Payouts 'an insult' to Ford contractors

Daily Echo: Ford's Transit factory in Swaythling, Southampton. Ford's Transit factory in Swaythling, Southampton.

ANGRY contractors at Ford’s doomed Southampton plant are furious at being offered just a fraction of the payout colleagues are in line for from the motor giant.

More than 200 sub-contractors at the Swaythling Transit factory have been told they are not entitled to the generous redundancy payments Ford’s 500 staff are getting when the facility is closed next summer.

Hampshire MPs have called on the USA-based firm to act fairly to do the right thing by loyal workers, many of whom have spent more than a decade at the Wide Lane plant.

Contractors employed through Penske Logistics told the Daily Echo they feel “insulted” at being “discriminated against”, after being told Ford will not be paying them a penny when it shuts the factory and shifts production to Turkey.

Instead, they are being offered six weeks’ pay on top of their statutory redundancy sum by their company, provided there is no disruption to production from industrial action and they miss no more than four days between December and the end of July.

As reported, Ford employees could be eligible for a voluntary redundancy package equivalent to virtually two years’ salary.

Examples of pay-offs seen by the Daily Echo range from £64,000 to £93,000 depending on age and length of service, and not including enhanced pensions.

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One Penske worker, who asked not to be named, said: “It’s absolutely disgraceful.

“All we’ve heard about is that we’re ‘One Southampton’ and that we’re all in it together, but it’s one rule for them and one rule for us.

“We’re being discriminated against. We’re fed up with being treated like something on the bottom of your shoe.”

Another contractor, who also wanted to remain anonymous, added: “It’s taken four weeks since the announcement for them to tell us what we’re getting. The Ford guys knew within three days.

“We’ve given out time and effort for years and it’s for nothing. I’ve got to keep a roof over my head – where’s the money going to come from?”

Southampton Itchen MP John Denham and fellow Hampshire MPs Chris Huhne, Alan Whitehead and Caroline Nokes have jointly written to Ford’s UK boss to demand he acts on his pledge to support subcontractors.

Mr Denham said: “This is clearly an offer that falls well short of what’s on the table for Ford employees.

“I’ve always made it clear that I thought Ford should make sure that people who have worked loyally for their supply companies should be equally well treated.”

Eastleigh MP Mr Huhne added: “There is some obligation on the part of Ford. It’s not so easy to wash their hands of these people because they’ve had long-term relationships with these companies.”

But a Ford spokesman said last night it would be wrong for the company to get involved in the negotiations other firms are having with their workers.

He said: “At the moment we’re fully concentrated on discussions with our own employees with regards to this restructuring, and other businesses’ employees aren’t part of those discussions.”

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2:30pm Thu 29 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

They are lucky to get anything.
They are lucky to get anything. bigfella777
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2:32pm Thu 29 Nov 12

10 Minute Man says...

Isn't that the deal if you're a contractor rather than a permie ? In many industries contractors earn higher daily rates but don't have the other benefits (or disadvantages) of full time permanent staff.

I assume they are getting something to ensure they don't flounce off before the factory closes.
Isn't that the deal if you're a contractor rather than a permie ? In many industries contractors earn higher daily rates but don't have the other benefits (or disadvantages) of full time permanent staff. I assume they are getting something to ensure they don't flounce off before the factory closes. 10 Minute Man
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2:36pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Shoong says...

I've been working as a contractor for the past 6 years and found a few months ago my role is being moved to India. Not pleasant, but apparently if the agency cannot find new work for me 4 weeks after leaving the post then they owe me £430 for every year worked.

This sort of thing doesn't apply here then? Just a wonderin'...
I've been working as a contractor for the past 6 years and found a few months ago my role is being moved to India. Not pleasant, but apparently if the agency cannot find new work for me 4 weeks after leaving the post then they owe me £430 for every year worked. This sort of thing doesn't apply here then? Just a wonderin'... Shoong
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2:38pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Stillness says...

I would have thought their gripe would be with their employer, not Ford. I've been very fortunate in that I have only been made redundant once. The payment was one weeks pay for each full year of service NOT including the first year. Mind you we had a choice, we could take it, or leave it. Perhaps they should count their blessings. As the old saying goes "Don't be sad it's over. Be happy that it happened.
I would have thought their gripe would be with their employer, not Ford. I've been very fortunate in that I have only been made redundant once. The payment was one weeks pay for each full year of service NOT including the first year. Mind you we had a choice, we could take it, or leave it. Perhaps they should count their blessings. As the old saying goes "Don't be sad it's over. Be happy that it happened. Stillness
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2:41pm Thu 29 Nov 12

__KTF__ says...

The whole point of them being contractors is that they are expendable.

