Children are "missing out on fluoride"

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Children are "missing out on fluoride"

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EVERY day that goes by without fluoride in Hampshire’s tap water, children are missing out.

That is the message from health professionals who insist the delayed controversial scheme is the best way to improve dental health in Southampton.

It is nearly four years since NHS bosses unanimously approved plans to add the chemical to tap water delivered to nearly 200,000 people, but it is still not in place.

A lengthy legal challenge by opponents and work to finalise details of how the scheme will work mean health chiefs admit they still don’t know exactly when it will be implemented.

And that delay is causing frustration among some dentists and health professionals in Southampton.

Dr Jeyanthi John, a consultant in dental public health for Southampton and Hampshire, said fluoridation is still needed to reduce high levels of tooth decay in children.

She said: “We’re missing out on the benefits every day and year that goes by without it in place.

“We still have 450 to 500 children having teeth extracted under general anaesthetic every year – that hasn’t changed.

“We have teams going out to carry out health promotion in the community and they’re still seeing high levels of decay, and dentists are still seeing high levels of decay.

“The local dental community ask me every time I go out to them when the fluoridation scheme is going to be in place and why it hasn’t happened.

“Our local health professionals have reiterated their support for the water fluoridation scheme.”

Despite claims from opponents that fluoridation is not effective and carries the risk of health problems, Dr John said she believes it will bring major benefits.

She said: “Over the last ten years Southampton children’s dental health has always been shown to be poor compared to other places.

“We would like to see Southampton children have the best dental health in the country.

“We’re halfway down the list at the moment, which is very poor from our point of view.

“We looked at areas around the country to see who has achieved the best dental health and it’s in the West Midlands, where they have a combination of methods using a population-wide measure like water fluoridation supplemented with targeted oral health initiatives that encourage children to brush their teeth.

“We looked at that and thought we wanted it for us.

“We have those community measures and will continue them.

“Fluoridation reaches everyone in the community, whereas all the other things we do it ends up with only those people who attend.

“Poor dental health is more prevalent in people from more deprived backgrounds.

These are the groups who are least likely to access some kind of health care.

“They will benefit even if they don’t eat the right foods all the time.”

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8:35am Sat 12 Jan 13

sparkster says...

I agree to some point, though there is fluoride in toothpaste, i feel a lot of dental decay could be prevented in children if they were encouraged to brush their teeth more and parents can help by limiting the amount of sweets their children have. When our son was small, he was allowed sweets once a week and then his teeth were brushed afterwards. I work in a shop and during half term the children come in several times a day for fizzy drinks and sweets. 0ur son is now 28 and has a healthy set of teeth with no fillings
I agree to some point, though there is fluoride in toothpaste, i feel a lot of dental decay could be prevented in children if they were encouraged to brush their teeth more and parents can help by limiting the amount of sweets their children have. When our son was small, he was allowed sweets once a week and then his teeth were brushed afterwards. I work in a shop and during half term the children come in several times a day for fizzy drinks and sweets. 0ur son is now 28 and has a healthy set of teeth with no fillings sparkster
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8:36am Sat 12 Jan 13

tootle says...

Considering most children will be more likely to eat toothpaste than drink water I really fail to see just what this will achieve other than to cost money and lots of. Having done his research one member of my family has already bought fluoride free toothpaste for the youngest members ready for the day!.
Considering most children will be more likely to eat toothpaste than drink water I really fail to see just what this will achieve other than to cost money and lots of. Having done his research one member of my family has already bought fluoride free toothpaste for the youngest members ready for the day!. tootle
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8:40am Sat 12 Jan 13

hulla baloo says...

Meanwhile the argument goes on regarding the adding of 'poisons and toxins' to drinking water, against the wishes of many. Would have been far easier and quicker to make available from chemists, flouride tablets for those that want them.
Meanwhile the argument goes on regarding the adding of 'poisons and toxins' to drinking water, against the wishes of many. Would have been far easier and quicker to make available from chemists, flouride tablets for those that want them. hulla baloo
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10:05am Sat 12 Jan 13

Linesman says...

Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals. Linesman
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11:01am Sat 12 Jan 13

peenut81 says...

Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population. peenut81
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11:19am Sat 12 Jan 13

peenut81 says...

The most unconvincing case FOR fluoridation put forward by the 'professionals' responsible for the decision in this area : http://www.eastleigh
.gov.uk/meetings/mgC
onvert2PDF.aspx?ID=1
2891
They admit data on long term effects does not include those who actually have long term exposure in the West Midlands, continue to repeat the mantra of cost efficiency and that a blanket cover is best. They claim all 3.5million people in W. Midlands 'do not have an issue' and contradict each other on severity of fluorosis and the European response.
Surely a better and more cost effective approach is to buy every schoolchild in Britain a toothbrush each term and have compulsary brushing at 8.55 and again after lunch?
The most unconvincing case FOR fluoridation put forward by the 'professionals' responsible for the decision in this area : http://www.eastleigh .gov.uk/meetings/mgC onvert2PDF.aspx?ID=1 2891 They admit data on long term effects does not include those who actually have long term exposure in the West Midlands, continue to repeat the mantra of cost efficiency and that a blanket cover is best. They claim all 3.5million people in W. Midlands 'do not have an issue' and contradict each other on severity of fluorosis and the European response. Surely a better and more cost effective approach is to buy every schoolchild in Britain a toothbrush each term and have compulsary brushing at 8.55 and again after lunch? peenut81
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11:48am Sat 12 Jan 13

southy says...

peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take. southy
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12:31pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Fluoride is a toxin and a contaminant, it causes a leaching effect on metals, especially lead and copper, both of which are toxic heavy metals if they leach into the water more than they already do, also, medicating a whole area is illegal and goes against the human rights of every single citizen in the area.
Fluoride is a toxin and a contaminant, it causes a leaching effect on metals, especially lead and copper, both of which are toxic heavy metals if they leach into the water more than they already do, also, medicating a whole area is illegal and goes against the human rights of every single citizen in the area. Ginger_cyclist
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12:48pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Bagamn says...

Linesman,
This group of people at the area medical board are a quango that was set up by the government and not elected. They haave been told several times that their thoughts are not wanted. A typical quango that thinks that they cannot be done without but is being disbanded this Spring. They are trying to force flouride through before they are no more and can't be held responsible
Linesman, This group of people at the area medical board are a quango that was set up by the government and not elected. They haave been told several times that their thoughts are not wanted. A typical quango that thinks that they cannot be done without but is being disbanded this Spring. They are trying to force flouride through before they are no more and can't be held responsible Bagamn
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1:25pm Sat 12 Jan 13

elvisimo says...

Linesman wrote:
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family.
If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk.
I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.[/p][/quote]You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family. If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk. I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider. elvisimo
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1:59pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Linesman says...

peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint? Linesman
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2:10pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Linesman says...

elvisimo wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family.
If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk.
I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider.
"My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family."

I agree. Those parents who did not permit their children to have the MMR vaccine did just that, being prepared to listen to the advice from ONE doctor, with no practical experience or evidence to back up what he was claiming, as opposed to the health authorities who had years of experience and access to years of clinical studies.

People talk about the introduction of poisons into the water supply.

Sodium is a poison and so is chloride, but we all consume it on a daily basis in the form of salt.

We consume it in relatively small quantities - although some consume more, and health experts warn us not to 'overdose' on it.

In small doses it is beneficial, but in large doses it is harmful.

Spot the similarity with fluoride.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.[/p][/quote]You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family. If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk. I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider.[/p][/quote]"My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family." I agree. Those parents who did not permit their children to have the MMR vaccine did just that, being prepared to listen to the advice from ONE doctor, with no practical experience or evidence to back up what he was claiming, as opposed to the health authorities who had years of experience and access to years of clinical studies. People talk about the introduction of poisons into the water supply. Sodium is a poison and so is chloride, but we all consume it on a daily basis in the form of salt. We consume it in relatively small quantities - although some consume more, and health experts warn us not to 'overdose' on it. In small doses it is beneficial, but in large doses it is harmful. Spot the similarity with fluoride. Linesman
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2:18pm Sat 12 Jan 13

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family.
If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk.
I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider.
"My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family."

I agree. Those parents who did not permit their children to have the MMR vaccine did just that, being prepared to listen to the advice from ONE doctor, with no practical experience or evidence to back up what he was claiming, as opposed to the health authorities who had years of experience and access to years of clinical studies.

People talk about the introduction of poisons into the water supply.

Sodium is a poison and so is chloride, but we all consume it on a daily basis in the form of salt.

We consume it in relatively small quantities - although some consume more, and health experts warn us not to 'overdose' on it.

In small doses it is beneficial, but in large doses it is harmful.

Spot the similarity with fluoride.
The body can not dispose of this type fluoride Lines it just builds up in the body and the after effects are 30 to 80 years after, With salt its only a real big problem when it enters the blood stream in large doses, but the body can normally depose of it
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.[/p][/quote]You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family. If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk. I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider.[/p][/quote]"My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family." I agree. Those parents who did not permit their children to have the MMR vaccine did just that, being prepared to listen to the advice from ONE doctor, with no practical experience or evidence to back up what he was claiming, as opposed to the health authorities who had years of experience and access to years of clinical studies. People talk about the introduction of poisons into the water supply. Sodium is a poison and so is chloride, but we all consume it on a daily basis in the form of salt. We consume it in relatively small quantities - although some consume more, and health experts warn us not to 'overdose' on it. In small doses it is beneficial, but in large doses it is harmful. Spot the similarity with fluoride.[/p][/quote]The body can not dispose of this type fluoride Lines it just builds up in the body and the after effects are 30 to 80 years after, With salt its only a real big problem when it enters the blood stream in large doses, but the body can normally depose of it southy
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3:21pm Sat 12 Jan 13

freefinker says...

Linesman wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family.
If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk.
I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider.
"My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family."

I agree. Those parents who did not permit their children to have the MMR vaccine did just that, being prepared to listen to the advice from ONE doctor, with no practical experience or evidence to back up what he was claiming, as opposed to the health authorities who had years of experience and access to years of clinical studies.

People talk about the introduction of poisons into the water supply.

Sodium is a poison and so is chloride, but we all consume it on a daily basis in the form of salt.

We consume it in relatively small quantities - although some consume more, and health experts warn us not to 'overdose' on it.

In small doses it is beneficial, but in large doses it is harmful.

Spot the similarity with fluoride.
1) For every MMR debacle I can quote you an nvCJD disaster. The experts were all wrong on that one, weren't they?
2) Your sodium chloride analogy is rather stupid. You could say the same thing on hydrogen and oxygen – both explosive gasses but together form water. It is the resulting molecular product that needs to be assessed. Salt (in small doses) and water are perfectly safe. I may be wrong, but combining fluoride with any other atom(s) still gives you a poison.
3) Yes, agreed, it’s all in the dose. And the dose is unquantifiable when this chemical is added to the water supply as we all consume differing quantities of water – and remember it will also enter the body through the skin so bathing and showering also need to be taken into account. The dose given to new-borns in infant milk formula at the ppm being suggested will almost certainly lead to intakes exceeding the US ‘safe limit’.
4) It’s in toothpaste at no extra cost. Why should I have to accept this mass medication exercise just because of a few?
5) The fluoridated Midland statistics are not dissimilar to most non-fluoridated areas. Educational programmes are showing considerable improvements in dental health – see the recent Scottish results.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.[/p][/quote]You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family. If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk. I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider.[/p][/quote]"My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family." I agree. Those parents who did not permit their children to have the MMR vaccine did just that, being prepared to listen to the advice from ONE doctor, with no practical experience or evidence to back up what he was claiming, as opposed to the health authorities who had years of experience and access to years of clinical studies. People talk about the introduction of poisons into the water supply. Sodium is a poison and so is chloride, but we all consume it on a daily basis in the form of salt. We consume it in relatively small quantities - although some consume more, and health experts warn us not to 'overdose' on it. In small doses it is beneficial, but in large doses it is harmful. Spot the similarity with fluoride.[/p][/quote]1) For every MMR debacle I can quote you an nvCJD disaster. The experts were all wrong on that one, weren't they? 2) Your sodium chloride analogy is rather stupid. You could say the same thing on hydrogen and oxygen – both explosive gasses but together form water. It is the resulting molecular product that needs to be assessed. Salt (in small doses) and water are perfectly safe. I may be wrong, but combining fluoride with any other atom(s) still gives you a poison. 3) Yes, agreed, it’s all in the dose. And the dose is unquantifiable when this chemical is added to the water supply as we all consume differing quantities of water – and remember it will also enter the body through the skin so bathing and showering also need to be taken into account. The dose given to new-borns in infant milk formula at the ppm being suggested will almost certainly lead to intakes exceeding the US ‘safe limit’. 4) It’s in toothpaste at no extra cost. Why should I have to accept this mass medication exercise just because of a few? 5) The fluoridated Midland statistics are not dissimilar to most non-fluoridated areas. Educational programmes are showing considerable improvements in dental health – see the recent Scottish results. freefinker
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3:28pm Sat 12 Jan 13

sungie1$ says...

Flouride ?
There is no escape, nowhere to hide
for the people of hampshire, despite their pride.You will do as you are told say the S. H. A.. you will drink our flouride and still have to pay. Brittle bones ? Thyroid problems? people with no say will be among the many Victims to help fight tooth decay. Despite your cries of protest, your anti flouride campaign, your 10,000,signature petition, all will be in vain?Your plea, to the prime minister, for a Democratic vote, has fallen on deaf ears he wont rock the boat.Your letters, to the Echo:s Great Flouride debate. Will become a part of History when flouride decides your Fate. Despite your many protests?We have another Year ,David Cameron moved the goalposts, to alleviate our fear.We can now proceed at leisure, to Doctor your tap water.Welcome to DEMOCRACY? as Lambs to the Slaughter? R. I. P. abw.
Flouride ? There is no escape, nowhere to hide for the people of hampshire, despite their pride.You will do as you are told say the S. H. A.. you will drink our flouride and still have to pay. Brittle bones ? Thyroid problems? people with no say will be among the many Victims to help fight tooth decay. Despite your cries of protest, your anti flouride campaign, your 10,000,signature petition, all will be in vain?Your plea, to the prime minister, for a Democratic vote, has fallen on deaf ears he wont rock the boat.Your letters, to the Echo:s Great Flouride debate. Will become a part of History when flouride decides your Fate. Despite your many protests?We have another Year ,David Cameron moved the goalposts, to alleviate our fear.We can now proceed at leisure, to Doctor your tap water.Welcome to DEMOCRACY? as Lambs to the Slaughter? R. I. P. abw. sungie1$
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3:41pm Sat 12 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.
Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago.

1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954.
2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA.

When will you ever learn?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.[/p][/quote]Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago. 1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954. 2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA. When will you ever learn? freefinker
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4:10pm Sat 12 Jan 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.
Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago.

1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954.
2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA.

When will you ever learn?
Your wrong yet again free, the 1954 meeting was the setting up of the steering commitee, the go between the inner and out circle, the very first meeting on the last days of the wwii in 1945.
Bilderberg do not I repeat Do Not Have Any Website, they do not even publish what have taking place in any of there meetings, recording of the meeting by film and sound or both is not premitted, members of the press and historians are not allowed to any of the meetings, and what you read on that site is a fake site.
And if the Bilderberg group was to have any form of web site then it would be base in Holland not the USA.
When will you learn.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.[/p][/quote]Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago. 1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954. 2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA. When will you ever learn?[/p][/quote]Your wrong yet again free, the 1954 meeting was the setting up of the steering commitee, the go between the inner and out circle, the very first meeting on the last days of the wwii in 1945. Bilderberg do not I repeat Do Not Have Any Website, they do not even publish what have taking place in any of there meetings, recording of the meeting by film and sound or both is not premitted, members of the press and historians are not allowed to any of the meetings, and what you read on that site is a fake site. And if the Bilderberg group was to have any form of web site then it would be base in Holland not the USA. When will you learn. southy
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4:11pm Sat 12 Jan 13

housewife says...

I still do not understand how adding fluoride to the water that goes into the washing machine, toilet and car wash will make the least bit of difference to children with a poor diet who do not brush their teeth.
.
What proportion of water used actually gets drunk / ingested?
.
The only figures I have found suggest around 5%
.
So why are we wasting money adding fluoride to the rest?
I still do not understand how adding fluoride to the water that goes into the washing machine, toilet and car wash will make the least bit of difference to children with a poor diet who do not brush their teeth. . What proportion of water used actually gets drunk / ingested? . The only figures I have found suggest around 5% . So why are we wasting money adding fluoride to the rest? housewife
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4:31pm Sat 12 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.
Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago.

1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954.
2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA.

When will you ever learn?
Your wrong yet again free, the 1954 meeting was the setting up of the steering commitee, the go between the inner and out circle, the very first meeting on the last days of the wwii in 1945.
Bilderberg do not I repeat Do Not Have Any Website, they do not even publish what have taking place in any of there meetings, recording of the meeting by film and sound or both is not premitted, members of the press and historians are not allowed to any of the meetings, and what you read on that site is a fake site.
And if the Bilderberg group was to have any form of web site then it would be base in Holland not the USA.
When will you learn.
.. wrong, wrong and wrong again.

The only reference to a 1945 start on the whole www is your very own contribution.

Their OFFICIAL site is http://www.bilderber
gmeetings.org/index.
php

It IS in the Netherlands. Your silly bit a few months ago, when you showed your ignorance of all things internet by claiming this site was a USA fake, was well and truly debugged by others - but you chose to ignore that, as usual.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.[/p][/quote]Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago. 1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954. 2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA. When will you ever learn?[/p][/quote]Your wrong yet again free, the 1954 meeting was the setting up of the steering commitee, the go between the inner and out circle, the very first meeting on the last days of the wwii in 1945. Bilderberg do not I repeat Do Not Have Any Website, they do not even publish what have taking place in any of there meetings, recording of the meeting by film and sound or both is not premitted, members of the press and historians are not allowed to any of the meetings, and what you read on that site is a fake site. And if the Bilderberg group was to have any form of web site then it would be base in Holland not the USA. When will you learn.[/p][/quote].. wrong, wrong and wrong again. The only reference to a 1945 start on the whole www is your very own contribution. Their OFFICIAL site is http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php It IS in the Netherlands. Your silly bit a few months ago, when you showed your ignorance of all things internet by claiming this site was a USA fake, was well and truly debugged by others - but you chose to ignore that, as usual. freefinker
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5:09pm Sat 12 Jan 13

ColCGE says...

Linesman wrote:
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
Oh dear what a can of worms this line of argument opens... pity no one could have warned about the dangers of Thalidomide and a good job Southampton's SHA were not the final arbiter on whether it should be withdrawn from use.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.[/p][/quote]Oh dear what a can of worms this line of argument opens... pity no one could have warned about the dangers of Thalidomide and a good job Southampton's SHA were not the final arbiter on whether it should be withdrawn from use. ColCGE
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5:19pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Linesman wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?[/p][/quote]Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride. Ginger_cyclist
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5:39pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Inform Al says...

