Ford drivers claim they will get £27,000 less than colleagues (From Daily Echo)

So they've been offered alternative employment but don't want it but now are moaning about others getting more than them?
Surely to be offered to remain employed is a bigger pay out than no work?
How many more years can they work ? 5-10 years?
what wage? £27,000 approx?
times that by 5= £135,000 a lot more than £85,000 redundancy pay isn't it?
tax on anything over £30,000 at 40% or work & earn a good wage?
who's been offered the better deal?

Shoudl count themselves lucky they're getting anything. Time to wake up and realise the mess the whole country is in.

Believe me, having sub-contracted to FMC at Barton Park in the past, their drivers, apart from a small minority, are the laziest, money grabbing bunch of people I have ever met, I see they haven't told you they were earning 60 to 100k per year before they went on to a single shift, around £40/50 for a night out, plus many, many other perks. I hope they all end up in the real world driving LGV's for approx £ 8/9 per hour, no parking in lay-bys for 3-4 hours then booking a night out, believe me I could go on and on, so please do not have any sympathy for them. The real workers in the plant and the Penske/Hampton lads deserve every penny they can get, and I'm sure most of those that work in the delivery bays will agree with me.

starlitdragstar
What is this bit about.
"no parking in lay-bys for 3-4 hours then booking a night out"
I sure there are laws and rules that the HGV drivers need to keep to.
They keep changing them so i not kept up with the laws changes, but i know that HGV drivers can only drive for so many hours and must take a break for so long, and then there is having a break away from the lorry, and to have so many hours of sleep ect ect ect

loosehead wrote:
So they've been offered alternative employment but don't want it but now are moaning about others getting more than them?
Surely to be offered to remain employed is a bigger pay out than no work?
How many more years can they work ? 5-10 years?
what wage? £27,000 approx?
times that by 5= £135,000 a lot more than £85,000 redundancy pay isn't it?
tax on anything over £30,000 at 40% or work & earn a good wage?
who's been offered the better deal?

Loose look at this part
“A lot of us have been here 35 or 40 years. Everybody else in the plant is set to get thousands more than we will, even though they may only have five or six years of service."
That sounds like these drivers are on a renewable contract very 2 years, and would be the reason why there redundancy is so low, the Penske workers contract is once every year.

"“There are probably 31 drivers and five clerks based at Barton Park and none of us will get these payments. "

This what happens when you let the bosses walk all over you, You should have fight for what is right, you should be taking a long good look at your union leaders, and hook out those that are in the bosses pockets, you only get what you want if your willing to fight for it.

If negotiations are on going then i think this article may be bit premature, as for starlitdragstar's little tirade i think there may be a hint of jealousy there somewhere, it doesn't matter what the drivers did or didn't do the fact remains they are still FMC employees so are entitled to the same consideration as other FMC employees, if there are redeployment opportunities thats great but it should be the drivers choice. As for starlitdragstar's take on the contract staff how many times has it got to be said that if you are not an FMC employee all you can do is hold your hand out and be grateful for what you get because you are NOT entitled to anymore.

They should all refuse to work and stand up for themselves, sometimes pride is more important than money.
Now they are saying the plant is going to be mothballed, not sold or knocked down, why?

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So they've been offered alternative employment but don't want it but now are moaning about others getting more than them?
Surely to be offered to remain employed is a bigger pay out than no work?
How many more years can they work ? 5-10 years?
what wage? £27,000 approx?
times that by 5= £135,000 a lot more than £85,000 redundancy pay isn't it?
tax on anything over £30,000 at 40% or work & earn a good wage?
who's been offered the better deal?

Loose look at this part
“A lot of us have been here 35 or 40 years. Everybody else in the plant is set to get thousands more than we will, even though they may only have five or six years of service."
That sounds like these drivers are on a renewable contract very 2 years, and would be the reason why there redundancy is so low, the Penske workers contract is once every year.

Southy unless they're looking towards early retirement then any driver/clerk who started there at 21 would now be 56 or 61 both ages still have a few years to go to state pension age.
at 56 they have 10 years to go & if they're on the wages starlit has quoted then surely 10 years on 100,000 is far better than £68-85,000 redundancy pay isn't it?
at 61 that's still 5 years on that wage is it because the redeployment means they'll only earn their basic wage?
two sites but the same company? I know of cases similar to this where a company owns to factories & pays out redundancy & pensions differently.
It's not uncommon & as they've been offered alternative employment but have turned it down are they refusing a job offer? how would that stand in Social security payments?
We were told refuse to take a job in team work & your quitting so we don't need to pay redundancy so either volunteer to go ( the social doesn't like that word) or take up the job offered to you it's your choice so does that count here?