As they are now finding out...
The whole point of them being contractors is that they are expendable. As they are now finding out... __KTF__
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2:58pm Thu 29 Nov 12

jade25 says...

I am VERY glad I didn't go back to Ford this time last year when 'Penske' took over some of the workers from Ford! It's a good job they gave the job I went for to an internal applicant!
I am VERY glad I didn't go back to Ford this time last year when 'Penske' took over some of the workers from Ford! It's a good job they gave the job I went for to an internal applicant! jade25
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2:59pm Thu 29 Nov 12

ohec says...

“We’ve given out time and effort for years and it’s for nothing.
Correction you haven't given you have been well paid for your years of service, and if you cant see the difference between being a contractor and a Ford Motor Company employee then as a simpleton you are very lucky to have been employed at all.
Six weeks pay and redundancy pay is more than generous as its six weeks extra pay for just doing your job until the plant closes.
Can a contractor give me one good reason why they think Ford owe them anymore than the pay they have earned and can you tell my why you think Ford employed contractors instead of directly employing more staff.
“We’ve given out time and effort for years and it’s for nothing. Correction you haven't given you have been well paid for your years of service, and if you cant see the difference between being a contractor and a Ford Motor Company employee then as a simpleton you are very lucky to have been employed at all. Six weeks pay and redundancy pay is more than generous as its six weeks extra pay for just doing your job until the plant closes. Can a contractor give me one good reason why they think Ford owe them anymore than the pay they have earned and can you tell my why you think Ford employed contractors instead of directly employing more staff. ohec
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3:13pm Thu 29 Nov 12

townieboy says...

Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance. townieboy
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3:31pm Thu 29 Nov 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

ford cutting the deadwood , into the real world.
ford cutting the deadwood , into the real world. arthur dalyrimple
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3:35pm Thu 29 Nov 12

susieq750 says...

Im sure these contractors did not complain when they were taking home the "Big Bucks" they earn from being employed as a contractor surely they should have saved for situations like this in the first place. Penske are their employers not Fords, what does it have to do with them. They should count themselves lucky they are being offered anything !!!!! GREEDY springs to mind.
Im sure these contractors did not complain when they were taking home the "Big Bucks" they earn from being employed as a contractor surely they should have saved for situations like this in the first place. Penske are their employers not Fords, what does it have to do with them. They should count themselves lucky they are being offered anything !!!!! GREEDY springs to mind. susieq750
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3:36pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Shoong says...

townieboy wrote:
Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.[/p][/quote]Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all. Shoong
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3:40pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Stillness says...

Shoong wrote:
townieboy wrote:
Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
If you say so but I think your being a little harsh.
What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.[/p][/quote]Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.[/p][/quote]If you say so but I think your being a little harsh. What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans? Stillness
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3:41pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Shoong says...

Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
townieboy wrote:
Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
If you say so but I think your being a little harsh.
What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?
Never mind!
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.[/p][/quote]Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.[/p][/quote]If you say so but I think your being a little harsh. What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?[/p][/quote]Never mind! Shoong
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3:45pm Thu 29 Nov 12

townieboy says...

Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
townieboy wrote: Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
If you say so but I think your being a little harsh. What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?
Arnt they getting pay offs that there not really intititled to ? They have had it good for years scamming the system but the gravy train has come to an end. Hard luck but 10 years contracting is one hell of a run. Count themselves lucky they worked for that long at one company.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.[/p][/quote]Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.[/p][/quote]If you say so but I think your being a little harsh. What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?[/p][/quote]Arnt they getting pay offs that there not really intititled to ? They have had it good for years scamming the system but the gravy train has come to an end. Hard luck but 10 years contracting is one hell of a run. Count themselves lucky they worked for that long at one company. townieboy
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3:54pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Stillness says...

Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
townieboy wrote:
Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
If you say so but I think your being a little harsh.
What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?
Never mind!
Duck Shoong! Whoosh, another one fly's over your head ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.[/p][/quote]Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.[/p][/quote]If you say so but I think your being a little harsh. What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?[/p][/quote]Never mind![/p][/quote]Duck Shoong! Whoosh, another one fly's over your head ;-) Stillness
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5:07pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Shoong says...

