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£70m plans to transform wasteland next to WestQuay get thumbs-up
9:58am Friday 7th December 2012 in News
By Jon Reeve, Education Reporter
Striking vision for new £70m WestQuay scheme
PLANS for a £70m flagship development to bring restaurants and a cinema complex to the heart of Southampton have received an enthusiastic thumbs-up from people in the city.
As revealed in yesterday’s Daily Echo, developer Hammerson hopes to transform the empty wasteland next to WestQuay Shopping Centre into a bustling leisure hub, featuring restaurants, a luxury cinema and potentially a bowling alley.
Initial reaction from the people visiting an exhibition to show off the proposals yesterday was positive.
Scores of shoppers and residents stopped off to examine artists’ impressions and a model of the plans, which were on display in the shopping centre, as well as talk to representatives from the international property investment firm about the Watermark WestQuay scheme.
Visitors were encouraged to give feedback on the proposals, which Hammerson’s development manager Guy Wells said would be used to finalise an initial planning application, which is expected to be submitted to the city council in February.
He said: “It’s been very positive. We’ve been busy since before 9am and we’ve had lots of people coming along and have had some very positive feedback.
“Lots of people have given us some good ideas and we’re pleased with how it’s going.
“The next stage for us is to take everybody’s comments, listen to those and incorporate any changes we need to so that we can lodge our planning application in the spring.”
Mr Wells said Hammerson is determined to turn Watermark, which has been nearly a decade in the planning, into a reality.
The firm hopes to complete the leisure complex first phase of the scheme by spring 2016, while a second stage – including a residential tower and offices or hotels – could follow within two years.
Comments(56)
Lone Ranger.
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11:09am Fri 7 Dec 12
southy wrote:Judging by the number of people that use them and considering how most of the shop units are occupied ...... it seems as this is what the public want
Don't you think there is to many off these Shopping malls, would be better to turn it all into free parking, Traveling and parking cost is keeping people away
voiceof thepeople
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11:10am Fri 7 Dec 12
Restaurants ? or fast food restaurants, I don't want to queue up at a counter, do you remember when you could go into a restaurant, sit down and order from a menu - unlike most eateries at the revamped West Quay....
elvisimo
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11:13am Fri 7 Dec 12
voiceof thepeople wrote:Restaurants.
Restaurants ? or fast food restaurants, I don't want to queue up at a counter, do you remember when you could go into a restaurant, sit down and order from a menu - unlike most eateries at the revamped West Quay....
southy
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11:52am Fri 7 Dec 12
Lone Ranger. wrote:Is it or is it a case of people being force into the area to do shopping, where they letting areas like Shirley run down and having to pay the full business rates and do not get discounts like corporations do.
southy wrote:Judging by the number of people that use them and considering how most of the shop units are occupied ...... it seems as this is what the public want
Don't you think there is to many off these Shopping malls, would be better to turn it all into free parking, Traveling and parking cost is keeping people away
We gone from out of town shopping to center of town shopping wheres that happy middle of the road that the city use to have.
Did the people get ask what they want or is it a case we being told thats what we want and not need.
loosehead
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11:57am Fri 7 Dec 12
southy wrote:Southy went into town yesterday to get a pocket watch fixed I was stuck in a queue for a car park that I usually drive straight into.
Don't you think there is to many off these Shopping malls, would be better to turn it all into free parking, Traveling and parking cost is keeping people away
then I took the pocket watch to west Quay showed them the receipt they'd given us less than a year ago & said it was no good as it was so faint you couldn't read it which is not what they said when we bought the b+oody thing.
Do you know where I can buy a cheap wind up Pocket watch( Hunter/Or similar?) If you do could you let me know please?
Taskforce 141
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12:12pm Fri 7 Dec 12
One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking...
How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment).
The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.
How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment).
The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.
southy
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12:39pm Fri 7 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:Try Ringwood and/or Salisbury, theres a Gun Shop in Ringwood (or use to be its been awhile since last there on market day) that sold hunters, other places I know are to far away.
southy wrote:Southy went into town yesterday to get a pocket watch fixed I was stuck in a queue for a car park that I usually drive straight into.
Don't you think there is to many off these Shopping malls, would be better to turn it all into free parking, Traveling and parking cost is keeping people away
then I took the pocket watch to west Quay showed them the receipt they'd given us less than a year ago & said it was no good as it was so faint you couldn't read it which is not what they said when we bought the b+oody thing.
Do you know where I can buy a cheap wind up Pocket watch( Hunter/Or similar?) If you do could you let me know please?
jonnyx
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12:51pm Fri 7 Dec 12
"a bustling leisure hub, featuring restaurants, a luxury cinema and potentially a bowling alley."
POTENTIALLY A BOWLING ALLEY!!! wow, they really are building a new jerusalem here aren't they.
POTENTIALLY A BOWLING ALLEY!!! wow, they really are building a new jerusalem here aren't they.
sotonboy84
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12:52pm Fri 7 Dec 12
The city doesn't need even more shops and cheap fast food restaurants… That area of town is becoming so over developed and a real concrete/metal/glass jungle.
I've always thought that that area of land would make a wonderful park giving the city even more green open space, the beautiful city walls and 40 steps as a back drop to the park and vice versa and you could see some of the big cruise liners in port.
