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Payouts 'an insult' to Ford contractors
2:20pm Thursday 29th November 2012 in News
By Jon Reeve, Education Reporter
Ford's Transit factory in Swaythling, Southampton.
ANGRY contractors at Ford’s doomed Southampton plant are furious at being offered just a fraction of the payout colleagues are in line for from the motor giant.
More than 200 sub-contractors at the Swaythling Transit factory have been told they are not entitled to the generous redundancy payments Ford’s 500 staff are getting when the facility is closed next summer.
Hampshire MPs have called on the USA-based firm to act fairly to do the right thing by loyal workers, many of whom have spent more than a decade at the Wide Lane plant.
Contractors employed through Penske Logistics told the Daily Echo they feel “insulted” at being “discriminated against”, after being told Ford will not be paying them a penny when it shuts the factory and shifts production to Turkey.
Instead, they are being offered six weeks’ pay on top of their statutory redundancy sum by their company, provided there is no disruption to production from industrial action and they miss no more than four days between December and the end of July.
As reported, Ford employees could be eligible for a voluntary redundancy package equivalent to virtually two years’ salary.
Examples of pay-offs seen by the Daily Echo range from £64,000 to £93,000 depending on age and length of service, and not including enhanced pensions.
One Penske worker, who asked not to be named, said: “It’s absolutely disgraceful.
“All we’ve heard about is that we’re ‘One Southampton’ and that we’re all in it together, but it’s one rule for them and one rule for us.
“We’re being discriminated against. We’re fed up with being treated like something on the bottom of your shoe.”
Another contractor, who also wanted to remain anonymous, added: “It’s taken four weeks since the announcement for them to tell us what we’re getting. The Ford guys knew within three days.
“We’ve given out time and effort for years and it’s for nothing. I’ve got to keep a roof over my head – where’s the money going to come from?”
Southampton Itchen MP John Denham and fellow Hampshire MPs Chris Huhne, Alan Whitehead and Caroline Nokes have jointly written to Ford’s UK boss to demand he acts on his pledge to support subcontractors.
Mr Denham said: “This is clearly an offer that falls well short of what’s on the table for Ford employees.
“I’ve always made it clear that I thought Ford should make sure that people who have worked loyally for their supply companies should be equally well treated.”
Eastleigh MP Mr Huhne added: “There is some obligation on the part of Ford. It’s not so easy to wash their hands of these people because they’ve had long-term relationships with these companies.”
But a Ford spokesman said last night it would be wrong for the company to get involved in the negotiations other firms are having with their workers.
He said: “At the moment we’re fully concentrated on discussions with our own employees with regards to this restructuring, and other businesses’ employees aren’t part of those discussions.”
Comments(49)
10 Minute Man
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2:32pm Thu 29 Nov 12
I assume they are getting something to ensure they don't flounce off before the factory closes.
Shoong
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2:36pm Thu 29 Nov 12
This sort of thing doesn't apply here then? Just a wonderin'...
Stillness
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2:38pm Thu 29 Nov 12
__KTF__
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2:41pm Thu 29 Nov 12
As they are now finding out...
jade25
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2:58pm Thu 29 Nov 12
ohec
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2:59pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Correction you haven't given you have been well paid for your years of service, and if you cant see the difference between being a contractor and a Ford Motor Company employee then as a simpleton you are very lucky to have been employed at all.
Six weeks pay and redundancy pay is more than generous as its six weeks extra pay for just doing your job until the plant closes.
Can a contractor give me one good reason why they think Ford owe them anymore than the pay they have earned and can you tell my why you think Ford employed contractors instead of directly employing more staff.
townieboy
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3:13pm Thu 29 Nov 12
arthur dalyrimple
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3:31pm Thu 29 Nov 12
susieq750
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3:35pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Shoong
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3:36pm Thu 29 Nov 12
townieboy wrote:Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
Stillness
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3:40pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Shoong wrote:If you say so but I think your being a little harsh.
townieboy wrote:Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?
Shoong
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3:41pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Stillness wrote:Never mind!
