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Vandals in beach hut wrecking spree
6:10am Sunday 30th December 2012 in News
Vandals in beach hut wrecking spree
BEACH hut owners have hit out at “mindless” vandals who went on a wrecking spree on a Hampshire beach.
Police have launched an investigation after almost 20 huts near Calshot Activities Centre were either damaged or broken into by burglars armed with bolt-croppers.
The cost of repairing the damage and replacing items stolen is being put at hundreds of pounds.
It is the latest in a series of incidents at Calshot Beach in the past few years.
In 2008, 24 of the 280 huts were broken into and attempts made to enter two others.
The following year four were destroyed in an arson attack that caused damage totalling £5,000.
Most of the huts are owned by people who rent the wooden or concrete bases from New Forest District Council.
Describing the latest incident Pauline Haden, Calshot representative for the New Forest Beach Hut Owners’ Association, said: “I stood at one end and could see that many of the huts had been broken into.
“I informed all our members, who started coming down to the beach and telling police what was missing. They were more or less resigned to the fact that this had happened yet again and helped each other to secure the huts.
“It was mindless, unnecessary vandalism – probably carried out by just a few individuals.”
Cutlery, tea towels and gas cylinders were stolen from some of the huts, while larger items such as kayaks and dinghies were left untouched.
Police want to hear from anyone who saw cars parked near Calshot Beach on December 22 and 23, when the incident took place. Officers are also urging beach hut owners to make their property more secure.
PC Alison Tilbury said: “We would advise them to empty the huts over the winter months and to use security padlocks that can’t be bolt-cropped.”
Anyone with information should call PC Tilbury or PC Christopher Yates at Hythe police station
Comments(55)
bigmonkeyman
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7:10am Sun 30 Dec 12
huckit P
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9:48am Sun 30 Dec 12
AndyAndrews
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10:50am Sun 30 Dec 12
southy
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12:18pm Sun 30 Dec 12
huckit P wrote:Scrap merchants will not buy a gas cylinder/s for scrap (unless its by accident though them not checking what they are recieving), all gas cylinders are owned by the company that is mark on themm You pay a deposit and get a receipt, and you can only get that deposit back if you show the receipt.
Cutlery and gas cylinders eh? Scrap metal??? Hmm!
For a scrap merchant to buy scrap gas bottles they have got to buy them direct from the company that owns them.
Stephen J
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1:25pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy wrote:Rubbish. The illegal scrap metal market in gas cylinders is a real problem. For a start, Calor reckons up to 200 000 cylinders worth £9 million are stolen every year for scrap, and they regularly find them in scrap yards.
huckit P wrote:Scrap merchants will not buy a gas cylinder/s for scrap (unless its by accident though them not checking what they are recieving), all gas cylinders are owned by the company that is mark on themm You pay a deposit and get a receipt, and you can only get that deposit back if you show the receipt.
Cutlery and gas cylinders eh? Scrap metal??? Hmm!
For a scrap merchant to buy scrap gas bottles they have got to buy them direct from the company that owns them.
andysaints007
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3:03pm Sun 30 Dec 12
AndyAndrews wrote:What do you want them to do then? Make the story up ? PR*ck
Oh no, it's that international gang which steals tea towels! Can't believe tea towels were mentioned as having been stolen....
southy
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3:04pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Stephen J wrote:No they don't, 200,000 cylinders needs to be scrap and be replace every year. because of age or damage.
southy wrote:Rubbish. The illegal scrap metal market in gas cylinders is a real problem. For a start, Calor reckons up to 200 000 cylinders worth £9 million are stolen every year for scrap, and they regularly find them in scrap yards.
huckit P wrote:Scrap merchants will not buy a gas cylinder/s for scrap (unless its by accident though them not checking what they are recieving), all gas cylinders are owned by the company that is mark on themm You pay a deposit and get a receipt, and you can only get that deposit back if you show the receipt.
Cutlery and gas cylinders eh? Scrap metal??? Hmm!
