Southampton street sellers given just one week to quit prime site

One of the mobile phone accessory pedlars outside WestQuay.

One of the mobile phone accessory pedlars outside WestQuay.

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

THEY are the familiar faces who sell anything from hotdogs to mobile phone covers to shoppers in Southampton city centre.

But from tomorrow they must be gone from outside WestQuay shopping centre – or face a fine of up to £1,000.

City council bosses have handed the street sellers notices that will force them to leave their pitches in Above Bar, where many have worked for years.

They were given just one week’s notice to leave after the council claimed it received complaints from shops worried about their effect on their business and members of the public.

The pedlars, who each pay £12.25 a year for their licences, have reacted furiously.

However, council chiefs say the increasing number of street sellers has become a problem in recent months to the extent that they could block emergency vehicles from getting into the road.

The problem has reached a crisis point with the opening of the annual German market, which stretches along the precinct.

Thomas Hull, 18, from, Ruby Road, Bitterne, Southampton, who sells mobile phone accessories, said: “I’m going to have to move to another city because of this.

“It’s tough to sell in other places and it’s shocking that they only gave us a week’s notice to move.”

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Pedlar certificates are issued by the police and can be used to trade anywhere in the UK. Applicants must be aged over 17 and there is no restriction on the number of licences issued.

According to the city council, they allow a person to trade while on foot including selling door to door.

Pedlars are expected to move around approximately every 20 minutes, distinguishing them from street traders who have a fixed stall.

Cllr Asa Thorpe, Cabinet member for environment and transport, said: “While we had only a small number of pedlars in the precinct we did not take any action, but in recent months there has been increasing numbers and this has become a problem.”

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3:09pm Wed 12 Dec 12

southy says...

complaints from WestQuay shopping centre managerment, they have complained before, they do not like any one selling having demos rallys out side there doors
complaints from WestQuay shopping centre managerment, they have complained before, they do not like any one selling having demos rallys out side there doors southy
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3:13pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Big Mac says...

About time too. Nothing but tat, suspect quality and dodgy 'food' everywhere.
Add in the chavs, trophy dogs and low-life, it's no wonder most people avoid the precinct like the plague.
Surprised the shops paying high street rates haven't kicked up sooner.
About time too. Nothing but tat, suspect quality and dodgy 'food' everywhere. Add in the chavs, trophy dogs and low-life, it's no wonder most people avoid the precinct like the plague. Surprised the shops paying high street rates haven't kicked up sooner. Big Mac
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3:20pm Wed 12 Dec 12

bigfella777 says...

That explains why the hot dog man has been playing his radio extra loud and singing at the top of his voice for the last 2 weeks.
What is happening around the Bargate, outside Burger King there are another 3 burger vans, it's a joke , how many do we need.
Give me hot peas anyday.
That explains why the hot dog man has been playing his radio extra loud and singing at the top of his voice for the last 2 weeks. What is happening around the Bargate, outside Burger King there are another 3 burger vans, it's a joke , how many do we need. Give me hot peas anyday. bigfella777
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3:45pm Wed 12 Dec 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

No great loss. They should be moved, it gets very busy outside those doors and it is tat! Paying £12.50 for a licence is a bargain but they can't expect to block up a prime area for that....... I doubt Westquay is at all bothered by any 'competition' from these sellers, it's another market!
No great loss. They should be moved, it gets very busy outside those doors and it is tat! Paying £12.50 for a licence is a bargain but they can't expect to block up a prime area for that....... I doubt Westquay is at all bothered by any 'competition' from these sellers, it's another market! freemantlegirl2
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4:18pm Wed 12 Dec 12

SteveVis says...

First of all, it's a disgrace that they only gave them one week to let them know their livelihood was about to end.

It's downright disgusting that they are telling them that it is going to end just a few days before Christmas.

If they were really worried about the space taken up, they wouldn't allow the Christmas market to come every year and block up 50% of the precinct to sell tat and dodgy food during the busiest shopping time of the year.

If it was getting out of hand, then they should have made licenses renewable and refused to issue any additional ones. Only allowing the issue of a license to someone new when one had been relinquished.

I'm going to miss the hot dog seller. Whenever I've had to queue, he has given me a 30% discount on my hotdog, and all in all a nice, if slightly eccentric, guy. He was part of the character of Southampton, that the council obviously wants to destroy.

I hope they take the council to court, and I hope they win.
First of all, it's a disgrace that they only gave them one week to let them know their livelihood was about to end. It's downright disgusting that they are telling them that it is going to end just a few days before Christmas. If they were really worried about the space taken up, they wouldn't allow the Christmas market to come every year and block up 50% of the precinct to sell tat and dodgy food during the busiest shopping time of the year. If it was getting out of hand, then they should have made licenses renewable and refused to issue any additional ones. Only allowing the issue of a license to someone new when one had been relinquished. I'm going to miss the hot dog seller. Whenever I've had to queue, he has given me a 30% discount on my hotdog, and all in all a nice, if slightly eccentric, guy. He was part of the character of Southampton, that the council obviously wants to destroy. I hope they take the council to court, and I hope they win. SteveVis
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4:31pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Big Mac says...

SteveVis wrote:
First of all, it's a disgrace that they only gave them one week to let them know their livelihood was about to end.

It's downright disgusting that they are telling them that it is going to end just a few days before Christmas.

If they were really worried about the space taken up, they wouldn't allow the Christmas market to come every year and block up 50% of the precinct to sell tat and dodgy food during the busiest shopping time of the year.

If it was getting out of hand, then they should have made licenses renewable and refused to issue any additional ones. Only allowing the issue of a license to someone new when one had been relinquished.

I'm going to miss the hot dog seller. Whenever I've had to queue, he has given me a 30% discount on my hotdog, and all in all a nice, if slightly eccentric, guy. He was part of the character of Southampton, that the council obviously wants to destroy.

I hope they take the council to court, and I hope they win.
Their livelihood isn't about to end, only their licence to operate in the specified area. Cashing in on the Chrismas crowds is their reason for swamping the precinct, with no regard to the shops that occupy all year around and pay accordingly.
Maybe the hot dog seller will give you his forwarding address.
[quote][p][bold]SteveVis[/bold] wrote: First of all, it's a disgrace that they only gave them one week to let them know their livelihood was about to end. It's downright disgusting that they are telling them that it is going to end just a few days before Christmas. If they were really worried about the space taken up, they wouldn't allow the Christmas market to come every year and block up 50% of the precinct to sell tat and dodgy food during the busiest shopping time of the year. If it was getting out of hand, then they should have made licenses renewable and refused to issue any additional ones. Only allowing the issue of a license to someone new when one had been relinquished. I'm going to miss the hot dog seller. Whenever I've had to queue, he has given me a 30% discount on my hotdog, and all in all a nice, if slightly eccentric, guy. He was part of the character of Southampton, that the council obviously wants to destroy. I hope they take the council to court, and I hope they win.[/p][/quote]Their livelihood isn't about to end, only their licence to operate in the specified area. Cashing in on the Chrismas crowds is their reason for swamping the precinct, with no regard to the shops that occupy all year around and pay accordingly. Maybe the hot dog seller will give you his forwarding address. Big Mac
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4:36pm Wed 12 Dec 12

andyfidler1966 says...

I looked into this recently for anothrr reason. I assumed that they were classed as 'street traders' and noted at the time that apart from newspaper and flower sellers street traders are banned from the precinct.
Now I know about pedlars licences...well maybe my business idea can get off the ground....
I looked into this recently for anothrr reason. I assumed that they were classed as 'street traders' and noted at the time that apart from newspaper and flower sellers street traders are banned from the precinct. Now I know about pedlars licences...well maybe my business idea can get off the ground.... andyfidler1966
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4:36pm Wed 12 Dec 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

I do wish people would read things properly. One it isn't the council who issues them with a licence, it's the police....

"Pedlar certificates are issued by the police and can be used to trade anywhere in the UK. Applicants must be aged over 17 and there is no restriction on the number of licences issued.

and if they are supposed to 'move' every 20 minutes then they are clearly abusing the terms of those licences by not moving. The council have no control over how many licences are issued and it's got out of hand and blocking up a street. The traders (including street traders who DO have a council licence) and those shops who pay business rates have every right to complain if they are being a pain blocking up the pavements, blocking views into shops and increasing numbers. Whilst these sellers have not good the huge overheads that other businesses, even small businesses have.

"According to the city council, they allow a person to trade while on foot including selling door to door. Pedlars are expected to move around approximately every 20 minutes, distinguishing them from street traders who have a fixed stall."

