'Family from hell' facing eviction again

The 'family from hell'.

The 'family from hell'.

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Education Reporter

THEY were dubbed the family from hell after terrorising neighbours with their antisocial behaviour.

Taxpayers have paid for the family of ten to be rehoused repeatedly after they continued to cause problems in the communities where they have been given a fresh start.

Now they are on the verge of being evicted for the fourth time in two years from a house in Southampton after yet more complaints from neighbours and an ever-growing record of police action against them.

Neighbours say numerous incidents of antisocial behaviour have been reported since the family moved into the area at the end of June.

Recent incidents reported to the police include:

  • Sauce smeared over cars.
  • Bags of dog faeces left on doors and window sills.
  • Stones being thrown.
  • Excessive noise.

One local resident, who did not want to be named, said: “We have never had anything to do with them but there have been problems since they moved in.

“There have been piles of rubbish left in the alleyway. I know of cars that have been damaged and there has been a lot of noise.”

Police confirmed that they had been called out numerous times to the property.

Insp Sharman Wicks said: “We always take seriously any complaints of crime or antisocial behaviour and will take action to investigate and address it.”

But speaking for the first time, the parents and their eight children have defended their track record, telling the Daily Echo: “We are not that bad really.”

In fact they say it is they who are being victimised, through constant police visits.

They gave their side of the story after arriving at the Daily Echo’s Redbridge offices with all of their children, who were happy to pose for photos before changing their minds and asking not to be identified. It means that we still cannot tell readers who they are because of a pre-existing court order.

The 42-year-old mum said: “We are just a big family with a lot of kids who are just being kids. We are just being constantly harassed by the police for all sorts of things.”

The couple, who live on benefits, say they are now facing a further move, having been given notice to leave their privately rented three-bedroom house.

They first moved to the city in November 2010 when they were thrown out of their rented home in Hedge End after a catalogue of complaints by neighbours.

They lasted just a few months at the property to which they were relocated in Millbrook, Southampton, following further antisocial behaviour reported by beleaguered residents and allegations of threatening behaviour.

The family were moved on to another address in the city in July last year but that tenancy also came to an end after an investigation by the Department for Work and Pensions over alleged false benefit claims.

The family then decided to camp for two weeks, setting up three tents on common land just outside Winchester before they were found accommodation back in Southampton, where they have been for five months.

  • AS reported by the Daily Echo, the family were handed £2,500 to fund the move from Millbrook after Southampton City Council said they had a legal duty of care to find the family alternative accommodation if they were being evicted.

Following the latest round of evictions and prospect of further action a spokesman for Southampton City Council confirmed the cost to the public purse had escalated.

A spokesman confirmed that around £4,000 had so far been spent on just deposits for the various moves. She said: “The current position is that the managing agent of their current home is assisting them with finding alternative accommodation.

There is no current financial assistance from the council on offer, however, the difficulty of accessing accommodation of a suitable size may make this course of action necessary.”

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11:27am Thu 29 Nov 12

AD1234 says...

Why are we giving them free housing and 'benefits'?

Throw them out and let them starve.
Why are we giving them free housing and 'benefits'? Throw them out and let them starve. AD1234
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11:34am Thu 29 Nov 12

Taskforce 141 says...

AD1234 wrote:
Why are we giving them free housing and 'benefits'?

Throw them out and let them starve.
Totally agree with you, unfortunately our flimsy government wont allow this, and this family use their children as a shield, and unfortunately Southampton City Council cannot lawfully throw the children onto the street - thus allowing the parents to get away with what ever they want and breed the next generation of criminal!
[quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: Why are we giving them free housing and 'benefits'? Throw them out and let them starve.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you, unfortunately our flimsy government wont allow this, and this family use their children as a shield, and unfortunately Southampton City Council cannot lawfully throw the children onto the street - thus allowing the parents to get away with what ever they want and breed the next generation of criminal! Taskforce 141
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11:35am Thu 29 Nov 12

jade25 says...

What an awful way of living, I feel sorry for the 8 children that have to share 2 bedrooms!
What an awful way of living, I feel sorry for the 8 children that have to share 2 bedrooms! jade25
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11:37am Thu 29 Nov 12

bernard7 says...

This is exactly what is wrong with this country. They need to take a good hard look at themselves and realise what a disgrace they are. How are they not embarassed by all this?
This is exactly what is wrong with this country. They need to take a good hard look at themselves and realise what a disgrace they are. How are they not embarassed by all this? bernard7
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11:37am Thu 29 Nov 12

Family Man says...

They should be earning their keep...

What about a cage at Marwell? Provided there is sufficient distance between the public and the bars, they should not pose too much danger.

Sorted!
They should be earning their keep... What about a cage at Marwell? Provided there is sufficient distance between the public and the bars, they should not pose too much danger. Sorted! Family Man
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11:39am Thu 29 Nov 12

Torchie1 says...

AD1234 wrote:
Why are we giving them free housing and 'benefits'?

Throw them out and let them starve.
Unfortunately there is a wonderfully liberal group in charge that will happily preserve the rights of this family for months on end until the evidence of their anti-social behaviour is so overwhelming that action has to be taken. The problem will multiply tenfold as the children grow up in the knowledge that the benefits system will cater for their housing and living requirements while the law is totally powerless to curb their 'kids being kids' mentality. Some lucky neighbourhood will soon acquire this tribe but the liberals in charge will make sure that it's nowhere near one of their houses.
[quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: Why are we giving them free housing and 'benefits'? Throw them out and let them starve.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there is a wonderfully liberal group in charge that will happily preserve the rights of this family for months on end until the evidence of their anti-social behaviour is so overwhelming that action has to be taken. The problem will multiply tenfold as the children grow up in the knowledge that the benefits system will cater for their housing and living requirements while the law is totally powerless to curb their 'kids being kids' mentality. Some lucky neighbourhood will soon acquire this tribe but the liberals in charge will make sure that it's nowhere near one of their houses. Torchie1
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11:40am Thu 29 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

A couple of secondhand caravans perhaps. Preferably in the middle of nowhere.
A couple of secondhand caravans perhaps. Preferably in the middle of nowhere. nedscrumpo
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11:44am Thu 29 Nov 12

solomum says...

Monkey see, Monkey do. These children have no hope of growing up to be respectable members of society if the parents are not mature enough to be respectable themselves. This family desperately needs help to be able to integrate into society in an acceptable way. If the parents will not accept help, then the children need to be removed for their sake and societies sake.
Monkey see, Monkey do. These children have no hope of growing up to be respectable members of society if the parents are not mature enough to be respectable themselves. This family desperately needs help to be able to integrate into society in an acceptable way. If the parents will not accept help, then the children need to be removed for their sake and societies sake. solomum
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11:46am Thu 29 Nov 12

bazzeroz says...

Oh NO! There's an empty house near me! I live in Beirut, come on down.
Oh NO! There's an empty house near me! I live in Beirut, come on down. bazzeroz
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11:48am Thu 29 Nov 12

bazzeroz says...

And I bet they have all the latest label gear, mobiles and plasma tv's. Sterilize at birth is an option.
And I bet they have all the latest label gear, mobiles and plasma tv's. Sterilize at birth is an option. bazzeroz
  • Score: 0

11:55am Thu 29 Nov 12

Higginz says...

Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.
Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law. Higginz
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12:01pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

bazzeroz wrote:
And I bet they have all the latest label gear, mobiles and plasma tv's. Sterilize at birth is an option.
One step short of eugenics. Nice.
[quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: And I bet they have all the latest label gear, mobiles and plasma tv's. Sterilize at birth is an option.[/p][/quote]One step short of eugenics. Nice. RadicalEmu
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12:03pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

Higginz wrote:
Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.
Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough....
[quote][p][bold]Higginz[/bold] wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.[/p][/quote]Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough.... RadicalEmu
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12:12pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Stu J says...

nedscrumpo wrote:
A couple of secondhand caravans perhaps. Preferably in the middle of nowhere.
Absolutely! Get them away from everybody and leave them to their own devices away from the civilised masses.
[quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote: A couple of secondhand caravans perhaps. Preferably in the middle of nowhere.[/p][/quote]Absolutely! Get them away from everybody and leave them to their own devices away from the civilised masses. Stu J
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12:15pm Thu 29 Nov 12

The Wickham Man says...

I am sure there would be a family willing to take the children in and look after then properly, but unfortunately unless they vote Lib/Lab and read the Guardian they must naturally be racists and nazis who should be kept away from children at all costs.
Signed:- the Director of Social Services.
I am sure there would be a family willing to take the children in and look after then properly, but unfortunately unless they vote Lib/Lab and read the Guardian they must naturally be racists and nazis who should be kept away from children at all costs. Signed:- the Director of Social Services. The Wickham Man
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12:15pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Walter K says...

At some point the authorities concerned have to say enough is enough. There is undoubtedly a case for saying that these parents through lack of supervision and direction are neglecting these children. Remove the children and apply all the measures through foster or council care that are available, then hoof the parents out onto the street and let them fend for themselves without the safety net that has only been provided because they have bashed out all of these offspring with no means whatsoever of supporting them.
At some point the authorities concerned have to say enough is enough. There is undoubtedly a case for saying that these parents through lack of supervision and direction are neglecting these children. Remove the children and apply all the measures through foster or council care that are available, then hoof the parents out onto the street and let them fend for themselves without the safety net that has only been provided because they have bashed out all of these offspring with no means whatsoever of supporting them. Walter K
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12:16pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Linesman says...