I've always thought that that area of land would make a wonderful park giving the city even more green open space, the beautiful city walls and 40 steps as a back drop to the park and vice versa and you could see some of the big cruise liners in port.
southy
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12:52pm Fri 7 Dec 12
Taskforce 141 wrote:I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking...
How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment).
The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.
elvisimo
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1:02pm Fri 7 Dec 12
sotonboy84 wrote:Who has said there is going to be "cheap fast food restaurants?" No one.
The city doesn't need even more shops and cheap fast food restaurants… That area of town is becoming so over developed and a real concrete/metal/glass jungle. I've always thought that that area of land would make a wonderful park giving the city even more green open space, the beautiful city walls and 40 steps as a back drop to the park and vice versa and you could see some of the big cruise liners in port.
Park space? - you have a swath of parks running through the centre of southampton .
elvisimo
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1:13pm Fri 7 Dec 12
southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere?
Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this.
"corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period.
A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation.
Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.
sotonboy84
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1:18pm Fri 7 Dec 12
elvisimo wrote:How many 'restaurants' other than cheap fast food restaurants does Westquay already have? NONE. So I don't see why an extension to the biggest shopping centre ever built in Southampton would be any different. I rest my case.
sotonboy84 wrote: The city doesn't need even more shops and cheap fast food restaurants… That area of town is becoming so over developed and a real concrete/metal/glass jungle. I've always thought that that area of land would make a wonderful park giving the city even more green open space, the beautiful city walls and 40 steps as a back drop to the park and vice versa and you could see some of the big cruise liners in port.Who has said there is going to be "cheap fast food restaurants?" No one. Park space? - you have a swath of parks running through the centre of southampton .
There are parks running through the city, well done for pointing that out but if you read my post properly you would see I said 'more' open space as I am already aware of our lovely listed parks.
Green open space would bring more benefits to our city than more overdevelopment would.
10 Minute Man
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1:26pm Fri 7 Dec 12
Loosehead - if you're claiming a repair/replacement under sales of goods act, you can use credit/debit card receipts or account statements to demonstrate you bought it there. Need not be one of their useless receipts written in invisible ink.
elvisimo
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1:26pm Fri 7 Dec 12
sotonboy84 wrote:er they are building it as a leisure scheme - to accomodate restaurants - that seems to be the biggest clue.
elvisimo wrote:How many 'restaurants' other than cheap fast food restaurants does Westquay already have? NONE. So I don't see why an extension to the biggest shopping centre ever built in Southampton would be any different. I rest my case. There are parks running through the city, well done for pointing that out but if you read my post properly you would see I said 'more' open space as I am already aware of our lovely listed parks. Green open space would bring more benefits to our city than more overdevelopment would.sotonboy84 wrote: The city doesn't need even more shops and cheap fast food restaurants… That area of town is becoming so over developed and a real concrete/metal/glass jungle. I've always thought that that area of land would make a wonderful park giving the city even more green open space, the beautiful city walls and 40 steps as a back drop to the park and vice versa and you could see some of the big cruise liners in port.Who has said there is going to be "cheap fast food restaurants?" No one. Park space? - you have a swath of parks running through the centre of southampton .
Do you class the likes of wagamammas (in west quay) and Nandos (in west quay) cafe rouge (in west quay) as fast food? if so you are quite posh. Unsubmit your case..
Dr Alimantado
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1:34pm Fri 7 Dec 12
voiceof thepeople wrote:like Pizza Hut, Yo Sushi, Wagamama, Pizza Express etc.
Restaurants ? or fast food restaurants, I don't want to queue up at a counter, do you remember when you could go into a restaurant, sit down and order from a menu - unlike most eateries at the revamped West Quay....
Pretty sure they all meet your sit down requirements
kingnotail
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1:42pm Fri 7 Dec 12
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!
southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere?
Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this.
"corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period.
A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation.
Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.
southy
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1:46pm Fri 7 Dec 12
elvisimo wrote:Business tax is set up in such away that it favours the more you got the cheaper it is per sq meter, Corporations can afford to take up large areas, while the smaller guys can not afford to, so it limits what they can do and puts pressure on the finances, Corporations can afford to turn round to a landlord take it of leave it we go else where and do the dictating, with smaller shops the indepentant shops can not, its been like this for 20 plus years and is the main reason why your smaller shops opening up only to close soon afterwards they do not have the finances like corporations do to be able to take up large areas.
southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere?
Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this.
"corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period.
A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation.
Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.
Council tax is set up the same way you can be living in the top band having a place as big as a hotel and only pay 3 times as much as some one in the bottom band. the whole system of tax and rent is geared around the more you got the cheaper it is.
kingnotail
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1:51pm Fri 7 Dec 12
sotonboy84 wrote:Another park where people can stare pointlessly at cruise ships will not save Southampton from mediocrity!
elvisimo wrote:How many 'restaurants' other than cheap fast food restaurants does Westquay already have? NONE. So I don't see why an extension to the biggest shopping centre ever built in Southampton would be any different. I rest my case.
sotonboy84 wrote: The city doesn't need even more shops and cheap fast food restaurants… That area of town is becoming so over developed and a real concrete/metal/glass jungle. I've always thought that that area of land would make a wonderful park giving the city even more green open space, the beautiful city walls and 40 steps as a back drop to the park and vice versa and you could see some of the big cruise liners in port.Who has said there is going to be "cheap fast food restaurants?" No one. Park space? - you have a swath of parks running through the centre of southampton .