Linesman wrote:
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
That's why I can no longer visit the Midlands or the Newcastle area as I develop Coeliac symptons every time which go a few months after returning to areas with unpoisoned water supplies. I did suggest to Dr Andrew Mortimor the health officer that I should be subjected to a biopsy to either confirm or disprove the effect of whatever poison included with the fluoride has on my alimentary canal. Surprise surprise, he didn't want to know.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.[/p][/quote]That's why I can no longer visit the Midlands or the Newcastle area as I develop Coeliac symptons every time which go a few months after returning to areas with unpoisoned water supplies. I did suggest to Dr Andrew Mortimor the health officer that I should be subjected to a biopsy to either confirm or disprove the effect of whatever poison included with the fluoride has on my alimentary canal. Surprise surprise, he didn't want to know. Inform Al
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6:00pm Sat 12 Jan 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.
Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago.

1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954.
2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA.

When will you ever learn?
Your wrong yet again free, the 1954 meeting was the setting up of the steering commitee, the go between the inner and out circle, the very first meeting on the last days of the wwii in 1945.
Bilderberg do not I repeat Do Not Have Any Website, they do not even publish what have taking place in any of there meetings, recording of the meeting by film and sound or both is not premitted, members of the press and historians are not allowed to any of the meetings, and what you read on that site is a fake site.
And if the Bilderberg group was to have any form of web site then it would be base in Holland not the USA.
When will you learn.
.. wrong, wrong and wrong again.

The only reference to a 1945 start on the whole www is your very own contribution.

Their OFFICIAL site is http://www.bilderber

gmeetings.org/index.

php

It IS in the Netherlands. Your silly bit a few months ago, when you showed your ignorance of all things internet by claiming this site was a USA fake, was well and truly debugged by others - but you chose to ignore that, as usual.
Freefinker now listen cafefully, there are no offical Bilderberg web site, they will not publish any thing, they do not even publish where and when the meetings are or who been invited, and are only known about by people are invited who slip up and say where and when.
That web site that was posted on here was from the Toronto Anazon Building in Canada that is your php, and not from Holland, you did not even know about them till I said about them on more than one occation on this site, and I only got wondering about them my self back in the early 80's when Thatcher slip up and said on TV about them, 1945 was when they first meet at the Bilderberg Hotel, Bilderberg Holland. and the refence that you make on 1954 is when the streering committee was set up and the first invites meetings.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.[/p][/quote]Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago. 1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954. 2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA. When will you ever learn?[/p][/quote]Your wrong yet again free, the 1954 meeting was the setting up of the steering commitee, the go between the inner and out circle, the very first meeting on the last days of the wwii in 1945. Bilderberg do not I repeat Do Not Have Any Website, they do not even publish what have taking place in any of there meetings, recording of the meeting by film and sound or both is not premitted, members of the press and historians are not allowed to any of the meetings, and what you read on that site is a fake site. And if the Bilderberg group was to have any form of web site then it would be base in Holland not the USA. When will you learn.[/p][/quote].. wrong, wrong and wrong again. The only reference to a 1945 start on the whole www is your very own contribution. Their OFFICIAL site is http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php It IS in the Netherlands. Your silly bit a few months ago, when you showed your ignorance of all things internet by claiming this site was a USA fake, was well and truly debugged by others - but you chose to ignore that, as usual.[/p][/quote]Freefinker now listen cafefully, there are no offical Bilderberg web site, they will not publish any thing, they do not even publish where and when the meetings are or who been invited, and are only known about by people are invited who slip up and say where and when. That web site that was posted on here was from the Toronto Anazon Building in Canada that is your php, and not from Holland, you did not even know about them till I said about them on more than one occation on this site, and I only got wondering about them my self back in the early 80's when Thatcher slip up and said on TV about them, 1945 was when they first meet at the Bilderberg Hotel, Bilderberg Holland. and the refence that you make on 1954 is when the streering committee was set up and the first invites meetings. southy
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6:05pm Sat 12 Jan 13

southy says...

housewife wrote:
I still do not understand how adding fluoride to the water that goes into the washing machine, toilet and car wash will make the least bit of difference to children with a poor diet who do not brush their teeth.
.
What proportion of water used actually gets drunk / ingested?
.
The only figures I have found suggest around 5%
.
So why are we wasting money adding fluoride to the rest?
~Its a way to get rid of industral waste, with out that industries that have fluoride by-product waste would have to pay out a furture to dispose of this waste in a safe and proper manor.
[quote][p][bold]housewife[/bold] wrote: I still do not understand how adding fluoride to the water that goes into the washing machine, toilet and car wash will make the least bit of difference to children with a poor diet who do not brush their teeth. . What proportion of water used actually gets drunk / ingested? . The only figures I have found suggest around 5% . So why are we wasting money adding fluoride to the rest?[/p][/quote]~Its a way to get rid of industral waste, with out that industries that have fluoride by-product waste would have to pay out a furture to dispose of this waste in a safe and proper manor. southy
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6:14pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Turtlebay says...

A number of studies have linked fluoride to as many as 10,000 cancer deaths in the US each year, with a high incidence of bone cancer among men exposed to fluoride. That bone cancer link has been confirmed by research results that have not been published. In fact, it appears that someone may have tried to bury those results….!
http://www.thehealth
ierlife.co.uk/natura
l-health-articles/ca
ncer/fluoride-linked
-high-incidence-bone
-cancer-00121/
A number of studies have linked fluoride to as many as 10,000 cancer deaths in the US each year, with a high incidence of bone cancer among men exposed to fluoride. That bone cancer link has been confirmed by research results that have not been published. In fact, it appears that someone may have tried to bury those results….! http://www.thehealth ierlife.co.uk/natura l-health-articles/ca ncer/fluoride-linked -high-incidence-bone -cancer-00121/ Turtlebay
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6:38pm Sat 12 Jan 13

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.
Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago.

1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954.
2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA.

When will you ever learn?
Your wrong yet again free, the 1954 meeting was the setting up of the steering commitee, the go between the inner and out circle, the very first meeting on the last days of the wwii in 1945.
Bilderberg do not I repeat Do Not Have Any Website, they do not even publish what have taking place in any of there meetings, recording of the meeting by film and sound or both is not premitted, members of the press and historians are not allowed to any of the meetings, and what you read on that site is a fake site.
And if the Bilderberg group was to have any form of web site then it would be base in Holland not the USA.
When will you learn.
.. wrong, wrong and wrong again.

The only reference to a 1945 start on the whole www is your very own contribution.

Their OFFICIAL site is http://www.bilderber


gmeetings.org/index.


php

It IS in the Netherlands. Your silly bit a few months ago, when you showed your ignorance of all things internet by claiming this site was a USA fake, was well and truly debugged by others - but you chose to ignore that, as usual.
Freefinker now listen cafefully, there are no offical Bilderberg web site, they will not publish any thing, they do not even publish where and when the meetings are or who been invited, and are only known about by people are invited who slip up and say where and when.
That web site that was posted on here was from the Toronto Anazon Building in Canada that is your php, and not from Holland, you did not even know about them till I said about them on more than one occation on this site, and I only got wondering about them my self back in the early 80's when Thatcher slip up and said on TV about them, 1945 was when they first meet at the Bilderberg Hotel, Bilderberg Holland. and the refence that you make on 1954 is when the streering committee was set up and the first invites meetings.
Southy, look at this link http://whois.domaint
ools.com/bilderbergm
eetings.org

Infact use any whois website they will all give you the same info, it's not made up it's all official and above board!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.[/p][/quote]Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago. 1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954. 2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA. When will you ever learn?[/p][/quote]Your wrong yet again free, the 1954 meeting was the setting up of the steering commitee, the go between the inner and out circle, the very first meeting on the last days of the wwii in 1945. Bilderberg do not I repeat Do Not Have Any Website, they do not even publish what have taking place in any of there meetings, recording of the meeting by film and sound or both is not premitted, members of the press and historians are not allowed to any of the meetings, and what you read on that site is a fake site. And if the Bilderberg group was to have any form of web site then it would be base in Holland not the USA. When will you learn.[/p][/quote].. wrong, wrong and wrong again. The only reference to a 1945 start on the whole www is your very own contribution. Their OFFICIAL site is http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php It IS in the Netherlands. Your silly bit a few months ago, when you showed your ignorance of all things internet by claiming this site was a USA fake, was well and truly debugged by others - but you chose to ignore that, as usual.[/p][/quote]Freefinker now listen cafefully, there are no offical Bilderberg web site, they will not publish any thing, they do not even publish where and when the meetings are or who been invited, and are only known about by people are invited who slip up and say where and when. That web site that was posted on here was from the Toronto Anazon Building in Canada that is your php, and not from Holland, you did not even know about them till I said about them on more than one occation on this site, and I only got wondering about them my self back in the early 80's when Thatcher slip up and said on TV about them, 1945 was when they first meet at the Bilderberg Hotel, Bilderberg Holland. and the refence that you make on 1954 is when the streering committee was set up and the first invites meetings.[/p][/quote]Southy, look at this link http://whois.domaint ools.com/bilderbergm eetings.org Infact use any whois website they will all give you the same info, it's not made up it's all official and above board! IronLady2010
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8:16pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Inform Al says...

southy wrote:
housewife wrote:
I still do not understand how adding fluoride to the water that goes into the washing machine, toilet and car wash will make the least bit of difference to children with a poor diet who do not brush their teeth.
.
What proportion of water used actually gets drunk / ingested?
.
The only figures I have found suggest around 5%
.
So why are we wasting money adding fluoride to the rest?
~Its a way to get rid of industral waste, with out that industries that have fluoride by-product waste would have to pay out a furture to dispose of this waste in a safe and proper manor.
Yes, we know that the waste includes aluminium which is strongly suspected of being a cause of dementia. Makes one wonder who is pocketing the backhander.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]housewife[/bold] wrote: I still do not understand how adding fluoride to the water that goes into the washing machine, toilet and car wash will make the least bit of difference to children with a poor diet who do not brush their teeth. . What proportion of water used actually gets drunk / ingested? . The only figures I have found suggest around 5% . So why are we wasting money adding fluoride to the rest?[/p][/quote]~Its a way to get rid of industral waste, with out that industries that have fluoride by-product waste would have to pay out a furture to dispose of this waste in a safe and proper manor.[/p][/quote]Yes, we know that the waste includes aluminium which is strongly suspected of being a cause of dementia. Makes one wonder who is pocketing the backhander. Inform Al
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8:40pm Sat 12 Jan 13

southy says...

That fair site to work by, but digg deeper and you come across around 147 domains that are associated with Bilderberg meetings so if any which one is the Bilderbergs, I all ready know there are none that are offical to the group.

there are a number of people all round the world that look out for information relating to the Bilderberg Organization, like its all ready known that the Trilateral Commission, will take place in Berlin, around March 15 to 17, so if you want to meet Rockefeller or Rothchild be there.

And I tell you now there are no offical Bilderberg web site, they do not want the publicly, members complained at the meeting in Spain because of the media attention and they pulled the meetings out of Europe because of it.
That fair site to work by, but digg deeper and you come across around 147 domains that are associated with Bilderberg meetings so if any which one is the Bilderbergs, I all ready know there are none that are offical to the group. there are a number of people all round the world that look out for information relating to the Bilderberg Organization, like its all ready known that the Trilateral Commission, will take place in Berlin, around March 15 to 17, so if you want to meet Rockefeller or Rothchild be there. And I tell you now there are no offical Bilderberg web site, they do not want the publicly, members complained at the meeting in Spain because of the media attention and they pulled the meetings out of Europe because of it. southy
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8:56pm Sat 12 Jan 13

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
That fair site to work by, but digg deeper and you come across around 147 domains that are associated with Bilderberg meetings so if any which one is the Bilderbergs, I all ready know there are none that are offical to the group.

there are a number of people all round the world that look out for information relating to the Bilderberg Organization, like its all ready known that the Trilateral Commission, will take place in Berlin, around March 15 to 17, so if you want to meet Rockefeller or Rothchild be there.

And I tell you now there are no offical Bilderberg web site, they do not want the publicly, members complained at the meeting in Spain because of the media attention and they pulled the meetings out of Europe because of it.
The other websites are not associated Southy, they are similar in name only. The link I provided gives suggestions for similar names, they are not linked, but are similar in name only.

If you look, the website in question is registered and is in service from the area that Bilderberg are from.

What evidence do you have that the website is fake? Other than your say so?

I provided you with links, now provide me with your evidence!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: That fair site to work by, but digg deeper and you come across around 147 domains that are associated with Bilderberg meetings so if any which one is the Bilderbergs, I all ready know there are none that are offical to the group. there are a number of people all round the world that look out for information relating to the Bilderberg Organization, like its all ready known that the Trilateral Commission, will take place in Berlin, around March 15 to 17, so if you want to meet Rockefeller or Rothchild be there. And I tell you now there are no offical Bilderberg web site, they do not want the publicly, members complained at the meeting in Spain because of the media attention and they pulled the meetings out of Europe because of it.[/p][/quote]The other websites are not associated Southy, they are similar in name only. The link I provided gives suggestions for similar names, they are not linked, but are similar in name only. If you look, the website in question is registered and is in service from the area that Bilderberg are from. What evidence do you have that the website is fake? Other than your say so? I provided you with links, now provide me with your evidence! IronLady2010
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9:09pm Sat 12 Jan 13

freefinker says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
That fair site to work by, but digg deeper and you come across around 147 domains that are associated with Bilderberg meetings so if any which one is the Bilderbergs, I all ready know there are none that are offical to the group.

there are a number of people all round the world that look out for information relating to the Bilderberg Organization, like its all ready known that the Trilateral Commission, will take place in Berlin, around March 15 to 17, so if you want to meet Rockefeller or Rothchild be there.

And I tell you now there are no offical Bilderberg web site, they do not want the publicly, members complained at the meeting in Spain because of the media attention and they pulled the meetings out of Europe because of it.
The other websites are not associated Southy, they are similar in name only. The link I provided gives suggestions for similar names, they are not linked, but are similar in name only.

If you look, the website in question is registered and is in service from the area that Bilderberg are from.

What evidence do you have that the website is fake? Other than your say so?

I provided you with links, now provide me with your evidence!
.. he can't provide the evidence because he knows what you and I are saying is true; but he can't admit he's wrong.

Fact - Bilderberg started in 1954 not 1945.
Fact - they do have a website, and it's registered in the Netherlands.
Fact - their website includes full details of all their meetings going back to 1954 (not 1945)
Fact - for all recent meetings it gives a full list of attendees.
Fact - southy is wrong again.

Now added to my 2013 southy’s bloomers list.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: That fair site to work by, but digg deeper and you come across around 147 domains that are associated with Bilderberg meetings so if any which one is the Bilderbergs, I all ready know there are none that are offical to the group. there are a number of people all round the world that look out for information relating to the Bilderberg Organization, like its all ready known that the Trilateral Commission, will take place in Berlin, around March 15 to 17, so if you want to meet Rockefeller or Rothchild be there. And I tell you now there are no offical Bilderberg web site, they do not want the publicly, members complained at the meeting in Spain because of the media attention and they pulled the meetings out of Europe because of it.[/p][/quote]The other websites are not associated Southy, they are similar in name only. The link I provided gives suggestions for similar names, they are not linked, but are similar in name only. If you look, the website in question is registered and is in service from the area that Bilderberg are from. What evidence do you have that the website is fake? Other than your say so? I provided you with links, now provide me with your evidence![/p][/quote].. he can't provide the evidence because he knows what you and I are saying is true; but he can't admit he's wrong. Fact - Bilderberg started in 1954 not 1945. Fact - they do have a website, and it's registered in the Netherlands. Fact - their website includes full details of all their meetings going back to 1954 (not 1945) Fact - for all recent meetings it gives a full list of attendees. Fact - southy is wrong again. Now added to my 2013 southy’s bloomers list. freefinker
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10:59pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Linesman says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family.
If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk.
I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider.
"My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family."

I agree. Those parents who did not permit their children to have the MMR vaccine did just that, being prepared to listen to the advice from ONE doctor, with no practical experience or evidence to back up what he was claiming, as opposed to the health authorities who had years of experience and access to years of clinical studies.

People talk about the introduction of poisons into the water supply.

Sodium is a poison and so is chloride, but we all consume it on a daily basis in the form of salt.

We consume it in relatively small quantities - although some consume more, and health experts warn us not to 'overdose' on it.

In small doses it is beneficial, but in large doses it is harmful.

Spot the similarity with fluoride.
The body can not dispose of this type fluoride Lines it just builds up in the body and the after effects are 30 to 80 years after, With salt its only a real big problem when it enters the blood stream in large doses, but the body can normally depose of it
If that's the case southy, why have they not been dropping like ninepins in the Midlands where it has been added for more than 50 years.

There are plenty of people who have a theory.

The Midlands is a fact, and it proves so many anti-fluoride theories to be wrong.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.[/p][/quote]You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family. If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk. I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider.[/p][/quote]"My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family." I agree. Those parents who did not permit their children to have the MMR vaccine did just that, being prepared to listen to the advice from ONE doctor, with no practical experience or evidence to back up what he was claiming, as opposed to the health authorities who had years of experience and access to years of clinical studies. People talk about the introduction of poisons into the water supply. Sodium is a poison and so is chloride, but we all consume it on a daily basis in the form of salt. We consume it in relatively small quantities - although some consume more, and health experts warn us not to 'overdose' on it. In small doses it is beneficial, but in large doses it is harmful. Spot the similarity with fluoride.[/p][/quote]The body can not dispose of this type fluoride Lines it just builds up in the body and the after effects are 30 to 80 years after, With salt its only a real big problem when it enters the blood stream in large doses, but the body can normally depose of it[/p][/quote]If that's the case southy, why have they not been dropping like ninepins in the Midlands where it has been added for more than 50 years. There are plenty of people who have a theory. The Midlands is a fact, and it proves so many anti-fluoride theories to be wrong. Linesman
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11:04pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Linesman says...

ColCGE wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
Oh dear what a can of worms this line of argument opens... pity no one could have warned about the dangers of Thalidomide and a good job Southampton's SHA were not the final arbiter on whether it should be withdrawn from use.
Agreed. Should never have accepted the assurances given by the foreign manufacturers.
[quote][p][bold]ColCGE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.[/p][/quote]Oh dear what a can of worms this line of argument opens... pity no one could have warned about the dangers of Thalidomide and a good job Southampton's SHA were not the final arbiter on whether it should be withdrawn from use.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Should never have accepted the assurances given by the foreign manufacturers. Linesman
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11:06pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Linesman says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.
Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe.

I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands.

That is not theory, that is hard fact.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?[/p][/quote]Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.[/p][/quote]Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe. I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands. That is not theory, that is hard fact. Linesman
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11:08pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Linesman says...

