Battle to save Barton Farm ‘is finally lost’

Daily Echo: Battle to save Barton Farm ‘is finally lost’ Battle to save Barton Farm ‘is finally lost’

IT looks that finally, after some 17 years, the battle to save Barton Farm has been lost.

Campaigners have decided to give up their fight against development on the farmland on the northern edge of Winchester.

Campaign leader Gavin Blackman predicted that Barton Farm would make inevitable further house-building over Wellhouse Lane up to the A34 and Three Maids Hill.

Mr Blackman, chairman of the Save Barton Farm Group, said legal advice on challenging the outline planning permission for 2,000 homes was unlikely to succeed.

The costs could be upwards of £50,000, said Mr Blackman.

He said: “We could not raise the funds and there was no guarantee we would be able to. We wanted to take it forward but we could not afford to.

“The feeling now is that Barton farm is a done deal. The decision now is whether we become Shape Barton Farm rather than Save Barton Farm. I don’t want to be part of Shape Barton Farm. I don’t care what it will look like.

“I don’t think people are clear on what impact this is going to have. I’m disappointed and perplexed there is not more fuss being made about it.”

On Barton Farm Two, he said: “It will go further. The infrastructure will be there.

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“There is nothing to stop it going further north.”

Mr Blackman said he was still interested in national lobbying to alter Government policy to encourage more brownfield development.

Mike Emett, development director at Cala Homes, said: “I’m pleased we will now be able to get on and deliver the housing the city desperately needs.”

Cala expects to undertake a public consultation in January before it submits a detailed planning application in the middle of 2013.

Mr Emett said he hoped to be building by spring 2014.

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12:43pm Wed 28 Nov 12

ohec says...

Great news for everybody except the nimby brigade, you never see younger people in these demonstrators pictures because every person in that picture will have their nice house already and they don't give two hoots about anybody else, selfish barstewards.
Great news for everybody except the nimby brigade, you never see younger people in these demonstrators pictures because every person in that picture will have their nice house already and they don't give two hoots about anybody else, selfish barstewards. ohec
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12:53pm Wed 28 Nov 12

murfmeister says...

theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development
theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development murfmeister
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2:31pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

murfmeister wrote:
theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development
Really? You think it's that simplistic?
Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project?

Do you honestly think that Cala Homes are remotely interested in 'Solving the Winchester housing crisis'

If it were not for these 'Nimbys' government, developers, and other commercial parties would run roughshod throughout our green and pleasant land to the detriment of all.

Winchester city council sent out a fanfare yesterday because it agreed the first new council houses (5 of them!) for nearly thirty years in the area, so do you honestly think that they're that bothered about any housing crisis either?

The fact is that most averagely paid individuals and first time buyers won't be able to afford the houses that will be built, so what the developer is doing is creating another wealthy, affluent enclave in Winchester, whilst generating huge profits for themselves.

So is this a victory for the average man, or is it victory for corporates, lobbyists and legals?
[quote][p][bold]murfmeister[/bold] wrote: theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development[/p][/quote]Really? You think it's that simplistic? Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project? Do you honestly think that Cala Homes are remotely interested in 'Solving the Winchester housing crisis' If it were not for these 'Nimbys' government, developers, and other commercial parties would run roughshod throughout our green and pleasant land to the detriment of all. Winchester city council sent out a fanfare yesterday because it agreed the first new council houses (5 of them!) for nearly thirty years in the area, so do you honestly think that they're that bothered about any housing crisis either? The fact is that most averagely paid individuals and first time buyers won't be able to afford the houses that will be built, so what the developer is doing is creating another wealthy, affluent enclave in Winchester, whilst generating huge profits for themselves. So is this a victory for the average man, or is it victory for corporates, lobbyists and legals? Ted Rogers
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2:49pm Wed 28 Nov 12

one in a million says...

NIMBY is such a buzzword...how clever....
NIMBY is such a buzzword...how clever.... one in a million
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3:24pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Yves1977 says...

Ted Rogers asks: "Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project?"
The answer: 800 out of 2,000 will be for renting to people on the Winchester City Council waiting list
Ted Rogers asks: "Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project?" The answer: 800 out of 2,000 will be for renting to people on the Winchester City Council waiting list Yves1977
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4:04pm Wed 28 Nov 12

ohec says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
murfmeister wrote:
theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development
Really? You think it's that simplistic?
Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project?