There are parks running through the city, well done for pointing that out but if you read my post properly you would see I said 'more' open space as I am already aware of our lovely listed parks.
Green open space would bring more benefits to our city than more overdevelopment would.
phil maccavity
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2:08pm Fri 7 Dec 12
elvisimo wrote:Interestingly Sheffield has the greatest amount of green space within their city boundaries, mainly on the outskirts.
sotonboy84 wrote:Who has said there is going to be "cheap fast food restaurants?" No one.
The city doesn't need even more shops and cheap fast food restaurants… That area of town is becoming so over developed and a real concrete/metal/glass jungle. I've always thought that that area of land would make a wonderful park giving the city even more green open space, the beautiful city walls and 40 steps as a back drop to the park and vice versa and you could see some of the big cruise liners in port.
Park space? - you have a swath of parks running through the centre of southampton .
Southampton has the greatest ratio of green space in it's central area in the Uk.
loosehead
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3:12pm Fri 7 Dec 12
10 Minute Man wrote:My wife paid cash?
Loosehead - if you're claiming a repair/replacement under sales of goods act, you can use credit/debit card receipts or account statements to demonstrate you bought it there. Need not be one of their useless receipts written in invisible ink.
sotonboy84
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3:13pm Fri 7 Dec 12
elvisimo wrote:Yes I do consider them fast food, they're chains that rely on people to come in, order a quick cheap meal then clear off quickly so the next lot can sit in your warm seats.
sotonboy84 wrote:er they are building it as a leisure scheme - to accomodate restaurants - that seems to be the biggest clue. Do you class the likes of wagamammas (in west quay) and Nandos (in west quay) cafe rouge (in west quay) as fast food? if so you are quite posh. Unsubmit your case..elvisimo wrote:How many 'restaurants' other than cheap fast food restaurants does Westquay already have? NONE. So I don't see why an extension to the biggest shopping centre ever built in Southampton would be any different. I rest my case. There are parks running through the city, well done for pointing that out but if you read my post properly you would see I said 'more' open space as I am already aware of our lovely listed parks. Green open space would bring more benefits to our city than more overdevelopment would.sotonboy84 wrote: The city doesn't need even more shops and cheap fast food restaurants… That area of town is becoming so over developed and a real concrete/metal/glass jungle. I've always thought that that area of land would make a wonderful park giving the city even more green open space, the beautiful city walls and 40 steps as a back drop to the park and vice versa and you could see some of the big cruise liners in port.Who has said there is going to be "cheap fast food restaurants?" No one. Park space? - you have a swath of parks running through the centre of southampton .
And the fact that these 'restaurants' close the same time that the shops do hardly makes them available for evening meals.
You obviously believe everything you read in the news so I pity you, you small minded individual.
loosehead
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3:14pm Fri 7 Dec 12
kingnotail wrote:Well I've lived in Thailand & I think we need to highlight our past to attract people to this city.
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!
southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere?
Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this.
"corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period.
A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation.
Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.
been to gunwharf quays big deal?
Portsmouth use the historical dockyard to attract people there so what exactly do you mean ?
sotonboy84
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3:14pm Fri 7 Dec 12
kingnotail wrote:But the same fast food outlets and chain shops you see in every other city will???
sotonboy84 wrote:Another park where people can stare pointlessly at cruise ships will not save Southampton from mediocrity!elvisimo wrote:How many 'restaurants' other than cheap fast food restaurants does Westquay already have? NONE. So I don't see why an extension to the biggest shopping centre ever built in Southampton would be any different. I rest my case. There are parks running through the city, well done for pointing that out but if you read my post properly you would see I said 'more' open space as I am already aware of our lovely listed parks. Green open space would bring more benefits to our city than more overdevelopment would.sotonboy84 wrote: The city doesn't need even more shops and cheap fast food restaurants… That area of town is becoming so over developed and a real concrete/metal/glass jungle. I've always thought that that area of land would make a wonderful park giving the city even more green open space, the beautiful city walls and 40 steps as a back drop to the park and vice versa and you could see some of the big cruise liners in port.Who has said there is going to be "cheap fast food restaurants?" No one. Park space? - you have a swath of parks running through the centre of southampton .
sotonboy84
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3:16pm Fri 7 Dec 12
kingnotail wrote:Lucky for you that you live in a Utopia of a city that you don't have to stare at it then!
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere? The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this. "corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period. A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation. Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
SaintM
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3:22pm Fri 7 Dec 12
This will not be of any benifit to the majority of people over 45, another cinema, another load of shops tat sell tat and noisy food outlets. Give me a rebate for not spending my money here but in Basingstoke that caters for all including an ice rink
elvisimo
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3:49pm Fri 7 Dec 12
SaintM wrote:So cinemas and restaurants don't suit the over 45's. that's very funny. I think they will be providing crown green bowling, a mobility scooter racetrack and a big green woods menswear to buy Velcro shoes.
This will not be of any benifit to the majority of people over 45, another cinema, another load of shops tat sell tat and noisy food outlets. Give me a rebate for not spending my money here but in Basingstoke that caters for all including an ice rink
sotonboy84
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4:02pm Fri 7 Dec 12
elvisimo wrote:You couldn't be more stereotypical if you tried...
