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Bus passengers face cuts to services
7:19am Thursday 3rd January 2013 in News
Bus passengers face cuts to services
KEY bus routes across Southampton could be axed in the evening or ditched all together because of the city council’s cost-cutting plans.
Shift workers, hospital visitors and patients, students and pensioners would all be hit by the proposed changes.
Routes affected include the Uni-link U6, linking Southampton University and the city centre to Southampton General.
This would see funding removed for evening services Monday to Saturday after 8pm and all day Sundays and bank holidays.
Under plans subsidies would be axed for services after 8pm, and 6pm on Sunday and bank holidays, on First’s 2, 2A, 3, 8, 8A and 9 routes.
Its S1 and Velvet S2 would be combined into a single service running from Lordshill to Freemantle every 90 minutes.
But the Bluestar P1 faces complete withdrawal.
Southampton city bosses hope cutting the subsidies for those services will save £400,000.
The plan is part of the deepest round of cuts ever made across council services, including libraries, youth clubs and older people’s benefits, in a bid to save £20m in the next year.
Councillor Asa Thorpe, Southampton City Council’s Cabinet member for environment and transport, said: “The proposals to end subsidies for some bus routes in the city have been put forward to help the council find savings needed to close an unprecedented budget gap in the next financial year.
“The council is in ongoing discussions with the bus companies to determine which routes that are currently subsidised are used the most, and consider those which could have the subsidy removed to contribute to the savings.
“If a subsidy is removed this doesn’t necessarily mean that the route will cease to operate as the bus companies may choose to continue to run the service commercially.
“I’d encourage residents to comment on the proposals through the budget consultation so that we can ensure that we’re taking on board as many ideas and views as possible.”
But Conservative environment and transport spokesman Cllr Dan Fitzhenry said the cuts went too far and communities would be devastated.
He said: “The impact will be across the city on people who rely on it as their main form of transport - people working in the evening, young and old going out to people trying to make appointments.”
Rebel councillor Don Thomas, who has formed the breakaway group Labour Councillors Against The Cuts, said: “This going to affect absolutely everyone.
“It is going to stop elderly people going out in the evening. It will affect children and young people going to the pictures or into town, it will affect mothers and fathers.
“Not everyone in the city have cars, especially in the area in which I live and we depend on the bus, including me.
“The service at present is bad enough as it is and cutting it back further would be devastating, especially for elderly people who will miss out on their evening social activities and become prisoners in their own home.”
Andrew Wickham, managing director of Bluestar, said the firm did not yet know the full impact any cut to subsidies would have.
He said: “All I can say is that we will do our best to maintain our network and Uni-Link services we operate for the University, and not make a knee jerk reaction to any loss of subsidy.
But we did see Bluestar’s fuel bill increase with an additional £433,000 tax on fuel when the Government reduced the Bus Service Operators Grant last April. Whilst we would like to expand services the removal of subsidies of any size makes it difficult as we continue to face rising operating costs.”
No one from First was available for comment.
A consultation process on the cuts is under way until February.
Comments(75)
Norwegian Saint
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7:35am Thu 3 Jan 13
So, due to the bus company I never saw my girlfriend for 2 days a week!
loosehead
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7:54am Thu 3 Jan 13
17 has disappeared from Lower Brownhill.why? they blame it on the parents blocking the road dropping the kids off at Holy Family many live so close yet still drive.
We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ?
What happened? did they know that was total lies?
surely aren't we suppose to be encouraging people to use the buses?
What's the point of OAP's having bus passes if there's no buses?
Just A Voice
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8:35am Thu 3 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ? What happened? Eric Pickles inflicted increased budgets cuts to Southampton City Council is one answer, even the Tories would have had to have made cuts given what has happened since the local election last year.
This is the same party that kicked up when one service was altered & they called it terrible as Lordshill would have no bus services?
17 has disappeared from Lower Brownhill.why? they blame it on the parents blocking the road dropping the kids off at Holy Family many live so close yet still drive.
We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ?
What happened? did they know that was total lies?
surely aren't we suppose to be encouraging people to use the buses?
What's the point of OAP's having bus passes if there's no buses?
so'tongirl
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8:48am Thu 3 Jan 13
My friend works late shifts on the buses in southampton. The fares taken during the evening most certainly DO NOT cover his wages. Not many use the buses in the evenings if they did this wouldn't be happening. Can not wait for all the moaners to comment!
AndyAndrews
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9:15am Thu 3 Jan 13
Nicole23
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10:04am Thu 3 Jan 13
I hope he is enjoying his post Christmas holiday in the sun while we are all trying to get to and from work.
The comments his partner made about the populous of Southampton seem to sum up his attitude to hard working people who pay their taxes.
I would like to know how much it cost to make the Civic clock tower glow red all over Christmas.
loosehead
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10:24am Thu 3 Jan 13
Just A Voice wrote:Wait a minute & get it right, the Tories cut pay they had an agreement with the Isle Of wight which would save both councils millions & what did Williams do as soon as he took over?
loosehead wrote:We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ? What happened? Eric Pickles inflicted increased budgets cuts to Southampton City Council is one answer, even the Tories would have had to have made cuts given what has happened since the local election last year.
This is the same party that kicked up when one service was altered & they called it terrible as Lordshill would have no bus services?
17 has disappeared from Lower Brownhill.why? they blame it on the parents blocking the road dropping the kids off at Holy Family many live so close yet still drive.
We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ?
What happened? did they know that was total lies?
surely aren't we suppose to be encouraging people to use the buses?
What's the point of OAP's having bus passes if there's no buses?
they all knew approximately what the cuts to this city would be so why restore the pay? why stop the agreement with the Island?
Let's not forget under a Tory administration a Grant application was made to keep weekly bin collections Labour hiked up the amount wanted & in Parliament the Tory Mp ( Caroline Nookes) plus our local Tory councillors fought to get it approved or else we would have fortnightly collections .
I wonder why the council didn't continue down the path of making bus pass holders contribute towards the fare?
Now more cars on the road? OH! they're talking of charging to park in Shirley so they need more cars to bring in revenue don't they?
Torchie1
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10:41am Thu 3 Jan 13
Norwegian Saint wrote:There was an hourly service between Hythe and Lymington that used to stop at Beaulieu before meandering through the back roads of East Boldre etc before it eventually passed Elmers Court and crossed over the Toll Bridge and up to the bus station. This was how I used travel between the two towns and I wasn't restricted to twice a week.
When I lived in the New Forest village of Beaulieu we only had 1 bus on a Tuesday and 1 on a Thursday...
So, due to the bus company I never saw my girlfriend for 2 days a week!
davel_cats
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10:43am Thu 3 Jan 13
Also, why don't they have minibusses like they do in some continental countries? Surely they must use less fuel than the normal size busses?
bazzeroz
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10:56am Thu 3 Jan 13
bazzeroz
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10:57am Thu 3 Jan 13
Lone Ranger.
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11:05am Thu 3 Jan 13
Nicole23 wrote:The Itchen Bridge "fiasco" was set up by the Tories. They wanted to collect toll money via automation not manually.
I'm not liking Asa Thorpe much. He seems to have a total disregard for working people in the city especially with the chaos he is causing on Itchen Bridge.
I hope he is enjoying his post Christmas holiday in the sun while we are all trying to get to and from work.
The comments his partner made about the populous of Southampton seem to sum up his attitude to hard working people who pay their taxes.
I would like to know how much it cost to make the Civic clock tower glow red all over Christmas.
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Where does it say that Thorpe in on a post Xmas holiday in the sun ?
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Do you object to public employees having a holiday.
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His partner/wife DID NOT make comments re the "populous" of Southampton ....... The Echo printed the story to that effect for political reasons..
