Town Quay body: Woman had threatened to harm herself

The area of Town Quay where the woman's body was found.

The area of Town Quay where the woman's body was found.

First published in News

A WOMAN whose body was found in Southampton Water on New Year’s Eve had been taken into police custody earlier in the day after threatening to harm herself, it has been revealed. Police have today named the woman as 57-year-old Rita Bowler who lived in Hedge End. Officers were first called to Town Quay in the early hours of the morning on Monday to reports of Ms Bowler threatening to self harm. According to Hampshire police she was subsequently detained and taken into police custody at Southampton Central police station on mental health grounds were she was then later assessed and released. A Hampshire police spokesman said she was taken, by officers, back to her home in Hobb Lane, Hedge End, later that day but apparently returned to Town Quay where her body was subsequently recovered from the water. As previously reported by the Daily Echo, the body was found at 1pm after it was spotted by crew of the Red Jet ferry near to the Southampton terminal as it returned from West Cowes. A police boat was launched to help recover the body but the 57-year-old was pronounced dead at the scene. A post-mortem has yet to take place but police said they were not looking for anyone else in connection with her death and that her next of kin had been informed. Describing the death as “a tragic incident” the spokesman said that in line with national guidelines the matter had been voluntarily referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission as Ms Bowler had been in contact with the constabulary in the hours before her death. A decision on whether the matter will be formally investigated will be made by the commission in the coming weeks.

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12:13pm Wed 2 Jan 13

999medic says...

I can only hope that the police officers involved are fully supported, as they did there job. She was let down again, by the mental health systems of this country, time and time again people are being released from institutions or in this case custody, after reviews by mental health professions, and within hours are taking their own lives. I know these people have an incredibly hard job, but if someone states they are going to harm themselves the least we can do is to hold them for a reasonable time and not release them within hours for them to carry out their threat. Rest in Peace Rita I hope you are at peace.
I can only hope that the police officers involved are fully supported, as they did there job. She was let down again, by the mental health systems of this country, time and time again people are being released from institutions or in this case custody, after reviews by mental health professions, and within hours are taking their own lives. I know these people have an incredibly hard job, but if someone states they are going to harm themselves the least we can do is to hold them for a reasonable time and not release them within hours for them to carry out their threat. Rest in Peace Rita I hope you are at peace. 999medic
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12:27pm Wed 2 Jan 13

vag says...

999medic wrote:
I can only hope that the police officers involved are fully supported, as they did there job. She was let down again, by the mental health systems of this country, time and time again people are being released from institutions or in this case custody, after reviews by mental health professions, and within hours are taking their own lives. I know these people have an incredibly hard job, but if someone states they are going to harm themselves the least we can do is to hold them for a reasonable time and not release them within hours for them to carry out their threat. Rest in Peace Rita I hope you are at peace.
Well said that man. The 'care in the community' system looks to have failed again. R.I.P. Rita, and condolences to the family.
[quote][p][bold]999medic[/bold] wrote: I can only hope that the police officers involved are fully supported, as they did there job. She was let down again, by the mental health systems of this country, time and time again people are being released from institutions or in this case custody, after reviews by mental health professions, and within hours are taking their own lives. I know these people have an incredibly hard job, but if someone states they are going to harm themselves the least we can do is to hold them for a reasonable time and not release them within hours for them to carry out their threat. Rest in Peace Rita I hope you are at peace.[/p][/quote]Well said that man. The 'care in the community' system looks to have failed again. R.I.P. Rita, and condolences to the family. vag
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12:32pm Wed 2 Jan 13

s e reader says...

It seems so hard that it is the Police complaints commission that are now involved. As said above, it is the mental health assessment team that have to be held to account here. They are so quick to dismiss people's cries for help with the comment that if you can't tell us exactly what help you need then we can't help. Just maybe this poor lady didn't know what help she needed - just that she needed something, someone.

