How many people still watch TV in black and white? (From Daily Echo)

Thats a good scam , they will leave you alone as they can see u have a licence and the detector van would not be able to detect wether you have a colour or Black and white television. I bet most these house with a B & W licence have satellite dish as well !!!

wossit wrote:
Thats a good scam , they will leave you alone as they can see u have a licence and the detector van would not be able to detect wether you have a colour or Black and white television. I bet most these house with a B & W licence have satellite dish as well !!!

Many years ago when I lived elsewhere I only had a B&W licence whilst a colour set, I had it for about 10 years, only when I purchased Sky did I have to get colour licence.

The detector van often caught out neighbours of mine.

I am not proud of my actions, just confirming what you have said about scamming the Beeb/licencing authority

Outside of the Box wrote:

wossit wrote:
Thats a good scam , they will leave you alone as they can see u have a licence and the detector van would not be able to detect wether you have a colour or Black and white television. I bet most these house with a B & W licence have satellite dish as well !!!

Many years ago when I lived elsewhere I only had a B&W licence whilst a colour set, I had it for about 10 years, only when I purchased Sky did I have to get colour licence.

The detector van often caught out neighbours of mine.

I am not proud of my actions, just confirming what you have said about scamming the Beeb/licencing authority

For a TV detecter van to be able to detect you it would need to be with in inches to be able to detect the oscillation of the arial, (if you don't believe me then go and get a field strenght meter and see how close you got to get before it will pick up the oscillation signal)
They only catch people by paper work and peeping though windows and them to enter your home.

TV detector vans are a scam. The only way they can tell if you dont have a licence is through data bases and guess work.

Nearly right Southy, just need to pop back to the library and read it again.

The technology DOES exist to detect a receiver (any Television receiver). It is just not as efficient as they would like one to believe.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the aerial.

The frequency detected is not one detectable on a normal RF Field Strength meter, so you are right it would not detect that part.

Yes, records are used nowadays for the main fieldwork, but detection of emissions can be used as evidence if necessary.

southy wrote:

Outside of the Box wrote:

wossit wrote:
Thats a good scam , they will leave you alone as they can see u have a licence and the detector van would not be able to detect wether you have a colour or Black and white television. I bet most these house with a B & W licence have satellite dish as well !!!

Many years ago when I lived elsewhere I only had a B&W licence whilst a colour set, I had it for about 10 years, only when I purchased Sky did I have to get colour licence.

The detector van often caught out neighbours of mine.

I am not proud of my actions, just confirming what you have said about scamming the Beeb/licencing authority

For a TV detecter van to be able to detect you it would need to be with in inches to be able to detect the oscillation of the arial, (if you don't believe me then go and get a field strenght meter and see how close you got to get before it will pick up the oscillation signal)
They only catch people by paper work and peeping though windows and them to enter your home.

Explains why they never caught me then,,,, cheers Southy me old son, if I decide to get rid of my 50'' colour TV and Sky dish I will return to buying a B&W licence so as not to get caught whilst using my 50'' colour TV.

Can you use a B&W TV with a set top box?

I know you can't use then for receiving Skytv

It would more interesting to discover how these people are watching their black and white TV's. They cannot use the internal tuner and the majority would have no scart or video input built in to the set therefore it would difficult to connect a free view box. They may be using a modulator / video recorder to get video in via the aerial socket but its a bit of a palaver. I agree about the detection, the detector van is more of a scare tactic with the bulk of the work done by targeting houses which are not on their database. However I never understand how they find out you have a TV as they are legally entitled to enter your home unless you invite them. You can also watch TV via your computer which is not detectable by their van and if you watch non live TV such as iPlayer you do not need a licence.

That's 'not' legally entitled to enter your house unless they get a warrant.

TV detector vans were a myth! They were empty except for a chap sitting on a stool turning the aerial around on the roof with a handle to give the impression they were 'picking up' your signal. Its all done by data base. I remember the old tv ad with 2 blokes stood outside a house with a 'hand held device' and one bloke saying, 'They're watching Columbo and they're in their living room'. Biggest rip off in this country paying for one channel when the others are free.

X Old Bill wrote:
Nearly right Southy, just need to pop back to the library and read it again.

