Calls for Beaulieu lorry ban turned down

Daily Echo: Calls for Beaulieu lorry ban turned down Calls for Beaulieu lorry ban turned down

IT boasts some of Hampshire’s most historic buildings, including an ancient abbey, a newlyrestored tide mill and the ancestral home of Lord Montagu.

But highway chiefs have rejected calls to ban lorries from using the main road through Beaulieu, despite claims that vehicles rumbling down the narrow street are damaging the environment.

Truckers can continue to travel along the B3054 – also known as Palace Lane – following a decision by Hampshire County Council.

The authority is still considering a proposal to prevent HGVs from using the High Street, which leads off the main thoroughfare, but campaigners say the B3054 is where a ban is needed.

The Hon Ralph Montagu, Lord Montagu’s son and heir, is among those who want to see large commercial vehicles kept out of the village.

He said: “I don’t believe a lorry ban in the High Street alone would be worthwhile as Palace Lane is the main route for lorries and other traffic.”

Some of the pavements in Beaulieu are only 3ft wide and others just 2ft.

John Phipps, who runs a Palace Lane guesthouse, said: “We’ve blocked up our front door – it wasn’t safe because of the lorries and all the other vehicles.”

Truckers travelling across the New Forest say the B3054 is the most direct route from the Waterside to the Lymington area.

However, people living in Beaulieu’s ancient roadside cottages claim that lorries are causing potentially damaging vibrations as well as endangering pedestrians.

One resident said: “I’ll never forget the first time I heard a lorry go through. It felt like an earthquake.”

But Councillor Mel Kendal, the county council’s executive member for environment and transport, said a lorry ban on the B3054 had been ruled out following a study.

He added: “We are now assessing whether there is a case to simply ban HGVs from using the High Street as a through-route.”

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9:24am Fri 4 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

If the vehicles are barred on this route, who will have to suffer elsewhere? Presumably the HGVs have to get from A to B one way or another, if the choice was a by-pass it would take about ten years and waste of millions of pounds in enquiries and so forth. So a compromise has to be reached, just get talking sense and sort it out, it's not a problem that will disappear overnight.
If the vehicles are barred on this route, who will have to suffer elsewhere? Presumably the HGVs have to get from A to B one way or another, if the choice was a by-pass it would take about ten years and waste of millions of pounds in enquiries and so forth. So a compromise has to be reached, just get talking sense and sort it out, it's not a problem that will disappear overnight. OSPREYSAINT

10:08am Fri 4 Jan 13

one in a million says...

Lorries are a menace; better regulation is urgently needed.
Lorries are a menace; better regulation is urgently needed. one in a million

10:24am Fri 4 Jan 13

Frank28 says...

It must be a real misery for the people affected by lorries. One way of dealing with the problem would be to impose a lower axle weight limit for the bridge which crosses the river, outside the Gatehouse. The small bridge was reinforced during the war to accommodate large military vehicles.
It must be a real misery for the people affected by lorries. One way of dealing with the problem would be to impose a lower axle weight limit for the bridge which crosses the river, outside the Gatehouse. The small bridge was reinforced during the war to accommodate large military vehicles. Frank28

11:02am Fri 4 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

one in a million wrote:
Lorries are a menace; better regulation is urgently needed.
Nimbys are a menace too, and regulation won't solve anything.
[quote][p][bold]one in a million[/bold] wrote: Lorries are a menace; better regulation is urgently needed.[/p][/quote]Nimbys are a menace too, and regulation won't solve anything. OSPREYSAINT