If there is anything positive to take from this it is that she did not at least leave herself physically compromised for life by her attempt, but it should never have been left to get to this. I hope she has indeed found some peace and that her friends and family can take some comfort from the fact that her suffering is now over, even if theirs is not.
It seems so hard that it is the Police complaints commission that are now involved. As said above, it is the mental health assessment team that have to be held to account here. They are so quick to dismiss people's cries for help with the comment that if you can't tell us exactly what help you need then we can't help. Just maybe this poor lady didn't know what help she needed - just that she needed something, someone. If there is anything positive to take from this it is that she did not at least leave herself physically compromised for life by her attempt, but it should never have been left to get to this. I hope she has indeed found some peace and that her friends and family can take some comfort from the fact that her suffering is now over, even if theirs is not. s e reader
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1:28pm Wed 2 Jan 13

ReverendPaul says...

Another Sad story about the lack of support offered to those in greatest need. For those who grieve at her loss and struggle to cope there is a dedicated support group locally for all those affected by the sudden death of a loved one/friend. www.sobshampshire.bt
ck.co.uk
Another Sad story about the lack of support offered to those in greatest need. For those who grieve at her loss and struggle to cope there is a dedicated support group locally for all those affected by the sudden death of a loved one/friend. www.sobshampshire.bt ck.co.uk ReverendPaul
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2:16pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Stillness says...

If you decided to destroy even a piece of paper, you could not do it. If you set fire to it, the heat would enter you and the cosmos. The smoke would rise in to the sky, and it may become part of a cloud and you may receive it on your head tonight as rain. The ash. This could be returned to the earth, and if you should return next year or perhaps in two years you may find growing from the ash a blade of grass, or a little flower. The piece of paper, like all forms, is of the form of no birth and no death.
There is change, but there is no death.
If you decided to destroy even a piece of paper, you could not do it. If you set fire to it, the heat would enter you and the cosmos. The smoke would rise in to the sky, and it may become part of a cloud and you may receive it on your head tonight as rain. The ash. This could be returned to the earth, and if you should return next year or perhaps in two years you may find growing from the ash a blade of grass, or a little flower. The piece of paper, like all forms, is of the form of no birth and no death. There is change, but there is no death. Stillness
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2:57pm Wed 2 Jan 13

s e reader says...

Stillness wrote:
If you decided to destroy even a piece of paper, you could not do it. If you set fire to it, the heat would enter you and the cosmos. The smoke would rise in to the sky, and it may become part of a cloud and you may receive it on your head tonight as rain. The ash. This could be returned to the earth, and if you should return next year or perhaps in two years you may find growing from the ash a blade of grass, or a little flower. The piece of paper, like all forms, is of the form of no birth and no death.
There is change, but there is no death.
What a wonderfully soothing message this is.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: If you decided to destroy even a piece of paper, you could not do it. If you set fire to it, the heat would enter you and the cosmos. The smoke would rise in to the sky, and it may become part of a cloud and you may receive it on your head tonight as rain. The ash. This could be returned to the earth, and if you should return next year or perhaps in two years you may find growing from the ash a blade of grass, or a little flower. The piece of paper, like all forms, is of the form of no birth and no death. There is change, but there is no death.[/p][/quote]What a wonderfully soothing message this is. s e reader
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4:22pm Wed 2 Jan 13

SotonLad says...

How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't.

The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous.
How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't. The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous. SotonLad
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5:01pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Stephen J says...

SotonLad wrote:
How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't.

The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous.
The police voluntarily referred the matter to the IPCC. This is standard procedure in circumstances like these.
[quote][p][bold]SotonLad[/bold] wrote: How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't. The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous.[/p][/quote]The police voluntarily referred the matter to the IPCC. This is standard procedure in circumstances like these. Stephen J
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5:59pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Huey says...

I had a friend a who killed himself in 2002, you never forget but ultimately if someone wants to end it all, they will find a way to do so.
RIP Rita (2011)
RIP Kev (2002)
I had a friend a who killed himself in 2002, you never forget but ultimately if someone wants to end it all, they will find a way to do so. RIP Rita (2011) RIP Kev (2002) Huey
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6:09pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Huey says...