I know that it would be expensive, but the answer could be to take the children into care, and then let the parents fend for themselves.

Who knows, they may even find jobs.
I know that it would be expensive, but the answer could be to take the children into care, and then let the parents fend for themselves. Who knows, they may even find jobs. Linesman
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12:19pm Thu 29 Nov 12

skaman says...

People like this don't deserve to live in a decent society, they should re-introduce the poorhouse for these people.
People like this don't deserve to live in a decent society, they should re-introduce the poorhouse for these people. skaman
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Thu 29 Nov 12

AD1234 says...

RadicalEmu said,

"One step short of eugenics. Nice."

Emu, what's wrong with eugenics? Would society not be much better off if low-life animals like this were prevented from multiplying?

As for selection, I think it's generally pretty obvious who should be sterilized and who shouldn't.
RadicalEmu said, "One step short of eugenics. Nice." Emu, what's wrong with eugenics? Would society not be much better off if low-life animals like this were prevented from multiplying? As for selection, I think it's generally pretty obvious who should be sterilized and who shouldn't. AD1234
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

Aaah, the magic words... "Taxpayers have paid for"
.
That'll get people here foaming at the mouth.
.
Use of the phrase "..live on benefits.." will not only give a few Echo readers raised blood pressure, but it also adds to the stigma surrounding welfare. The more you read about the few, the more you fear and hate the many.
.
And there are many, take a look around your city. Job losses outweigh successful candidates. Empty shops/flats/offices tell a bigger story & it's not something you can blame welfare claimants for.
.
Right now our society is playing into the hands of a divide and conquer plan by an unelected government of millionaires. The media just help tighten their grip on us.
.
How this family acquire their income is irrelevant. How they act is another matter & that is a matter for the authorities to deal with, not a newspaper.
Aaah, the magic words... "Taxpayers have paid for" . That'll get people here foaming at the mouth. . Use of the phrase "..live on benefits.." will not only give a few Echo readers raised blood pressure, but it also adds to the stigma surrounding welfare. The more you read about the few, the more you fear and hate the many. . And there are many, take a look around your city. Job losses outweigh successful candidates. Empty shops/flats/offices tell a bigger story & it's not something you can blame welfare claimants for. . Right now our society is playing into the hands of a divide and conquer plan by an unelected government of millionaires. The media just help tighten their grip on us. . How this family acquire their income is irrelevant. How they act is another matter & that is a matter for the authorities to deal with, not a newspaper. RadicalEmu
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Thu 29 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

Higginz wrote:
Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.
agreed.
[quote][p][bold]Higginz[/bold] wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.[/p][/quote]agreed. elvisimo
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12:26pm Thu 29 Nov 12

sarfhamton says...

I think the Echo just puts up these stories to stir up the lunatics on here.

I do think however that these children are going to go forth and raise their own anti-social families unless something is done to rescue them from their terrible parents.
I think the Echo just puts up these stories to stir up the lunatics on here. I do think however that these children are going to go forth and raise their own anti-social families unless something is done to rescue them from their terrible parents. sarfhamton
  • Score: 0

12:29pm Thu 29 Nov 12

chrisja says...

"A spokesman confirmed that around £4,000 had so far been spent on just deposits for the various moves."

Ahem - you get deposits back.

Anyway.. please put this scu.m on a boat, sail it down the solent and sink it at the first available opportunity! Filth.
"A spokesman confirmed that around £4,000 had so far been spent on just deposits for the various moves." Ahem - you get deposits back. Anyway.. please put this scu.m on a boat, sail it down the solent and sink it at the first available opportunity! Filth. chrisja
  • Score: 0

12:30pm Thu 29 Nov 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

tent in the forest ,job done , or long term mental unit.
tent in the forest ,job done , or long term mental unit. arthur dalyrimple
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12:31pm Thu 29 Nov 12

chrisja says...

RadicalEmu wrote:
Higginz wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.
Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough....
This is worse than murder...
[quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Higginz[/bold] wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.[/p][/quote]Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough....[/p][/quote]This is worse than murder... chrisja
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12:34pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

AD1234 wrote:
RadicalEmu said,

"One step short of eugenics. Nice."

Emu, what's wrong with eugenics? Would society not be much better off if low-life animals like this were prevented from multiplying?

As for selection, I think it's generally pretty obvious who should be sterilized and who shouldn't.
Nothing, if you like the idea of living in an Orwellian-style dystopia where people are essentially manufactured and anything that falls foul of quality control is "disposed of".
.
You're right, it is obvious who should be sterilised. No-one.
.
It's not our decision to make.
[quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: RadicalEmu said, "One step short of eugenics. Nice." Emu, what's wrong with eugenics? Would society not be much better off if low-life animals like this were prevented from multiplying? As for selection, I think it's generally pretty obvious who should be sterilized and who shouldn't.[/p][/quote]Nothing, if you like the idea of living in an Orwellian-style dystopia where people are essentially manufactured and anything that falls foul of quality control is "disposed of". . You're right, it is obvious who should be sterilised. No-one. . It's not our decision to make. RadicalEmu
  • Score: 0

12:34pm Thu 29 Nov 12

miltonarcher says...

They want to cull Badgers so why not cull................
....................
.....
They want to cull Badgers so why not cull................ .................... ..... miltonarcher
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12:35pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

chrisja wrote:
RadicalEmu wrote:
Higginz wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.
Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough....
This is worse than murder...
Howso?
[quote][p][bold]chrisja[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Higginz[/bold] wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.[/p][/quote]Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough....[/p][/quote]This is worse than murder...[/p][/quote]Howso? RadicalEmu
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12:38pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Cyber__Fug says...

skaman wrote:
People like this don't deserve to live in a decent society, they should re-introduce the poorhouse for these people.
or Portsmouth..
[quote][p][bold]skaman[/bold] wrote: People like this don't deserve to live in a decent society, they should re-introduce the poorhouse for these people.[/p][/quote]or Portsmouth.. Cyber__Fug
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12:43pm Thu 29 Nov 12

sasmike says...

Send them to portsmouth i am sure they will settle well in skateshire
Send them to portsmouth i am sure they will settle well in skateshire sasmike
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12:46pm Thu 29 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

Why cant they be housed in Thornhill or Weston, nobody would even notice them.
Why cant they be housed in Thornhill or Weston, nobody would even notice them. bigfella777
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Thu 29 Nov 12

AD1234 says...

Radical Emu,

"You're right, it is obvious who should be sterilised. No-one.
.
It's not our decision to make."

But we do make these decisions. How do you defend IVF treatment. If a person cannot conceive naturally, how can it be moral to impregnate them artificially?

Further, a woman with a potentially Downs Syndrome foetus is offered an abortion.

So you see, we already make such decisions.
Radical Emu, "You're right, it is obvious who should be sterilised. No-one. . It's not our decision to make." But we do make these decisions. How do you defend IVF treatment. If a person cannot conceive naturally, how can it be moral to impregnate them artificially? Further, a woman with a potentially Downs Syndrome foetus is offered an abortion. So you see, we already make such decisions. AD1234
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12:58pm Thu 29 Nov 12

rich the stitch says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Why cant they be housed in Thornhill or Weston, nobody would even notice them.
They must be bad, they got kicked out of Millbrook! That must take some doing.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why cant they be housed in Thornhill or Weston, nobody would even notice them.[/p][/quote]They must be bad, they got kicked out of Millbrook! That must take some doing. rich the stitch
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12:58pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Higginz says...

chrisja wrote:
RadicalEmu wrote:
Higginz wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.
Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough....
This is worse than murder...
Ok, how about my old idea of converting the IOW in to an anti-social haven, sending all the anti-social families over and just let them look after themselves. Sorry IOW folk, but you're going to have to relocate.
[quote][p][bold]chrisja[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Higginz[/bold] wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.[/p][/quote]Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough....[/p][/quote]This is worse than murder...[/p][/quote]Ok, how about my old idea of converting the IOW in to an anti-social haven, sending all the anti-social families over and just let them look after themselves. Sorry IOW folk, but you're going to have to relocate. Higginz
  • Score: 0

1:03pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Mahoney212 says...

Ah, more Jeremy Kyle contestants.
Ah, more Jeremy Kyle contestants. Mahoney212
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1:05pm Thu 29 Nov 12

bernard7 says...

@chrisja

By the sounds of this lot, i dont think any of the deposits will be returned....
@chrisja By the sounds of this lot, i dont think any of the deposits will be returned.... bernard7
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1:15pm Thu 29 Nov 12

littlekoala72 says...

bazzeroz wrote:
And I bet they have all the latest label gear, mobiles and plasma tv's. Sterilize at birth is an option.
I bet they do too - and they probably feel it's their right to have such things! It's people like them who are bringing this country down in the gutter - the government and the law is a joke
[quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: And I bet they have all the latest label gear, mobiles and plasma tv's. Sterilize at birth is an option.[/p][/quote]I bet they do too - and they probably feel it's their right to have such things! It's people like them who are bringing this country down in the gutter - the government and the law is a joke littlekoala72
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1:24pm Thu 29 Nov 12

soton-mike80 says...