For a scrap merchant to buy scrap gas bottles they have got to buy them direct from the company that owns them.
I know that all ready was told all about that when I work for Calor, Calor biggest problem with there gas bottles is people turning them into air tanks for compressors, only find the odd one or two in scrap yards, i seen them to but there is no where near as many as your hintting at, if there was Calor would be taking the scrap yard to court. Calor do not mess about when it comes to there bottles.
freefinker
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3:55pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy wrote:.. no, no, no, no, southy.
Stephen J wrote:No they don't, 200,000 cylinders needs to be scrap and be replace every year. because of age or damage.
southy wrote:Rubbish. The illegal scrap metal market in gas cylinders is a real problem. For a start, Calor reckons up to 200 000 cylinders worth £9 million are stolen every year for scrap, and they regularly find them in scrap yards.
huckit P wrote:Scrap merchants will not buy a gas cylinder/s for scrap (unless its by accident though them not checking what they are recieving), all gas cylinders are owned by the company that is mark on themm You pay a deposit and get a receipt, and you can only get that deposit back if you show the receipt.
Cutlery and gas cylinders eh? Scrap metal??? Hmm!
For a scrap merchant to buy scrap gas bottles they have got to buy them direct from the company that owns them.
I know that all ready was told all about that when I work for Calor, Calor biggest problem with there gas bottles is people turning them into air tanks for compressors, only find the odd one or two in scrap yards, i seen them to but there is no where near as many as your hintting at, if there was Calor would be taking the scrap yard to court. Calor do not mess about when it comes to there bottles.
Stephen J got his accurate info from a recent Calor Gas press release.
See for yourself and admit you were wrong.
Or is this another of your alleged made up websites?
http://www.calor.co.
uk/about-calor/press
-centre/coast-to-coa
st-tornado/
Torchie1
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4:11pm Sun 30 Dec 12
freefinker wrote:Will it be an early bedtime, research at the library or an important union meeting that prevents Southy from replying?
southy wrote:.. no, no, no, no, southy.
Stephen J wrote:No they don't, 200,000 cylinders needs to be scrap and be replace every year. because of age or damage.
southy wrote:Rubbish. The illegal scrap metal market in gas cylinders is a real problem. For a start, Calor reckons up to 200 000 cylinders worth £9 million are stolen every year for scrap, and they regularly find them in scrap yards.
huckit P wrote:Scrap merchants will not buy a gas cylinder/s for scrap (unless its by accident though them not checking what they are recieving), all gas cylinders are owned by the company that is mark on themm You pay a deposit and get a receipt, and you can only get that deposit back if you show the receipt.
Cutlery and gas cylinders eh? Scrap metal??? Hmm!
For a scrap merchant to buy scrap gas bottles they have got to buy them direct from the company that owns them.
I know that all ready was told all about that when I work for Calor, Calor biggest problem with there gas bottles is people turning them into air tanks for compressors, only find the odd one or two in scrap yards, i seen them to but there is no where near as many as your hintting at, if there was Calor would be taking the scrap yard to court. Calor do not mess about when it comes to there bottles.
Stephen J got his accurate info from a recent Calor Gas press release.
See for yourself and admit you were wrong.
Or is this another of your alleged made up websites?
http://www.calor.co.
uk/about-calor/press
-centre/coast-to-coa
st-tornado/
southy
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4:23pm Sun 30 Dec 12
.co.uk is a franchise busines the shops that calor use to own but was sold off.
blj is american lawer firm, for the franchise, Calor gaz is a german company.
and what the artical said about 15 bottles in 9 scrap yards is more close to the mark as it really is, not only that calor gaz owns most of the lpg bottling plants in europe, they own all but 2 in the uk.
And the bottles that turned up in Tasmania, I heard that story from the pep talk back in 1985
Dusty
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4:46pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Stephen J
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4:51pm Sun 30 Dec 12
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
freefinker
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4:57pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy wrote:.. shows how little you know.
