I bet TUSC members cringe when they see his comments on here. rich the stitch
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