11:38am Fri 4 Jan 13

Torchie1 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
one in a million wrote:
Lorries are a menace; better regulation is urgently needed.
Nimbys are a menace too, and regulation won't solve anything.
Apart from some improvements made during the last war, I think the road system in the forest would be recognisable to most inhabitants of the area over the last eight hundred years. The problem is that the inhabitants in the twenty first century want to enjoy modern transport but they also want to maintain a largely Tudor road system. Economies of scale push hauliers towards larger vehicles which the villages struggle to cope with and nothing can be done about it especially after Lyndhurst banned HGVs from passing through it.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in a million[/bold] wrote: Lorries are a menace; better regulation is urgently needed.[/p][/quote]Nimbys are a menace too, and regulation won't solve anything.[/p][/quote]Apart from some improvements made during the last war, I think the road system in the forest would be recognisable to most inhabitants of the area over the last eight hundred years. The problem is that the inhabitants in the twenty first century want to enjoy modern transport but they also want to maintain a largely Tudor road system. Economies of scale push hauliers towards larger vehicles which the villages struggle to cope with and nothing can be done about it especially after Lyndhurst banned HGVs from passing through it. Torchie1

12:10pm Fri 4 Jan 13

NewForestStu says...

Whilst we are at it i would like to see Londoners banned from buying property in the the New Forest as well, but similar to trying to restrict lorries through Beaulieu, cannot see either happening!
Whilst we are at it i would like to see Londoners banned from buying property in the the New Forest as well, but similar to trying to restrict lorries through Beaulieu, cannot see either happening! NewForestStu

12:33pm Fri 4 Jan 13

kingnotail says...

NewForestStu wrote:
Whilst we are at it i would like to see Londoners banned from buying property in the the New Forest as well, but similar to trying to restrict lorries through Beaulieu, cannot see either happening!
Git orf moi laand
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: Whilst we are at it i would like to see Londoners banned from buying property in the the New Forest as well, but similar to trying to restrict lorries through Beaulieu, cannot see either happening![/p][/quote]Git orf moi laand kingnotail

12:37pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Torchie1 says...

NewForestStu wrote:
Whilst we are at it i would like to see Londoners banned from buying property in the the New Forest as well, but similar to trying to restrict lorries through Beaulieu, cannot see either happening!
Perhaps it would be easier to persuade the sellers to accept a reduced price from a local buyer?
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: Whilst we are at it i would like to see Londoners banned from buying property in the the New Forest as well, but similar to trying to restrict lorries through Beaulieu, cannot see either happening![/p][/quote]Perhaps it would be easier to persuade the sellers to accept a reduced price from a local buyer? Torchie1

1:20pm Fri 4 Jan 13

ohec says...

one in a million wrote:
Lorries are a menace; better regulation is urgently needed.
Everything you have from the toothpaste you use to the car you drive has traveled at some point by lorry so how do you suggest we live without them, it might be a better idea for you to put your brain in gear before your mouth. I suppose you are one of these people that quite happily walk around with your mobile phone while still complaining about mobile phone masts, you would be the first to complain if you found empty shops or garages with no fuel.
[quote][p][bold]one in a million[/bold] wrote: Lorries are a menace; better regulation is urgently needed.[/p][/quote]Everything you have from the toothpaste you use to the car you drive has traveled at some point by lorry so how do you suggest we live without them, it might be a better idea for you to put your brain in gear before your mouth. I suppose you are one of these people that quite happily walk around with your mobile phone while still complaining about mobile phone masts, you would be the first to complain if you found empty shops or garages with no fuel. ohec

1:42pm Fri 4 Jan 13

bazzeroz says...

Bl00dy snobs!
Bl00dy snobs! bazzeroz

9:56pm Fri 4 Jan 13

andysaints007 says...

kingnotail wrote:
NewForestStu wrote:
Whilst we are at it i would like to see Londoners banned from buying property in the the New Forest as well, but similar to trying to restrict lorries through Beaulieu, cannot see either happening!
Git orf moi laand
New Forest Stupid would be a much better name for you d*ckhead !!
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: Whilst we are at it i would like to see Londoners banned from buying property in the the New Forest as well, but similar to trying to restrict lorries through Beaulieu, cannot see either happening![/p][/quote]Git orf moi laand[/p][/quote]New Forest Stupid would be a much better name for you d*ckhead !! andysaints007