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As regards the clock ........ make some enquiries to the Civic if you are that interested or concerned ..... then you can let us know
loosehead
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11:22am Thu 3 Jan 13
none of these ideas were/are Tory ideas yet a certain Labour supporter seems to think all the problems of this city were/are the Tories fault?
If the Toll booths being automated were/are such a bad idea why haven't Labour removed them? Why haven't Labour restored the operators?
Why haven't Labour looked at putting on a set price on all bus pass holders journeys to bring in revenue to keep the services?
Votes that's why.
Put more people into cars charge to park in all council car parks & then you can cover the next phase of council workers pay restoration keeping Labours masters ( the Unions) happy
Just A Voice
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11:36am Thu 3 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:Decisions need to made in light of budget cuts.
Just A Voice wrote:Wait a minute & get it right, the Tories cut pay they had an agreement with the Isle Of wight which would save both councils millions & what did Williams do as soon as he took over?
loosehead wrote:We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ? What happened? Eric Pickles inflicted increased budgets cuts to Southampton City Council is one answer, even the Tories would have had to have made cuts given what has happened since the local election last year.
This is the same party that kicked up when one service was altered & they called it terrible as Lordshill would have no bus services?
17 has disappeared from Lower Brownhill.why? they blame it on the parents blocking the road dropping the kids off at Holy Family many live so close yet still drive.
We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ?
What happened? did they know that was total lies?
surely aren't we suppose to be encouraging people to use the buses?
What's the point of OAP's having bus passes if there's no buses?
they all knew approximately what the cuts to this city would be so why restore the pay? why stop the agreement with the Island?
Let's not forget under a Tory administration a Grant application was made to keep weekly bin collections Labour hiked up the amount wanted & in Parliament the Tory Mp ( Caroline Nookes) plus our local Tory councillors fought to get it approved or else we would have fortnightly collections .
I wonder why the council didn't continue down the path of making bus pass holders contribute towards the fare?
Now more cars on the road? OH! they're talking of charging to park in Shirley so they need more cars to bring in revenue don't they?
The Tory Government didn't announce the exact amount of money the city would receive until Christmas Eve, One wonders why,,,,burying bad news under the banner of Christmas.
Would you recommend the local authority subsidies private national companies such as First? Why not give subsidies to all companies in Southampton
Before you start saying it's all down to Labour, the Tories cut subsidies to bus companies last year and the year before,,,the 19 service from Millbrook via City Centre & Bitterne to Thornhill was withdrawn completely,,,due to the subsidy being cut by the Tory led council.
Just A Voice
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11:50am Thu 3 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:Charging to park in Shirley,,, what about Angel Crescent car park in Bitterne,,,,a closer to home for you isn't it?
Just A Voice wrote:Wait a minute & get it right, the Tories cut pay they had an agreement with the Isle Of wight which would save both councils millions & what did Williams do as soon as he took over?
loosehead wrote:We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ? What happened? Eric Pickles inflicted increased budgets cuts to Southampton City Council is one answer, even the Tories would have had to have made cuts given what has happened since the local election last year.
This is the same party that kicked up when one service was altered & they called it terrible as Lordshill would have no bus services?
17 has disappeared from Lower Brownhill.why? they blame it on the parents blocking the road dropping the kids off at Holy Family many live so close yet still drive.
We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ?
What happened? did they know that was total lies?
surely aren't we suppose to be encouraging people to use the buses?
What's the point of OAP's having bus passes if there's no buses?
they all knew approximately what the cuts to this city would be so why restore the pay? why stop the agreement with the Island?
Let's not forget under a Tory administration a Grant application was made to keep weekly bin collections Labour hiked up the amount wanted & in Parliament the Tory Mp ( Caroline Nookes) plus our local Tory councillors fought to get it approved or else we would have fortnightly collections .
I wonder why the council didn't continue down the path of making bus pass holders contribute towards the fare?
Now more cars on the road? OH! they're talking of charging to park in Shirley so they need more cars to bring in revenue don't they?
Did you or have you taken part in the any of the consultation regarding the budget cuts? Proposal have been made, people have been asked, decision need to be made, plain and simple, at least people are being made aware of the changes.
Did the Tories inform you of disastrous deal the struck with Capita, did they not tell you (along with me) that Sea City wouldn't cost us a penny, Labour may not have all the answers probably why they're asking residents to contribute, unlike the know it all, cost us millions, Tory leader Royston Smith, who wouldn't let any of his Councillors have a say, apart from Jeremy Moulton
kingnotail
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11:55am Thu 3 Jan 13
kingnotail
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11:58am Thu 3 Jan 13
Gumbo82
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12:11pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Linesman
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12:33pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Margaret Thatcher said that there had to be competition, because that would improve service, and keep costs down.
Well, we have seen what privatisation has done for efficiency and keeping fares down on the railways, and bus Companies have replaced bus SERVICE.
The privatised railways are still being bailed out by us, the taxpayers, while they milk the passengers and pay a dividend to their shareholders.
Similarly the bus companies.
The annoying thing is, Thatcher's government raked in £Billions by selling us things that we already owned eg BT, Electricty, Gas, North Sea Oil etc etc etc and yet we had nothing to show for it.
If that money had been ploughed into a schoo and hospital building programme, there would have been no need for PFI.
Oh! I forgot. They lost £Billions on Black Wednesday.
southy
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12:34pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Now lets get this right, these meetings of consultations on cuts was not open to all the public, it was a limited invite only. I know I turned up to 2 of the meetings my self uninvited and other members of the SP turned up at the other meeetings in there areas unvited.
I got hold of the compleat maps and writing plans for the whole city and council planned cuts.
good-gosh
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12:34pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Niel
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12:38pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Nicole23 wrote:Oh I wish I'd known, a photo of that superimposed on a photo of that 'labia tower' lit up pink in smuff would be good for a laugh!
I'm not liking Asa Thorpe much. He seems to have a total disregard for working people in the city especially with the chaos he is causing on Itchen Bridge.
I hope he is enjoying his post Christmas holiday in the sun while we are all trying to get to and from work.
The comments his partner made about the populous of Southampton seem to sum up his attitude to hard working people who pay their taxes.
I would like to know how much it cost to make the Civic clock tower glow red all over Christmas.
southy
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12:45pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Torchie1 wrote:So you was here in the 80's then Tourchie and not behind the Iron curtain like you said you was.
Norwegian Saint wrote:There was an hourly service between Hythe and Lymington that used to stop at Beaulieu before meandering through the back roads of East Boldre etc before it eventually passed Elmers Court and crossed over the Toll Bridge and up to the bus station. This was how I used travel between the two towns and I wasn't restricted to twice a week.
When I lived in the New Forest village of Beaulieu we only had 1 bus on a Tuesday and 1 on a Thursday...
So, due to the bus company I never saw my girlfriend for 2 days a week!
The service across the Toll Bridge ended in 1988.
southy
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12:51pm Thu 3 Jan 13
good-gosh wrote:The idea behind the Torys is to cut jobs so they can put more money into the wages of the boards that Councillors sit on, making there wage per year above an average wage all for sitting on a board meeting like the Fire service for 1 day a mth, and the Labour Party as joined the Torys in how much can I put in my own pocket at the cost of the tax payers.
Labour councils love a regular dose of civic chaos. After all, stability and good order is the mark of the Tories and the lefties can't go round displaying any of that sort of thing.
Zeo
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12:51pm Thu 3 Jan 13
CHARLIE TAYLOR
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12:58pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Just returned to Soton from zante and to my amazement they have stopped the route from top of Hill Lane to the railway station,it takes 40 mins to get to town on the hourly service, can walk faster! no service after 5-40pm nor sundays, what a joke, the fare is more expensive than a taxi, for two. So much for green progress! gone and bought a car !!