Higginz wrote:
chrisja wrote:
RadicalEmu wrote:
Higginz wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.
Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough....
This is worse than murder...
Ok, how about my old idea of converting the IOW in to an anti-social haven, sending all the anti-social families over and just let them look after themselves. Sorry IOW folk, but you're going to have to relocate.
Why destroy a gorgeous island in the South of England?

I know my plan is probably not the best because it would have further implications, but can the council not do the following:

1) Send the children into care. I know this is burdening others, but at least they won't be living in an abusive homelife situation where 10 kids are sharing two bedrooms. Educate the children and rehabilitate them into productive members of society

2) Throw the book at the parents... lock them up for endangering the public, wasting public funds, the various ASB notices they have undoubtedly received and rehabilitate them into productive members of society.

3) Only let them have their freedom when they can demonstrate that they can live without causing a burden to every other productive member of society.

Surely this is better than consistently re-homing a problem family? They obviously need help and incarceration may just be the help that they get.
[quote][p][bold]Higginz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrisja[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Higginz[/bold] wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.[/p][/quote]Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough....[/p][/quote]This is worse than murder...[/p][/quote]Ok, how about my old idea of converting the IOW in to an anti-social haven, sending all the anti-social families over and just let them look after themselves. Sorry IOW folk, but you're going to have to relocate.[/p][/quote]Why destroy a gorgeous island in the South of England? I know my plan is probably not the best because it would have further implications, but can the council not do the following: 1) Send the children into care. I know this is burdening others, but at least they won't be living in an abusive homelife situation where 10 kids are sharing two bedrooms. Educate the children and rehabilitate them into productive members of society 2) Throw the book at the parents... lock them up for endangering the public, wasting public funds, the various ASB notices they have undoubtedly received and rehabilitate them into productive members of society. 3) Only let them have their freedom when they can demonstrate that they can live without causing a burden to every other productive member of society. Surely this is better than consistently re-homing a problem family? They obviously need help and incarceration may just be the help that they get. soton-mike80
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1:50pm Thu 29 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

soton-mike80 wrote:
Higginz wrote:
chrisja wrote:
RadicalEmu wrote:
Higginz wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.
Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough....
This is worse than murder...
Ok, how about my old idea of converting the IOW in to an anti-social haven, sending all the anti-social families over and just let them look after themselves. Sorry IOW folk, but you're going to have to relocate.
Why destroy a gorgeous island in the South of England? I know my plan is probably not the best because it would have further implications, but can the council not do the following: 1) Send the children into care. I know this is burdening others, but at least they won't be living in an abusive homelife situation where 10 kids are sharing two bedrooms. Educate the children and rehabilitate them into productive members of society 2) Throw the book at the parents... lock them up for endangering the public, wasting public funds, the various ASB notices they have undoubtedly received and rehabilitate them into productive members of society. 3) Only let them have their freedom when they can demonstrate that they can live without causing a burden to every other productive member of society. Surely this is better than consistently re-homing a problem family? They obviously need help and incarceration may just be the help that they get.
that would take ages and cost a fortune. Agree with previous post. Have the "humanely" destroyed.
[quote][p][bold]soton-mike80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Higginz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrisja[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Higginz[/bold] wrote: Shame we can't just put them down like the lame animals they are, without getting in to trouble with the law.[/p][/quote]Advocating capital punishment for murder is bad enough....[/p][/quote]This is worse than murder...[/p][/quote]Ok, how about my old idea of converting the IOW in to an anti-social haven, sending all the anti-social families over and just let them look after themselves. Sorry IOW folk, but you're going to have to relocate.[/p][/quote]Why destroy a gorgeous island in the South of England? I know my plan is probably not the best because it would have further implications, but can the council not do the following: 1) Send the children into care. I know this is burdening others, but at least they won't be living in an abusive homelife situation where 10 kids are sharing two bedrooms. Educate the children and rehabilitate them into productive members of society 2) Throw the book at the parents... lock them up for endangering the public, wasting public funds, the various ASB notices they have undoubtedly received and rehabilitate them into productive members of society. 3) Only let them have their freedom when they can demonstrate that they can live without causing a burden to every other productive member of society. Surely this is better than consistently re-homing a problem family? They obviously need help and incarceration may just be the help that they get.[/p][/quote]that would take ages and cost a fortune. Agree with previous post. Have the "humanely" destroyed. elvisimo
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2:07pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Taskforce 141 says...

RadicalEmu wrote:
Aaah, the magic words... "Taxpayers have paid for"
.
That'll get people here foaming at the mouth.
.
Use of the phrase "..live on benefits.." will not only give a few Echo readers raised blood pressure, but it also adds to the stigma surrounding welfare. The more you read about the few, the more you fear and hate the many.
.
And there are many, take a look around your city. Job losses outweigh successful candidates. Empty shops/flats/offices tell a bigger story & it's not something you can blame welfare claimants for.
.
Right now our society is playing into the hands of a divide and conquer plan by an unelected government of millionaires. The media just help tighten their grip on us.
.
How this family acquire their income is irrelevant. How they act is another matter & that is a matter for the authorities to deal with, not a newspaper.
Whilst i agree not all people on welfare are scrounging bottom feeders, this family are involved in criminal activity as well as ASB, and it is due to the fact the have children, nothing can be done...It shows how a system can fail to stop people abusing it, by going round and round in a circle constantly. Perhaps causing public rage and thrusting this family into the public eye may just wake up the people at the top who are in charge of benefits and the policies which allow this family to constantly get away with being a scourge (but i wont hold my breathe).

And on another note, again not that i agree with it but, taking all the children into care would cost the tax payer in the region of over £100,000 a week (and I am not taking the p1ss!), so with an ever diminishing budget, how could SCC justify "throwing away" that amount of money when they are axing services left right and centre and are still over budget?
[quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: Aaah, the magic words... "Taxpayers have paid for" . That'll get people here foaming at the mouth. . Use of the phrase "..live on benefits.." will not only give a few Echo readers raised blood pressure, but it also adds to the stigma surrounding welfare. The more you read about the few, the more you fear and hate the many. . And there are many, take a look around your city. Job losses outweigh successful candidates. Empty shops/flats/offices tell a bigger story & it's not something you can blame welfare claimants for. . Right now our society is playing into the hands of a divide and conquer plan by an unelected government of millionaires. The media just help tighten their grip on us. . How this family acquire their income is irrelevant. How they act is another matter & that is a matter for the authorities to deal with, not a newspaper.[/p][/quote]Whilst i agree not all people on welfare are scrounging bottom feeders, this family are involved in criminal activity as well as ASB, and it is due to the fact the have children, nothing can be done...It shows how a system can fail to stop people abusing it, by going round and round in a circle constantly. Perhaps causing public rage and thrusting this family into the public eye may just wake up the people at the top who are in charge of benefits and the policies which allow this family to constantly get away with being a scourge (but i wont hold my breathe). And on another note, again not that i agree with it but, taking all the children into care would cost the tax payer in the region of over £100,000 a week (and I am not taking the p1ss!), so with an ever diminishing budget, how could SCC justify "throwing away" that amount of money when they are axing services left right and centre and are still over budget? Taskforce 141
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2:29pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

@ RadicalEmu

I think if these people moved in next door to your house, damaged your property and made your life a constant misery you would quickly changed your mind.

If you have ever lived in a more deprived area(flower roads, st marys, millbrook, thornhill) of the city and dealt with families like this, you would know this is not a one off case. Allbeit quite extreme, but by no means unique occurance. Sadly.

Simple fact these people have decided to have 10 children without means of supporting them in the slightest.

Thats 10 children who will grow up, form families of their own with a similiar attitude.

Now, what if they each decide its ok to have 10 children each because thats they way they have been brought up, and thus, is perfectly acceptable?

Looking at the photo, at least 4 of them look taller then their dad.

Take the children into care, re educate-reform if possible to save their minds.

The parents? I like the boat idea.
@ RadicalEmu I think if these people moved in next door to your house, damaged your property and made your life a constant misery you would quickly changed your mind. If you have ever lived in a more deprived area(flower roads, st marys, millbrook, thornhill) of the city and dealt with families like this, you would know this is not a one off case. Allbeit quite extreme, but by no means unique occurance. Sadly. Simple fact these people have decided to have 10 children without means of supporting them in the slightest. Thats 10 children who will grow up, form families of their own with a similiar attitude. Now, what if they each decide its ok to have 10 children each because thats they way they have been brought up, and thus, is perfectly acceptable? Looking at the photo, at least 4 of them look taller then their dad. Take the children into care, re educate-reform if possible to save their minds. The parents? I like the boat idea. Subject48
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2:43pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

Subject48 wrote:
@ RadicalEmu

I think if these people moved in next door to your house, damaged your property and made your life a constant misery you would quickly changed your mind.

If you have ever lived in a more deprived area(flower roads, st marys, millbrook, thornhill) of the city and dealt with families like this, you would know this is not a one off case. Allbeit quite extreme, but by no means unique occurance. Sadly.