I was being ironic, maybe in you trying to be sarcy back I misunderstood.

I of course, bow before the rapier wit!
I was being ironic, maybe in you trying to be sarcy back I misunderstood. I of course, bow before the rapier wit! Shoong
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5:07pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Shoong says...

Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Shoong wrote:
townieboy wrote:
Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.
Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.
If you say so but I think your being a little harsh.
What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?
Never mind!
Duck Shoong! Whoosh, another one fly's over your head ;-)
I was being ironic, maybe in you trying to be sarcy back I misunderstood.

I of course, bow before the rapier wit!
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Never heard the like. CONTRACTORS wanting huge pay offs.lol.Their not even employed by ford. They fiddle the system buy paying themselves minimum wage, also pay a pittance in national insurance and tax. I bet they rubbed it in to the ford workers for years saying what mugs they are for working for ford. PAY BACK. Why didnt they join a union ? Because there innit for themselves no one else. Their only loyality to the company who pay the most not fords. Give them their weeks notice and good riddance.[/p][/quote]Fantastic attitude, it's not like they are human beings after all.[/p][/quote]If you say so but I think your being a little harsh. What makes you think that they aren't being treated as humans?[/p][/quote]Never mind![/p][/quote]Duck Shoong! Whoosh, another one fly's over your head ;-)[/p][/quote]I was being ironic, maybe in you trying to be sarcy back I misunderstood. I of course, bow before the rapier wit! Shoong
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5:12pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law Over the Edge
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5:12pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Stillness says...

Arise Sir Shoong.
Arise Sir Shoong. Stillness
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5:14pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Stillness says...

Over the Edge wrote:
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
Oh God. Did you have to say that?
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law[/p][/quote]Oh God. Did you have to say that? Stillness
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5:15pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Shoong says...

Stillness wrote:
Arise Sir Shoong.
Can I have a feel about on the way up? That's what you want isn't it?


Whoooooshh!!! (how ghey).
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: Arise Sir Shoong.[/p][/quote]Can I have a feel about on the way up? That's what you want isn't it? Whoooooshh!!! (how ghey). Shoong
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5:22pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Stillness says...

Shoong wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Arise Sir Shoong.
Can I have a feel about on the way up? That's what you want isn't it?


Whoooooshh!!! (how ghey).
If it would make you lighten up feel away.
You may want to check the spelling of whoosh though.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: Arise Sir Shoong.[/p][/quote]Can I have a feel about on the way up? That's what you want isn't it? Whoooooshh!!! (how ghey).[/p][/quote]If it would make you lighten up feel away. You may want to check the spelling of whoosh though. Stillness
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5:27pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Ted Rogers says...

Agree with Ford on this one. Unfortunately in this situation it would be unrealistic for Fords to compensate everybody affected by their exit. Penske as the employer for these contractors have been rewarded handsomely for a number of years as a preferred supplier of labour to the factory. It's Penske that has a duty of care to their employees (the contractors) it's not Ford's responsibility. Ford is rightly offering just compensation to their employees as they are legally bound.
As far as employment methods and the legalities of labour supply and termination Ford are acting both lawfully and reasonably.
Agree with Ford on this one. Unfortunately in this situation it would be unrealistic for Fords to compensate everybody affected by their exit. Penske as the employer for these contractors have been rewarded handsomely for a number of years as a preferred supplier of labour to the factory. It's Penske that has a duty of care to their employees (the contractors) it's not Ford's responsibility. Ford is rightly offering just compensation to their employees as they are legally bound. As far as employment methods and the legalities of labour supply and termination Ford are acting both lawfully and reasonably. Ted Rogers
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5:39pm Thu 29 Nov 12

loosehead says...

So these contractors are being paid redundancy by their employer (Penske) & another company (Ford) are giving them six weeks pay so why are they whinging?
Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to?
They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill?
Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske.
Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company.
If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay?
So these contractors are being paid redundancy by their employer (Penske) & another company (Ford) are giving them six weeks pay so why are they whinging? Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to? They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill? Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske. Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company. If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay? loosehead
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6:54pm Thu 29 Nov 12

100%HANTSBOY says...

loosehead wrote:
So these contractors are being paid redundancy by their employer (Penske) & another company (Ford) are giving them six weeks pay so why are they whinging?
Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to?
They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill?
Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske.
Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company.
If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay?
I think the article says they are being paid six weeks on top of redundancy money by THEIR own company (Penske).