The Council have every right to protect the streets from an overflow of these people. That hot dog seller may have a street traders licence and not pedlars, I'm imagining so as he's selling food? He would also have to have a Food Safety certificate.... it says nothing in the article about him being moved!
I do wish people would read things properly. One it isn't the council who issues them with a licence, it's the police.... "Pedlar certificates are issued by the police and can be used to trade anywhere in the UK. Applicants must be aged over 17 and there is no restriction on the number of licences issued. and if they are supposed to 'move' every 20 minutes then they are clearly abusing the terms of those licences by not moving. The council have no control over how many licences are issued and it's got out of hand and blocking up a street. The traders (including street traders who DO have a council licence) and those shops who pay business rates have every right to complain if they are being a pain blocking up the pavements, blocking views into shops and increasing numbers. Whilst these sellers have not good the huge overheads that other businesses, even small businesses have. "According to the city council, they allow a person to trade while on foot including selling door to door. Pedlars are expected to move around approximately every 20 minutes, distinguishing them from street traders who have a fixed stall." The Council have every right to protect the streets from an overflow of these people. That hot dog seller may have a street traders licence and not pedlars, I'm imagining so as he's selling food? He would also have to have a Food Safety certificate.... it says nothing in the article about him being moved! freemantlegirl2
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4:50pm Wed 12 Dec 12

SaintsBTGOG says...

About time !

These people make our town centre look like a dump. They pay no business rates or taxes. They actually fail to use their victorian pedlars licence as requested. These people should actually NEVER stop moving unless someone stops them to browse. Councils up and down the country are all doing the same to get rid of this menace. There is nothing stopping these people having a stall on the wednesday market. But of course it will cost more than £12 annually ! The Police have actually failed in their duty giving out these victorian licences for them to be abused. There are many shops in the High stree that sell phone covers and hats that pay their taxes and rates.

As for the oddball that sells dirty hotdogs. How was that ever allowed, when other food sellers require a food licence ?
About time ! These people make our town centre look like a dump. They pay no business rates or taxes. They actually fail to use their victorian pedlars licence as requested. These people should actually NEVER stop moving unless someone stops them to browse. Councils up and down the country are all doing the same to get rid of this menace. There is nothing stopping these people having a stall on the wednesday market. But of course it will cost more than £12 annually ! The Police have actually failed in their duty giving out these victorian licences for them to be abused. There are many shops in the High stree that sell phone covers and hats that pay their taxes and rates. As for the oddball that sells dirty hotdogs. How was that ever allowed, when other food sellers require a food licence ? SaintsBTGOG
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4:54pm Wed 12 Dec 12

IronLady2010 says...

This is one step in the right direction, Next step, ban smoking outside West Quay doors and that will make life easier for everybody whilst shopping.

Oh and the Charity clip board pests.
This is one step in the right direction, Next step, ban smoking outside West Quay doors and that will make life easier for everybody whilst shopping. Oh and the Charity clip board pests. IronLady2010
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5:18pm Wed 12 Dec 12

teamgreen says...

about time too.its danger to me has i cycle down past there everyday.before everybody gets on there high horse check with the police and council about why above bar has never got changed from road to walkway by act of parliment.as for the market yes they block the road but noone wants to move them as that would mean the council has got it wrong.the muppet with the hot dogs blaring out god squad music should not be allowed as if it was me and playing music that people dont like i would get a fine.god squad rubbish belongs in a church !
about time too.its danger to me has i cycle down past there everyday.before everybody gets on there high horse check with the police and council about why above bar has never got changed from road to walkway by act of parliment.as for the market yes they block the road but noone wants to move them as that would mean the council has got it wrong.the muppet with the hot dogs blaring out god squad music should not be allowed as if it was me and playing music that people dont like i would get a fine.god squad rubbish belongs in a church ! teamgreen
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5:20pm Wed 12 Dec 12

tootle says...

Hoo-ray. About time too. No way should anybody be allowed to play loud music in the high street. EVER. That includes the slush puppy seller with his stall as well!. Sick and tired of the hotdog man and his overloud radio and the buskers with their amplifiers - all year.

Think of it this way. My son is badly affected by loud music. The noise makes him physically ill. Why shouldn't he be allowed to go shopping in his own City centre?
Hoo-ray. About time too. No way should anybody be allowed to play loud music in the high street. EVER. That includes the slush puppy seller with his stall as well!. Sick and tired of the hotdog man and his overloud radio and the buskers with their amplifiers - all year. Think of it this way. My son is badly affected by loud music. The noise makes him physically ill. Why shouldn't he be allowed to go shopping in his own City centre? tootle
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5:27pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Avery T Decanary says...

I think they should have been given more notice.

As for the Christmas market - it has become less and less German and more and more local tat every year.
I think they should have been given more notice. As for the Christmas market - it has become less and less German and more and more local tat every year. Avery T Decanary
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5:27pm Wed 12 Dec 12

David Icke says...

Will someone please also remove that irritatingly loud Big Issue seller who normally festers along there, who's always making comments to the passing public about how we Southampton people always look so miserable before the town centre's Christmas tree gets a new fairy.
Will someone please also remove that irritatingly loud Big Issue seller who normally festers along there, who's always making comments to the passing public about how we Southampton people always look so miserable before the town centre's Christmas tree gets a new fairy. David Icke
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5:45pm Wed 12 Dec 12

bigfella777 says...

David Icke wrote:
Will someone please also remove that irritatingly loud Big Issue seller who normally festers along there, who's always making comments to the passing public about how we Southampton people always look so miserable before the town centre's Christmas tree gets a new fairy.
It's funny how he always slates Southampton but he's always here, why doesn't he clear off if it's so bad.
[quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: Will someone please also remove that irritatingly loud Big Issue seller who normally festers along there, who's always making comments to the passing public about how we Southampton people always look so miserable before the town centre's Christmas tree gets a new fairy.[/p][/quote]It's funny how he always slates Southampton but he's always here, why doesn't he clear off if it's so bad. bigfella777
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5:48pm Wed 12 Dec 12

beatrixkitto says...

Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)
Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!) beatrixkitto
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5:51pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
complaints from WestQuay shopping centre managerment, they have complained before, they do not like any one selling having demos rallys out side there doors
No, they are pikeys selling tat. It's nothing to do with questioning the status quo.

Good riddance.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: complaints from WestQuay shopping centre managerment, they have complained before, they do not like any one selling having demos rallys out side there doors[/p][/quote]No, they are pikeys selling tat. It's nothing to do with questioning the status quo. Good riddance. Shoong
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5:54pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Big Mac says...

If only it could revert to the good old days...

On the first day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
please remove those pants from the tree.

On the second day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
10 minute warning
and please remove those pants from the tree.

On the third day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
no French knickers
10 minute warning
and please remove those pants from the tree.

On the fourth day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
four legless birds
no French knickers
10 minute warning
and please remove those pants from the tree.

On the fifth day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
five alarms ring...
four legless birds
no French knickers
10 minute warning
and please remove those pants from the tree.

On the sixth day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
six grannies a swaying
five alarms ring...
four legless birds
no French knickers
10 minute warning
and please remove those pants from the tree.

On the seventh day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
seven tourists fighting
six grannies a swaying
five alarms ring...
four legless birds
no French knickers
10 minute warning
and please remove those pants from the tree.

On the eighth day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
eight bags are missing
seven tourists fighting
six grannies a swaying
five alarms ring...
four legless birds
no French knickers
10 minute warning
and please remove those pants from the tree.


On the ninth day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
nine dogs a peeing
eight bags are missing
seven tourists fighting
six grannies a swaying
five alarms ring...
four legless birds
no French knickers
10 minute warning
and please remove those pants from the tree.

On the tenth day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
10 homeless sleeping
nine dogs a peeing
eight bags are missing
seven tourists fighting
six grannies a swaying
five alarms ring...
four legless birds
no French knickers
10 minute warning
and please remove those pants from the tree.

On the eleventh day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
eleven on surveillance
ten homeless sleeping
nine dogs a peeing
eight bags are missing
seven tourists fighting
six grannies a swaying
five alarms ring...
four legless birds
no French knickers
10 minute warning
and please remove those pants from the tree.