Huey wrote:
I had a friend a who killed himself in 2002, you never forget but ultimately if someone wants to end it all, they will find a way to do so.
RIP Rita (2011)
RIP Kev (2002)
oops not adjusted to new year yet Rita twenty twelve
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: I had a friend a who killed himself in 2002, you never forget but ultimately if someone wants to end it all, they will find a way to do so. RIP Rita (2011) RIP Kev (2002)[/p][/quote]oops not adjusted to new year yet Rita twenty twelve Huey
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6:29pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Stillness says...

Stephen J wrote:
SotonLad wrote:
How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't.

The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous.
The police voluntarily referred the matter to the IPCC. This is standard procedure in circumstances like these.
Just because it's a standard procedure it doesn't make it a correct one.
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonLad[/bold] wrote: How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't. The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous.[/p][/quote]The police voluntarily referred the matter to the IPCC. This is standard procedure in circumstances like these.[/p][/quote]Just because it's a standard procedure it doesn't make it a correct one. Stillness
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8:57pm Wed 2 Jan 13

gazcar40 says...

I am very upset by people blaming the mental health assessment team for failing this lady. They did not fail her. Every precaution and consideration is taken into account when assessing people in these situations and every effort is made to make sure people are safe. Sometimes people lie about how they feel and unless you are Derren Brown or a mind reader, you will never know if they are lying or not, which makes detaining a person against their will very difficult to do unless the law is changed. It is sad what happened to Rita but sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions.

In summary, I feel it is easy for people to comment on things they know nothing about. They see the tip of the iceberg.
I am very upset by people blaming the mental health assessment team for failing this lady. They did not fail her. Every precaution and consideration is taken into account when assessing people in these situations and every effort is made to make sure people are safe. Sometimes people lie about how they feel and unless you are Derren Brown or a mind reader, you will never know if they are lying or not, which makes detaining a person against their will very difficult to do unless the law is changed. It is sad what happened to Rita but sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions. In summary, I feel it is easy for people to comment on things they know nothing about. They see the tip of the iceberg. gazcar40
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9:26pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Pikey-Biker says...

gazcar40 wrote:
I am very upset by people blaming the mental health assessment team for failing this lady. They did not fail her. Every precaution and consideration is taken into account when assessing people in these situations and every effort is made to make sure people are safe. Sometimes people lie about how they feel and unless you are Derren Brown or a mind reader, you will never know if they are lying or not, which makes detaining a person against their will very difficult to do unless the law is changed. It is sad what happened to Rita but sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions. In summary, I feel it is easy for people to comment on things they know nothing about. They see the tip of the iceberg.
well said my friend.
[quote][p][bold]gazcar40[/bold] wrote: I am very upset by people blaming the mental health assessment team for failing this lady. They did not fail her. Every precaution and consideration is taken into account when assessing people in these situations and every effort is made to make sure people are safe. Sometimes people lie about how they feel and unless you are Derren Brown or a mind reader, you will never know if they are lying or not, which makes detaining a person against their will very difficult to do unless the law is changed. It is sad what happened to Rita but sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions. In summary, I feel it is easy for people to comment on things they know nothing about. They see the tip of the iceberg.[/p][/quote]well said my friend. Pikey-Biker
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9:38pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Pikey-Biker says...

Victoria Nye being a good example
Victoria Nye being a good example Pikey-Biker
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11:18pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Stephen J says...

Stillness wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
SotonLad wrote:
How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't.

The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous.
The police voluntarily referred the matter to the IPCC. This is standard procedure in circumstances like these.
Just because it's a standard procedure it doesn't make it a correct one.
True. But what makes it wrong?
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonLad[/bold] wrote: How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't. The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous.[/p][/quote]The police voluntarily referred the matter to the IPCC. This is standard procedure in circumstances like these.[/p][/quote]Just because it's a standard procedure it doesn't make it a correct one.[/p][/quote]True. But what makes it wrong? Stephen J
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11:40pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Stillness says...

Stephen J wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
SotonLad wrote:
How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't.

The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous.
The police voluntarily referred the matter to the IPCC. This is standard procedure in circumstances like these.
Just because it's a standard procedure it doesn't make it a correct one.
True. But what makes it wrong?
Why is it right to inform the IPCC about a decision not made by a police officer?
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonLad[/bold] wrote: How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't. The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous.[/p][/quote]The police voluntarily referred the matter to the IPCC. This is standard procedure in circumstances like these.[/p][/quote]Just because it's a standard procedure it doesn't make it a correct one.[/p][/quote]True. But what makes it wrong?[/p][/quote]Why is it right to inform the IPCC about a decision not made by a police officer? Stillness
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12:51am Thu 3 Jan 13

gazcar40 says...