I am a contractor on the railway and on a "zero" hour contract,but I am paid about 20% above a similar Grade on the mainstream industry.

I would be entitled to nothing if the work dried up,so these guys should think themselves lucky that they are to receive any payments at all.

I'm suspicious though,that perhaps Ford are behind these payments,as to avoid the contractors walking early and affecting production,but I guess we'll never know.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So these contractors are being paid redundancy by their employer (Penske) & another company (Ford) are giving them six weeks pay so why are they whinging? Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to? They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill? Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske. Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company. If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay?[/p][/quote]I think the article says they are being paid six weeks on top of redundancy money by THEIR own company (Penske). I am a contractor on the railway and on a "zero" hour contract,but I am paid about 20% above a similar Grade on the mainstream industry. I would be entitled to nothing if the work dried up,so these guys should think themselves lucky that they are to receive any payments at all. I'm suspicious though,that perhaps Ford are behind these payments,as to avoid the contractors walking early and affecting production,but I guess we'll never know. 100%HANTSBOY
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7:16pm Thu 29 Nov 12

huckit P says...

Being a contractor has its positive and negative points. I have been a contractor for more years than I care to admit and when employed the money was good. But I have now been unemployed for more than a year. Yes, I saved for periods of unemployment but it's amazing how fast the money goes out of your account when nothing is coming in. I wish my employer had paid 6 weeks on top of any redundancy I received.
My advice to the Ford/Penske contractors - be thankful for what you are about to receive and may you be truly thankful!
Being a contractor has its positive and negative points. I have been a contractor for more years than I care to admit and when employed the money was good. But I have now been unemployed for more than a year. Yes, I saved for periods of unemployment but it's amazing how fast the money goes out of your account when nothing is coming in. I wish my employer had paid 6 weeks on top of any redundancy I received. My advice to the Ford/Penske contractors - be thankful for what you are about to receive and may you be truly thankful! huckit P
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7:54pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Stillness says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So these contractors are being paid redundancy by their employer (Penske) & another company (Ford) are giving them six weeks pay so why are they whinging?
Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to?
They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill?
Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske.
Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company.
If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay?
I think the article says they are being paid six weeks on top of redundancy money by THEIR own company (Penske).

I am a contractor on the railway and on a "zero" hour contract,but I am paid about 20% above a similar Grade on the mainstream industry.

I would be entitled to nothing if the work dried up,so these guys should think themselves lucky that they are to receive any payments at all.

I'm suspicious though,that perhaps Ford are behind these payments,as to avoid the contractors walking early and affecting production,but I guess we'll never know.
I would guess that Ford have offered Penske a payment for each person that Penske can keep on site or, perhaps Penske are inline to make a penalty payment to Ford if they can't. Either way the contract workers are getting extra money they would not normally get.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So these contractors are being paid redundancy by their employer (Penske) & another company (Ford) are giving them six weeks pay so why are they whinging? Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to? They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill? Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske. Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company. If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay?[/p][/quote]I think the article says they are being paid six weeks on top of redundancy money by THEIR own company (Penske). I am a contractor on the railway and on a "zero" hour contract,but I am paid about 20% above a similar Grade on the mainstream industry. I would be entitled to nothing if the work dried up,so these guys should think themselves lucky that they are to receive any payments at all. I'm suspicious though,that perhaps Ford are behind these payments,as to avoid the contractors walking early and affecting production,but I guess we'll never know.[/p][/quote]I would guess that Ford have offered Penske a payment for each person that Penske can keep on site or, perhaps Penske are inline to make a penalty payment to Ford if they can't. Either way the contract workers are getting extra money they would not normally get. Stillness
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8:14pm Thu 29 Nov 12

peter.maidment says...

i am a charge hand in company that employs mostly contractors, one of these guys has just spent 30 thousand on a used porshe, gives me hope that one day i can update my rover lol
i am a charge hand in company that employs mostly contractors, one of these guys has just spent 30 thousand on a used porshe, gives me hope that one day i can update my rover lol peter.maidment
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8:22pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Stillness says...