11:01pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Hmm, maybe impose an obligatory speed limit of 15mph to 20mph through the village for all vehicles and as soon as they pass a boundary line outside the village, they can go back to the normal speed limit (or they have to drop their speed if coming the other way), it's less the size of the trucks than it is their speed, Bursledon road has a good example of what happens when large vehicles rumble at speed over land that can't actually bear the force of them hitting potholes and stuff at 30 to 40, in the dip where the range is, the road goes over an underground stream, the Sholing side of the road also sits atop a very steep bank, every time a HGV rumbles along the bus lane, the land underneath slips slightly, now, obviously a 15 limit on Bursledon is out of the question but putting the bus lane into full time 24/7 operation is viable, just like a 15mph to 20mph limit through a village is, 2 very different roads, same cause for concern (damage to structures and the environment) with 2 different yet viable solutions through traffic management.
Hmm, maybe impose an obligatory speed limit of 15mph to 20mph through the village for all vehicles and as soon as they pass a boundary line outside the village, they can go back to the normal speed limit (or they have to drop their speed if coming the other way), it's less the size of the trucks than it is their speed, Bursledon road has a good example of what happens when large vehicles rumble at speed over land that can't actually bear the force of them hitting potholes and stuff at 30 to 40, in the dip where the range is, the road goes over an underground stream, the Sholing side of the road also sits atop a very steep bank, every time a HGV rumbles along the bus lane, the land underneath slips slightly, now, obviously a 15 limit on Bursledon is out of the question but putting the bus lane into full time 24/7 operation is viable, just like a 15mph to 20mph limit through a village is, 2 very different roads, same cause for concern (damage to structures and the environment) with 2 different yet viable solutions through traffic management. Ginger_cyclist

11:28pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Hmm, maybe impose an obligatory speed limit of 15mph to 20mph through the village for all vehicles and as soon as they pass a boundary line outside the village, they can go back to the normal speed limit (or they have to drop their speed if coming the other way), it's less the size of the trucks than it is their speed, Bursledon road has a good example of what happens when large vehicles rumble at speed over land that can't actually bear the force of them hitting potholes and stuff at 30 to 40, in the dip where the range is, the road goes over an underground stream, the Sholing side of the road also sits atop a very steep bank, every time a HGV rumbles along the bus lane, the land underneath slips slightly, now, obviously a 15 limit on Bursledon is out of the question but putting the bus lane into full time 24/7 operation is viable, just like a 15mph to 20mph limit through a village is, 2 very different roads, same cause for concern (damage to structures and the environment) with 2 different yet viable solutions through traffic management.
As the configuration of roads through Beaulieu village won't allow HGVs to reach 15mph, I don't think this is the solution.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Hmm, maybe impose an obligatory speed limit of 15mph to 20mph through the village for all vehicles and as soon as they pass a boundary line outside the village, they can go back to the normal speed limit (or they have to drop their speed if coming the other way), it's less the size of the trucks than it is their speed, Bursledon road has a good example of what happens when large vehicles rumble at speed over land that can't actually bear the force of them hitting potholes and stuff at 30 to 40, in the dip where the range is, the road goes over an underground stream, the Sholing side of the road also sits atop a very steep bank, every time a HGV rumbles along the bus lane, the land underneath slips slightly, now, obviously a 15 limit on Bursledon is out of the question but putting the bus lane into full time 24/7 operation is viable, just like a 15mph to 20mph limit through a village is, 2 very different roads, same cause for concern (damage to structures and the environment) with 2 different yet viable solutions through traffic management.[/p][/quote]As the configuration of roads through Beaulieu village won't allow HGVs to reach 15mph, I don't think this is the solution. Torchie1