Ok let me point some thing out to you, blj is not Calor gaz, Calor have its own servers and its own personal address. ends with com.
.co.uk is a franchise busines the shops that calor use to own but was sold off.
blj is american lawer firm, for the franchise, Calor gaz is a german company.
and what the artical said about 15 bottles in 9 scrap yards is more close to the mark as it really is, not only that calor gaz owns most of the lpg bottling plants in europe, they own all but 2 in the uk.
And the bottles that turned up in Tasmania, I heard that story from the pep talk back in 1985
Try calor.com and it takes you to .co.uk. There is no calor.com.
It was 51 (not 15) from 9 scrap yards. If you go to Humberside police website you will see that was over just 5 days of Operation Coast to Coast. Take that over a full year for all 1500 UK scrap yards and the 200,000 figure may well be quite conservative.
BLJ (Brown Lloyd James) are a global Public Relations Firm. Seems they compile and issue Calor press releases – it is a fairly common commercial operation for many large companies to have public relations handled by external professionals. So what? It’s still a Calor press release and on their website.
You just can’t admit you are wrong, can you?
Southern Driver
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5:01pm Sun 30 Dec 12
"Calor gaz is a german company."
They are in fact owned by the SHV Energy Group who are in fact Dutch NOT German.
Stick to the facts and not fantasy or whatever you'd like it to be.
freefinker
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5:02pm Sun 30 Dec 12
“and has admitting when i am wrong i am one of the only few people on here that will do that"
Come on then, prove it.
Shoong
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5:09pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy wrote:Don't you get tired of making a complete idiot of yourself?
Stephen J wrote:No they don't, 200,000 cylinders needs to be scrap and be replace every year. because of age or damage.
southy wrote:Rubbish. The illegal scrap metal market in gas cylinders is a real problem. For a start, Calor reckons up to 200 000 cylinders worth £9 million are stolen every year for scrap, and they regularly find them in scrap yards.
huckit P wrote:Scrap merchants will not buy a gas cylinder/s for scrap (unless its by accident though them not checking what they are recieving), all gas cylinders are owned by the company that is mark on themm You pay a deposit and get a receipt, and you can only get that deposit back if you show the receipt.
Cutlery and gas cylinders eh? Scrap metal??? Hmm!
For a scrap merchant to buy scrap gas bottles they have got to buy them direct from the company that owns them.
I know that all ready was told all about that when I work for Calor, Calor biggest problem with there gas bottles is people turning them into air tanks for compressors, only find the odd one or two in scrap yards, i seen them to but there is no where near as many as your hintting at, if there was Calor would be taking the scrap yard to court. Calor do not mess about when it comes to there bottles.
southy
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5:33pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
freefinker
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5:50pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy wrote:.. no southy, it is you who is wrong.
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
I've already directed you to the .co.uk website of Calor Gas Ltd (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dutch company SHV Energy)
I suggest you actually read what they have to say about the company structure because absolutely nowhere does it back up anything you have said.
You are just making it up as you go along; everyone else is posting accurate researched info.
southy
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6:14pm Sun 30 Dec 12
freefinker wrote:Try again Calor is owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, Which SHV has 40% of shares
southy wrote:.. no southy, it is you who is wrong.
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
I've already directed you to the .co.uk website of Calor Gas Ltd (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dutch company SHV Energy)
I suggest you actually read what they have to say about the company structure because absolutely nowhere does it back up anything you have said.
You are just making it up as you go along; everyone else is posting accurate researched info.
Stephen J
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6:19pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy wrote:So "Calor the franchise the shops" has no right to be discussing the issue of their stolen, scrapped and otherwise missing gas cylinders? In other words, which bit of what "Calor the franchise the shops" says is wrong?
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
Southern Driver
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6:28pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy wrote:Absolutely got it wrong again Southy. Try researching Calor's History and you will find this:
freefinker wrote:Try again Calor is owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, Which SHV has 40% of shares
southy wrote:.. no southy, it is you who is wrong.