Inform Al wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
That's why I can no longer visit the Midlands or the Newcastle area as I develop Coeliac symptons every time which go a few months after returning to areas with unpoisoned water supplies. I did suggest to Dr Andrew Mortimor the health officer that I should be subjected to a biopsy to either confirm or disprove the effect of whatever poison included with the fluoride has on my alimentary canal. Surprise surprise, he didn't want to know.
You could always pay for a consultation with a specialist.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.[/p][/quote]That's why I can no longer visit the Midlands or the Newcastle area as I develop Coeliac symptons every time which go a few months after returning to areas with unpoisoned water supplies. I did suggest to Dr Andrew Mortimor the health officer that I should be subjected to a biopsy to either confirm or disprove the effect of whatever poison included with the fluoride has on my alimentary canal. Surprise surprise, he didn't want to know.[/p][/quote]You could always pay for a consultation with a specialist. Linesman
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12:17am Sun 13 Jan 13

freefinker says...

Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.
Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe.

I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands.

That is not theory, that is hard fact.
.. oh yes, and please refer us to that evidence. Bet you can't; you're just passing on hearsay, aren't you?

And while you’re at it see mine at 3:21pm.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?[/p][/quote]Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.[/p][/quote]Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe. I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands. That is not theory, that is hard fact.[/p][/quote].. oh yes, and please refer us to that evidence. Bet you can't; you're just passing on hearsay, aren't you? And while you’re at it see mine at 3:21pm. freefinker
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1:50am Sun 13 Jan 13

Inform Al says...

Linesman wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
That's why I can no longer visit the Midlands or the Newcastle area as I develop Coeliac symptons every time which go a few months after returning to areas with unpoisoned water supplies. I did suggest to Dr Andrew Mortimor the health officer that I should be subjected to a biopsy to either confirm or disprove the effect of whatever poison included with the fluoride has on my alimentary canal. Surprise surprise, he didn't want to know.
You could always pay for a consultation with a specialist.
Cheaper to move. AGAIN
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.[/p][/quote]That's why I can no longer visit the Midlands or the Newcastle area as I develop Coeliac symptons every time which go a few months after returning to areas with unpoisoned water supplies. I did suggest to Dr Andrew Mortimor the health officer that I should be subjected to a biopsy to either confirm or disprove the effect of whatever poison included with the fluoride has on my alimentary canal. Surprise surprise, he didn't want to know.[/p][/quote]You could always pay for a consultation with a specialist.[/p][/quote]Cheaper to move. AGAIN Inform Al
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2:03am Sun 13 Jan 13

Inform Al says...

Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.
Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe.

I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands.

That is not theory, that is hard fact.
Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?[/p][/quote]Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.[/p][/quote]Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe. I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands. That is not theory, that is hard fact.[/p][/quote]Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water. Inform Al
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2:09am Sun 13 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

Interesting - the UK pro water fluoridation people make the same comments as our in Australia and America - as do we that are anti water fluoridation. Yet the principle fact remains:

It is ethically and morally - and illegal - to medicate people against their will and if you believe that this silicofluoride is not a medicine then why is it promoted to be "good for your health" and to be able to prevent or reduce a disease?

But we are led to believe that the European Court of Justice declared fluorides to be "medicines" - do you not obey your own laws?
Interesting - the UK pro water fluoridation people make the same comments as our in Australia and America - as do we that are anti water fluoridation. Yet the principle fact remains: It is ethically and morally - and illegal - to medicate people against their will and if you believe that this silicofluoride is not a medicine then why is it promoted to be "good for your health" and to be able to prevent or reduce a disease? But we are led to believe that the European Court of Justice declared fluorides to be "medicines" - do you not obey your own laws? Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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2:19am Sun 13 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

Question:

Why is it just America, UK, Australia and Ireland that have fanatical "health" people demanding water fluoridation?

We didn't elect them to represent our health issues, we didn't ask them to take away our parental rights and many other things.

Why don't they go and demand the manufacturers of heavily sweetened drinks and processed foods? Why don't they attack and demand that the drug companies stop making drugs that rot teeth - such as Ritalin and epilepsy drugs (in particular) - why don't they demand a ban on processed tobacco and chemically grown pot? Both well known to rot teeth - hey and what about all of the sugar in toothpaste?
Question: Why is it just America, UK, Australia and Ireland that have fanatical "health" people demanding water fluoridation? We didn't elect them to represent our health issues, we didn't ask them to take away our parental rights and many other things. Why don't they go and demand the manufacturers of heavily sweetened drinks and processed foods? Why don't they attack and demand that the drug companies stop making drugs that rot teeth - such as Ritalin and epilepsy drugs (in particular) - why don't they demand a ban on processed tobacco and chemically grown pot? Both well known to rot teeth - hey and what about all of the sugar in toothpaste? Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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2:49am Sun 13 Jan 13

kingnotail says...

Inform Al wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.
Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe.

I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands.

That is not theory, that is hard fact.
Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.
Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies!
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?[/p][/quote]Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.[/p][/quote]Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe. I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands. That is not theory, that is hard fact.[/p][/quote]Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.[/p][/quote]Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies! kingnotail
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3:09am Sun 13 Jan 13

Dan Soton says...

Youtube video... A Pediatrician Speaks Out on Fluoridation.


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http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=6iu9HzaVb
WQ


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A Pediatrician Speaks Out on Fluoridation.

Published on Dec 28, 2012.

In this short video, Dr. Yolanda Whyte discusses some of the reasons she opposes fluoridating water supplies. For more information on fluoridation, see: http://www.FluorideA
lert.org.


--


SHA, it's never too late to take onboard the other side of the story
Youtube video... A Pediatrician Speaks Out on Fluoridation. -- http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=6iu9HzaVb WQ -- A Pediatrician Speaks Out on Fluoridation. Published on Dec 28, 2012. In this short video, Dr. Yolanda Whyte discusses some of the reasons she opposes fluoridating water supplies. For more information on fluoridation, see: http://www.FluorideA lert.org. -- SHA, it's never too late to take onboard the other side of the story Dan Soton
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3:24am Sun 13 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

A part of this country is called Tasmania.

Fluoridated about 60 years ago "for the good of their dental health".

``Untreated dental disease nationwide costs Medicare $350 million a year and the hospital system at least $100 million and up to $2 billion is lost in productivity,'' Mr O'Halloran said.

http://www.examiner.
com.au/story/84489/d
ental-proposal-lacks
-support/

Not one mention of fluoridated water?

Any here?

http://www.arcpoh.ad
elaide.edu.au/public
ations/report/statis
tics/state-territory
/Tas/cdhs_tas96.pdf


Here perhaps?

http://www.anglicare
-tas.org.au/docs/res
earch/Access_to_dent
al_care_for_low_inco
me_Tasmanians_-_a_di
scussion_paper.pdf
A part of this country is called Tasmania. Fluoridated about 60 years ago "for the good of their dental health". ``Untreated dental disease nationwide costs Medicare $350 million a year and the hospital system at least $100 million and up to $2 billion is lost in productivity,'' Mr O'Halloran said. http://www.examiner. com.au/story/84489/d ental-proposal-lacks -support/ Not one mention of fluoridated water? Any here? http://www.arcpoh.ad elaide.edu.au/public ations/report/statis tics/state-territory /Tas/cdhs_tas96.pdf Here perhaps? http://www.anglicare -tas.org.au/docs/res earch/Access_to_dent al_care_for_low_inco me_Tasmanians_-_a_di scussion_paper.pdf Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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3:35am Sun 13 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

Tooth decay shock
BRIAN WARD May 26, 2012

A TASMANIAN oral hygiene expert has urged parents to take advantage of the state's free child dental program, with a new survey indicating an alarming rate of tooth decay in Australian kids.

According to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare's Child Dental Health Survey's 2007 statistics, which were released yesterday, 46 per cent of Australian six-year-olds had a history of decay in their baby teeth.

The figures showed those children had, on average, two decayed, missing or filled teeth, with an alarming 10 per cent of six-year-olds having almost 10 baby teeth affected by decay.

The figures also showed older children had high rates of decay, with 39 per cent of children aged 12 and 60 per cent of 15-year-olds showing some decay in permanent teeth.

Australian Dental Association state president Nadia Dobromilsky said: "Oral Health Services Tasmania offers all children aged six and under free dental examinations and treatment ... vital in preventing ongoing decay."

For information on dental hygiene visit https://www.ada.org.
au or to make an appointment or find more information on dental services go to www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/
oralhealth

wardb@news.net.au

Most of Australia has been water fluoridated for over forty or more years - so water fluoridation works?
Tooth decay shock BRIAN WARD May 26, 2012 A TASMANIAN oral hygiene expert has urged parents to take advantage of the state's free child dental program, with a new survey indicating an alarming rate of tooth decay in Australian kids. According to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare's Child Dental Health Survey's 2007 statistics, which were released yesterday, 46 per cent of Australian six-year-olds had a history of decay in their baby teeth. The figures showed those children had, on average, two decayed, missing or filled teeth, with an alarming 10 per cent of six-year-olds having almost 10 baby teeth affected by decay. The figures also showed older children had high rates of decay, with 39 per cent of children aged 12 and 60 per cent of 15-year-olds showing some decay in permanent teeth. Australian Dental Association state president Nadia Dobromilsky said: "Oral Health Services Tasmania offers all children aged six and under free dental examinations and treatment ... vital in preventing ongoing decay." For information on dental hygiene visit https://www.ada.org. au or to make an appointment or find more information on dental services go to www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/ oralhealth wardb@news.net.au Most of Australia has been water fluoridated for over forty or more years - so water fluoridation works? Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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4:10am Sun 13 Jan 13

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Youtube video... A Pediatrician Speaks Out on Fluoridation.


--



http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=6iu9HzaVb

WQ


--



A Pediatrician Speaks Out on Fluoridation.

Published on Dec 28, 2012.

In this short video, Dr. Yolanda Whyte discusses some of the reasons she opposes fluoridating water supplies. For more information on fluoridation, see: http://www.FluorideA

lert.org.


--


SHA, it's never too late to take onboard the other side of the story
Shocking truth... Despite dentists’ lack of knowledge they are urge to promote fluoridation.



DENTAL JOURNAL ARTICLE ADMITS THAT DENTISTS KNOW LITTLE ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF FLUORIDATION BUT URGES THEM TO PROMOTE THE PRACTICE. ANYWAY.

January 8th, 2013.

In an article in the January issue of the Journal of the American Dental Association (JADA) authors Armfield and Melbye indicate that “Studies of dentists’ attitudes about water fluoridation suggest that a lack of knowledge and preparedness are barriers to discussing the topic …


"Many dentists may be shocked to find that there have been 36 studies published since 1991 that found an association between fairly modest exposure to fluoride and lowered IQ. In one of the studies (Ding et al., 2011), the researchers found IQ lowered in children drinking water ranging from 0.3 to 3 ppm and that the higher the level of fluoride in the urine (a measure of fluoride exposure) the lower the IQ. In addition, Harvard researchers in a systematic review of 27 of these IQ studies concluded that effect on children's developing brains should be a 'high research priority' especially in the US which has never investigated brain/fluoride effects.




http://www.fluoridea
lert.org/news/fan-pr
-1-8-12/
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Youtube video... A Pediatrician Speaks Out on Fluoridation. -- http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=6iu9HzaVb WQ -- A Pediatrician Speaks Out on Fluoridation. Published on Dec 28, 2012. In this short video, Dr. Yolanda Whyte discusses some of the reasons she opposes fluoridating water supplies. For more information on fluoridation, see: http://www.FluorideA lert.org. -- SHA, it's never too late to take onboard the other side of the story[/p][/quote]Shocking truth... Despite dentists’ lack of knowledge they are urge to promote fluoridation. DENTAL JOURNAL ARTICLE ADMITS THAT DENTISTS KNOW LITTLE ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF FLUORIDATION BUT URGES THEM TO PROMOTE THE PRACTICE. ANYWAY. January 8th, 2013. In an article in the January issue of the Journal of the American Dental Association (JADA) authors Armfield and Melbye indicate that “Studies of dentists’ attitudes about water fluoridation suggest that a lack of knowledge and preparedness are barriers to discussing the topic … "Many dentists may be shocked to find that there have been 36 studies published since 1991 that found an association between fairly modest exposure to fluoride and lowered IQ. In one of the studies (Ding et al., 2011), the researchers found IQ lowered in children drinking water ranging from 0.3 to 3 ppm and that the higher the level of fluoride in the urine (a measure of fluoride exposure) the lower the IQ. In addition, Harvard researchers in a systematic review of 27 of these IQ studies concluded that effect on children's developing brains should be a 'high research priority' especially in the US which has never investigated brain/fluoride effects. http://www.fluoridea lert.org/news/fan-pr -1-8-12/ Dan Soton
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6:45am Sun 13 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

Open Letter on Fluoridation

I have been a dentist for almost 25 years. Upon my graduation from dental school, I, like most of my colleagues, was an avid supporter of water fluoridation. I supported fluoridation because organizations like the American Dental Association endorsed it as a "safe and effective" means of preventing tooth decay in children. I assumed that they had commissioned studies to offer proof of this claim. To my surprise, this turned out to be a totally erroneous assumption on my part.
It has been approximately 10 years since the city of Tacoma began to fluoridate its water. I have examined children and adults drinking this water during that time. What I have seen has made me question the use of fluoride. I have noticed no discernible decrease in decay in children or adults. My practice has not noticed a decrease in the number of fillings that I am placing because of decay. But what I have noticed is that there has been an increase in fluorosis in children, white or brown spots on the teeth indicating that children are being overdosed with fluoride. These fluorosed teeth were actually more susceptible to decay. This prompted me to begin studying the issue. What I found was very little scientific literature supporting that fluoride decreases tooth decay, let alone research that proved it was safe. On the other hand, I found a great deal of scientific literature that raised some red flags in my mind regarding its safety.
While most dentists are proponents of water fluoridation, there are many dentists and physicians who do not support water fluoridation. The majority of naturopathic physicians and chiropractors do not support water fluoridation. The dentists that do support water fluoridation do so based on information they have received from local and national dental organizations such as the Washington State Dental Association and the American Dental Association. These dentists are unaware of the controversy surrounding the issue because the ADA says there is no controversy. These dentists are unaware of the opposing scientific views because the ADA says it is all "junk science". These dentists are also unaware that the chemical put in drinking water is not sodium fluoride but hydrofluorosilicic acid, a toxic waste by-product of the phosphate fertilizer industry. Pure reagent grade sodium fluoride is no longer used because it is too expensive.
Since the Supreme Court ruled in favor of water municipalities, saying that a Pierce County Health Department mandate to force fluoridation was not legal, the issue will now be brought before City Councils and voters in Pierce County. The Pierce County Health Department wants fluoride in the water of all Pierce County residents, and their attempts to do so are relentless, if not a bit unscrupulous. Before you cast a vote in favor of fluoridation, I hope you will take the time to educate yourself on the issue. What you find may surprise you. An excellent article by Dr. Paul Connett entitled "50 Reasons to Oppose Fluoridation" can be accessed at www.fluoridealert.co
m. Dr. Connett is a professor of chemistry at St. Lawrence University in New York. He gives scientific references for every reason. It was recently updated so the information is current. It is concise and will provide the reader with a brief but thorough synopsis of the literature that exists in opposition to fluoridation. It will also demonstrate that there are many credible scientists and researchers that disagree with fluoridation because evidence of its safety is lacking. They are not some fringe group of lunatics claiming it to be a communist plot as Dr. Cruz¬Uribe, the director of the Pierce County Health Department, would have you believe. However, defending fluoridation as a "safe and effective" means of controlling tooth decay does provide a convenient cover for the many industries that stand to profit from the public being misinformed about the dangers of fluoride pollutants.
Whether you are a city council member or just a citizen of Pierce County, it would be prudent to consider the following points before making a decision to support water fluoridation:
1. The fact that any city council is even considering voting on this issue may be illegal. The State Supreme Court has ruled that government authorities do not have the jurisdiction to tell water municipalities to fluoridate their water supplies.
2. Water municipalities do not have the right to add medications to their customers' water without their consent. Informed Consent is now the standard of care in every medical and dental office. Lack of informed consent is one of the main reasons medical/dental practitioners are subject to litigation.

3. The fluoride debate is in actuality a moot point. In the Amicus Briefs documenting the recent State Supreme Court ruling, only sodium fluoride was mentioned. When dentists speak of water fluoridation they are talking about sodium fluoride. However, the chemical used in water fluoridation is hydrofluorosilicic acid. This chemical is not a pharmaceutical product. It is not even reagent grade, so it is full of impurities such as lead, arsenic and mercury. It has never been tested for safety. There is not one scientific article showing that fluorosilicic acid is "safe and effective". So theoretically there is no debate. The population is being lied to about the nature of the chemical that would be put in their water. They are also being given what would be classified as an experimental chemical without their consent, which is a violation of the Nuremberg Code. I believe the contract some of the municipalities have signed with the Washington Dental Service Foundation and other agencies donating money for fluoridation equipment contains a "hold harmless clause". If this substance is so safe, why the need for a "hold harmless clause". And if they aren't responsible for any future damages to citizens for using this chemical, then who would be???
4. It is illogical to fluoridate the rest of Pierce County based on the fact that Tacoma, University Place, Fircrest and Fort Lewis have been fluoridated for years with "no discernible harm" to the residents of these cities. This is the ridiculous reasoning Tacoma's pro-fluoride newspaper, The News Tribune uses in their support of fluoridation. "No discernible harm" is not proof of lack of harm. Logic would dictate that studies be done in these cities to see if there is discernible benefit to the residents of the cities receiving fluoride. To this date, no one has presented any scientific data showing decay rates have declined in Tacoma since fluoridation began almost 10 years ago. If there is no discernible benefit, then fluoride should not be added to the water.
5. The addition of fluoride to water violates modern pharmacological principles and medical ethics. There is no accounting for individual physiological responses to this chemical, differences in body size (children receive the same amount as adults) and the fact that water consumption varies from person to person. There is no way to monitor fluoride intake from other sources. For instance the cereal, Wheaties, contains a significant amount of fluoride. Teflon contains fluoride, which can transfer to food during the cooking process. Many medications such as Prozac and the antibiotic, Cipro, contain fluoride. Some workers are exposed to large amounts of fluoride in their workplace environment. Fluoride used in pesticides can accumulate in fruits and vegetables. Soft drinks and other foods processed using fluoridated water have high fluoride contents. There is no way currently to **** the interaction of hydrofluorosilicic with other chemicals to which the population is exposed. An individual's exposure to fluoride when taking all of the above factors into account can reach 10 mg. per day, well above the level of intake that is considered safe.
6. Proponents of fluoridation will tell you there are "thousands of studies" showing fluoridation is safe and effective. Let's just say there are 1000 studies confirming fluoridation's safety. Fluoridation has been around for about 50 years. That would mean that there are at least 20 studies per year being published that show water fluoridation is "safe and effective", or 200 studies in the last 10 years. Dr. Connett gives 50 valid reasons not to fluoridate. It would be fair to ask the proponents of fluoridation for a list of at least 50 studies which demonstrate fluoride's safety. After all, they say there are "thousands" out there. It should be easy to come up with just 50.
7. In a July 2004 editorial in the WSDA newsletter, a local dentist comments about materials used in dentistry. The first line of the editorial states "Healthcare products that are intended for use in the human body must be tested as thoroughly as possible prior to their introduction into the marketplace". She goes on to say at the end of the article "I think scientifically conducted, randomized controlled trials are essential elements that will help ensure that products are safe and effective...If there is no documentation that supports use of the product, then use the test of time: wait. Wait until research is done and supports the product." This is an excellent example of how those entrenched in organized dentistry can talk out of both sides of their mouth. This same dentist advocates using an untested hazardous chemical in everyone's water, but cannot offer any scientific proof that it is safe and effective. It would certainly be prudent for the Pierce County Health Department to follow the advice printed in the editorial. Until studies are done that prove fluoridation in Tacoma has been effective, there should be a moratorium on the addition of fluoride to any other water supplies in Pierce County.