ReverendPaul wrote:
Another Sad story about the lack of support offered to those in greatest need. For those who grieve at her loss and struggle to cope there is a dedicated support group locally for all those affected by the sudden death of a loved one/friend. www.sobshampshire.bt

ck.co.uk
Unfortunately you cant make people accept support they dont want! Perhaps it is better to keep opinions to ones self rather than look foolish commenting on things one doesnt know.
[quote][p][bold]ReverendPaul[/bold] wrote: Another Sad story about the lack of support offered to those in greatest need. For those who grieve at her loss and struggle to cope there is a dedicated support group locally for all those affected by the sudden death of a loved one/friend. www.sobshampshire.bt ck.co.uk[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you cant make people accept support they dont want! Perhaps it is better to keep opinions to ones self rather than look foolish commenting on things one doesnt know. gazcar40
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6:55am Thu 3 Jan 13

s e reader says...

****-Biker wrote:
gazcar40 wrote:
I am very upset by people blaming the mental health assessment team for failing this lady. They did not fail her. Every precaution and consideration is taken into account when assessing people in these situations and every effort is made to make sure people are safe. Sometimes people lie about how they feel and unless you are Derren Brown or a mind reader, you will never know if they are lying or not, which makes detaining a person against their will very difficult to do unless the law is changed. It is sad what happened to Rita but sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions. In summary, I feel it is easy for people to comment on things they know nothing about. They see the tip of the iceberg.
well said my friend.
I think it might be helpful to expand on the reference to saying that sometimes people lie. Speaking from personal experience it was 14 hours after I had been detained under s 136 before I was assessed. Prior to being detained, due to my distress, I had probably been awake for most of the preceeding 38 hours. At that point, I hardly knew which way was up and recognising or accepting the truth of my situation was nigh on impossible.

I quite accept that possibly some of the things I said may have been inaccurate but there does come a point where just maybe an individual is not responsible and their level of distress needs to be recognised.

It is indeed easy to sit and type at a screen removed from those days and feelings. Sadly though not all of us are without knowledge of the subject and, even more sadly, that can impact on a future willingness to seek help.
[quote][p][bold]****-Biker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gazcar40[/bold] wrote: I am very upset by people blaming the mental health assessment team for failing this lady. They did not fail her. Every precaution and consideration is taken into account when assessing people in these situations and every effort is made to make sure people are safe. Sometimes people lie about how they feel and unless you are Derren Brown or a mind reader, you will never know if they are lying or not, which makes detaining a person against their will very difficult to do unless the law is changed. It is sad what happened to Rita but sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions. In summary, I feel it is easy for people to comment on things they know nothing about. They see the tip of the iceberg.[/p][/quote]well said my friend.[/p][/quote]I think it might be helpful to expand on the reference to saying that sometimes people lie. Speaking from personal experience it was 14 hours after I had been detained under s 136 before I was assessed. Prior to being detained, due to my distress, I had probably been awake for most of the preceeding 38 hours. At that point, I hardly knew which way was up and recognising or accepting the truth of my situation was nigh on impossible. I quite accept that possibly some of the things I said may have been inaccurate but there does come a point where just maybe an individual is not responsible and their level of distress needs to be recognised. It is indeed easy to sit and type at a screen removed from those days and feelings. Sadly though not all of us are without knowledge of the subject and, even more sadly, that can impact on a future willingness to seek help. s e reader
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9:25am Thu 3 Jan 13

gazcar40 says...

s e reader wrote:
****-Biker wrote:
gazcar40 wrote:
I am very upset by people blaming the mental health assessment team for failing this lady. They did not fail her. Every precaution and consideration is taken into account when assessing people in these situations and every effort is made to make sure people are safe. Sometimes people lie about how they feel and unless you are Derren Brown or a mind reader, you will never know if they are lying or not, which makes detaining a person against their will very difficult to do unless the law is changed. It is sad what happened to Rita but sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions. In summary, I feel it is easy for people to comment on things they know nothing about. They see the tip of the iceberg.
well said my friend.
I think it might be helpful to expand on the reference to saying that sometimes people lie. Speaking from personal experience it was 14 hours after I had been detained under s 136 before I was assessed. Prior to being detained, due to my distress, I had probably been awake for most of the preceeding 38 hours. At that point, I hardly knew which way was up and recognising or accepting the truth of my situation was nigh on impossible.