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
I've already directed you to the .co.uk website of Calor Gas Ltd (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dutch company SHV Energy)
I suggest you actually read what they have to say about the company structure because absolutely nowhere does it back up anything you have said.
You are just making it up as you go along; everyone else is posting accurate researched info.
In 1997 Calor became a wholly owned company within the SHV Energy Group, commencing a new chapter in Calor’s story.
Therefore, you are wrong AGAIN. Finally the company operate as Calor GAS not Calor Gaz.
freefinker
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6:29pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy wrote:.. nope.
freefinker wrote:Try again Calor is owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, Which SHV has 40% of shares
southy wrote:.. no southy, it is you who is wrong.
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
I've already directed you to the .co.uk website of Calor Gas Ltd (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dutch company SHV Energy)
I suggest you actually read what they have to say about the company structure because absolutely nowhere does it back up anything you have said.
You are just making it up as you go along; everyone else is posting accurate researched info.
As the website says "Calor is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dutch multinational company SHV"
What bit of that do you not understand?
Of the Ilk
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6:52pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy
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7:01pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Stephen J wrote:Well they do have some rights, such as they have to pay Calor Gaz money for the use of the bottles which again is returned when bottles are returned, its money that they are losing and they have got to account for every bottle, so yes they would have some rights.
southy wrote:So "Calor the franchise the shops" has no right to be discussing the issue of their stolen, scrapped and otherwise missing gas cylinders? In other words, which bit of what "Calor the franchise the shops" says is wrong?
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
now you have hit on to some thing when you say missing, that would be more believable bottles that are missing, like my self I have 4 empty gas bottles here that I have never taken back, because over the years I have lost the deposit receipt on those bottles, so if i was to return them i would not get my deposit back that I paid, and this is the case all over the country, people no longer having the receipt on those bottles, and have the bottle in sheds and garages
southy
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7:04pm Sun 30 Dec 12
freefinker wrote:Take a better look SHV has 40% share in Imperial Continental Gas Association plc who are the owners of Calor Gaz
southy wrote:.. nope.
freefinker wrote:Try again Calor is owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, Which SHV has 40% of shares
southy wrote:.. no southy, it is you who is wrong.
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
I've already directed you to the .co.uk website of Calor Gas Ltd (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dutch company SHV Energy)
I suggest you actually read what they have to say about the company structure because absolutely nowhere does it back up anything you have said.
You are just making it up as you go along; everyone else is posting accurate researched info.
As the website says "Calor is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dutch multinational company SHV"
What bit of that do you not understand?
IronLady2010
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7:14pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy
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7:23pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Southern Driver wrote:If you look deeper SHV owned 50% of Primagaz the other 50% was owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, it was Primagaz share that they bought out in 97 after 6 years of a joint adventure in Poland, Hungary and Slovakia, last thing what i heard that Imperial Continental Gas Association plc was up to was working with a japanese company
southy wrote:Absolutely got it wrong again Southy. Try researching Calor's History and you will find this:
freefinker wrote:Try again Calor is owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, Which SHV has 40% of shares
southy wrote:.. no southy, it is you who is wrong.
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
I've already directed you to the .co.uk website of Calor Gas Ltd (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dutch company SHV Energy)
I suggest you actually read what they have to say about the company structure because absolutely nowhere does it back up anything you have said.
You are just making it up as you go along; everyone else is posting accurate researched info.
In 1997 Calor became a wholly owned company within the SHV Energy Group, commencing a new chapter in Calor’s story.
Therefore, you are wrong AGAIN. Finally the company operate as Calor GAS not Calor Gaz.
Torchie1
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7:25pm Sun 30 Dec 12
IronLady2010 wrote:This is one of the leading lights in Tusc you are referring to.
