Dawn Baxendale to replace Alistair Neill as chief executive of Southampton City Council

Daily Echo: Dawn Baxendale Dawn Baxendale

A NEW temporary chief executive at Southampton City Council has been appointed.

Council officials have promoted Dawn Baxendale as the interim chief executive, to take over from Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post to run Herefordshire County Council.

The appointment must now be cleared by councillors in January, but if the move is ratified she will officially start on March 1, working until a permanent replacement for Mr Neill is found, who is due to start late next summer.

Ms Baxendale is currently the Director of Environment and Economy and has worked in Southampton City Council since 2009.

Council leader Richard Williams, who chaired the employment panel that selected her, said: "I am delighted that Dawn has agreed to accept the post. Dawn has a wealth of local government experience at the most senior level and will provide inspirational leadership to the council in the months ahead.

"The next few years will be challenging for the council as we try to balance the huge budget problems we face with reshaping the council to deliver quality services and secure new opportunities for growth, development and sustainability.

"I am confident that Dawn will be excellent in supporting the council’s workforce and developing a cohesive and high performing strategic leadership team during the next six months”.

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1:15pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Cerdicjute says...

£165K a year? Well worth every penny no doubt and I'm sure she will be sharing some of the pain by taking a fat pay cut?
£165K a year? Well worth every penny no doubt and I'm sure she will be sharing some of the pain by taking a fat pay cut? Cerdicjute

1:17pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Over the Edge says...

That has just spoilt my Christmas thanks Echo
That has just spoilt my Christmas thanks Echo Over the Edge

1:34pm Fri 21 Dec 12

nedscrumpo says...

..and just after Eric Pickles told councils to get rid of Chief Exec posts. Salary is more than the PM. Worth it? I think not.
..and just after Eric Pickles told councils to get rid of Chief Exec posts. Salary is more than the PM. Worth it? I think not. nedscrumpo

1:36pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Independent Thought says...

A good appointment. Well done Dawn, I am pleased for you and Southampton City Council.
A good appointment. Well done Dawn, I am pleased for you and Southampton City Council. Independent Thought

1:43pm Fri 21 Dec 12

skin2000 says...

The Council could have saved a bit of money there, split the duties with other executives...Southam
pton £165K better off...Never mind... they can always cut back somewhere else.
The Council could have saved a bit of money there, split the duties with other executives...Southam pton £165K better off...Never mind... they can always cut back somewhere else. skin2000

2:09pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Ford Prefect says...

While I make no comment on the salary for this post, I am amused by the "more than the PM" comment which often ocurs in any discussion of public sector salaries. The PM receives £142,500 per year. But, of course, he also receives free accommodation in Downing St and the use of Chequers. As, for most people, the cost of their rent or mortgage is their largest expenditure these are significant, tax-free benefits. Plus he does not have to run a car and probably never will again because of the security concerns.

Add to that that the current PM has significant inherited wealth and an independently wealthy wife and the comparison looks a little less fair.

I don't argue that the office of PM shouldn't get these benefits or that the postholder should not be paid this amount even given how poorly the current PM is performing. I'm just making the point that just comparing the headline figures is not the whole story.
While I make no comment on the salary for this post, I am amused by the "more than the PM" comment which often ocurs in any discussion of public sector salaries. The PM receives £142,500 per year. But, of course, he also receives free accommodation in Downing St and the use of Chequers. As, for most people, the cost of their rent or mortgage is their largest expenditure these are significant, tax-free benefits. Plus he does not have to run a car and probably never will again because of the security concerns. Add to that that the current PM has significant inherited wealth and an independently wealthy wife and the comparison looks a little less fair. I don't argue that the office of PM shouldn't get these benefits or that the postholder should not be paid this amount even given how poorly the current PM is performing. I'm just making the point that just comparing the headline figures is not the whole story. Ford Prefect

2:11pm Fri 21 Dec 12

nedscrumpo says...

Ford Prefect wrote:
While I make no comment on the salary for this post, I am amused by the "more than the PM" comment which often ocurs in any discussion of public sector salaries. The PM receives £142,500 per year. But, of course, he also receives free accommodation in Downing St and the use of Chequers. As, for most people, the cost of their rent or mortgage is their largest expenditure these are significant, tax-free benefits. Plus he does not have to run a car and probably never will again because of the security concerns.

Add to that that the current PM has significant inherited wealth and an independently wealthy wife and the comparison looks a little less fair.

I don't argue that the office of PM shouldn't get these benefits or that the postholder should not be paid this amount even given how poorly the current PM is performing. I'm just making the point that just comparing the headline figures is not the whole story.
bit of a difference running a small unitary authority and the country.
[quote][p][bold]Ford Prefect[/bold] wrote: While I make no comment on the salary for this post, I am amused by the "more than the PM" comment which often ocurs in any discussion of public sector salaries. The PM receives £142,500 per year. But, of course, he also receives free accommodation in Downing St and the use of Chequers. As, for most people, the cost of their rent or mortgage is their largest expenditure these are significant, tax-free benefits. Plus he does not have to run a car and probably never will again because of the security concerns. Add to that that the current PM has significant inherited wealth and an independently wealthy wife and the comparison looks a little less fair. I don't argue that the office of PM shouldn't get these benefits or that the postholder should not be paid this amount even given how poorly the current PM is performing. I'm just making the point that just comparing the headline figures is not the whole story.[/p][/quote]bit of a difference running a small unitary authority and the country. nedscrumpo

2:21pm Fri 21 Dec 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

what figure is put on the council gold plate pensions ? that,s where the council tax goes.
what figure is put on the council gold plate pensions ? that,s where the council tax goes. arthur dalyrimple

2:39pm Fri 21 Dec 12

southy says...

Thatcher Said back in the 80's if you want the best then you must pay for the best, But did we get the best the answer is a clear no, all we got poor second best and at a high cost in wages, expenses and a high level of corruption to boot with it.
Often you will find the best working next to nothing and earn low wages because they enjoy the job that they do.
Thatcher Said back in the 80's if you want the best then you must pay for the best, But did we get the best the answer is a clear no, all we got poor second best and at a high cost in wages, expenses and a high level of corruption to boot with it. Often you will find the best working next to nothing and earn low wages because they enjoy the job that they do. southy

2:45pm Fri 21 Dec 12

HillsidePaul says...

"Eric Pickles told Councils to get rid of Chief Executives".

Do you seriously suggest that We take advice from this oaf who is hell bent on destroying Local Government.

And before you say yes do you really want everything controlled from Westminster?
"Eric Pickles told Councils to get rid of Chief Executives". Do you seriously suggest that We take advice from this oaf who is hell bent on destroying Local Government. And before you say yes do you really want everything controlled from Westminster? HillsidePaul

2:47pm Fri 21 Dec 12

southy says...

Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post
Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again.

I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.
Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again. I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston. southy

2:54pm Fri 21 Dec 12

southy says...

One for Councillor Williams.
When are you going to open up the Cuts Colsultation to the public as a whole insted of this last round of invites onlys
One for Councillor Williams. When are you going to open up the Cuts Colsultation to the public as a whole insted of this last round of invites onlys southy

3:24pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Vonnie says...

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
what figure is put on the council gold plate pensions ? that,s where the council tax goes.
What bullshine. I am sick to death of the erroneous criticisms constantly being made by the ignorant about local authority pensions.
LA Pensions are paid for in the same way as other work related retirement pensions - mainly by the contributions made by employers and employees throughout their working life, and by good management of the Pension Fund by the Trustees.
Civil Service pensions are not quite the same as Local Authority ones. They come out of a national pot, but work in a similar way.
Council employees (and Civil Service employees) pay much more per month in contributiions pro rata for their work pensions than the average factory worker does, and always have done, so they should be able to take more out when retired. ie. more is paid in so a better benefit can be paid out. Or is that logic too difficult to understand?
The fact that they were initially inflation proofed (now to a much lesser extent) is due to the extra contributions paid in, and good negotiations between the Pension Trustees and the workforce over the years. Something the Government has successfully managed to undermine with support from a non informed hysterical public and pressure from private employers.
Yes, the initial contributions that the Council pays into a Local Authority Pension Scheme obviously come from its public contributed coffers, but the Council is an employer, so has the same legal and moral duties as any other employer towards its workforce. Again, is that logic too difficult to understand?
Most of the rubbish that people like arthur dalyrimple spout is down to pure misplaced jealousy, not logic.
[quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: what figure is put on the council gold plate pensions ? that,s where the council tax goes.[/p][/quote]What bullshine. I am sick to death of the erroneous criticisms constantly being made by the ignorant about local authority pensions. LA Pensions are paid for in the same way as other work related retirement pensions - mainly by the contributions made by employers and employees throughout their working life, and by good management of the Pension Fund by the Trustees. Civil Service pensions are not quite the same as Local Authority ones. They come out of a national pot, but work in a similar way. Council employees (and Civil Service employees) pay much more per month in contributiions pro rata for their work pensions than the average factory worker does, and always have done, so they should be able to take more out when retired. ie. more is paid in so a better benefit can be paid out. Or is that logic too difficult to understand? The fact that they were initially inflation proofed (now to a much lesser extent) is due to the extra contributions paid in, and good negotiations between the Pension Trustees and the workforce over the years. Something the Government has successfully managed to undermine with support from a non informed hysterical public and pressure from private employers. Yes, the initial contributions that the Council pays into a Local Authority Pension Scheme obviously come from its public contributed coffers, but the Council is an employer, so has the same legal and moral duties as any other employer towards its workforce. Again, is that logic too difficult to understand? Most of the rubbish that people like arthur dalyrimple spout is down to pure misplaced jealousy, not logic. Vonnie