Shoong wrote:If you say so but I think your being a little harsh.
townieboy wrote:Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?
townieboy
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3:45pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Stillness wrote:Arnt they getting pay offs that there not really intititled to ? They have had it good for years scamming the system but the gravy train has come to an end. Hard luck but 10 years contracting is one hell of a run. Count themselves lucky they worked for that long at one company.
Shoong wrote:If you say so but I think your being a little harsh. What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?townieboy wrote: Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
Stillness
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3:54pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Shoong wrote:Duck Shoong! Whoosh, another one fly's over your head ;-)
Stillness wrote:Never mind!
Shoong wrote:If you say so but I think your being a little harsh.
townieboy wrote:Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?
Shoong
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5:07pm Thu 29 Nov 12
I of course, bow before the rapier wit!
Shoong
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5:07pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Stillness wrote:I was being ironic, maybe in you trying to be sarcy back I misunderstood.
Shoong wrote:Duck Shoong! Whoosh, another one fly's over your head ;-)
Stillness wrote:Never mind!
Shoong wrote:If you say so but I think your being a little harsh.
townieboy wrote:Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?
I of course, bow before the rapier wit!
Over the Edge
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5:12pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Stillness
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5:12pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Stillness
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5:14pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Over the Edge wrote:Oh God. Did you have to say that?
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
Shoong
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5:15pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Stillness wrote:Can I have a feel about on the way up? That's what you want isn't it?
Arise Sir Shoong.
Whoooooshh!!! (how ghey).
Stillness
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5:22pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Shoong wrote:If it would make you lighten up feel away.
Stillness wrote:Can I have a feel about on the way up? That's what you want isn't it?
Arise Sir Shoong.
Whoooooshh!!! (how ghey).
You may want to check the spelling of whoosh though.
Ted Rogers
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5:27pm Thu 29 Nov 12
As far as employment methods and the legalities of labour supply and termination Ford are acting both lawfully and reasonably.
loosehead
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5:39pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to?
They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill?
Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske.
Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company.
If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay?
100%HANTSBOY
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6:54pm Thu 29 Nov 12
loosehead wrote:I think the article says they are being paid six weeks on top of redundancy money by THEIR own company (Penske).
So these contractors are being paid redundancy by their employer (Penske) & another company (Ford) are giving them six weeks pay so why are they whinging?
Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to?
They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill?
Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske.
Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company.
If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay?
I am a contractor on the railway and on a "zero" hour contract,but I am paid about 20% above a similar Grade on the mainstream industry.
I would be entitled to nothing if the work dried up,so these guys should think themselves lucky that they are to receive any payments at all.
I'm suspicious though,that perhaps Ford are behind these payments,as to avoid the contractors walking early and affecting production,but I guess we'll never know.
huckit P
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7:16pm Thu 29 Nov 12
My advice to the Ford/Penske contractors - be thankful for what you are about to receive and may you be truly thankful!
Stillness
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7:54pm Thu 29 Nov 12
100%HANTSBOY wrote:I would guess that Ford have offered Penske a payment for each person that Penske can keep on site or, perhaps Penske are inline to make a penalty payment to Ford if they can't. Either way the contract workers are getting extra money they would not normally get.
loosehead wrote:I think the article says they are being paid six weeks on top of redundancy money by THEIR own company (Penske).
So these contractors are being paid redundancy by their employer (Penske) & another company (Ford) are giving them six weeks pay so why are they whinging?
Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to?
They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill?
Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske.
Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company.
If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay?
I am a contractor on the railway and on a "zero" hour contract,but I am paid about 20% above a similar Grade on the mainstream industry.
I would be entitled to nothing if the work dried up,so these guys should think themselves lucky that they are to receive any payments at all.
I'm suspicious though,that perhaps Ford are behind these payments,as to avoid the contractors walking early and affecting production,but I guess we'll never know.
peter.maidment
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8:14pm Thu 29 Nov 12
Stillness
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8:22pm Thu 29 Nov 12
peter.maidment wrote:He may like to reconsider his investment portfolio.
i am a charge hand in company that employs mostly contractors, one of these guys has just spent 30 thousand on a used porshe, gives me hope that one day i can update my rover lol
gillyman
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8:24pm Thu 29 Nov 12
loosehead
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9:16pm Thu 29 Nov 12
100%HANTSBOY wrote:hantsboy I stand corrected. I've read the article again & yes your right so sorry I read it wrong.
loosehead wrote:I think the article says they are being paid six weeks on top of redundancy money by THEIR own company (Penske).
