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Investigation after toddler is slapped in Southampton street
9:57am Monday 7th January 2013 in News
Shirley High Street, in Southampton
Police are investigating after a woman reportedly slapped a toddler across the face on a busy Hampshire street.
Officers say that several people have come forward to report the assault on the boy, which happened on Shirley High Street.
Witnesses have told the police that the woman was shouting at the toddler before hitting him across the face – causing him to cry out in pain.
It's understood that several members of the public remonstrated with the woman following the incident at around 7.45pm on Friday.
Now police are appealing for any witnesses that have not yet spoken to them to come forward.
The woman is described as white, aged in her twenties, with blonde hair in a ponytail and was wearing a camel coloured Parka-style jacket.
The boy had darker hair and was wearing a duffle coat and wellington boots.
Anyone with information should call Shirley Police Station on 101.
Comments(52)
elvisimo
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11:17am Mon 7 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist
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11:24am Mon 7 Jan 13
MGRA
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11:29am Mon 7 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:some people would disagree. some people would say there are certain instances where moderate punishment is appropriate, road safety instances for example. I am not saying I agree with that, but many many people still use moderate corporal punishment.
No matter what, you don't ever hit a child AT ALL.
lorra1
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11:37am Mon 7 Jan 13
rickey
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11:41am Mon 7 Jan 13
Keith Oftergrass
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11:42am Mon 7 Jan 13
Reality-man
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11:50am Mon 7 Jan 13
rickey wrote:I find a good poke in the eye a useful tactic, shuts them up and doesn't leave a mark.
Parents can legally smack their children as long as it does not leave a mark. That's the current law.
Rachiebabe
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11:51am Mon 7 Jan 13
rickey wrote:So it's ok to slep your toddler round the face as long as you don't mark him ?
Parents can legally smack their children as long as it does not leave a mark. That's the current law.
sotonboy84
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12:00pm Mon 7 Jan 13
I've been smacked when I was little and the shock more than anything was enough to tell me what I did was wrong and believe me, I didn't do it again.
But then the children, just as much as their parents really are something else down that mutant mile so reason wouldn't really apply…
S!monOn
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12:00pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Rachiebabe wrote:I don't know the the reasons why this woman felt the need to slap her child in the face, but children these days do need some sort of discipline whilst growing up.
rickey wrote:So it's ok to slep your toddler round the face as long as you don't mark him ?
Parents can legally smack their children as long as it does not leave a mark. That's the current law.
Note: "some sort of discipline" DOESN'T mean "slap child across face" or other physical abuse to children.
Donald2000
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12:15pm Mon 7 Jan 13
The point is that people don't do this - they don't detain the perpetrator and they tend to walk the other way. That's the society we live in. Don't talk to the perpetrator of violence - either detain them or call the police each and every time. That way, people will not get away with crimes against minors.
Vonnie
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12:25pm Mon 7 Jan 13
However, in general terms, any onlooker who cannot tell the difference between a parent physically chastising their child for discipline purposes, and child beating, (as this case purports to be) has a problem.
Other animals firmly cuff their offspring when they get out of hand, and humans are animals. The do-gooders of this world have a lot to answer for the undisciplined behaviour of both modern children and young adults.
Cyber__Fug
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12:32pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Reality-man wrote:I have found that an electronic cattle prod also works well...
rickey wrote:I find a good poke in the eye a useful tactic, shuts them up and doesn't leave a mark.
Parents can legally smack their children as long as it does not leave a mark. That's the current law.
hulla baloo
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12:35pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Cyber__Fug wrote:Do switch it on before you put it to use?
Reality-man wrote:I have found that an electronic cattle prod also works well...
rickey wrote:I find a good poke in the eye a useful tactic, shuts them up and doesn't leave a mark.
Parents can legally smack their children as long as it does not leave a mark. That's the current law.
SotonGreen
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12:50pm Mon 7 Jan 13
This seems to be a clear cut case of assault and the police are quite right to treat it very seriously. Adults have no right to inflict assault on children and there is all the difference in the world between chastisement and assault one very important aspect of which is self-control.
southy
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12:50pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Rachiebabe wrote:No not the face, back of the legs yes.
rickey wrote:So it's ok to slep your toddler round the face as long as you don't mark him ?
Parents can legally smack their children as long as it does not leave a mark. That's the current law.
Pandoragolden1
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1:11pm Mon 7 Jan 13
-stiv-
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1:34pm Mon 7 Jan 13
sotonboy84 wrote:I disagree. I think it turned you into a braindead gobshite who perpetuates outdated, barbaric attitudes on local news websites.
Parents should be able to smack their children as long as it's not so hard it will cause damage to the child.