I quite accept that possibly some of the things I said may have been inaccurate but there does come a point where just maybe an individual is not responsible and their level of distress needs to be recognised.

It is indeed easy to sit and type at a screen removed from those days and feelings. Sadly though not all of us are without knowledge of the subject and, even more sadly, that can impact on a future willingness to seek help.
People who are determined to end their lives say anything just to get out of a situation, and if they say all the right things it is impossile to detain that person. That is the law. Unless the law is changed this sort of incident will still happen. You just cant detain someone against their will if you do not have the evidence to back it up.

This lady was assessed and there were obviously no grounds to detain her or else they would have. I know as i have one experience in this process.
[quote][p][bold]s e reader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]****-Biker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gazcar40[/bold] wrote: I am very upset by people blaming the mental health assessment team for failing this lady. They did not fail her. Every precaution and consideration is taken into account when assessing people in these situations and every effort is made to make sure people are safe. Sometimes people lie about how they feel and unless you are Derren Brown or a mind reader, you will never know if they are lying or not, which makes detaining a person against their will very difficult to do unless the law is changed. It is sad what happened to Rita but sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions. In summary, I feel it is easy for people to comment on things they know nothing about. They see the tip of the iceberg.[/p][/quote]well said my friend.[/p][/quote]I think it might be helpful to expand on the reference to saying that sometimes people lie. Speaking from personal experience it was 14 hours after I had been detained under s 136 before I was assessed. Prior to being detained, due to my distress, I had probably been awake for most of the preceeding 38 hours. At that point, I hardly knew which way was up and recognising or accepting the truth of my situation was nigh on impossible. I quite accept that possibly some of the things I said may have been inaccurate but there does come a point where just maybe an individual is not responsible and their level of distress needs to be recognised. It is indeed easy to sit and type at a screen removed from those days and feelings. Sadly though not all of us are without knowledge of the subject and, even more sadly, that can impact on a future willingness to seek help.[/p][/quote]People who are determined to end their lives say anything just to get out of a situation, and if they say all the right things it is impossile to detain that person. That is the law. Unless the law is changed this sort of incident will still happen. You just cant detain someone against their will if you do not have the evidence to back it up. This lady was assessed and there were obviously no grounds to detain her or else they would have. I know as i have one experience in this process. gazcar40
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9:27am Thu 3 Jan 13

gazcar40 says...

gazcar40 wrote:
s e reader wrote:
****-Biker wrote:
gazcar40 wrote:
I am very upset by people blaming the mental health assessment team for failing this lady. They did not fail her. Every precaution and consideration is taken into account when assessing people in these situations and every effort is made to make sure people are safe. Sometimes people lie about how they feel and unless you are Derren Brown or a mind reader, you will never know if they are lying or not, which makes detaining a person against their will very difficult to do unless the law is changed. It is sad what happened to Rita but sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions. In summary, I feel it is easy for people to comment on things they know nothing about. They see the tip of the iceberg.
well said my friend.
I think it might be helpful to expand on the reference to saying that sometimes people lie. Speaking from personal experience it was 14 hours after I had been detained under s 136 before I was assessed. Prior to being detained, due to my distress, I had probably been awake for most of the preceeding 38 hours. At that point, I hardly knew which way was up and recognising or accepting the truth of my situation was nigh on impossible.

I quite accept that possibly some of the things I said may have been inaccurate but there does come a point where just maybe an individual is not responsible and their level of distress needs to be recognised.