Simple fact these people have decided to have 10 children without means of supporting them in the slightest.

Thats 10 children who will grow up, form families of their own with a similiar attitude.

Now, what if they each decide its ok to have 10 children each because thats they way they have been brought up, and thus, is perfectly acceptable?

Looking at the photo, at least 4 of them look taller then their dad.

Take the children into care, re educate-reform if possible to save their minds.

The parents? I like the boat idea.
Change my mind on what? Did you read my post? I'm talking about newspapers demonising welfare in general.
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Also, I grew up in Millbrook & have had more than my fair share of "neighbours from hell" over the years, but would I advocate the suggestions above? No.
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: @ RadicalEmu I think if these people moved in next door to your house, damaged your property and made your life a constant misery you would quickly changed your mind. If you have ever lived in a more deprived area(flower roads, st marys, millbrook, thornhill) of the city and dealt with families like this, you would know this is not a one off case. Allbeit quite extreme, but by no means unique occurance. Sadly. Simple fact these people have decided to have 10 children without means of supporting them in the slightest. Thats 10 children who will grow up, form families of their own with a similiar attitude. Now, what if they each decide its ok to have 10 children each because thats they way they have been brought up, and thus, is perfectly acceptable? Looking at the photo, at least 4 of them look taller then their dad. Take the children into care, re educate-reform if possible to save their minds. The parents? I like the boat idea.[/p][/quote]Change my mind on what? Did you read my post? I'm talking about newspapers demonising welfare in general. . Also, I grew up in Millbrook & have had more than my fair share of "neighbours from hell" over the years, but would I advocate the suggestions above? No. RadicalEmu
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2:44pm Thu 29 Nov 12

rich the stitch says...

Send them to the IOW, have them killed, have them castrated. No. Just say if they don’t start behaving like respectable human beings they will be locked in a room with South for 12 hours. If they have read any of his posts on here the threat of that should do the trick.
Send them to the IOW, have them killed, have them castrated. No. Just say if they don’t start behaving like respectable human beings they will be locked in a room with South for 12 hours. If they have read any of his posts on here the threat of that should do the trick. rich the stitch
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2:49pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

AD1234 wrote:
Radical Emu,

"You're right, it is obvious who should be sterilised. No-one.
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It's not our decision to make."

But we do make these decisions. How do you defend IVF treatment. If a person cannot conceive naturally, how can it be moral to impregnate them artificially?

Further, a woman with a potentially Downs Syndrome foetus is offered an abortion.

So you see, we already make such decisions.
How would I defend someone having treatment to bring life into this world?
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There's nothing to defend.
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Abortion is the business of the pregnant woman, and no-one else.
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Taking away someone's choice to have a child would be no less than fascist.
[quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: Radical Emu, "You're right, it is obvious who should be sterilised. No-one. . It's not our decision to make." But we do make these decisions. How do you defend IVF treatment. If a person cannot conceive naturally, how can it be moral to impregnate them artificially? Further, a woman with a potentially Downs Syndrome foetus is offered an abortion. So you see, we already make such decisions.[/p][/quote]How would I defend someone having treatment to bring life into this world? . There's nothing to defend. . Abortion is the business of the pregnant woman, and no-one else. . Taking away someone's choice to have a child would be no less than fascist. RadicalEmu
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3:08pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Carlos in Fareham says...

Many years ago, before we had our "politically correct" society, Paisley Council in Scotland had a block of flats where families guilty of anti-social behaviour were housed. An ex-soldier lived in an apartment on the ground floor by the front door and he ruled the place with a rod of iron. No noise, no trouble, kids dressed to suit the weather each day. Could it happen again in 2012?
Probably not - but it worked.
Many years ago, before we had our "politically correct" society, Paisley Council in Scotland had a block of flats where families guilty of anti-social behaviour were housed. An ex-soldier lived in an apartment on the ground floor by the front door and he ruled the place with a rod of iron. No noise, no trouble, kids dressed to suit the weather each day. Could it happen again in 2012? Probably not - but it worked. Carlos in Fareham
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3:10pm Thu 29 Nov 12

bazzeroz says...

rich the stitch wrote:
Send them to the IOW, have them killed, have them castrated. No. Just say if they don’t start behaving like respectable human beings they will be locked in a room with South for 12 hours. If they have read any of his posts on here the threat of that should do the trick.
My god! You don't think they can read do you? As for buying a newspaper, well only with fish and chips in it!
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: Send them to the IOW, have them killed, have them castrated. No. Just say if they don’t start behaving like respectable human beings they will be locked in a room with South for 12 hours. If they have read any of his posts on here the threat of that should do the trick.[/p][/quote]My god! You don't think they can read do you? As for buying a newspaper, well only with fish and chips in it! bazzeroz
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3:23pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

But what if someone has a child or "chooses" to because they are simply too dumb to understand the consequances?

Having a child is a bloody privlidge not a right! Its not a neccesity hence we have inventions like condoms and pills.

The world could do with a lot less people in the world, end of.

We find it ok to controll other parasitic species so why cant we see its what we've become ?

As to demonising walfere. So you are telling me if somone is too thick to understand that having a child costs money and time, knows they dont have that and chooses to because the state will provide it is acceptable?

This type of mentality is all too common and accepted as the norm now days. So we try to fix all thse problem families, blaming this and that.

The best solution to any problem is ensuring it does not happen in the first place. Please come up with better logic.
But what if someone has a child or "chooses" to because they are simply too dumb to understand the consequances? Having a child is a bloody privlidge not a right! Its not a neccesity hence we have inventions like condoms and pills. The world could do with a lot less people in the world, end of. We find it ok to controll other parasitic species so why cant we see its what we've become ? As to demonising walfere. So you are telling me if somone is too thick to understand that having a child costs money and time, knows they dont have that and chooses to because the state will provide it is acceptable? This type of mentality is all too common and accepted as the norm now days. So we try to fix all thse problem families, blaming this and that. The best solution to any problem is ensuring it does not happen in the first place. Please come up with better logic. Subject48
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3:27pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Frank28 says...

In other countries, such dysfunctional families would be the authors of their own circumstance, and find themselves living on the streets - getting support from no-one.
In other countries, such dysfunctional families would be the authors of their own circumstance, and find themselves living on the streets - getting support from no-one. Frank28
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3:28pm Thu 29 Nov 12

ohec says...

How can it be right to inflict these people onto any poor unsuspecting neighbours, however much it costs these people must be dealt with. Assign them a welfare officer and don't give them any money at all let the welfare officer buy the food thats required and cloth as necessary and only purchase essentials and generally make their life hell until they learn to behave and respect others, if that doesn't work put the kids into care and to hell with the adults that brought them into the world.
How can it be right to inflict these people onto any poor unsuspecting neighbours, however much it costs these people must be dealt with. Assign them a welfare officer and don't give them any money at all let the welfare officer buy the food thats required and cloth as necessary and only purchase essentials and generally make their life hell until they learn to behave and respect others, if that doesn't work put the kids into care and to hell with the adults that brought them into the world. ohec
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3:57pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

Frank28 wrote:
In other countries, such dysfunctional families would be the authors of their own circumstance, and find themselves living on the streets - getting support from no-one.
What countries are these? (Serious question.)
[quote][p][bold]Frank28[/bold] wrote: In other countries, such dysfunctional families would be the authors of their own circumstance, and find themselves living on the streets - getting support from no-one.[/p][/quote]What countries are these? (Serious question.) RadicalEmu
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4:10pm Thu 29 Nov 12

chavfreezone says...

sterilise the lot of them
sterilise the lot of them chavfreezone
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4:29pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

Subject48 wrote:
But what if someone has a child or "chooses" to because they are simply too dumb to understand the consequances?

Having a child is a bloody privlidge not a right! Its not a neccesity hence we have inventions like condoms and pills.

The world could do with a lot less people in the world, end of.

We find it ok to controll other parasitic species so why cant we see its what we've become ?

As to demonising walfere. So you are telling me if somone is too thick to understand that having a child costs money and time, knows they dont have that and chooses to because the state will provide it is acceptable?

This type of mentality is all too common and accepted as the norm now days. So we try to fix all thse problem families, blaming this and that.

