Hundreds turn out for New Forest hunt

The New Forest Hounds gathered outside the Balmer Lawn Hotel in Brockenhurst

The New Forest Hounds gathered outside the Balmer Lawn Hotel in Brockenhurst

First published in News

HUNDREDS turned out today to watch two Hampshire hunts stage their traditional Boxing Day meets.

The New Forest Hounds gathered outside the Balmer Lawn Hotel in Brockenhurst - one of the villages badly hit by the recent flooding - despite fears that the ground would be waterlogged.

Members of the Hursley Hambledon Hunt gathered at the Bucks Head pub in Meonstoke.

It comes on the day that a Cabinet minister signalled that there was no imminent prospect of a repeal on the hunting ban.

 

Hunting with dogs was outlawed seven years ago, which means hunts across the UK now have to chase an artificial scent laid in advance.

Environment Secretary Owen Paterson appeared to rule out bringing the issue before the Commons next year.

“There's only a point having a vote if you're going to win.

“At the moment, it would not be my proposal to bring forward a vote we were going to lose,” he said.

A spokesman for the New Forest Hounds agreed that it would not be worthwhile bringing any repeal in front of Parliament at this time.

“I think that the government should wait to bring forward that sort of legislation until a number of other serious problems have been solved. To bring it forward at the present time would clearly not be a very sensible thing to do,” said Dr Graham Ferris.

Hampshire hunts operate within the law but others - including one in Oxfordshire last week - have been prosecuted for flouting the regulations.

A League Against Cruel Sports spokesman said: “Many hunts in England and Wales show a total disregard for the law and for wildlife.

“They want the Hunting Act repealed so they can travel back to a time when hunting wild animals with dogs and ripping them apart was legal.”

But hunt supporters say hunting with dogs was a vital pest control service. They also claim that alternative methods such as shooting foxes can result in a slow, agonising death unless the animal is killed outright.

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11:35am Wed 26 Dec 12

flatoutchilled says...

What a stupid comment from hunt supporters- saying hunting is the best to kill a fox.

Now lets be sensible. If had to be killed would you rather be shot, or tore apart from dogs? It's a painful and agonising death.

I do really wonder what some people's
thought processes are!!

I agree if a fox does not be killed for vermin and cattle reasons, then shooting is instant death.

We also need to bear in mind, that the majority of farming is intense and lots of the countryside is already disappearing for housing. (For many illegal immigrants.)
What a stupid comment from hunt supporters- saying hunting is the best to kill a fox. Now lets be sensible. If had to be killed would you rather be shot, or tore apart from dogs? It's a painful and agonising death. I do really wonder what some people's thought processes are!! I agree if a fox does not be killed for vermin and cattle reasons, then shooting is instant death. We also need to bear in mind, that the majority of farming is intense and lots of the countryside is already disappearing for housing. (For many illegal immigrants.) flatoutchilled
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12:02pm Wed 26 Dec 12

The Wickham Man says...

flatoutchilled wrote:
What a stupid comment from hunt supporters- saying hunting is the best to kill a fox.

Now lets be sensible. If had to be killed would you rather be shot, or tore apart from dogs? It's a painful and agonising death.

I do really wonder what some people's
thought processes are!!

I agree if a fox does not be killed for vermin and cattle reasons, then shooting is instant death.

We also need to bear in mind, that the majority of farming is intense and lots of the countryside is already disappearing for housing. (For many illegal immigrants.)
No it is not.
1) Do you think the fox just comes to the shooter? No it doesn't, so you have to pay someone to hide SAS like for days on end without moving on the off chance that a maybe fox will pass and maybe it doesn't get the scent and maybe you'll get a clean shot. 2) You blithely assume every shot will kill. It won't. 99 times out of 100 a fox will be wounded and it will run off to die slowly and in agony, possibly over many days, but out of sight out of mind, eh? Remeber all wild animals are fated to die a slow painful death for one reason or another. It's the lucky ones that are killed instantly by cars. That is nature, and nature is cruel. Fox hunting was a way of pursuing the older foxes that were slower and therefore more prone to attack the chicken coops and farmyards. The faster fleeter foxes would get away to feed in less risky environments. A fox kill is not instantaneous but it is a lot quicker than the death awaiting the animal in the wild from starvation, disease or injury. But thanks to the RSPCA that is what now happens. As I said, out of sight out of mind.
[quote][p][bold]flatoutchilled[/bold] wrote: What a stupid comment from hunt supporters- saying hunting is the best to kill a fox. Now lets be sensible. If had to be killed would you rather be shot, or tore apart from dogs? It's a painful and agonising death. I do really wonder what some people's thought processes are!! I agree if a fox does not be killed for vermin and cattle reasons, then shooting is instant death. We also need to bear in mind, that the majority of farming is intense and lots of the countryside is already disappearing for housing. (For many illegal immigrants.)[/p][/quote]No it is not. 1) Do you think the fox just comes to the shooter? No it doesn't, so you have to pay someone to hide SAS like for days on end without moving on the off chance that a maybe fox will pass and maybe it doesn't get the scent and maybe you'll get a clean shot. 2) You blithely assume every shot will kill. It won't. 99 times out of 100 a fox will be wounded and it will run off to die slowly and in agony, possibly over many days, but out of sight out of mind, eh? Remeber all wild animals are fated to die a slow painful death for one reason or another. It's the lucky ones that are killed instantly by cars. That is nature, and nature is cruel. Fox hunting was a way of pursuing the older foxes that were slower and therefore more prone to attack the chicken coops and farmyards. The faster fleeter foxes would get away to feed in less risky environments. A fox kill is not instantaneous but it is a lot quicker than the death awaiting the animal in the wild from starvation, disease or injury. But thanks to the RSPCA that is what now happens. As I said, out of sight out of mind. The Wickham Man
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12:06pm Wed 26 Dec 12

chavfreezone says...

These people are the scum of the earth killing wildlife to satisfy their psychopathic desires. I will never understand what is wrong with them. I have witnessed first hand what really goes on behind the picture postcard scene. Sick beyond belief.
These people are the scum of the earth killing wildlife to satisfy their psychopathic desires. I will never understand what is wrong with them. I have witnessed first hand what really goes on behind the picture postcard scene. Sick beyond belief. chavfreezone
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12:18pm Wed 26 Dec 12

flatoutchilled says...

chavfreezone wrote:
These people are the scum of the earth killing wildlife to satisfy their psychopathic desires. I will never understand what is wrong with them. I have witnessed first hand what really goes on behind the picture postcard scene. Sick beyond belief.
I agree with you!!! It's horrible I came across a fox hunt by accident. It made me physically sick.

Wickham man really hasn't a clue what he is talking about. I have figures to show shooting is far more humane. I mean how can one say tearing a fox to death is quick??
[quote][p][bold]chavfreezone[/bold] wrote: These people are the scum of the earth killing wildlife to satisfy their psychopathic desires. I will never understand what is wrong with them. I have witnessed first hand what really goes on behind the picture postcard scene. Sick beyond belief.[/p][/quote]I agree with you!!! It's horrible I came across a fox hunt by accident. It made me physically sick. Wickham man really hasn't a clue what he is talking about. I have figures to show shooting is far more humane. I mean how can one say tearing a fox to death is quick?? flatoutchilled
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1:59pm Wed 26 Dec 12

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX
DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX SPIKEISLANDTRADER
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2:14pm Wed 26 Dec 12

geoff51 says...