So these contractors are being paid redundancy by their employer (Penske) & another company (Ford) are giving them six weeks pay so why are they whinging?
Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to?
They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill?
Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske.
Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company.
If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay?
I am a contractor on the railway and on a "zero" hour contract,but I am paid about 20% above a similar Grade on the mainstream industry.
I would be entitled to nothing if the work dried up,so these guys should think themselves lucky that they are to receive any payments at all.
I'm suspicious though,that perhaps Ford are behind these payments,as to avoid the contractors walking early and affecting production,but I guess we'll never know.
I worked for a company called Bardic Eng. if you were there for 5 years or more you got at least 17weeks pay.
I was made redundant a week before I got the basic state redundancy pay.
therefore to know you have work until next summer is a bonus & on top of redundancy pay you'll get b6 weeks extra is great but these Penske workers want the same as Ford Workers?
The only thing they should be offered is to take their money & leave early if they have found alternative work.
I know that some companies will let the temps go at Christmas & actively seek out cheaper agencies & many times it's the same workers on less money for another agency I know BAT did this by swapping from Manpower to Rights
southy
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2:25am Fri 30 Nov 12
Over the Edge wrote:Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
loosehead
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7:04am Fri 30 Nov 12
southy wrote:So once again you cheer on a Labour win & gloat about where the Tories came?
Over the Edge wrote:Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
Where did the TUSC come?
When did you ever think the Tories would do well in Rotherham?
Big Mac
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8:26am Fri 30 Nov 12
Are the Ford workers/Contracters and their depenents really interested in tin pot results, especially at the time they were posted – 2.25am!
You're clearly not living in the real world Mouthy.
Stillness
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8:53am Fri 30 Nov 12
southy wrote:Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I?
Over the Edge wrote:Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
loosehead
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9:03am Fri 30 Nov 12
Stillness wrote:Did he honestly expect anything else in what was a Labour stronghold?
southy wrote:Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I?
Over the Edge wrote:Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
Southy can you see evil capitalism at work here?
Workers getting good pay now receiving a good pay out but wanting more & seeing green with envy that some one has got more than them?
or is that the socialist way? seeing what some one else has & wanting it for free?
These contractors are out of order & if I ran a company & an applicant wrote down as previous employer Penske & work place Ford I would steer well clear of that applicant
phil maccavity
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10:32am Fri 30 Nov 12
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
southy
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12:29pm Fri 30 Nov 12
phil maccavity wrote:It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
southy
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12:41pm Fri 30 Nov 12
Big Mac wrote:I am in the real world unlike you i do not bury my head in the sand.
Some sensible exchanges here, then Southy goes off on one!
Are the Ford workers/Contracters and their depenents really interested in tin pot results, especially at the time they were posted – 2.25am!
You're clearly not living in the real world Mouthy.
And sensilble exchanges for you is only when others think the same way as you do, you do not like alternative view.
At 2.25 is part of the real world watching results as they come in.
Stillness
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12:57pm Fri 30 Nov 12
southy wrote:Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them.
phil maccavity wrote:It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
Stillness
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12:58pm Fri 30 Nov 12
Stillness wrote:That would be male bovine poop.
southy wrote:Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them.
phil maccavity wrote:It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
southy
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1:03pm Fri 30 Nov 12
loosehead wrote:No I did not Loose thats part of the reason why the TUSC only put up a paper candidate, the other reasons why is because the guy was working away from home and did not have any time to do any sort of canvassing, and the TUSC in Rotherham is a new branch and they needed to test the waters and again the TUSC candidate was put forward at the last possible moment, work in Rotherham only just started it will take a few more elections before they can get a base line of voters, (I still not got my base line of voters here in Redbridge ward and thats after 2 local elections).