Torchie1
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2:12pm Thu 3 Jan 13
southy wrote:I'm fairly certain that the 112 bus ran well past the 1980s. A point that was probably lost on you is that socialism/communism in Eastern Europe didn't collapse until 1989 when the oppressed people rose up against the various tyrants that ruled over them. Following this freedom they realised that wealth could be created by allowing western companies to relocate on favourable terms which a lot of people including myself did in the 1990s. Is this clear enough for you ?
Torchie1 wrote:So you was here in the 80's then Tourchie and not behind the Iron curtain like you said you was.
Norwegian Saint wrote:There was an hourly service between Hythe and Lymington that used to stop at Beaulieu before meandering through the back roads of East Boldre etc before it eventually passed Elmers Court and crossed over the Toll Bridge and up to the bus station. This was how I used travel between the two towns and I wasn't restricted to twice a week.
When I lived in the New Forest village of Beaulieu we only had 1 bus on a Tuesday and 1 on a Thursday...
So, due to the bus company I never saw my girlfriend for 2 days a week!
The service across the Toll Bridge ended in 1988.
southy
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2:39pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Torchie1 wrote:1988 was the last time a bus traveled across the Toll Bridge, the bridge was closed part of that year for repairs and busses never went across it again when it reopened, they kept to the by-pass route.
southy wrote:I'm fairly certain that the 112 bus ran well past the 1980s. A point that was probably lost on you is that socialism/communism in Eastern Europe didn't collapse until 1989 when the oppressed people rose up against the various tyrants that ruled over them. Following this freedom they realised that wealth could be created by allowing western companies to relocate on favourable terms which a lot of people including myself did in the 1990s. Is this clear enough for you ?
Torchie1 wrote:So you was here in the 80's then Tourchie and not behind the Iron curtain like you said you was.
Norwegian Saint wrote:There was an hourly service between Hythe and Lymington that used to stop at Beaulieu before meandering through the back roads of East Boldre etc before it eventually passed Elmers Court and crossed over the Toll Bridge and up to the bus station. This was how I used travel between the two towns and I wasn't restricted to twice a week.
When I lived in the New Forest village of Beaulieu we only had 1 bus on a Tuesday and 1 on a Thursday...
So, due to the bus company I never saw my girlfriend for 2 days a week!
The service across the Toll Bridge ended in 1988.
So your still avoiding that you said you lived behind the Capitalist Communist Iron Curtain before it all came down and yet you now say that you use to use the bus service across the toll bridge, when the service had stop before before the iron curin came down
southy
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2:41pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Zeo wrote:Yes those old city and national bus service was the best bus service we had
So what was the point of privatizing the buses if all we do is pay the companies to run the service... all backwards.
kingnotail
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2:42pm Thu 3 Jan 13
sotonmum
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2:45pm Thu 3 Jan 13
loosehead
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2:53pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Just A Voice wrote:As I live in Lordshill Shirley is closer! As I'm not a Union convener I'm not privy to sit in & help make budget decisions.
loosehead wrote:Charging to park in Shirley,,, what about Angel Crescent car park in Bitterne,,,,a closer to home for you isn't it?
Just A Voice wrote:Wait a minute & get it right, the Tories cut pay they had an agreement with the Isle Of wight which would save both councils millions & what did Williams do as soon as he took over?
loosehead wrote:We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ? What happened? Eric Pickles inflicted increased budgets cuts to Southampton City Council is one answer, even the Tories would have had to have made cuts given what has happened since the local election last year.
This is the same party that kicked up when one service was altered & they called it terrible as Lordshill would have no bus services?
17 has disappeared from Lower Brownhill.why? they blame it on the parents blocking the road dropping the kids off at Holy Family many live so close yet still drive.
We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ?
What happened? did they know that was total lies?
surely aren't we suppose to be encouraging people to use the buses?
What's the point of OAP's having bus passes if there's no buses?
they all knew approximately what the cuts to this city would be so why restore the pay? why stop the agreement with the Island?
Let's not forget under a Tory administration a Grant application was made to keep weekly bin collections Labour hiked up the amount wanted & in Parliament the Tory Mp ( Caroline Nookes) plus our local Tory councillors fought to get it approved or else we would have fortnightly collections .
I wonder why the council didn't continue down the path of making bus pass holders contribute towards the fare?
Now more cars on the road? OH! they're talking of charging to park in Shirley so they need more cars to bring in revenue don't they?
Did you or have you taken part in the any of the consultation regarding the budget cuts? Proposal have been made, people have been asked, decision need to be made, plain and simple, at least people are being made aware of the changes.
Did the Tories inform you of disastrous deal the struck with Capita, did they not tell you (along with me) that Sea City wouldn't cost us a penny, Labour may not have all the answers probably why they're asking residents to contribute, unlike the know it all, cost us millions, Tory leader Royston Smith, who wouldn't let any of his Councillors have a say, apart from Jeremy Moulton
Capita has at least ensured those workers jobs which is more than Labour would have done.
Not letting his councillors speak besides Moulton? So Paul Holmes didn't speak Hannides never spoke?
So Williams lies at the beginning to get to power then his lies about Morrel with the rest lying to back him up isn't that bad then?
What about the idiots who came on here & blamed Royston of staging the Submarine tragedy to gain votes?
Get it right the people of this city are waking up to the fact they w3ere blatantly lied to before the election & are still being lied to by Labour
loosehead
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2:53pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Just A Voice wrote:As I live in Lordshill Shirley is closer! As I'm not a Union convener I'm not privy to sit in & help make budget decisions.
loosehead wrote:Charging to park in Shirley,,, what about Angel Crescent car park in Bitterne,,,,a closer to home for you isn't it?
Just A Voice wrote:Wait a minute & get it right, the Tories cut pay they had an agreement with the Isle Of wight which would save both councils millions & what did Williams do as soon as he took over?
loosehead wrote:We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ? What happened? Eric Pickles inflicted increased budgets cuts to Southampton City Council is one answer, even the Tories would have had to have made cuts given what has happened since the local election last year.
This is the same party that kicked up when one service was altered & they called it terrible as Lordshill would have no bus services?
17 has disappeared from Lower Brownhill.why? they blame it on the parents blocking the road dropping the kids off at Holy Family many live so close yet still drive.
We were told The Tories Would Cut Services but Not Us ?
What happened? did they know that was total lies?
surely aren't we suppose to be encouraging people to use the buses?
What's the point of OAP's having bus passes if there's no buses?
they all knew approximately what the cuts to this city would be so why restore the pay? why stop the agreement with the Island?
Let's not forget under a Tory administration a Grant application was made to keep weekly bin collections Labour hiked up the amount wanted & in Parliament the Tory Mp ( Caroline Nookes) plus our local Tory councillors fought to get it approved or else we would have fortnightly collections .
I wonder why the council didn't continue down the path of making bus pass holders contribute towards the fare?
Now more cars on the road? OH! they're talking of charging to park in Shirley so they need more cars to bring in revenue don't they?
Did you or have you taken part in the any of the consultation regarding the budget cuts? Proposal have been made, people have been asked, decision need to be made, plain and simple, at least people are being made aware of the changes.
Did the Tories inform you of disastrous deal the struck with Capita, did they not tell you (along with me) that Sea City wouldn't cost us a penny, Labour may not have all the answers probably why they're asking residents to contribute, unlike the know it all, cost us millions, Tory leader Royston Smith, who wouldn't let any of his Councillors have a say, apart from Jeremy Moulton
Capita has at least ensured those workers jobs which is more than Labour would have done.
Not letting his councillors speak besides Moulton? So Paul Holmes didn't speak Hannides never spoke?
So Williams lies at the beginning to get to power then his lies about Morrel with the rest lying to back him up isn't that bad then?
What about the idiots who came on here & blamed Royston of staging the Submarine tragedy to gain votes?