3:26pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Thatcher Said back in the 80's if you want the best then you must pay for the best, But did we get the best the answer is a clear no, all we got poor second best and at a high cost in wages, expenses and a high level of corruption to boot with it.
Often you will find the best working next to nothing and earn low wages because they enjoy the job that they do.
Can we assume that the invitation you were expecting has failed to arrive? I must admit that the initial thought I had when I saw the photograph was that 'Dawn' may have previously been known as Peter and you had finally achieved a position of authority.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Thatcher Said back in the 80's if you want the best then you must pay for the best, But did we get the best the answer is a clear no, all we got poor second best and at a high cost in wages, expenses and a high level of corruption to boot with it. Often you will find the best working next to nothing and earn low wages because they enjoy the job that they do.[/p][/quote]Can we assume that the invitation you were expecting has failed to arrive? I must admit that the initial thought I had when I saw the photograph was that 'Dawn' may have previously been known as Peter and you had finally achieved a position of authority. Torchie1

8:39pm Fri 21 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Williams stopped a deal with the Isle of wight going through if he hadn't we would not need to fill this post as the one on the Island would have overseen both councils .
so once again Williams has cost this city dear, how many child service workers could have been employed with this £165,000 a year?
Williams stopped a deal with the Isle of wight going through if he hadn't we would not need to fill this post as the one on the Island would have overseen both councils . so once again Williams has cost this city dear, how many child service workers could have been employed with this £165,000 a year? loosehead

8:48pm Fri 21 Dec 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post
Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again.

I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.
What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's.
I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job?
seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections.
or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post?
For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why?
The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts.
Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from?
Walt Disney?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again. I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.[/p][/quote]What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's. I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job? seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections. or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post? For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why? The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts. Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from? Walt Disney? loosehead

9:10pm Fri 21 Dec 12

The Music Man says...

she can probably afford to get her eyebrows done now
she can probably afford to get her eyebrows done now The Music Man

12:04am Sat 22 Dec 12

IronLady2010 says...

I wish Dawn the very best in her new role.

She has been chosen by our Leader. Let's hope she is strong enough to stand up to him. She looks like a fighting Lady, so let's hope she can point the Council leader in the right direction.

Tax Payers first, workers second!
I wish Dawn the very best in her new role. She has been chosen by our Leader. Let's hope she is strong enough to stand up to him. She looks like a fighting Lady, so let's hope she can point the Council leader in the right direction. Tax Payers first, workers second! IronLady2010

12:11am Sat 22 Dec 12

Graeme Harrison says...

Vonnie wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote:
what figure is put on the council gold plate pensions ? that,s where the council tax goes.
What bullshine. I am sick to death of the erroneous criticisms constantly being made by the ignorant about local authority pensions.
LA Pensions are paid for in the same way as other work related retirement pensions - mainly by the contributions made by employers and employees throughout their working life, and by good management of the Pension Fund by the Trustees.
Civil Service pensions are not quite the same as Local Authority ones. They come out of a national pot, but work in a similar way.
Council employees (and Civil Service employees) pay much more per month in contributiions pro rata for their work pensions than the average factory worker does, and always have done, so they should be able to take more out when retired. ie. more is paid in so a better benefit can be paid out. Or is that logic too difficult to understand?
The fact that they were initially inflation proofed (now to a much lesser extent) is due to the extra contributions paid in, and good negotiations between the Pension Trustees and the workforce over the years. Something the Government has successfully managed to undermine with support from a non informed hysterical public and pressure from private employers.
Yes, the initial contributions that the Council pays into a Local Authority Pension Scheme obviously come from its public contributed coffers, but the Council is an employer, so has the same legal and moral duties as any other employer towards its workforce. Again, is that logic too difficult to understand?
Most of the rubbish that people like arthur dalyrimple spout is down to pure misplaced jealousy, not logic.
What you omit to mention, unsurprisingly, in the course of your little diatribe are the following gems taken from the local government pension scheme website:

"the benefits you get when you retire are based on the length of your membership in the scheme and your final years pay" ie, they're not directly linked to the amount you've paid into the pension scheme

"It’s also possible to retire from age 55 and receive your benefits immediately, provided you have your employer's consent" unlike the overwhelming majority of people in private pension schemes

"the scheme provides you with a secure future income, independent of share prices and stock market fluctuations"
ie, if the investment market is performing poorly, it won't affect you

I think you'll find that the factory worker you drip on about doesn't enjoy any of those benefits but is likely to have to pay considerably more his pension than do local government employees in order to get considerably less.
[quote][p][bold]Vonnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: what figure is put on the council gold plate pensions ? that,s where the council tax goes.[/p][/quote]What bullshine. I am sick to death of the erroneous criticisms constantly being made by the ignorant about local authority pensions. LA Pensions are paid for in the same way as other work related retirement pensions - mainly by the contributions made by employers and employees throughout their working life, and by good management of the Pension Fund by the Trustees. Civil Service pensions are not quite the same as Local Authority ones. They come out of a national pot, but work in a similar way. Council employees (and Civil Service employees) pay much more per month in contributiions pro rata for their work pensions than the average factory worker does, and always have done, so they should be able to take more out when retired. ie. more is paid in so a better benefit can be paid out. Or is that logic too difficult to understand? The fact that they were initially inflation proofed (now to a much lesser extent) is due to the extra contributions paid in, and good negotiations between the Pension Trustees and the workforce over the years. Something the Government has successfully managed to undermine with support from a non informed hysterical public and pressure from private employers. Yes, the initial contributions that the Council pays into a Local Authority Pension Scheme obviously come from its public contributed coffers, but the Council is an employer, so has the same legal and moral duties as any other employer towards its workforce. Again, is that logic too difficult to understand? Most of the rubbish that people like arthur dalyrimple spout is down to pure misplaced jealousy, not logic.[/p][/quote]What you omit to mention, unsurprisingly, in the course of your little diatribe are the following gems taken from the local government pension scheme website: "the benefits you get when you retire are based on the length of your membership in the scheme and your final years pay" ie, they're not directly linked to the amount you've paid into the pension scheme "It’s also possible to retire from age 55 and receive your benefits immediately, provided you have your employer's consent" unlike the overwhelming majority of people in private pension schemes "the scheme provides you with a secure future income, independent of share prices and stock market fluctuations" ie, if the investment market is performing poorly, it won't affect you I think you'll find that the factory worker you drip on about doesn't enjoy any of those benefits but is likely to have to pay considerably more his pension than do local government employees in order to get considerably less. Graeme Harrison

12:27am Sat 22 Dec 12

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
One for Councillor Williams.
When are you going to open up the Cuts Colsultation to the public as a whole insted of this last round of invites onlys
Happy Christmas Southy. Let's hope in 2013 you continue your postings to keep us entertained. Have a good one my friend. x
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: One for Councillor Williams. When are you going to open up the Cuts Colsultation to the public as a whole insted of this last round of invites onlys[/p][/quote]Happy Christmas Southy. Let's hope in 2013 you continue your postings to keep us entertained. Have a good one my friend. x IronLady2010