Do you honestly think that Cala Homes are remotely interested in 'Solving the Winchester housing crisis'

If it were not for these 'Nimbys' government, developers, and other commercial parties would run roughshod throughout our green and pleasant land to the detriment of all.

Winchester city council sent out a fanfare yesterday because it agreed the first new council houses (5 of them!) for nearly thirty years in the area, so do you honestly think that they're that bothered about any housing crisis either?

The fact is that most averagely paid individuals and first time buyers won't be able to afford the houses that will be built, so what the developer is doing is creating another wealthy, affluent enclave in Winchester, whilst generating huge profits for themselves.

So is this a victory for the average man, or is it victory for corporates, lobbyists and legals?
Oh dear how naive you are even if they are beyond the reach of first time buyers it will still allow first time buyers of the past to move up the so called ladder thereby releasing other properties for first time buyers its a chain effect, and if as Yves 1977 posts 800 will be for social housing then that has got to be good news. As far as our green and pleasant land is concerned there is plenty of that left and even if there wasn't where would you propose people live, there is no doubt that our country is overcrowded but people still need homes whether they be immigrants or indigenous we cant punish people for our governments mistakes in allowing our country to become so overpopulated.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murfmeister[/bold] wrote: theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development[/p][/quote]Really? You think it's that simplistic? Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project? Do you honestly think that Cala Homes are remotely interested in 'Solving the Winchester housing crisis' If it were not for these 'Nimbys' government, developers, and other commercial parties would run roughshod throughout our green and pleasant land to the detriment of all. Winchester city council sent out a fanfare yesterday because it agreed the first new council houses (5 of them!) for nearly thirty years in the area, so do you honestly think that they're that bothered about any housing crisis either? The fact is that most averagely paid individuals and first time buyers won't be able to afford the houses that will be built, so what the developer is doing is creating another wealthy, affluent enclave in Winchester, whilst generating huge profits for themselves. So is this a victory for the average man, or is it victory for corporates, lobbyists and legals?[/p][/quote]Oh dear how naive you are even if they are beyond the reach of first time buyers it will still allow first time buyers of the past to move up the so called ladder thereby releasing other properties for first time buyers its a chain effect, and if as Yves 1977 posts 800 will be for social housing then that has got to be good news. As far as our green and pleasant land is concerned there is plenty of that left and even if there wasn't where would you propose people live, there is no doubt that our country is overcrowded but people still need homes whether they be immigrants or indigenous we cant punish people for our governments mistakes in allowing our country to become so overpopulated. ohec
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4:16pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

Yves1977 wrote:
Ted Rogers asks: "Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project?" The answer: 800 out of 2,000 will be for renting to people on the Winchester City Council waiting list
Let's see when they're built how many people on the Winchester City Council waiting list are put into those homes.
I think you'll find that those homes are earmarked for 'Key Workers' and accessible through various housing associations - which I whole heartedly approve of.
But please don't be so naive as to think this scheme is about options for the people of Winchester. You will see an extension of the commuter belt which will result in most of these houses being purchased by people living closer to London, enjoying equity in their own properties that once sold makes the Barton farm homes affordable and gives them and their young families a safer environment, access to better state schools etc.

I'm not anti-building; I think we should be more creative, expect more from our councils and elected representatives and above all help the demographics that most need it and not pander to large scale developers who have no real concerns for 'Communities'
[quote][p][bold]Yves1977[/bold] wrote: Ted Rogers asks: "Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project?" The answer: 800 out of 2,000 will be for renting to people on the Winchester City Council waiting list[/p][/quote]Let's see when they're built how many people on the Winchester City Council waiting list are put into those homes. I think you'll find that those homes are earmarked for 'Key Workers' and accessible through various housing associations - which I whole heartedly approve of. But please don't be so naive as to think this scheme is about options for the people of Winchester. You will see an extension of the commuter belt which will result in most of these houses being purchased by people living closer to London, enjoying equity in their own properties that once sold makes the Barton farm homes affordable and gives them and their young families a safer environment, access to better state schools etc. I'm not anti-building; I think we should be more creative, expect more from our councils and elected representatives and above all help the demographics that most need it and not pander to large scale developers who have no real concerns for 'Communities' Ted Rogers
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4:27pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