12:13am Sat 5 Jan 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Hmm, maybe impose an obligatory speed limit of 15mph to 20mph through the village for all vehicles and as soon as they pass a boundary line outside the village, they can go back to the normal speed limit (or they have to drop their speed if coming the other way), it's less the size of the trucks than it is their speed, Bursledon road has a good example of what happens when large vehicles rumble at speed over land that can't actually bear the force of them hitting potholes and stuff at 30 to 40, in the dip where the range is, the road goes over an underground stream, the Sholing side of the road also sits atop a very steep bank, every time a HGV rumbles along the bus lane, the land underneath slips slightly, now, obviously a 15 limit on Bursledon is out of the question but putting the bus lane into full time 24/7 operation is viable, just like a 15mph to 20mph limit through a village is, 2 very different roads, same cause for concern (damage to structures and the environment) with 2 different yet viable solutions through traffic management.
As the configuration of roads through Beaulieu village won't allow HGVs to reach 15mph, I don't think this is the solution.
It's the B road running through the village that they're talking about and going by what i see on google maps, you could quite easily have an HGV trundle through Beaulieu at up to 30 or 40, the 3 points they are most likely to slow considerably for, appear to be outside Palace house, outside the Montagu arms and at the junction with the B3056, the high street doesn't appear suitable for 7.5T trucks, let alone the bigger trucks.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Hmm, maybe impose an obligatory speed limit of 15mph to 20mph through the village for all vehicles and as soon as they pass a boundary line outside the village, they can go back to the normal speed limit (or they have to drop their speed if coming the other way), it's less the size of the trucks than it is their speed, Bursledon road has a good example of what happens when large vehicles rumble at speed over land that can't actually bear the force of them hitting potholes and stuff at 30 to 40, in the dip where the range is, the road goes over an underground stream, the Sholing side of the road also sits atop a very steep bank, every time a HGV rumbles along the bus lane, the land underneath slips slightly, now, obviously a 15 limit on Bursledon is out of the question but putting the bus lane into full time 24/7 operation is viable, just like a 15mph to 20mph limit through a village is, 2 very different roads, same cause for concern (damage to structures and the environment) with 2 different yet viable solutions through traffic management.[/p][/quote]As the configuration of roads through Beaulieu village won't allow HGVs to reach 15mph, I don't think this is the solution.[/p][/quote]It's the B road running through the village that they're talking about and going by what i see on google maps, you could quite easily have an HGV trundle through Beaulieu at up to 30 or 40, the 3 points they are most likely to slow considerably for, appear to be outside Palace house, outside the Montagu arms and at the junction with the B3056, the high street doesn't appear suitable for 7.5T trucks, let alone the bigger trucks. Ginger_cyclist