Get it right the people of this city are waking up to the fact they w3ere blatantly lied to before the election & are still being lied to by Labour
Just A Voice
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2:53pm Thu 3 Jan 13
southy wrote:I know at least 100 community representative were invited to attend one of the consultation, the attendance was 6 people, one of those uninvited.
“I’d encourage residents to comment on the proposals through the budget consultation so that we can ensure that we’re taking on board as many ideas and views as possible.”
Now lets get this right, these meetings of consultations on cuts was not open to all the public, it was a limited invite only. I know I turned up to 2 of the meetings my self uninvited and other members of the SP turned up at the other meeetings in there areas unvited.
I got hold of the compleat maps and writing plans for the whole city and council planned cuts.
You cannot blame the council for invited people who do not attend, you say you have a map of the whole city and council planned cuts,,,,I believe they're proposals not plans,,,,the consultation continues until February, I attended a consultation meeting in ealry December,,,,the Government didn't inform the council of the budget funding until 24th December so how can the council make cuts until they know the budget????
loosehead
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3:01pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Just A Voice wrote:So how did the Tories get the figure bang on & even published it in this paper?
southy wrote:I know at least 100 community representative were invited to attend one of the consultation, the attendance was 6 people, one of those uninvited.
“I’d encourage residents to comment on the proposals through the budget consultation so that we can ensure that we’re taking on board as many ideas and views as possible.”
Now lets get this right, these meetings of consultations on cuts was not open to all the public, it was a limited invite only. I know I turned up to 2 of the meetings my self uninvited and other members of the SP turned up at the other meeetings in there areas unvited.
I got hold of the compleat maps and writing plans for the whole city and council planned cuts.
You cannot blame the council for invited people who do not attend, you say you have a map of the whole city and council planned cuts,,,,I believe they're proposals not plans,,,,the consultation continues until February, I attended a consultation meeting in ealry December,,,,the Government didn't inform the council of the budget funding until 24th December so how can the council make cuts until they know the budget????
So you defender of Williams liars exactly how severe would these cuts have been if the Tory council hadn't applied for a weekly collection grant which your beloved Labour council increased?
If the Tory council had not applied for said grant the Labour council would have had to put in a late bid which they might not have got yet I see no credit from you going to the tories for saving all those binmens jobs?
As it is through the grant our cuts aren't as severe as the tory council had budgeted for so why all these cuts?
Pay restoration by any chance have anything to do with it?
southy
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3:19pm Thu 3 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:I will point out to you that the consultation period as endded, the meeting in the Civic Center which I attended was the last one.
Just A Voice wrote:So how did the Tories get the figure bang on & even published it in this paper?
southy wrote:I know at least 100 community representative were invited to attend one of the consultation, the attendance was 6 people, one of those uninvited.
“I’d encourage residents to comment on the proposals through the budget consultation so that we can ensure that we’re taking on board as many ideas and views as possible.”
Now lets get this right, these meetings of consultations on cuts was not open to all the public, it was a limited invite only. I know I turned up to 2 of the meetings my self uninvited and other members of the SP turned up at the other meeetings in there areas unvited.
I got hold of the compleat maps and writing plans for the whole city and council planned cuts.
You cannot blame the council for invited people who do not attend, you say you have a map of the whole city and council planned cuts,,,,I believe they're proposals not plans,,,,the consultation continues until February, I attended a consultation meeting in ealry December,,,,the Government didn't inform the council of the budget funding until 24th December so how can the council make cuts until they know the budget????
So you defender of Williams liars exactly how severe would these cuts have been if the Tory council hadn't applied for a weekly collection grant which your beloved Labour council increased?
If the Tory council had not applied for said grant the Labour council would have had to put in a late bid which they might not have got yet I see no credit from you going to the tories for saving all those binmens jobs?
As it is through the grant our cuts aren't as severe as the tory council had budgeted for so why all these cuts?
Pay restoration by any chance have anything to do with it?
And it was ask when would the council have an open public consultation there was no reply every time it was ask.
100 community representative, allowed 1 or 2 people from each group all over the city, (thats not many people with a city population about 1/4 of a million). When its is invites only then its not an open public consultation like the council called it, lets have a real open public cuts consutation book a the hall in the civic to have the meeting and open it up to all the people to come if they wish to, Dont you think that would be best councillor. (and yes I do know)
Stephen J
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3:58pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Gumbo82
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4:22pm Thu 3 Jan 13
kingnotail wrote:Have you not seen our new enviro buses costing over a million? and more new buses are on there way.First buses are better maintained than a lot of other operator buses
You'd hope that with the west coast mainline fiasco, First group's days would be numbered. In my experience, Stagecoach do a much better job with buses than First, more services, newer and cleaner buses, later running times, lower fares.
Donald2000
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5:02pm Thu 3 Jan 13
davel_cats wrote:Well said, you attention seeking Tory troll. Actually I have paid my own bus fares from the age of 5 to 61, so yes, I do think I am entitled to a free bus pass - nasty little person that you are.
Nothing in life is free - some people think it is their 'right' to a free bus pass and then moan when there isn't enough money to pay for the busses. Everyone should have to contribute something for their bus ride.
Also, why don't they have minibusses like they do in some continental countries? Surely they must use less fuel than the normal size busses?
Torchie1
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5:26pm Thu 3 Jan 13
southy wrote:Are you terminally stupid? At no time have I ever said I lived nor have I ever lived in Prague under the communists because I wouldn't want to and the old communist/socialist rulers wouldn't allow the free movement of westerners before they were chucked out on their ear. I can't see anything that I wrote that suggests when I used this bus route and all I can think is that you've created another fantasy story to wind yourself up again. Try to read things slowly and make sure you fully understand what's been written before you put your foot in your mouth, again.
Torchie1 wrote:1988 was the last time a bus traveled across the Toll Bridge, the bridge was closed part of that year for repairs and busses never went across it again when it reopened, they kept to the by-pass route.
southy wrote:I'm fairly certain that the 112 bus ran well past the 1980s. A point that was probably lost on you is that socialism/communism in Eastern Europe didn't collapse until 1989 when the oppressed people rose up against the various tyrants that ruled over them. Following this freedom they realised that wealth could be created by allowing western companies to relocate on favourable terms which a lot of people including myself did in the 1990s. Is this clear enough for you ?
Torchie1 wrote:So you was here in the 80's then Tourchie and not behind the Iron curtain like you said you was.
Norwegian Saint wrote:There was an hourly service between Hythe and Lymington that used to stop at Beaulieu before meandering through the back roads of East Boldre etc before it eventually passed Elmers Court and crossed over the Toll Bridge and up to the bus station. This was how I used travel between the two towns and I wasn't restricted to twice a week.
When I lived in the New Forest village of Beaulieu we only had 1 bus on a Tuesday and 1 on a Thursday...
So, due to the bus company I never saw my girlfriend for 2 days a week!
The service across the Toll Bridge ended in 1988.
So your still avoiding that you said you lived behind the Capitalist Communist Iron Curtain before it all came down and yet you now say that you use to use the bus service across the toll bridge, when the service had stop before before the iron curin came down
kingnotail
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5:41pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Gumbo82 wrote:And the chance of these enviro buses being used in Southampton in the next decade? More likely they'll be in the big cities. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to big up Stagecoach or anything (I would like to see bus services renationalised), it's just in my experience Stagecoach provide a much better service than first. In fact, the only time I've thought First were anything better than abysmal is on the buses in Bristol and on the Transpennine express rail network.
kingnotail wrote:Have you not seen our new enviro buses costing over a million? and more new buses are on there way.First buses are better maintained than a lot of other operator buses
You'd hope that with the west coast mainline fiasco, First group's days would be numbered. In my experience, Stagecoach do a much better job with buses than First, more services, newer and cleaner buses, later running times, lower fares.
bigfella777
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5:55pm Thu 3 Jan 13
To hell with public safety.