Why is that those that do not understand the countryside and its traditional methods of vermin control are so anti hunting.
Foxes are not fluffy wuffy dog substitutes they are wanton killers who bring destruction and disease to both smaller species and farm animals and their numbers must be controlled.
Hunting is like natural selection, the weaker older animals succumb to the hounds leaving the younger fitter to survive. Not even the best shot can guarantee the clean swift kill of the hounds once the fox is caught.
Those posters and members of the LACS who probably have no concept of the countryside and farming have never probably got nearer to the country than a visit to a petting farm or a car park in the Forest.
Hunting is an important part of our heritage and should be kept as a hunt not a drag meet, we are loosing too much of our past to PC brigade and it needs to be stopped.
The ban on foxhunting was a purely political move by the Labour Party as it was considered a posh sport, why did fishing not get banned? becuase its considred a 'working' mans sport.
The rspca need to stay out of this and stick to resuing animals as they are supposed to.
Why is that those that do not understand the countryside and its traditional methods of vermin control are so anti hunting. Foxes are not fluffy wuffy dog substitutes they are wanton killers who bring destruction and disease to both smaller species and farm animals and their numbers must be controlled. Hunting is like natural selection, the weaker older animals succumb to the hounds leaving the younger fitter to survive. Not even the best shot can guarantee the clean swift kill of the hounds once the fox is caught. Those posters and members of the LACS who probably have no concept of the countryside and farming have never probably got nearer to the country than a visit to a petting farm or a car park in the Forest. Hunting is an important part of our heritage and should be kept as a hunt not a drag meet, we are loosing too much of our past to PC brigade and it needs to be stopped. The ban on foxhunting was a purely political move by the Labour Party as it was considered a posh sport, why did fishing not get banned? becuase its considred a 'working' mans sport. The rspca need to stay out of this and stick to resuing animals as they are supposed to. geoff51
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2:17pm Wed 26 Dec 12

geoff51 says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX
What has it got to do with paedophiles? Foxes arent our children.
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX[/p][/quote]What has it got to do with paedophiles? Foxes arent our children. geoff51
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2:31pm Wed 26 Dec 12

southy says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
flatoutchilled wrote:
What a stupid comment from hunt supporters- saying hunting is the best to kill a fox.

Now lets be sensible. If had to be killed would you rather be shot, or tore apart from dogs? It's a painful and agonising death.

I do really wonder what some people's
thought processes are!!

I agree if a fox does not be killed for vermin and cattle reasons, then shooting is instant death.

We also need to bear in mind, that the majority of farming is intense and lots of the countryside is already disappearing for housing. (For many illegal immigrants.)
No it is not.
1) Do you think the fox just comes to the shooter? No it doesn't, so you have to pay someone to hide SAS like for days on end without moving on the off chance that a maybe fox will pass and maybe it doesn't get the scent and maybe you'll get a clean shot. 2) You blithely assume every shot will kill. It won't. 99 times out of 100 a fox will be wounded and it will run off to die slowly and in agony, possibly over many days, but out of sight out of mind, eh? Remeber all wild animals are fated to die a slow painful death for one reason or another. It's the lucky ones that are killed instantly by cars. That is nature, and nature is cruel. Fox hunting was a way of pursuing the older foxes that were slower and therefore more prone to attack the chicken coops and farmyards. The faster fleeter foxes would get away to feed in less risky environments. A fox kill is not instantaneous but it is a lot quicker than the death awaiting the animal in the wild from starvation, disease or injury. But thanks to the RSPCA that is what now happens. As I said, out of sight out of mind.
Let me point a few corrections there Wickham Man.

1) Do you think the fox just comes to the shooter? No it doesn't, so you have to pay someone to hide SAS like for days on end without moving on the off chance that a maybe fox will pass and maybe it doesn't get the scent and maybe you'll get a clean shot.

Any one that really knows the country side and knows about wild animals and how to hunt, knows that a animal like the Fox is very preditable where it will be and when, and it not an off chance and yes a Fox will come to you if you know what you are doing when hunting, and the only time that its an off-chance meeting is because a Fox might have work an area to death and finding food became hard in one area and then moves to a new area or the Fox is out for mating.
So it would be a single clean shot.

2) You blithely assume every shot will kill. It won't. 99 times out of 100 a fox will be wounded and it will run off to die slowly and in agony, possibly over many days

This only happens when using the wrong shot in a shot-gunn, good hunters will not use a Shot-gunn, they will use a single bullet for a kill, and if by chance it don't kill then that animal is not going to go any where so a second bullet close range will finish it off.
Beinning torn apart by a pack of dogs will take between 5 to 10 mins to die, using a single dog the kill is a lot quicker, a single dog will bowl a animal over and go for the throat all over in less than 5 mins, where as a pack of dogs will grap what ever it can get hold off because of the competion between the other dogs (its like that old type of punishment of Hung Drawn and Quartered, Your hung till you are nearly dead, then stretch and disenbowled, so when they come to quarter you, you are still alive)
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flatoutchilled[/bold] wrote: What a stupid comment from hunt supporters- saying hunting is the best to kill a fox. Now lets be sensible. If had to be killed would you rather be shot, or tore apart from dogs? It's a painful and agonising death. I do really wonder what some people's thought processes are!! I agree if a fox does not be killed for vermin and cattle reasons, then shooting is instant death. We also need to bear in mind, that the majority of farming is intense and lots of the countryside is already disappearing for housing. (For many illegal immigrants.)[/p][/quote]No it is not. 1) Do you think the fox just comes to the shooter? No it doesn't, so you have to pay someone to hide SAS like for days on end without moving on the off chance that a maybe fox will pass and maybe it doesn't get the scent and maybe you'll get a clean shot. 2) You blithely assume every shot will kill. It won't. 99 times out of 100 a fox will be wounded and it will run off to die slowly and in agony, possibly over many days, but out of sight out of mind, eh? Remeber all wild animals are fated to die a slow painful death for one reason or another. It's the lucky ones that are killed instantly by cars. That is nature, and nature is cruel. Fox hunting was a way of pursuing the older foxes that were slower and therefore more prone to attack the chicken coops and farmyards. The faster fleeter foxes would get away to feed in less risky environments. A fox kill is not instantaneous but it is a lot quicker than the death awaiting the animal in the wild from starvation, disease or injury. But thanks to the RSPCA that is what now happens. As I said, out of sight out of mind.[/p][/quote]Let me point a few corrections there Wickham Man. 1) Do you think the fox just comes to the shooter? No it doesn't, so you have to pay someone to hide SAS like for days on end without moving on the off chance that a maybe fox will pass and maybe it doesn't get the scent and maybe you'll get a clean shot. Any one that really knows the country side and knows about wild animals and how to hunt, knows that a animal like the Fox is very preditable where it will be and when, and it not an off chance and yes a Fox will come to you if you know what you are doing when hunting, and the only time that its an off-chance meeting is because a Fox might have work an area to death and finding food became hard in one area and then moves to a new area or the Fox is out for mating. So it would be a single clean shot. 2) You blithely assume every shot will kill. It won't. 99 times out of 100 a fox will be wounded and it will run off to die slowly and in agony, possibly over many days This only happens when using the wrong shot in a shot-gunn, good hunters will not use a Shot-gunn, they will use a single bullet for a kill, and if by chance it don't kill then that animal is not going to go any where so a second bullet close range will finish it off. Beinning torn apart by a pack of dogs will take between 5 to 10 mins to die, using a single dog the kill is a lot quicker, a single dog will bowl a animal over and go for the throat all over in less than 5 mins, where as a pack of dogs will grap what ever it can get hold off because of the competion between the other dogs (its like that old type of punishment of Hung Drawn and Quartered, Your hung till you are nearly dead, then stretch and disenbowled, so when they come to quarter you, you are still alive) southy
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2:45pm Wed 26 Dec 12

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

geoff51 wrote:
SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX
What has it got to do with paedophiles? Foxes arent our children.
DONT be a total To ***er. VERMIN not bloody kids you ARSE
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX[/p][/quote]What has it got to do with paedophiles? Foxes arent our children.[/p][/quote]DONT be a total To ***er. VERMIN not bloody kids you ARSE SPIKEISLANDTRADER
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3:12pm Wed 26 Dec 12

The Wickham Man says...

flatoutchilled wrote:
chavfreezone wrote:
These people are the scum of the earth killing wildlife to satisfy their psychopathic desires. I will never understand what is wrong with them. I have witnessed first hand what really goes on behind the picture postcard scene. Sick beyond belief.
I agree with you!!! It's horrible I came across a fox hunt by accident. It made me physically sick.