SaintM wrote: This will not be of any benifit to the majority of people over 45, another cinema, another load of shops tat sell tat and noisy food outlets. Give me a rebate for not spending my money here but in Basingstoke that caters for all including an ice rinkSo cinemas and restaurants don't suit the over 45's. that's very funny. I think they will be providing crown green bowling, a mobility scooter racetrack and a big green woods menswear to buy Velcro shoes.
Ignore the pillock, just another one that insults everybody that doesn't agree with everything they say.
bigfella777
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4:28pm Fri 7 Dec 12
I cant see many single mothers in leggings with their pushchairs in the photos.Or homeless beggars in combats with their staffies.
A quick population study wouldnt go amiss, then they can just fill it with more burger joints and 99p shops.
A quick population study wouldnt go amiss, then they can just fill it with more burger joints and 99p shops.
Proud from LIVERPOOL
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4:55pm Fri 7 Dec 12
£70m plans to transform wasteland next to WestQuay get thumbs-up.
It would appear that this newspaper who captioned this story with the above headline, is well and truly out of touch with the feelings of the vast majority of it's readers.
It would appear that this newspaper who captioned this story with the above headline, is well and truly out of touch with the feelings of the vast majority of it's readers.
elvisimo
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4:59pm Fri 7 Dec 12
sotonboy84 wrote:I think that was the point
elvisimo wrote:You couldn't be more stereotypical if you tried...
SaintM wrote: This will not be of any benifit to the majority of people over 45, another cinema, another load of shops tat sell tat and noisy food outlets. Give me a rebate for not spending my money here but in Basingstoke that caters for all including an ice rinkSo cinemas and restaurants don't suit the over 45's. that's very funny. I think they will be providing crown green bowling, a mobility scooter racetrack and a big green woods menswear to buy Velcro shoes.
Ignore the pillock, just another one that insults everybody that doesn't agree with everything they say.
southy
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6:07pm Fri 7 Dec 12
kingnotail wrote:your funny kingnotail you only got to go back to the early 70's and before and you find the Southampton people was the most traveled people in the world and the area that produce most of these traveling men was the Redbridge area and before them it was Back-of-the walls, Southampton was known in every port and harbour in the world.
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!
southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere?
Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this.
"corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period.
A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation.
Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.
lisaholbury
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6:54pm Fri 7 Dec 12
right so £70 million could be spent on this when we are losing 11+ childrens services in the area dont you think the money should be put towards these services instead of more shops and resturants and other things that our city already have????????????????
? THIS CITY/COUNTRY IS BECOMING A JOKE
? THIS CITY/COUNTRY IS BECOMING A JOKE
elvisimo
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7:08pm Fri 7 Dec 12
lisaholbury wrote:It is Hammerson spending the money, not the council
right so £70 million could be spent on this when we are losing 11+ childrens services in the area dont you think the money should be put towards these services instead of more shops and resturants and other things that our city already have????????????????
? THIS CITY/COUNTRY IS BECOMING A JOKE
andysaints007
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11:53pm Fri 7 Dec 12
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:NO - It is out of touch with the usual, pathetic whiners on here - they don't speak for us all!
£70m plans to transform wasteland next to WestQuay get thumbs-up.
It would appear that this newspaper who captioned this story with the above headline, is well and truly out of touch with the feelings of the vast majority of it's readers.
andysaints007
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11:55pm Fri 7 Dec 12
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:NO - It is out of touch with the usual, pathetic whiners on here - they don't speak for us all!
£70m plans to transform wasteland next to WestQuay get thumbs-up.
It would appear that this newspaper who captioned this story with the above headline, is well and truly out of touch with the feelings of the vast majority of it's readers.
andysaints007
says...
12:00am Sat 8 Dec 12
lisaholbury wrote:Stupid girl - don't comment on things you obviously know nothing about!
right so £70 million could be spent on this when we are losing 11+ childrens services in the area dont you think the money should be put towards these services instead of more shops and resturants and other things that our city already have????????????????
? THIS CITY/COUNTRY IS BECOMING A JOKE
loosehead
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7:26am Sat 8 Dec 12
lisaholbury wrote:lisa Holbury? does this mean you come from the waterside?
right so £70 million could be spent on this when we are losing 11+ childrens services in the area dont you think the money should be put towards these services instead of more shops and resturants and other things that our city already have????????????????
? THIS CITY/COUNTRY IS BECOMING A JOKE
The same waterside that didn't want a new container port & the jobs that would go with it?
the same waterside that has posters coming on here saying that Southampton should leave the Waterside alone?
This money is being spent by a private development company not the city council.
lisa you might be upset about the necessary cuts but you should get your facts right before you go on the attack!
southy
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11:05am Sat 8 Dec 12
andysaints007 wrote:So lets see what the majority really wants.
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:NO - It is out of touch with the usual, pathetic whiners on here - they don't speak for us all!
£70m plans to transform wasteland next to WestQuay get thumbs-up.
It would appear that this newspaper who captioned this story with the above headline, is well and truly out of touch with the feelings of the vast majority of it's readers.
If the truth was to be known the majority have giving up on what the papers thinks as they do not see the view of the majority, people have all ready given up on local and national governments as they are going to do what they want to do and not what the people want them to do.