On the twelfth day of Christmas,
the policeman said to me
twelve quid a license
eleven on surveillance
ten homeless sleeping
nine dogs a peeing
eight bags are missing
seven tourists fighting
six grannies a swaying
five alarms ring...
four legless birds
no French knickers
10 minute warning
and please remove those pants from the tree.
If only it could revert to the good old days... On the first day of Christmas, the policeman said to me please remove those pants from the tree. On the second day of Christmas, the policeman said to me 10 minute warning and please remove those pants from the tree. On the third day of Christmas, the policeman said to me no French knickers 10 minute warning and please remove those pants from the tree. On the fourth day of Christmas, the policeman said to me four legless birds no French knickers 10 minute warning and please remove those pants from the tree. On the fifth day of Christmas, the policeman said to me five alarms ring... four legless birds no French knickers 10 minute warning and please remove those pants from the tree. On the sixth day of Christmas, the policeman said to me six grannies a swaying five alarms ring... four legless birds no French knickers 10 minute warning and please remove those pants from the tree. On the seventh day of Christmas, the policeman said to me seven tourists fighting six grannies a swaying five alarms ring... four legless birds no French knickers 10 minute warning and please remove those pants from the tree. On the eighth day of Christmas, the policeman said to me eight bags are missing seven tourists fighting six grannies a swaying five alarms ring... four legless birds no French knickers 10 minute warning and please remove those pants from the tree. On the ninth day of Christmas, the policeman said to me nine dogs a peeing eight bags are missing seven tourists fighting six grannies a swaying five alarms ring... four legless birds no French knickers 10 minute warning and please remove those pants from the tree. On the tenth day of Christmas, the policeman said to me 10 homeless sleeping nine dogs a peeing eight bags are missing seven tourists fighting six grannies a swaying five alarms ring... four legless birds no French knickers 10 minute warning and please remove those pants from the tree. On the eleventh day of Christmas, the policeman said to me eleven on surveillance ten homeless sleeping nine dogs a peeing eight bags are missing seven tourists fighting six grannies a swaying five alarms ring... four legless birds no French knickers 10 minute warning and please remove those pants from the tree. On the twelfth day of Christmas, the policeman said to me twelve quid a license eleven on surveillance ten homeless sleeping nine dogs a peeing eight bags are missing seven tourists fighting six grannies a swaying five alarms ring... four legless birds no French knickers 10 minute warning and please remove those pants from the tree. Big Mac
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6:19pm Wed 12 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened?
I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom .
the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls.
If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers?
Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy?
If you can then you really are doing the right thing
Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened? I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom . the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls. If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers? Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy? If you can then you really are doing the right thing loosehead
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6:30pm Wed 12 Dec 12

tootle says...

I don't care whether they are there or not BUT if the hotdog seller isn't there his extra loud "music" won't be either!. Keep the traders, ban the music or just get shot of the lot.
I don't care whether they are there or not BUT if the hotdog seller isn't there his extra loud "music" won't be either!. Keep the traders, ban the music or just get shot of the lot. tootle
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6:32pm Wed 12 Dec 12

IronLady2010 says...

loosehead wrote:
Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened?
I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom .
the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls.
If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers?
Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy?
If you can then you really are doing the right thing
From my point they block the walking area. Outside West Quay doors you have a congregation of smokers, push chair brigade, Charity sellers etc.

It can be a nightmare trying to walk past without bumping into someone who is far too busy looking at Facebook on their mobile.

It just becomes one big stand still on busy days.
I find shopping stressful as it is, so to have these annoyances just makes me avoid the Centre of town.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened? I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom . the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls. If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers? Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy? If you can then you really are doing the right thing[/p][/quote]From my point they block the walking area. Outside West Quay doors you have a congregation of smokers, push chair brigade, Charity sellers etc. It can be a nightmare trying to walk past without bumping into someone who is far too busy looking at Facebook on their mobile. It just becomes one big stand still on busy days. I find shopping stressful as it is, so to have these annoyances just makes me avoid the Centre of town. IronLady2010
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6:33pm Wed 12 Dec 12

IronLady2010 says...

By the way, Merry Christmas all.
By the way, Merry Christmas all. IronLady2010
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6:34pm Wed 12 Dec 12

andysaints007 says...

Bye bye to the tat and dodgy food at last !!
Bye bye to the tat and dodgy food at last !! andysaints007
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6:42pm Wed 12 Dec 12

andysaints007 says...

beatrixkitto wrote:
Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)
Idiot
[quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)[/p][/quote]Idiot andysaints007
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6:57pm Wed 12 Dec 12

David Icke says...

andysaints007 wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)
Idiot
Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking?
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking? David Icke
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7:01pm Wed 12 Dec 12

andysaints007 says...

David Icke wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)
Idiot
Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking?
The comment about pedestrians as rather pathetic don't you think - or are you a pratt too !
[quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking?[/p][/quote]The comment about pedestrians as rather pathetic don't you think - or are you a pratt too ! andysaints007
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7:33pm Wed 12 Dec 12

MisterGrimsdale says...

I hear that Bradley Wiggins has a pedaller license....
I hear that Bradley Wiggins has a pedaller license.... MisterGrimsdale
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8:10pm Wed 12 Dec 12

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
By the way, Merry Christmas all.
Thank you! I'm not really bothered either way by these pedlars as I never buy off of them.
In Thailand they were cheap & good quality so I'd buy from them.
It's just if they have paid for a license to trade surely a pitch where they won't be blocking the customers walk way to West Quay would be a fair option?
Can't fault the council as it was a request from other traders but surely if it's okay all year round it should be okay now?
If not don't allow them. Any way I won't be going to Town now until after New Years Eve & Every one have a great Christmas & New Year!
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: By the way, Merry Christmas all.[/p][/quote]Thank you! I'm not really bothered either way by these pedlars as I never buy off of them. In Thailand they were cheap & good quality so I'd buy from them. It's just if they have paid for a license to trade surely a pitch where they won't be blocking the customers walk way to West Quay would be a fair option? Can't fault the council as it was a request from other traders but surely if it's okay all year round it should be okay now? If not don't allow them. Any way I won't be going to Town now until after New Years Eve & Every one have a great Christmas & New Year! loosehead
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8:15pm Wed 12 Dec 12

David Icke says...

andysaints007 wrote:
David Icke wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)
Idiot
Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking?
The comment about pedestrians as rather pathetic don't you think - or are you a pratt too !
The 'Comment' is on a 'Comments' page. Whether you agree with it or not doesn't make it any less so.

What is pathetic, if you think about it, are the people who just comment on other people's comments which makes their comment irrelevant considering this is a comments page and has nothing to do with the original story. So in that sense i am too commenting on your comment which could make my comment pathetic i suppose yes.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking?[/p][/quote]The comment about pedestrians as rather pathetic don't you think - or are you a pratt too ![/p][/quote]The 'Comment' is on a 'Comments' page. Whether you agree with it or not doesn't make it any less so. What is pathetic, if you think about it, are the people who just comment on other people's comments which makes their comment irrelevant considering this is a comments page and has nothing to do with the original story. So in that sense i am too commenting on your comment which could make my comment pathetic i suppose yes. David Icke
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8:24pm Wed 12 Dec 12

MGRA says...

SteveVis wrote:
First of all, it's a disgrace that they only gave them one week to let them know their livelihood was about to end.

It's downright disgusting that they are telling them that it is going to end just a few days before Christmas.

If they were really worried about the space taken up, they wouldn't allow the Christmas market to come every year and block up 50% of the precinct to sell tat and dodgy food during the busiest shopping time of the year.

If it was getting out of hand, then they should have made licenses renewable and refused to issue any additional ones. Only allowing the issue of a license to someone new when one had been relinquished.

I'm going to miss the hot dog seller. Whenever I've had to queue, he has given me a 30% discount on my hotdog, and all in all a nice, if slightly eccentric, guy. He was part of the character of Southampton, that the council obviously wants to destroy.

I hope they take the council to court, and I hope they win.
of course they won't win. they abused their licence. They did not move as per the licence.... they will be laughed out of court.
[quote][p][bold]SteveVis[/bold] wrote: First of all, it's a disgrace that they only gave them one week to let them know their livelihood was about to end. It's downright disgusting that they are telling them that it is going to end just a few days before Christmas. If they were really worried about the space taken up, they wouldn't allow the Christmas market to come every year and block up 50% of the precinct to sell tat and dodgy food during the busiest shopping time of the year. If it was getting out of hand, then they should have made licenses renewable and refused to issue any additional ones. Only allowing the issue of a license to someone new when one had been relinquished. I'm going to miss the hot dog seller. Whenever I've had to queue, he has given me a 30% discount on my hotdog, and all in all a nice, if slightly eccentric, guy. He was part of the character of Southampton, that the council obviously wants to destroy. I hope they take the council to court, and I hope they win.[/p][/quote]of course they won't win. they abused their licence. They did not move as per the licence.... they will be laughed out of court. MGRA
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8:48pm Wed 12 Dec 12

jazzi says...