4:57am Sat 22 Dec 12

Vonnie says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
Vonnie wrote:
arthur dalyrimple wrote: what figure is put on the council gold plate pensions ? that,s where the council tax goes.
What bullshine. I am sick to death of the erroneous criticisms constantly being made by the ignorant about local authority pensions. LA Pensions are paid for in the same way as other work related retirement pensions - mainly by the contributions made by employers and employees throughout their working life, and by good management of the Pension Fund by the Trustees. Civil Service pensions are not quite the same as Local Authority ones. They come out of a national pot, but work in a similar way. Council employees (and Civil Service employees) pay much more per month in contributiions pro rata for their work pensions than the average factory worker does, and always have done, so they should be able to take more out when retired. ie. more is paid in so a better benefit can be paid out. Or is that logic too difficult to understand? The fact that they were initially inflation proofed (now to a much lesser extent) is due to the extra contributions paid in, and good negotiations between the Pension Trustees and the workforce over the years. Something the Government has successfully managed to undermine with support from a non informed hysterical public and pressure from private employers. Yes, the initial contributions that the Council pays into a Local Authority Pension Scheme obviously come from its public contributed coffers, but the Council is an employer, so has the same legal and moral duties as any other employer towards its workforce. Again, is that logic too difficult to understand? Most of the rubbish that people like arthur dalyrimple spout is down to pure misplaced jealousy, not logic.
What you omit to mention, unsurprisingly, in the course of your little diatribe are the following gems taken from the local government pension scheme website: "the benefits you get when you retire are based on the length of your membership in the scheme and your final years pay" ie, they're not directly linked to the amount you've paid into the pension scheme "It’s also possible to retire from age 55 and receive your benefits immediately, provided you have your employer's consent" unlike the overwhelming majority of people in private pension schemes "the scheme provides you with a secure future income, independent of share prices and stock market fluctuations" ie, if the investment market is performing poorly, it won't affect you I think you'll find that the factory worker you drip on about doesn't enjoy any of those benefits but is likely to have to pay considerably more his pension than do local government employees in order to get considerably less.
Thanks for picking out points and misrepresenting final pay pension schemes in the same way as many other people do. To have the "luxury" of a final pay scheme, and local authorities were not the only ones, the contributions *are* much higher, so on the point where you said:-
"they're not directly linked to the amount you've paid into the pension scheme", you are totally and completely wrong. The amount you accrue in your pension pot, whether a final pay scheme one or otherwise, is obviously reliant upon how much you and your employer have paid in, and over what period. Nothing is for free.

The bit about retirement at age 55 is true in that you will get a pension, which is described in a mealie mouthed way as "your benefits",
However, what you don't say, and neither does the website, is that, for obvious reasons, you forfeit a lot of cash, pro rata, of what you would have been entitiled to receive at age 65, even if your employer allows you to take early retirement, and few people can afford to do that.

By the way, do you know how long that "secure future income" lasts. I doubt it.

In very simple terms, Local authority schemes are more secure because only authorised investments are allowed by the Trustees.

You need to do some proper research - not just on the Internet - and get your facts right into how much various industries and workforces contribute towards their pensions and how they work, before you make statements like:-
"I think you'll find that the factory worker you drip on about doesn't enjoy any of those benefits but is likely to have to pay considerably more his pension than do local government employees in order to get considerably less.”
because in that statement you are wrong. They get less if less is paid in or is badly invested.
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vonnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: what figure is put on the council gold plate pensions ? that,s where the council tax goes.[/p][/quote]What bullshine. I am sick to death of the erroneous criticisms constantly being made by the ignorant about local authority pensions. LA Pensions are paid for in the same way as other work related retirement pensions - mainly by the contributions made by employers and employees throughout their working life, and by good management of the Pension Fund by the Trustees. Civil Service pensions are not quite the same as Local Authority ones. They come out of a national pot, but work in a similar way. Council employees (and Civil Service employees) pay much more per month in contributiions pro rata for their work pensions than the average factory worker does, and always have done, so they should be able to take more out when retired. ie. more is paid in so a better benefit can be paid out. Or is that logic too difficult to understand? The fact that they were initially inflation proofed (now to a much lesser extent) is due to the extra contributions paid in, and good negotiations between the Pension Trustees and the workforce over the years. Something the Government has successfully managed to undermine with support from a non informed hysterical public and pressure from private employers. Yes, the initial contributions that the Council pays into a Local Authority Pension Scheme obviously come from its public contributed coffers, but the Council is an employer, so has the same legal and moral duties as any other employer towards its workforce. Again, is that logic too difficult to understand? Most of the rubbish that people like arthur dalyrimple spout is down to pure misplaced jealousy, not logic.[/p][/quote]What you omit to mention, unsurprisingly, in the course of your little diatribe are the following gems taken from the local government pension scheme website: "the benefits you get when you retire are based on the length of your membership in the scheme and your final years pay" ie, they're not directly linked to the amount you've paid into the pension scheme "It’s also possible to retire from age 55 and receive your benefits immediately, provided you have your employer's consent" unlike the overwhelming majority of people in private pension schemes "the scheme provides you with a secure future income, independent of share prices and stock market fluctuations" ie, if the investment market is performing poorly, it won't affect you I think you'll find that the factory worker you drip on about doesn't enjoy any of those benefits but is likely to have to pay considerably more his pension than do local government employees in order to get considerably less.[/p][/quote]Thanks for picking out points and misrepresenting final pay pension schemes in the same way as many other people do. To have the "luxury" of a final pay scheme, and local authorities were not the only ones, the contributions *are* much higher, so on the point where you said:- "they're not directly linked to the amount you've paid into the pension scheme", you are totally and completely wrong. The amount you accrue in your pension pot, whether a final pay scheme one or otherwise, is obviously reliant upon how much you and your employer have paid in, and over what period. Nothing is for free. The bit about retirement at age 55 is true in that you will get a pension, which is described in a mealie mouthed way as "your benefits", However, what you don't say, and neither does the website, is that, for obvious reasons, you forfeit a lot of cash, pro rata, of what you would have been entitiled to receive at age 65, even if your employer allows you to take early retirement, and few people can afford to do that. By the way, do you know how long that "secure future income" lasts. I doubt it. In very simple terms, Local authority schemes are more secure because only authorised investments are allowed by the Trustees. You need to do some proper research - not just on the Internet - and get your facts right into how much various industries and workforces contribute towards their pensions and how they work, before you make statements like:- "I think you'll find that the factory worker you drip on about doesn't enjoy any of those benefits but is likely to have to pay considerably more his pension than do local government employees in order to get considerably less.” because in that statement you are wrong. They get less if less is paid in or is badly invested. Vonnie

10:54am Sat 22 Dec 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post
Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again.

I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.
What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's.
I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job?
seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections.
or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post?
For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why?
The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts.
Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from?
Walt Disney?
Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment.
Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players.
There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again. I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.[/p][/quote]What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's. I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job? seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections. or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post? For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why? The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts. Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from? Walt Disney?[/p][/quote]Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment. Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players. There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed. southy

11:39am Sat 22 Dec 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post
Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again.

I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.
What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's.
I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job?
seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections.
or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post?
For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why?
The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts.
Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from?
Walt Disney?
Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment.
Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players.
There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed.
Could you remind us what happened to the Communist/Socialist governments of Europe and why they all fell like one after another?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again. I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.[/p][/quote]What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's. I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job? seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections. or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post? For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why? The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts. Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from? Walt Disney?[/p][/quote]Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment. Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players. There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed.[/p][/quote]Could you remind us what happened to the Communist/Socialist governments of Europe and why they all fell like one after another? Torchie1

12:35pm Sat 22 Dec 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post
Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again.

I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.
What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's.
I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job?
seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections.
or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post?
For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why?
The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts.
Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from?
Walt Disney?
Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment.
Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players.
There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed.
Really so when my father took me down to Chantry Hall to see Harold Wilson he was right wing?
I can't understand this "every othjer party's right wing besides the TUSC" attitude you have
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again. I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.[/p][/quote]What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's. I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job? seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections. or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post? For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why? The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts. Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from? Walt Disney?[/p][/quote]Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment. Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players. There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed.[/p][/quote]Really so when my father took me down to Chantry Hall to see Harold Wilson he was right wing? I can't understand this "every othjer party's right wing besides the TUSC" attitude you have loosehead

2:05pm Sat 22 Dec 12

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post
Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again.