It is indeed easy to sit and type at a screen removed from those days and feelings. Sadly though not all of us are without knowledge of the subject and, even more sadly, that can impact on a future willingness to seek help.
People who are determined to end their lives say anything just to get out of a situation, and if they say all the right things it is impossile to detain that person. That is the law. Unless the law is changed this sort of incident will still happen. You just cant detain someone against their will if you do not have the evidence to back it up.

This lady was assessed and there were obviously no grounds to detain her or else they would have. I know as i have one experience in this process.
Oops!....That should read "some experience in this process" !
[quote][p][bold]gazcar40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s e reader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]****-Biker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gazcar40[/bold] wrote: I am very upset by people blaming the mental health assessment team for failing this lady. They did not fail her. Every precaution and consideration is taken into account when assessing people in these situations and every effort is made to make sure people are safe. Sometimes people lie about how they feel and unless you are Derren Brown or a mind reader, you will never know if they are lying or not, which makes detaining a person against their will very difficult to do unless the law is changed. It is sad what happened to Rita but sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions. In summary, I feel it is easy for people to comment on things they know nothing about. They see the tip of the iceberg.[/p][/quote]well said my friend.[/p][/quote]I think it might be helpful to expand on the reference to saying that sometimes people lie. Speaking from personal experience it was 14 hours after I had been detained under s 136 before I was assessed. Prior to being detained, due to my distress, I had probably been awake for most of the preceeding 38 hours. At that point, I hardly knew which way was up and recognising or accepting the truth of my situation was nigh on impossible. I quite accept that possibly some of the things I said may have been inaccurate but there does come a point where just maybe an individual is not responsible and their level of distress needs to be recognised. It is indeed easy to sit and type at a screen removed from those days and feelings. Sadly though not all of us are without knowledge of the subject and, even more sadly, that can impact on a future willingness to seek help.[/p][/quote]People who are determined to end their lives say anything just to get out of a situation, and if they say all the right things it is impossile to detain that person. That is the law. Unless the law is changed this sort of incident will still happen. You just cant detain someone against their will if you do not have the evidence to back it up. This lady was assessed and there were obviously no grounds to detain her or else they would have. I know as i have one experience in this process.[/p][/quote]Oops!....That should read "some experience in this process" ! gazcar40
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10:08am Thu 3 Jan 13

s e reader says...

And therein lies the sadness behind all of this. Two commentators on different sides of the fence who have a less than satisfactory experience to report, yet the legal framework remains and the process continues.

Meanwhile a lady called Rita is so without hope she takes her own life.
And therein lies the sadness behind all of this. Two commentators on different sides of the fence who have a less than satisfactory experience to report, yet the legal framework remains and the process continues. Meanwhile a lady called Rita is so without hope she takes her own life. s e reader
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2:00pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Stephen J says...

Stillness wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
SotonLad wrote:
How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't.

The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous.
The police voluntarily referred the matter to the IPCC. This is standard procedure in circumstances like these.
Just because it's a standard procedure it doesn't make it a correct one.
True. But what makes it wrong?
Why is it right to inform the IPCC about a decision not made by a police officer?
The fact is that someone had been in police custody and was dead soon afterwards. It is quite reasonable that the police would therefore want a full and independent investigation into exactly what happened and the circumstances surrounding it, hence the voluntary referral. If the death had occurred while in police custody the referral to the IPCC would have been mandatory even if no complaint had been made.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonLad[/bold] wrote: How much time and resources are now going to wasted investigating the police over this? They did their job and detained this woman. She was assessed by the experts who said she was fine. She wasn't. The police did what they were supposed and yet they are now being investigated. Rediculous.[/p][/quote]The police voluntarily referred the matter to the IPCC. This is standard procedure in circumstances like these.[/p][/quote]Just because it's a standard procedure it doesn't make it a correct one.[/p][/quote]True. But what makes it wrong?[/p][/quote]Why is it right to inform the IPCC about a decision not made by a police officer?[/p][/quote]The fact is that someone had been in police custody and was dead soon afterwards. It is quite reasonable that the police would therefore want a full and independent investigation into exactly what happened and the circumstances surrounding it, hence the voluntary referral. If the death had occurred while in police custody the referral to the IPCC would have been mandatory even if no complaint had been made. Stephen J
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