Wickham man really hasn't a clue what he is talking about. I have figures to show shooting is far more humane. I mean how can one say tearing a fox to death is quick??
Chavfree zone is just another low IQ class warrior, not motivated by animal welfare but by hatred for a group of people he knows nothing about, so I'll dismiss him as unworthy of consideration. But "Sick beyond belief" eh? Almost all fox kills occurred well away from anyone except those who choose to be there, so Flatoutchilled your "accidentally" being there means you are either lying or you've been watching animal rights videos on Youtube so improve your story will you? A fox killed by a pack has a quicker death than a fox dying naturally in the countryside as I explained so again, engage your brain and do your own thinking. You do not have "figures to prove it" - you have simply read someone else's nonsensical claims and regurgitated them. I have told you why shooting is impractical. Are you going to pay someone £500 a day to wait in the cold possibly for days on end around your farm where your family live, hiding with live high velicity ammunition and maybe no prospect of even seeing a fox bu every prospect of hitting a family member by richochet ar accident? And who is going to pay - you? the RSPCA? PETA? Again think about it. THe truth is you like to imagine shooting as a nice easy clean solution but it is none of those things and if you stopped and actually thought it through you'd realise why. Foxes are vermin, but like most townies I'm sure that though you are quite happy to see rats and mice poisoned or trapped, the fox has such a lovely fluffy tail we have to treat him differently don't we.
When you've seen what a fox has done to a chicken coop or a brood of farm kittens or ducklings you pretty soon forget the sentimentality and grow up.
[quote][p][bold]flatoutchilled[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chavfreezone[/bold] wrote: These people are the scum of the earth killing wildlife to satisfy their psychopathic desires. I will never understand what is wrong with them. I have witnessed first hand what really goes on behind the picture postcard scene. Sick beyond belief.[/p][/quote]I agree with you!!! It's horrible I came across a fox hunt by accident. It made me physically sick. Wickham man really hasn't a clue what he is talking about. I have figures to show shooting is far more humane. I mean how can one say tearing a fox to death is quick??[/p][/quote]Chavfree zone is just another low IQ class warrior, not motivated by animal welfare but by hatred for a group of people he knows nothing about, so I'll dismiss him as unworthy of consideration. But "Sick beyond belief" eh? Almost all fox kills occurred well away from anyone except those who choose to be there, so Flatoutchilled your "accidentally" being there means you are either lying or you've been watching animal rights videos on Youtube so improve your story will you? A fox killed by a pack has a quicker death than a fox dying naturally in the countryside as I explained so again, engage your brain and do your own thinking. You do not have "figures to prove it" - you have simply read someone else's nonsensical claims and regurgitated them. I have told you why shooting is impractical. Are you going to pay someone £500 a day to wait in the cold possibly for days on end around your farm where your family live, hiding with live high velicity ammunition and maybe no prospect of even seeing a fox bu every prospect of hitting a family member by richochet ar accident? And who is going to pay - you? the RSPCA? PETA? Again think about it. THe truth is you like to imagine shooting as a nice easy clean solution but it is none of those things and if you stopped and actually thought it through you'd realise why. Foxes are vermin, but like most townies I'm sure that though you are quite happy to see rats and mice poisoned or trapped, the fox has such a lovely fluffy tail we have to treat him differently don't we. When you've seen what a fox has done to a chicken coop or a brood of farm kittens or ducklings you pretty soon forget the sentimentality and grow up. The Wickham Man
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3:19pm Wed 26 Dec 12

The Wickham Man says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX
Jesus the upper case lettering is out. You were out at 4am because you hate the former foxhunters, not because you love foxes and your idiotic logic proves it. Are you even man enough to admit that? No thought not. Luckily your stupidity is as transparent as a window. Skulking around at no risk to yourself is more in your line isn't it tather than going after badger baiters or traveller dog fighters, Bet you've never done that have you. I wonder why? You aren't really a man at all.
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX[/p][/quote]Jesus the upper case lettering is out. You were out at 4am because you hate the former foxhunters, not because you love foxes and your idiotic logic proves it. Are you even man enough to admit that? No thought not. Luckily your stupidity is as transparent as a window. Skulking around at no risk to yourself is more in your line isn't it tather than going after badger baiters or traveller dog fighters, Bet you've never done that have you. I wonder why? You aren't really a man at all. The Wickham Man
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3:37pm Wed 26 Dec 12

flatoutchilled says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX
Jesus the upper case lettering is out. You were out at 4am because you hate the former foxhunters, not because you love foxes and your idiotic logic proves it. Are you even man enough to admit that? No thought not. Luckily your stupidity is as transparent as a window. Skulking around at no risk to yourself is more in your line isn't it tather than going after badger baiters or traveller dog fighters, Bet you've never done that have you. I wonder why? You aren't really a man at all.
Wickham man, I appreciate we have different views on this. However are you telling me that you agree with Badger baiting?

Please don't think I'm a thick townie. I am well educated person and I am a working professional.

If you disagree with shooting, don't you think maybe poison is less barbaric?

I hope you can appreciate that many people are against fox hunting and let's be honest it is cruel.

Animal welfare rules were brought in for a reason. For example, bear baiting would still be legal, **** fighting, dog fighting, in humane ways of killing animals for food.

I appreciate foxes do kill chickens etc - I just feel that in the year 2012- there has to be better ways of killing a fox that tearing it apart. The reason why people don't want fox hunting to be banned is because the humans enjoy it!!
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX[/p][/quote]Jesus the upper case lettering is out. You were out at 4am because you hate the former foxhunters, not because you love foxes and your idiotic logic proves it. Are you even man enough to admit that? No thought not. Luckily your stupidity is as transparent as a window. Skulking around at no risk to yourself is more in your line isn't it tather than going after badger baiters or traveller dog fighters, Bet you've never done that have you. I wonder why? You aren't really a man at all.[/p][/quote]Wickham man, I appreciate we have different views on this. However are you telling me that you agree with Badger baiting? Please don't think I'm a thick townie. I am well educated person and I am a working professional. If you disagree with shooting, don't you think maybe poison is less barbaric? I hope you can appreciate that many people are against fox hunting and let's be honest it is cruel. Animal welfare rules were brought in for a reason. For example, bear baiting would still be legal, **** fighting, dog fighting, in humane ways of killing animals for food. I appreciate foxes do kill chickens etc - I just feel that in the year 2012- there has to be better ways of killing a fox that tearing it apart. The reason why people don't want fox hunting to be banned is because the humans enjoy it!! flatoutchilled
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3:37pm Wed 26 Dec 12

forest tony says...