8. Indeed, the subject of tooth decay in poor children in Pierce County is an embarrassing one for the dental profession. But, instead of dealing with the real issues, dentists and our public health officials prefer to pour fluoride in the water. They pat themselves on the back and pretend they are doing something for poor children. At the same time, they have totally failed to fight the
huge over-the-counter consumption of sugar containing foods by young children to the point of allowing the introduction of soda pop and candy machines into our public schools. Dentists make no attempt to educate poor families on the value of good nutrition. Over 80% of the dentists do not accept medical coupons, so the poor have almost no access to dental care. This is due to the fact that the State of Washington has an oppressive system for dentists that accept medical coupons and reimbursement for services is minimal. Paradoxically, it is the poor children that suffer the most from the adverse consequences of water fluoridation. And if you look at inner
city children across our nation that have had fluoridation since birth, you will find there is absolutely no difference in their decay rate when compared with children in non-fluoridated
cities. Poor children get more decay than children in higher income families. Lack of proper nutrition is the number one reason children get tooth decay, not lack of fluoride.
I am one of the few dentists in my profession that will speak out, although there are many like me who disagree with fluoridation. Do not be fooled by unscientific polls taken by the Pierce County Dental Society. In a March 2004 editorial published in The News Tribune, the local dental society claimed that 96% of member dentists polled supported water fluoridation. What they did not tell you is that only 156 out of almost 400 members responded to the poll. That is less than 40%. That 40% of dentists is less than 0.02 % of the 700,000+ population of Pierce County. This is hardly a majority of the residents of Pierce County. There is absolutely no reason they should be dictating what is put in your drinking water.
The current promoters of 50 years of fluoridation promote it on the basis of a faith more akin to religion than science. When asked to debate the issue in public, they steadfastly refuse because their position is indefensible from a scientific standpoint. Government officials have put so much of their credibility on the line in support of fluoridation, that it will be very difficult for them to do an about face and speak honestly and openly about this issue. It will be difficult for the dentals associations such as the ADA to admit there are health risks because of the liability issues. But the status quo can be changed. The medical profession did this after promoting hormone replacement therapy for almost thirty years.
Those of you who are interested in learning more about the possible adverse effects of water fluoridation can log onto www.fluoridealert.or
g and www.slweb.org.
The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson is a recently released book documenting the collusion between industry, dental organizations and public health officials. It also contains 200 pages of source notes. It is available on www.amazon.com.
It is my hope today that you will take a sincere interest in this critical health issue. Please take time to educate yourselves on the facts, and not just listen to what public health officials say. My hope for the future is to have it removed from the water of those areas of Pierce County that are already fluoridated. It is time to stop the folly of fluoridation and the damaging effects it has on our citizens.
Sincerely,
Debra Hopkins, DDS
http://www.yes4clean
water.org/Documents/
HopkinsDDSFluoridati
on.pdf
Open Letter on Fluoridation I have been a dentist for almost 25 years. Upon my graduation from dental school, I, like most of my colleagues, was an avid supporter of water fluoridation. I supported fluoridation because organizations like the American Dental Association endorsed it as a "safe and effective" means of preventing tooth decay in children. I assumed that they had commissioned studies to offer proof of this claim. To my surprise, this turned out to be a totally erroneous assumption on my part. It has been approximately 10 years since the city of Tacoma began to fluoridate its water. I have examined children and adults drinking this water during that time. What I have seen has made me question the use of fluoride. I have noticed no discernible decrease in decay in children or adults. My practice has not noticed a decrease in the number of fillings that I am placing because of decay. But what I have noticed is that there has been an increase in fluorosis in children, white or brown spots on the teeth indicating that children are being overdosed with fluoride. These fluorosed teeth were actually more susceptible to decay. This prompted me to begin studying the issue. What I found was very little scientific literature supporting that fluoride decreases tooth decay, let alone research that proved it was safe. On the other hand, I found a great deal of scientific literature that raised some red flags in my mind regarding its safety. While most dentists are proponents of water fluoridation, there are many dentists and physicians who do not support water fluoridation. The majority of naturopathic physicians and chiropractors do not support water fluoridation. The dentists that do support water fluoridation do so based on information they have received from local and national dental organizations such as the Washington State Dental Association and the American Dental Association. These dentists are unaware of the controversy surrounding the issue because the ADA says there is no controversy. These dentists are unaware of the opposing scientific views because the ADA says it is all "junk science". These dentists are also unaware that the chemical put in drinking water is not sodium fluoride but hydrofluorosilicic acid, a toxic waste by-product of the phosphate fertilizer industry. Pure reagent grade sodium fluoride is no longer used because it is too expensive. Since the Supreme Court ruled in favor of water municipalities, saying that a Pierce County Health Department mandate to force fluoridation was not legal, the issue will now be brought before City Councils and voters in Pierce County. The Pierce County Health Department wants fluoride in the water of all Pierce County residents, and their attempts to do so are relentless, if not a bit unscrupulous. Before you cast a vote in favor of fluoridation, I hope you will take the time to educate yourself on the issue. What you find may surprise you. An excellent article by Dr. Paul Connett entitled "50 Reasons to Oppose Fluoridation" can be accessed at www.fluoridealert.co m. Dr. Connett is a professor of chemistry at St. Lawrence University in New York. He gives scientific references for every reason. It was recently updated so the information is current. It is concise and will provide the reader with a brief but thorough synopsis of the literature that exists in opposition to fluoridation. It will also demonstrate that there are many credible scientists and researchers that disagree with fluoridation because evidence of its safety is lacking. They are not some fringe group of lunatics claiming it to be a communist plot as Dr. Cruz¬Uribe, the director of the Pierce County Health Department, would have you believe. However, defending fluoridation as a "safe and effective" means of controlling tooth decay does provide a convenient cover for the many industries that stand to profit from the public being misinformed about the dangers of fluoride pollutants. Whether you are a city council member or just a citizen of Pierce County, it would be prudent to consider the following points before making a decision to support water fluoridation: 1. The fact that any city council is even considering voting on this issue may be illegal. The State Supreme Court has ruled that government authorities do not have the jurisdiction to tell water municipalities to fluoridate their water supplies. 2. Water municipalities do not have the right to add medications to their customers' water without their consent. Informed Consent is now the standard of care in every medical and dental office. Lack of informed consent is one of the main reasons medical/dental practitioners are subject to litigation. 3. The fluoride debate is in actuality a moot point. In the Amicus Briefs documenting the recent State Supreme Court ruling, only sodium fluoride was mentioned. When dentists speak of water fluoridation they are talking about sodium fluoride. However, the chemical used in water fluoridation is hydrofluorosilicic acid. This chemical is not a pharmaceutical product. It is not even reagent grade, so it is full of impurities such as lead, arsenic and mercury. It has never been tested for safety. There is not one scientific article showing that fluorosilicic acid is "safe and effective". So theoretically there is no debate. The population is being lied to about the nature of the chemical that would be put in their water. They are also being given what would be classified as an experimental chemical without their consent, which is a violation of the Nuremberg Code. I believe the contract some of the municipalities have signed with the Washington Dental Service Foundation and other agencies donating money for fluoridation equipment contains a "hold harmless clause". If this substance is so safe, why the need for a "hold harmless clause". And if they aren't responsible for any future damages to citizens for using this chemical, then who would be??? 4. It is illogical to fluoridate the rest of Pierce County based on the fact that Tacoma, University Place, Fircrest and Fort Lewis have been fluoridated for years with "no discernible harm" to the residents of these cities. This is the ridiculous reasoning Tacoma's pro-fluoride newspaper, The News Tribune uses in their support of fluoridation. "No discernible harm" is not proof of lack of harm. Logic would dictate that studies be done in these cities to see if there is discernible benefit to the residents of the cities receiving fluoride. To this date, no one has presented any scientific data showing decay rates have declined in Tacoma since fluoridation began almost 10 years ago. If there is no discernible benefit, then fluoride should not be added to the water. 5. The addition of fluoride to water violates modern pharmacological principles and medical ethics. There is no accounting for individual physiological responses to this chemical, differences in body size (children receive the same amount as adults) and the fact that water consumption varies from person to person. There is no way to monitor fluoride intake from other sources. For instance the cereal, Wheaties, contains a significant amount of fluoride. Teflon contains fluoride, which can transfer to food during the cooking process. Many medications such as Prozac and the antibiotic, Cipro, contain fluoride. Some workers are exposed to large amounts of fluoride in their workplace environment. Fluoride used in pesticides can accumulate in fruits and vegetables. Soft drinks and other foods processed using fluoridated water have high fluoride contents. There is no way currently to **** the interaction of hydrofluorosilicic with other chemicals to which the population is exposed. An individual's exposure to fluoride when taking all of the above factors into account can reach 10 mg. per day, well above the level of intake that is considered safe. 6. Proponents of fluoridation will tell you there are "thousands of studies" showing fluoridation is safe and effective. Let's just say there are 1000 studies confirming fluoridation's safety. Fluoridation has been around for about 50 years. That would mean that there are at least 20 studies per year being published that show water fluoridation is "safe and effective", or 200 studies in the last 10 years. Dr. Connett gives 50 valid reasons not to fluoridate. It would be fair to ask the proponents of fluoridation for a list of at least 50 studies which demonstrate fluoride's safety. After all, they say there are "thousands" out there. It should be easy to come up with just 50. 7. In a July 2004 editorial in the WSDA newsletter, a local dentist comments about materials used in dentistry. The first line of the editorial states "Healthcare products that are intended for use in the human body must be tested as thoroughly as possible prior to their introduction into the marketplace". She goes on to say at the end of the article "I think scientifically conducted, randomized controlled trials are essential elements that will help ensure that products are safe and effective...If there is no documentation that supports use of the product, then use the test of time: wait. Wait until research is done and supports the product." This is an excellent example of how those entrenched in organized dentistry can talk out of both sides of their mouth. This same dentist advocates using an untested hazardous chemical in everyone's water, but cannot offer any scientific proof that it is safe and effective. It would certainly be prudent for the Pierce County Health Department to follow the advice printed in the editorial. Until studies are done that prove fluoridation in Tacoma has been effective, there should be a moratorium on the addition of fluoride to any other water supplies in Pierce County. 8. Indeed, the subject of tooth decay in poor children in Pierce County is an embarrassing one for the dental profession. But, instead of dealing with the real issues, dentists and our public health officials prefer to pour fluoride in the water. They pat themselves on the back and pretend they are doing something for poor children. At the same time, they have totally failed to fight the huge over-the-counter consumption of sugar containing foods by young children to the point of allowing the introduction of soda pop and candy machines into our public schools. Dentists make no attempt to educate poor families on the value of good nutrition. Over 80% of the dentists do not accept medical coupons, so the poor have almost no access to dental care. This is due to the fact that the State of Washington has an oppressive system for dentists that accept medical coupons and reimbursement for services is minimal. Paradoxically, it is the poor children that suffer the most from the adverse consequences of water fluoridation. And if you look at inner city children across our nation that have had fluoridation since birth, you will find there is absolutely no difference in their decay rate when compared with children in non-fluoridated cities. Poor children get more decay than children in higher income families. Lack of proper nutrition is the number one reason children get tooth decay, not lack of fluoride. I am one of the few dentists in my profession that will speak out, although there are many like me who disagree with fluoridation. Do not be fooled by unscientific polls taken by the Pierce County Dental Society. In a March 2004 editorial published in The News Tribune, the local dental society claimed that 96% of member dentists polled supported water fluoridation. What they did not tell you is that only 156 out of almost 400 members responded to the poll. That is less than 40%. That 40% of dentists is less than 0.02 % of the 700,000+ population of Pierce County. This is hardly a majority of the residents of Pierce County. There is absolutely no reason they should be dictating what is put in your drinking water. The current promoters of 50 years of fluoridation promote it on the basis of a faith more akin to religion than science. When asked to debate the issue in public, they steadfastly refuse because their position is indefensible from a scientific standpoint. Government officials have put so much of their credibility on the line in support of fluoridation, that it will be very difficult for them to do an about face and speak honestly and openly about this issue. It will be difficult for the dentals associations such as the ADA to admit there are health risks because of the liability issues. But the status quo can be changed. The medical profession did this after promoting hormone replacement therapy for almost thirty years. Those of you who are interested in learning more about the possible adverse effects of water fluoridation can log onto www.fluoridealert.or g and www.slweb.org. The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson is a recently released book documenting the collusion between industry, dental organizations and public health officials. It also contains 200 pages of source notes. It is available on www.amazon.com. It is my hope today that you will take a sincere interest in this critical health issue. Please take time to educate yourselves on the facts, and not just listen to what public health officials say. My hope for the future is to have it removed from the water of those areas of Pierce County that are already fluoridated. It is time to stop the folly of fluoridation and the damaging effects it has on our citizens. Sincerely, Debra Hopkins, DDS http://www.yes4clean water.org/Documents/ HopkinsDDSFluoridati on.pdf Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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8:25am Sun 13 Jan 13

Joe8135 says...

It is well known that randomised, controlled trials are the gold standard in medical research, but no such trials have ever shown that water fluoridation is either safe or effective. Double-blind trials have shown that a significant proportion of the population suffer adverse health effects from fluoridated water, on the other hand. Fluoridationist fantasists pretend that evidence exists which simply does not exist, and pretend that evidence does not exist which actually does exist. More than 4000 medical, dental, scientific, and environmental professionals have signed a petition opposing fluoridation so far, many of whom are highly qualified in areas of direct relevance to fluoridation. So far 14 Nobel prize winners in either Medicine or Chemistry have publicly opposed fluoridation. People who think that fluoridation is supported by science don't understand the difference between politics and science.

http://www.fluoridea
lert.org/researchers
/professionals-state
ment/

http://www.nofluorid
e.com/presentations/
Nobel%20Prize%20Winn
ers.pdf
It is well known that randomised, controlled trials are the gold standard in medical research, but no such trials have ever shown that water fluoridation is either safe or effective. Double-blind trials have shown that a significant proportion of the population suffer adverse health effects from fluoridated water, on the other hand. Fluoridationist fantasists pretend that evidence exists which simply does not exist, and pretend that evidence does not exist which actually does exist. More than 4000 medical, dental, scientific, and environmental professionals have signed a petition opposing fluoridation so far, many of whom are highly qualified in areas of direct relevance to fluoridation. So far 14 Nobel prize winners in either Medicine or Chemistry have publicly opposed fluoridation. People who think that fluoridation is supported by science don't understand the difference between politics and science. http://www.fluoridea lert.org/researchers /professionals-state ment/ http://www.nofluorid e.com/presentations/ Nobel%20Prize%20Winn ers.pdf Joe8135
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8:50am Sun 13 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.
Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago.

1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954.
2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA.

When will you ever learn?
http://www.theglobal
istreport.com/bilder
berg-group-bloomberg
-billionaires-index/


This might help?
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.[/p][/quote]Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago. 1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954. 2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA. When will you ever learn?[/p][/quote]http://www.theglobal istreport.com/bilder berg-group-bloomberg -billionaires-index/ This might help? Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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8:51am Sun 13 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

http://www.theglobal
istreport.com/pro-fl
uoride-lobby-resorts
-to-lies-and-propaga
nda/

Have a read of this.
http://www.theglobal istreport.com/pro-fl uoride-lobby-resorts -to-lies-and-propaga nda/ Have a read of this. Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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9:13am Sun 13 Jan 13

Linesman says...

Never mind the theories, look at the FACTS.

NONE of the adverse effects that the anti-fluoride brigade claim flouride produces have been found in the Midlands, where fluoridation has been in operation for MORE THAN FIFTY YEARS.

You can experiment and prove whatever you want to in a Laboratory, but the Midlands is where it has been going on for more than half a century.

There are always protest groups, and I have no doubt that the anti-fluoride brigade are also the ones who are against wind turbines.

Never happy unless they have something to whinge about.
Never mind the theories, look at the FACTS. NONE of the adverse effects that the anti-fluoride brigade claim flouride produces have been found in the Midlands, where fluoridation has been in operation for MORE THAN FIFTY YEARS. You can experiment and prove whatever you want to in a Laboratory, but the Midlands is where it has been going on for more than half a century. There are always protest groups, and I have no doubt that the anti-fluoride brigade are also the ones who are against wind turbines. Never happy unless they have something to whinge about. Linesman
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9:39am Sun 13 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

Linesman wrote:
Never mind the theories, look at the FACTS.

NONE of the adverse effects that the anti-fluoride brigade claim flouride produces have been found in the Midlands, where fluoridation has been in operation for MORE THAN FIFTY YEARS.

You can experiment and prove whatever you want to in a Laboratory, but the Midlands is where it has been going on for more than half a century.

There are always protest groups, and I have no doubt that the anti-fluoride brigade are also the ones who are against wind turbines.

Never happy unless they have something to whinge about.
The dentists make the same claims in Australia but never actually produce the full reports.

Townsville in Queensland is often quoted but they still have over 1000 waiting for public health dentistry, many of them have been waiting more than six years.

Now not only is Townsville fluoridated but it is a military garrison, the military have their own dentists etc. The town boasts one of the biggest and most profitable dental clinics in Australia and the Queensland government have seven dental vans working the area - full time.

Logically they should have no tooth decay - in reality they can only achieve just .6 of one tooth surface difference than the rest of Queensland - irrespective of water fluoridation.

All of this information can be verified with government documents.

Tasmania should logically be decay free as they have been fluoridated for over 60 years - see my previous posts.

We have over 400,000 waiting for public health dental treatment - why - well partly because of the very high costs of private dentistry.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Never mind the theories, look at the FACTS. NONE of the adverse effects that the anti-fluoride brigade claim flouride produces have been found in the Midlands, where fluoridation has been in operation for MORE THAN FIFTY YEARS. You can experiment and prove whatever you want to in a Laboratory, but the Midlands is where it has been going on for more than half a century. There are always protest groups, and I have no doubt that the anti-fluoride brigade are also the ones who are against wind turbines. Never happy unless they have something to whinge about.[/p][/quote]The dentists make the same claims in Australia but never actually produce the full reports. Townsville in Queensland is often quoted but they still have over 1000 waiting for public health dentistry, many of them have been waiting more than six years. Now not only is Townsville fluoridated but it is a military garrison, the military have their own dentists etc. The town boasts one of the biggest and most profitable dental clinics in Australia and the Queensland government have seven dental vans working the area - full time. Logically they should have no tooth decay - in reality they can only achieve just .6 of one tooth surface difference than the rest of Queensland - irrespective of water fluoridation. All of this information can be verified with government documents. Tasmania should logically be decay free as they have been fluoridated for over 60 years - see my previous posts. We have over 400,000 waiting for public health dental treatment - why - well partly because of the very high costs of private dentistry. Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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10:50am Sun 13 Jan 13

southy says...