I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.
What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's.
I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job?
seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections.
or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post?
For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why?
The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts.
Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from?
Walt Disney?
Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment.
Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players.
There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed.
Could you remind us what happened to the Communist/Socialist governments of Europe and why they all fell like one after another?
You mean communsit Capitalist Governments, Told to many times before, there is a very big difference between Stalinism (state provinical capitalism) and Socialism, it seems that you can not tell the difference.
Read Churchill books and he also tell you the same, Stalin was not offering Socialism, but a type of Capitalism.
Just because they are Republicans it do not make them socialist,.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again. I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.[/p][/quote]What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's. I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job? seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections. or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post? For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why? The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts. Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from? Walt Disney?[/p][/quote]Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment. Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players. There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed.[/p][/quote]Could you remind us what happened to the Communist/Socialist governments of Europe and why they all fell like one after another?[/p][/quote]You mean communsit Capitalist Governments, Told to many times before, there is a very big difference between Stalinism (state provinical capitalism) and Socialism, it seems that you can not tell the difference. Read Churchill books and he also tell you the same, Stalin was not offering Socialism, but a type of Capitalism. Just because they are Republicans it do not make them socialist,. southy

2:23pm Sat 22 Dec 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post
Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again.

I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.
What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's.
I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job?
seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections.
or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post?
For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why?
The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts.
Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from?
Walt Disney?
Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment.
Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players.
There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed.
Really so when my father took me down to Chantry Hall to see Harold Wilson he was right wing?
I can't understand this "every othjer party's right wing besides the TUSC" attitude you have
Harold Wilson was a centre Ground Politician, and probley one of the best politicians theres ever been in England.
The Labour Party has never been a Total Left Wing Party, it was a mix between Left and right wing policy, right have all ways been the biggest part of the party.
The idea in the Labour Party was to slowly move to the center to left ground and slowly replace right wing labour politicians with left wing, but it never pass 42% left wing politicians with in the labour party, before the right wing started to argue with the left, then we all should know by now what took place when Kinnock took over the party, the removal of the left and making the Labour Party just another right wing Party.
The TUSC are the only ones that have left wing policys, but they also have right wing policys also. Like a nationalise industary is State Capitalism.
When you under stand where the center ground is in politics then you will know what is what.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again. I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.[/p][/quote]What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's. I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job? seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections. or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post? For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why? The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts. Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from? Walt Disney?[/p][/quote]Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment. Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players. There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed.[/p][/quote]Really so when my father took me down to Chantry Hall to see Harold Wilson he was right wing? I can't understand this "every othjer party's right wing besides the TUSC" attitude you have[/p][/quote]Harold Wilson was a centre Ground Politician, and probley one of the best politicians theres ever been in England. The Labour Party has never been a Total Left Wing Party, it was a mix between Left and right wing policy, right have all ways been the biggest part of the party. The idea in the Labour Party was to slowly move to the center to left ground and slowly replace right wing labour politicians with left wing, but it never pass 42% left wing politicians with in the labour party, before the right wing started to argue with the left, then we all should know by now what took place when Kinnock took over the party, the removal of the left and making the Labour Party just another right wing Party. The TUSC are the only ones that have left wing policys, but they also have right wing policys also. Like a nationalise industary is State Capitalism. When you under stand where the center ground is in politics then you will know what is what. southy

2:58pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

HillsidePaul wrote:
"Eric Pickles told Councils to get rid of Chief Executives".

Do you seriously suggest that We take advice from this oaf who is hell bent on destroying Local Government.

And before you say yes do you really want everything controlled from Westminster?
You are right about Tory Pickles nasty agends.

But surely you can't be supporting Dear Leader's policy of keep on demanding more and more from decreasing number of front line workers while cutting their wages and services for the people, while keep on wasting mega money on pen pushing fat cats on the top?

Yes Tory Pickles is trying to destroy local government from out side. Rather than trying to take that obnoxious Tory head on The Dear Leader of local NuLabour (Closet Conservatives) is undermining and bringing it into disrepute in Southampton.

This was opportunity for NuLabourites to split and share whatever pen pushing was done in Chief Executive's office and save some money. But like the dictator of North Korea the Dear Leader loves his own court full of cronies and like British monarch few animals around.

That is why he is not reducing number of fat cats and has increased the number of expensive poodles in his cabinet, who are now pi55ing upon those who voted them by cutting their badly needed services.

People like you are wasting life in NuLabour.
Face the fact it has hardly anything to do with Labour as it has been taken over by turn coats and traitors.

You can't turn this Titanic around, leave it to contribute towards building a brand new party based on real old Labour's socialist values.

Make the best of Xmas, good excuse for walking down the hillside for few pints! With crazy policies of this ConDem Coalition you may not be able to afford even a half pint anymore, that will be the exclusive domain of super rich with the blessings of arrogant posh boy Osborn
[quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: "Eric Pickles told Councils to get rid of Chief Executives". Do you seriously suggest that We take advice from this oaf who is hell bent on destroying Local Government. And before you say yes do you really want everything controlled from Westminster?[/p][/quote]You are right about Tory Pickles nasty agends. But surely you can't be supporting Dear Leader's policy of keep on demanding more and more from decreasing number of front line workers while cutting their wages and services for the people, while keep on wasting mega money on pen pushing fat cats on the top? Yes Tory Pickles is trying to destroy local government from out side. Rather than trying to take that obnoxious Tory head on The Dear Leader of local NuLabour (Closet Conservatives) is undermining and bringing it into disrepute in Southampton. This was opportunity for NuLabourites to split and share whatever pen pushing was done in Chief Executive's office and save some money. But like the dictator of North Korea the Dear Leader loves his own court full of cronies and like British monarch few animals around. That is why he is not reducing number of fat cats and has increased the number of expensive poodles in his cabinet, who are now pi55ing upon those who voted them by cutting their badly needed services. People like you are wasting life in NuLabour. Face the fact it has hardly anything to do with Labour as it has been taken over by turn coats and traitors. You can't turn this Titanic around, leave it to contribute towards building a brand new party based on real old Labour's socialist values. Make the best of Xmas, good excuse for walking down the hillside for few pints! With crazy policies of this ConDem Coalition you may not be able to afford even a half pint anymore, that will be the exclusive domain of super rich with the blessings of arrogant posh boy Osborn Paramjit Bahia

3:06pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Dawn Baxendale can afford to smile, thanks to Dear Leader turning into Santa and arriving early with top job and plenty of cash.

But what about us the people, whose incomes are shrinking but still will have to pay for this fat cat?
Dawn Baxendale can afford to smile, thanks to Dear Leader turning into Santa and arriving early with top job and plenty of cash. But what about us the people, whose incomes are shrinking but still will have to pay for this fat cat? Paramjit Bahia

5:17pm Sat 22 Dec 12

loosehead says...

HillsidePaul wrote:
"Eric Pickles told Councils to get rid of Chief Executives".

Do you seriously suggest that We take advice from this oaf who is hell bent on destroying Local Government.

And before you say yes do you really want everything controlled from Westminster?
So you don't agree using this £165,000 to save the jobs that are being lost then?
[quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: "Eric Pickles told Councils to get rid of Chief Executives". Do you seriously suggest that We take advice from this oaf who is hell bent on destroying Local Government. And before you say yes do you really want everything controlled from Westminster?[/p][/quote]So you don't agree using this £165,000 to save the jobs that are being lost then? loosehead

7:15pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

loosehead wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
"Eric Pickles told Councils to get rid of Chief Executives".

Do you seriously suggest that We take advice from this oaf who is hell bent on destroying Local Government.

And before you say yes do you really want everything controlled from Westminster?
So you don't agree using this £165,000 to save the jobs that are being lost then?
Loosehead as usual you are on assuming exercise.

So far Hillsidepal has not said any such thing, if he responds to it by inviting you to meet to discuss this vexed subject then you may once again start accusing him of making threats.

He may be member of party in power so may have decided to stay quite on this issue, because otherwise you will only exploit that for your usual Tory propaganda.

But you will want us to forget how under your local heros Smith and Moulton very highly paid jobs were also created for spinning stories to suit Tories, and that eye sore Hannides Horror House.

When are you going to start those acts of sheer madness by Tories?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: "Eric Pickles told Councils to get rid of Chief Executives". Do you seriously suggest that We take advice from this oaf who is hell bent on destroying Local Government. And before you say yes do you really want everything controlled from Westminster?[/p][/quote]So you don't agree using this £165,000 to save the jobs that are being lost then?[/p][/quote]Loosehead as usual you are on assuming exercise. So far Hillsidepal has not said any such thing, if he responds to it by inviting you to meet to discuss this vexed subject then you may once again start accusing him of making threats. He may be member of party in power so may have decided to stay quite on this issue, because otherwise you will only exploit that for your usual Tory propaganda. But you will want us to forget how under your local heros Smith and Moulton very highly paid jobs were also created for spinning stories to suit Tories, and that eye sore Hannides Horror House. When are you going to start those acts of sheer madness by Tories? Paramjit Bahia

8:58pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post
Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again.