The best solution to any problem is ensuring it does not happen in the first place. Please come up with better logic.
You didn't actually quote anything exact, but I'll respond based on our exchange, as I can verify where the text originates.
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To answer your welfare response:
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At no point did anything I said mention what is or isn't acceptable. I mentioned how the media perpetuate hatred among its readers, which benefits the actions of the current government. Have you anything to say on this matter?
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But while you're trying to put words into my mouth about welfare, I have a question for you: If someone is "too thick to understand" something, how can they know that they don't have what is to be understood?
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If you must question my "logic", Show an understanding of logic yourself.
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Do you have anything concrete to support the idea that this mentality is "the norm"? A quote from a reliable report would suffice.
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Your closing line again alludes to the idea that you have not read my post. I'm sure it would look nice on an office notice board, but doesn't relate to anything I wrote.
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: But what if someone has a child or "chooses" to because they are simply too dumb to understand the consequances? Having a child is a bloody privlidge not a right! Its not a neccesity hence we have inventions like condoms and pills. The world could do with a lot less people in the world, end of. We find it ok to controll other parasitic species so why cant we see its what we've become ? As to demonising walfere. So you are telling me if somone is too thick to understand that having a child costs money and time, knows they dont have that and chooses to because the state will provide it is acceptable? This type of mentality is all too common and accepted as the norm now days. So we try to fix all thse problem families, blaming this and that. The best solution to any problem is ensuring it does not happen in the first place. Please come up with better logic.[/p][/quote]You didn't actually quote anything exact, but I'll respond based on our exchange, as I can verify where the text originates. . To answer your welfare response: . At no point did anything I said mention what is or isn't acceptable. I mentioned how the media perpetuate hatred among its readers, which benefits the actions of the current government. Have you anything to say on this matter? . But while you're trying to put words into my mouth about welfare, I have a question for you: If someone is "too thick to understand" something, how can they know that they don't have what is to be understood? . If you must question my "logic", Show an understanding of logic yourself. . Do you have anything concrete to support the idea that this mentality is "the norm"? A quote from a reliable report would suffice. . Your closing line again alludes to the idea that you have not read my post. I'm sure it would look nice on an office notice board, but doesn't relate to anything I wrote. RadicalEmu
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5:11pm Thu 29 Nov 12

becksbeare says...

chrisja wrote:
"A spokesman confirmed that around £4,000 had so far been spent on just deposits for the various moves." Ahem - you get deposits back. Anyway.. please put this scu.m on a boat, sail it down the solent and sink it at the first available opportunity! Filth.
You get deposits back if you keep up with your rent, and leave the property in the condition you found it in...
[quote][p][bold]chrisja[/bold] wrote: "A spokesman confirmed that around £4,000 had so far been spent on just deposits for the various moves." Ahem - you get deposits back. Anyway.. please put this scu.m on a boat, sail it down the solent and sink it at the first available opportunity! Filth.[/p][/quote]You get deposits back if you keep up with your rent, and leave the property in the condition you found it in... becksbeare
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5:16pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Stroppy_gramps says...

Has anyone actually taken the time to talk to this family and find out why they are behaving the way this report in the DE alleges?

Has anyone taken the time to try to find a positive solution to this rather than just consign this family to the scrapheap?

Comments like 'let them starve'..... frankly..... you think it's ok to allow a child to starve? really?
throwing this family on the scrapheap just means more benefit payments in the future. I would rather my tax money went on paying someone to help turn this family around, get at least one parent back in to employment and get those kids educated and show them that there is a future. This takes effort and time.
As far as I'm concerned its a positive cost if it means those kids get a future where they don't have to depend on anyone else's tax money to survive.
Has anyone actually taken the time to talk to this family and find out why they are behaving the way this report in the DE alleges? Has anyone taken the time to try to find a positive solution to this rather than just consign this family to the scrapheap? Comments like 'let them starve'..... frankly..... you think it's ok to allow a child to starve? really? throwing this family on the scrapheap just means more benefit payments in the future. I would rather my tax money went on paying someone to help turn this family around, get at least one parent back in to employment and get those kids educated and show them that there is a future. This takes effort and time. As far as I'm concerned its a positive cost if it means those kids get a future where they don't have to depend on anyone else's tax money to survive. Stroppy_gramps
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5:41pm Thu 29 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Has anyone actually taken the time to talk to this family and find out why they are behaving the way this report in the DE alleges?

Has anyone taken the time to try to find a positive solution to this rather than just consign this family to the scrapheap?

Comments like 'let them starve'..... frankly..... you think it's ok to allow a child to starve? really?
throwing this family on the scrapheap just means more benefit payments in the future. I would rather my tax money went on paying someone to help turn this family around, get at least one parent back in to employment and get those kids educated and show them that there is a future. This takes effort and time.
As far as I'm concerned its a positive cost if it means those kids get a future where they don't have to depend on anyone else's tax money to survive.
I would guess they have been spoken to numerous times considering they've been evicted from every property they've lived at.

The problem is they have become a 'pack' a bit like wild wolves, they think they are entitled to everything and for such a big group, you will never change them.

I have no idea of the solution, other than move them to a home in the middle of no-where.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: Has anyone actually taken the time to talk to this family and find out why they are behaving the way this report in the DE alleges? Has anyone taken the time to try to find a positive solution to this rather than just consign this family to the scrapheap? Comments like 'let them starve'..... frankly..... you think it's ok to allow a child to starve? really? throwing this family on the scrapheap just means more benefit payments in the future. I would rather my tax money went on paying someone to help turn this family around, get at least one parent back in to employment and get those kids educated and show them that there is a future. This takes effort and time. As far as I'm concerned its a positive cost if it means those kids get a future where they don't have to depend on anyone else's tax money to survive.[/p][/quote]I would guess they have been spoken to numerous times considering they've been evicted from every property they've lived at. The problem is they have become a 'pack' a bit like wild wolves, they think they are entitled to everything and for such a big group, you will never change them. I have no idea of the solution, other than move them to a home in the middle of no-where. IronLady2010
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5:52pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Why cant they be housed in Thornhill or Weston, nobody would even notice them.
@sshole
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why cant they be housed in Thornhill or Weston, nobody would even notice them.[/p][/quote]@sshole Over the Edge
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5:52pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Has anyone actually taken the time to talk to this family and find out why they are behaving the way this report in the DE alleges?

Has anyone taken the time to try to find a positive solution to this rather than just consign this family to the scrapheap?

Comments like 'let them starve'..... frankly..... you think it's ok to allow a child to starve? really?
throwing this family on the scrapheap just means more benefit payments in the future. I would rather my tax money went on paying someone to help turn this family around, get at least one parent back in to employment and get those kids educated and show them that there is a future. This takes effort and time.
As far as I'm concerned its a positive cost if it means those kids get a future where they don't have to depend on anyone else's tax money to survive.
But.... But.... TAXPAYERS MONEY!!! *cries*.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: Has anyone actually taken the time to talk to this family and find out why they are behaving the way this report in the DE alleges? Has anyone taken the time to try to find a positive solution to this rather than just consign this family to the scrapheap? Comments like 'let them starve'..... frankly..... you think it's ok to allow a child to starve? really? throwing this family on the scrapheap just means more benefit payments in the future. I would rather my tax money went on paying someone to help turn this family around, get at least one parent back in to employment and get those kids educated and show them that there is a future. This takes effort and time. As far as I'm concerned its a positive cost if it means those kids get a future where they don't have to depend on anyone else's tax money to survive.[/p][/quote]But.... But.... TAXPAYERS MONEY!!! *cries*. RadicalEmu
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6:06pm Thu 29 Nov 12

midanburyway says...

u wont get deposits back if they have wrecked the places....why have 8 kids whilst on benefits....reading between the lines i as they have been done for benefit fraud someone must have had some undisclosed earnings.....also why shouldnt they all squash into a 3 bedroom house....i wanted more children but didnt cos i work pay my bills and couldnt afford a bigger house so i stopped at three.....as i work the council wouldnt give me a big house for nothing.....these people have no social skills and neither will their children ....think if those 8 kids have 8 of their own, that the tax payer will end up housing and supporting.....our country is doomed
u wont get deposits back if they have wrecked the places....why have 8 kids whilst on benefits....reading between the lines i as they have been done for benefit fraud someone must have had some undisclosed earnings.....also why shouldnt they all squash into a 3 bedroom house....i wanted more children but didnt cos i work pay my bills and couldnt afford a bigger house so i stopped at three.....as i work the council wouldnt give me a big house for nothing.....these people have no social skills and neither will their children ....think if those 8 kids have 8 of their own, that the tax payer will end up housing and supporting.....our country is doomed midanburyway
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6:06pm Thu 29 Nov 12

midanburyway says...

u wont get deposits back if they have wrecked the places....why have 8 kids whilst on benefits....reading between the lines i as they have been done for benefit fraud someone must have had some undisclosed earnings.....also why shouldnt they all squash into a 3 bedroom house....i wanted more children but didnt cos i work pay my bills and couldnt afford a bigger house so i stopped at three.....as i work the council wouldnt give me a big house for nothing.....these people have no social skills and neither will their children ....think if those 8 kids have 8 of their own, that the tax payer will end up housing and supporting.....our country is doomed
u wont get deposits back if they have wrecked the places....why have 8 kids whilst on benefits....reading between the lines i as they have been done for benefit fraud someone must have had some undisclosed earnings.....also why shouldnt they all squash into a 3 bedroom house....i wanted more children but didnt cos i work pay my bills and couldnt afford a bigger house so i stopped at three.....as i work the council wouldnt give me a big house for nothing.....these people have no social skills and neither will their children ....think if those 8 kids have 8 of their own, that the tax payer will end up housing and supporting.....our country is doomed midanburyway
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6:12pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

midanburyway wrote:
u wont get deposits back if they have wrecked the places....why have 8 kids whilst on benefits....reading between the lines i as they have been done for benefit fraud someone must have had some undisclosed earnings.....also why shouldnt they all squash into a 3 bedroom house....i wanted more children but didnt cos i work pay my bills and couldnt afford a bigger house so i stopped at three.....as i work the council wouldnt give me a big house for nothing.....these people have no social skills and neither will their children ....think if those 8 kids have 8 of their own, that the tax payer will end up housing and supporting.....our country is doomed
It's amazing how one family can cripple an entire country.
[quote][p][bold]midanburyway[/bold] wrote: u wont get deposits back if they have wrecked the places....why have 8 kids whilst on benefits....reading between the lines i as they have been done for benefit fraud someone must have had some undisclosed earnings.....also why shouldnt they all squash into a 3 bedroom house....i wanted more children but didnt cos i work pay my bills and couldnt afford a bigger house so i stopped at three.....as i work the council wouldnt give me a big house for nothing.....these people have no social skills and neither will their children ....think if those 8 kids have 8 of their own, that the tax payer will end up housing and supporting.....our country is doomed[/p][/quote]It's amazing how one family can cripple an entire country. RadicalEmu
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6:13pm Thu 29 Nov 12

freefinker says...