Why not ask if there is anyone within the plant who has a HGV, and swap with them Fords have done this in the past! problem now is most of the plant want to go now none of them want the plant to stay open thats way Fords make big payout, I have been told that they have already done some drilling in south compound to see whats under there so they can build so they will sell everything and build houses just see if I am not right
STOP BUYING FORD'S thats all they understand

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
So they've been offered alternative employment but don't want it but now are moaning about others getting more than them?
Surely to be offered to remain employed is a bigger pay out than no work?
How many more years can they work ? 5-10 years?
what wage? £27,000 approx?
times that by 5= £135,000 a lot more than £85,000 redundancy pay isn't it?
tax on anything over £30,000 at 40% or work & earn a good wage?
who's been offered the better deal?

Loose look at this part
“A lot of us have been here 35 or 40 years. Everybody else in the plant is set to get thousands more than we will, even though they may only have five or six years of service."
That sounds like these drivers are on a renewable contract very 2 years, and would be the reason why there redundancy is so low, the Penske workers contract is once every year.

Southy unless they're looking towards early retirement then any driver/clerk who started there at 21 would now be 56 or 61 both ages still have a few years to go to state pension age.
at 56 they have 10 years to go & if they're on the wages starlit has quoted then surely 10 years on 100,000 is far better than £68-85,000 redundancy pay isn't it?
at 61 that's still 5 years on that wage is it because the redeployment means they'll only earn their basic wage?
two sites but the same company? I know of cases similar to this where a company owns to factories & pays out redundancy & pensions differently.
It's not uncommon & as they've been offered alternative employment but have turned it down are they refusing a job offer? how would that stand in Social security payments?
We were told refuse to take a job in team work & your quitting so we don't need to pay redundancy so either volunteer to go ( the social doesn't like that word) or take up the job offered to you it's your choice so does that count here?

No what i was on about is the renewable contract (most are not worth the paper they are writen on).
these renewable contract are not jobs for life they are a time limited contract and ends and is renewed for its employees, so redundancy is only for the contract period and not the number of years that you work at the place for, its a way for the bosses to put a max amount of redundancy pay out, whitch is a lot lower than than it would of been if the job was for life.

unfortunately the lorry drivers do not work for Southampton Ford plant, they are part of Dagenham therefore do not qualify for the payments

voiceof thepeople wrote:
unfortunately the lorry drivers do not work for Southampton Ford plant, they are part of Dagenham therefore do not qualify for the payments

Isn't one of the plants in Dagenham being shut as well?

why do Ford workers think they are the centre of the industrial world?
When their work is plenty, we never hear from them / and they never rise in solidarity with other workers' organisations.
BUT
When they are under threat - we all have to listen to their bleating>>

loosehead wrote:

voiceof thepeople wrote:
unfortunately the lorry drivers do not work for Southampton Ford plant, they are part of Dagenham therefore do not qualify for the payments

Isn't one of the plants in Dagenham being shut as well?

Yes, the press shop, but not the engine plant or the transport services

Thought Thatcher killed off all the big redundency pay outs.In the late nineties I got laid off by a Local Authority after 20 years service and got diddly squat as we had to transfer to the private sector under TUPE. We did get a choice."Take it or leave it" Nice.

voiceof thepeople wrote:

loosehead wrote:

voiceof thepeople wrote:
unfortunately the lorry drivers do not work for Southampton Ford plant, they are part of Dagenham therefore do not qualify for the payments

Isn't one of the plants in Dagenham being shut as well?

Yes, the press shop, but not the engine plant or the transport services

The Engine plant will be closed in a few years time, when that to will be moved to Turkey.

beiroot wrote:
Thought Thatcher killed off all the big redundency pay outs.In the late nineties I got laid off by a Local Authority after 20 years service and got diddly squat as we had to transfer to the private sector under TUPE. We did get a choice."Take it or leave it" Nice.

blaming Thatcher?
Surely if you joint that Authority you should have been aware of the pay & conditions package?
In that package is the amount they pay you in severance pay & as far as I know that does not change if a private company takes over your contract unless your Union didn't argue for that?
BAT transfered a lot of permanent cleaners to an agency & one of the conditions was they would have two years to decide to work for that company or take redundancy.
If after two years they would go on the private companies scheme .
Maggie never destroyed redundancy payments at all.
I got £68,000 for nearly 25years, didn't your Union fight for the right of you taking redundancy if you wanted it?

southy wrote:

voiceof thepeople wrote:

loosehead wrote:

voiceof thepeople wrote:
unfortunately the lorry drivers do not work for Southampton Ford plant, they are part of Dagenham therefore do not qualify for the payments

Isn't one of the plants in Dagenham being shut as well?

Yes, the press shop, but not the engine plant or the transport services

The Engine plant will be closed in a few years time, when that to will be moved to Turkey.

You total burke! what do you think that grant was for?
researching a cleaner greener engine in that very place.