I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.
What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's.
I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job?
seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections.
or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post?
For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why?
The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts.
Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from?
Walt Disney?
Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment.
Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players.
There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed.
Still going with the 'pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow' economic policy then.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Alistair Neill, who has quit the £165,000-a-year post Oh well Royston you lost one of your buddies in high office that you bought in from a Wales Council. I think he knows that his m8 Royston will not be leader of the Council again. I hope Dawn Baxendale can do a better job in her new appointment than she did being the Director of Environment and Economy, she manage to mess things up there, Dawn Baxendale is another one that was bought in by Royston.[/p][/quote]What a total idiot you are! With the proposed amalgamation of both our council officers & the Isle of Wight saving both councils millions either our Officer was to go or the Isle of Wight's. I wonder exactly when Mr Neil applied for this job,was interviewed for this job? seems to me the short time this council has been into power wasn't long enough & this process has been happening before the local elections. or are you telling me there was no interviews or no application process involved in him getting the post? For some one with no chance on this earth of getting Tory votes you seem to be attacking Royston as if you were going to win those votes why? The only people likely to vote for you are Labour supporters who believe your parties & Don Thomases parties lies about no need for cuts. Southy as I doubt if this will sink in even the most left wing governments in the EU are making cuts many whose banks were hardly effected so where do you get your facts from? Walt Disney?[/p][/quote]Seems you forgotten what was printed in the Echo, He was given the appointment. Maybe this might sink into you a bit there are no left wing governments in the EU they are all right wing Governments and have been for a very long time, even our Labour party are a right wing and are only team players. There is no need really for any cuts, we are a wealthy country its just that the money is going into the few pockets and not where its really needed.[/p][/quote]Still going with the 'pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow' economic policy then. Shoong

9:01pm Sat 22 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
loosehead wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
"Eric Pickles told Councils to get rid of Chief Executives".

Do you seriously suggest that We take advice from this oaf who is hell bent on destroying Local Government.

And before you say yes do you really want everything controlled from Westminster?
So you don't agree using this £165,000 to save the jobs that are being lost then?
Loosehead as usual you are on assuming exercise.

So far Hillsidepal has not said any such thing, if he responds to it by inviting you to meet to discuss this vexed subject then you may once again start accusing him of making threats.

He may be member of party in power so may have decided to stay quite on this issue, because otherwise you will only exploit that for your usual Tory propaganda.

But you will want us to forget how under your local heros Smith and Moulton very highly paid jobs were also created for spinning stories to suit Tories, and that eye sore Hannides Horror House.

When are you going to start those acts of sheer madness by Tories?
You made a comment about me which was wrong ( on another article) & now here you are doing it again.
In the cuts by the Tories senior management were the first to be cut or doesn't your political ideology allow you to remember that?
Under the Tory council two would become one so cutting the need for at least 50% of senior management here & on the Isle of Wight.
Saving this & the Islands council millions so no need for the cuts proposed by Labour.
Yet they stopped the deal going ahead & instead of covering this post with no extra cost so releasing this money to help save jobs they appoint some one why?
Why don't you ever mention this?
I have never called you racist? I have never offered to meet you even though I don't live that far from you.
I couldn't believe the c+ap you wrote in reply to my post on the other article but have I called you names?
I thought you were rubbish as a Labour councillor oh! back then I did vote Labour so why did I change? people like you made me look at a party I was bought up to hate.
people like you made me realise that Labour were once needed but now have gone to far from making society just to an unjust society where your better off out of work than in work.
I worked up to 80 hours a week & yet I saw some one on invalidity pay with far more money than I could earn.
Now after Williams Lying how the hell can you go on about Lying Tories?
As this is suppose to be a debating site I get frustrated at the insults & names thrown at me.
A few years ago I would have quite happily lowered myself to their level & met them & if fists were being thrown I would have fought back.
But I'm 56 & I hope I'm past that stage of my life.
But I've noticed if people don't want to admit you are right & they're wrong they insult you & some offer to meet you so I thought I'd ask some one who I thought was a moderate voice on here to speak to them but sorry I was wrong your recent posts show exactly who you are!
I've been called a racist & as my wife's Thai I hate being called that so I will never call you that but isn't someone on another post asking for a reply from you on that subject or are they lying about what you printed?
Oh! MERRY CHRISTMAS GOODWILL TO ALL MEN & HAPPY NEW YEAR.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: "Eric Pickles told Councils to get rid of Chief Executives". Do you seriously suggest that We take advice from this oaf who is hell bent on destroying Local Government. And before you say yes do you really want everything controlled from Westminster?[/p][/quote]So you don't agree using this £165,000 to save the jobs that are being lost then?[/p][/quote]Loosehead as usual you are on assuming exercise. So far Hillsidepal has not said any such thing, if he responds to it by inviting you to meet to discuss this vexed subject then you may once again start accusing him of making threats. He may be member of party in power so may have decided to stay quite on this issue, because otherwise you will only exploit that for your usual Tory propaganda. But you will want us to forget how under your local heros Smith and Moulton very highly paid jobs were also created for spinning stories to suit Tories, and that eye sore Hannides Horror House. When are you going to start those acts of sheer madness by Tories?[/p][/quote]You made a comment about me which was wrong ( on another article) & now here you are doing it again. In the cuts by the Tories senior management were the first to be cut or doesn't your political ideology allow you to remember that? Under the Tory council two would become one so cutting the need for at least 50% of senior management here & on the Isle of Wight. Saving this & the Islands council millions so no need for the cuts proposed by Labour. Yet they stopped the deal going ahead & instead of covering this post with no extra cost so releasing this money to help save jobs they appoint some one why? Why don't you ever mention this? I have never called you racist? I have never offered to meet you even though I don't live that far from you. I couldn't believe the c+ap you wrote in reply to my post on the other article but have I called you names? I thought you were rubbish as a Labour councillor oh! back then I did vote Labour so why did I change? people like you made me look at a party I was bought up to hate. people like you made me realise that Labour were once needed but now have gone to far from making society just to an unjust society where your better off out of work than in work. I worked up to 80 hours a week & yet I saw some one on invalidity pay with far more money than I could earn. Now after Williams Lying how the hell can you go on about Lying Tories? As this is suppose to be a debating site I get frustrated at the insults & names thrown at me. A few years ago I would have quite happily lowered myself to their level & met them & if fists were being thrown I would have fought back. But I'm 56 & I hope I'm past that stage of my life. But I've noticed if people don't want to admit you are right & they're wrong they insult you & some offer to meet you so I thought I'd ask some one who I thought was a moderate voice on here to speak to them but sorry I was wrong your recent posts show exactly who you are! I've been called a racist & as my wife's Thai I hate being called that so I will never call you that but isn't someone on another post asking for a reply from you on that subject or are they lying about what you printed? Oh! MERRY CHRISTMAS GOODWILL TO ALL MEN & HAPPY NEW YEAR. loosehead

12:39am Sun 23 Dec 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Loosehead, Yes I have described you as mouth piece of Tories, because you defend them and support them on this site. Were you not going to be their candidate? So obviously a member. But I have never ever called you a racist, nor you have given me any reason to suspect.Yes I often disagree with your Conservatism, but have and will defend your right to hold your views, because that is what democracy should be all about.I know the man using ID Hillsidepal. Because some time back you completely misunderstood his and another contributors remarks inviting you to meet as threat (you may recall I told you that time that your suggestion was unfair and way off the mark, because they most certainly are not the people who go around making such threats) this time I simply tried to remind you that it could be the reason why Hillsidepal may not reply to your political trap. I am aware he is able to answer you in great detail on every point, which can't simply be done through simple few line comment.

I and some others who may still be members of NuLabour, sometimes do not approve of what local Council is doing. So have often criticised Cllr. Williams. And I have even praised your hero Smith when he may have done something right. That is called fairness.

But when was it last time you posted anything other than pro Tory excuses and asking endless questions which if answered in simple yes or no terms could be exploited by you for promoting the image of your self confessed nasty party (words of your Ms May) which according to a Tory MP is led by out of touch arrogant posh boys? Those actions are signs of your biased and subjective thoughts.

So it could also be due to that in mind, people like HSP could be doing the right thing by not responding to your loaded mischievous questions in terms you may wish to hear.

I hope you won't mind my observation, I have the feeling you are against NuLabour or Labour because of your personal bitterness caused by local MPs having approached BAT's destroying your own job differently than you wished, so your love for Labour has turned into total hate. Your political views are inconsistent, otherwise how could a fan of Tony Benn end up becoming strong supporter of anti union Smith and Moulton?