Blimey, vandals wreck beach huts and Southy takes over on his one man crusade about Calor Gas.
southy
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7:26pm Sun 30 Dec 12
freefinker
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7:54pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy wrote:.. well there you are Torchie1, it's a union meeting.
oh thanks for helping the time to go by faster have to love and leave ya, things to (meeting)
He did, though, put up a lot of totally inaccurate irrelevancies before he went.
freefinker
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8:09pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy wrote:The reality is ICGA no longer exists.
Southern Driver wrote:If you look deeper SHV owned 50% of Primagaz the other 50% was owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, it was Primagaz share that they bought out in 97 after 6 years of a joint adventure in Poland, Hungary and Slovakia, last thing what i heard that Imperial Continental Gas Association plc was up to was working with a japanese company
southy wrote:Absolutely got it wrong again Southy. Try researching Calor's History and you will find this:
freefinker wrote:Try again Calor is owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, Which SHV has 40% of shares
southy wrote:.. no southy, it is you who is wrong.
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
I've already directed you to the .co.uk website of Calor Gas Ltd (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dutch company SHV Energy)
I suggest you actually read what they have to say about the company structure because absolutely nowhere does it back up anything you have said.
You are just making it up as you go along; everyone else is posting accurate researched info.
In 1997 Calor became a wholly owned company within the SHV Energy Group, commencing a new chapter in Calor’s story.
Therefore, you are wrong AGAIN. Finally the company operate as Calor GAS not Calor Gaz.
In 1986 it split itself into two companies - Calor Group and Contibel.
In 1988 SHV acquired a 40% stake in the Calor Group and increased this to 100% in 1997.
I can only assume you are getting your information from a hopelessly out of date library book.
Of the Ilk
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8:31pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Stephen J
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8:33pm Sun 30 Dec 12
southy wrote:1) "For a scrap merchant to buy scrap gas bottles they have got to buy them direct from the company that owns them." 2) "We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap." These two statements can't both be true. You've led everyone round the houses in some desperate attempt not to appear wrong. But you are wrong. So clearly wrong. Again. The thing is, the world does not revolve around what you think is true, what was once true, what you think should be true or what someone told you is true. The only thing that matters is what is actually true.
Stephen J wrote:Well they do have some rights, such as they have to pay Calor Gaz money for the use of the bottles which again is returned when bottles are returned, its money that they are losing and they have got to account for every bottle, so yes they would have some rights.
southy wrote:So "Calor the franchise the shops" has no right to be discussing the issue of their stolen, scrapped and otherwise missing gas cylinders? In other words, which bit of what "Calor the franchise the shops" says is wrong?
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
now you have hit on to some thing when you say missing, that would be more believable bottles that are missing, like my self I have 4 empty gas bottles here that I have never taken back, because over the years I have lost the deposit receipt on those bottles, so if i was to return them i would not get my deposit back that I paid, and this is the case all over the country, people no longer having the receipt on those bottles, and have the bottle in sheds and garages
Stephen J
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8:54pm Sun 30 Dec 12
freefinker wrote:Probably out trying to get Labour back in power within the next 27 hours.
southy wrote:.. well there you are Torchie1, it's a union meeting.
oh thanks for helping the time to go by faster have to love and leave ya, things to (meeting)
He did, though, put up a lot of totally inaccurate irrelevancies before he went.
Southy says... 4:05pm Fri 18 Nov 11
"Labour will be back in power by the end of next year."
Torchie1
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8:55pm Sun 30 Dec 12
freefinker wrote:Southy has in fact told us that his computer skills have been honed to allow him to spot an Internet page that hasn't been tampered with whereas we mere mortals always quote one that is rotten with false right wing propaganda. Tusc is truly blessed with this candidate.
southy wrote:The reality is ICGA no longer exists.
Southern Driver wrote:If you look deeper SHV owned 50% of Primagaz the other 50% was owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, it was Primagaz share that they bought out in 97 after 6 years of a joint adventure in Poland, Hungary and Slovakia, last thing what i heard that Imperial Continental Gas Association plc was up to was working with a japanese company
southy wrote:Absolutely got it wrong again Southy. Try researching Calor's History and you will find this:
freefinker wrote:Try again Calor is owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, Which SHV has 40% of shares
southy wrote:.. no southy, it is you who is wrong.