I've been smacked when I was little and the shock more than anything was enough to tell me what I did was wrong and believe me, I didn't do it again.
But then the children, just as much as their parents really are something else down that mutant mile so reason wouldn't really apply…
Brite Spark
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1:35pm Mon 7 Jan 13
-stiv-
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1:36pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Vonnie wrote:I'll "firmly cuff" you if I see you around to "teach you a lesson". For coming out with such ****.
This incident sounds from the report that the woman behaved badly, and is a bully.
However, in general terms, any onlooker who cannot tell the difference between a parent physically chastising their child for discipline purposes, and child beating, (as this case purports to be) has a problem.
Other animals firmly cuff their offspring when they get out of hand, and humans are animals. The do-gooders of this world have a lot to answer for the undisciplined behaviour of both modern children and young adults.
Oh, by the way I'm three times your size.
That's ok though I suppose in your books?
-stiv-
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1:37pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Brite Spark wrote:Buy being a good, caring and attentive parent.
You bend a tree when it is young.
Lazy skier
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1:41pm Mon 7 Jan 13
The Music Man wrote:You mean the Mutant Mile? Although the Jeremy Kyle Mile has a certain ring to it
Sadly, it comes as no surprise that this happened on the "Jeremy Kyle Mile".
s e reader
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2:41pm Mon 7 Jan 13
-stiv-
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2:52pm Mon 7 Jan 13
southy wrote:I've got two children. Do you know the amount of times I've needed to hit them?
Rachiebabe wrote:No not the face, back of the legs yes.
rickey wrote:So it's ok to slep your toddler round the face as long as you don't mark him ?
Parents can legally smack their children as long as it does not leave a mark. That's the current law.
a
big
fat
****
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Anyone that hits a child is a piece of ****. All you're doing is teaching a child it's acceptable to use violence and physical force to solve problems or get what they want.
It's lazy, bullying parenting. Go read a book or speak to anyone who knows the first thing about raising children.
Half you people complain that somethings wrong with the youth of today. Judging by the opinions of some of you, it's no wonder. Hey maybe the kids just weren't smacked enough?
southy
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3:05pm Mon 7 Jan 13
-stiv- wrote:There are no child experts, its some thing you got to learn your self in time, and how to deal with it, and those that have raised 2 or more children should know and again it some thing a parent will learn each child will grow up differentlly, one way might work for one child but will not work for another child.
southy wrote:I've got two children. Do you know the amount of times I've needed to hit them?
Rachiebabe wrote:No not the face, back of the legs yes.
rickey wrote:So it's ok to slep your toddler round the face as long as you don't mark him ?
Parents can legally smack their children as long as it does not leave a mark. That's the current law.
a
big
fat
****
zero
Anyone that hits a child is a piece of ****. All you're doing is teaching a child it's acceptable to use violence and physical force to solve problems or get what they want.
It's lazy, bullying parenting. Go read a book or speak to anyone who knows the first thing about raising children.
Half you people complain that somethings wrong with the youth of today. Judging by the opinions of some of you, it's no wonder. Hey maybe the kids just weren't smacked enough?
All child books can do for you is give you guide lines and different options to work by, a number of child books say a slap on the back of the legs for the some cases and never to the head.
originalsfc
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3:38pm Mon 7 Jan 13
.if polish then a needle in haystack for Shirley nowdays.
sotonboy84
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4:41pm Mon 7 Jan 13
-stiv- wrote:Go eat glass.
sotonboy84 wrote: Parents should be able to smack their children as long as it's not so hard it will cause damage to the child. I've been smacked when I was little and the shock more than anything was enough to tell me what I did was wrong and believe me, I didn't do it again. But then the children, just as much as their parents really are something else down that mutant mile so reason wouldn't really apply…I disagree. I think it turned you into a braindead gobshite who perpetuates outdated, barbaric attitudes on local news websites.
sotonboy84
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4:44pm Mon 7 Jan 13
-stiv- wrote:Completely agree. All the insults you've dished out aside, the most sensible thing you've said.
southy wrote:I've got two children. Do you know the amount of times I've needed to hit them? a big fat **** zero Anyone that hits a child is a piece of ****. All you're doing is teaching a child it's acceptable to use violence and physical force to solve problems or get what they want. It's lazy, bullying parenting. Go read a book or speak to anyone who knows the first thing about raising children. Half you people complain that somethings wrong with the youth of today. Judging by the opinions of some of you, it's no wonder. Hey maybe the kids just weren't smacked enough?Rachiebabe wrote:No not the face, back of the legs yes.rickey wrote: Parents can legally smack their children as long as it does not leave a mark. That's the current law.So it's ok to slep your toddler round the face as long as you don't mark him ?