Finally may I wish you and your family all the best wishes for Xmas.
Loosehead, Yes I have described you as mouth piece of Tories, because you defend them and support them on this site. Were you not going to be their candidate? So obviously a member. But I have never ever called you a racist, nor you have given me any reason to suspect.Yes I often disagree with your Conservatism, but have and will defend your right to hold your views, because that is what democracy should be all about.I know the man using ID Hillsidepal. Because some time back you completely misunderstood his and another contributors remarks inviting you to meet as threat (you may recall I told you that time that your suggestion was unfair and way off the mark, because they most certainly are not the people who go around making such threats) this time I simply tried to remind you that it could be the reason why Hillsidepal may not reply to your political trap. I am aware he is able to answer you in great detail on every point, which can't simply be done through simple few line comment. I and some others who may still be members of NuLabour, sometimes do not approve of what local Council is doing. So have often criticised Cllr. Williams. And I have even praised your hero Smith when he may have done something right. That is called fairness. But when was it last time you posted anything other than pro Tory excuses and asking endless questions which if answered in simple yes or no terms could be exploited by you for promoting the image of your self confessed nasty party (words of your Ms May) which according to a Tory MP is led by out of touch arrogant posh boys? Those actions are signs of your biased and subjective thoughts. So it could also be due to that in mind, people like HSP could be doing the right thing by not responding to your loaded mischievous questions in terms you may wish to hear. I hope you won't mind my observation, I have the feeling you are against NuLabour or Labour because of your personal bitterness caused by local MPs having approached BAT's destroying your own job differently than you wished, so your love for Labour has turned into total hate. Your political views are inconsistent, otherwise how could a fan of Tony Benn end up becoming strong supporter of anti union Smith and Moulton? Finally may I wish you and your family all the best wishes for Xmas. Paramjit Bahia

8:37am Sun 23 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Loosehead, Yes I have described you as mouth piece of Tories, because you defend them and support them on this site. Were you not going to be their candidate? So obviously a member. But I have never ever called you a racist, nor you have given me any reason to suspect.Yes I often disagree with your Conservatism, but have and will defend your right to hold your views, because that is what democracy should be all about.I know the man using ID Hillsidepal. Because some time back you completely misunderstood his and another contributors remarks inviting you to meet as threat (you may recall I told you that time that your suggestion was unfair and way off the mark, because they most certainly are not the people who go around making such threats) this time I simply tried to remind you that it could be the reason why Hillsidepal may not reply to your political trap. I am aware he is able to answer you in great detail on every point, which can't simply be done through simple few line comment.

I and some others who may still be members of NuLabour, sometimes do not approve of what local Council is doing. So have often criticised Cllr. Williams. And I have even praised your hero Smith when he may have done something right. That is called fairness.

But when was it last time you posted anything other than pro Tory excuses and asking endless questions which if answered in simple yes or no terms could be exploited by you for promoting the image of your self confessed nasty party (words of your Ms May) which according to a Tory MP is led by out of touch arrogant posh boys? Those actions are signs of your biased and subjective thoughts.

So it could also be due to that in mind, people like HSP could be doing the right thing by not responding to your loaded mischievous questions in terms you may wish to hear.

I hope you won't mind my observation, I have the feeling you are against NuLabour or Labour because of your personal bitterness caused by local MPs having approached BAT's destroying your own job differently than you wished, so your love for Labour has turned into total hate. Your political views are inconsistent, otherwise how could a fan of Tony Benn end up becoming strong supporter of anti union Smith and Moulton?

Finally may I wish you and your family all the best wishes for Xmas.
I respected Tony Benn & supported him on the Common Market but no more than that.
As for my hatred of Labour? No it was not because of BAT as I'd put in for redundancy if it occurred. Yes I'm not happy with our two Labour MP's not supporting my fellow workers.
I was a member of the Conservative party but I'm not at this moment.
I was a stand in shop steward who saved the job of a guy who I didn't agree with but I knew why he was not working properly & he promised he would after I got his sacking stopped but then he just went back & did it.
because of this any chance of improvement in my career there was over as the manager never forgot how I made him look stupid.
I'm anti Labour as I remember June Bridle's Labour council. I also remember many companies telling Labour raise NI stamp & we leave but Labour knew better & they left.
I'm against Labour as I believe we've created a society where it's financially better on the dole than going to work.
After listening to Ed Balls on how he'd sort it I'm still in shock.
he said we'll sort it6 by getting them into work?
is he dreaming? there's a hard core that doesn't want work why else would over 3million eastern Europeans come here & find work if there was none to be had?
I never meant to suggest your a racist I think it's a term bandied about to easily now.
many use it against someone who's being patriotic & not against someones colour or ethnic group.
I for one have had Linesman defending what I said yet I'm being branded a racist as well.
I do believe Cllr Williams has lost the plot here! if he'd gone ahead with the tie up between this council & the Island all these cuts wouldn't have happened or been so severe & this lady wouldn't be in this post as it would be covered.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Loosehead, Yes I have described you as mouth piece of Tories, because you defend them and support them on this site. Were you not going to be their candidate? So obviously a member. But I have never ever called you a racist, nor you have given me any reason to suspect.Yes I often disagree with your Conservatism, but have and will defend your right to hold your views, because that is what democracy should be all about.I know the man using ID Hillsidepal. Because some time back you completely misunderstood his and another contributors remarks inviting you to meet as threat (you may recall I told you that time that your suggestion was unfair and way off the mark, because they most certainly are not the people who go around making such threats) this time I simply tried to remind you that it could be the reason why Hillsidepal may not reply to your political trap. I am aware he is able to answer you in great detail on every point, which can't simply be done through simple few line comment. I and some others who may still be members of NuLabour, sometimes do not approve of what local Council is doing. So have often criticised Cllr. Williams. And I have even praised your hero Smith when he may have done something right. That is called fairness. But when was it last time you posted anything other than pro Tory excuses and asking endless questions which if answered in simple yes or no terms could be exploited by you for promoting the image of your self confessed nasty party (words of your Ms May) which according to a Tory MP is led by out of touch arrogant posh boys? Those actions are signs of your biased and subjective thoughts. So it could also be due to that in mind, people like HSP could be doing the right thing by not responding to your loaded mischievous questions in terms you may wish to hear. I hope you won't mind my observation, I have the feeling you are against NuLabour or Labour because of your personal bitterness caused by local MPs having approached BAT's destroying your own job differently than you wished, so your love for Labour has turned into total hate. Your political views are inconsistent, otherwise how could a fan of Tony Benn end up becoming strong supporter of anti union Smith and Moulton? Finally may I wish you and your family all the best wishes for Xmas.[/p][/quote]I respected Tony Benn & supported him on the Common Market but no more than that. As for my hatred of Labour? No it was not because of BAT as I'd put in for redundancy if it occurred. Yes I'm not happy with our two Labour MP's not supporting my fellow workers. I was a member of the Conservative party but I'm not at this moment. I was a stand in shop steward who saved the job of a guy who I didn't agree with but I knew why he was not working properly & he promised he would after I got his sacking stopped but then he just went back & did it. because of this any chance of improvement in my career there was over as the manager never forgot how I made him look stupid. I'm anti Labour as I remember June Bridle's Labour council. I also remember many companies telling Labour raise NI stamp & we leave but Labour knew better & they left. I'm against Labour as I believe we've created a society where it's financially better on the dole than going to work. After listening to Ed Balls on how he'd sort it I'm still in shock. he said we'll sort it6 by getting them into work? is he dreaming? there's a hard core that doesn't want work why else would over 3million eastern Europeans come here & find work if there was none to be had? I never meant to suggest your a racist I think it's a term bandied about to easily now. many use it against someone who's being patriotic & not against someones colour or ethnic group. I for one have had Linesman defending what I said yet I'm being branded a racist as well. I do believe Cllr Williams has lost the plot here! if he'd gone ahead with the tie up between this council & the Island all these cuts wouldn't have happened or been so severe & this lady wouldn't be in this post as it would be covered. loosehead

12:48pm Sun 23 Dec 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Loosehead, Yes I have described you as mouth piece of Tories, because you defend them and support them on this site. Were you not going to be their candidate? So obviously a member. But I have never ever called you a racist, nor you have given me any reason to suspect.Yes I often disagree with your Conservatism, but have and will defend your right to hold your views, because that is what democracy should be all about.I know the man using ID Hillsidepal. Because some time back you completely misunderstood his and another contributors remarks inviting you to meet as threat (you may recall I told you that time that your suggestion was unfair and way off the mark, because they most certainly are not the people who go around making such threats) this time I simply tried to remind you that it could be the reason why Hillsidepal may not reply to your political trap. I am aware he is able to answer you in great detail on every point, which can't simply be done through simple few line comment.