.. I just LOVE the pointless photo.

Perhaps the Echo could tell us what it actually adds to the story?
.. I just LOVE the pointless photo. Perhaps the Echo could tell us what it actually adds to the story? freefinker
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6:17pm Thu 29 Nov 12

AD1234 says...

Stroppy_gramps,

"Comments like 'let them starve'..... frankly..... you think it's ok to allow a child to starve? really?"

Yes, Stroppy, in a case like this. I'm advocating preempting a crime. These little blighters will be robbing and mugging me in a few years. Better they never grow up.

Callous? You bet.
Stroppy_gramps, "Comments like 'let them starve'..... frankly..... you think it's ok to allow a child to starve? really?" Yes, Stroppy, in a case like this. I'm advocating preempting a crime. These little blighters will be robbing and mugging me in a few years. Better they never grow up. Callous? You bet. AD1234
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6:49pm Thu 29 Nov 12

sameoldscene says...

Got to fight fire with fire here. Get a few lads up and smash their filthy teeth out. Works everytime. Punishment beatings for this scum always work in N.I and can work here!!
Got to fight fire with fire here. Get a few lads up and smash their filthy teeth out. Works everytime. Punishment beatings for this scum always work in N.I and can work here!! sameoldscene
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7:03pm Thu 29 Nov 12

bobbyboy says...

It Grieves me when peoples like this take advantage of the system. I came from a big family (although two into one)My true Father died of TB as a result of the War i was 6 months when he past or number 5 in line. My mother went on to have 7 more children with my Step Father did we ever want for anything yes most of the time did they go cap in hand to social no Dad Worked Mum cleaned in the early years and i did what i could like all my brothers and sisters we pulled together and coped froze in winter had holes in our shoes But we survived and because of that i personally have never had to beg borrow or scrounge since get this Man out to work and the Mother and if the kids are old enough them as well every penny in helps the family then they wont just sit there in front of there TV or Tex-ting on the mobiles not watching over there Kids and when it goes wrong just say kids will be kids me i got more than my share of a good hiding from either my mother or father and on three occasions the local bobby it done me no harm.So Stop **** Footing With this Family and get them showing the respect the rest of Society Deserves if they dont split them up untill they do.
It Grieves me when peoples like this take advantage of the system. I came from a big family (although two into one)My true Father died of TB as a result of the War i was 6 months when he past or number 5 in line. My mother went on to have 7 more children with my Step Father did we ever want for anything yes most of the time did they go cap in hand to social no Dad Worked Mum cleaned in the early years and i did what i could like all my brothers and sisters we pulled together and coped froze in winter had holes in our shoes But we survived and because of that i personally have never had to beg borrow or scrounge since get this Man out to work and the Mother and if the kids are old enough them as well every penny in helps the family then they wont just sit there in front of there TV or Tex-ting on the mobiles not watching over there Kids and when it goes wrong just say kids will be kids me i got more than my share of a good hiding from either my mother or father and on three occasions the local bobby it done me no harm.So Stop **** Footing With this Family and get them showing the respect the rest of Society Deserves if they dont split them up untill they do. bobbyboy
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7:27pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Hdg end mo says...

There are genuine people who cannot afford to buy a property in the current climate and have no choice but to get housed through the council or housing assosiation after waiting years on the list.
then these low life's getting rehoused every few months after causing trouble in every neighbourhood they've been in bloody ridiculous let them rot on the common.
There are genuine people who cannot afford to buy a property in the current climate and have no choice but to get housed through the council or housing assosiation after waiting years on the list. then these low life's getting rehoused every few months after causing trouble in every neighbourhood they've been in bloody ridiculous let them rot on the common. Hdg end mo
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7:29pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Hdg end mo says...

sameoldscene wrote:
Got to fight fire with fire here. Get a few lads up and smash their filthy teeth out. Works everytime. Punishment beatings for this scum always work in N.I and can work here!!
Agree with you that will teach the scumbags
[quote][p][bold]sameoldscene[/bold] wrote: Got to fight fire with fire here. Get a few lads up and smash their filthy teeth out. Works everytime. Punishment beatings for this scum always work in N.I and can work here!![/p][/quote]Agree with you that will teach the scumbags Hdg end mo
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7:33pm Thu 29 Nov 12

sparkster says...

\i think the children should be taken into care and the parents given a tent in a field they might just change their mind why should they keep being rehoused when a lot of people cant afford anywhere to live
\i think the children should be taken into care and the parents given a tent in a field they might just change their mind why should they keep being rehoused when a lot of people cant afford anywhere to live sparkster
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8:26pm Thu 29 Nov 12

redsnapper says...

Move this set of scum to Fratton, PO.
Move this set of scum to Fratton, PO. redsnapper
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8:34pm Thu 29 Nov 12

gillyman says...

RadicalEmu wrote:
Aaah, the magic words... "Taxpayers have paid for" . That'll get people here foaming at the mouth. . Use of the phrase "..live on benefits.." will not only give a few Echo readers raised blood pressure, but it also adds to the stigma surrounding welfare. The more you read about the few, the more you fear and hate the many. . And there are many, take a look around your city. Job losses outweigh successful candidates. Empty shops/flats/offices tell a bigger story & it's not something you can blame welfare claimants for. . Right now our society is playing into the hands of a divide and conquer plan by an unelected government of millionaires. The media just help tighten their grip on us. . How this family acquire their income is irrelevant. How they act is another matter & that is a matter for the authorities to deal with, not a newspaper.
perhaps they could move on to your planet with you
[quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: Aaah, the magic words... "Taxpayers have paid for" . That'll get people here foaming at the mouth. . Use of the phrase "..live on benefits.." will not only give a few Echo readers raised blood pressure, but it also adds to the stigma surrounding welfare. The more you read about the few, the more you fear and hate the many. . And there are many, take a look around your city. Job losses outweigh successful candidates. Empty shops/flats/offices tell a bigger story & it's not something you can blame welfare claimants for. . Right now our society is playing into the hands of a divide and conquer plan by an unelected government of millionaires. The media just help tighten their grip on us. . How this family acquire their income is irrelevant. How they act is another matter & that is a matter for the authorities to deal with, not a newspaper.[/p][/quote]perhaps they could move on to your planet with you gillyman
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8:50pm Thu 29 Nov 12

bazzeroz says...

Family that was near to me........... 6 kids and she was only 30. Never worked and her partner never worked, except on the QT. Double council house knocked together! She then stole £10k from her disabled mother's benefits by being her 'carer'. Oh yeah, scum like this will always prosper in this benefit society. One rule for them and NONE for us, barstewards, all of 'em. Kerching! More taxpayers money gone.
Family that was near to me........... 6 kids and she was only 30. Never worked and her partner never worked, except on the QT. Double council house knocked together! She then stole £10k from her disabled mother's benefits by being her 'carer'. Oh yeah, scum like this will always prosper in this benefit society. One rule for them and NONE for us, barstewards, all of 'em. Kerching! More taxpayers money gone. bazzeroz
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10:03pm Thu 29 Nov 12

funkadelic says...

ohec wrote:
How can it be right to inflict these people onto any poor unsuspecting neighbours, however much it costs these people must be dealt with. Assign them a welfare officer and don't give them any money at all let the welfare officer buy the food thats required and cloth as necessary and only purchase essentials and generally make their life hell until they learn to behave and respect others, if that doesn't work put the kids into care and to hell with the adults that brought them into the world.
Most sensible quote on here.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: How can it be right to inflict these people onto any poor unsuspecting neighbours, however much it costs these people must be dealt with. Assign them a welfare officer and don't give them any money at all let the welfare officer buy the food thats required and cloth as necessary and only purchase essentials and generally make their life hell until they learn to behave and respect others, if that doesn't work put the kids into care and to hell with the adults that brought them into the world.[/p][/quote]Most sensible quote on here. funkadelic
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3:23am Fri 30 Nov 12

snapperdownunder says...