Kids aren't smacked enough, hence the youth of today.
peach27
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4:44pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Brite Spark
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5:01pm Mon 7 Jan 13
peach27 wrote:Well it IS Eastleigh what do you expect?
Ive told the police on numerous times about a guy in eastleigh to smacks his kids in the street and calls them c#?ts loads of people know him and what hes like but the police do nothing about it. Ive even contacted social services.
And in other news - if kids don't learn to behave after numerous warnings, give them a kick up the backside. Coppers used to be able to 'scud' kids who'd been naughty, now they'd get charged with assault! I'm not saying the woman in Shirley was right she wasn't, but maybe if she had been taught a bit of discipline as a kid this wouldn't have happened.
Outside of the Box
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5:09pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Lazy skier wrote:Slapped a child on the Mutant Mile next she'll be on Jermey Kyle with her toothless smile, pleading that she's not the vile.
The Music Man wrote:You mean the Mutant Mile? Although the Jeremy Kyle Mile has a certain ring to it
Sadly, it comes as no surprise that this happened on the "Jeremy Kyle Mile".
kingnotail
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5:21pm Mon 7 Jan 13
sotonboy84 wrote:'Mutant mile'? You could just as easily call the whole of Southampton 'the mutant city', it's hardly like Shirley is that much worse than the rest of it.
Parents should be able to smack their children as long as it's not so hard it will cause damage to the child.
I've been smacked when I was little and the shock more than anything was enough to tell me what I did was wrong and believe me, I didn't do it again.
But then the children, just as much as their parents really are something else down that mutant mile so reason wouldn't really apply…
ConcernedOfTotton
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6:05pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Donald2000
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6:17pm Mon 7 Jan 13
southy wrote:Perhaps either of you good people might think that it's not a good idea to touch a child at all in any way, whether you mark them or not? It is perfectly possible to bring children up in a loving way without ever chastising them.
Rachiebabe wrote:No not the face, back of the legs yes.
rickey wrote:So it's ok to slep your toddler round the face as long as you don't mark him ?
Parents can legally smack their children as long as it does not leave a mark. That's the current law.
I know this is a bit beyond a lot of the people in Southampton but let's try and be a bit enlightened out there....
Outside of the Box
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6:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13
ConcernedOfTotton wrote:Just slap the slapper.
What punishment would you give this Woman that will not harm the child?
dolomiteman
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6:52pm Mon 7 Jan 13
ConcernedOfTotton wrote:At the very least the police or if needed social services need to find out what caused or led to her slapping the child Im not saying that she was right in doing that but she may not realise how bad her actions were if she is or was being abused herself she may beleive her actions are normal behaviour and therefore need help herself . people are also assuming it is her own child which may not be the case.
What punishment would you give this Woman that will not harm the child?
This woman needs finding and quickly
There are CCTV cameras along Shirley high street and in most shops so why have the police not yet identified her or given a better discription?
mickey01
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7:01pm Mon 7 Jan 13
-stiv-
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7:36pm Mon 7 Jan 13
RudolphHucker
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7:48pm Mon 7 Jan 13
-stiv-
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8:06pm Mon 7 Jan 13
RudolphHucker wrote:Yeah, because that would've solved the worlds problems.
I was often flouted for swearing as a nipper. Shame you weren't Stiv!!
Sounds like you've all had more than a few brain cells beaten out of you.
gazdance
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8:19pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Obviously, and it really goes without saying, it is not acceptable to beat children and cause them harm but lawful chastisement for discipline purposes is fine and 100% acceptable.
If I was the woman, I'd have told the nosey do-gooders to get lost and mind their own business. That's what a number of people on here need to be told.
If I ever have kids and they need a clip around the ear for back chatting or misbehaving, that's exactly what they'll get.
Waste of police time - someone should have the balls to tell the complainers so.
Turtlebay
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8:29pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Rachiebabe wrote:According to the law, yes. Got a problem with that?
rickey wrote:So it's ok to slep your toddler round the face as long as you don't mark him ?
Parents can legally smack their children as long as it does not leave a mark. That's the current law.
If more parents used it there wouldn't be the major problems with youths that exists today. Thank the namby pamby, no smacking brigade!
Here, There
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8:52pm Mon 7 Jan 13
te by all means and if I am wrong in my assumptions then I apologise but the circumstances suggest different ! But some are able to discipline in 'the old way' without harm to their children both mentally and physically.
S!monOn
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9:41am Tue 8 Jan 13
-stiv- wrote:It could have beaten some sense into you. Then, maybe, you wouldn't abuse people so much when they don't agree with your opinion.