12:35am Sat 5 Jan 13

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Hmm, maybe impose an obligatory speed limit of 15mph to 20mph through the village for all vehicles and as soon as they pass a boundary line outside the village, they can go back to the normal speed limit (or they have to drop their speed if coming the other way), it's less the size of the trucks than it is their speed, Bursledon road has a good example of what happens when large vehicles rumble at speed over land that can't actually bear the force of them hitting potholes and stuff at 30 to 40, in the dip where the range is, the road goes over an underground stream, the Sholing side of the road also sits atop a very steep bank, every time a HGV rumbles along the bus lane, the land underneath slips slightly, now, obviously a 15 limit on Bursledon is out of the question but putting the bus lane into full time 24/7 operation is viable, just like a 15mph to 20mph limit through a village is, 2 very different roads, same cause for concern (damage to structures and the environment) with 2 different yet viable solutions through traffic management.
As the configuration of roads through Beaulieu village won't allow HGVs to reach 15mph, I don't think this is the solution.
It's the B road running through the village that they're talking about and going by what i see on google maps, you could quite easily have an HGV trundle through Beaulieu at up to 30 or 40, the 3 points they are most likely to slow considerably for, appear to be outside Palace house, outside the Montagu arms and at the junction with the B3056, the high street doesn't appear suitable for 7.5T trucks, let alone the bigger trucks.
The main benefit I have is that I have a driving licence and a car so I know what it's like to drive through in real life as opposed to your virtual world. Beaulieu is nearly always the subject of traffic jams and even in the dead of night there's always the hazard of animals. On a clear run through without these issues the road between the museum entrance and the junction past the garage it would be impossible for an HGVS and in most cases a car, to exceed your proposed speed limit. If you are ever in a position to drive through you will appreciate that reality is not the same as a Google Map.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Hmm, maybe impose an obligatory speed limit of 15mph to 20mph through the village for all vehicles and as soon as they pass a boundary line outside the village, they can go back to the normal speed limit (or they have to drop their speed if coming the other way), it's less the size of the trucks than it is their speed, Bursledon road has a good example of what happens when large vehicles rumble at speed over land that can't actually bear the force of them hitting potholes and stuff at 30 to 40, in the dip where the range is, the road goes over an underground stream, the Sholing side of the road also sits atop a very steep bank, every time a HGV rumbles along the bus lane, the land underneath slips slightly, now, obviously a 15 limit on Bursledon is out of the question but putting the bus lane into full time 24/7 operation is viable, just like a 15mph to 20mph limit through a village is, 2 very different roads, same cause for concern (damage to structures and the environment) with 2 different yet viable solutions through traffic management.[/p][/quote]As the configuration of roads through Beaulieu village won't allow HGVs to reach 15mph, I don't think this is the solution.[/p][/quote]It's the B road running through the village that they're talking about and going by what i see on google maps, you could quite easily have an HGV trundle through Beaulieu at up to 30 or 40, the 3 points they are most likely to slow considerably for, appear to be outside Palace house, outside the Montagu arms and at the junction with the B3056, the high street doesn't appear suitable for 7.5T trucks, let alone the bigger trucks.[/p][/quote]The main benefit I have is that I have a driving licence and a car so I know what it's like to drive through in real life as opposed to your virtual world. Beaulieu is nearly always the subject of traffic jams and even in the dead of night there's always the hazard of animals. On a clear run through without these issues the road between the museum entrance and the junction past the garage it would be impossible for an HGVS and in most cases a car, to exceed your proposed speed limit. If you are ever in a position to drive through you will appreciate that reality is not the same as a Google Map. Torchie1

2:18am Sat 5 Jan 13

Sir Ad E Noid says...

bazzeroz wrote:
Bl00dy snobs!
Bl00dy Moron! A poor one at that. Just because you can't afford to live there, is not an excuse to spill the bile.
[quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: Bl00dy snobs![/p][/quote]Bl00dy Moron! A poor one at that. Just because you can't afford to live there, is not an excuse to spill the bile. Sir Ad E Noid