So yes they are out of touch with the majority of people in this city. it seems that the few get what they want, and the majorit do not.
Turtlebay
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12:03pm Sat 8 Dec 12
It won't work because this will prevent traffic getting into Soton, http://www.dailyecho
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kingnotail
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1:18pm Sat 8 Dec 12
sotonboy84 wrote:Have you ever left Southampton? Your username alone says otherwise. If you had you would know that your city is currently wallowing in an abyss or terminal crapness, and develpments like this can only be for the better.
elvisimo wrote:Yes I do consider them fast food, they're chains that rely on people to come in, order a quick cheap meal then clear off quickly so the next lot can sit in your warm seats.
sotonboy84 wrote:er they are building it as a leisure scheme - to accomodate restaurants - that seems to be the biggest clue. Do you class the likes of wagamammas (in west quay) and Nandos (in west quay) cafe rouge (in west quay) as fast food? if so you are quite posh. Unsubmit your case..elvisimo wrote:How many 'restaurants' other than cheap fast food restaurants does Westquay already have? NONE. So I don't see why an extension to the biggest shopping centre ever built in Southampton would be any different. I rest my case. There are parks running through the city, well done for pointing that out but if you read my post properly you would see I said 'more' open space as I am already aware of our lovely listed parks. Green open space would bring more benefits to our city than more overdevelopment would.sotonboy84 wrote: The city doesn't need even more shops and cheap fast food restaurants… That area of town is becoming so over developed and a real concrete/metal/glass jungle. I've always thought that that area of land would make a wonderful park giving the city even more green open space, the beautiful city walls and 40 steps as a back drop to the park and vice versa and you could see some of the big cruise liners in port.Who has said there is going to be "cheap fast food restaurants?" No one. Park space? - you have a swath of parks running through the centre of southampton .
And the fact that these 'restaurants' close the same time that the shops do hardly makes them available for evening meals.
You obviously believe everything you read in the news so I pity you, you small minded individual.
kingnotail
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1:24pm Sat 8 Dec 12
sotonboy84 wrote:Unfortunately I made the mistake of moving to Southampton for work, and it's one of the most boring, ugly, backward places I've ever been to in the UK. Won't be hanging round longer than I have to. As permanent residents, you should really think about the image of your city to outsiders, because it is really not good!
kingnotail wrote:Lucky for you that you live in a Utopia of a city that you don't have to stare at it then!
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere? The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this. "corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period. A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation. Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
kingnotail
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1:26pm Sat 8 Dec 12
lisaholbury wrote:Southampton has f**k all shops and restaurants, and all the pubs and nightclubs are like something out of the 1980s.
right so £70 million could be spent on this when we are losing 11+ childrens services in the area dont you think the money should be put towards these services instead of more shops and resturants and other things that our city already have????????????????
? THIS CITY/COUNTRY IS BECOMING A JOKE
loosehead
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3:08pm Sat 8 Dec 12
kingnotail wrote:Well why not get the F++K out & let some one else have your job who likes this city?
sotonboy84 wrote:Unfortunately I made the mistake of moving to Southampton for work, and it's one of the most boring, ugly, backward places I've ever been to in the UK. Won't be hanging round longer than I have to. As permanent residents, you should really think about the image of your city to outsiders, because it is really not good!
kingnotail wrote:Lucky for you that you live in a Utopia of a city that you don't have to stare at it then!
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere? The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this. "corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period. A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation. Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
No point coming on here & slagging down our city as you can always go can't you?
So where's this fantastic place you come from?Portsmouth?
andysaints007
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6:00pm Sat 8 Dec 12
southy wrote:You really are a complete pr*ck buddy! Your family must have a really sh*t life putting up with you every day !
andysaints007 wrote:So lets see what the majority really wants.
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:NO - It is out of touch with the usual, pathetic whiners on here - they don't speak for us all!
£70m plans to transform wasteland next to WestQuay get thumbs-up.
It would appear that this newspaper who captioned this story with the above headline, is well and truly out of touch with the feelings of the vast majority of it's readers.
If the truth was to be known the majority have giving up on what the papers thinks as they do not see the view of the majority, people have all ready given up on local and national governments as they are going to do what they want to do and not what the people want them to do.
So yes they are out of touch with the majority of people in this city. it seems that the few get what they want, and the majorit do not.
razbags
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7:33pm Sat 8 Dec 12
Most of you are struggling to see the bigger picture. That is this: The internet is killing city centre's which are geared purely towards retail. In order protect city centre's they have to/will have to become "destinations". That is, a place where shopping is not the only thing to do. Otherwise we will have a city centre that resembled Sheffield shortly after Meadowhall oped: full of charity shops!!
kingnotail
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5:32pm Sun 9 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:Nope, but I've been to Portsmouth and there's much more to see and do there than in Southampton! You could probably say the same about every other city in the UK though.
kingnotail wrote:Well why not get the F++K out & let some one else have your job who likes this city?
sotonboy84 wrote:Unfortunately I made the mistake of moving to Southampton for work, and it's one of the most boring, ugly, backward places I've ever been to in the UK. Won't be hanging round longer than I have to. As permanent residents, you should really think about the image of your city to outsiders, because it is really not good!
kingnotail wrote:Lucky for you that you live in a Utopia of a city that you don't have to stare at it then!