RudolphHucker wrote:Yeah, because that would've solved the worlds problems.
I was often flouted for swearing as a nipper. Shame you weren't Stiv!!
Sounds like you've all had more than a few brain cells beaten out of you.
Pikey-Biker
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1:05pm Tue 8 Jan 13
-stiv- wrote:you 'might' have made a valid point until you spoilt it....the ending sort of invalidates the rest of your post..my advice is edit it and submit it again
Just carry on beating children everyone! No, it's fine because you obviously all know best. Every time you beat your kids. I hope a massive bloke, lets say a bouncer gives you a smack as well. That's only fair surely? As long as he's decided you deserve it then its fine right? Well guess what? The woman in the article believed her little one "deserved" it too. Her own little baby for fuČks sake. If you think your kids deserve a smack, these are the things you're doing wrong: 1. You are raising your child to believe violence is ok. 2. You are raising your child to believe violence committed by someone much bigger, stronger and in a position of power over someone smaller and weaker is ok. 3. You actually want to and are prepared to inflict physical pain on a child. Your own child at that. 4. You're too lazy to bring up your child the hard way. By being a kind, attentive parent and using discipline by explaining why their behaviour is wrong. Rewarding good behaviour by positive reinforcement is regarded by EXPERTS i.e people who have the first fuČking clue what they are talking about, to be far more effective in modifying behaviour. There's a reason attitudes are changing. Just look at all the things we're leaving behind. The attitudes and opinions of your grandparents. Were they right just because that's the way things were done in the old days? Racism, Sexism, Beating children, smoking yourself to death. No, we're leaving all that behind for a reason. Things were worse in the old days. We've never had it so good. But no, you all carry in looking back wistfully on a time where you could beat children without being judged. Just stop passing down your dark aged beliefs on the next generation, and so on, and so on. You are the reason you see the youth of today as being out of control. Because nobody gives a fuČk about them, and everybody believes that the best solution is a good beating. and you all sit wallowing in your own ignorance and congratulating yourselves about it. FUČK YOU ALL.
Mary80
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1:53pm Tue 8 Jan 13
J.P.M
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7:31pm Tue 8 Jan 13
LeeB1900
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2:26am Wed 9 Jan 13
Hdg end mo wrote:Do you think Hedge End (which itwould end!!!!!) is any better? Hedge End has a very high rate of burglaries - much higher rate of vehicle theft and all in all an absolute scum part of the County. I don't live in Shirley Warren but Id rather live there than Hedge End given the statistics on Hampshire Police's website.
Shirley warren single mother?
Pikey-Biker
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6:33am Wed 9 Jan 13
Raxx
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8:42am Wed 9 Jan 13
-stiv- wrote:Went off the deep end at the dénouement a bit there old chap!
Just carry on beating children everyone! No, it's fine because you obviously all know best.
Every time you beat your kids. I hope a massive bloke, lets say a bouncer gives you a smack as well. That's only fair surely?
As long as he's decided you deserve it then its fine right? Well guess what? The woman in the article believed her little one "deserved" it too. Her own little baby for fuČks sake.
If you think your kids deserve a smack, these are the things you're doing wrong:
1. You are raising your child to believe violence is ok.
2. You are raising your child to believe violence committed by someone much bigger, stronger and in a position of power over someone smaller and weaker is ok.
3. You actually want to and are prepared to inflict physical pain on a child. Your own child at that.
4. You're too lazy to bring up your child the hard way. By being a kind, attentive parent and using discipline by explaining why their behaviour is wrong. Rewarding good behaviour by positive reinforcement is regarded by EXPERTS i.e people who have the first fuČking clue what they are talking about, to be far more effective in modifying behaviour.
There's a reason attitudes are changing. Just look at all the things we're leaving behind. The attitudes and opinions of your grandparents. Were they right just because that's the way things were done in the old days?
Racism, Sexism, Beating children, smoking yourself to death.
No, we're leaving all that behind for a reason. Things were worse in the old days. We've never had it so good.
But no, you all carry in looking back wistfully on a time where you could beat children without being judged.
Just stop passing down your dark aged beliefs on the next generation, and so on, and so on.
You are the reason you see the youth of today as being out of control. Because nobody gives a fuČk about them, and everybody believes that the best solution is a good beating.
and you all sit wallowing in your own ignorance and congratulating yourselves about it.
FUČK YOU ALL.
But... I totally agree with the meat of what you're saying.
Raxx
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8:58am Thu 10 Jan 13
"Don't hit children.
They have guns these days."
The Music Man says...
11:06am Mon 7 Jan 13