Aussie Fluoride Fighter wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.
Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago.

1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954.
2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA.

When will you ever learn?
http://www.theglobal

istreport.com/bilder

berg-group-bloomberg

-billionaires-index/



This might help?
Yes Aussie Fluoride Fighter I have read them all, but the truth of the matter is that the Bilderberg Groups do not have any offical web site, they do not publish any thing, they operate behind closed doors, and the only way we find out things is by when an invite slips up and says some thing, a small group of people go searching to find which Hotel is book up totally (Bilderberg meeting book a whole hotel 2 years avance of the meeting), People standing out side the meeting place taking pictures of those that go in, talking to the work force of the hotel.
These are the only ways that we find out information on the Bilderberg Groups.
1945 on the last days of the war was when they first meet up at the bilderberg hotel, they could of been going a lot longer than that some dates may suggest as far back as the napoleonic wars when Rothchild got a loan for Wellington Army at one rate and chage the British government at a higher rate, this involved the same sort of people that are the inner circle of the Bilderberg Group
[quote][p][bold]Aussie Fluoride Fighter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.[/p][/quote]Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago. 1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954. 2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA. When will you ever learn?[/p][/quote]http://www.theglobal istreport.com/bilder berg-group-bloomberg -billionaires-index/ This might help?[/p][/quote]Yes Aussie Fluoride Fighter I have read them all, but the truth of the matter is that the Bilderberg Groups do not have any offical web site, they do not publish any thing, they operate behind closed doors, and the only way we find out things is by when an invite slips up and says some thing, a small group of people go searching to find which Hotel is book up totally (Bilderberg meeting book a whole hotel 2 years avance of the meeting), People standing out side the meeting place taking pictures of those that go in, talking to the work force of the hotel. These are the only ways that we find out information on the Bilderberg Groups. 1945 on the last days of the war was when they first meet up at the bilderberg hotel, they could of been going a lot longer than that some dates may suggest as far back as the napoleonic wars when Rothchild got a loan for Wellington Army at one rate and chage the British government at a higher rate, this involved the same sort of people that are the inner circle of the Bilderberg Group southy
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11:23am Sun 13 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

southy wrote:
Aussie Fluoride Fighter wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.
Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago.

1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954.
2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA.

When will you ever learn?
http://www.theglobal


istreport.com/bilder


berg-group-bloomberg


-billionaires-index/




This might help?
Yes Aussie Fluoride Fighter I have read them all, but the truth of the matter is that the Bilderberg Groups do not have any offical web site, they do not publish any thing, they operate behind closed doors, and the only way we find out things is by when an invite slips up and says some thing, a small group of people go searching to find which Hotel is book up totally (Bilderberg meeting book a whole hotel 2 years avance of the meeting), People standing out side the meeting place taking pictures of those that go in, talking to the work force of the hotel.
These are the only ways that we find out information on the Bilderberg Groups.
1945 on the last days of the war was when they first meet up at the bilderberg hotel, they could of been going a lot longer than that some dates may suggest as far back as the napoleonic wars when Rothchild got a loan for Wellington Army at one rate and chage the British government at a higher rate, this involved the same sort of people that are the inner circle of the Bilderberg Group
I'm not really interested in this topic at the moment although I do understand what it is all about. I only posted the link because I was in a site and I noticed it and related to this dicussion.

I'll leave it to you and your chums.

Regards
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aussie Fluoride Fighter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.[/p][/quote]Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago. 1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954. 2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA. When will you ever learn?[/p][/quote]http://www.theglobal istreport.com/bilder berg-group-bloomberg -billionaires-index/ This might help?[/p][/quote]Yes Aussie Fluoride Fighter I have read them all, but the truth of the matter is that the Bilderberg Groups do not have any offical web site, they do not publish any thing, they operate behind closed doors, and the only way we find out things is by when an invite slips up and says some thing, a small group of people go searching to find which Hotel is book up totally (Bilderberg meeting book a whole hotel 2 years avance of the meeting), People standing out side the meeting place taking pictures of those that go in, talking to the work force of the hotel. These are the only ways that we find out information on the Bilderberg Groups. 1945 on the last days of the war was when they first meet up at the bilderberg hotel, they could of been going a lot longer than that some dates may suggest as far back as the napoleonic wars when Rothchild got a loan for Wellington Army at one rate and chage the British government at a higher rate, this involved the same sort of people that are the inner circle of the Bilderberg Group[/p][/quote]I'm not really interested in this topic at the moment although I do understand what it is all about. I only posted the link because I was in a site and I noticed it and related to this dicussion. I'll leave it to you and your chums. Regards Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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11:30am Sun 13 Jan 13

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments.

The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago.

We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused.

This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects.

The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off.

I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.
You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family.
If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk.
I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider.
"My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family."

I agree. Those parents who did not permit their children to have the MMR vaccine did just that, being prepared to listen to the advice from ONE doctor, with no practical experience or evidence to back up what he was claiming, as opposed to the health authorities who had years of experience and access to years of clinical studies.

People talk about the introduction of poisons into the water supply.

Sodium is a poison and so is chloride, but we all consume it on a daily basis in the form of salt.

We consume it in relatively small quantities - although some consume more, and health experts warn us not to 'overdose' on it.

In small doses it is beneficial, but in large doses it is harmful.

Spot the similarity with fluoride.
The body can not dispose of this type fluoride Lines it just builds up in the body and the after effects are 30 to 80 years after, With salt its only a real big problem when it enters the blood stream in large doses, but the body can normally depose of it
If that's the case southy, why have they not been dropping like ninepins in the Midlands where it has been added for more than 50 years.

There are plenty of people who have a theory.

The Midlands is a fact, and it proves so many anti-fluoride theories to be wrong.
They don't drop like nine pines lone, but cases of britle bone and other ills that are related to Fluorided water are well over the norm.
Remember this is not the natural fluoride that you find in all waters, this is a added fluoride that is industral waste that they can not get rid off
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Progress is being held up by a small minority of people, with no scientific background, who appear to spend their time searching the internet to find other anti-fluoridation comments. The Midlands have benefitted from fluoridation for more than half a century, with beneficial effects. If there had been the effects that these objectors claim, then it would have come to light decades ago. We had a similar situation where some parents were prepared to believe One doctor, who claimed that the MMR vaccine had detrimental effects, and refused to let their children have the jab. The health authorities did their utmost to persuade them, but they refused. This resulted in some children suffering from Mumps, or Measles or Chicken Pox, with the accompanying pain and discomfort and the long-lasting effects. The doctor concerned has been proved wrong, and has been struck off. I believe the health authority. They are the professionals.[/p][/quote]You may be right. My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family. If they can't be bothered to brush their teeth or get their kids to I suspect their wont be many who drink tap water, sticking to pre bottled fizzy drinks, fruit shots etc. and eating junk. I don't want to be nannied in the same way I don't want to pay more for a bottle of wine because of the behaviour of anti social scumbags and their white lightening cider.[/p][/quote]"My issue is that at some point people have to take responsibility for their own well being and that of their family." I agree. Those parents who did not permit their children to have the MMR vaccine did just that, being prepared to listen to the advice from ONE doctor, with no practical experience or evidence to back up what he was claiming, as opposed to the health authorities who had years of experience and access to years of clinical studies. People talk about the introduction of poisons into the water supply. Sodium is a poison and so is chloride, but we all consume it on a daily basis in the form of salt. We consume it in relatively small quantities - although some consume more, and health experts warn us not to 'overdose' on it. In small doses it is beneficial, but in large doses it is harmful. Spot the similarity with fluoride.[/p][/quote]The body can not dispose of this type fluoride Lines it just builds up in the body and the after effects are 30 to 80 years after, With salt its only a real big problem when it enters the blood stream in large doses, but the body can normally depose of it[/p][/quote]If that's the case southy, why have they not been dropping like ninepins in the Midlands where it has been added for more than 50 years. There are plenty of people who have a theory. The Midlands is a fact, and it proves so many anti-fluoride theories to be wrong.[/p][/quote]They don't drop like nine pines lone, but cases of britle bone and other ills that are related to Fluorided water are well over the norm. Remember this is not the natural fluoride that you find in all waters, this is a added fluoride that is industral waste that they can not get rid off southy
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11:46am Sun 13 Jan 13

Inform Al says...

kingnotail wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.
Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe.

I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands.

That is not theory, that is hard fact.
Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.
Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies!
You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning.
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?[/p][/quote]Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.[/p][/quote]Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe. I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands. That is not theory, that is hard fact.[/p][/quote]Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.[/p][/quote]Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies![/p][/quote]You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning. Inform Al
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11:47am Sun 13 Jan 13

southy says...

Aussie Fluoride Fighter wrote:
southy wrote:
Aussie Fluoride Fighter wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.
Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago.

1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954.
2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA.

When will you ever learn?
http://www.theglobal



istreport.com/bilder



berg-group-bloomberg



-billionaires-index/





This might help?
Yes Aussie Fluoride Fighter I have read them all, but the truth of the matter is that the Bilderberg Groups do not have any offical web site, they do not publish any thing, they operate behind closed doors, and the only way we find out things is by when an invite slips up and says some thing, a small group of people go searching to find which Hotel is book up totally (Bilderberg meeting book a whole hotel 2 years avance of the meeting), People standing out side the meeting place taking pictures of those that go in, talking to the work force of the hotel.
These are the only ways that we find out information on the Bilderberg Groups.
1945 on the last days of the war was when they first meet up at the bilderberg hotel, they could of been going a lot longer than that some dates may suggest as far back as the napoleonic wars when Rothchild got a loan for Wellington Army at one rate and chage the British government at a higher rate, this involved the same sort of people that are the inner circle of the Bilderberg Group
I'm not really interested in this topic at the moment although I do understand what it is all about. I only posted the link because I was in a site and I noticed it and related to this dicussion.

I'll leave it to you and your chums.

Regards
I been researching the Bilderberg groups since 1983/4, got interested in it after M.Thatcher let it slip that she had attended the Bilderberg meetings in the 70's, and I was wondering what are they all about, the invite meetings use to happen only in Europe at different locations each year (this is the outter circle, the inner circle only meet at the Prince Bilderberg Hotel), that was till the invite meeting in Spain, when it drawed to much attention by the public and the news media for the second year in a row, and for the first time it moved out of Europe and went to the USA where there are more and tighter controlls over the public and media, the Bilderberg groups as a whole, operate behide closed doors, they do not want any one to know what they are up to or what they talk about, they are totally controlled meetings. the inner circle picks the steering committee, and also they ok the invites to the meetings no one that is on the left aka Socialist are allowed to the meetings, it is a total right wing aka capitalist meetings.
[quote][p][bold]Aussie Fluoride Fighter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aussie Fluoride Fighter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]Not Blair social engineering, this some thing that was started to be put in place back in the 80's and our first Prime Minster that had attened the Bilderberg group meetings, That openly amitted that she had attented these meetings in the 70's, since then we have had Kinnock, Blair, Cameron, Clegg and the Millibands all attending, part of the Bilderberg inner circle agenda was to reduce the worlds population and keep it about half of the worlds max population it could take.[/p][/quote]Gosh, you actually bring up Bilderberg? A subject on which you showed your ignorance of both history and websites just a few months ago. 1) You, alone on this planet, insisted it first met in 1945. They didn’t, it was 1954. 2) You, quite wrongly, said they didn’t have any website and that what is actually their official website was a fake made up in the USA. When will you ever learn?[/p][/quote]http://www.theglobal istreport.com/bilder berg-group-bloomberg -billionaires-index/ This might help?[/p][/quote]Yes Aussie Fluoride Fighter I have read them all, but the truth of the matter is that the Bilderberg Groups do not have any offical web site, they do not publish any thing, they operate behind closed doors, and the only way we find out things is by when an invite slips up and says some thing, a small group of people go searching to find which Hotel is book up totally (Bilderberg meeting book a whole hotel 2 years avance of the meeting), People standing out side the meeting place taking pictures of those that go in, talking to the work force of the hotel. These are the only ways that we find out information on the Bilderberg Groups. 1945 on the last days of the war was when they first meet up at the bilderberg hotel, they could of been going a lot longer than that some dates may suggest as far back as the napoleonic wars when Rothchild got a loan for Wellington Army at one rate and chage the British government at a higher rate, this involved the same sort of people that are the inner circle of the Bilderberg Group[/p][/quote]I'm not really interested in this topic at the moment although I do understand what it is all about. I only posted the link because I was in a site and I noticed it and related to this dicussion. I'll leave it to you and your chums. Regards[/p][/quote]I been researching the Bilderberg groups since 1983/4, got interested in it after M.Thatcher let it slip that she had attended the Bilderberg meetings in the 70's, and I was wondering what are they all about, the invite meetings use to happen only in Europe at different locations each year (this is the outter circle, the inner circle only meet at the Prince Bilderberg Hotel), that was till the invite meeting in Spain, when it drawed to much attention by the public and the news media for the second year in a row, and for the first time it moved out of Europe and went to the USA where there are more and tighter controlls over the public and media, the Bilderberg groups as a whole, operate behide closed doors, they do not want any one to know what they are up to or what they talk about, they are totally controlled meetings. the inner circle picks the steering committee, and also they ok the invites to the meetings no one that is on the left aka Socialist are allowed to the meetings, it is a total right wing aka capitalist meetings. southy
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3:43pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Graeme Harrison says...

Inform Al wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.
Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe.

I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands.

That is not theory, that is hard fact.
Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.
Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies!
You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning.
Instead of throwing insults around, how about answering the question?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?[/p][/quote]Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.[/p][/quote]Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe. I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands. That is not theory, that is hard fact.[/p][/quote]Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.[/p][/quote]Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies![/p][/quote]You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning.[/p][/quote]Instead of throwing insults around, how about answering the question? Graeme Harrison
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3:53pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Dan Soton says...

Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Dentists carry out dental extractions on 15 children per day


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UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON

Press Release to all Media Outlets

13 JAN 2013

United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation

We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume .

Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue .

There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe .

In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC.

Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures.

In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary.

We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride.

But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin.

Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water .
We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue.

For further info contact organising members of UCS

Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail
.co.uk

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Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Dentists carry out dental extractions on 15 children per day - UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON Press Release to all Media Outlets 13 JAN 2013 United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume . Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue . There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe . In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC. Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures. In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary. We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride. But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin. Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water . We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue. For further info contact organising members of UCS Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail .co.uk - http://hampshireagai nstfluoridation.blog spot.co.uk/2013/01/u nited-communities-of -southampton.html Dan Soton
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5:18pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Linesman says...

Inform Al wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.
Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe.

I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands.

That is not theory, that is hard fact.
Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.
Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies!
You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning.
As you have had no tests done, how do you know you have a problem with fluoridation?

Your doctor dismissed your claim, and he is a professional

Have you sought a second opinion, which is your right?

If you did, and it showed that you were not allergic, what would be your next subject to bellyache about?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?[/p][/quote]Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.[/p][/quote]Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe. I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands. That is not theory, that is hard fact.[/p][/quote]Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.[/p][/quote]Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies![/p][/quote]You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning.[/p][/quote]As you have had no tests done, how do you know you have a problem with fluoridation? Your doctor dismissed your claim, and he is a professional Have you sought a second opinion, which is your right? If you did, and it showed that you were not allergic, what would be your next subject to bellyache about? Linesman
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5:31pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Linesman says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Dentists carry out dental extractions on 15 children per day


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UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON

Press Release to all Media Outlets

13 JAN 2013

United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation

We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume .

Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue .

There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe .

In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC.

Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures.

In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary.

We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride.

But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin.

Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water .
We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue.

For further info contact organising members of UCS

Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail

.co.uk

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http://hampshireagai

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"Dr Dean Burke, Chief Scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA)"

Hardly an independent scientist.

I have not the slightest doubt that, if I could be bothered to check on what they are doing in America, I could find a Chief Scientist out there, who is working for the Flouridation people, who would present research that would prove it was beneficial.

I have no idea how America treats its water supply, or what other treatments that they use that are different to ours. Similarly, I am not concerned with how Australians operate their system.

Despite all these claims being made, I have yet to hear of any mass protest from those customers in the Midlands who have been drinking fluoridated water for more than half a century.

I wonder how long it will be before some anti-fluoride crank claims that they have not had a mass protest in the Midlands, because fluoride had damaged the 'protest' cells in their brains.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Dentists carry out dental extractions on 15 children per day - UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON Press Release to all Media Outlets 13 JAN 2013 United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume . Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue . There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe . In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC. Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures. In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary. We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride. But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin. Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water . We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue. For further info contact organising members of UCS Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail .co.uk - http://hampshireagai nstfluoridation.blog spot.co.uk/2013/01/u nited-communities-of -southampton.html[/p][/quote]"Dr Dean Burke, Chief Scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA)" Hardly an independent scientist. I have not the slightest doubt that, if I could be bothered to check on what they are doing in America, I could find a Chief Scientist out there, who is working for the Flouridation people, who would present research that would prove it was beneficial. I have no idea how America treats its water supply, or what other treatments that they use that are different to ours. Similarly, I am not concerned with how Australians operate their system. Despite all these claims being made, I have yet to hear of any mass protest from those customers in the Midlands who have been drinking fluoridated water for more than half a century. I wonder how long it will be before some anti-fluoride crank claims that they have not had a mass protest in the Midlands, because fluoride had damaged the 'protest' cells in their brains. Linesman
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7:52pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Dentists carry out dental extractions on 15 children per day


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UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON

Press Release to all Media Outlets

13 JAN 2013

United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation

We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume .

Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue .

There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe .

In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC.

Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures.

In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary.

We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride.

But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin.

Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water .
We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue.

For further info contact organising members of UCS

Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail

.co.uk

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http://hampshireagai

nstfluoridation.blog

spot.co.uk/2013/01/u

nited-communities-of

-southampton.html
Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer


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Reply to Linesman.. Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water could increase the cancer rate by a modest 10%..

Going by calculations of The Oxford Cancer Intelligence Unit (OCIU) which is the UK's lead cancer registry for head and neck cancers.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer, approx 40% HIGHER than Surrey, West Sussex and Hampshire and


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We are told by SHA that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer, yet Thyroid Cancer has more than doubled in the Fluoridated Midlands and North East..



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PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL.

Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006.

The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period.

East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases.

AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX.

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http://www.sph.nhs.u
k/sph-documents/Fina
l_Head_-_Neck_Profil
es_04May2010.pdf



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DR DURRANT-PEATFIELD MEDICAL ADVISOR TO THYROID UK SAYS..

SUMMARY: Fluorides are highly damaging to the Thyroid Gland, Fluorides are mutagenic, That is, they can cause the uncontrolled proliferation of cells we call cancer. This applies to cancer anywhere in the body, A report in 1955 in the New England Journal of Medicine showed a 400% increase in cancer of the thyroid in San Francisco during the period their water was fluoridated.