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere? The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this. "corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period. A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation. Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
No point coming on here & slagging down our city as you can always go can't you?
So where's this fantastic place you come from?Portsmouth?
kingnotail
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5:37pm Sun 9 Dec 12
razbags wrote:It already does! And WestQuay is hardly Meadowhall is it?
Most of you are struggling to see the bigger picture. That is this: The internet is killing city centre's which are geared purely towards retail. In order protect city centre's they have to/will have to become "destinations". That is, a place where shopping is not the only thing to do. Otherwise we will have a city centre that resembled Sheffield shortly after Meadowhall oped: full of charity shops!!
loosehead
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8:43pm Sun 9 Dec 12
kingnotail wrote:Really? I've been to Gun wharf quays?
loosehead wrote:Nope, but I've been to Portsmouth and there's much more to see and do there than in Southampton! You could probably say the same about every other city in the UK though.
kingnotail wrote:Well why not get the F++K out & let some one else have your job who likes this city?
sotonboy84 wrote:Unfortunately I made the mistake of moving to Southampton for work, and it's one of the most boring, ugly, backward places I've ever been to in the UK. Won't be hanging round longer than I have to. As permanent residents, you should really think about the image of your city to outsiders, because it is really not good!
kingnotail wrote:Lucky for you that you live in a Utopia of a city that you don't have to stare at it then!
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere? The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this. "corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period. A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation. Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
No point coming on here & slagging down our city as you can always go can't you?
So where's this fantastic place you come from?Portsmouth?
wouldn't say it was anything spectacular.
I've been to London & I've shopped in Bangkok, Flensberg & a few other cities & we're not that bad.
So once again if you so dislike our city GO!
kingnotail
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11:37am Mon 10 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:I didn't say it was spectacular, I just said it was better than anything Southampton has to offer. Half the shops at Gunwharf Quays (as well as most of the restaurants) cannot be found in Southampton. Most of these are names that you would take it for granted you would find in a uk city - not in Southampton though!
kingnotail wrote:Really? I've been to Gun wharf quays?
loosehead wrote:Nope, but I've been to Portsmouth and there's much more to see and do there than in Southampton! You could probably say the same about every other city in the UK though.
kingnotail wrote:Well why not get the F++K out & let some one else have your job who likes this city?
sotonboy84 wrote:Unfortunately I made the mistake of moving to Southampton for work, and it's one of the most boring, ugly, backward places I've ever been to in the UK. Won't be hanging round longer than I have to. As permanent residents, you should really think about the image of your city to outsiders, because it is really not good!
kingnotail wrote:Lucky for you that you live in a Utopia of a city that you don't have to stare at it then!
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere? The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this. "corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period. A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation. Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
No point coming on here & slagging down our city as you can always go can't you?
So where's this fantastic place you come from?Portsmouth?
wouldn't say it was anything spectacular.
I've been to London & I've shopped in Bangkok, Flensberg & a few other cities & we're not that bad.
So once again if you so dislike our city GO!
Also Portsmouth has some decent tourist attractions - please name some of Southampton's (staring at cruise ships of being near the New Forest don't count!)
kingnotail
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11:38am Mon 10 Dec 12
kingnotail wrote:*or
loosehead wrote:I didn't say it was spectacular, I just said it was better than anything Southampton has to offer. Half the shops at Gunwharf Quays (as well as most of the restaurants) cannot be found in Southampton. Most of these are names that you would take it for granted you would find in a uk city - not in Southampton though!
kingnotail wrote:Really? I've been to Gun wharf quays?
loosehead wrote:Nope, but I've been to Portsmouth and there's much more to see and do there than in Southampton! You could probably say the same about every other city in the UK though.
kingnotail wrote:Well why not get the F++K out & let some one else have your job who likes this city?
sotonboy84 wrote:Unfortunately I made the mistake of moving to Southampton for work, and it's one of the most boring, ugly, backward places I've ever been to in the UK. Won't be hanging round longer than I have to. As permanent residents, you should really think about the image of your city to outsiders, because it is really not good!
kingnotail wrote:Lucky for you that you live in a Utopia of a city that you don't have to stare at it then!
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere? The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this. "corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period. A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation. Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
No point coming on here & slagging down our city as you can always go can't you?
So where's this fantastic place you come from?Portsmouth?
wouldn't say it was anything spectacular.
I've been to London & I've shopped in Bangkok, Flensberg & a few other cities & we're not that bad.
So once again if you so dislike our city GO!
Also Portsmouth has some decent tourist attractions - please name some of Southampton's (staring at cruise ships of being near the New Forest don't count!)
loosehead
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11:51am Mon 10 Dec 12
kingnotail wrote:What about the castle walls?
kingnotail wrote:*or
loosehead wrote:I didn't say it was spectacular, I just said it was better than anything Southampton has to offer. Half the shops at Gunwharf Quays (as well as most of the restaurants) cannot be found in Southampton. Most of these are names that you would take it for granted you would find in a uk city - not in Southampton though!
kingnotail wrote:Really? I've been to Gun wharf quays?
loosehead wrote:Nope, but I've been to Portsmouth and there's much more to see and do there than in Southampton! You could probably say the same about every other city in the UK though.
kingnotail wrote:Well why not get the F++K out & let some one else have your job who likes this city?
sotonboy84 wrote:Unfortunately I made the mistake of moving to Southampton for work, and it's one of the most boring, ugly, backward places I've ever been to in the UK. Won't be hanging round longer than I have to. As permanent residents, you should really think about the image of your city to outsiders, because it is really not good!
kingnotail wrote:Lucky for you that you live in a Utopia of a city that you don't have to stare at it then!