peter.maidment wrote:
i am a charge hand in company that employs mostly contractors, one of these guys has just spent 30 thousand on a used porshe, gives me hope that one day i can update my rover lol
He may like to reconsider his investment portfolio.
[quote][p][bold]peter.maidment[/bold] wrote: i am a charge hand in company that employs mostly contractors, one of these guys has just spent 30 thousand on a used porshe, gives me hope that one day i can update my rover lol[/p][/quote]He may like to reconsider his investment portfolio. Stillness
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8:24pm Thu 29 Nov 12

gillyman says...

the fact is they do not work for ford motor company i would not be surprised if the bosses of the contract companies pay themselves a healthy redundancy at the expense of their cheap labour
the fact is they do not work for ford motor company i would not be surprised if the bosses of the contract companies pay themselves a healthy redundancy at the expense of their cheap labour gillyman
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9:16pm Thu 29 Nov 12

loosehead says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So these contractors are being paid redundancy by their employer (Penske) & another company (Ford) are giving them six weeks pay so why are they whinging?
Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to?
They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill?
Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske.
Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company.
If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay?
I think the article says they are being paid six weeks on top of redundancy money by THEIR own company (Penske).

I am a contractor on the railway and on a "zero" hour contract,but I am paid about 20% above a similar Grade on the mainstream industry.

I would be entitled to nothing if the work dried up,so these guys should think themselves lucky that they are to receive any payments at all.

I'm suspicious though,that perhaps Ford are behind these payments,as to avoid the contractors walking early and affecting production,but I guess we'll never know.
hantsboy I stand corrected. I've read the article again & yes your right so sorry I read it wrong.
I worked for a company called Bardic Eng. if you were there for 5 years or more you got at least 17weeks pay.
I was made redundant a week before I got the basic state redundancy pay.
therefore to know you have work until next summer is a bonus & on top of redundancy pay you'll get b6 weeks extra is great but these Penske workers want the same as Ford Workers?
The only thing they should be offered is to take their money & leave early if they have found alternative work.
I know that some companies will let the temps go at Christmas & actively seek out cheaper agencies & many times it's the same workers on less money for another agency I know BAT did this by swapping from Manpower to Rights
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So these contractors are being paid redundancy by their employer (Penske) & another company (Ford) are giving them six weeks pay so why are they whinging? Ford not being their employer doesn't have to give them anything so why are they upset with a pay out they're not entitled to? They say we're all one? Really did you honestly believe that company spill? Most companies say it to the Temps to try to get the most out of them but in reality you were expendable Permanent workers were harder to get rid of & have contracts with Ford them selves not contracted to Penske. Therefore Ford have agreements in place with their workers & the Unions on redundancy pay there is no such agreement with a contract company. If these workers weren't happy with that why work there? or were you happy with your monthly pay?[/p][/quote]I think the article says they are being paid six weeks on top of redundancy money by THEIR own company (Penske). I am a contractor on the railway and on a "zero" hour contract,but I am paid about 20% above a similar Grade on the mainstream industry. I would be entitled to nothing if the work dried up,so these guys should think themselves lucky that they are to receive any payments at all. I'm suspicious though,that perhaps Ford are behind these payments,as to avoid the contractors walking early and affecting production,but I guess we'll never know.[/p][/quote]hantsboy I stand corrected. I've read the article again & yes your right so sorry I read it wrong. I worked for a company called Bardic Eng. if you were there for 5 years or more you got at least 17weeks pay. I was made redundant a week before I got the basic state redundancy pay. therefore to know you have work until next summer is a bonus & on top of redundancy pay you'll get b6 weeks extra is great but these Penske workers want the same as Ford Workers? The only thing they should be offered is to take their money & leave early if they have found alternative work. I know that some companies will let the temps go at Christmas & actively seek out cheaper agencies & many times it's the same workers on less money for another agency I know BAT did this by swapping from Manpower to Rights loosehead
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2:25am Fri 30 Nov 12

southy says...

Over the Edge wrote:
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.

I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law[/p][/quote]Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give. I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent. southy
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7:04am Fri 30 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.

I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
So once again you cheer on a Labour win & gloat about where the Tories came?
Where did the TUSC come?
When did you ever think the Tories would do well in Rotherham?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law[/p][/quote]Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give. I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.[/p][/quote]So once again you cheer on a Labour win & gloat about where the Tories came? Where did the TUSC come? When did you ever think the Tories would do well in Rotherham? loosehead
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8:26am Fri 30 Nov 12

Big Mac says...