I and some others who may still be members of NuLabour, sometimes do not approve of what local Council is doing. So have often criticised Cllr. Williams. And I have even praised your hero Smith when he may have done something right. That is called fairness.

But when was it last time you posted anything other than pro Tory excuses and asking endless questions which if answered in simple yes or no terms could be exploited by you for promoting the image of your self confessed nasty party (words of your Ms May) which according to a Tory MP is led by out of touch arrogant posh boys? Those actions are signs of your biased and subjective thoughts.

So it could also be due to that in mind, people like HSP could be doing the right thing by not responding to your loaded mischievous questions in terms you may wish to hear.

I hope you won't mind my observation, I have the feeling you are against NuLabour or Labour because of your personal bitterness caused by local MPs having approached BAT's destroying your own job differently than you wished, so your love for Labour has turned into total hate. Your political views are inconsistent, otherwise how could a fan of Tony Benn end up becoming strong supporter of anti union Smith and Moulton?

Finally may I wish you and your family all the best wishes for Xmas.
I respected Tony Benn & supported him on the Common Market but no more than that.
As for my hatred of Labour? No it was not because of BAT as I'd put in for redundancy if it occurred. Yes I'm not happy with our two Labour MP's not supporting my fellow workers.
I was a member of the Conservative party but I'm not at this moment.
I was a stand in shop steward who saved the job of a guy who I didn't agree with but I knew why he was not working properly & he promised he would after I got his sacking stopped but then he just went back & did it.
because of this any chance of improvement in my career there was over as the manager never forgot how I made him look stupid.
I'm anti Labour as I remember June Bridle's Labour council. I also remember many companies telling Labour raise NI stamp & we leave but Labour knew better & they left.
I'm against Labour as I believe we've created a society where it's financially better on the dole than going to work.
After listening to Ed Balls on how he'd sort it I'm still in shock.
he said we'll sort it6 by getting them into work?
is he dreaming? there's a hard core that doesn't want work why else would over 3million eastern Europeans come here & find work if there was none to be had?
I never meant to suggest your a racist I think it's a term bandied about to easily now.
many use it against someone who's being patriotic & not against someones colour or ethnic group.
I for one have had Linesman defending what I said yet I'm being branded a racist as well.
I do believe Cllr Williams has lost the plot here! if he'd gone ahead with the tie up between this council & the Island all these cuts wouldn't have happened or been so severe & this lady wouldn't be in this post as it would be covered.
Loosehead, I have no idea why Linesman described you a racist, because I only glance through some posts on this site.

Also I can only speak for myself, so once again I repeat that I have never ever called you a racist and I have never had any reason to suspect that you may be a racist.

Racism whichever direction it comes from is most evil. that is why I do not go around shouting racism all the time, and I share your view that there are too many around doing that. Also yes most of them are also mainly on so called liberal left, who go around shouting racism for reasons only known to them, which in turn hinders the struggle against real racism.

For some of these people slogans are easy and cheap, and fashionable but they hardly ever practice what they preach.

No I do not share your view that unemployed people's life is easy and they don't want to work. Tiny percentage of unemployed people may be abusing the welfare system, vast majority are the victims of economic system.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Loosehead, Yes I have described you as mouth piece of Tories, because you defend them and support them on this site. Were you not going to be their candidate? So obviously a member. But I have never ever called you a racist, nor you have given me any reason to suspect.Yes I often disagree with your Conservatism, but have and will defend your right to hold your views, because that is what democracy should be all about.I know the man using ID Hillsidepal. Because some time back you completely misunderstood his and another contributors remarks inviting you to meet as threat (you may recall I told you that time that your suggestion was unfair and way off the mark, because they most certainly are not the people who go around making such threats) this time I simply tried to remind you that it could be the reason why Hillsidepal may not reply to your political trap. I am aware he is able to answer you in great detail on every point, which can't simply be done through simple few line comment. I and some others who may still be members of NuLabour, sometimes do not approve of what local Council is doing. So have often criticised Cllr. Williams. And I have even praised your hero Smith when he may have done something right. That is called fairness. But when was it last time you posted anything other than pro Tory excuses and asking endless questions which if answered in simple yes or no terms could be exploited by you for promoting the image of your self confessed nasty party (words of your Ms May) which according to a Tory MP is led by out of touch arrogant posh boys? Those actions are signs of your biased and subjective thoughts. So it could also be due to that in mind, people like HSP could be doing the right thing by not responding to your loaded mischievous questions in terms you may wish to hear. I hope you won't mind my observation, I have the feeling you are against NuLabour or Labour because of your personal bitterness caused by local MPs having approached BAT's destroying your own job differently than you wished, so your love for Labour has turned into total hate. Your political views are inconsistent, otherwise how could a fan of Tony Benn end up becoming strong supporter of anti union Smith and Moulton? Finally may I wish you and your family all the best wishes for Xmas.[/p][/quote]I respected Tony Benn & supported him on the Common Market but no more than that. As for my hatred of Labour? No it was not because of BAT as I'd put in for redundancy if it occurred. Yes I'm not happy with our two Labour MP's not supporting my fellow workers. I was a member of the Conservative party but I'm not at this moment. I was a stand in shop steward who saved the job of a guy who I didn't agree with but I knew why he was not working properly & he promised he would after I got his sacking stopped but then he just went back & did it. because of this any chance of improvement in my career there was over as the manager never forgot how I made him look stupid. I'm anti Labour as I remember June Bridle's Labour council. I also remember many companies telling Labour raise NI stamp & we leave but Labour knew better & they left. I'm against Labour as I believe we've created a society where it's financially better on the dole than going to work. After listening to Ed Balls on how he'd sort it I'm still in shock. he said we'll sort it6 by getting them into work? is he dreaming? there's a hard core that doesn't want work why else would over 3million eastern Europeans come here & find work if there was none to be had? I never meant to suggest your a racist I think it's a term bandied about to easily now. many use it against someone who's being patriotic & not against someones colour or ethnic group. I for one have had Linesman defending what I said yet I'm being branded a racist as well. I do believe Cllr Williams has lost the plot here! if he'd gone ahead with the tie up between this council & the Island all these cuts wouldn't have happened or been so severe & this lady wouldn't be in this post as it would be covered.[/p][/quote]Loosehead, I have no idea why Linesman described you a racist, because I only glance through some posts on this site. Also I can only speak for myself, so once again I repeat that I have never ever called you a racist and I have never had any reason to suspect that you may be a racist. Racism whichever direction it comes from is most evil. that is why I do not go around shouting racism all the time, and I share your view that there are too many around doing that. Also yes most of them are also mainly on so called liberal left, who go around shouting racism for reasons only known to them, which in turn hinders the struggle against real racism. For some of these people slogans are easy and cheap, and fashionable but they hardly ever practice what they preach. No I do not share your view that unemployed people's life is easy and they don't want to work. Tiny percentage of unemployed people may be abusing the welfare system, vast majority are the victims of economic system. Paramjit Bahia

12:57pm Sun 23 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Loosehead, Yes I have described you as mouth piece of Tories, because you defend them and support them on this site. Were you not going to be their candidate? So obviously a member. But I have never ever called you a racist, nor you have given me any reason to suspect.Yes I often disagree with your Conservatism, but have and will defend your right to hold your views, because that is what democracy should be all about.I know the man using ID Hillsidepal. Because some time back you completely misunderstood his and another contributors remarks inviting you to meet as threat (you may recall I told you that time that your suggestion was unfair and way off the mark, because they most certainly are not the people who go around making such threats) this time I simply tried to remind you that it could be the reason why Hillsidepal may not reply to your political trap. I am aware he is able to answer you in great detail on every point, which can't simply be done through simple few line comment.

I and some others who may still be members of NuLabour, sometimes do not approve of what local Council is doing. So have often criticised Cllr. Williams. And I have even praised your hero Smith when he may have done something right. That is called fairness.

But when was it last time you posted anything other than pro Tory excuses and asking endless questions which if answered in simple yes or no terms could be exploited by you for promoting the image of your self confessed nasty party (words of your Ms May) which according to a Tory MP is led by out of touch arrogant posh boys? Those actions are signs of your biased and subjective thoughts.

So it could also be due to that in mind, people like HSP could be doing the right thing by not responding to your loaded mischievous questions in terms you may wish to hear.