The extreme sensitivity of the very young (foetus/baby) to fluoride toxicity makes Fluoridation unacceptable.

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http://www.namastepu
blishing.co.uk/the-e
ffects-of-fluoride-o
n-the-thyroid-gland/
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Dentists carry out dental extractions on 15 children per day - UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON Press Release to all Media Outlets 13 JAN 2013 United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume . Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue . There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe . In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC. Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures. In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary. We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride. But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin. Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water . We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue. For further info contact organising members of UCS Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail .co.uk - http://hampshireagai nstfluoridation.blog spot.co.uk/2013/01/u nited-communities-of -southampton.html[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer - Reply to Linesman.. Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water could increase the cancer rate by a modest 10%.. Going by calculations of The Oxford Cancer Intelligence Unit (OCIU) which is the UK's lead cancer registry for head and neck cancers.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer, approx 40% HIGHER than Surrey, West Sussex and Hampshire and - We are told by SHA that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer, yet Thyroid Cancer has more than doubled in the Fluoridated Midlands and North East.. - PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL. Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006. The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period. East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases. AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX. - http://www.sph.nhs.u k/sph-documents/Fina l_Head_-_Neck_Profil es_04May2010.pdf - DR DURRANT-PEATFIELD MEDICAL ADVISOR TO THYROID UK SAYS.. SUMMARY: Fluorides are highly damaging to the Thyroid Gland, Fluorides are mutagenic, That is, they can cause the uncontrolled proliferation of cells we call cancer. This applies to cancer anywhere in the body, A report in 1955 in the New England Journal of Medicine showed a 400% increase in cancer of the thyroid in San Francisco during the period their water was fluoridated. The extreme sensitivity of the very young (foetus/baby) to fluoride toxicity makes Fluoridation unacceptable. - http://www.namastepu blishing.co.uk/the-e ffects-of-fluoride-o n-the-thyroid-gland/ Dan Soton
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8:43pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Inform Al says...

Linesman wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.
Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe.

I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands.

That is not theory, that is hard fact.
Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.
Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies!
You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning.
As you have had no tests done, how do you know you have a problem with fluoridation?

Your doctor dismissed your claim, and he is a professional

Have you sought a second opinion, which is your right?

If you did, and it showed that you were not allergic, what would be your next subject to bellyache about?
Oh you total cretin. I have asked both my own doctor, who was keen to get it done and Southamptons director of medical health, there appears to be a financial reason (waste disposal?) for not allowing my request. If anyone out there has the finances to pay privately for the biopsy I would willingly go for it. Not being as stupid as you obviously are I think I am capable of working out just where I was when my guts started to play up, and the fact that I get hangovers on just one or two pints of Midlands produced beer and none when drinking fluoride free Kent brewed beer.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?[/p][/quote]Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.[/p][/quote]Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe. I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands. That is not theory, that is hard fact.[/p][/quote]Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.[/p][/quote]Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies![/p][/quote]You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning.[/p][/quote]As you have had no tests done, how do you know you have a problem with fluoridation? Your doctor dismissed your claim, and he is a professional Have you sought a second opinion, which is your right? If you did, and it showed that you were not allergic, what would be your next subject to bellyache about?[/p][/quote]Oh you total cretin. I have asked both my own doctor, who was keen to get it done and Southamptons director of medical health, there appears to be a financial reason (waste disposal?) for not allowing my request. If anyone out there has the finances to pay privately for the biopsy I would willingly go for it. Not being as stupid as you obviously are I think I am capable of working out just where I was when my guts started to play up, and the fact that I get hangovers on just one or two pints of Midlands produced beer and none when drinking fluoride free Kent brewed beer. Inform Al
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12:19am Mon 14 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

Inform Al wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.
Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe.

I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands.

That is not theory, that is hard fact.
Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.
Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies!
You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning.
As you have had no tests done, how do you know you have a problem with fluoridation?

Your doctor dismissed your claim, and he is a professional

Have you sought a second opinion, which is your right?

If you did, and it showed that you were not allergic, what would be your next subject to bellyache about?
Oh you total cretin. I have asked both my own doctor, who was keen to get it done and Southamptons director of medical health, there appears to be a financial reason (waste disposal?) for not allowing my request. If anyone out there has the finances to pay privately for the biopsy I would willingly go for it. Not being as stupid as you obviously are I think I am capable of working out just where I was when my guts started to play up, and the fact that I get hangovers on just one or two pints of Midlands produced beer and none when drinking fluoride free Kent brewed beer.
If you have the same system as us in Aus you will find that ALL testing for suspected fluoride poisoning is conducted by/at a government laboratory and they will find nothing wrong with your fluoride or heavy metal levels.

A couple of years ago I had to have some very large doses of an antibiotic which contained fluoride (many drugs contain this stuff) I requested a blood test for fluoride levels and the tests came back as "negligible levels detected".

Governments do not want us to know what amounts of fluoride we are actually exposed to - not just water but just about everything you eat and drink - you drink Guinness? Made with water from a mountain stream? You believe in flying pigs as well?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?[/p][/quote]Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.[/p][/quote]Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe. I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands. That is not theory, that is hard fact.[/p][/quote]Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.[/p][/quote]Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies![/p][/quote]You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning.[/p][/quote]As you have had no tests done, how do you know you have a problem with fluoridation? Your doctor dismissed your claim, and he is a professional Have you sought a second opinion, which is your right? If you did, and it showed that you were not allergic, what would be your next subject to bellyache about?[/p][/quote]Oh you total cretin. I have asked both my own doctor, who was keen to get it done and Southamptons director of medical health, there appears to be a financial reason (waste disposal?) for not allowing my request. If anyone out there has the finances to pay privately for the biopsy I would willingly go for it. Not being as stupid as you obviously are I think I am capable of working out just where I was when my guts started to play up, and the fact that I get hangovers on just one or two pints of Midlands produced beer and none when drinking fluoride free Kent brewed beer.[/p][/quote]If you have the same system as us in Aus you will find that ALL testing for suspected fluoride poisoning is conducted by/at a government laboratory and they will find nothing wrong with your fluoride or heavy metal levels. A couple of years ago I had to have some very large doses of an antibiotic which contained fluoride (many drugs contain this stuff) I requested a blood test for fluoride levels and the tests came back as "negligible levels detected". Governments do not want us to know what amounts of fluoride we are actually exposed to - not just water but just about everything you eat and drink - you drink Guinness? Made with water from a mountain stream? You believe in flying pigs as well? Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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12:34am Mon 14 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

Definition of a "professional".

Someone who gets paid lots of money for doing something:

A professional football player - as long as he scores lots of goals.

Your doctor if he/she pushes lots of drugs

Personally I would rather trust a Witch Doctor.
Definition of a "professional". Someone who gets paid lots of money for doing something: A professional football player - as long as he scores lots of goals. Your doctor if he/she pushes lots of drugs Personally I would rather trust a Witch Doctor. Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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10:52am Mon 14 Jan 13

ColCGE says...

I already asked one pro-fluoride writer to this paper (but to no avail) WHY he wished to promote fluoride? ie just what was in it for him? I will pose the same question to you 'Linesman'.
Even assuming that it was not a non-essential compound and a cumulative poison, worse than Lead and only slightly less toxic than Arsenic to boot; we have the problem of people actively objecting to such interference in their lives, being forced to pay for it.
Russia, and other eastern countries of dubious note, must chuckle at out authorities attempts to straddle the moral high ground, with regards to human rights, when we have a mafia of self interest embodied in Southampton's SHA and its supporters.


Can point the 'open minds' reading this to this radio link:
http://theinformatio
n.podbean.com/

I await the warbling wails concerning the internet and its - so called - dubious content on anything anti-fluoride without baited breath.
I already asked one pro-fluoride writer to this paper (but to no avail) WHY he wished to promote fluoride? ie just what was in it for him? I will pose the same question to you 'Linesman'. Even assuming that it was not a non-essential compound and a cumulative poison, worse than Lead and only slightly less toxic than Arsenic to boot; we have the problem of people actively objecting to such interference in their lives, being forced to pay for it. Russia, and other eastern countries of dubious note, must chuckle at out authorities attempts to straddle the moral high ground, with regards to human rights, when we have a mafia of self interest embodied in Southampton's SHA and its supporters. Can point the 'open minds' reading this to this radio link: http://theinformatio n.podbean.com/ I await the warbling wails concerning the internet and its - so called - dubious content on anything anti-fluoride without baited breath. ColCGE
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12:03pm Mon 14 Jan 13

ColCGE says...

Aussie Fluoride Fighter wrote:
http://www.theglobal

istreport.com/pro-fl

uoride-lobby-resorts

-to-lies-and-propaga

nda/

Have a read of this.
I already asked one pro-fluoride writer to this paper (but to no avail) WHY he wished to promote fluoride? ie just what was in it for him? I will pose the same question to you 'Linesman'.
Even assuming that it was not a non-essential compound and a cumulative poison, worse than Lead and only slightly less toxic than Arsenic to boot; we have the problem of people actively objecting to such interference in their lives, being forced to pay for it.
Russia, and other eastern countries of dubious note, must chuckle at out authorities attempts to straddle the moral high ground, with regards to human rights, when we have a mafia of self interest embodied in Southampton's SHA and its supporters.


Can point the 'open minds' reading this to this radio link:
http://theinformatio
n.podbean.com/

I await the warbling wails concerning the internet and its - so called - dubious content on anything anti-fluoride without baited breath.
[quote][p][bold]Aussie Fluoride Fighter[/bold] wrote: http://www.theglobal istreport.com/pro-fl uoride-lobby-resorts -to-lies-and-propaga nda/ Have a read of this.[/p][/quote]I already asked one pro-fluoride writer to this paper (but to no avail) WHY he wished to promote fluoride? ie just what was in it for him? I will pose the same question to you 'Linesman'. Even assuming that it was not a non-essential compound and a cumulative poison, worse than Lead and only slightly less toxic than Arsenic to boot; we have the problem of people actively objecting to such interference in their lives, being forced to pay for it. Russia, and other eastern countries of dubious note, must chuckle at out authorities attempts to straddle the moral high ground, with regards to human rights, when we have a mafia of self interest embodied in Southampton's SHA and its supporters. Can point the 'open minds' reading this to this radio link: http://theinformatio n.podbean.com/ I await the warbling wails concerning the internet and its - so called - dubious content on anything anti-fluoride without baited breath. ColCGE
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12:40pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Dentists carry out dental extractions on 15 children per day


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UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON

Press Release to all Media Outlets

13 JAN 2013

United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation

We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume .

Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue .

There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe .

In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC.

Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures.

In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary.

We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride.

But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin.

Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water .
We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue.

For further info contact organising members of UCS

Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail

.co.uk

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http://hampshireagai

nstfluoridation.blog

spot.co.uk/2013/01/u

nited-communities-of

-southampton.html
Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer


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Reply to Linesman.. Dr Burke calculated that Fluoridation could increase US cancer rate by a modest 10%..

Going by the calculations of The Oxford Cancer Intelligence Unit (OCIU) which is the UK's lead cancer registry for head and neck cancers.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer, APPROX 40% HIGHER THAN SURREY, WEST SUSSEX AND HAMPSHIRE.

We are told by SHA that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer, yet The OCIU tells us Thyroid Cancer has more than doubled in the Fluoridated Midlands and North East..

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PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL.

Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006.

The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period.

East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases.

AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX.

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http://www.sph.nhs.u
k/sph-documents/Fina
l_Head_-_Neck_Profil
es_04May2010.pdf



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DR DURRANT-PEATFIELD MEDICAL ADVISOR TO THYROID UK SAYS..

SUMMARY: Fluorides are highly damaging to the Thyroid Gland, Fluorides are mutagenic, That is, they can cause the uncontrolled proliferation of cells we call cancer. This applies to cancer anywhere in the body, A report in 1955 in the New England Journal of Medicine showed a 400% increase in cancer of the thyroid in San Francisco during the period their water was fluoridated.

The extreme sensitivity of the very young (foetus/baby) to fluoride toxicity makes Fluoridation unacceptable.

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http://www.namastepu
blishing.co.uk/the-e
ffects-of-fluoride-o
n-the-thyroid-gland/
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Dentists carry out dental extractions on 15 children per day - UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON Press Release to all Media Outlets 13 JAN 2013 United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume . Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue . There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe . In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC. Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures. In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary. We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride. But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin. Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water . We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue. For further info contact organising members of UCS Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail .co.uk - http://hampshireagai nstfluoridation.blog spot.co.uk/2013/01/u nited-communities-of -southampton.html[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer - Reply to Linesman.. Dr Burke calculated that Fluoridation could increase US cancer rate by a modest 10%.. Going by the calculations of The Oxford Cancer Intelligence Unit (OCIU) which is the UK's lead cancer registry for head and neck cancers.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer, APPROX 40% HIGHER THAN SURREY, WEST SUSSEX AND HAMPSHIRE. We are told by SHA that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer, yet The OCIU tells us Thyroid Cancer has more than doubled in the Fluoridated Midlands and North East.. - PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL. Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006. The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period. East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases. AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX. - http://www.sph.nhs.u k/sph-documents/Fina l_Head_-_Neck_Profil es_04May2010.pdf - DR DURRANT-PEATFIELD MEDICAL ADVISOR TO THYROID UK SAYS.. SUMMARY: Fluorides are highly damaging to the Thyroid Gland, Fluorides are mutagenic, That is, they can cause the uncontrolled proliferation of cells we call cancer. This applies to cancer anywhere in the body, A report in 1955 in the New England Journal of Medicine showed a 400% increase in cancer of the thyroid in San Francisco during the period their water was fluoridated. The extreme sensitivity of the very young (foetus/baby) to fluoride toxicity makes Fluoridation unacceptable. - http://www.namastepu blishing.co.uk/the-e ffects-of-fluoride-o n-the-thyroid-gland/ Dan Soton
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12:56pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Dentists carry out dental extractions on 15 children per day


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UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON

Press Release to all Media Outlets

13 JAN 2013

United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation

We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume .

Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue .

There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe .

In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC.

Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures.

In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary.

We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride.

But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin.

Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water .
We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue.

For further info contact organising members of UCS

Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail


.co.uk

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http://hampshireagai


nstfluoridation.blog


spot.co.uk/2013/01/u


nited-communities-of


-southampton.html
Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer


-

Reply to Linesman.. Dr Burke calculated that Fluoridation could increase US cancer rate by a modest 10%..

Going by the calculations of The Oxford Cancer Intelligence Unit (OCIU) which is the UK's lead cancer registry for head and neck cancers.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer, APPROX 40% HIGHER THAN SURREY, WEST SUSSEX AND HAMPSHIRE.

We are told by SHA that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer, yet The OCIU tells us Thyroid Cancer has more than doubled in the Fluoridated Midlands and North East..

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PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL.

Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006.

The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period.

East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases.

AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX.

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http://www.sph.nhs.u

k/sph-documents/Fina

l_Head_-_Neck_Profil

es_04May2010.pdf



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DR DURRANT-PEATFIELD MEDICAL ADVISOR TO THYROID UK SAYS..

SUMMARY: Fluorides are highly damaging to the Thyroid Gland, Fluorides are mutagenic, That is, they can cause the uncontrolled proliferation of cells we call cancer. This applies to cancer anywhere in the body, A report in 1955 in the New England Journal of Medicine showed a 400% increase in cancer of the thyroid in San Francisco during the period their water was fluoridated.

The extreme sensitivity of the very young (foetus/baby) to fluoride toxicity makes Fluoridation unacceptable.

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http://www.namastepu

blishing.co.uk/the-e

ffects-of-fluoride-o

n-the-thyroid-gland/
Fluoridation X-Files.. Iceland/New Zealand volcanic eruptions responsible for Livestock Deaths, Skeletal Fluorosis and Contaminated Milk.

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ColCGE says.. fluoride is worse than Lead and only slightly less toxic than Arsenic to boot.


I agree.. strange, I'd say, the majority of people think fluoride is safe as long as it doesn't come out of a Toxic Factory Flue.


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NEW ZEALAND.


Livestock near Ruapehu volcano (photograph) were affected by fluorosis when grazing grass contaminated by ash from the 1995-1996 eruptions—more than two thousand lambs and ewes died after eating ash-contaminated pasture. The first sheep deaths began nine days after 1-3 mmof ash fall, and continued
for 7-10 more days.

WATER QUALITY.

Where there is a significant ash fall, clean water will likely be in short supply. Natural water sources and man-made ponds may be temporarily contaminated by ash, and water-pumping equipment can be damaged by the abrasive rock particles (covering with tarps may provide protection). Restoring quality water supplies for livestock is typically a high priority if livestock are to remain on land affected by ash fall.

Seasonal influences on survival (metabolic and nutritional demand of livestock).

The 1995-1996 eruption of in New Zealand (temperate region, 39o S latitude) clearly showed that a thin ash fall in early spring can have a significant impact on sheep, beef, and dairy farms. On dairy farms, milk yields were severely depressed in early lactation (yields were actually depressed during the entire lactation). On sheep and beef farms, lamb and calf survival and thrift were poor as ewes and beef cows reduced or stopped lactating. Wool quality is likely to be severely affected where sheep are close to shearing; the entire wool clip could be rejected.

ASH TOXICITY.

Ash falls may be poisonous to livestock and result in clinical diseases, including hypocalcaemia, fluorosis, forestomach and intestinal damage, and secondary metabolic disorders.

Fluorine aerosols in the eruption column and cloud that become attached to fine ash particles pose a potentially significant threat to livestock. As smaller ash particles have large surface areas relative to their mass, the fine particles can transport significant amounts of soluble fluorine onto pastures far downwind from an erupting volcano. THE SMALLEST ASH PARTICLES TRAVEL THE GREATEST DISTANCE FROM A VOLCANO; THUS A THIN LAYER OF FINE ASH ONLY 1 MM THICK CAN CONTAIN POTENTIALLY TOXIC AMOUNTS OF FLUORINE. LIVESTOCK INGEST FLUORINE DIRECTLY AS ASH IS CONSUMED ALONG WITH PASTURE FEED AND SOIL.

Fluorine poisoning has occurred in several Icelandic eruptions, and was recently responsible for the deaths of over 2,000 grazing animals following the 11 October 1995 eruption of Ruapehu, New Zealand (Cronin and others, 2003). An immediate toxic dietary intake of Fluorine is >100 µg g -1 for grazing animals, but a lower concentration may cause sickness. Cattle can tolerate around 40 µg F g -1, and sheep up to 60 µg F g -1. Under normal winter conditions in New Zealand sheep ingest 260-275 g of soil per day, and sheep foraging for feed covered with ash are likely to take in even more (Cronin and others, 2003).


Chronic fluorosis causes death. Before death, however, the poisoning causes lesions in the nose and mouth, and hair to fall out around the mouth. Other symptoms include nutritional and stress related diseases, convulsive seizures, pulmonary odema, and kidney and liver changes. A tooth condition known as "spiking" may also occur, causing outgrowths to develop on molars and making chewing difficult.