Why does it appear that the media are not allowed to identify these mongrels? What the hell is the point of a totally irrelevant photograph?
Shouldn't the public have a right to know who these people are?
If I didn't know better I would be thinking they are the family who were once my neighbours in Woolston.
Why does it appear that the media are not allowed to identify these mongrels? What the hell is the point of a totally irrelevant photograph? Shouldn't the public have a right to know who these people are? If I didn't know better I would be thinking they are the family who were once my neighbours in Woolston. snapperdownunder
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4:32am Fri 30 Nov 12

solents says...

bobbyboy wrote:
It Grieves me when peoples like this take advantage of the system. I came from a big family (although two into one)My true Father died of TB as a result of the War i was 6 months when he past or number 5 in line. My mother went on to have 7 more children with my Step Father did we ever want for anything yes most of the time did they go cap in hand to social no Dad Worked Mum cleaned in the early years and i did what i could like all my brothers and sisters we pulled together and coped froze in winter had holes in our shoes But we survived and because of that i personally have never had to beg borrow or scrounge since get this Man out to work and the Mother and if the kids are old enough them as well every penny in helps the family then they wont just sit there in front of there TV or Tex-ting on the mobiles not watching over there Kids and when it goes wrong just say kids will be kids me i got more than my share of a good hiding from either my mother or father and on three occasions the local bobby it done me no harm.So Stop **** Footing With this Family and get them showing the respect the rest of Society Deserves if they dont split them up untill they do.
Agree with you and your sentiments. Why should a couple keep breeding children because the state will keep paying for them? Why won't they find work?
I have real issues with those who have big families and claim benefits. If you want to have a large family then fine, but YOU have to be able to pay for it and not expect the state (us) to pay for it. People like this lot seem to think that it's their right to have lots of children and it's about time that they were told that it's not. If you can't afford it then keep it in your trousers. Simple.
This lot appear to have a lack of control, a lack of restraint and a lack of respect. How do they expect their children to grow up and respect others in society and learn to earn respect for themselves when they appear to be distancing themselves from all who are around them.
They are free loaders and they will never earn my respect. I know of other big families whose parents work hard to pay for what they have which is fine by me, but not this lot.
I don't want any of my hard earned and paid for taxes going on their wasted lives thank-you - I'd rather give my share to a family who parents CAN'T work, not WON'T work.
[quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: It Grieves me when peoples like this take advantage of the system. I came from a big family (although two into one)My true Father died of TB as a result of the War i was 6 months when he past or number 5 in line. My mother went on to have 7 more children with my Step Father did we ever want for anything yes most of the time did they go cap in hand to social no Dad Worked Mum cleaned in the early years and i did what i could like all my brothers and sisters we pulled together and coped froze in winter had holes in our shoes But we survived and because of that i personally have never had to beg borrow or scrounge since get this Man out to work and the Mother and if the kids are old enough them as well every penny in helps the family then they wont just sit there in front of there TV or Tex-ting on the mobiles not watching over there Kids and when it goes wrong just say kids will be kids me i got more than my share of a good hiding from either my mother or father and on three occasions the local bobby it done me no harm.So Stop **** Footing With this Family and get them showing the respect the rest of Society Deserves if they dont split them up untill they do.[/p][/quote]Agree with you and your sentiments. Why should a couple keep breeding children because the state will keep paying for them? Why won't they find work? I have real issues with those who have big families and claim benefits. If you want to have a large family then fine, but YOU have to be able to pay for it and not expect the state (us) to pay for it. People like this lot seem to think that it's their right to have lots of children and it's about time that they were told that it's not. If you can't afford it then keep it in your trousers. Simple. This lot appear to have a lack of control, a lack of restraint and a lack of respect. How do they expect their children to grow up and respect others in society and learn to earn respect for themselves when they appear to be distancing themselves from all who are around them. They are free loaders and they will never earn my respect. I know of other big families whose parents work hard to pay for what they have which is fine by me, but not this lot. I don't want any of my hard earned and paid for taxes going on their wasted lives thank-you - I'd rather give my share to a family who parents CAN'T work, not WON'T work. solents
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8:53am Fri 30 Nov 12

midanburyway says...

its not just this family that make the country doomed.....there are thousands of familys like this all over the country.......family
s who have never worked and having children who will never work either!
its not just this family that make the country doomed.....there are thousands of familys like this all over the country.......family s who have never worked and having children who will never work either! midanburyway
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1:06pm Fri 30 Nov 12

boilerman says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Has anyone actually taken the time to talk to this family and find out why they are behaving the way this report in the DE alleges?

Has anyone taken the time to try to find a positive solution to this rather than just consign this family to the scrapheap?

Comments like 'let them starve'..... frankly..... you think it's ok to allow a child to starve? really?
throwing this family on the scrapheap just means more benefit payments in the future. I would rather my tax money went on paying someone to help turn this family around, get at least one parent back in to employment and get those kids educated and show them that there is a future. This takes effort and time.
As far as I'm concerned its a positive cost if it means those kids get a future where they don't have to depend on anyone else's tax money to survive.
Have you ever met people like this ? they don't want constructive help they just want handouts.
I know a couple like this who ended up having 5 kids,they behaved exactly like this. all they were after was handouts.
He ended up in and out of prison and even got compensation while inside for an alleged accident.
Their kids are now adults and behaving exactly as they have been taught and so the cycle begins again X 5.
Kids of parents like this should be taken into care and the parents made to fend for themselves, only the will we start to get rid of behaviour like this.
There are thousands on benefit who are on it because they need help and thousands who behave like society expects, but there are far too many who use being on benefit as an excuse to behave like animals at the expense of decent people.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: Has anyone actually taken the time to talk to this family and find out why they are behaving the way this report in the DE alleges? Has anyone taken the time to try to find a positive solution to this rather than just consign this family to the scrapheap? Comments like 'let them starve'..... frankly..... you think it's ok to allow a child to starve? really? throwing this family on the scrapheap just means more benefit payments in the future. I would rather my tax money went on paying someone to help turn this family around, get at least one parent back in to employment and get those kids educated and show them that there is a future. This takes effort and time. As far as I'm concerned its a positive cost if it means those kids get a future where they don't have to depend on anyone else's tax money to survive.[/p][/quote]Have you ever met people like this ? they don't want constructive help they just want handouts. I know a couple like this who ended up having 5 kids,they behaved exactly like this. all they were after was handouts. He ended up in and out of prison and even got compensation while inside for an alleged accident. Their kids are now adults and behaving exactly as they have been taught and so the cycle begins again X 5. Kids of parents like this should be taken into care and the parents made to fend for themselves, only the will we start to get rid of behaviour like this. There are thousands on benefit who are on it because they need help and thousands who behave like society expects, but there are far too many who use being on benefit as an excuse to behave like animals at the expense of decent people. boilerman
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1:08pm Fri 30 Nov 12

boilerman says...

People like this ? don't want constructive help they just want handouts.
I know a couple like this who ended up having 5 kids,they behaved exactly like this. all they were after was handouts.
He ended up in and out of prison and even got compensation while inside for an alleged accident.
Their kids are now adults and behaving exactly as they have been taught and so the cycle begins again X 5.
Kids of parents like this should be taken into care and the parents made to fend for themselves, only the will we start to get rid of behaviour like this.
There are thousands on benefit who are on it because they need help and thousands who behave like society expects, but there are far too many who use being on benefit as an excuse to behave like animals at the expense of decent people.
People like this ? don't want constructive help they just want handouts. I know a couple like this who ended up having 5 kids,they behaved exactly like this. all they were after was handouts. He ended up in and out of prison and even got compensation while inside for an alleged accident. Their kids are now adults and behaving exactly as they have been taught and so the cycle begins again X 5. Kids of parents like this should be taken into care and the parents made to fend for themselves, only the will we start to get rid of behaviour like this. There are thousands on benefit who are on it because they need help and thousands who behave like society expects, but there are far too many who use being on benefit as an excuse to behave like animals at the expense of decent people. boilerman
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1:08pm Fri 30 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

gillyman wrote:
RadicalEmu wrote:
Aaah, the magic words... "Taxpayers have paid for" . That'll get people here foaming at the mouth. . Use of the phrase "..live on benefits.." will not only give a few Echo readers raised blood pressure, but it also adds to the stigma surrounding welfare. The more you read about the few, the more you fear and hate the many. . And there are many, take a look around your city. Job losses outweigh successful candidates. Empty shops/flats/offices tell a bigger story & it's not something you can blame welfare claimants for. . Right now our society is playing into the hands of a divide and conquer plan by an unelected government of millionaires. The media just help tighten their grip on us. . How this family acquire their income is irrelevant. How they act is another matter & that is a matter for the authorities to deal with, not a newspaper.
perhaps they could move on to your planet with you
You answered my points so eloquently. That was definitely worth logging in for.
[quote][p][bold]gillyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RadicalEmu[/bold] wrote: Aaah, the magic words... "Taxpayers have paid for" . That'll get people here foaming at the mouth. . Use of the phrase "..live on benefits.." will not only give a few Echo readers raised blood pressure, but it also adds to the stigma surrounding welfare. The more you read about the few, the more you fear and hate the many. . And there are many, take a look around your city. Job losses outweigh successful candidates. Empty shops/flats/offices tell a bigger story & it's not something you can blame welfare claimants for. . Right now our society is playing into the hands of a divide and conquer plan by an unelected government of millionaires. The media just help tighten their grip on us. . How this family acquire their income is irrelevant. How they act is another matter & that is a matter for the authorities to deal with, not a newspaper.[/p][/quote]perhaps they could move on to your planet with you[/p][/quote]You answered my points so eloquently. That was definitely worth logging in for. RadicalEmu
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1:16pm Fri 30 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

midanburyway wrote:
its not just this family that make the country doomed.....there are thousands of familys like this all over the country.......family

s who have never worked and having children who will never work either!
So, out of nearly 70 million people, a few thousand make the country doomed?
.
The issue is NOT how they make their money, it is their behaviour. You've seen the buzzwords in the article and got all flustered over something the newspapers you read want you to get flustered about.
.
The article is about what they're doing. You will find many 'families from hell' that DO work as well.
.
The issue is NOT that they are on benefits.
[quote][p][bold]midanburyway[/bold] wrote: its not just this family that make the country doomed.....there are thousands of familys like this all over the country.......family s who have never worked and having children who will never work either![/p][/quote]So, out of nearly 70 million people, a few thousand make the country doomed? . The issue is NOT how they make their money, it is their behaviour. You've seen the buzzwords in the article and got all flustered over something the newspapers you read want you to get flustered about. . The article is about what they're doing. You will find many 'families from hell' that DO work as well. . The issue is NOT that they are on benefits. RadicalEmu
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2:09pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

@ radicalemu.