Gumbo82
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6:01pm Thu 3 Jan 13
kingnotail wrote:They are already on the number 7 route, to be fair any bus company has so much to fight against these days it's a thankless task.My company do try it's best regardless of what the public think!
Gumbo82 wrote:And the chance of these enviro buses being used in Southampton in the next decade? More likely they'll be in the big cities. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to big up Stagecoach or anything (I would like to see bus services renationalised), it's just in my experience Stagecoach provide a much better service than first. In fact, the only time I've thought First were anything better than abysmal is on the buses in Bristol and on the Transpennine express rail network.
kingnotail wrote:Have you not seen our new enviro buses costing over a million? and more new buses are on there way.First buses are better maintained than a lot of other operator buses
You'd hope that with the west coast mainline fiasco, First group's days would be numbered. In my experience, Stagecoach do a much better job with buses than First, more services, newer and cleaner buses, later running times, lower fares.
Donald2000
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6:21pm Thu 3 Jan 13
bigfella777 wrote:Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead.
To hell with public safety.
thinklikealocal
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7:28pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:I think you'll find it's the younger citizens who are being shat on. Where did a ripe old 61 year old get such a sense of public entitlement from? You have not paid for a free bus pass or winter fuel allowance all your life, they've only been around a few years!
bigfella777 wrote: That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead. To hell with public safety.Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
Donald2000
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8:01pm Thu 3 Jan 13
thinklikealocal wrote:Through 34 years of National Insurance contributions. Wind your neck in. Oh and plus 6 years of Higher Education.
Donald2000 wrote:I think you'll find it's the younger citizens who are being shat on. Where did a ripe old 61 year old get such a sense of public entitlement from? You have not paid for a free bus pass or winter fuel allowance all your life, they've only been around a few years!
bigfella777 wrote: That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead. To hell with public safety.Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
Pillock.
Donald2000
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8:04pm Thu 3 Jan 13
thinklikealocal
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8:34pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a pillock? Well that 6 years of higher education was clearly wasted on you....
thinklikealocal wrote:Through 34 years of National Insurance contributions. Wind your neck in. Oh and plus 6 years of Higher Education. Pillock.Donald2000 wrote:I think you'll find it's the younger citizens who are being shat on. Where did a ripe old 61 year old get such a sense of public entitlement from? You have not paid for a free bus pass or winter fuel allowance all your life, they've only been around a few years!bigfella777 wrote: That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead. To hell with public safety.Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
Donald2000
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9:03pm Thu 3 Jan 13
thinklikealocal wrote:No, your post is spiteful, ill thought out and wasteful of words. Plus, you are clearly a troll who does not have a brain cell, or any original thoughts of his or her own, who takes a delight in taking the mickey out of honest contributors on here, who are affronted at the council's plans for the bus service. Now get back to your dustbin, or where-ever it is you crawled out from. Troll.
Donald2000 wrote:So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a pillock? Well that 6 years of higher education was clearly wasted on you....
thinklikealocal wrote:Through 34 years of National Insurance contributions. Wind your neck in. Oh and plus 6 years of Higher Education. Pillock.Donald2000 wrote:I think you'll find it's the younger citizens who are being shat on. Where did a ripe old 61 year old get such a sense of public entitlement from? You have not paid for a free bus pass or winter fuel allowance all your life, they've only been around a few years!bigfella777 wrote: That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead. To hell with public safety.Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
loosehead
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9:17pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:Look I've got nothing against low income pensioners getting bus passes but some are on more money than people in work so what we give them all free transport?
thinklikealocal wrote:Through 34 years of National Insurance contributions. Wind your neck in. Oh and plus 6 years of Higher Education.
Donald2000 wrote:I think you'll find it's the younger citizens who are being shat on. Where did a ripe old 61 year old get such a sense of public entitlement from? You have not paid for a free bus pass or winter fuel allowance all your life, they've only been around a few years!
bigfella777 wrote: That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead. To hell with public safety.Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
Pillock.
As I've said on other posts after talking to pensioners many would quite happily pay say 20p to travel on the busses they would rather have regular busses than none at all so why not put into place a very low set rate for bus pass holders?
I don't remember being told that by paying N.I stamp I'd be getting free TV licenses & free Bus travel etc; ?
So I've lost two brothers before they drew their pensions so can they claim the money back if they & you did indeed pay towards this?
I don't agree with thinklikealocal often but on this I don't think she's far off the mark.
Universal payments in this country have gone to far.
In a country where we need to pay off the debt we have people not using family allowance to feed & clothe children but to pay for holidays?
We have OAP's financially well off getting the same allowances that were put in place to protect the not so well off how's this fair?
Sort this mess out & maybe the cut's won't have to be so deep no matter who's in power or shall we carry on saying "So what I'm entitled to it so I'm having it"
I for one have 4 years to go before I'm 60 & if I'm alive & entitled to a free bus pass but can afford to run a car I won't take up my bus pass will all those who can afford to get around not take up their pass?
Donald2000
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9:23pm Thu 3 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:Well I am on Pension Credit at the moment, that means the lowest of the low, therefore I am entitled to the free bus pass.
Donald2000 wrote:Look I've got nothing against low income pensioners getting bus passes but some are on more money than people in work so what we give them all free transport?
thinklikealocal wrote:Through 34 years of National Insurance contributions. Wind your neck in. Oh and plus 6 years of Higher Education.
Donald2000 wrote:I think you'll find it's the younger citizens who are being shat on. Where did a ripe old 61 year old get such a sense of public entitlement from? You have not paid for a free bus pass or winter fuel allowance all your life, they've only been around a few years!
bigfella777 wrote: That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead. To hell with public safety.Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
Pillock.
As I've said on other posts after talking to pensioners many would quite happily pay say 20p to travel on the busses they would rather have regular busses than none at all so why not put into place a very low set rate for bus pass holders?
I don't remember being told that by paying N.I stamp I'd be getting free TV licenses & free Bus travel etc; ?
So I've lost two brothers before they drew their pensions so can they claim the money back if they & you did indeed pay towards this?
I don't agree with thinklikealocal often but on this I don't think she's far off the mark.
Universal payments in this country have gone to far.
In a country where we need to pay off the debt we have people not using family allowance to feed & clothe children but to pay for holidays?
We have OAP's financially well off getting the same allowances that were put in place to protect the not so well off how's this fair?
Sort this mess out & maybe the cut's won't have to be so deep no matter who's in power or shall we carry on saying "So what I'm entitled to it so I'm having it"
I for one have 4 years to go before I'm 60 & if I'm alive & entitled to a free bus pass but can afford to run a car I won't take up my bus pass will all those who can afford to get around not take up their pass?
I have paid into the system for years and have no other income - we are not all rich ****.
So I do feel I am entitled to the free bus pass. I know there is an expectation in this country now that anyone who doesn't work and who is not super-rich should go to the gas chambers - and our trolling friend is an example of it. Good old Tory fodder - you just cannot beat it.