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
I've already directed you to the .co.uk website of Calor Gas Ltd (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dutch company SHV Energy)
I suggest you actually read what they have to say about the company structure because absolutely nowhere does it back up anything you have said.
You are just making it up as you go along; everyone else is posting accurate researched info.
In 1997 Calor became a wholly owned company within the SHV Energy Group, commencing a new chapter in Calor’s story.
Therefore, you are wrong AGAIN. Finally the company operate as Calor GAS not Calor Gaz.
In 1986 it split itself into two companies - Calor Group and Contibel.
In 1988 SHV acquired a 40% stake in the Calor Group and increased this to 100% in 1997.
I can only assume you are getting your information from a hopelessly out of date library book.
IronLady2010
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9:02pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Torchie1 wrote:Yep, look out for the headers, they give you the real truth, the hackers never ever thought about the headers, which only applies to emails!
freefinker wrote:Southy has in fact told us that his computer skills have been honed to allow him to spot an Internet page that hasn't been tampered with whereas we mere mortals always quote one that is rotten with false right wing propaganda. Tusc is truly blessed with this candidate.
southy wrote:The reality is ICGA no longer exists.
Southern Driver wrote:If you look deeper SHV owned 50% of Primagaz the other 50% was owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, it was Primagaz share that they bought out in 97 after 6 years of a joint adventure in Poland, Hungary and Slovakia, last thing what i heard that Imperial Continental Gas Association plc was up to was working with a japanese company
southy wrote:Absolutely got it wrong again Southy. Try researching Calor's History and you will find this:
freefinker wrote:Try again Calor is owned by Imperial Continental Gas Association plc, Which SHV has 40% of shares
southy wrote:.. no southy, it is you who is wrong.
Stephen J wrote:No Steven Calor.co.uk is Calor the franchise the shops, and not Calor Gaz
Come off it. Calor.co.uk is Calor! Go to that page and there's pictures of Calor gas bottles on it! Calor itself says:
"Unlawful scrapping– We are aware of a number of scrap metal operations who are actively taking in our cylinders, cutting them up and them selling them on as scrap...The industry estimates that metal theft for illegal scrapping or export runs at around 1% of the cylinder population per annum. The 200,000 or so cylinders that are misappropriated come at a replacement value to the industry of approximately £9 million." So, is there an illegal scrap trade in stolen gas bottles? Yes there is!
I've already directed you to the .co.uk website of Calor Gas Ltd (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dutch company SHV Energy)
I suggest you actually read what they have to say about the company structure because absolutely nowhere does it back up anything you have said.
You are just making it up as you go along; everyone else is posting accurate researched info.
In 1997 Calor became a wholly owned company within the SHV Energy Group, commencing a new chapter in Calor’s story.
Therefore, you are wrong AGAIN. Finally the company operate as Calor GAS not Calor Gaz.
In 1986 it split itself into two companies - Calor Group and Contibel.
In 1988 SHV acquired a 40% stake in the Calor Group and increased this to 100% in 1997.
I can only assume you are getting your information from a hopelessly out of date library book.
freefinker
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9:02pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Stephen J wrote:When I did bring this up in mid-November he insisted the year was not yet over and 'a day is a long time in politics'.
freefinker wrote:Probably out trying to get Labour back in power within the next 27 hours.
southy wrote:.. well there you are Torchie1, it's a union meeting.
oh thanks for helping the time to go by faster have to love and leave ya, things to (meeting)
He did, though, put up a lot of totally inaccurate irrelevancies before he went.
Southy says... 4:05pm Fri 18 Nov 11
"Labour will be back in power by the end of next year."
So, today is perhaps a little premature for southy.
IronLady2010
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9:27pm Sun 30 Dec 12
freefinker wrote:I'd like to say a big something could go off and blow the government up, but if I say that and it happens guess who's No.1 suspect?