Ironic that Owen Patterson, is not preparing to bring the hunt issue back to the commons this year, presume he is going to protect the bad science of badger culling first! I have always been anti killing for no reason,(once upon a time, everything killed in a hunt was used,while so called pest numbers were controlled).The hunt had its own rules and like anything in life bad took over and the rules were ignored it became cruel and barbaric, with acts such as digging out, terrier men, blocking up holes and even bagging foxes in neighbouring counties and setting them free in unknown territory for a hunt! Sport!...... poppycock it had become downright cruel and in many cases illegal, it deserved the ban and sadly should stay in force, its another tradition destroyed by a few thoughtless individuals, that the hunts could well have controlled! Doubt now the hunt ban will ever be repealed as the government has proved wholeheartedly that it has no interest in the care of the countryside or respect for rural communities or knowledge thereof!
Ironic that Owen Patterson, is not preparing to bring the hunt issue back to the commons this year, presume he is going to protect the bad science of badger culling first! I have always been anti killing for no reason,(once upon a time, everything killed in a hunt was used,while so called pest numbers were controlled).The hunt had its own rules and like anything in life bad took over and the rules were ignored it became cruel and barbaric, with acts such as digging out, terrier men, blocking up holes and even bagging foxes in neighbouring counties and setting them free in unknown territory for a hunt! Sport!...... poppycock it had become downright cruel and in many cases illegal, it deserved the ban and sadly should stay in force, its another tradition destroyed by a few thoughtless individuals, that the hunts could well have controlled! Doubt now the hunt ban will ever be repealed as the government has proved wholeheartedly that it has no interest in the care of the countryside or respect for rural communities or knowledge thereof! forest tony
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3:51pm Wed 26 Dec 12

geoff51 says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX
What has it got to do with paedophiles? Foxes arent our children.
DONT be a total To ***er. VERMIN not bloody kids you ARSE
When you resort to insults you have lost respect and the arguements
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX[/p][/quote]What has it got to do with paedophiles? Foxes arent our children.[/p][/quote]DONT be a total To ***er. VERMIN not bloody kids you ARSE[/p][/quote]When you resort to insults you have lost respect and the arguements geoff51
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4:12pm Wed 26 Dec 12

G-man1 says...

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of hunting, I`ve just seen a clip on the news of hunt supporters attacking police officers outside Westminster at the demonstrations a few years ago when the ban came in. If those scenes had involved hunt saboteurs, students, left wingers etc we`d have the usual suspects on here banging on about chavs, the workshy etc.

If I`m honest, although I think hunting is, at best innefficient pest control and at worst, not far of sadism-if people want to do it then let them- there are more important things to be worried about. But hunt supporters shouldn`t be so hypocritical when they defend their hobby. As the TV pictures outside Westminster have shown- some of them are basically mindless thugs.
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of hunting, I`ve just seen a clip on the news of hunt supporters attacking police officers outside Westminster at the demonstrations a few years ago when the ban came in. If those scenes had involved hunt saboteurs, students, left wingers etc we`d have the usual suspects on here banging on about chavs, the workshy etc. If I`m honest, although I think hunting is, at best innefficient pest control and at worst, not far of sadism-if people want to do it then let them- there are more important things to be worried about. But hunt supporters shouldn`t be so hypocritical when they defend their hobby. As the TV pictures outside Westminster have shown- some of them are basically mindless thugs. G-man1
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4:24pm Wed 26 Dec 12

flatoutchilled says...

G-man1 wrote:
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of hunting, I`ve just seen a clip on the news of hunt supporters attacking police officers outside Westminster at the demonstrations a few years ago when the ban came in. If those scenes had involved hunt saboteurs, students, left wingers etc we`d have the usual suspects on here banging on about chavs, the workshy etc.

If I`m honest, although I think hunting is, at best innefficient pest control and at worst, not far of sadism-if people want to do it then let them- there are more important things to be worried about. But hunt supporters shouldn`t be so hypocritical when they defend their hobby. As the TV pictures outside Westminster have shown- some of them are basically mindless thugs.
I couldn't agree anymore Gman. The scenes were a disgrace!
[quote][p][bold]G-man1[/bold] wrote: Regardless of the rights and wrongs of hunting, I`ve just seen a clip on the news of hunt supporters attacking police officers outside Westminster at the demonstrations a few years ago when the ban came in. If those scenes had involved hunt saboteurs, students, left wingers etc we`d have the usual suspects on here banging on about chavs, the workshy etc. If I`m honest, although I think hunting is, at best innefficient pest control and at worst, not far of sadism-if people want to do it then let them- there are more important things to be worried about. But hunt supporters shouldn`t be so hypocritical when they defend their hobby. As the TV pictures outside Westminster have shown- some of them are basically mindless thugs.[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree anymore Gman. The scenes were a disgrace! flatoutchilled
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4:39pm Wed 26 Dec 12

good-gosh says...

Class hysteria is far more entertaining than fox hunting.
Class hysteria is far more entertaining than fox hunting. good-gosh
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4:58pm Wed 26 Dec 12

G-man1 says...

I`m middle class and proud of it. I just don`t like hypocrits- regardless of their class. There are many on both sides of the argument to be fair.

That aside, throwing a metal barrier at a police officer is undefensible whether you are at a hunt supporters protest or a G20 protest. At least G20 anarchists have some basic level of honesty ing their violence rather than hunt supporters' limp suggestion that they were forced into violence in an attempt to protect their "historical way of life". By that logic we should all be on the streets bottling police in an attempt to bring back witch trials and slavery
I`m middle class and proud of it. I just don`t like hypocrits- regardless of their class. There are many on both sides of the argument to be fair. That aside, throwing a metal barrier at a police officer is undefensible whether you are at a hunt supporters protest or a G20 protest. At least G20 anarchists have some basic level of honesty ing their violence rather than hunt supporters' limp suggestion that they were forced into violence in an attempt to protect their "historical way of life". By that logic we should all be on the streets bottling police in an attempt to bring back witch trials and slavery G-man1
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5:16pm Wed 26 Dec 12

The Wickham Man says...

flatoutchilled wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX
Jesus the upper case lettering is out. You were out at 4am because you hate the former foxhunters, not because you love foxes and your idiotic logic proves it. Are you even man enough to admit that? No thought not. Luckily your stupidity is as transparent as a window. Skulking around at no risk to yourself is more in your line isn't it tather than going after badger baiters or traveller dog fighters, Bet you've never done that have you. I wonder why? You aren't really a man at all.
Wickham man, I appreciate we have different views on this. However are you telling me that you agree with Badger baiting?

Please don't think I'm a thick townie. I am well educated person and I am a working professional.

If you disagree with shooting, don't you think maybe poison is less barbaric?

I hope you can appreciate that many people are against fox hunting and let's be honest it is cruel.

Animal welfare rules were brought in for a reason. For example, bear baiting would still be legal, **** fighting, dog fighting, in humane ways of killing animals for food.