Huffter
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9:44pm Thu 3 Jan 13
thinklikealocal
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9:53pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:Oh dear we are feeling sorry for ourselves aren't we! I am not a troll or a tory. I just don't agree with all this poor old pensioner cr@p. there are hard up people of all ages and i don't understand why 'pensioners', especially 61 year olds feel such a sense of entitlement to this that and the other at the expense of the young who are already paying far more in taxes than they ever did and can expect a great deal less in old age i suspect. Grow up!
loosehead wrote:Well I am on Pension Credit at the moment, that means the lowest of the low, therefore I am entitled to the free bus pass. I have paid into the system for years and have no other income - we are not all rich ****. So I do feel I am entitled to the free bus pass. I know there is an expectation in this country now that anyone who doesn't work and who is not super-rich should go to the gas chambers - and our trolling friend is an example of it. Good old Tory fodder - you just cannot beat it.Donald2000 wrote:Look I've got nothing against low income pensioners getting bus passes but some are on more money than people in work so what we give them all free transport? As I've said on other posts after talking to pensioners many would quite happily pay say 20p to travel on the busses they would rather have regular busses than none at all so why not put into place a very low set rate for bus pass holders? I don't remember being told that by paying N.I stamp I'd be getting free TV licenses & free Bus travel etc; ? So I've lost two brothers before they drew their pensions so can they claim the money back if they & you did indeed pay towards this? I don't agree with thinklikealocal often but on this I don't think she's far off the mark. Universal payments in this country have gone to far. In a country where we need to pay off the debt we have people not using family allowance to feed & clothe children but to pay for holidays? We have OAP's financially well off getting the same allowances that were put in place to protect the not so well off how's this fair? Sort this mess out & maybe the cut's won't have to be so deep no matter who's in power or shall we carry on saying "So what I'm entitled to it so I'm having it" I for one have 4 years to go before I'm 60 & if I'm alive & entitled to a free bus pass but can afford to run a car I won't take up my bus pass will all those who can afford to get around not take up their pass?thinklikealocal wrote:Through 34 years of National Insurance contributions. Wind your neck in. Oh and plus 6 years of Higher Education. Pillock.Donald2000 wrote:I think you'll find it's the younger citizens who are being shat on. Where did a ripe old 61 year old get such a sense of public entitlement from? You have not paid for a free bus pass or winter fuel allowance all your life, they've only been around a few years!bigfella777 wrote: That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead. To hell with public safety.Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
thinklikealocal
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10:03pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:Having read my post and yours it us clear who the spiteful one is. I'm as disappointed as anyone that central government cuts will force this cut in subsidised bus services in the City. What i have issue with is older citizens who somehow think they should have this that and the other, paid for by others, who may very well have no more, or even less, than them. That's all, no name calling, just my opinion as a citizen in a democratic country (or am i too you young for that?).
thinklikealocal wrote:No, your post is spiteful, ill thought out and wasteful of words. Plus, you are clearly a troll who does not have a brain cell, or any original thoughts of his or her own, who takes a delight in taking the mickey out of honest contributors on here, who are affronted at the council's plans for the bus service. Now get back to your dustbin, or where-ever it is you crawled out from. Troll.Donald2000 wrote:So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a pillock? Well that 6 years of higher education was clearly wasted on you....thinklikealocal wrote:Through 34 years of National Insurance contributions. Wind your neck in. Oh and plus 6 years of Higher Education. Pillock.Donald2000 wrote:I think you'll find it's the younger citizens who are being shat on. Where did a ripe old 61 year old get such a sense of public entitlement from? You have not paid for a free bus pass or winter fuel allowance all your life, they've only been around a few years!bigfella777 wrote: That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead. To hell with public safety.Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
Donald2000
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10:37pm Thu 3 Jan 13
thinklikealocal wrote:Its stuff you started and I put a finish to it.It's clear you know nothing about anything whatsoever and are just putting your air-headed views out on here. Spiteful is, as spiteful gets. If you don't like it coming back at you, don't come on here with your own spiteful and constipated views. Don't bother to reply - I know I have won the argument.
Donald2000 wrote:Having read my post and yours it us clear who the spiteful one is. I'm as disappointed as anyone that central government cuts will force this cut in subsidised bus services in the City. What i have issue with is older citizens who somehow think they should have this that and the other, paid for by others, who may very well have no more, or even less, than them. That's all, no name calling, just my opinion as a citizen in a democratic country (or am i too you young for that?).
thinklikealocal wrote:No, your post is spiteful, ill thought out and wasteful of words. Plus, you are clearly a troll who does not have a brain cell, or any original thoughts of his or her own, who takes a delight in taking the mickey out of honest contributors on here, who are affronted at the council's plans for the bus service. Now get back to your dustbin, or where-ever it is you crawled out from. Troll.Donald2000 wrote:So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a pillock? Well that 6 years of higher education was clearly wasted on you....thinklikealocal wrote:Through 34 years of National Insurance contributions. Wind your neck in. Oh and plus 6 years of Higher Education. Pillock.Donald2000 wrote:I think you'll find it's the younger citizens who are being shat on. Where did a ripe old 61 year old get such a sense of public entitlement from? You have not paid for a free bus pass or winter fuel allowance all your life, they've only been around a few years!bigfella777 wrote: That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead. To hell with public safety.Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
thinklikealocal
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10:46pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:I think not. Unfortunately your attitude does great harm to the cause you seek to promote, senior citizens.
thinklikealocal wrote:Its stuff you started and I put a finish to it.It's clear you know nothing about anything whatsoever and are just putting your air-headed views out on here. Spiteful is, as spiteful gets. If you don't like it coming back at you, don't come on here with your own spiteful and constipated views. Don't bother to reply - I know I have won the argument.Donald2000 wrote:Having read my post and yours it us clear who the spiteful one is. I'm as disappointed as anyone that central government cuts will force this cut in subsidised bus services in the City. What i have issue with is older citizens who somehow think they should have this that and the other, paid for by others, who may very well have no more, or even less, than them. That's all, no name calling, just my opinion as a citizen in a democratic country (or am i too you young for that?).thinklikealocal wrote:No, your post is spiteful, ill thought out and wasteful of words. Plus, you are clearly a troll who does not have a brain cell, or any original thoughts of his or her own, who takes a delight in taking the mickey out of honest contributors on here, who are affronted at the council's plans for the bus service. Now get back to your dustbin, or where-ever it is you crawled out from. Troll.Donald2000 wrote:So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a pillock? Well that 6 years of higher education was clearly wasted on you....thinklikealocal wrote:Through 34 years of National Insurance contributions. Wind your neck in. Oh and plus 6 years of Higher Education. Pillock.Donald2000 wrote:I think you'll find it's the younger citizens who are being shat on. Where did a ripe old 61 year old get such a sense of public entitlement from? You have not paid for a free bus pass or winter fuel allowance all your life, they've only been around a few years!bigfella777 wrote: That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead. To hell with public safety.Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
Donald2000
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10:52pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Although why I should even bother typing stuff to an airhead such as yourself, I can't imagine.
thinklikealocal
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11:01pm Thu 3 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:Pot, kettle, black.......
Self opinionated, bigoted, unknowledgeable, claptrap. You know nothing about what I do for the senior citizen community and are only interested in coming on here and blowing your own trumpet, supported by other bigots. Although why I should even bother typing stuff to an airhead such as yourself, I can't imagine.
mr.southampton
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11:39pm Thu 3 Jan 13
CHARLIE TAYLOR wrote:It's shocking, but true. In most cases if there's more than one of you travelling a taxi is often a cheaper option than the bus.
Will anything ever get done to stop this company (First ) from operating !
Just returned to Soton from zante and to my amazement they have stopped the route from top of Hill Lane to the railway station,it takes 40 mins to get to town on the hourly service, can walk faster! no service after 5-40pm nor sundays, what a joke, the fare is more expensive than a taxi, for two. So much for green progress! gone and bought a car !!
Personally I got so sick of First Bus years ago I bought a bike.
loosehead
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7:42am Fri 4 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:You've paid into the system so you are entitled?
loosehead wrote:Well I am on Pension Credit at the moment, that means the lowest of the low, therefore I am entitled to the free bus pass.
Donald2000 wrote:Look I've got nothing against low income pensioners getting bus passes but some are on more money than people in work so what we give them all free transport?
thinklikealocal wrote:Through 34 years of National Insurance contributions. Wind your neck in. Oh and plus 6 years of Higher Education.