David Icke wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
David Icke wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)
Idiot
Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking?
The comment about pedestrians as rather pathetic don't you think - or are you a pratt too !
The 'Comment' is on a 'Comments' page. Whether you agree with it or not doesn't make it any less so.

What is pathetic, if you think about it, are the people who just comment on other people's comments which makes their comment irrelevant considering this is a comments page and has nothing to do with the original story. So in that sense i am too commenting on your comment which could make my comment pathetic i suppose yes.
No comment :0 ;)
[quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking?[/p][/quote]The comment about pedestrians as rather pathetic don't you think - or are you a pratt too ![/p][/quote]The 'Comment' is on a 'Comments' page. Whether you agree with it or not doesn't make it any less so. What is pathetic, if you think about it, are the people who just comment on other people's comments which makes their comment irrelevant considering this is a comments page and has nothing to do with the original story. So in that sense i am too commenting on your comment which could make my comment pathetic i suppose yes.[/p][/quote]No comment :0 ;) jazzi
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9:07pm Wed 12 Dec 12

S Pance says...

Are u the real David Icke?
Are u the real David Icke? S Pance
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9:26pm Wed 12 Dec 12

jazzi says...

S Pance wrote:
Are u the real David Icke?
Why is there a plastic one that runs on batteries ??

Just kidding before the Monty Python brigade jump up singing SPAM SPAM !!

Although he would be able to have a well deserved rest after Wembley.
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: Are u the real David Icke?[/p][/quote]Why is there a plastic one that runs on batteries ?? Just kidding before the Monty Python brigade jump up singing SPAM SPAM !! Although he would be able to have a well deserved rest after Wembley. jazzi
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10:20pm Wed 12 Dec 12

David Icke says...

There is no real David Icke, it's all just a conspiracy.
There is no real David Icke, it's all just a conspiracy. David Icke
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10:22pm Wed 12 Dec 12

David Icke says...

bigfella777 wrote:
David Icke wrote: Will someone please also remove that irritatingly loud Big Issue seller who normally festers along there, who's always making comments to the passing public about how we Southampton people always look so miserable before the town centre's Christmas tree gets a new fairy.
It's funny how he always slates Southampton but he's always here, why doesn't he clear off if it's so bad.
We're probably the only place that tolerates him. Rumour is, he's actually from Pompey.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: Will someone please also remove that irritatingly loud Big Issue seller who normally festers along there, who's always making comments to the passing public about how we Southampton people always look so miserable before the town centre's Christmas tree gets a new fairy.[/p][/quote]It's funny how he always slates Southampton but he's always here, why doesn't he clear off if it's so bad.[/p][/quote]We're probably the only place that tolerates him. Rumour is, he's actually from Pompey. David Icke
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10:59pm Wed 12 Dec 12

mrblunt says...

This is a joke
The Council lacks the powers and the man power to remove pedlars.
To prove that they are not moving around to sell goods takes hours of observation on CCTV
Then a whole operation is needed involving Council staff and the Police to physically remove them, take possesion of their stall and goods and for the Police to report them for summons for illegal street trading.
The addresses on the pedlars certificate are normally 'mickey mouse'.
Someone has to then store the stall and goods for a court appearance for which most of the 'pedlars' do not turn up leaving the Council to make application to the Court to dispose of the seized goods.this is normally 10 to 12 months later.
Worse, the pedlars re-appear on the Pricinct the following day with a new stall and goods supplied by Mr Big who is behind all the pedlars and reaping the profits from their sales.
This is a joke The Council lacks the powers and the man power to remove pedlars. To prove that they are not moving around to sell goods takes hours of observation on CCTV Then a whole operation is needed involving Council staff and the Police to physically remove them, take possesion of their stall and goods and for the Police to report them for summons for illegal street trading. The addresses on the pedlars certificate are normally 'mickey mouse'. Someone has to then store the stall and goods for a court appearance for which most of the 'pedlars' do not turn up leaving the Council to make application to the Court to dispose of the seized goods.this is normally 10 to 12 months later. Worse, the pedlars re-appear on the Pricinct the following day with a new stall and goods supplied by Mr Big who is behind all the pedlars and reaping the profits from their sales. mrblunt
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11:35pm Wed 12 Dec 12

andysaints007 says...

David Icke wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
David Icke wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)
Idiot
Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking?
The comment about pedestrians as rather pathetic don't you think - or are you a pratt too !
The 'Comment' is on a 'Comments' page. Whether you agree with it or not doesn't make it any less so.

What is pathetic, if you think about it, are the people who just comment on other people's comments which makes their comment irrelevant considering this is a comments page and has nothing to do with the original story. So in that sense i am too commenting on your comment which could make my comment pathetic i suppose yes.
My god are you this boring in real life ?
[quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking?[/p][/quote]The comment about pedestrians as rather pathetic don't you think - or are you a pratt too ![/p][/quote]The 'Comment' is on a 'Comments' page. Whether you agree with it or not doesn't make it any less so. What is pathetic, if you think about it, are the people who just comment on other people's comments which makes their comment irrelevant considering this is a comments page and has nothing to do with the original story. So in that sense i am too commenting on your comment which could make my comment pathetic i suppose yes.[/p][/quote]My god are you this boring in real life ? andysaints007
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11:59pm Wed 12 Dec 12

st1halo says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
This is one step in the right direction, Next step, ban smoking outside West Quay doors and that will make life easier for everybody whilst shopping.

Oh and the Charity clip board pests.
Oh dear!
In this post it's peddlars, smokers and clip board carriers.
In your next post it's people with buggies, people with mobiles.
What next on your list?
People wearing red, people with umbrellas?
I think it will be much easier to arrange if we just ban you!!
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: This is one step in the right direction, Next step, ban smoking outside West Quay doors and that will make life easier for everybody whilst shopping. Oh and the Charity clip board pests.[/p][/quote]Oh dear! In this post it's peddlars, smokers and clip board carriers. In your next post it's people with buggies, people with mobiles. What next on your list? People wearing red, people with umbrellas? I think it will be much easier to arrange if we just ban you!! st1halo
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1:43am Thu 13 Dec 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
complaints from WestQuay shopping centre managerment, they have complained before, they do not like any one selling having demos rallys out side there doors
No, they are pikeys selling tat. It's nothing to do with questioning the status quo.

Good riddance.
Wrong West Quay have all ways been like that and if go there those stalls are located where the road use to be and not on the pavement use to be, they tried to get the Socialist Party stall removed a few times, who sets up in the center, but they can't because of the law allows them to set up a stall so long it as there news paper, the SP are licence to be able to sale papers out up a stall on any public ground in England and Wales
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: complaints from WestQuay shopping centre managerment, they have complained before, they do not like any one selling having demos rallys out side there doors[/p][/quote]No, they are pikeys selling tat. It's nothing to do with questioning the status quo. Good riddance.[/p][/quote]Wrong West Quay have all ways been like that and if go there those stalls are located where the road use to be and not on the pavement use to be, they tried to get the Socialist Party stall removed a few times, who sets up in the center, but they can't because of the law allows them to set up a stall so long it as there news paper, the SP are licence to be able to sale papers out up a stall on any public ground in England and Wales southy
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1:50am Thu 13 Dec 12

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened?
I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom .
the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls.
If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers?
Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy?
If you can then you really are doing the right thing
From my point they block the walking area. Outside West Quay doors you have a congregation of smokers, push chair brigade, Charity sellers etc.

It can be a nightmare trying to walk past without bumping into someone who is far too busy looking at Facebook on their mobile.

It just becomes one big stand still on busy days.
I find shopping stressful as it is, so to have these annoyances just makes me avoid the Centre of town.
They are placed where the road use to be and not on the pavement, for them to be on the old pavement area then they must ask permission from the shop and the council.
The street Traders licence is a very old law of the land go's a number of hundreds of years, to refuse a street traders licence you got to have a very good reason, the 20 mins rule can only apply if there is an obstuction to horse and cart, now days traffic.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened? I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom . the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls. If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers? Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy? If you can then you really are doing the right thing[/p][/quote]From my point they block the walking area. Outside West Quay doors you have a congregation of smokers, push chair brigade, Charity sellers etc. It can be a nightmare trying to walk past without bumping into someone who is far too busy looking at Facebook on their mobile. It just becomes one big stand still on busy days. I find shopping stressful as it is, so to have these annoyances just makes me avoid the Centre of town.[/p][/quote]They are placed where the road use to be and not on the pavement, for them to be on the old pavement area then they must ask permission from the shop and the council. The street Traders licence is a very old law of the land go's a number of hundreds of years, to refuse a street traders licence you got to have a very good reason, the 20 mins rule can only apply if there is an obstuction to horse and cart, now days traffic. southy
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7:54am Thu 13 Dec 12

stay local says...

southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened?
I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom .
the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls.
If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers?
Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy?
If you can then you really are doing the right thing
From my point they block the walking area. Outside West Quay doors you have a congregation of smokers, push chair brigade, Charity sellers etc.