I appreciate foxes do kill chickens etc - I just feel that in the year 2012- there has to be better ways of killing a fox that tearing it apart. The reason why people don't want fox hunting to be banned is because the humans enjoy it!!
I appreciate your sensible moderate post Flatoutchilled. I do think poisoning is inhumane, and humane trapping followed by a shotgun is perhaps a more palatable alternative. Hunting is not nice when you see the endgame, but only because it is so visible. How many people have seen the state of animals going into a factory abbatoir? Their fear and distress is as palpable as is their fate, with no hope of a reprieve. Yet how many "fox lovers" plus the moronic class warriors like chavfreezone have sat down to a nice turkey or pork roast at christmas and not given the animal a second thought?
As to your final point, most hunt riders enjoy the ride and the chase above all and the fox simple provides the reason and the route. If it gets away it is not a wasted day. "Enjoyment" and "satisfaction" are very different things - though of course it suits the purpose of class warriors and extremists to treat them as the same.
[quote][p][bold]flatoutchilled[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX[/p][/quote]Jesus the upper case lettering is out. You were out at 4am because you hate the former foxhunters, not because you love foxes and your idiotic logic proves it. Are you even man enough to admit that? No thought not. Luckily your stupidity is as transparent as a window. Skulking around at no risk to yourself is more in your line isn't it tather than going after badger baiters or traveller dog fighters, Bet you've never done that have you. I wonder why? You aren't really a man at all.[/p][/quote]Wickham man, I appreciate we have different views on this. However are you telling me that you agree with Badger baiting? Please don't think I'm a thick townie. I am well educated person and I am a working professional. If you disagree with shooting, don't you think maybe poison is less barbaric? I hope you can appreciate that many people are against fox hunting and let's be honest it is cruel. Animal welfare rules were brought in for a reason. For example, bear baiting would still be legal, **** fighting, dog fighting, in humane ways of killing animals for food. I appreciate foxes do kill chickens etc - I just feel that in the year 2012- there has to be better ways of killing a fox that tearing it apart. The reason why people don't want fox hunting to be banned is because the humans enjoy it!![/p][/quote]I appreciate your sensible moderate post Flatoutchilled. I do think poisoning is inhumane, and humane trapping followed by a shotgun is perhaps a more palatable alternative. Hunting is not nice when you see the endgame, but only because it is so visible. How many people have seen the state of animals going into a factory abbatoir? Their fear and distress is as palpable as is their fate, with no hope of a reprieve. Yet how many "fox lovers" plus the moronic class warriors like chavfreezone have sat down to a nice turkey or pork roast at christmas and not given the animal a second thought? As to your final point, most hunt riders enjoy the ride and the chase above all and the fox simple provides the reason and the route. If it gets away it is not a wasted day. "Enjoyment" and "satisfaction" are very different things - though of course it suits the purpose of class warriors and extremists to treat them as the same. The Wickham Man
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5:20pm Wed 26 Dec 12

geoff51 says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
flatoutchilled wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX
Jesus the upper case lettering is out. You were out at 4am because you hate the former foxhunters, not because you love foxes and your idiotic logic proves it. Are you even man enough to admit that? No thought not. Luckily your stupidity is as transparent as a window. Skulking around at no risk to yourself is more in your line isn't it tather than going after badger baiters or traveller dog fighters, Bet you've never done that have you. I wonder why? You aren't really a man at all.
Wickham man, I appreciate we have different views on this. However are you telling me that you agree with Badger baiting?

Please don't think I'm a thick townie. I am well educated person and I am a working professional.

If you disagree with shooting, don't you think maybe poison is less barbaric?

I hope you can appreciate that many people are against fox hunting and let's be honest it is cruel.

Animal welfare rules were brought in for a reason. For example, bear baiting would still be legal, **** fighting, dog fighting, in humane ways of killing animals for food.

I appreciate foxes do kill chickens etc - I just feel that in the year 2012- there has to be better ways of killing a fox that tearing it apart. The reason why people don't want fox hunting to be banned is because the humans enjoy it!!
I appreciate your sensible moderate post Flatoutchilled. I do think poisoning is inhumane, and humane trapping followed by a shotgun is perhaps a more palatable alternative. Hunting is not nice when you see the endgame, but only because it is so visible. How many people have seen the state of animals going into a factory abbatoir? Their fear and distress is as palpable as is their fate, with no hope of a reprieve. Yet how many "fox lovers" plus the moronic class warriors like chavfreezone have sat down to a nice turkey or pork roast at christmas and not given the animal a second thought?
As to your final point, most hunt riders enjoy the ride and the chase above all and the fox simple provides the reason and the route. If it gets away it is not a wasted day. "Enjoyment" and "satisfaction" are very different things - though of course it suits the purpose of class warriors and extremists to treat them as the same.
Well put!
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flatoutchilled[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: DO your bit to STOP the barbaric KILLING they call SPORT . its easy to sit back and do nothing . I was out at ALL the local hunt areas 04.00 and hopefully the HUNTs will be disrupted by our actions . We are no allowed to kill pedophile s , who are a worse vermin than any FOX[/p][/quote]Jesus the upper case lettering is out. You were out at 4am because you hate the former foxhunters, not because you love foxes and your idiotic logic proves it. Are you even man enough to admit that? No thought not. Luckily your stupidity is as transparent as a window. Skulking around at no risk to yourself is more in your line isn't it tather than going after badger baiters or traveller dog fighters, Bet you've never done that have you. I wonder why? You aren't really a man at all.[/p][/quote]Wickham man, I appreciate we have different views on this. However are you telling me that you agree with Badger baiting? Please don't think I'm a thick townie. I am well educated person and I am a working professional. If you disagree with shooting, don't you think maybe poison is less barbaric? I hope you can appreciate that many people are against fox hunting and let's be honest it is cruel. Animal welfare rules were brought in for a reason. For example, bear baiting would still be legal, **** fighting, dog fighting, in humane ways of killing animals for food. I appreciate foxes do kill chickens etc - I just feel that in the year 2012- there has to be better ways of killing a fox that tearing it apart. The reason why people don't want fox hunting to be banned is because the humans enjoy it!![/p][/quote]I appreciate your sensible moderate post Flatoutchilled. I do think poisoning is inhumane, and humane trapping followed by a shotgun is perhaps a more palatable alternative. Hunting is not nice when you see the endgame, but only because it is so visible. How many people have seen the state of animals going into a factory abbatoir? Their fear and distress is as palpable as is their fate, with no hope of a reprieve. Yet how many "fox lovers" plus the moronic class warriors like chavfreezone have sat down to a nice turkey or pork roast at christmas and not given the animal a second thought? As to your final point, most hunt riders enjoy the ride and the chase above all and the fox simple provides the reason and the route. If it gets away it is not a wasted day. "Enjoyment" and "satisfaction" are very different things - though of course it suits the purpose of class warriors and extremists to treat them as the same.[/p][/quote]Well put! geoff51
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5:43pm Wed 26 Dec 12

bobbyboy says...

Having just browsed down the comments being part of Hampshire all my life.
How many chicken coups are in the new forest?
how many chicken coups are left in hampshire apart from the factory farms run by the Big supermarkets i know i've visited them.
So where does the fox go to feed i tell you where My Front Garden i Feed them every night they dont attack Cats quite the reverse is true watch my own cat on flickr for proof.
They actualy kill local vermin like Rats, Squirrels (when sick) Birds (when sick) and slugs and worms and discarded fruit.
So why do The old Crusties need to chase them around with dogs,, get on your own two feet if it makes you feel better sickos at least the animal has an even chance to Survive The Same as you. I know your defence will be to pick up every wrong piece of gramma and spelling mistake Ive proberly made but hey I'm A Decent Human and not one who's above my station. By the way i've served Queen and Country and Killing Aint that nice realy do it face to face if you have the guts to do so and not from the top of a old nag thats the horse not her in doors.
Leave and let live Humans live there way Animals live there way That's True Nature. Fox Hunting Bans Should Stay and Badgers ,Deers and all other wild criters should be left to roam free WE Humans are not GOD.
Having just browsed down the comments being part of Hampshire all my life. How many chicken coups are in the new forest? how many chicken coups are left in hampshire apart from the factory farms run by the Big supermarkets i know i've visited them. So where does the fox go to feed i tell you where My Front Garden i Feed them every night they dont attack Cats quite the reverse is true watch my own cat on flickr for proof. They actualy kill local vermin like Rats, Squirrels (when sick) Birds (when sick) and slugs and worms and discarded fruit. So why do The old Crusties need to chase them around with dogs,, get on your own two feet if it makes you feel better sickos at least the animal has an even chance to Survive The Same as you. I know your defence will be to pick up every wrong piece of gramma and spelling mistake Ive proberly made but hey I'm A Decent Human and not one who's above my station. By the way i've served Queen and Country and Killing Aint that nice realy do it face to face if you have the guts to do so and not from the top of a old nag thats the horse not her in doors. Leave and let live Humans live there way Animals live there way That's True Nature. Fox Hunting Bans Should Stay and Badgers ,Deers and all other wild criters should be left to roam free WE Humans are not GOD. bobbyboy
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5:48pm Wed 26 Dec 12

adeyis says...