Donald2000 wrote:I think you'll find it's the younger citizens who are being shat on. Where did a ripe old 61 year old get such a sense of public entitlement from? You have not paid for a free bus pass or winter fuel allowance all your life, they've only been around a few years!
bigfella777 wrote: That's alright, we can all walk about getting stabbed,raped,robbed and beaten with planks instead. To hell with public safety.Well that's absolutely right and heaven help any pensioner who would want to travel by bus at night.They are already talking about taking away our winter fuel payments; we have paid into the system all our lives and now all people want to do is to sh1t on us. Welcome to brave new Britain, whereupon each citizen is encouraged to rip out the other citizens throats.
Pillock.
As I've said on other posts after talking to pensioners many would quite happily pay say 20p to travel on the busses they would rather have regular busses than none at all so why not put into place a very low set rate for bus pass holders?
I don't remember being told that by paying N.I stamp I'd be getting free TV licenses & free Bus travel etc; ?
So I've lost two brothers before they drew their pensions so can they claim the money back if they & you did indeed pay towards this?
I don't agree with thinklikealocal often but on this I don't think she's far off the mark.
Universal payments in this country have gone to far.
In a country where we need to pay off the debt we have people not using family allowance to feed & clothe children but to pay for holidays?
We have OAP's financially well off getting the same allowances that were put in place to protect the not so well off how's this fair?
Sort this mess out & maybe the cut's won't have to be so deep no matter who's in power or shall we carry on saying "So what I'm entitled to it so I'm having it"
I for one have 4 years to go before I'm 60 & if I'm alive & entitled to a free bus pass but can afford to run a car I won't take up my bus pass will all those who can afford to get around not take up their pass?
I have paid into the system for years and have no other income - we are not all rich ****.
So I do feel I am entitled to the free bus pass. I know there is an expectation in this country now that anyone who doesn't work and who is not super-rich should go to the gas chambers - and our trolling friend is an example of it. Good old Tory fodder - you just cannot beat it.
Those passes,TV licences, Heating Allowances can be taken away at any time as they are not anything you've contributed for.
you as I contributed to a pension when you retired true?
please tell me where it's stated you'd get all those allowances?
these allowances were introduced by ( I think) different Labour Governments to help the poor ( Family allowance,Tax credits) & the low income OAP's.
I can't believe they ever thought the middle class & the well off would be using them to go on holidays?
one word is hated but it has to be considered & that's a form of Means testing people as we cannot go on like this.
you say your on credits? your the type who deserves our help but you know that some people lived the live of Riley never put into a pension scheme or wanted to buy their homes & now are on basic state pensions.
whilst others who did invest & struggled to survive are being forced to sell their homes for care so some genius has to come up with a fair solution to this problem & as that's not me I'm signing off but please don't get into an argument with thinklikealocal
Donald2000
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9:06am Fri 4 Jan 13
The last time I looked that person was not appointed God. I can come on here and get into an argument with whomsoever I please. The trouble with this country know is that it's getting full of little knowalls who want to tell the rest of us about their superinflated and egotistical views and they don't want any argument. This time your friend did get an argument and they did not like it.
It's called democracy. I can argue with whom I like; unless you would like to ban my freedom of speech in favour of some party line perpetrated by some other correspondent on this newspaper.
loosehead
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1:17pm Fri 4 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:Donald I've been in many a disagreement with thinklikealocal so go ahead I'm not trying to tell you what to do I was trying to give you some advice that's all
Please don't get into an argument with thinklikelocal.
The last time I looked that person was not appointed God. I can come on here and get into an argument with whomsoever I please. The trouble with this country know is that it's getting full of little knowalls who want to tell the rest of us about their superinflated and egotistical views and they don't want any argument. This time your friend did get an argument and they did not like it.
It's called democracy. I can argue with whom I like; unless you would like to ban my freedom of speech in favour of some party line perpetrated by some other correspondent on this newspaper.
Donald2000
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2:47pm Fri 4 Jan 13
Then it becomes more than just a debate, it becomes a single feature for that person to perpetuate their narrow minded views without anyone else being able to put their own point of view.
If your friend thinklikealocal is so good and their comments are so right, then they can always start off their own vanity blog - there are plenty of these sites available and they can state their ridiculous or anal views for as long as they like. But meanwhile, back in the real world, such views are likely to be challenged. We have not yet reached a state where one person's views have been allowed to take over a whole newspaper. It's sounds to me as if you are scared of this one person and to me that's far from healthy.
loosehead
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3:00pm Fri 4 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:My friend? she's called me a racist & god knows what else but you put over your point & replied I think your wrong but we all have our own point of view so hey!
The problem with that advice is, that it's not proper advice - to tell people not to argue with certain people on a talk board is tantamount to giving those people credence to talk whatever gibberish they want to without ever being challenged.
Then it becomes more than just a debate, it becomes a single feature for that person to perpetuate their narrow minded views without anyone else being able to put their own point of view.
If your friend thinklikealocal is so good and their comments are so right, then they can always start off their own vanity blog - there are plenty of these sites available and they can state their ridiculous or anal views for as long as they like. But meanwhile, back in the real world, such views are likely to be challenged. We have not yet reached a state where one person's views have been allowed to take over a whole newspaper. It's sounds to me as if you are scared of this one person and to me that's far from healthy.
look I'm not hear to tell you to stop so go ahead argue.
thinklikealocal
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7:05pm Fri 4 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:It's clear to me that the only person commenting here who has a problem with other peoples freedom of speech is you!
Please don't get into an argument with thinklikelocal.
The last time I looked that person was not appointed God. I can come on here and get into an argument with whomsoever I please. The trouble with this country know is that it's getting full of little knowalls who want to tell the rest of us about their superinflated and egotistical views and they don't want any argument. This time your friend did get an argument and they did not like it.
It's called democracy. I can argue with whom I like; unless you would like to ban my freedom of speech in favour of some party line perpetrated by some other correspondent on this newspaper.
Donald2000
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7:39pm Fri 4 Jan 13
thinklikealocal wrote:That's purely because you personally don't like being argued with and the fact that you made that comment illustrates that perfectly well. The only person who is not going to argue with you is the person you see every day in the mirror. Other people are going to have their own opinion and their own say.
Donald2000 wrote:It's clear to me that the only person commenting here who has a problem with other peoples freedom of speech is you!
Please don't get into an argument with thinklikelocal.
The last time I looked that person was not appointed God. I can come on here and get into an argument with whomsoever I please. The trouble with this country know is that it's getting full of little knowalls who want to tell the rest of us about their superinflated and egotistical views and they don't want any argument. This time your friend did get an argument and they did not like it.
It's called democracy. I can argue with whom I like; unless you would like to ban my freedom of speech in favour of some party line perpetrated by some other correspondent on this newspaper.
Ginger_cyclist
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11:41pm Fri 4 Jan 13
mr.southampton wrote:I got sick of buses altogether, got on a double decker when the 3 was the 10 and it was an OLD bus without cctv, think it was what replaced the double deckers that looked like they had an arse but this bus, I got on, sat on the top deck, a couple gets on and sits on the top deck at the front, obviously wasted in someway, halfway home, the bloke decides to spark up a bloody fag, I may be a smoker myself but there is a time and a place to smoke, on a bus is NOT one of those times or places, so now I cycle everywhere.
CHARLIE TAYLOR wrote:It's shocking, but true. In most cases if there's more than one of you travelling a taxi is often a cheaper option than the bus.
Will anything ever get done to stop this company (First ) from operating !
Just returned to Soton from zante and to my amazement they have stopped the route from top of Hill Lane to the railway station,it takes 40 mins to get to town on the hourly service, can walk faster! no service after 5-40pm nor sundays, what a joke, the fare is more expensive than a taxi, for two. So much for green progress! gone and bought a car !!