It can be a nightmare trying to walk past without bumping into someone who is far too busy looking at Facebook on their mobile.

It just becomes one big stand still on busy days.
I find shopping stressful as it is, so to have these annoyances just makes me avoid the Centre of town.
They are placed where the road use to be and not on the pavement, for them to be on the old pavement area then they must ask permission from the shop and the council.
The street Traders licence is a very old law of the land go's a number of hundreds of years, to refuse a street traders licence you got to have a very good reason, the 20 mins rule can only apply if there is an obstuction to horse and cart, now days traffic.
As usual wrong the law may be old but with many law they are updated or amended. look for part III and schedule 4 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982.

Trading in Above Bar pedestrian precinct is further restricted to the sale of flowers, foliage and newspapers only by a Control of Sales Order made under section 7 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976
once again you lack of insight is stunning.
When you refer to the socialist party I take it you don't mean the TUSC, are you referring to the ne'er-do-wells who pick a seemingly nice subject to start a petition 'save Southampton heart unit' and then try and tie it to a socialist agenda with all their other crap. Whilst people may support the one cause it does not mean they support you crazy ideals.


N.B the above information can be sourced at both your local library and on the internet!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened? I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom . the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls. If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers? Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy? If you can then you really are doing the right thing[/p][/quote]From my point they block the walking area. Outside West Quay doors you have a congregation of smokers, push chair brigade, Charity sellers etc. It can be a nightmare trying to walk past without bumping into someone who is far too busy looking at Facebook on their mobile. It just becomes one big stand still on busy days. I find shopping stressful as it is, so to have these annoyances just makes me avoid the Centre of town.[/p][/quote]They are placed where the road use to be and not on the pavement, for them to be on the old pavement area then they must ask permission from the shop and the council. The street Traders licence is a very old law of the land go's a number of hundreds of years, to refuse a street traders licence you got to have a very good reason, the 20 mins rule can only apply if there is an obstuction to horse and cart, now days traffic.[/p][/quote]As usual wrong the law may be old but with many law they are updated or amended. look for part III and schedule 4 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982. Trading in Above Bar pedestrian precinct is further restricted to the sale of flowers, foliage and newspapers only by a Control of Sales Order made under section 7 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 once again you lack of insight is stunning. When you refer to the socialist party I take it you don't mean the TUSC, are you referring to the ne'er-do-wells who pick a seemingly nice subject to start a petition 'save Southampton heart unit' and then try and tie it to a socialist agenda with all their other crap. Whilst people may support the one cause it does not mean they support you crazy ideals. N.B the above information can be sourced at both your local library and on the internet!!!!! stay local
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8:08am Thu 13 Dec 12

fuzzyfelt says...

i couldnt be more delighted the stalls are a safety hazard blocking the paths not to mention a fire hazard with all those 100% pure polyester pashminas . and the hot dog man is a total pest with his music , i once asked him to turn his music down as we were sat out side pret trying to hgave a quiet coffee and his loud response brought all of the precinct to a standstill as he leapt up and down shouting about jesus ...some body called the cops and he was cautioned . also it is pretty well known that one or two of the mobile phone sellers are claim benefits and wages ...just sayin
i couldnt be more delighted the stalls are a safety hazard blocking the paths not to mention a fire hazard with all those 100% pure polyester pashminas . and the hot dog man is a total pest with his music , i once asked him to turn his music down as we were sat out side pret trying to hgave a quiet coffee and his loud response brought all of the precinct to a standstill as he leapt up and down shouting about jesus ...some body called the cops and he was cautioned . also it is pretty well known that one or two of the mobile phone sellers are claim benefits and wages ...just sayin fuzzyfelt
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9:31am Thu 13 Dec 12

forever a saint says...

Get rid of the seating areas outside shops too.That takes up space on the precinct & encourages flying vermin as tables are not cleaned quickly either !!!
Get rid of the seating areas outside shops too.That takes up space on the precinct & encourages flying vermin as tables are not cleaned quickly either !!! forever a saint
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9:38am Thu 13 Dec 12

David Icke says...

andysaints007 wrote:
David Icke wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
David Icke wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)
Idiot
Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking?
The comment about pedestrians as rather pathetic don't you think - or are you a pratt too !
The 'Comment' is on a 'Comments' page. Whether you agree with it or not doesn't make it any less so. What is pathetic, if you think about it, are the people who just comment on other people's comments which makes their comment irrelevant considering this is a comments page and has nothing to do with the original story. So in that sense i am too commenting on your comment which could make my comment pathetic i suppose yes.
My god are you this boring in real life ?
Do you call people soppy names as much in real life or is it easier on here?

My first reply was actually to the person you were talking to and not even to your response. Read it again slowly and it may make more sense to you.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: Moan, moan bl00dy moan. Have you lot nothing better to do?! Yes ban the street traders/peddlers and while you are at it ban pedestrians (they make West Quay so unsightly and nothing like the television advert at all!)[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]Coming onto a comments page and airing our views, what were we thinking?[/p][/quote]The comment about pedestrians as rather pathetic don't you think - or are you a pratt too ![/p][/quote]The 'Comment' is on a 'Comments' page. Whether you agree with it or not doesn't make it any less so. What is pathetic, if you think about it, are the people who just comment on other people's comments which makes their comment irrelevant considering this is a comments page and has nothing to do with the original story. So in that sense i am too commenting on your comment which could make my comment pathetic i suppose yes.[/p][/quote]My god are you this boring in real life ?[/p][/quote]Do you call people soppy names as much in real life or is it easier on here? My first reply was actually to the person you were talking to and not even to your response. Read it again slowly and it may make more sense to you. David Icke
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9:48am Thu 13 Dec 12

S!monOn says...

I can understand the Council's view as there appears to be increasing number of them appearing outside West Quay.

I bought a nice mobile phone cover off one of them when I couldn't wait for one from ebay - so they do come in handy now and then.

People claim they sell tat, but then they secretly buy the same stuff on the internet.
I can understand the Council's view as there appears to be increasing number of them appearing outside West Quay. I bought a nice mobile phone cover off one of them when I couldn't wait for one from ebay - so they do come in handy now and then. People claim they sell tat, but then they secretly buy the same stuff on the internet. S!monOn
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9:50am Thu 13 Dec 12

southy says...

stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened?
I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom .
the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls.
If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers?
Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy?
If you can then you really are doing the right thing
From my point they block the walking area. Outside West Quay doors you have a congregation of smokers, push chair brigade, Charity sellers etc.

It can be a nightmare trying to walk past without bumping into someone who is far too busy looking at Facebook on their mobile.

It just becomes one big stand still on busy days.
I find shopping stressful as it is, so to have these annoyances just makes me avoid the Centre of town.
They are placed where the road use to be and not on the pavement, for them to be on the old pavement area then they must ask permission from the shop and the council.
The street Traders licence is a very old law of the land go's a number of hundreds of years, to refuse a street traders licence you got to have a very good reason, the 20 mins rule can only apply if there is an obstuction to horse and cart, now days traffic.
As usual wrong the law may be old but with many law they are updated or amended. look for part III and schedule 4 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982.

Trading in Above Bar pedestrian precinct is further restricted to the sale of flowers, foliage and newspapers only by a Control of Sales Order made under section 7 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976
once again you lack of insight is stunning.
When you refer to the socialist party I take it you don't mean the TUSC, are you referring to the ne'er-do-wells who pick a seemingly nice subject to start a petition 'save Southampton heart unit' and then try and tie it to a socialist agenda with all their other crap. Whilst people may support the one cause it does not mean they support you crazy ideals.