Carry on with the ban I have never had such good sport with my terriers and gun
Carry on with the ban I have never had such good sport with my terriers and gun adeyis
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5:59pm Wed 26 Dec 12

Norwegian Saint says...

By all means put on the silly dresses and have a jolly ride in the beautiful forest with your little doggies beside you....
So why do you feel killing a fox makes it better?
Digging it up when it's found sanctuary?
So you can put a foxes blood on your faces?
If... and a big IF the foxes are a pest then capture them humanely and then the job can be done.

So... Hunters, go and have fun... but you don't need to kill an animal!
By all means put on the silly dresses and have a jolly ride in the beautiful forest with your little doggies beside you.... So why do you feel killing a fox makes it better? Digging it up when it's found sanctuary? So you can put a foxes blood on your faces? If... and a big IF the foxes are a pest then capture them humanely and then the job can be done. So... Hunters, go and have fun... but you don't need to kill an animal! Norwegian Saint
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6:31pm Wed 26 Dec 12

Blabbermouth says...

Pest control, my eye. That argument nevers sticks because why did these hunters INTRODUCE the fox to the Isle of Wight if they were merely doing us a service of 'pest controlling'?
Btw I was brought up in the New Forest and most of my relatives were market gardeners so I don't buy the townies not understanding either.
Pest control, my eye. That argument nevers sticks because why did these hunters INTRODUCE the fox to the Isle of Wight if they were merely doing us a service of 'pest controlling'? Btw I was brought up in the New Forest and most of my relatives were market gardeners so I don't buy the townies not understanding either. Blabbermouth
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7:52pm Wed 26 Dec 12

GoonerEIE says...

adeyis wrote:
Carry on with the ban I have never had such good sport with my terriers and gun
You big hard man adeyis, killing animals for fun & hiding behind a gun & dogs. Just about sums up the hunting fraternity!
[quote][p][bold]adeyis[/bold] wrote: Carry on with the ban I have never had such good sport with my terriers and gun[/p][/quote]You big hard man adeyis, killing animals for fun & hiding behind a gun & dogs. Just about sums up the hunting fraternity! GoonerEIE
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8:24pm Wed 26 Dec 12

IronLady2010 says...

Some very interesting comments today!

I'm on the fence on this topic as its a long standing tradition, yet on the other hand some say it's cruel.

Taking it one step further, fishing is also cruel, catching a creature on a hook, where do we draw the line?

It's a big cruel world out there, crocodiles will attack humans, we should bring in a new Law to stop the crocs attacking? They wouldn't listen either!
Some very interesting comments today! I'm on the fence on this topic as its a long standing tradition, yet on the other hand some say it's cruel. Taking it one step further, fishing is also cruel, catching a creature on a hook, where do we draw the line? It's a big cruel world out there, crocodiles will attack humans, we should bring in a new Law to stop the crocs attacking? They wouldn't listen either! IronLady2010
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8:27pm Wed 26 Dec 12

adeyis says...

Gooner you fool if the local hunt was allowed buy law to do what they done very well , I would not have to do it my self ...... Unless of course YOU have a better sugestion
Gooner you fool if the local hunt was allowed buy law to do what they done very well , I would not have to do it my self ...... Unless of course YOU have a better sugestion adeyis
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9:12pm Wed 26 Dec 12

StMarysSaint says...

These inbred so called countryside people are unable to feel compassion for any living creature, they are sick Sadomasochistic dredges of society, that will never understand that true love is to be compassionate to all living creatures, full stop.
These inbred so called countryside people are unable to feel compassion for any living creature, they are sick Sadomasochistic dredges of society, that will never understand that true love is to be compassionate to all living creatures, full stop. StMarysSaint
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10:10pm Wed 26 Dec 12

IronLady2010 says...

StMarysSaint wrote:
These inbred so called countryside people are unable to feel compassion for any living creature, they are sick Sadomasochistic dredges of society, that will never understand that true love is to be compassionate to all living creatures, full stop.
The point is, those Country folk possibly think us City folk are strange?

As I said previously, I'm on the fence when it comes to fox hunting. Any living being will kill to feed itself or protect its territory.
[quote][p][bold]StMarysSaint[/bold] wrote: These inbred so called countryside people are unable to feel compassion for any living creature, they are sick Sadomasochistic dredges of society, that will never understand that true love is to be compassionate to all living creatures, full stop.[/p][/quote]The point is, those Country folk possibly think us City folk are strange? As I said previously, I'm on the fence when it comes to fox hunting. Any living being will kill to feed itself or protect its territory. IronLady2010
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10:54pm Wed 26 Dec 12

kingnotail says...

geoff51 wrote:
Why is that those that do not understand the countryside and its traditional methods of vermin control are so anti hunting.
Foxes are not fluffy wuffy dog substitutes they are wanton killers who bring destruction and disease to both smaller species and farm animals and their numbers must be controlled.
Hunting is like natural selection, the weaker older animals succumb to the hounds leaving the younger fitter to survive. Not even the best shot can guarantee the clean swift kill of the hounds once the fox is caught.
Those posters and members of the LACS who probably have no concept of the countryside and farming have never probably got nearer to the country than a visit to a petting farm or a car park in the Forest.
Hunting is an important part of our heritage and should be kept as a hunt not a drag meet, we are loosing too much of our past to PC brigade and it needs to be stopped.
The ban on foxhunting was a purely political move by the Labour Party as it was considered a posh sport, why did fishing not get banned? becuase its considred a 'working' mans sport.
The rspca need to stay out of this and stick to resuing animals as they are supposed to.
Same old nonsense, the awful city folk don't understand the countryside and its ways. I grew up in the countryside, and while there are a few good people there, most are awful, inbred feudal types who dream of a Britain which never even really existed, where the little people knew their place and never spoke back against their masters. Well those days are long dead, and they days of the countryfolk are numbered. Sorry that most people today are civilised enough not to get a h**d-on from torturing a small animal to death.