Personally I got so sick of First Bus years ago I bought a bike.
thinklikealocal
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12:21pm Sat 5 Jan 13
Donald2000 wrote:Look, you posted your opinion then I posted mine. YOU are the one who name calls, demeans and whinges about 'not being entitled to an opinion' and 'others not liking their opinions being opposed'. It is quite clear that YOU are the one who has a problem with their opinion being countered. I am quite happy with people having opinions different to mine but you don't! Stop contradicting yourself by talking about a right to freedom of speech and then trying to shut up others with an opinion!
thinklikealocal wrote:That's purely because you personally don't like being argued with and the fact that you made that comment illustrates that perfectly well. The only person who is not going to argue with you is the person you see every day in the mirror. Other people are going to have their own opinion and their own say.Donald2000 wrote: Please don't get into an argument with thinklikelocal. The last time I looked that person was not appointed God. I can come on here and get into an argument with whomsoever I please. The trouble with this country know is that it's getting full of little knowalls who want to tell the rest of us about their superinflated and egotistical views and they don't want any argument. This time your friend did get an argument and they did not like it. It's called democracy. I can argue with whom I like; unless you would like to ban my freedom of speech in favour of some party line perpetrated by some other correspondent on this newspaper.It's clear to me that the only person commenting here who has a problem with other peoples freedom of speech is you!
lisa whitemore
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8:45pm Sat 5 Jan 13
Gumbo82 wrote:quite agree Gumbo, Larger than life Pen Pushers & number crunchers who really do not live in the real world! As for this Asa asking for the public views and opinions as stated below:
Perhaps the council should stop wasting money on rubbish like a stupid museum no one goes to or a row of sheds selling junk at Christmas and put the money towards essential services,I work the late shift at first bus and I know first hand a lot of people are going to be stranded in the evening, nurses, elderly coming back from bingo etc and people going to the general to name a few.Plus it will probably put some drivers out of work, so well done city council another dose of disappointment from you goons behind a desk.
"I’d encourage residents to comment on the proposals through the budget consultation so that we can ensure that we’re taking on board as many ideas and views as possible.”
Didnt realise he had become a comedian now....What a load of boloney There is no point trying to negotiate,suggest or oppose anything with this labour run council,they simply do not care.
the sooner everyone realises it the better!
lisa whitemore
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8:56pm Sat 5 Jan 13
Nicole23 wrote:Yes Nicole Your opinion pretty much mirrors my own personal feelings about Him & His Nursemaid Wife. It was my Dad who she was targeting as an annonomous member of public who knew far too much private and personal info and tried to provacate a response to enable scc to sack him! Thats how Soton Labour Party run their city, by lies,cover ups and misleading members of the public.This will all come out soon especially with enquiry on council leader if not then its time for planB..Watch this Space as they say!!
I'm not liking Asa Thorpe much. He seems to have a total disregard for working people in the city especially with the chaos he is causing on Itchen Bridge.
I hope he is enjoying his post Christmas holiday in the sun while we are all trying to get to and from work.
The comments his partner made about the populous of Southampton seem to sum up his attitude to hard working people who pay their taxes.
I would like to know how much it cost to make the Civic clock tower glow red all over Christmas.
lisa whitemore
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8:56pm Sat 5 Jan 13
Nicole23 wrote:Yes Nicole Your opinion pretty much mirrors my own personal feelings about Him & His Nursemaid Wife. It was my Dad who she was targeting as an annonomous member of public who knew far too much private and personal info and tried to provacate a response to enable scc to sack him! Thats how Soton Labour Party run their city, by lies,cover ups and misleading members of the public.This will all come out soon especially with enquiry on council leader if not then its time for planB..Watch this Space as they say!!
I'm not liking Asa Thorpe much. He seems to have a total disregard for working people in the city especially with the chaos he is causing on Itchen Bridge.
I hope he is enjoying his post Christmas holiday in the sun while we are all trying to get to and from work.
The comments his partner made about the populous of Southampton seem to sum up his attitude to hard working people who pay their taxes.
I would like to know how much it cost to make the Civic clock tower glow red all over Christmas.
loosehead
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9:13pm Sat 5 Jan 13
lisa whitemore wrote:I agree with most but as someone who's been to the museum I don't agree with all he/she says.
Gumbo82 wrote:quite agree Gumbo, Larger than life Pen Pushers & number crunchers who really do not live in the real world! As for this Asa asking for the public views and opinions as stated below:
Perhaps the council should stop wasting money on rubbish like a stupid museum no one goes to or a row of sheds selling junk at Christmas and put the money towards essential services,I work the late shift at first bus and I know first hand a lot of people are going to be stranded in the evening, nurses, elderly coming back from bingo etc and people going to the general to name a few.Plus it will probably put some drivers out of work, so well done city council another dose of disappointment from you goons behind a desk.
"I’d encourage residents to comment on the proposals through the budget consultation so that we can ensure that we’re taking on board as many ideas and views as possible.”
Didnt realise he had become a comedian now....What a load of boloney There is no point trying to negotiate,suggest or oppose anything with this labour run council,they simply do not care.
the sooner everyone realises it the better!
They say they didn't know the size of the cut to the budget this year?
the Tories had set out their store on a cut far bigger than we are now facing thanks to the Tories putting in for a grant which labour were able to increase.
The budget the Tories were looking at was £8billion lower than Labour now have but no cuts to bus subsidies was even talked about.
Just remember one lot of pay was restored ( the smallest group) & they promised to restore the rest this year next year so where do you think that money's coming from?
CUTS!
lisa whitemore
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9:58am Tue 29 Jan 13
Lone Ranger. wrote:Yes she did call her husbands voters in southampton inbred cretins and no it was not a political reason by the Echo but to try to belittle and misguide members of public.Aswell as a Misleading Press release too for your information.
Nicole23 wrote:The Itchen Bridge "fiasco" was set up by the Tories. They wanted to collect toll money via automation not manually.
I'm not liking Asa Thorpe much. He seems to have a total disregard for working people in the city especially with the chaos he is causing on Itchen Bridge.
I hope he is enjoying his post Christmas holiday in the sun while we are all trying to get to and from work.
The comments his partner made about the populous of Southampton seem to sum up his attitude to hard working people who pay their taxes.
I would like to know how much it cost to make the Civic clock tower glow red all over Christmas.
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Where does it say that Thorpe in on a post Xmas holiday in the sun ?
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Do you object to public employees having a holiday.
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His partner/wife DID NOT make comments re the "populous" of Southampton ....... The Echo printed the story to that effect for political reasons..
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As regards the clock ........ make some enquiries to the Civic if you are that interested or concerned ..... then you can let us know
loosehead
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12:15pm Tue 29 Jan 13
lisa whitemore wrote:Lisa this poster has the cheek to call me a liar don't they read articles if it's from one of their beloved Labour council or is it they change the words to make it sound better?
Lone Ranger. wrote:Yes she did call her husbands voters in southampton inbred cretins and no it was not a political reason by the Echo but to try to belittle and misguide members of public.Aswell as a Misleading Press release too for your information.
Nicole23 wrote:The Itchen Bridge "fiasco" was set up by the Tories. They wanted to collect toll money via automation not manually.
I'm not liking Asa Thorpe much. He seems to have a total disregard for working people in the city especially with the chaos he is causing on Itchen Bridge.
I hope he is enjoying his post Christmas holiday in the sun while we are all trying to get to and from work.
The comments his partner made about the populous of Southampton seem to sum up his attitude to hard working people who pay their taxes.
I would like to know how much it cost to make the Civic clock tower glow red all over Christmas.
.
Where does it say that Thorpe in on a post Xmas holiday in the sun ?
.
Do you object to public employees having a holiday.
.
His partner/wife DID NOT make comments re the "populous" of Southampton ....... The Echo printed the story to that effect for political reasons..
.
As regards the clock ........ make some enquiries to the Civic if you are that interested or concerned ..... then you can let us know
dogbruce says...
7:34am Thu 3 Jan 13