N.B the above information can be sourced at both your local library and on the internet!!!!!
national law over rules local law, when local law over rules national law it can only last for so long and as to be renewed every so often, the Act 1976 and 1982 as not been renewed and is out of date so it reverted back to the old law, 20 mins for a street trader if he will cause an obstruction to taffic, and the require min distance is one lenght of the stall or barrow.
[quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened? I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom . the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls. If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers? Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy? If you can then you really are doing the right thing[/p][/quote]From my point they block the walking area. Outside West Quay doors you have a congregation of smokers, push chair brigade, Charity sellers etc. It can be a nightmare trying to walk past without bumping into someone who is far too busy looking at Facebook on their mobile. It just becomes one big stand still on busy days. I find shopping stressful as it is, so to have these annoyances just makes me avoid the Centre of town.[/p][/quote]They are placed where the road use to be and not on the pavement, for them to be on the old pavement area then they must ask permission from the shop and the council. The street Traders licence is a very old law of the land go's a number of hundreds of years, to refuse a street traders licence you got to have a very good reason, the 20 mins rule can only apply if there is an obstuction to horse and cart, now days traffic.[/p][/quote]As usual wrong the law may be old but with many law they are updated or amended. look for part III and schedule 4 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982. Trading in Above Bar pedestrian precinct is further restricted to the sale of flowers, foliage and newspapers only by a Control of Sales Order made under section 7 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 once again you lack of insight is stunning. When you refer to the socialist party I take it you don't mean the TUSC, are you referring to the ne'er-do-wells who pick a seemingly nice subject to start a petition 'save Southampton heart unit' and then try and tie it to a socialist agenda with all their other crap. Whilst people may support the one cause it does not mean they support you crazy ideals. N.B the above information can be sourced at both your local library and on the internet!!!!![/p][/quote]national law over rules local law, when local law over rules national law it can only last for so long and as to be renewed every so often, the Act 1976 and 1982 as not been renewed and is out of date so it reverted back to the old law, 20 mins for a street trader if he will cause an obstruction to taffic, and the require min distance is one lenght of the stall or barrow. southy
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9:59am Thu 13 Dec 12

southy says...

ps stay local
"When you refer to the socialist party I take it you don't mean the TUSC, are you referring to the ne'er-do-wells who pick a seemingly nice subject to start a petition 'save Southampton heart unit' and then try and tie it to a socialist agenda with all their other crap"

Wrong again you know very little about politics it seems, its what they stand for all ways have done, to fight any government that wants to do harm to the majority of the public, (thats because the Socialist Party is 99% made up from the ordinary people off the streets) the selling of nationalise and public services or making cuts and closing them down have all ways been a case that they will fight to keep them for the public, and in a some other cases people caome to the Socialist Party for there help.
ps stay local "When you refer to the socialist party I take it you don't mean the TUSC, are you referring to the ne'er-do-wells who pick a seemingly nice subject to start a petition 'save Southampton heart unit' and then try and tie it to a socialist agenda with all their other crap" Wrong again you know very little about politics it seems, its what they stand for all ways have done, to fight any government that wants to do harm to the majority of the public, (thats because the Socialist Party is 99% made up from the ordinary people off the streets) the selling of nationalise and public services or making cuts and closing them down have all ways been a case that they will fight to keep them for the public, and in a some other cases people caome to the Socialist Party for there help. southy
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10:05am Thu 13 Dec 12

southy says...

fuzzyfelt wrote:
i couldnt be more delighted the stalls are a safety hazard blocking the paths not to mention a fire hazard with all those 100% pure polyester pashminas . and the hot dog man is a total pest with his music , i once asked him to turn his music down as we were sat out side pret trying to hgave a quiet coffee and his loud response brought all of the precinct to a standstill as he leapt up and down shouting about jesus ...some body called the cops and he was cautioned . also it is pretty well known that one or two of the mobile phone sellers are claim benefits and wages ...just sayin
So you was out side the cafe sitting at a table that is on a public footpath, don't you think that you added to the problem of blocking the paths, oh and those stalls are on the paths, they are on the part that use to be a road.
[quote][p][bold]fuzzyfelt[/bold] wrote: i couldnt be more delighted the stalls are a safety hazard blocking the paths not to mention a fire hazard with all those 100% pure polyester pashminas . and the hot dog man is a total pest with his music , i once asked him to turn his music down as we were sat out side pret trying to hgave a quiet coffee and his loud response brought all of the precinct to a standstill as he leapt up and down shouting about jesus ...some body called the cops and he was cautioned . also it is pretty well known that one or two of the mobile phone sellers are claim benefits and wages ...just sayin[/p][/quote]So you was out side the cafe sitting at a table that is on a public footpath, don't you think that you added to the problem of blocking the paths, oh and those stalls are on the paths, they are on the part that use to be a road. southy
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10:11am Thu 13 Dec 12

S!monOn says...

southy wrote:
fuzzyfelt wrote:
i couldnt be more delighted the stalls are a safety hazard blocking the paths not to mention a fire hazard with all those 100% pure polyester pashminas . and the hot dog man is a total pest with his music , i once asked him to turn his music down as we were sat out side pret trying to hgave a quiet coffee and his loud response brought all of the precinct to a standstill as he leapt up and down shouting about jesus ...some body called the cops and he was cautioned . also it is pretty well known that one or two of the mobile phone sellers are claim benefits and wages ...just sayin
So you was out side the cafe sitting at a table that is on a public footpath, don't you think that you added to the problem of blocking the paths, oh and those stalls are on the paths, they are on the part that use to be a road.
It "used" to be a road, therefore no longer a road?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fuzzyfelt[/bold] wrote: i couldnt be more delighted the stalls are a safety hazard blocking the paths not to mention a fire hazard with all those 100% pure polyester pashminas . and the hot dog man is a total pest with his music , i once asked him to turn his music down as we were sat out side pret trying to hgave a quiet coffee and his loud response brought all of the precinct to a standstill as he leapt up and down shouting about jesus ...some body called the cops and he was cautioned . also it is pretty well known that one or two of the mobile phone sellers are claim benefits and wages ...just sayin[/p][/quote]So you was out side the cafe sitting at a table that is on a public footpath, don't you think that you added to the problem of blocking the paths, oh and those stalls are on the paths, they are on the part that use to be a road.[/p][/quote]It "used" to be a road, therefore no longer a road? S!monOn
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10:25am Thu 13 Dec 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
ps stay local
"When you refer to the socialist party I take it you don't mean the TUSC, are you referring to the ne'er-do-wells who pick a seemingly nice subject to start a petition 'save Southampton heart unit' and then try and tie it to a socialist agenda with all their other crap"

Wrong again you know very little about politics it seems, its what they stand for all ways have done, to fight any government that wants to do harm to the majority of the public, (thats because the Socialist Party is 99% made up from the ordinary people off the streets) the selling of nationalise and public services or making cuts and closing them down have all ways been a case that they will fight to keep them for the public, and in a some other cases people caome to the Socialist Party for there help.
Southy it used to be the Echo & what happened to the pubs behind it?
Exactly how long ago was this a road?
I know I was younger than 21 & I'm now 55-56 so come on Southy that can no longer be used as it hasn't been in use as a road for other 30 years.
Also I read a cyclist says they get in their way when riding through the precinct?
Is that responsible cycling? riding through a pedestrianised area? Isn't that illegal?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: ps stay local "When you refer to the socialist party I take it you don't mean the TUSC, are you referring to the ne'er-do-wells who pick a seemingly nice subject to start a petition 'save Southampton heart unit' and then try and tie it to a socialist agenda with all their other crap" Wrong again you know very little about politics it seems, its what they stand for all ways have done, to fight any government that wants to do harm to the majority of the public, (thats because the Socialist Party is 99% made up from the ordinary people off the streets) the selling of nationalise and public services or making cuts and closing them down have all ways been a case that they will fight to keep them for the public, and in a some other cases people caome to the Socialist Party for there help.[/p][/quote]Southy it used to be the Echo & what happened to the pubs behind it? Exactly how long ago was this a road? I know I was younger than 21 & I'm now 55-56 so come on Southy that can no longer be used as it hasn't been in use as a road for other 30 years. Also I read a cyclist says they get in their way when riding through the precinct? Is that responsible cycling? riding through a pedestrianised area? Isn't that illegal? loosehead
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10:43am Thu 13 Dec 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
complaints from WestQuay shopping centre managerment, they have complained before, they do not like any one selling having demos rallys out side there doors
No, they are pikeys selling tat. It's nothing to do with questioning the status quo.

Good riddance.
Wrong West Quay have all ways been like that and if go there those stalls are located where the road use to be and not on the pavement use to be, they tried to get the Socialist Party stall removed a few times, who sets up in the center, but they can't because of the law allows them to set up a stall so long it as there news paper, the SP are licence to be able to sale papers out up a stall on any public ground in England and Wales
Can anyone help me translate this into English please?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: complaints from WestQuay shopping centre managerment, they have complained before, they do not like any one selling having demos rallys out side there doors[/p][/quote]No, they are pikeys selling tat. It's nothing to do with questioning the status quo. Good riddance.[/p][/quote]Wrong West Quay have all ways been like that and if go there those stalls are located where the road use to be and not on the pavement use to be, they tried to get the Socialist Party stall removed a few times, who sets up in the center, but they can't because of the law allows them to set up a stall so long it as there news paper, the SP are licence to be able to sale papers out up a stall on any public ground in England and Wales[/p][/quote]Can anyone help me translate this into English please? Shoong
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11:18am Thu 13 Dec 12

stay local says...

southy wrote:
stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened?
I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom .
the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls.
If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers?
Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy?
If you can then you really are doing the right thing
From my point they block the walking area. Outside West Quay doors you have a congregation of smokers, push chair brigade, Charity sellers etc.