ohec wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
murfmeister wrote: theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development
Really? You think it's that simplistic? Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project? Do you honestly think that Cala Homes are remotely interested in 'Solving the Winchester housing crisis' If it were not for these 'Nimbys' government, developers, and other commercial parties would run roughshod throughout our green and pleasant land to the detriment of all. Winchester city council sent out a fanfare yesterday because it agreed the first new council houses (5 of them!) for nearly thirty years in the area, so do you honestly think that they're that bothered about any housing crisis either? The fact is that most averagely paid individuals and first time buyers won't be able to afford the houses that will be built, so what the developer is doing is creating another wealthy, affluent enclave in Winchester, whilst generating huge profits for themselves. So is this a victory for the average man, or is it victory for corporates, lobbyists and legals?
Oh dear how naive you are even if they are beyond the reach of first time buyers it will still allow first time buyers of the past to move up the so called ladder thereby releasing other properties for first time buyers its a chain effect, and if as Yves 1977 posts 800 will be for social housing then that has got to be good news. As far as our green and pleasant land is concerned there is plenty of that left and even if there wasn't where would you propose people live, there is no doubt that our country is overcrowded but people still need homes whether they be immigrants or indigenous we cant punish people for our governments mistakes in allowing our country to become so overpopulated.
I think your concerns are very different from mine Enoch!
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murfmeister[/bold] wrote: theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development[/p][/quote]Really? You think it's that simplistic? Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project? Do you honestly think that Cala Homes are remotely interested in 'Solving the Winchester housing crisis' If it were not for these 'Nimbys' government, developers, and other commercial parties would run roughshod throughout our green and pleasant land to the detriment of all. Winchester city council sent out a fanfare yesterday because it agreed the first new council houses (5 of them!) for nearly thirty years in the area, so do you honestly think that they're that bothered about any housing crisis either? The fact is that most averagely paid individuals and first time buyers won't be able to afford the houses that will be built, so what the developer is doing is creating another wealthy, affluent enclave in Winchester, whilst generating huge profits for themselves. So is this a victory for the average man, or is it victory for corporates, lobbyists and legals?[/p][/quote]Oh dear how naive you are even if they are beyond the reach of first time buyers it will still allow first time buyers of the past to move up the so called ladder thereby releasing other properties for first time buyers its a chain effect, and if as Yves 1977 posts 800 will be for social housing then that has got to be good news. As far as our green and pleasant land is concerned there is plenty of that left and even if there wasn't where would you propose people live, there is no doubt that our country is overcrowded but people still need homes whether they be immigrants or indigenous we cant punish people for our governments mistakes in allowing our country to become so overpopulated.[/p][/quote]I think your concerns are very different from mine Enoch! Ted Rogers
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10:11pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

Ohec says;

"Great news for everybody except the nimby brigade, you never see younger people in these demonstrators pictures because every person in that picture will have their nice house already and they don't give two hoots about anybody else, selfish barstewards."

murmeister says;

"theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development"

Oh how your jealousy shines through. Why shouldn't they want to preserve their piece of England. I don't live in Winchester or anywhere near it, but it is mostly unspoilt and this 2,000 home plot with 800 homes to rent will turn in a disaster. But it will not end there. The predictions of building creep will be a real concern and will mostly be for let, which will eventually drag Barton Farm down. I guess from your comments, especially the cretin, that you didn't make it in life as these people did and your bedsit is a poor substitute. Never mind, even with Barton Farm I suggest they wouldn't swap with you. Back under your stones, cuz.
Ohec says; "Great news for everybody except the nimby brigade, you never see younger people in these demonstrators pictures because every person in that picture will have their nice house already and they don't give two hoots about anybody else, selfish barstewards." murmeister says; "theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development" Oh how your jealousy shines through. Why shouldn't they want to preserve their piece of England. I don't live in Winchester or anywhere near it, but it is mostly unspoilt and this 2,000 home plot with 800 homes to rent will turn in a disaster. But it will not end there. The predictions of building creep will be a real concern and will mostly be for let, which will eventually drag Barton Farm down. I guess from your comments, especially the cretin, that you didn't make it in life as these people did and your bedsit is a poor substitute. Never mind, even with Barton Farm I suggest they wouldn't swap with you. Back under your stones, cuz. Sir Ad E Noid
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10:52am Thu 29 Nov 12

ohec says...