The technology DOES exist to detect a receiver (any Television receiver). It is just not as efficient as they would like one to believe.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the aerial.

The frequency detected is not one detectable on a normal RF Field Strength meter, so you are right it would not detect that part.

Yes, records are used nowadays for the main fieldwork, but detection of emissions can be used as evidence if necessary.

For an arial to recieve a signal it must produce a wave form of engery, the technology that is around today still means to pick up this signal you need to be a few inches away from a recieving signal arial, if the energy is to strong then it will cut out the recieving signal and becomes a transmission arial which can be track.
Tv Detector vans was a to put fear into people in buying tv licences and not to track them, its is done by paper work and house calls, a normal RF field meter will pick it up so long it is set to the right wave frequency.
no court case as todate as used emissions as edvidence in courts for recieving a tv signal, broadcasting yes recieving no.

rickey wrote:
That's 'not' legally entitled to enter your house unless they get a warrant.

Ricky they use a block warrant but they must be companied by a police officer.
The warrent is made out to all address that they will cover in 7 days that do not have a tv licence.
when they enter your home, they are not allowed to plug in any thing change channels, all they are allowed to do is switch the tv on if it is switch off.

southy wrote:

X Old Bill wrote:
Nearly right Southy, just need to pop back to the library and read it again.

The technology DOES exist to detect a receiver (any Television receiver). It is just not as efficient as they would like one to believe.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the aerial.

The frequency detected is not one detectable on a normal RF Field Strength meter, so you are right it would not detect that part.

Yes, records are used nowadays for the main fieldwork, but detection of emissions can be used as evidence if necessary.

For an arial to recieve a signal it must produce a wave form of engery, the technology that is around today still means to pick up this signal you need to be a few inches away from a recieving signal arial, if the energy is to strong then it will cut out the recieving signal and becomes a transmission arial which can be track.
Tv Detector vans was a to put fear into people in buying tv licences and not to track them, its is done by paper work and house calls, a normal RF field meter will pick it up so long it is set to the right wave frequency.
no court case as todate as used emissions as edvidence in courts for recieving a tv signal, broadcasting yes recieving no.

You still need to go back and read it again and this time try not to pick out just the bits which you think look interesting.

When I say evidence, let me clarify: Supporting evidence to present to a Magistrate in order to get a Warrant to enter the premises. Not Primary evidence and not used for a Prosecution.

southy wrote:

X Old Bill wrote:
Nearly right Southy, just need to pop back to the library and read it again.

The technology DOES exist to detect a receiver (any Television receiver). It is just not as efficient as they would like one to believe.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the aerial.

The frequency detected is not one detectable on a normal RF Field Strength meter, so you are right it would not detect that part.

Yes, records are used nowadays for the main fieldwork, but detection of emissions can be used as evidence if necessary.

For an arial to recieve a signal it must produce a wave form of engery, the technology that is around today still means to pick up this signal you need to be a few inches away from a recieving signal arial, if the energy is to strong then it will cut out the recieving signal and becomes a transmission arial which can be track.
Tv Detector vans was a to put fear into people in buying tv licences and not to track them, its is done by paper work and house calls, a normal RF field meter will pick it up so long it is set to the right wave frequency.
no court case as todate as used emissions as edvidence in courts for recieving a tv signal, broadcasting yes recieving no.

Idiot

In the article's title, Ed Stillard asks:

"How many people still watch TV in black and white?"

I'm pleased to be in a position to answer this question. It's sixty-nine in Southampton, and more thank 13,000 in the UK.

No need to thank me Ed. Happy to help.

cantthinkofone wrote:
In the article's title, Ed Stillard asks:

"How many people still watch TV in black and white?"

I'm pleased to be in a position to answer this question. It's sixty-nine in Southampton, and more thank 13,000 in the UK.

No need to thank me Ed. Happy to help.

plank

andysaints007 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
In the article's title, Ed Stillard asks:

"How many people still watch TV in black and white?"

I'm pleased to be in a position to answer this question. It's sixty-nine in Southampton, and more thank 13,000 in the UK.

No need to thank me Ed. Happy to help.

plank

Well come on, I'm probably still funnier than Frankie Boyle.