It can be a nightmare trying to walk past without bumping into someone who is far too busy looking at Facebook on their mobile.

It just becomes one big stand still on busy days.
I find shopping stressful as it is, so to have these annoyances just makes me avoid the Centre of town.
They are placed where the road use to be and not on the pavement, for them to be on the old pavement area then they must ask permission from the shop and the council.
The street Traders licence is a very old law of the land go's a number of hundreds of years, to refuse a street traders licence you got to have a very good reason, the 20 mins rule can only apply if there is an obstuction to horse and cart, now days traffic.
As usual wrong the law may be old but with many law they are updated or amended. look for part III and schedule 4 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982.

Trading in Above Bar pedestrian precinct is further restricted to the sale of flowers, foliage and newspapers only by a Control of Sales Order made under section 7 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976
once again you lack of insight is stunning.
When you refer to the socialist party I take it you don't mean the TUSC, are you referring to the ne'er-do-wells who pick a seemingly nice subject to start a petition 'save Southampton heart unit' and then try and tie it to a socialist agenda with all their other crap. Whilst people may support the one cause it does not mean they support you crazy ideals.


N.B the above information can be sourced at both your local library and on the internet!!!!!
national law over rules local law, when local law over rules national law it can only last for so long and as to be renewed every so often, the Act 1976 and 1982 as not been renewed and is out of date so it reverted back to the old law, 20 mins for a street trader if he will cause an obstruction to taffic, and the require min distance is one lenght of the stall or barrow.
You complete ignoramus. As predicted you fail once again.
phone these people and ask them
8083 3002 (option 4) email them enquiries@southampto
n.gov.uk
visit them General Enquiries Civic Centre, SO14 7LY.

They will tell you exactly what I have

this replaced the 1974 and came into effect in 1983 here is the statement as to how it supersedes the previous law
'So much of any local enactment passed before 1974 as relates to the regulation by means of licensing of public entertainments of any description referred to in Schedule 1 to this Act shall cease to have effect.'
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Seen them there all year ( a few) but why are the shops feeling threatened? I lived in Thailand & on every pavement you find stalls selling everything but instead of driving trade away from the shopping Malls they attract custom . the shoppers stop look at the stalls then go into the Malls so boosting trade for the Malls. If the Council were asked to do this I'll give credit where credit's deserved well done for acting so promptly but is it fair on these sellers? Could you not find them another pitch to make both groups happy? If you can then you really are doing the right thing[/p][/quote]From my point they block the walking area. Outside West Quay doors you have a congregation of smokers, push chair brigade, Charity sellers etc. It can be a nightmare trying to walk past without bumping into someone who is far too busy looking at Facebook on their mobile. It just becomes one big stand still on busy days. I find shopping stressful as it is, so to have these annoyances just makes me avoid the Centre of town.[/p][/quote]They are placed where the road use to be and not on the pavement, for them to be on the old pavement area then they must ask permission from the shop and the council. The street Traders licence is a very old law of the land go's a number of hundreds of years, to refuse a street traders licence you got to have a very good reason, the 20 mins rule can only apply if there is an obstuction to horse and cart, now days traffic.[/p][/quote]As usual wrong the law may be old but with many law they are updated or amended. look for part III and schedule 4 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982. Trading in Above Bar pedestrian precinct is further restricted to the sale of flowers, foliage and newspapers only by a Control of Sales Order made under section 7 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 once again you lack of insight is stunning. When you refer to the socialist party I take it you don't mean the TUSC, are you referring to the ne'er-do-wells who pick a seemingly nice subject to start a petition 'save Southampton heart unit' and then try and tie it to a socialist agenda with all their other crap. Whilst people may support the one cause it does not mean they support you crazy ideals. N.B the above information can be sourced at both your local library and on the internet!!!!![/p][/quote]national law over rules local law, when local law over rules national law it can only last for so long and as to be renewed every so often, the Act 1976 and 1982 as not been renewed and is out of date so it reverted back to the old law, 20 mins for a street trader if he will cause an obstruction to taffic, and the require min distance is one lenght of the stall or barrow.[/p][/quote]You complete ignoramus. As predicted you fail once again. phone these people and ask them 8083 3002 (option 4) email them enquiries@southampto n.gov.uk visit them General Enquiries Civic Centre, SO14 7LY. They will tell you exactly what I have this replaced the 1974 and came into effect in 1983 here is the statement as to how it supersedes the previous law 'So much of any local enactment passed before 1974 as relates to the regulation by means of licensing of public entertainments of any description referred to in Schedule 1 to this Act shall cease to have effect.' stay local
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11:36am Thu 13 Dec 12

mrblunt says...

Despite all the puffing and blowing about Laws, By-laws etc,
Southampton City Council does not have the ability to permantly remove these 'traders' and I doubt the Police will want/ have the manpower to be involved in any action.
What is needed is a repeal of the old Pedlar law and a modern workable law put in it's place. I doubt the Government has the will to do this
Despite all the puffing and blowing about Laws, By-laws etc, Southampton City Council does not have the ability to permantly remove these 'traders' and I doubt the Police will want/ have the manpower to be involved in any action. What is needed is a repeal of the old Pedlar law and a modern workable law put in it's place. I doubt the Government has the will to do this mrblunt
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2:11pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Cyber__Fug says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
complaints from WestQuay shopping centre managerment, they have complained before, they do not like any one selling having demos rallys out side there doors
No, they are pikeys selling tat. It's nothing to do with questioning the status quo.

Good riddance.
Wrong West Quay have all ways been like that and if go there those stalls are located where the road use to be and not on the pavement use to be, they tried to get the Socialist Party stall removed a few times, who sets up in the center, but they can't because of the law allows them to set up a stall so long it as there news paper, the SP are licence to be able to sale papers out up a stall on any public ground in England and Wales
Can anyone help me translate this into English please?
Here you go Shoong.... it'll probably make more sense.

sdlcj oeru gjWE'D OVN COBJ PKOJCJC JB FUIF fv oierjg pqjew ithg adsnk oierh owirtjhh wrtjg qpwek gthjit6ji6ng t i ADI NGRFGRL AGJ RTITY
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: complaints from WestQuay shopping centre managerment, they have complained before, they do not like any one selling having demos rallys out side there doors[/p][/quote]No, they are pikeys selling tat. It's nothing to do with questioning the status quo. Good riddance.[/p][/quote]Wrong West Quay have all ways been like that and if go there those stalls are located where the road use to be and not on the pavement use to be, they tried to get the Socialist Party stall removed a few times, who sets up in the center, but they can't because of the law allows them to set up a stall so long it as there news paper, the SP are licence to be able to sale papers out up a stall on any public ground in England and Wales[/p][/quote]Can anyone help me translate this into English please?[/p][/quote]Here you go Shoong.... it'll probably make more sense. sdlcj oeru gjWE'D OVN COBJ PKOJCJC JB FUIF fv oierjg pqjew ithg adsnk oierh owirtjhh wrtjg qpwek gthjit6ji6ng t i ADI NGRFGRL AGJ RTITY Cyber__Fug
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3:37pm Thu 13 Dec 12

allison.luella says...

About time!! they always get in the way!! and now with the German Market theres hardly room to move!! Especially when you are in a hurry and on your lunch hour!!
About time!! they always get in the way!! and now with the German Market theres hardly room to move!! Especially when you are in a hurry and on your lunch hour!! allison.luella
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6:19pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Genuine_Pedlar says...

Hooray for the establishment! but all you others need to know that the people who were trading in a fixed position were not Pedlars, they were either licensed Street Traders or unlicensed Street Traders. The Local Authority have redress through the courts against unlicensed Street Traders. Obtaining a Pedlars Certicate from the Police allows a Pedlar to trade on foot whilst moving, stopping only to make or conclude a sale. If persons holding a Pedlars Certificate were not operating as Pedlars and they were selling, then they were operating as unlicensed Street Traders.

It is the unlicensed Street Traders that are giving the genuine Pedlars (operating under the conditions of their certificates) a bad name.

So you don't like Charity collectors or Big Issue sellers well, charity collections are allowed to operate by permission of the Local Authority the charities just have to apply for a set date, Big Issue sellers do not need permission of any kind nor do stationery people who look like statues (or actors or buskers).