I hope you won't mind my observation, I have the feeling you are against NuLabour or Labour because of your personal bitterness caused by local MPs having approached BAT's destroying your own job differently than you wished, so your love for Labour has turned into total hate. Your political views are inconsistent, otherwise how could a fan of Tony Benn end up becoming strong supporter of anti union Smith and Moulton?

Finally may I wish you and your family all the best wishes for Xmas.
I respected Tony Benn & supported him on the Common Market but no more than that.
As for my hatred of Labour? No it was not because of BAT as I'd put in for redundancy if it occurred. Yes I'm not happy with our two Labour MP's not supporting my fellow workers.
I was a member of the Conservative party but I'm not at this moment.
I was a stand in shop steward who saved the job of a guy who I didn't agree with but I knew why he was not working properly & he promised he would after I got his sacking stopped but then he just went back & did it.
because of this any chance of improvement in my career there was over as the manager never forgot how I made him look stupid.
I'm anti Labour as I remember June Bridle's Labour council. I also remember many companies telling Labour raise NI stamp & we leave but Labour knew better & they left.
I'm against Labour as I believe we've created a society where it's financially better on the dole than going to work.
After listening to Ed Balls on how he'd sort it I'm still in shock.
he said we'll sort it6 by getting them into work?
is he dreaming? there's a hard core that doesn't want work why else would over 3million eastern Europeans come here & find work if there was none to be had?
I never meant to suggest your a racist I think it's a term bandied about to easily now.
many use it against someone who's being patriotic & not against someones colour or ethnic group.
I for one have had Linesman defending what I said yet I'm being branded a racist as well.
I do believe Cllr Williams has lost the plot here! if he'd gone ahead with the tie up between this council & the Island all these cuts wouldn't have happened or been so severe & this lady wouldn't be in this post as it would be covered.
Loosehead, I have no idea why Linesman described you a racist, because I only glance through some posts on this site.

Also I can only speak for myself, so once again I repeat that I have never ever called you a racist and I have never had any reason to suspect that you may be a racist.

Racism whichever direction it comes from is most evil. that is why I do not go around shouting racism all the time, and I share your view that there are too many around doing that. Also yes most of them are also mainly on so called liberal left, who go around shouting racism for reasons only known to them, which in turn hinders the struggle against real racism.

For some of these people slogans are easy and cheap, and fashionable but they hardly ever practice what they preach.

No I do not share your view that unemployed people's life is easy and they don't want to work. Tiny percentage of unemployed people may be abusing the welfare system, vast majority are the victims of economic system.
You aren't reading my posts very well are you!
I said Linesman was defending me not calling me a racist.
As for only a tiny percentage exactly what planet are you on?
it use to be 1million unemployable people but now they reckon the figure is boosted up to 2million people with at least 50% of those who don't want to work.
In this society we have socially engineered a position where those in work are far worse off than those who've never worked in a day of their lives now if you can't see that then I know why I could never vote TUSC or Labour.
Who's going to pay for this lifestyle when either North Sea Oil runs out or when the City Of London no longer brings in the revenue it does now?
Tax the workers?
I thought of you as a guy who might speak the truth but sorry you have a Left Wing mind & really it's days are gone & that ideology has left this country up the creek
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Loosehead, Yes I have described you as mouth piece of Tories, because you defend them and support them on this site. Were you not going to be their candidate? So obviously a member. But I have never ever called you a racist, nor you have given me any reason to suspect.Yes I often disagree with your Conservatism, but have and will defend your right to hold your views, because that is what democracy should be all about.I know the man using ID Hillsidepal. Because some time back you completely misunderstood his and another contributors remarks inviting you to meet as threat (you may recall I told you that time that your suggestion was unfair and way off the mark, because they most certainly are not the people who go around making such threats) this time I simply tried to remind you that it could be the reason why Hillsidepal may not reply to your political trap. I am aware he is able to answer you in great detail on every point, which can't simply be done through simple few line comment. I and some others who may still be members of NuLabour, sometimes do not approve of what local Council is doing. So have often criticised Cllr. Williams. And I have even praised your hero Smith when he may have done something right. That is called fairness. But when was it last time you posted anything other than pro Tory excuses and asking endless questions which if answered in simple yes or no terms could be exploited by you for promoting the image of your self confessed nasty party (words of your Ms May) which according to a Tory MP is led by out of touch arrogant posh boys? Those actions are signs of your biased and subjective thoughts. So it could also be due to that in mind, people like HSP could be doing the right thing by not responding to your loaded mischievous questions in terms you may wish to hear. I hope you won't mind my observation, I have the feeling you are against NuLabour or Labour because of your personal bitterness caused by local MPs having approached BAT's destroying your own job differently than you wished, so your love for Labour has turned into total hate. Your political views are inconsistent, otherwise how could a fan of Tony Benn end up becoming strong supporter of anti union Smith and Moulton? Finally may I wish you and your family all the best wishes for Xmas.[/p][/quote]I respected Tony Benn & supported him on the Common Market but no more than that. As for my hatred of Labour? No it was not because of BAT as I'd put in for redundancy if it occurred. Yes I'm not happy with our two Labour MP's not supporting my fellow workers. I was a member of the Conservative party but I'm not at this moment. I was a stand in shop steward who saved the job of a guy who I didn't agree with but I knew why he was not working properly & he promised he would after I got his sacking stopped but then he just went back & did it. because of this any chance of improvement in my career there was over as the manager never forgot how I made him look stupid. I'm anti Labour as I remember June Bridle's Labour council. I also remember many companies telling Labour raise NI stamp & we leave but Labour knew better & they left. I'm against Labour as I believe we've created a society where it's financially better on the dole than going to work. After listening to Ed Balls on how he'd sort it I'm still in shock. he said we'll sort it6 by getting them into work? is he dreaming? there's a hard core that doesn't want work why else would over 3million eastern Europeans come here & find work if there was none to be had? I never meant to suggest your a racist I think it's a term bandied about to easily now. many use it against someone who's being patriotic & not against someones colour or ethnic group. I for one have had Linesman defending what I said yet I'm being branded a racist as well. I do believe Cllr Williams has lost the plot here! if he'd gone ahead with the tie up between this council & the Island all these cuts wouldn't have happened or been so severe & this lady wouldn't be in this post as it would be covered.[/p][/quote]Loosehead, I have no idea why Linesman described you a racist, because I only glance through some posts on this site. Also I can only speak for myself, so once again I repeat that I have never ever called you a racist and I have never had any reason to suspect that you may be a racist. Racism whichever direction it comes from is most evil. that is why I do not go around shouting racism all the time, and I share your view that there are too many around doing that. Also yes most of them are also mainly on so called liberal left, who go around shouting racism for reasons only known to them, which in turn hinders the struggle against real racism. For some of these people slogans are easy and cheap, and fashionable but they hardly ever practice what they preach. No I do not share your view that unemployed people's life is easy and they don't want to work. Tiny percentage of unemployed people may be abusing the welfare system, vast majority are the victims of economic system.[/p][/quote]You aren't reading my posts very well are you! I said Linesman was defending me not calling me a racist. As for only a tiny percentage exactly what planet are you on? it use to be 1million unemployable people but now they reckon the figure is boosted up to 2million people with at least 50% of those who don't want to work. In this society we have socially engineered a position where those in work are far worse off than those who've never worked in a day of their lives now if you can't see that then I know why I could never vote TUSC or Labour. Who's going to pay for this lifestyle when either North Sea Oil runs out or when the City Of London no longer brings in the revenue it does now? Tax the workers? I thought of you as a guy who might speak the truth but sorry you have a Left Wing mind & really it's days are gone & that ideology has left this country up the creek loosehead

6:27pm Sun 23 Dec 12

lisa whitemore says...

Cerdicjute wrote:
£165K a year? Well worth every penny no doubt and I'm sure she will be sharing some of the pain by taking a fat pay cut?
of course, the same way the council leader has along with his councillors and Mps!!
[quote][p][bold]Cerdicjute[/bold] wrote: £165K a year? Well worth every penny no doubt and I'm sure she will be sharing some of the pain by taking a fat pay cut?[/p][/quote]of course, the same way the council leader has along with his councillors and Mps!! lisa whitemore

8:52am Mon 24 Dec 12

aldermoorboy says...

Tories would have merged services with IOW and saved a fortune, money could have been spent on services and no rise in council tax.
Sea Museum is great.
Happy Xmas to you all regardless of Party and views.
Tories would have merged services with IOW and saved a fortune, money could have been spent on services and no rise in council tax. Sea Museum is great. Happy Xmas to you all regardless of Party and views. aldermoorboy

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