Some sensible exchanges here, then Southy goes off on one!
Are the Ford workers/Contracters and their depenents really interested in tin pot results, especially at the time they were posted – 2.25am!
You're clearly not living in the real world Mouthy.
Some sensible exchanges here, then Southy goes off on one! Are the Ford workers/Contracters and their depenents really interested in tin pot results, especially at the time they were posted – 2.25am! You're clearly not living in the real world Mouthy. Big Mac
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8:53am Fri 30 Nov 12

Stillness says...

southy wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.

I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law[/p][/quote]Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give. I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.[/p][/quote]Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I? Stillness
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9:03am Fri 30 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.

I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I?
Did he honestly expect anything else in what was a Labour stronghold?
Southy can you see evil capitalism at work here?
Workers getting good pay now receiving a good pay out but wanting more & seeing green with envy that some one has got more than them?
or is that the socialist way? seeing what some one else has & wanting it for free?
These contractors are out of order & if I ran a company & an applicant wrote down as previous employer Penske & work place Ford I would steer well clear of that applicant
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law[/p][/quote]Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give. I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.[/p][/quote]Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I?[/p][/quote]Did he honestly expect anything else in what was a Labour stronghold? Southy can you see evil capitalism at work here? Workers getting good pay now receiving a good pay out but wanting more & seeing green with envy that some one has got more than them? or is that the socialist way? seeing what some one else has & wanting it for free? These contractors are out of order & if I ran a company & an applicant wrote down as previous employer Penske & work place Ford I would steer well clear of that applicant loosehead
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10:32am Fri 30 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?. It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!! phil maccavity
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12:29pm Fri 30 Nov 12

southy says...

phil maccavity wrote:
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?. It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!![/p][/quote]It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before southy
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12:41pm Fri 30 Nov 12

southy says...

Big Mac wrote:
Some sensible exchanges here, then Southy goes off on one!
Are the Ford workers/Contracters and their depenents really interested in tin pot results, especially at the time they were posted – 2.25am!
You're clearly not living in the real world Mouthy.
I am in the real world unlike you i do not bury my head in the sand.
And sensilble exchanges for you is only when others think the same way as you do, you do not like alternative view.
At 2.25 is part of the real world watching results as they come in.
[quote][p][bold]Big Mac[/bold] wrote: Some sensible exchanges here, then Southy goes off on one! Are the Ford workers/Contracters and their depenents really interested in tin pot results, especially at the time they were posted – 2.25am! You're clearly not living in the real world Mouthy.[/p][/quote]I am in the real world unlike you i do not bury my head in the sand. And sensilble exchanges for you is only when others think the same way as you do, you do not like alternative view. At 2.25 is part of the real world watching results as they come in. southy
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12:57pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Stillness says...

southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?. It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!![/p][/quote]It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before[/p][/quote]Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them. Stillness
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12:58pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Stillness says...

Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them.
That would be male bovine poop.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?. It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!![/p][/quote]It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before[/p][/quote]Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them.[/p][/quote]That would be male bovine poop. Stillness
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1:03pm Fri 30 Nov 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.