The Local Authority will determine whether streets are consent streets or prohibited streets for the purposes of street trading, then they will issue (issue means sell) licenses for fixed trading positions and those fixed trading positions will be outside the very shops they were outside before.

QUESTION So what will you have gained Answer NOTHING, you will still have Big Issues being sold and charity collections and fixed stalls that will be licensed by the Local Authority.

Pedlars will still be allowed in all streets, and genuine pedlars who trade on foot and who travel to meet their customers are operating under the Pedlars Act 1871 and 1881. See http://goo.gl/IQQFZ
Hooray for the establishment! but all you others need to know that the people who were trading in a fixed position were not Pedlars, they were either licensed Street Traders or unlicensed Street Traders. The Local Authority have redress through the courts against unlicensed Street Traders. Obtaining a Pedlars Certicate from the Police allows a Pedlar to trade on foot whilst moving, stopping only to make or conclude a sale. If persons holding a Pedlars Certificate were not operating as Pedlars and they were selling, then they were operating as unlicensed Street Traders. It is the unlicensed Street Traders that are giving the genuine Pedlars (operating under the conditions of their certificates) a bad name. So you don't like Charity collectors or Big Issue sellers well, charity collections are allowed to operate by permission of the Local Authority the charities just have to apply for a set date, Big Issue sellers do not need permission of any kind nor do stationery people who look like statues (or actors or buskers). The Local Authority will determine whether streets are consent streets or prohibited streets for the purposes of street trading, then they will issue (issue means sell) licenses for fixed trading positions and those fixed trading positions will be outside the very shops they were outside before. QUESTION So what will you have gained Answer NOTHING, you will still have Big Issues being sold and charity collections and fixed stalls that will be licensed by the Local Authority. Pedlars will still be allowed in all streets, and genuine pedlars who trade on foot and who travel to meet their customers are operating under the Pedlars Act 1871 and 1881. See http://goo.gl/IQQFZ Genuine_Pedlar
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6:31pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Genuine_Pedlar says...

APOLOGIES in the above post please read the word "stationary" in place of the word "stationery" APOLOGIES
APOLOGIES in the above post please read the word "stationary" in place of the word "stationery" APOLOGIES Genuine_Pedlar
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7:52am Wed 9 Jan 13

Genuine_Pedlar says...

TAT, yes Tat, well it depends on your circumstances, one man's tat is another man's treasure.

Take into account the proliferation of charity shops, pound shops and 99p stores. The city centres are dying because city centre managers want to give you a unique experience.

What is that unique experience? they have all joined together to make sure their town centre is exactly like everyone else's town centre, uniform, full of the same shops all selling the same thing. The same range of goods.

Life is so boring that most of you shop on the internet looking for something new and can't be bothered to go to the supermarket so order on line. What puts you off? is it the town centre uniformity, traveling, cost of petrol, car parking, traffic wardens, illegal wheel clamping? YES! so that much so, you cannot be bothered to select your own sprouts for Christmas lunch.

What about Tat and the CE mark, all goods sold new in the UK come complete with CE mark, so that the Tat is certified as being in conformance with the CE Tat regulations which could be called EuroTat, (I will have to check that.)

What about second hand Tat? Second hand Tat can be found in charity shops, these can be found where actual "unique shops" have gone out of business and the owner of the premises has allowed a Charity shop to set up, because charity shops do not pay business rates and nor does the owner of the premises occupied by a charity shop.

You can even find your next Tat on the internet, you will not need reminding about Ebay where you can all get rid of the Tat you were given as Christmas presents this year. Or you can recycle Tat.

Failing all these suggestions you can just be discerning in the level of Tat that you decide to buy.
TAT, yes Tat, well it depends on your circumstances, one man's tat is another man's treasure. Take into account the proliferation of charity shops, pound shops and 99p stores. The city centres are dying because city centre managers want to give you a unique experience. What is that unique experience? they have all joined together to make sure their town centre is exactly like everyone else's town centre, uniform, full of the same shops all selling the same thing. The same range of goods. Life is so boring that most of you shop on the internet looking for something new and can't be bothered to go to the supermarket so order on line. What puts you off? is it the town centre uniformity, traveling, cost of petrol, car parking, traffic wardens, illegal wheel clamping? YES! so that much so, you cannot be bothered to select your own sprouts for Christmas lunch. What about Tat and the CE mark, all goods sold new in the UK come complete with CE mark, so that the Tat is certified as being in conformance with the CE Tat regulations which could be called EuroTat, (I will have to check that.) What about second hand Tat? Second hand Tat can be found in charity shops, these can be found where actual "unique shops" have gone out of business and the owner of the premises has allowed a Charity shop to set up, because charity shops do not pay business rates and nor does the owner of the premises occupied by a charity shop. You can even find your next Tat on the internet, you will not need reminding about Ebay where you can all get rid of the Tat you were given as Christmas presents this year. Or you can recycle Tat. Failing all these suggestions you can just be discerning in the level of Tat that you decide to buy. Genuine_Pedlar
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8:09am Wed 9 Jan 13

Genuine_Pedlar says...

GERMAN MARKET. Have you ever been to a real German Market at Christmas? Well I have, it was in Frankfurt, there was no shortage of stalls and the market was very busy.

This made me think! If the German Markets are still in Germany were do the German markets that sprout up for 6 weeks at Christmas in the UK come from and why should they decide to come many other European and UK cities.

Where do German markets go after Christmas? It must really be profitable for them to get in their VW vans and bring their food and EuroTat to Southampton and Birmingham etc.

How can they just set up their stalls in the best places? Well it's like this YOUR Local Authority issue (I mean they sell) Temporary Licenses for fixed trading stalls and the Germans become 'Temporary Street Traders' in the best areas, and to do that in the nicest possible way YOUR Local Authority forced all your local traders off the street.

I don't think that it is anything to do with the war when the unified UK managed to prevent the German markets from appearing in every city, town and village.

We succeeded then why not now? Well, now all our UK laws are superceded by EU laws and EU laws seem to say, we don't care what the UK have done before but now you have to do it the EU way and make the UK fully open to all EU businesses.

I wonder how many German towns have an English market at Christmas. (Those who have devolved can stand up for themselves)

So all this adds to the UK National Deficit, all the money taken by the sellers at the German market is taken back to Germany, where they put it in the bank and then lend it back to us at extortionate rates.

So how many of you notice that lots of the Eurotat actually comes from China, How can that be? Can you actually have Chinese Eurotat? it's like the Eurovision song contest, I don't quite know when, maybe you can tell me, when did Russia and Israel join the EU? maybe I missed that announcement.

So back to the German Market who gets a share, your Local Authority but the majority goes to the market stall holders a who must really make a profit to make it all worthwhile, then they can all sit at home for 11 months and wait for next Christmas, it's a bit like "Auf Wiedersehen, Pet" in reverse.
GERMAN MARKET. Have you ever been to a real German Market at Christmas? Well I have, it was in Frankfurt, there was no shortage of stalls and the market was very busy. This made me think! If the German Markets are still in Germany were do the German markets that sprout up for 6 weeks at Christmas in the UK come from and why should they decide to come many other European and UK cities. Where do German markets go after Christmas? It must really be profitable for them to get in their VW vans and bring their food and EuroTat to Southampton and Birmingham etc. How can they just set up their stalls in the best places? Well it's like this YOUR Local Authority issue (I mean they sell) Temporary Licenses for fixed trading stalls and the Germans become 'Temporary Street Traders' in the best areas, and to do that in the nicest possible way YOUR Local Authority forced all your local traders off the street. I don't think that it is anything to do with the war when the unified UK managed to prevent the German markets from appearing in every city, town and village. We succeeded then why not now? Well, now all our UK laws are superceded by EU laws and EU laws seem to say, we don't care what the UK have done before but now you have to do it the EU way and make the UK fully open to all EU businesses. I wonder how many German towns have an English market at Christmas. (Those who have devolved can stand up for themselves) So all this adds to the UK National Deficit, all the money taken by the sellers at the German market is taken back to Germany, where they put it in the bank and then lend it back to us at extortionate rates. So how many of you notice that lots of the Eurotat actually comes from China, How can that be? Can you actually have Chinese Eurotat? it's like the Eurovision song contest, I don't quite know when, maybe you can tell me, when did Russia and Israel join the EU? maybe I missed that announcement. So back to the German Market who gets a share, your Local Authority but the majority goes to the market stall holders a who must really make a profit to make it all worthwhile, then they can all sit at home for 11 months and wait for next Christmas, it's a bit like "Auf Wiedersehen, Pet" in reverse. Genuine_Pedlar
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