Stillness wrote:Did he honestly expect anything else in what was a Labour stronghold?
southy wrote:Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I?
Over the Edge wrote:Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
Southy can you see evil capitalism at work here?
Workers getting good pay now receiving a good pay out but wanting more & seeing green with envy that some one has got more than them?
or is that the socialist way? seeing what some one else has & wanting it for free?
These contractors are out of order & if I ran a company & an applicant wrote down as previous employer Penske & work place Ford I would steer well clear of that applicant
yes it is a Labour Stong hold but I did not expect the Tory vote to be split, not in the way it did, by rights the Torys should of came second like they normally do, but to be push into 5th place, Think thats telling the Tory/Lib,Dems Government some thing.
Is there some thing wrong with Penske, I know its workers are to soft by not striking with the Ford workers when there is a strike, but as for the admin of Penske do not know alot about them, these types of agencys tend to be here today gone tomorrow.
southy
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1:05pm Fri 30 Nov 12
Stillness wrote:Well your full of it stillness, try Big Mac he full of it to
Stillness wrote:That would be male bovine poop.
southy wrote:Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them.
phil maccavity wrote:It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
Stillness
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1:11pm Fri 30 Nov 12
southy wrote:No website then? Shame, I hear Google translate has come on leaps and bounds and I was looking forward to testing it.
Stillness wrote:Well your full of it stillness, try Big Mac he full of it to
Stillness wrote:That would be male bovine poop.
southy wrote:Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them.
phil maccavity wrote:It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
ohec
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2:08pm Fri 30 Nov 12
loosehead
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3:20pm Fri 30 Nov 12
southy wrote:It's telling ALL major Parties we the voters have had enough of the EU.
loosehead wrote:No I did not Loose thats part of the reason why the TUSC only put up a paper candidate, the other reasons why is because the guy was working away from home and did not have any time to do any sort of canvassing, and the TUSC in Rotherham is a new branch and they needed to test the waters and again the TUSC candidate was put forward at the last possible moment, work in Rotherham only just started it will take a few more elections before they can get a base line of voters, (I still not got my base line of voters here in Redbridge ward and thats after 2 local elections).
Stillness wrote:Did he honestly expect anything else in what was a Labour stronghold?
southy wrote:Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I?
Over the Edge wrote:Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
Southy can you see evil capitalism at work here?
Workers getting good pay now receiving a good pay out but wanting more & seeing green with envy that some one has got more than them?
or is that the socialist way? seeing what some one else has & wanting it for free?
These contractors are out of order & if I ran a company & an applicant wrote down as previous employer Penske & work place Ford I would steer well clear of that applicant
yes it is a Labour Stong hold but I did not expect the Tory vote to be split, not in the way it did, by rights the Torys should of came second like they normally do, but to be push into 5th place, Think thats telling the Tory/Lib,Dems Government some thing.
Is there some thing wrong with Penske, I know its workers are to soft by not striking with the Ford workers when there is a strike, but as for the admin of Penske do not know alot about them, these types of agencys tend to be here today gone tomorrow.
The EU gave £80 million of our money to a non EU country.
UKIP is on the rise & now they need to target Labour Strongholds as Labour have said they listened to the people but are pro EU?
We as a nation will lose more companies to Eastern Europe whilst in the EU but I'll still vote Tory.
Now Do you think the contractors have any real gripe?
phil maccavity
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4:20pm Fri 30 Nov 12
southy wrote:Would love to know the name of the company so we could all learn how a well run , socialist based, organisation works, especially without the benefit of non productive 'Office workers'.
phil maccavity wrote:It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
However I guess the company's name will never be divulged.
Is your sister still doing the books, Southy?
Stillness
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4:29pm Fri 30 Nov 12
phil maccavity wrote:I heard it was an English language school. I could be mastiken though.
southy wrote:Would love to know the name of the company so we could all learn how a well run , socialist based, organisation works, especially without the benefit of non productive 'Office workers'.
phil maccavity wrote:It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
However I guess the company's name will never be divulged.
Is your sister still doing the books, Southy?
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4:54pm Fri 30 Nov 12
bigfella777 says...
2:30pm Thu 29 Nov 12