I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I?
Did he honestly expect anything else in what was a Labour stronghold?
Southy can you see evil capitalism at work here?
Workers getting good pay now receiving a good pay out but wanting more & seeing green with envy that some one has got more than them?
or is that the socialist way? seeing what some one else has & wanting it for free?
These contractors are out of order & if I ran a company & an applicant wrote down as previous employer Penske & work place Ford I would steer well clear of that applicant
No I did not Loose thats part of the reason why the TUSC only put up a paper candidate, the other reasons why is because the guy was working away from home and did not have any time to do any sort of canvassing, and the TUSC in Rotherham is a new branch and they needed to test the waters and again the TUSC candidate was put forward at the last possible moment, work in Rotherham only just started it will take a few more elections before they can get a base line of voters, (I still not got my base line of voters here in Redbridge ward and thats after 2 local elections).
yes it is a Labour Stong hold but I did not expect the Tory vote to be split, not in the way it did, by rights the Torys should of came second like they normally do, but to be push into 5th place, Think thats telling the Tory/Lib,Dems Government some thing.
Is there some thing wrong with Penske, I know its workers are to soft by not striking with the Ford workers when there is a strike, but as for the admin of Penske do not know alot about them, these types of agencys tend to be here today gone tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law[/p][/quote]Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give. I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.[/p][/quote]Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I?[/p][/quote]Did he honestly expect anything else in what was a Labour stronghold? Southy can you see evil capitalism at work here? Workers getting good pay now receiving a good pay out but wanting more & seeing green with envy that some one has got more than them? or is that the socialist way? seeing what some one else has & wanting it for free? These contractors are out of order & if I ran a company & an applicant wrote down as previous employer Penske & work place Ford I would steer well clear of that applicant[/p][/quote]No I did not Loose thats part of the reason why the TUSC only put up a paper candidate, the other reasons why is because the guy was working away from home and did not have any time to do any sort of canvassing, and the TUSC in Rotherham is a new branch and they needed to test the waters and again the TUSC candidate was put forward at the last possible moment, work in Rotherham only just started it will take a few more elections before they can get a base line of voters, (I still not got my base line of voters here in Redbridge ward and thats after 2 local elections). yes it is a Labour Stong hold but I did not expect the Tory vote to be split, not in the way it did, by rights the Torys should of came second like they normally do, but to be push into 5th place, Think thats telling the Tory/Lib,Dems Government some thing. Is there some thing wrong with Penske, I know its workers are to soft by not striking with the Ford workers when there is a strike, but as for the admin of Penske do not know alot about them, these types of agencys tend to be here today gone tomorrow. southy
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1:05pm Fri 30 Nov 12

southy says...

Stillness wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them.
That would be male bovine poop.
Well your full of it stillness, try Big Mac he full of it to
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?. It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!![/p][/quote]It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before[/p][/quote]Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them.[/p][/quote]That would be male bovine poop.[/p][/quote]Well your full of it stillness, try Big Mac he full of it to southy
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1:11pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Stillness says...

southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them.
That would be male bovine poop.
Well your full of it stillness, try Big Mac he full of it to
No website then? Shame, I hear Google translate has come on leaps and bounds and I was looking forward to testing it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?. It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!![/p][/quote]It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before[/p][/quote]Have you got a website? I'm digging the vegetable beds over and I need some **** for them.[/p][/quote]That would be male bovine poop.[/p][/quote]Well your full of it stillness, try Big Mac he full of it to[/p][/quote]No website then? Shame, I hear Google translate has come on leaps and bounds and I was looking forward to testing it. Stillness
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2:08pm Fri 30 Nov 12

ohec says...

Its a great shame when sensible discussion etc is brought to an end with southy's endless drivel especially when its largely incoherent miss spelt drivel, what i don't understand is why people encourage him because not one thing he says makes sense. I question whether mental institutions should have internet access.
Its a great shame when sensible discussion etc is brought to an end with southy's endless drivel especially when its largely incoherent miss spelt drivel, what i don't understand is why people encourage him because not one thing he says makes sense. I question whether mental institutions should have internet access. ohec
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3:20pm Fri 30 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law
Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give.