*losing
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Why is that those that do not understand the countryside and its traditional methods of vermin control are so anti hunting. Foxes are not fluffy wuffy dog substitutes they are wanton killers who bring destruction and disease to both smaller species and farm animals and their numbers must be controlled. Hunting is like natural selection, the weaker older animals succumb to the hounds leaving the younger fitter to survive. Not even the best shot can guarantee the clean swift kill of the hounds once the fox is caught. Those posters and members of the LACS who probably have no concept of the countryside and farming have never probably got nearer to the country than a visit to a petting farm or a car park in the Forest. Hunting is an important part of our heritage and should be kept as a hunt not a drag meet, we are loosing too much of our past to PC brigade and it needs to be stopped. The ban on foxhunting was a purely political move by the Labour Party as it was considered a posh sport, why did fishing not get banned? becuase its considred a 'working' mans sport. The rspca need to stay out of this and stick to resuing animals as they are supposed to.[/p][/quote]Same old nonsense, the awful city folk don't understand the countryside and its ways. I grew up in the countryside, and while there are a few good people there, most are awful, inbred feudal types who dream of a Britain which never even really existed, where the little people knew their place and never spoke back against their masters. Well those days are long dead, and they days of the countryfolk are numbered. Sorry that most people today are civilised enough not to get a h**d-on from torturing a small animal to death. *losing kingnotail
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10:59pm Wed 26 Dec 12

IronLady2010 says...

kingnotail wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Why is that those that do not understand the countryside and its traditional methods of vermin control are so anti hunting.
Foxes are not fluffy wuffy dog substitutes they are wanton killers who bring destruction and disease to both smaller species and farm animals and their numbers must be controlled.
Hunting is like natural selection, the weaker older animals succumb to the hounds leaving the younger fitter to survive. Not even the best shot can guarantee the clean swift kill of the hounds once the fox is caught.
Those posters and members of the LACS who probably have no concept of the countryside and farming have never probably got nearer to the country than a visit to a petting farm or a car park in the Forest.
Hunting is an important part of our heritage and should be kept as a hunt not a drag meet, we are loosing too much of our past to PC brigade and it needs to be stopped.
The ban on foxhunting was a purely political move by the Labour Party as it was considered a posh sport, why did fishing not get banned? becuase its considred a 'working' mans sport.
The rspca need to stay out of this and stick to resuing animals as they are supposed to.
Same old nonsense, the awful city folk don't understand the countryside and its ways. I grew up in the countryside, and while there are a few good people there, most are awful, inbred feudal types who dream of a Britain which never even really existed, where the little people knew their place and never spoke back against their masters. Well those days are long dead, and they days of the countryfolk are numbered. Sorry that most people today are civilised enough not to get a h**d-on from torturing a small animal to death.

*losing
Blimey, you hate the Countryside, hate Southampton, do you like anything in life?
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Why is that those that do not understand the countryside and its traditional methods of vermin control are so anti hunting. Foxes are not fluffy wuffy dog substitutes they are wanton killers who bring destruction and disease to both smaller species and farm animals and their numbers must be controlled. Hunting is like natural selection, the weaker older animals succumb to the hounds leaving the younger fitter to survive. Not even the best shot can guarantee the clean swift kill of the hounds once the fox is caught. Those posters and members of the LACS who probably have no concept of the countryside and farming have never probably got nearer to the country than a visit to a petting farm or a car park in the Forest. Hunting is an important part of our heritage and should be kept as a hunt not a drag meet, we are loosing too much of our past to PC brigade and it needs to be stopped. The ban on foxhunting was a purely political move by the Labour Party as it was considered a posh sport, why did fishing not get banned? becuase its considred a 'working' mans sport. The rspca need to stay out of this and stick to resuing animals as they are supposed to.[/p][/quote]Same old nonsense, the awful city folk don't understand the countryside and its ways. I grew up in the countryside, and while there are a few good people there, most are awful, inbred feudal types who dream of a Britain which never even really existed, where the little people knew their place and never spoke back against their masters. Well those days are long dead, and they days of the countryfolk are numbered. Sorry that most people today are civilised enough not to get a h**d-on from torturing a small animal to death. *losing[/p][/quote]Blimey, you hate the Countryside, hate Southampton, do you like anything in life? IronLady2010
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11:27pm Wed 26 Dec 12

ToastyTea says...

these people are utter scum and I'm surprised you have given them free promotion, they deserve to be ripped apart like the foxes they kill.
these people are utter scum and I'm surprised you have given them free promotion, they deserve to be ripped apart like the foxes they kill. ToastyTea
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12:51am Thu 27 Dec 12

IronLady2010 says...

We can debate all day and night over who is right or wrong, whilst we are debating think about those cats and dogs whose owners beat them, don't forget the flies we kill whilst driving!!

The Rat poison we put down is designed to cause a slow death, yet this is accepted.

I saved a Turkey this Christmas, as I didn't eat any!
We can debate all day and night over who is right or wrong, whilst we are debating think about those cats and dogs whose owners beat them, don't forget the flies we kill whilst driving!! The Rat poison we put down is designed to cause a slow death, yet this is accepted. I saved a Turkey this Christmas, as I didn't eat any! IronLady2010
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2:30am Thu 27 Dec 12

ToastyTea says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
We can debate all day and night over who is right or wrong, whilst we are debating think about those cats and dogs whose owners beat them, don't forget the flies we kill whilst driving!!

The Rat poison we put down is designed to cause a slow death, yet this is accepted.

I saved a Turkey this Christmas, as I didn't eat any!
shutup idiot, if you are a lady as your nickname suggests then I bet you look like a man.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: We can debate all day and night over who is right or wrong, whilst we are debating think about those cats and dogs whose owners beat them, don't forget the flies we kill whilst driving!! The Rat poison we put down is designed to cause a slow death, yet this is accepted. I saved a Turkey this Christmas, as I didn't eat any![/p][/quote]shutup idiot, if you are a lady as your nickname suggests then I bet you look like a man. ToastyTea
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8:25am Thu 27 Dec 12

The Wickham Man says...

StMarysSaint wrote:
These inbred so called countryside people are unable to feel compassion for any living creature, they are sick Sadomasochistic dredges of society, that will never understand that true love is to be compassionate to all living creatures, full stop.
Isn't it funny all these people who seem to hate blood sports yet describe in detail how happy they'd be to see completely blameless people torn to pieces for doing nothing more than going for a ride.But we all know it's nothing to do with foxes is it St Marys. It's all about envy. You see the hunt as "privilege" which is the excuse that failures use to justify their own lack of success. But the reality is that hunt members are rich and poor alike, side by side but you carry one and cling to your belief because it lets you off the hook for your own lack of accomplishments. This thread contains some wonderful admissions of all round personal failure from those like Kingnotail, along with a healthy dash of low self esteem from Toastytea - but here's a tip - don't parade your personal self hatred so publicly - it's distasteful.
"Country folk" - as some here think of them - are used to seeing nature for what it is - if you see a fox kill a chicken or a stoat take a rabbit or a grey squirrel devour a nest of chicks - you realise that this is what really happens away from the nice cosy TV-based world of people like Toastytea, so the rare killing of one animal by hounds rather than (say) from starvation after a fight with a younger stronger fox is not unique. It is only significant to those "inbred town folk" like St Marys Saint who have no real idea what happens outside of the town.
[quote][p][bold]StMarysSaint[/bold] wrote: These inbred so called countryside people are unable to feel compassion for any living creature, they are sick Sadomasochistic dredges of society, that will never understand that true love is to be compassionate to all living creatures, full stop.[/p][/quote]Isn't it funny all these people who seem to hate blood sports yet describe in detail how happy they'd be to see completely blameless people torn to pieces for doing nothing more than going for a ride.But we all know it's nothing to do with foxes is it St Marys. It's all about envy. You see the hunt as "privilege" which is the excuse that failures use to justify their own lack of success. But the reality is that hunt members are rich and poor alike, side by side but you carry one and cling to your belief because it lets you off the hook for your own lack of accomplishments. This thread contains some wonderful admissions of all round personal failure from those like Kingnotail, along with a healthy dash of low self esteem from Toastytea - but here's a tip - don't parade your personal self hatred so publicly - it's distasteful. "Country folk" - as some here think of them - are used to seeing nature for what it is - if you see a fox kill a chicken or a stoat take a rabbit or a grey squirrel devour a nest of chicks - you realise that this is what really happens away from the nice cosy TV-based world of people like Toastytea, so the rare killing of one animal by hounds rather than (say) from starvation after a fight with a younger stronger fox is not unique. It is only significant to those "inbred town folk" like St Marys Saint who have no real idea what happens outside of the town. The Wickham Man
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12:07pm Thu 27 Dec 12