1:53pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Hmm, maybe impose an obligatory speed limit of 15mph to 20mph through the village for all vehicles and as soon as they pass a boundary line outside the village, they can go back to the normal speed limit (or they have to drop their speed if coming the other way), it's less the size of the trucks than it is their speed, Bursledon road has a good example of what happens when large vehicles rumble at speed over land that can't actually bear the force of them hitting potholes and stuff at 30 to 40, in the dip where the range is, the road goes over an underground stream, the Sholing side of the road also sits atop a very steep bank, every time a HGV rumbles along the bus lane, the land underneath slips slightly, now, obviously a 15 limit on Bursledon is out of the question but putting the bus lane into full time 24/7 operation is viable, just like a 15mph to 20mph limit through a village is, 2 very different roads, same cause for concern (damage to structures and the environment) with 2 different yet viable solutions through traffic management.
As the configuration of roads through Beaulieu village won't allow HGVs to reach 15mph, I don't think this is the solution.
It's the B road running through the village that they're talking about and going by what i see on google maps, you could quite easily have an HGV trundle through Beaulieu at up to 30 or 40, the 3 points they are most likely to slow considerably for, appear to be outside Palace house, outside the Montagu arms and at the junction with the B3056, the high street doesn't appear suitable for 7.5T trucks, let alone the bigger trucks.
The main benefit I have is that I have a driving licence and a car so I know what it's like to drive through in real life as opposed to your virtual world. Beaulieu is nearly always the subject of traffic jams and even in the dead of night there's always the hazard of animals. On a clear run through without these issues the road between the museum entrance and the junction past the garage it would be impossible for an HGVS and in most cases a car, to exceed your proposed speed limit. If you are ever in a position to drive through you will appreciate that reality is not the same as a Google Map.
If that's true then nobody would be complaining about the trucks would they? Trucks are a lot quicker than you seem to think too and the museum entrance (if you mean the motor museum as that's the only one I know is there) isn't even on palace lane but I agree that looking at google maps again on street view, it wouldn't be a good idea for a truck to rumble through at more than 20 anyway since it's narrow but a truck driver might see the rest of the road as being able to accommodate a truck doing 40, they might not reach 40 depending on the age of the truck but they might try, to be honest it would be an idea to just lay a road for goods traffic only, that goes round the village and ban any goods vehicles that aren't making deliveries within the village from going through the village so only privately owned vehicles, buses, emergency vehicles and local deliveries are allowed into the village, would make sense as it might ease traffic in the village without the trucks using it as a through route.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Hmm, maybe impose an obligatory speed limit of 15mph to 20mph through the village for all vehicles and as soon as they pass a boundary line outside the village, they can go back to the normal speed limit (or they have to drop their speed if coming the other way), it's less the size of the trucks than it is their speed, Bursledon road has a good example of what happens when large vehicles rumble at speed over land that can't actually bear the force of them hitting potholes and stuff at 30 to 40, in the dip where the range is, the road goes over an underground stream, the Sholing side of the road also sits atop a very steep bank, every time a HGV rumbles along the bus lane, the land underneath slips slightly, now, obviously a 15 limit on Bursledon is out of the question but putting the bus lane into full time 24/7 operation is viable, just like a 15mph to 20mph limit through a village is, 2 very different roads, same cause for concern (damage to structures and the environment) with 2 different yet viable solutions through traffic management.[/p][/quote]As the configuration of roads through Beaulieu village won't allow HGVs to reach 15mph, I don't think this is the solution.[/p][/quote]It's the B road running through the village that they're talking about and going by what i see on google maps, you could quite easily have an HGV trundle through Beaulieu at up to 30 or 40, the 3 points they are most likely to slow considerably for, appear to be outside Palace house, outside the Montagu arms and at the junction with the B3056, the high street doesn't appear suitable for 7.5T trucks, let alone the bigger trucks.[/p][/quote]The main benefit I have is that I have a driving licence and a car so I know what it's like to drive through in real life as opposed to your virtual world. Beaulieu is nearly always the subject of traffic jams and even in the dead of night there's always the hazard of animals. On a clear run through without these issues the road between the museum entrance and the junction past the garage it would be impossible for an HGVS and in most cases a car, to exceed your proposed speed limit. If you are ever in a position to drive through you will appreciate that reality is not the same as a Google Map.[/p][/quote]If that's true then nobody would be complaining about the trucks would they? Trucks are a lot quicker than you seem to think too and the museum entrance (if you mean the motor museum as that's the only one I know is there) isn't even on palace lane but I agree that looking at google maps again on street view, it wouldn't be a good idea for a truck to rumble through at more than 20 anyway since it's narrow but a truck driver might see the rest of the road as being able to accommodate a truck doing 40, they might not reach 40 depending on the age of the truck but they might try, to be honest it would be an idea to just lay a road for goods traffic only, that goes round the village and ban any goods vehicles that aren't making deliveries within the village from going through the village so only privately owned vehicles, buses, emergency vehicles and local deliveries are allowed into the village, would make sense as it might ease traffic in the village without the trucks using it as a through route. Ginger_cyclist

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