You have lashed out against the media. Reporting what has happened with this family is wrong? Making the general public aware that families like this exist is not OK? Raising awerness of this problem is a good thing. Allbeit used by the gov to further their own agenda by altering collective conciousnes.

But we can use their weapons against them....

Hopefuly people will be able to look at this issue at a much deeper, core level.

I am not putting words in your mouth. I have asked you questions because I would like to hear your opinions. After all this is a forum.

I have asked questions in my posts of what your opinions are, which you managed to ignore and accuse me of "putting words in your mouth" I said for example:

But what if someone has a child or "chooses" to because they are simply too dumb to understand the consequances?


Reason I asked is as follows:

you said "And there are many, take a look around your city. Job losses outweigh successful candidates. Empty shops/flats/offices tell a bigger story & it's not something you can blame welfare claimants for."

It seems you seem to be defending the family and others like it who abuse the system which is, far from perfect.

Unless you can come up with a theory on how to prevent people from claiming benefits, the only other option I can see is not allowing the problem to exist in the first place.

I am saying the system needs to be changed, in order to do that. Our beliefs of the "norm" needs to change.

I dont need a report. Simple fact is its statutory requirement for government to give benefits to families (child tax credit etc.) We have this "norm" which is our legal system.

Therfore we have accepted the fact that if you cannot afford to have a family, you should have one anyway making the colective more overpopulated and poorer as a result. Giving more control to the government and the ruling class.


I wont go into the idea of collective conciousnes being blinkered by the mass media. I agree with you on the point that media supports shifts in government policy I have never disagreed with you there.

But I believe in this case they have got it right to some degree publish story like this to raise awarness for a problem that does exist. However the governments solutions for problems they have allowed and in some cases encouraged to occur need to be scrutinised.


You are saying in your post that "how they require their income is irrelevant" and that benefit claimants have nothing to do with the loss of jobs and economic collapse.

We have a capitalist system in place. Its not working properly.

The colelctive broken capitalist pot has a hole in it, its called the flawed benfit system.

I agree as much as the next free thinking man that the upper echelons who are pulling the strings are the architects and keep us locked.

However. If you want to change anything with the current system in place, you have to start from the gorund up and take away their power before you can change the top.

If you remove a cause for the problem, government will no loneger be neceasry to control and fix it.

This is my theory. I do not claim to be god so I could be wrong.

All you have done is made a petty arguments.

I have challenegd you to come up with better logic. Challenged you to answer my questions to get a better understanding of your view points.
Sadly you havent.

All you have done is say my points are invalid without giving reasons why.

Im sory and I could be mistaken, but I have not seen any logic in your post.

Please try and see the bigger picture and not just blindly blame the government. Blame the common man for allowing the government to controll him so easily as well! There, I explained my closing statement. Hope this makes more sense to you now.

Now I could request you to make a report to prove how the government is controling the daily echo to incite hate. But I wont. .

I will no longer respond to your comments because you just blindly lash out against everything thats not your viewpoint.

So to summarise: I have never disagreed with your theory on media control. I totaly concur. Im sory if it came off that way. Not my intention but I do think they got it right this time because it benefits the collective more then the government. I do disagree with you trying to defend the individuals, because thats what is sounds like you are doing.
@ radicalemu. You have lashed out against the media. Reporting what has happened with this family is wrong? Making the general public aware that families like this exist is not OK? Raising awerness of this problem is a good thing. Allbeit used by the gov to further their own agenda by altering collective conciousnes. But we can use their weapons against them.... Hopefuly people will be able to look at this issue at a much deeper, core level. I am not putting words in your mouth. I have asked you questions because I would like to hear your opinions. After all this is a forum. I have asked questions in my posts of what your opinions are, which you managed to ignore and accuse me of "putting words in your mouth" I said for example: But what if someone has a child or "chooses" to because they are simply too dumb to understand the consequances? Reason I asked is as follows: you said "And there are many, take a look around your city. Job losses outweigh successful candidates. Empty shops/flats/offices tell a bigger story & it's not something you can blame welfare claimants for." It seems you seem to be defending the family and others like it who abuse the system which is, far from perfect. Unless you can come up with a theory on how to prevent people from claiming benefits, the only other option I can see is not allowing the problem to exist in the first place. I am saying the system needs to be changed, in order to do that. Our beliefs of the "norm" needs to change. I dont need a report. Simple fact is its statutory requirement for government to give benefits to families (child tax credit etc.) We have this "norm" which is our legal system. Therfore we have accepted the fact that if you cannot afford to have a family, you should have one anyway making the colective more overpopulated and poorer as a result. Giving more control to the government and the ruling class. I wont go into the idea of collective conciousnes being blinkered by the mass media. I agree with you on the point that media supports shifts in government policy I have never disagreed with you there. But I believe in this case they have got it right to some degree publish story like this to raise awarness for a problem that does exist. However the governments solutions for problems they have allowed and in some cases encouraged to occur need to be scrutinised. You are saying in your post that "how they require their income is irrelevant" and that benefit claimants have nothing to do with the loss of jobs and economic collapse. We have a capitalist system in place. Its not working properly. The colelctive broken capitalist pot has a hole in it, its called the flawed benfit system. I agree as much as the next free thinking man that the upper echelons who are pulling the strings are the architects and keep us locked. However. If you want to change anything with the current system in place, you have to start from the gorund up and take away their power before you can change the top. If you remove a cause for the problem, government will no loneger be neceasry to control and fix it. This is my theory. I do not claim to be god so I could be wrong. All you have done is made a petty arguments. I have challenegd you to come up with better logic. Challenged you to answer my questions to get a better understanding of your view points. Sadly you havent. All you have done is say my points are invalid without giving reasons why. Im sory and I could be mistaken, but I have not seen any logic in your post. Please try and see the bigger picture and not just blindly blame the government. Blame the common man for allowing the government to controll him so easily as well! There, I explained my closing statement. Hope this makes more sense to you now. Now I could request you to make a report to prove how the government is controling the daily echo to incite hate. But I wont. . I will no longer respond to your comments because you just blindly lash out against everything thats not your viewpoint. So to summarise: I have never disagreed with your theory on media control. I totaly concur. Im sory if it came off that way. Not my intention but I do think they got it right this time because it benefits the collective more then the government. I do disagree with you trying to defend the individuals, because thats what is sounds like you are doing. Subject48
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2:27pm Fri 30 Nov 12

repcosy says...

AD1234 wrote:
Why are we giving them free housing and 'benefits'?

Throw them out and let them starve.
Because a certain political group called Labour brought all these benefits into effect in the first place thinking it would be for the good of us all.... mmmm how they were wrong.... and what a mess we are in now.... its very easy to place these laws, until people take the advantage and us tax payers are the ones who suffer. Now our country is in such a financial state and the benefits system is whats draining it, but the hardest one to sort out without leaving people homeless.
[quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: Why are we giving them free housing and 'benefits'? Throw them out and let them starve.[/p][/quote]Because a certain political group called Labour brought all these benefits into effect in the first place thinking it would be for the good of us all.... mmmm how they were wrong.... and what a mess we are in now.... its very easy to place these laws, until people take the advantage and us tax payers are the ones who suffer. Now our country is in such a financial state and the benefits system is whats draining it, but the hardest one to sort out without leaving people homeless. repcosy
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8:19pm Fri 30 Nov 12

peter sowerby says...

There must be a better way of dealing with this family than all this hate and anger against them. They seem a close loving family unit for each other but not for anybody else at the moment.Its clear this family needs professional help and guidance regarding their behaviour and until they get it the problem will not go away and nor will they.
There must be a better way of dealing with this family than all this hate and anger against them. They seem a close loving family unit for each other but not for anybody else at the moment.Its clear this family needs professional help and guidance regarding their behaviour and until they get it the problem will not go away and nor will they. peter sowerby
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