Ted Rogers wrote:
ohec wrote:
Ted Rogers wrote:
murfmeister wrote: theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development
Really? You think it's that simplistic? Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project? Do you honestly think that Cala Homes are remotely interested in 'Solving the Winchester housing crisis' If it were not for these 'Nimbys' government, developers, and other commercial parties would run roughshod throughout our green and pleasant land to the detriment of all. Winchester city council sent out a fanfare yesterday because it agreed the first new council houses (5 of them!) for nearly thirty years in the area, so do you honestly think that they're that bothered about any housing crisis either? The fact is that most averagely paid individuals and first time buyers won't be able to afford the houses that will be built, so what the developer is doing is creating another wealthy, affluent enclave in Winchester, whilst generating huge profits for themselves. So is this a victory for the average man, or is it victory for corporates, lobbyists and legals?
Oh dear how naive you are even if they are beyond the reach of first time buyers it will still allow first time buyers of the past to move up the so called ladder thereby releasing other properties for first time buyers its a chain effect, and if as Yves 1977 posts 800 will be for social housing then that has got to be good news. As far as our green and pleasant land is concerned there is plenty of that left and even if there wasn't where would you propose people live, there is no doubt that our country is overcrowded but people still need homes whether they be immigrants or indigenous we cant punish people for our governments mistakes in allowing our country to become so overpopulated.
I think your concerns are very different from mine Enoch!
I don't mind admitting that Enoch Powell is/was my hero if only people had listened to him this country would not be in the state it is, but you are making the same mistake most fools do and that is confusing patriotism with racism yes i was once proud to be British and no i am not racist. Its all down to numbers and whichever way you look at it this country is overpopulated the natural population balance has been upset by the gross mismanagement of our countries immigration policies by all political parties, even some of our older immigrants think that our immigration policies have/are been wrong. You are one of these people that look for racism where there is none but you crave the opportunity to stand on your soap box and try and convince yourself what a great guy you are.
[quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Rogers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murfmeister[/bold] wrote: theyre just upset at the amount of social housing that comes with any new development[/p][/quote]Really? You think it's that simplistic? Do you know how much social housing is being built as part of the project? Do you honestly think that Cala Homes are remotely interested in 'Solving the Winchester housing crisis' If it were not for these 'Nimbys' government, developers, and other commercial parties would run roughshod throughout our green and pleasant land to the detriment of all. Winchester city council sent out a fanfare yesterday because it agreed the first new council houses (5 of them!) for nearly thirty years in the area, so do you honestly think that they're that bothered about any housing crisis either? The fact is that most averagely paid individuals and first time buyers won't be able to afford the houses that will be built, so what the developer is doing is creating another wealthy, affluent enclave in Winchester, whilst generating huge profits for themselves. So is this a victory for the average man, or is it victory for corporates, lobbyists and legals?[/p][/quote]Oh dear how naive you are even if they are beyond the reach of first time buyers it will still allow first time buyers of the past to move up the so called ladder thereby releasing other properties for first time buyers its a chain effect, and if as Yves 1977 posts 800 will be for social housing then that has got to be good news. As far as our green and pleasant land is concerned there is plenty of that left and even if there wasn't where would you propose people live, there is no doubt that our country is overcrowded but people still need homes whether they be immigrants or indigenous we cant punish people for our governments mistakes in allowing our country to become so overpopulated.[/p][/quote]I think your concerns are very different from mine Enoch![/p][/quote]I don't mind admitting that Enoch Powell is/was my hero if only people had listened to him this country would not be in the state it is, but you are making the same mistake most fools do and that is confusing patriotism with racism yes i was once proud to be British and no i am not racist. Its all down to numbers and whichever way you look at it this country is overpopulated the natural population balance has been upset by the gross mismanagement of our countries immigration policies by all political parties, even some of our older immigrants think that our immigration policies have/are been wrong. You are one of these people that look for racism where there is none but you crave the opportunity to stand on your soap box and try and convince yourself what a great guy you are. ohec
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