Stephen J wrote:When I did bring this up in mid-November he insisted the year was not yet over and 'a day is a long time in politics'.
freefinker wrote:Probably out trying to get Labour back in power within the next 27 hours.
southy wrote:.. well there you are Torchie1, it's a union meeting.
oh thanks for helping the time to go by faster have to love and leave ya, things to (meeting)
He did, though, put up a lot of totally inaccurate irrelevancies before he went.
Southy says... 4:05pm Fri 18 Nov 11
"Labour will be back in power by the end of next year."
So, today is perhaps a little premature for southy.
So, you never know he could be right, just make sure HE is the No.1 suspect lol
IronLady2010
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9:27pm Sun 30 Dec 12
IronLady2010 wrote:I wonder if the Library will record it?
freefinker wrote:I'd like to say a big something could go off and blow the government up, but if I say that and it happens guess who's No.1 suspect?
Stephen J wrote:When I did bring this up in mid-November he insisted the year was not yet over and 'a day is a long time in politics'.
freefinker wrote:Probably out trying to get Labour back in power within the next 27 hours.
southy wrote:.. well there you are Torchie1, it's a union meeting.
oh thanks for helping the time to go by faster have to love and leave ya, things to (meeting)
He did, though, put up a lot of totally inaccurate irrelevancies before he went.
Southy says... 4:05pm Fri 18 Nov 11
"Labour will be back in power by the end of next year."
So, today is perhaps a little premature for southy.
So, you never know he could be right, just make sure HE is the No.1 suspect lol
Niel
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10:10pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Stainless steel cutlery for scrap.
Sir Ad E Noid
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10:53pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Torchie1
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11:19pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:There would be even more if poor Southy hadn't been dragged out to a mysterious union meeting late on The last Sunday night before the New Year !!!! If there wasn't so much cloud, the low flying pigs would be easier to see.
Blimey, I am exhausted after reading that lot.
stay local
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7:35am Mon 31 Dec 12
Why is Southy not worried about the tea towels "won't somebody think of the tea towels" do they have to be returned to their place of purchase? Could they have been taken by the SBS to dry their secret air rifles, or perhaps eco warriors who will use them to make sand bags that can be placed around the earth to prevent is wobble or to shore up the sporadic areas of subsidence caused by the unregulated (by Southy, but approve by DEFRA and the environment agency). I guess I will have to rush to my library to find out the truth {as 90% of things on the internet are false }. Where should I look do I take Southy's advice and look in the fiction section???
Big Mac
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10:11am Mon 31 Dec 12
Same Old Usual Tosh Here... Yep
Subject48
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11:27am Mon 31 Dec 12
southy
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11:39am Mon 31 Dec 12
stay local wrote:I leave the Tea towels in your hands to deal with, its more your kind of thing and style of knowledge.
Several questions come to mind. Firstly is Southy only worried about the calor butane bottles as they are blue, and therefore part of the ruling class, whereas the propane cylinder are red and must be socialist! Do you think they were vandals? don't vandals normally just vandalise (kick the doors in etc. Whereas thieves may carry bolt croppers to open locks and take items.
Why is Southy not worried about the tea towels "won't somebody think of the tea towels" do they have to be returned to their place of purchase? Could they have been taken by the SBS to dry their secret air rifles, or perhaps eco warriors who will use them to make sand bags that can be placed around the earth to prevent is wobble or to shore up the sporadic areas of subsidence caused by the unregulated (by Southy, but approve by DEFRA and the environment agency). I guess I will have to rush to my library to find out the truth {as 90% of things on the internet are false }. Where should I look do I take Southy's advice and look in the fiction section???
southy
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11:45am Mon 31 Dec 12
Torchie1 wrote:Who said I went to a Union meeting I did not Torchie, I said I had a meeting to go to which do not mean its a Union meeting..
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:There would be even more if poor Southy hadn't been dragged out to a mysterious union meeting late on The last Sunday night before the New Year !!!! If there wasn't so much cloud, the low flying pigs would be easier to see.