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere? The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this. "corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period. A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation. Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
No point coming on here & slagging down our city as you can always go can't you?
So where's this fantastic place you come from?Portsmouth?
wouldn't say it was anything spectacular.
I've been to London & I've shopped in Bangkok, Flensberg & a few other cities & we're not that bad.
So once again if you so dislike our city GO!
Also Portsmouth has some decent tourist attractions - please name some of Southampton's (staring at cruise ships of being near the New Forest don't count!)
What about King Canutes Palace? what about the Red Lion where Henry the 5th held court? What about the start of point for the pilgrim fathers?(why do you think it's called Mayflower Park?)
What about the Titanic memorial?
What about Holy Rood Church the merchant Navy memorial?
What about the home of the writer of Abide With Me?
What about Benny Hills Home?
& there are many more if you look for them Sorry we didn't have the Merchant Navy buy the Queens for us As Portsmouth had the Royal Navy keep the Victory & other ships to attract the tourists to that city
kingnotail
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1:33pm Mon 10 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:Castle walls - how much is actually walkable? Hardly York or Chester is it?
kingnotail wrote:What about the castle walls?
kingnotail wrote:*or
loosehead wrote:I didn't say it was spectacular, I just said it was better than anything Southampton has to offer. Half the shops at Gunwharf Quays (as well as most of the restaurants) cannot be found in Southampton. Most of these are names that you would take it for granted you would find in a uk city - not in Southampton though!
kingnotail wrote:Really? I've been to Gun wharf quays?
loosehead wrote:Nope, but I've been to Portsmouth and there's much more to see and do there than in Southampton! You could probably say the same about every other city in the UK though.
kingnotail wrote:Well why not get the F++K out & let some one else have your job who likes this city?
sotonboy84 wrote:Unfortunately I made the mistake of moving to Southampton for work, and it's one of the most boring, ugly, backward places I've ever been to in the UK. Won't be hanging round longer than I have to. As permanent residents, you should really think about the image of your city to outsiders, because it is really not good!
kingnotail wrote:Lucky for you that you live in a Utopia of a city that you don't have to stare at it then!
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere? The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this. "corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period. A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation. Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
No point coming on here & slagging down our city as you can always go can't you?
So where's this fantastic place you come from?Portsmouth?
wouldn't say it was anything spectacular.
I've been to London & I've shopped in Bangkok, Flensberg & a few other cities & we're not that bad.
So once again if you so dislike our city GO!
Also Portsmouth has some decent tourist attractions - please name some of Southampton's (staring at cruise ships of being near the New Forest don't count!)
What about King Canutes Palace? what about the Red Lion where Henry the 5th held court? What about the start of point for the pilgrim fathers?(why do you think it's called Mayflower Park?)
What about the Titanic memorial?
What about Holy Rood Church the merchant Navy memorial?
What about the home of the writer of Abide With Me?
What about Benny Hills Home?
& there are many more if you look for them Sorry we didn't have the Merchant Navy buy the Queens for us As Portsmouth had the Royal Navy keep the Victory & other ships to attract the tourists to that city
Red Lion - pretty mediocre pub, makes little note of it's history.
Mayflower Park - it's a park, nothing else there.
Titanic memorial - will take up all of 2 minutes out of your day.
Holy Rood church - ditto.
Benny Hill? You might as well have said Craig David's house...
The fact that you think any of these might actually attract significant numbers of tourists only reinforces what I say about Southampton!
loosehead
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2:42pm Mon 10 Dec 12
kingnotail wrote:Sorry yes your right there's nothing here so there's nothing to keep you here so GO we don't want people like you here any way
loosehead wrote:Castle walls - how much is actually walkable? Hardly York or Chester is it?
kingnotail wrote:What about the castle walls?
kingnotail wrote:*or
loosehead wrote:I didn't say it was spectacular, I just said it was better than anything Southampton has to offer. Half the shops at Gunwharf Quays (as well as most of the restaurants) cannot be found in Southampton. Most of these are names that you would take it for granted you would find in a uk city - not in Southampton though!
kingnotail wrote:Really? I've been to Gun wharf quays?
loosehead wrote:Nope, but I've been to Portsmouth and there's much more to see and do there than in Southampton! You could probably say the same about every other city in the UK though.
kingnotail wrote:Well why not get the F++K out & let some one else have your job who likes this city?
sotonboy84 wrote:Unfortunately I made the mistake of moving to Southampton for work, and it's one of the most boring, ugly, backward places I've ever been to in the UK. Won't be hanging round longer than I have to. As permanent residents, you should really think about the image of your city to outsiders, because it is really not good!
kingnotail wrote:Lucky for you that you live in a Utopia of a city that you don't have to stare at it then!
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere? The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this. "corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period. A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation. Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
No point coming on here & slagging down our city as you can always go can't you?
So where's this fantastic place you come from?Portsmouth?
wouldn't say it was anything spectacular.
I've been to London & I've shopped in Bangkok, Flensberg & a few other cities & we're not that bad.