I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.
Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I?
Did he honestly expect anything else in what was a Labour stronghold?
Southy can you see evil capitalism at work here?
Workers getting good pay now receiving a good pay out but wanting more & seeing green with envy that some one has got more than them?
or is that the socialist way? seeing what some one else has & wanting it for free?
These contractors are out of order & if I ran a company & an applicant wrote down as previous employer Penske & work place Ford I would steer well clear of that applicant
No I did not Loose thats part of the reason why the TUSC only put up a paper candidate, the other reasons why is because the guy was working away from home and did not have any time to do any sort of canvassing, and the TUSC in Rotherham is a new branch and they needed to test the waters and again the TUSC candidate was put forward at the last possible moment, work in Rotherham only just started it will take a few more elections before they can get a base line of voters, (I still not got my base line of voters here in Redbridge ward and thats after 2 local elections).
yes it is a Labour Stong hold but I did not expect the Tory vote to be split, not in the way it did, by rights the Torys should of came second like they normally do, but to be push into 5th place, Think thats telling the Tory/Lib,Dems Government some thing.
Is there some thing wrong with Penske, I know its workers are to soft by not striking with the Ford workers when there is a strike, but as for the admin of Penske do not know alot about them, these types of agencys tend to be here today gone tomorrow.
It's telling ALL major Parties we the voters have had enough of the EU.
The EU gave £80 million of our money to a non EU country.
UKIP is on the rise & now they need to target Labour Strongholds as Labour have said they listened to the people but are pro EU?
We as a nation will lose more companies to Eastern Europe whilst in the EU but I'll still vote Tory.
Now Do you think the contractors have any real gripe?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Where Southy when you need him? ,,,,I'm sure the font of all knowledge that is the Southymiester will inform us all of the entitlement both legally and Southy law[/p][/quote]Contractors are paid redundancy, but it will all come down to what the law will allow and what the company willing to give. I been more interested in the 3 by-elections results, Labour won all 3, but the best results came from Rotherham where the Torys came 5th and only just managed to keep there deposit, even BNP and UKIP beat the Torys. Repect came second, while the Lib/dems came last in 8th in front of them was English Democrats and an independent.[/p][/quote]Nice to see so much concern for the down trodden workers you normally harp on about. I'm sure you will come back with something remotely relevant once you have recovered from your night of celebration and self satisfaction, or do I mean self satisfying? No, I got it right the first time, didn't I?[/p][/quote]Did he honestly expect anything else in what was a Labour stronghold? Southy can you see evil capitalism at work here? Workers getting good pay now receiving a good pay out but wanting more & seeing green with envy that some one has got more than them? or is that the socialist way? seeing what some one else has & wanting it for free? These contractors are out of order & if I ran a company & an applicant wrote down as previous employer Penske & work place Ford I would steer well clear of that applicant[/p][/quote]No I did not Loose thats part of the reason why the TUSC only put up a paper candidate, the other reasons why is because the guy was working away from home and did not have any time to do any sort of canvassing, and the TUSC in Rotherham is a new branch and they needed to test the waters and again the TUSC candidate was put forward at the last possible moment, work in Rotherham only just started it will take a few more elections before they can get a base line of voters, (I still not got my base line of voters here in Redbridge ward and thats after 2 local elections). yes it is a Labour Stong hold but I did not expect the Tory vote to be split, not in the way it did, by rights the Torys should of came second like they normally do, but to be push into 5th place, Think thats telling the Tory/Lib,Dems Government some thing. Is there some thing wrong with Penske, I know its workers are to soft by not striking with the Ford workers when there is a strike, but as for the admin of Penske do not know alot about them, these types of agencys tend to be here today gone tomorrow.[/p][/quote]It's telling ALL major Parties we the voters have had enough of the EU. The EU gave £80 million of our money to a non EU country. UKIP is on the rise & now they need to target Labour Strongholds as Labour have said they listened to the people but are pro EU? We as a nation will lose more companies to Eastern Europe whilst in the EU but I'll still vote Tory. Now Do you think the contractors have any real gripe? loosehead
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4:20pm Fri 30 Nov 12

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
Would love to know the name of the company so we could all learn how a well run , socialist based, organisation works, especially without the benefit of non productive 'Office workers'.
However I guess the company's name will never be divulged.
Is your sister still doing the books, Southy?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?. It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!![/p][/quote]It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before[/p][/quote]Would love to know the name of the company so we could all learn how a well run , socialist based, organisation works, especially without the benefit of non productive 'Office workers'. However I guess the company's name will never be divulged. Is your sister still doing the books, Southy? phil maccavity
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4:29pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Stillness says...

phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?.
It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!!
It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before
Would love to know the name of the company so we could all learn how a well run , socialist based, organisation works, especially without the benefit of non productive 'Office workers'.
However I guess the company's name will never be divulged.
Is your sister still doing the books, Southy?
I heard it was an English language school. I could be mastiken though.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the workers got when the company Southy 'ran' (with his sister) packed up?. It was probably a 'Co-Operative' so every one got the same!![/p][/quote]It has not pack up its still going Phil, one of the front line workers is running it now, and I did tell you this before[/p][/quote]Would love to know the name of the company so we could all learn how a well run , socialist based, organisation works, especially without the benefit of non productive 'Office workers'. However I guess the company's name will never be divulged. Is your sister still doing the books, Southy?[/p][/quote]I heard it was an English language school. I could be mastiken though. Stillness
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4:54pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Big Mac says...

I think it's called the fiction factory - turns out all sorts of made up stuff
I think it's called the fiction factory - turns out all sorts of made up stuff Big Mac
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