Blimey, I am exhausted after reading that lot.
At lest I am willing to get out there and find out things, an not rely on information put up on the internet by people like your self who as not even bothered to check on the information in the first place.
Big Mac
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11:57am Mon 31 Dec 12
freefinker
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12:16pm Mon 31 Dec 12
southy wrote:.. trouble is, southy, you don't 'find out things', do you? Almost everything you post on this site is wrong.
Torchie1 wrote:Who said I went to a Union meeting I did not Torchie, I said I had a meeting to go to which do not mean its a Union meeting..
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:There would be even more if poor Southy hadn't been dragged out to a mysterious union meeting late on The last Sunday night before the New Year !!!! If there wasn't so much cloud, the low flying pigs would be easier to see.
Blimey, I am exhausted after reading that lot.
At lest I am willing to get out there and find out things, an not rely on information put up on the internet by people like your self who as not even bothered to check on the information in the first place.
Torchie1
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12:38pm Mon 31 Dec 12
southy wrote:On one thread you tell us that nothing on the internet can be trusted and on another you tell us how you can 'prove' anything using websites that only you can tell are safe. Have you ever wondered why no-one from your beloved Tusc ever comes to your rescue on this site when you get bogged down in an argument where you are so obviously wrong? Even your fellow socialist tries to reason with your bizarre logic because he can see the harm you do as you make socialism a joke. I thought I detected some logic recently when you tried to claim that you weren't 'hard left' but it's nice to see you are back to showing your real colours so perhaps you would be better off relying on sensible sources of information that the vast majority know are safe instead of trying to make things up in a strange effort to impress. You have created an impression that your posts are going to be a mixture of entertainment and kindergarten logic, and long may it continue for our amusement.
Torchie1 wrote:Who said I went to a Union meeting I did not Torchie, I said I had a meeting to go to which do not mean its a Union meeting..
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:There would be even more if poor Southy hadn't been dragged out to a mysterious union meeting late on The last Sunday night before the New Year !!!! If there wasn't so much cloud, the low flying pigs would be easier to see.
Blimey, I am exhausted after reading that lot.
At lest I am willing to get out there and find out things, an not rely on information put up on the internet by people like your self who as not even bothered to check on the information in the first place.
Stephen J
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1:46pm Mon 31 Dec 12
southy wrote:It doesn't matter where you 'find things out' from. Whether from the library, the internet, what someone told you at the TUSC stall, at a meeting, it can still be wrong. There's nothing virtuous in defending a 'fact' simply because you respect the source, or because you went to a lot of effort to find it out. If it's wrong, it's wrong!
Torchie1 wrote:Who said I went to a Union meeting I did not Torchie, I said I had a meeting to go to which do not mean its a Union meeting..
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:There would be even more if poor Southy hadn't been dragged out to a mysterious union meeting late on The last Sunday night before the New Year !!!! If there wasn't so much cloud, the low flying pigs would be easier to see.
Blimey, I am exhausted after reading that lot.
At lest I am willing to get out there and find out things, an not rely on information put up on the internet by people like your self who as not even bothered to check on the information in the first place.
Pandoragolden1
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1:48pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Shoong
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1:49pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Stephen J wrote:Peter also said that there would be a vote of no confidence in the government (if that's even possible to put forward) and there would be a general election by the end of the year.
freefinker wrote:Probably out trying to get Labour back in power within the next 27 hours.
southy wrote:.. well there you are Torchie1, it's a union meeting.
oh thanks for helping the time to go by faster have to love and leave ya, things to (meeting)
He did, though, put up a lot of totally inaccurate irrelevancies before he went.
Southy says... 4:05pm Fri 18 Nov 11
"Labour will be back in power by the end of next year."
Subject48
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2:06pm Mon 31 Dec 12
haaa good one. Little crude, but good nonetheless!
Dusty says...
6:39am Sun 30 Dec 12