So once again if you so dislike our city GO!
Also Portsmouth has some decent tourist attractions - please name some of Southampton's (staring at cruise ships of being near the New Forest don't count!)
What about King Canutes Palace? what about the Red Lion where Henry the 5th held court? What about the start of point for the pilgrim fathers?(why do you think it's called Mayflower Park?)
What about the Titanic memorial?
What about Holy Rood Church the merchant Navy memorial?
What about the home of the writer of Abide With Me?
What about Benny Hills Home?
& there are many more if you look for them Sorry we didn't have the Merchant Navy buy the Queens for us As Portsmouth had the Royal Navy keep the Victory & other ships to attract the tourists to that city
Red Lion - pretty mediocre pub, makes little note of it's history.
Mayflower Park - it's a park, nothing else there.
Titanic memorial - will take up all of 2 minutes out of your day.
Holy Rood church - ditto.
Benny Hill? You might as well have said Craig David's house...
The fact that you think any of these might actually attract significant numbers of tourists only reinforces what I say about Southampton!
kingnotail
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4:09pm Mon 10 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:Stuck here I'm afraid. Maybe some of the proposed developments will improve the current state of Southampton. Besides, the locals are at least always good to laugh at.
kingnotail wrote:Sorry yes your right there's nothing here so there's nothing to keep you here so GO we don't want people like you here any way
loosehead wrote:Castle walls - how much is actually walkable? Hardly York or Chester is it?
kingnotail wrote:What about the castle walls?
kingnotail wrote:*or
loosehead wrote:I didn't say it was spectacular, I just said it was better than anything Southampton has to offer. Half the shops at Gunwharf Quays (as well as most of the restaurants) cannot be found in Southampton. Most of these are names that you would take it for granted you would find in a uk city - not in Southampton though!
kingnotail wrote:Really? I've been to Gun wharf quays?
loosehead wrote:Nope, but I've been to Portsmouth and there's much more to see and do there than in Southampton! You could probably say the same about every other city in the UK though.
kingnotail wrote:Well why not get the F++K out & let some one else have your job who likes this city?
sotonboy84 wrote:Unfortunately I made the mistake of moving to Southampton for work, and it's one of the most boring, ugly, backward places I've ever been to in the UK. Won't be hanging round longer than I have to. As permanent residents, you should really think about the image of your city to outsiders, because it is really not good!
kingnotail wrote:Lucky for you that you live in a Utopia of a city that you don't have to stare at it then!
elvisimo wrote:Most people from Southampton are so backward and insular they simply have no idea how stuck-in-the-past their city is, as they've never visited anywhere else, and are therefore immune to how much of an eyesore it is!southy wrote:You seriously think that the occupiers they have lined up fot this will have any impact on Shirley? They are bringing quality restaurant operators into the city centre. Operators who only trade from city centre locations. Are you suggesting that you tell the likes of Brasserie Blanc, Carluccios etc should go to Shirley? Or furthermore that a £70m development should not take place because of any inpact elsewhere? The majority of Southampton City Centre is an eyesore you would have thought most people would welcome this. "corporations get discout on their rent and business tax" - did you make this up? Any retailer of restauranteur taking a lease whether here or in Shirley, Portswood or Timbuktu will negotiate a deal which will allow an element of rent free - this is provided by the landlord and offsetstheir fit out period. A 3000 sq.ft. restaurant from shell will cost £650 - £1m . They still pay their rates from occupation. Please do not just fabricate things to suit your view point.Taskforce 141 wrote: One valuable point that everyone seems to be overlooking... How the frack is the traffic going to get to this new location, that area of the city is already a nightmare and now this (whilst it is good to see investment). The city will become clogged around one area, why does everything have to be in the city centre with one road leading to it - lets upgrade some other land as well.I all ready pointed out that every thing is being shoved in the center of town, and other areas are being run down, while these corporations get discounts on there rent and business tax, places like Shirley and the smaller shopping areas around the estates do not they have to pay the full amount.
No point coming on here & slagging down our city as you can always go can't you?
So where's this fantastic place you come from?Portsmouth?
wouldn't say it was anything spectacular.
I've been to London & I've shopped in Bangkok, Flensberg & a few other cities & we're not that bad.
So once again if you so dislike our city GO!
Also Portsmouth has some decent tourist attractions - please name some of Southampton's (staring at cruise ships of being near the New Forest don't count!)
What about King Canutes Palace? what about the Red Lion where Henry the 5th held court? What about the start of point for the pilgrim fathers?(why do you think it's called Mayflower Park?)
What about the Titanic memorial?
What about Holy Rood Church the merchant Navy memorial?
What about the home of the writer of Abide With Me?
What about Benny Hills Home?
& there are many more if you look for them Sorry we didn't have the Merchant Navy buy the Queens for us As Portsmouth had the Royal Navy keep the Victory & other ships to attract the tourists to that city
Red Lion - pretty mediocre pub, makes little note of it's history.
Mayflower Park - it's a park, nothing else there.
Titanic memorial - will take up all of 2 minutes out of your day.
Holy Rood church - ditto.
Benny Hill? You might as well have said Craig David's house...
The fact that you think any of these might actually attract significant numbers of tourists only reinforces what I say about Southampton!
southy says...
11:01am Fri 7 Dec 12