ToastyTea says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
StMarysSaint wrote:
These inbred so called countryside people are unable to feel compassion for any living creature, they are sick Sadomasochistic dredges of society, that will never understand that true love is to be compassionate to all living creatures, full stop.
Isn't it funny all these people who seem to hate blood sports yet describe in detail how happy they'd be to see completely blameless people torn to pieces for doing nothing more than going for a ride.But we all know it's nothing to do with foxes is it St Marys. It's all about envy. You see the hunt as "privilege" which is the excuse that failures use to justify their own lack of success. But the reality is that hunt members are rich and poor alike, side by side but you carry one and cling to your belief because it lets you off the hook for your own lack of accomplishments. This thread contains some wonderful admissions of all round personal failure from those like Kingnotail, along with a healthy dash of low self esteem from Toastytea - but here's a tip - don't parade your personal self hatred so publicly - it's distasteful.
"Country folk" - as some here think of them - are used to seeing nature for what it is - if you see a fox kill a chicken or a stoat take a rabbit or a grey squirrel devour a nest of chicks - you realise that this is what really happens away from the nice cosy TV-based world of people like Toastytea, so the rare killing of one animal by hounds rather than (say) from starvation after a fight with a younger stronger fox is not unique. It is only significant to those "inbred town folk" like St Marys Saint who have no real idea what happens outside of the town.
I grew up in the countryside, I know what it's like, a fox killing a chicken is in no way the same thing as a pack of dogs and scum chasing after a fox and having it ripped apart. That's not nature for what it is as you put it.
Love the way you think people don't like fox hunting because they are envious of so called privileged people, shows how much of a pleb you really are.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StMarysSaint[/bold] wrote: These inbred so called countryside people are unable to feel compassion for any living creature, they are sick Sadomasochistic dredges of society, that will never understand that true love is to be compassionate to all living creatures, full stop.[/p][/quote]Isn't it funny all these people who seem to hate blood sports yet describe in detail how happy they'd be to see completely blameless people torn to pieces for doing nothing more than going for a ride.But we all know it's nothing to do with foxes is it St Marys. It's all about envy. You see the hunt as "privilege" which is the excuse that failures use to justify their own lack of success. But the reality is that hunt members are rich and poor alike, side by side but you carry one and cling to your belief because it lets you off the hook for your own lack of accomplishments. This thread contains some wonderful admissions of all round personal failure from those like Kingnotail, along with a healthy dash of low self esteem from Toastytea - but here's a tip - don't parade your personal self hatred so publicly - it's distasteful. "Country folk" - as some here think of them - are used to seeing nature for what it is - if you see a fox kill a chicken or a stoat take a rabbit or a grey squirrel devour a nest of chicks - you realise that this is what really happens away from the nice cosy TV-based world of people like Toastytea, so the rare killing of one animal by hounds rather than (say) from starvation after a fight with a younger stronger fox is not unique. It is only significant to those "inbred town folk" like St Marys Saint who have no real idea what happens outside of the town.[/p][/quote]I grew up in the countryside, I know what it's like, a fox killing a chicken is in no way the same thing as a pack of dogs and scum chasing after a fox and having it ripped apart. That's not nature for what it is as you put it. Love the way you think people don't like fox hunting because they are envious of so called privileged people, shows how much of a pleb you really are. ToastyTea
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12:17pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Delboy67 says...

Oh dear. Why does this always become a class war? Fox hunting is cruel, end of story. If these fox hunters are so concerned about pest control and claim its not about the sport then maybe they could do some voluntary work for rentokill. Of course they won't because I'm talking rubbish but they are scum.
Oh dear. Why does this always become a class war? Fox hunting is cruel, end of story. If these fox hunters are so concerned about pest control and claim its not about the sport then maybe they could do some voluntary work for rentokill. Of course they won't because I'm talking rubbish but they are scum. Delboy67
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1:06pm Thu 27 Dec 12

allison.luella says...

HUNTING is a sport, and not pest control!
i am a traditionalist, BUT this tradition the UK can well do with out!!
HUNTING is a sport, and not pest control! i am a traditionalist, BUT this tradition the UK can well do with out!! allison.luella
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2:24pm Thu 27 Dec 12

The Wickham Man says...

allison.luella wrote:
HUNTING is a sport, and not pest control!
i am a traditionalist, BUT this tradition the UK can well do with out!!
What, like angling? Why is is that "we" ie the urban outs on here are happy to ignore people who torment fish? Why is it the skulking class worriors (ie those who use the word "scum" all the time) don't use the same language to decribe anglers? ( Let's go and drag a fish out of its habitat by a hook through its mouth its mouth (if it's lucky) for "fun" shall we? And do it over and over again. Who cares if most fish don't die, after all most foxes get away too, don't they).
Or how about putting down poison to trap urban rodents? That's a nice urban class worrior acceptable way to die I suppose.
The truth is we all know this is not about the fox and anyone claiming it is is a liar or a hypocrite. This is all about the false perception of "toffs" based on the usual class war diet of stupidity ignorance, envy and hatred. Four words that pretty much encapsulate of the entire personality of some posters on this thread.
[quote][p][bold]allison.luella[/bold] wrote: HUNTING is a sport, and not pest control! i am a traditionalist, BUT this tradition the UK can well do with out!![/p][/quote]What, like angling? Why is is that "we" ie the urban outs on here are happy to ignore people who torment fish? Why is it the skulking class worriors (ie those who use the word "scum" all the time) don't use the same language to decribe anglers? ( Let's go and drag a fish out of its habitat by a hook through its mouth its mouth (if it's lucky) for "fun" shall we? And do it over and over again. Who cares if most fish don't die, after all most foxes get away too, don't they). Or how about putting down poison to trap urban rodents? That's a nice urban class worrior acceptable way to die I suppose. The truth is we all know this is not about the fox and anyone claiming it is is a liar or a hypocrite. This is all about the false perception of "toffs" based on the usual class war diet of stupidity ignorance, envy and hatred. Four words that pretty much encapsulate of the entire personality of some posters on this thread. The Wickham Man
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3:36pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Linesman says...

If these huntsmen want to kill vermin, why don't they hunt rats?

Rats spread a hell of a lot more disease than foxes.

The number of foxes in an area is regulated by the food available to them, but that is not the case with rats.

If the hunt want to kill foxes, then they should be made to eat what they kill.
If these huntsmen want to kill vermin, why don't they hunt rats? Rats spread a hell of a lot more disease than foxes. The number of foxes in an area is regulated by the food available to them, but that is not the case with rats. If the hunt want to kill foxes, then they should be made to eat what they kill. Linesman
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4:22pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Subject48 says...

I have killed many animals. We then ate those animals. I lived on a farm. Its the natural order of things.

Hunting is only viable if you eat the catch. I agree with fishing for sport to be ludacris. Kill to eat and live, not for fun.

Vermin need to be culled because they spread diseases. So I can understand that too.

But what I cannot understand is mindless violence and bloodshed on the grounds of "tradition".
I have killed many animals. We then ate those animals. I lived on a farm. Its the natural order of things. Hunting is only viable if you eat the catch. I agree with fishing for sport to be ludacris. Kill to eat and live, not for fun. Vermin need to be culled because they spread diseases. So I can understand that too. But what I cannot understand is mindless violence and bloodshed on the grounds of "tradition". Subject48
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