WHEN TOXIC LEVELS OF FLUORINE ON PASTURES ARE IDENTIFIED, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT LIVESTOCK ARE REMOVED FROM THE AFFECTED AREAS UNTIL SUFFICIENT RAINFALL HAS LEACHED THE FLUORINE FROM THE ASH.

A high sulphur concentration adhered to the ash may induce copper and cobalt deficiencies in the long term.


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http://volcanoes.usg
s.gov/ash/agric/inde
x.html#livestock
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Dentists carry out dental extractions on 15 children per day - UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON Press Release to all Media Outlets 13 JAN 2013 United Communities of Southampton Statement on fluoridation We firmly believe that it is our GOD given right, and responsibility, to choose what medications and food we consume . Whilst we understand the plight of those suffering from tooth decay; and our hearts go out to all those affected .We most firmly do NOT support the addition of hydrofluosilicic acid commonly referred to as fluoride to our water to address this issue . There is no good science to show that fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay, nor is there good evidence to prove that it is safe . In fact, we have solid PROOF that fluoridating the water is both ineffective and dangerous - to the health of humans and to Nature too . IN BIRMINGHAM THE WATER HAS BEEN FLUORIDATED FOR SOME TIME; DESPITE THIS, BIRMINGHAM IS STILL CARRYING OUT DENTAL EXTRACTIONS ON 15 CHILDREN PER DAY UNDER GENERAL ANAESTHETIC. Dr Dean Burke , chief scientist at the National Cancer Institute (USA) , stated under oath at a Congressional hearing 'Nothing causes or makes cancer explode faster in the body than fluoride.'Dr Burke calculated that adding fluoride to the water would increase the cancer rate by at least 10%. No-one has challenged his figures. In 2007 the American Dental Association warned parents not to make up formula milk with fluoridated water. In Southampton the reckless SHA has deemed any such warning as unnecessary. We have many , many concerns about the safety of ingesting an accumulative poison ; there are too many to list here .You need to understand that very few medical or dental 'professionals' are fully aware of the toxicity of fluoride. But fundamentally, the enforced medication by means of fluoridation is absolutely against our religious beliefs and is an insult to our Freedom. We feel most strongly that this is breaking the Law of the land. You do NOT have our consent to force our community to consume this awful toxin. Furthermore we have PROVEN methods that will safely and significantly reduce tooth decay , if not entirely eradicate this disease. We would very much like to share these proven measures with our communities and health authorities alike. Therefore we most strongly urge you to 'cease and desist' with any plans to fluoridate our drinking water . We urge you to meet with us in the near future so that we may work together to resolve this issue. For further info contact organising members of UCS Dr Zac Cox (Dentist), Mr Harjap Singh, Mr Ziarat Hussain, Mr Arshad Sharif, Mr Prithipal Singh Roath – p.singhroath@hotmail .co.uk - http://hampshireagai nstfluoridation.blog spot.co.uk/2013/01/u nited-communities-of -southampton.html[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer - Reply to Linesman.. Dr Burke calculated that Fluoridation could increase US cancer rate by a modest 10%.. Going by the calculations of The Oxford Cancer Intelligence Unit (OCIU) which is the UK's lead cancer registry for head and neck cancers.. Birmingham Solihull, Arden has the UKs Highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer, APPROX 40% HIGHER THAN SURREY, WEST SUSSEX AND HAMPSHIRE. We are told by SHA that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer, yet The OCIU tells us Thyroid Cancer has more than doubled in the Fluoridated Midlands and North East.. - PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL. Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006. The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period. East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases. AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX. - http://www.sph.nhs.u k/sph-documents/Fina l_Head_-_Neck_Profil es_04May2010.pdf - DR DURRANT-PEATFIELD MEDICAL ADVISOR TO THYROID UK SAYS.. SUMMARY: Fluorides are highly damaging to the Thyroid Gland, Fluorides are mutagenic, That is, they can cause the uncontrolled proliferation of cells we call cancer. This applies to cancer anywhere in the body, A report in 1955 in the New England Journal of Medicine showed a 400% increase in cancer of the thyroid in San Francisco during the period their water was fluoridated. The extreme sensitivity of the very young (foetus/baby) to fluoride toxicity makes Fluoridation unacceptable. - http://www.namastepu blishing.co.uk/the-e ffects-of-fluoride-o n-the-thyroid-gland/[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Iceland/New Zealand volcanic eruptions responsible for Livestock Deaths, Skeletal Fluorosis and Contaminated Milk. - ColCGE says.. fluoride is worse than Lead and only slightly less toxic than Arsenic to boot. I agree.. strange, I'd say, the majority of people think fluoride is safe as long as it doesn't come out of a Toxic Factory Flue. - NEW ZEALAND. Livestock near Ruapehu volcano (photograph) were affected by fluorosis when grazing grass contaminated by ash from the 1995-1996 eruptions—more than two thousand lambs and ewes died after eating ash-contaminated pasture. The first sheep deaths began nine days after 1-3 mmof ash fall, and continued for 7-10 more days. WATER QUALITY. Where there is a significant ash fall, clean water will likely be in short supply. Natural water sources and man-made ponds may be temporarily contaminated by ash, and water-pumping equipment can be damaged by the abrasive rock particles (covering with tarps may provide protection). Restoring quality water supplies for livestock is typically a high priority if livestock are to remain on land affected by ash fall. Seasonal influences on survival (metabolic and nutritional demand of livestock). The 1995-1996 eruption of in New Zealand (temperate region, 39o S latitude) clearly showed that a thin ash fall in early spring can have a significant impact on sheep, beef, and dairy farms. On dairy farms, milk yields were severely depressed in early lactation (yields were actually depressed during the entire lactation). On sheep and beef farms, lamb and calf survival and thrift were poor as ewes and beef cows reduced or stopped lactating. Wool quality is likely to be severely affected where sheep are close to shearing; the entire wool clip could be rejected. ASH TOXICITY. Ash falls may be poisonous to livestock and result in clinical diseases, including hypocalcaemia, fluorosis, forestomach and intestinal damage, and secondary metabolic disorders. Fluorine aerosols in the eruption column and cloud that become attached to fine ash particles pose a potentially significant threat to livestock. As smaller ash particles have large surface areas relative to their mass, the fine particles can transport significant amounts of soluble fluorine onto pastures far downwind from an erupting volcano. THE SMALLEST ASH PARTICLES TRAVEL THE GREATEST DISTANCE FROM A VOLCANO; THUS A THIN LAYER OF FINE ASH ONLY 1 MM THICK CAN CONTAIN POTENTIALLY TOXIC AMOUNTS OF FLUORINE. LIVESTOCK INGEST FLUORINE DIRECTLY AS ASH IS CONSUMED ALONG WITH PASTURE FEED AND SOIL. Fluorine poisoning has occurred in several Icelandic eruptions, and was recently responsible for the deaths of over 2,000 grazing animals following the 11 October 1995 eruption of Ruapehu, New Zealand (Cronin and others, 2003). An immediate toxic dietary intake of Fluorine is >100 µg g -1 for grazing animals, but a lower concentration may cause sickness. Cattle can tolerate around 40 µg F g -1, and sheep up to 60 µg F g -1. Under normal winter conditions in New Zealand sheep ingest 260-275 g of soil per day, and sheep foraging for feed covered with ash are likely to take in even more (Cronin and others, 2003). Chronic fluorosis causes death. Before death, however, the poisoning causes lesions in the nose and mouth, and hair to fall out around the mouth. Other symptoms include nutritional and stress related diseases, convulsive seizures, pulmonary odema, and kidney and liver changes. A tooth condition known as "spiking" may also occur, causing outgrowths to develop on molars and making chewing difficult. WHEN TOXIC LEVELS OF FLUORINE ON PASTURES ARE IDENTIFIED, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT LIVESTOCK ARE REMOVED FROM THE AFFECTED AREAS UNTIL SUFFICIENT RAINFALL HAS LEACHED THE FLUORINE FROM THE ASH. A high sulphur concentration adhered to the ash may induce copper and cobalt deficiencies in the long term. - http://volcanoes.usg s.gov/ash/agric/inde x.html#livestock Dan Soton
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5:51pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Shergold says...

I see we still have stupid professionals that DO NOT GIVE the RIGHT information about fluoride.!!!

Dr Jeyanthi John - we already have a high natural level of fluoride in our water that at the last report stated .06-.07 approx for 2011!!!

So if you add that to the poisonous fluoride already in toothpaste then there is NO NEED to add any more is there?? but then you as a professional are obviously not getting thru to the lazy parents that cant be bothered to get their kids to brush their teeth.

Dr Jeyanthi John, Your PEOPLE SKILLS are not up to much are they??

Linesman - what a bunch of crap you talk!! The Midlands and Ireland have been calling for an end to fluoride as the kids/teenagers have SO MUCH FLUOROSIS !!! as well other health problems that they never had before.!!!

Where on earth have you been looking?

IF we had good professionals that did their jobs properly by engaging with the parents more then we would not have this ridiculous expensive situation of having to pay to be poisoned by our tap water.

I would rather the money going on fluoride went on supporting kids in schools something that is far more positive in the end.
I see we still have stupid professionals that DO NOT GIVE the RIGHT information about fluoride.!!! Dr Jeyanthi John - we already have a high natural level of fluoride in our water that at the last report stated .06-.07 approx for 2011!!! So if you add that to the poisonous fluoride already in toothpaste then there is NO NEED to add any more is there?? but then you as a professional are obviously not getting thru to the lazy parents that cant be bothered to get their kids to brush their teeth. Dr Jeyanthi John, Your PEOPLE SKILLS are not up to much are they?? Linesman - what a bunch of crap you talk!! The Midlands and Ireland have been calling for an end to fluoride as the kids/teenagers have SO MUCH FLUOROSIS !!! as well other health problems that they never had before.!!! Where on earth have you been looking? IF we had good professionals that did their jobs properly by engaging with the parents more then we would not have this ridiculous expensive situation of having to pay to be poisoned by our tap water. I would rather the money going on fluoride went on supporting kids in schools something that is far more positive in the end. Shergold
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10:08pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Inform Al says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching.
The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted.
Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.
I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong.

I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong.

In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make.

I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school.

In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so.

I wonder why?

Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?
Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.
Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe.

I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands.

That is not theory, that is hard fact.
Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.
Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies!
You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning.
Instead of throwing insults around, how about answering the question?
As far as I'm concerned I did. It was also not me that started throwing insults about. I merely responded in kind.
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Linesman, although i appreciate your sentiments your faith in the 'professionals' is touching. The problem is they could be wrong, academics and researchers build their work on the progress of earlier times yet often that original information was flawed. Watch the 'way of all flesh' for the most extreme example showing 50 years of cancer research accepted worldwide was found to be based on a misinterpretation of data on day 1 with billions of $ and hours wasted. Unelected, unaccountable and with no liability these professionals are not to be believed just because they were given recognition under the Blair social engineering revolution with its ultimate goal of REDUCING population.[/p][/quote]I agree, professionals can be wrong. The Doctor who claimed that the MMR vaccine was the main cause of autism was a professional, and he was wrong. I have no doubt that there are also other instances where professionals have been wrong. In this instance, with more than 50 years of fluoridation in the Midlands, with no detrimental effects on the populace that have been consuming it, I think that proves that these self-proclaimed 'experts' who would have you believe that flouridation will be the death of us all, are alarmists with no actual basis for the claims they make. I would also point out that when fluridation commenced in the Midlands, Blair was in no way responsible, in fact I think you will find that he was still at junior school. In 50 years, governments of both political persuasion have had opportunity to 'pull the plug' on it, but have not done so. I wonder why? Could it be that people in the Midlands have seen no cause for complaint?[/p][/quote]Yet other places such as New york have evidence that says the opposite about fluoride.[/p][/quote]Americans also passed Thalidamide as being safe. I prefer to accept the evidence of more than 50 years use in the Midlands. That is not theory, that is hard fact.[/p][/quote]Gollocks. since fluoride has been added to our water supplies there has been an increase in all sorts of illnesses which so far have not been associated with the poison in our water. One day, when thanks to indoctrinated cretins like you, when we discover the truth about this situation, it will be too late. Like I have said elsewhere I have been made ill by fluoridated water and the officer for medical health in Southampton has refused my plea for a biopsy to prove the facts. says it all really. Just who is taking the backhander for dumping infustrial waste in our water.[/p][/quote]Paranoid nonsense. 'Increase in all sorts of illnesses'? Like what? And with what evidence? They won't listen to your pleas for a biopsy as fortunately health professionals can usually tell a hypochondriac from a mile off, and don't waste money on paranoid fantasies![/p][/quote]You seem to be a totally ignorant banker. This 'hypochondriac' has never been out of work and has never taken a day off sick from work. I don't catch any thing because I consider myself too slow to catch anything, I am however not immune to poisoning.[/p][/quote]Instead of throwing insults around, how about answering the question?[/p][/quote]As far as I'm concerned I did. It was also not me that started throwing insults about. I merely responded in kind. Inform Al
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10:47pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

Eight more communities are fluoride-free! On January 15th, the North Burnett Regional Council voted to end fluoridation for the Australian communities of Monto, Gayndah, and Mundubbera. This was followed by the South Burnett Regional Council also voting unanimously to end fluoridation on January 16th for the towns of Blackbutt, Nanango, Kingaroy, Wondai, and Murgon. The decision will protect the health of residents and save approximately $200,000 annually. Hopefully more communities in the state of Queensland will follow suit since the fluoridation mandate has been repealed, giving municipalities and regional councils authority over the practice.

Fluoridation proponents in Queensland are not giving up though. Just this week Queensland's Chief Health Officer, Dr Jeanette Young, went before the Australian media to urge municipalities to remain fluoridated. While doing so Dr. Young made some outrageous statements, calling fluoridation opponents "scare mongerers"and claiming that "there is no evidence to suggest that the amount of fluoride used has any detrimental health effects." Clearly neither Dr. Young nor her staff can read because the book The Case Against Fluoride has been available since 2010 and has over 80 pages of scientific references that offer an abundance of evidence of detrimental health effects. (Watch Dr. Young's 30 second statement)
Eight more communities are fluoride-free! On January 15th, the North Burnett Regional Council voted to end fluoridation for the Australian communities of Monto, Gayndah, and Mundubbera. This was followed by the South Burnett Regional Council also voting unanimously to end fluoridation on January 16th for the towns of Blackbutt, Nanango, Kingaroy, Wondai, and Murgon. The decision will protect the health of residents and save approximately $200,000 annually. Hopefully more communities in the state of Queensland will follow suit since the fluoridation mandate has been repealed, giving municipalities and regional councils authority over the practice. Fluoridation proponents in Queensland are not giving up though. Just this week Queensland's Chief Health Officer, Dr Jeanette Young, went before the Australian media to urge municipalities to remain fluoridated. While doing so Dr. Young made some outrageous statements, calling fluoridation opponents "scare mongerers"and claiming that "there is no evidence to suggest that the amount of fluoride used has any detrimental health effects." Clearly neither Dr. Young nor her staff can read because the book The Case Against Fluoride has been available since 2010 and has over 80 pages of scientific references that offer an abundance of evidence of detrimental health effects. (Watch Dr. Young's 30 second statement) Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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10:49pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Aussie Fluoride Fighter says...

Having whole states mandate fluoridation is even more anachronistic than the practice itself. When a community fluoridates it is doing to everyone what an individual doctor can do to no one – i.e. force an individual to take a medicine against their will. Very few states or countries in the world have taken on this arrogant power of forcing all its citizens to take a medicine without their informed consent. Those that do include Singapore, Ireland, several states in Australia, and 12 states in the US.
Several weeks ago the new premier of Queensland lifted the state’s mandatory requirement much to the relief of many communities there that have fought fluoridation over many decades, including Bundaberg, North & South Burnett, and Rockhampton. All of us at FAN are hoping that Queensland’s lifting the mandate will be the first of several others in 2013. Meanwhile, we have to continue ending fluoridation one open mind and one community at a time.
Meanwhile, the leaders of the pro-fluoridation lobby continue to prefer mandatory fluoridation at the state level, and seek to avoid public votes and public debates.
The following comments were taken from the notes accompanying a power point presentation to dentists in Japan in 2011 given by Dr. Michael Foley a dentist from Brisbane, Australia and vice-president of the Australian Dental Association.
Ideally, a high level decision involving the whole country or prefecture is preferable to numerous debates in smaller towns and cities…
In Australia, fluoridation is taught in all dental schools, and almost all dentists support its introduction…
The anti-fluoride lobby prefers public referendums to decisions by governments, since scare tactics can be used to influence undecided and uninformed people. Try to avoid a referendum if possible, even if polls show a majority of people in favour of water fluoridation. A majority often disappears once the referendum starts. There’s also usually an obligation to fund both sides of a referendum argument equally. In Australia, most referendums fail because people tend to maintain the existing situation and vote against change.
In Australia, most referendums fail because people tend to maintain the existing situation and vote against change.
Referendums in Australia are only passed if all major political parties are in favour. Most major public health initiatives e.g. smoking legislation, speed limits, alcohol restrictions, vaccinations etc are made by governments and are not subject to referendums. Why should fluoridation be.
Try to avoid debates in public or on radio or TV in which anti-fluoridationist
s also appear. Taking part in a debate with anti-fluoridationist
s gives them a respectability that they don’t deserve. Anti-fluoridationist
s are always keen to have a public debate since they rely on emotive language rather than science. Their arguments are usually simple, because they’re trying to convince the general public, not scientists. Most of their arguments are wrong, taken out of context, or out of date, but disproving anti-fluoridation claims takes considerably longer than making the claims in the first place, and some degree of doubt from the original claim will often still be left.
Having whole states mandate fluoridation is even more anachronistic than the practice itself. When a community fluoridates it is doing to everyone what an individual doctor can do to no one – i.e. force an individual to take a medicine against their will. Very few states or countries in the world have taken on this arrogant power of forcing all its citizens to take a medicine without their informed consent. Those that do include Singapore, Ireland, several states in Australia, and 12 states in the US. Several weeks ago the new premier of Queensland lifted the state’s mandatory requirement much to the relief of many communities there that have fought fluoridation over many decades, including Bundaberg, North & South Burnett, and Rockhampton. All of us at FAN are hoping that Queensland’s lifting the mandate will be the first of several others in 2013. Meanwhile, we have to continue ending fluoridation one open mind and one community at a time. Meanwhile, the leaders of the pro-fluoridation lobby continue to prefer mandatory fluoridation at the state level, and seek to avoid public votes and public debates. The following comments were taken from the notes accompanying a power point presentation to dentists in Japan in 2011 given by Dr. Michael Foley a dentist from Brisbane, Australia and vice-president of the Australian Dental Association. Ideally, a high level decision involving the whole country or prefecture is preferable to numerous debates in smaller towns and cities… In Australia, fluoridation is taught in all dental schools, and almost all dentists support its introduction… The anti-fluoride lobby prefers public referendums to decisions by governments, since scare tactics can be used to influence undecided and uninformed people. Try to avoid a referendum if possible, even if polls show a majority of people in favour of water fluoridation. A majority often disappears once the referendum starts. There’s also usually an obligation to fund both sides of a referendum argument equally. In Australia, most referendums fail because people tend to maintain the existing situation and vote against change. In Australia, most referendums fail because people tend to maintain the existing situation and vote against change. Referendums in Australia are only passed if all major political parties are in favour. Most major public health initiatives e.g. smoking legislation, speed limits, alcohol restrictions, vaccinations etc are made by governments and are not subject to referendums. Why should fluoridation be. Try to avoid debates in public or on radio or TV in which anti-fluoridationist s also appear. Taking part in a debate with anti-fluoridationist s gives them a respectability that they don’t deserve. Anti-fluoridationist s are always keen to have a public debate since they rely on emotive language rather than science. Their arguments are usually simple, because they’re trying to convince the general public, not scientists. Most of their arguments are wrong, taken out of context, or out of date, but disproving anti-fluoridation claims takes considerably longer than making the claims in the first place, and some degree of doubt from the original claim will often still be left. Aussie Fluoride Fighter
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5:39am Wed 30 Jan 13

Dan Soton says...

Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents


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AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009.

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Cairns council votes to dump fluoride..

Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM.

The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents.

But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue.

"If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday.

"The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent."

Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said.

Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month.

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http://www.brisbanet
imes.com.au/queensla
nd/cairns-council-vo
tes-to-dump-fluoride
-20130130-2dk1a.html
Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents - AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009. - Cairns council votes to dump fluoride.. Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM. The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents. But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue. "If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday. "The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent." Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said. Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month. - http://www.brisbanet imes.com.au/queensla nd/cairns-council-vo tes-to-dump-fluoride -20130130-2dk1a.html Dan Soton
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7:21am Fri 1 Feb 13

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents


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AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009.

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Cairns council votes to dump fluoride..

Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM.

The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents.

But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue.

"If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday.

"The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent."

Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said.

Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month.

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http://www.brisbanet

imes.com.au/queensla

nd/cairns-council-vo

tes-to-dump-fluoride

-20130130-2dk1a.html
Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.

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THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE.

In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average.

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www.apho.org.uk/reso
urce/view.aspx?RID=9
5375
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Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels

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http://tinyurl.com/b
8m9wh8
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents - AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009. - Cairns council votes to dump fluoride.. Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM. The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents. But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue. "If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday. "The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent." Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said. Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month. - http://www.brisbanet imes.com.au/queensla nd/cairns-council-vo tes-to-dump-fluoride -20130130-2dk1a.html[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. - THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE. In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8 Dan Soton
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3:06pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents


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AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009.

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Cairns council votes to dump fluoride..

Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM.

The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents.

But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue.

"If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday.

"The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent."

Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said.

Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month.

-


http://www.brisbanet


imes.com.au/queensla


nd/cairns-council-vo


tes-to-dump-fluoride


-20130130-2dk1a.html
Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.

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THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE.

In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average.

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www.apho.org.uk/reso

urce/view.aspx?RID=9

5375
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Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels

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http://tinyurl.com/b

8m9wh8
Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than Southampton's.


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Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.



Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than SHA's Average.


Southampton's Adult Obesity is Not Significantly different from SHA's Average.


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www.apho.org.uk/reso
urce/view.aspx?RID=9
5375

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Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l
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http://tinyurl.com/b
8m9wh8

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TAP (fluoridated) WATER CAN MAKE YOU FAT, SAY EXPERTS

Jul 11 2004.

By Caroline Wheeler, Sunday Mercury.

Medical experts claim that West Midlands tap water can make people FAT and could be fuelling rising obesity levels.

For the past 40 years, fluoride has been pumped into the region's tap water to help keep teeth healthy.

But now a top doctor claims that the toxin can cause worrying health side-effects including hypothyroidism, a medical dis-order affecting the thyroid gland which controls weight gain.

And he believes that children may be particularly susceptible to obesity if their mums drank fluoridated water while pregnant.

LAST YEAR, THE WEST MIDLANDS TOPPED THE UK 'FAT LIST' WITH A SHOCKING 22.5 PER CENT OF ITS POPULATION CLASSED CLINICALLY OBESE.

Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield said: "There is no doubt that fluoride is enzyme disruptive and one thing it affects is thyroid hormones.

"As a result of this disruption, people can finish up with partial under-activity of the thyroid gland.

"Thyroid problems are becoming more common, particularly in Birmingham, and one of the reasons is because of fluoride in the water."

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http://tinyurl.com/a
jtcvgm
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents - AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009. - Cairns council votes to dump fluoride.. Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM. The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents. But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue. "If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday. "The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent." Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said. Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month. - http://www.brisbanet imes.com.au/queensla nd/cairns-council-vo tes-to-dump-fluoride -20130130-2dk1a.html[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. - THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE. In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than Southampton's. - Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than SHA's Average. Southampton's Adult Obesity is Not Significantly different from SHA's Average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8 - TAP (fluoridated) WATER CAN MAKE YOU FAT, SAY EXPERTS Jul 11 2004. By Caroline Wheeler, Sunday Mercury. Medical experts claim that West Midlands tap water can make people FAT and could be fuelling rising obesity levels. For the past 40 years, fluoride has been pumped into the region's tap water to help keep teeth healthy. But now a top doctor claims that the toxin can cause worrying health side-effects including hypothyroidism, a medical dis-order affecting the thyroid gland which controls weight gain. And he believes that children may be particularly susceptible to obesity if their mums drank fluoridated water while pregnant. LAST YEAR, THE WEST MIDLANDS TOPPED THE UK 'FAT LIST' WITH A SHOCKING 22.5 PER CENT OF ITS POPULATION CLASSED CLINICALLY OBESE. Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield said: "There is no doubt that fluoride is enzyme disruptive and one thing it affects is thyroid hormones. "As a result of this disruption, people can finish up with partial under-activity of the thyroid gland. "Thyroid problems are becoming more common, particularly in Birmingham, and one of the reasons is because of fluoride in the water." - http://tinyurl.com/a jtcvgm Dan Soton
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3:32am Tue 5 Feb 13

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents


-

AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009.

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Cairns council votes to dump fluoride..

Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM.

The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents.

But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue.

"If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday.

"The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent."

Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said.

Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month.

-


http://www.brisbanet



imes.com.au/queensla



nd/cairns-council-vo



tes-to-dump-fluoride



-20130130-2dk1a.html
Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.

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THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE.

In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average.

-


www.apho.org.uk/reso


urce/view.aspx?RID=9


5375
-



Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels

-

http://tinyurl.com/b


8m9wh8
Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than Southampton's.


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Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.



Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than SHA's Average.


Southampton's Adult Obesity is Not Significantly different from SHA's Average.


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www.apho.org.uk/reso

urce/view.aspx?RID=9

5375

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Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l
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http://tinyurl.com/b

8m9wh8

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TAP (fluoridated) WATER CAN MAKE YOU FAT, SAY EXPERTS

Jul 11 2004.

By Caroline Wheeler, Sunday Mercury.

Medical experts claim that West Midlands tap water can make people FAT and could be fuelling rising obesity levels.

For the past 40 years, fluoride has been pumped into the region's tap water to help keep teeth healthy.

But now a top doctor claims that the toxin can cause worrying health side-effects including hypothyroidism, a medical dis-order affecting the thyroid gland which controls weight gain.

And he believes that children may be particularly susceptible to obesity if their mums drank fluoridated water while pregnant.

LAST YEAR, THE WEST MIDLANDS TOPPED THE UK 'FAT LIST' WITH A SHOCKING 22.5 PER CENT OF ITS POPULATION CLASSED CLINICALLY OBESE.

Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield said: "There is no doubt that fluoride is enzyme disruptive and one thing it affects is thyroid hormones.

"As a result of this disruption, people can finish up with partial under-activity of the thyroid gland.

"Thyroid problems are becoming more common, particularly in Birmingham, and one of the reasons is because of fluoride in the water."

-


http://tinyurl.com/a

jtcvgm
Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than Southampton/England


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Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.



Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than the England Average.


Southampton, the numbers over-65s with hip fractures are not significantly different from the England average.

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www.apho.org.uk/reso
urce/view.aspx?RID=9
5375

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Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l

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http://tinyurl.com/b
8m9wh8

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THE CRIPPLING (FLUORIDE )TOXIN YOU KNOWINGLY CONSUME EVERY DAY...

August 10, 2011

The fact that fluoride can damage your bones, often quite seriously, is no longer in dispute. Just ask the millions of people throughout the world who currently suffer from skeletal fluorosis—a crippling bone disease caused by too much fluoride and marked by irregular bone growth and calcification of the joints.

Of course, it takes a high dose of fluoride to cause crippling fluorosis.

BUT FLUORIDE ACCUMULATES OVER TIME, SO THE SEVERITY OF SKELETAL FLUOROSIS EXISTS ALONG A CONTINUUM, WITH THE EARLIER STAGES PRODUCED BY LOWER DOSES AND MARKED BY MORE SUBTLE SYMPTOMS, SUCH AS JOINT PAIN AND STIFFNESS.

In 2006, skeletal fluorosis was identified by the US National Research Council (NRC) as an adverse effect that needs to be considered by the EPA when lowering the maximum safe level of fluoride in water. While case studies in recent years have documented advanced skeletal fluorosis in the US among high-tea drinkers, the EPA has done no serious analysis of the extent to which the disease may be occurring throughout the country.

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http://articles.merc
ola.com/sites/articl
es/archive/2011/08/1
0/fluoride-can-damag
e-your-bones.aspx
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents - AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009. - Cairns council votes to dump fluoride.. Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM. The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents. But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue. "If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday. "The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent." Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said. Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month. - http://www.brisbanet imes.com.au/queensla nd/cairns-council-vo tes-to-dump-fluoride -20130130-2dk1a.html[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. - THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE. In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than Southampton's. - Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than SHA's Average. Southampton's Adult Obesity is Not Significantly different from SHA's Average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8 - TAP (fluoridated) WATER CAN MAKE YOU FAT, SAY EXPERTS Jul 11 2004. By Caroline Wheeler, Sunday Mercury. Medical experts claim that West Midlands tap water can make people FAT and could be fuelling rising obesity levels. For the past 40 years, fluoride has been pumped into the region's tap water to help keep teeth healthy. But now a top doctor claims that the toxin can cause worrying health side-effects including hypothyroidism, a medical dis-order affecting the thyroid gland which controls weight gain. And he believes that children may be particularly susceptible to obesity if their mums drank fluoridated water while pregnant. LAST YEAR, THE WEST MIDLANDS TOPPED THE UK 'FAT LIST' WITH A SHOCKING 22.5 PER CENT OF ITS POPULATION CLASSED CLINICALLY OBESE. Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield said: "There is no doubt that fluoride is enzyme disruptive and one thing it affects is thyroid hormones. "As a result of this disruption, people can finish up with partial under-activity of the thyroid gland. "Thyroid problems are becoming more common, particularly in Birmingham, and one of the reasons is because of fluoride in the water." - http://tinyurl.com/a jtcvgm[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than Southampton/England - Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than the England Average. Southampton, the numbers over-65s with hip fractures are not significantly different from the England average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8 - THE CRIPPLING (FLUORIDE )TOXIN YOU KNOWINGLY CONSUME EVERY DAY... August 10, 2011 The fact that fluoride can damage your bones, often quite seriously, is no longer in dispute. Just ask the millions of people throughout the world who currently suffer from skeletal fluorosis—a crippling bone disease caused by too much fluoride and marked by irregular bone growth and calcification of the joints. Of course, it takes a high dose of fluoride to cause crippling fluorosis. BUT FLUORIDE ACCUMULATES OVER TIME, SO THE SEVERITY OF SKELETAL FLUOROSIS EXISTS ALONG A CONTINUUM, WITH THE EARLIER STAGES PRODUCED BY LOWER DOSES AND MARKED BY MORE SUBTLE SYMPTOMS, SUCH AS JOINT PAIN AND STIFFNESS. In 2006, skeletal fluorosis was identified by the US National Research Council (NRC) as an adverse effect that needs to be considered by the EPA when lowering the maximum safe level of fluoride in water. While case studies in recent years have documented advanced skeletal fluorosis in the US among high-tea drinkers, the EPA has done no serious analysis of the extent to which the disease may be occurring throughout the country. - http://articles.merc ola.com/sites/articl es/archive/2011/08/1 0/fluoride-can-damag e-your-bones.aspx Dan Soton
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Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents


-

AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009.

-




Cairns council votes to dump fluoride..

Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM.

The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents.

But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue.

"If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday.

"The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent."

Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said.

Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month.

-


http://www.brisbanet




imes.com.au/queensla




nd/cairns-council-vo




tes-to-dump-fluoride




-20130130-2dk1a.html
Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.

-


THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE.

In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average.

-


www.apho.org.uk/reso



urce/view.aspx?RID=9



5375
-



Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels

-

http://tinyurl.com/b



8m9wh8
Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than Southampton's.


-

Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.



Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than SHA's Average.


Southampton's Adult Obesity is Not Significantly different from SHA's Average.


-

www.apho.org.uk/reso


urce/view.aspx?RID=9


5375

-

Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l
-

http://tinyurl.com/b


8m9wh8

-



TAP (fluoridated) WATER CAN MAKE YOU FAT, SAY EXPERTS

Jul 11 2004.

By Caroline Wheeler, Sunday Mercury.

Medical experts claim that West Midlands tap water can make people FAT and could be fuelling rising obesity levels.

For the past 40 years, fluoride has been pumped into the region's tap water to help keep teeth healthy.

But now a top doctor claims that the toxin can cause worrying health side-effects including hypothyroidism, a medical dis-order affecting the thyroid gland which controls weight gain.

And he believes that children may be particularly susceptible to obesity if their mums drank fluoridated water while pregnant.

LAST YEAR, THE WEST MIDLANDS TOPPED THE UK 'FAT LIST' WITH A SHOCKING 22.5 PER CENT OF ITS POPULATION CLASSED CLINICALLY OBESE.

Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield said: "There is no doubt that fluoride is enzyme disruptive and one thing it affects is thyroid hormones.

"As a result of this disruption, people can finish up with partial under-activity of the thyroid gland.

"Thyroid problems are becoming more common, particularly in Birmingham, and one of the reasons is because of fluoride in the water."

-


http://tinyurl.com/a


jtcvgm
Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than Southampton/England


-

Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.



Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than the England Average.


Southampton, the numbers over-65s with hip fractures are not significantly different from the England average.

-

www.apho.org.uk/reso

urce/view.aspx?RID=9

5375

-

Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l

-

http://tinyurl.com/b

8m9wh8

-



THE CRIPPLING (FLUORIDE )TOXIN YOU KNOWINGLY CONSUME EVERY DAY...

August 10, 2011

The fact that fluoride can damage your bones, often quite seriously, is no longer in dispute. Just ask the millions of people throughout the world who currently suffer from skeletal fluorosis—a crippling bone disease caused by too much fluoride and marked by irregular bone growth and calcification of the joints.

Of course, it takes a high dose of fluoride to cause crippling fluorosis.

BUT FLUORIDE ACCUMULATES OVER TIME, SO THE SEVERITY OF SKELETAL FLUOROSIS EXISTS ALONG A CONTINUUM, WITH THE EARLIER STAGES PRODUCED BY LOWER DOSES AND MARKED BY MORE SUBTLE SYMPTOMS, SUCH AS JOINT PAIN AND STIFFNESS.

In 2006, skeletal fluorosis was identified by the US National Research Council (NRC) as an adverse effect that needs to be considered by the EPA when lowering the maximum safe level of fluoride in water. While case studies in recent years have documented advanced skeletal fluorosis in the US among high-tea drinkers, the EPA has done no serious analysis of the extent to which the disease may be occurring throughout the country.

-

http://articles.merc

ola.com/sites/articl

es/archive/2011/08/1

0/fluoride-can-damag

e-your-bones.aspx
Fluoridation X-Files.. 60% of all U.S. Children have Dental Fluorosis.. 3% to 4% expected in Southampton?



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SHA's OWN RESEARCH REVIEW.

The Medical Research Council, when reviewing the York report and taking account of other studies, concluded that a more realistic figure for fluorosis in fluoridated areas within the UK might be between 3% and 4%.

http://tinyurl.com/b
6ewake

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FLUORIDATION IS NOTHING TO CELEBRATE.

NEW YORK, Jan. 23, 2013.

Fluoride overexposure is a new and GROWING EPIDEMIC AFFLICTING UP TO 60% OF U.S. ADOLESCENTS WITH DENTAL FLUOROSIS (white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth). Early fluoridationists expected that no more than 10% of children would develop mild fluorosis. CDC reports that Black and Mexican-American children suffer significantly higher rates of the more severe forms of dental fluorosis.

Even fluoride varnish, containing 26,600 ppm fluoride, was never safety-tested but is applied to teeth of babies as young as 6-months-old which "leads to a significant increase in urine fluoride."


-

http://www.prnewswir
e.com/news-releases/
fluoridation-is-noth
ing-to-celebrate-188
045531.html
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents - AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009. - Cairns council votes to dump fluoride.. Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM. The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents. But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue. "If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday. "The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent." Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said. Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month. - http://www.brisbanet imes.com.au/queensla nd/cairns-council-vo tes-to-dump-fluoride -20130130-2dk1a.html[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. - THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE. In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than Southampton's. - Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than SHA's Average. Southampton's Adult Obesity is Not Significantly different from SHA's Average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8 - TAP (fluoridated) WATER CAN MAKE YOU FAT, SAY EXPERTS Jul 11 2004. By Caroline Wheeler, Sunday Mercury. Medical experts claim that West Midlands tap water can make people FAT and could be fuelling rising obesity levels. For the past 40 years, fluoride has been pumped into the region's tap water to help keep teeth healthy. But now a top doctor claims that the toxin can cause worrying health side-effects including hypothyroidism, a medical dis-order affecting the thyroid gland which controls weight gain. And he believes that children may be particularly susceptible to obesity if their mums drank fluoridated water while pregnant. LAST YEAR, THE WEST MIDLANDS TOPPED THE UK 'FAT LIST' WITH A SHOCKING 22.5 PER CENT OF ITS POPULATION CLASSED CLINICALLY OBESE. Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield said: "There is no doubt that fluoride is enzyme disruptive and one thing it affects is thyroid hormones. "As a result of this disruption, people can finish up with partial under-activity of the thyroid gland. "Thyroid problems are becoming more common, particularly in Birmingham, and one of the reasons is because of fluoride in the water." - http://tinyurl.com/a jtcvgm[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than Southampton/England - Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than the England Average. Southampton, the numbers over-65s with hip fractures are not significantly different from the England average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8 - THE CRIPPLING (FLUORIDE )TOXIN YOU KNOWINGLY CONSUME EVERY DAY... August 10, 2011 The fact that fluoride can damage your bones, often quite seriously, is no longer in dispute. Just ask the millions of people throughout the world who currently suffer from skeletal fluorosis—a crippling bone disease caused by too much fluoride and marked by irregular bone growth and calcification of the joints. Of course, it takes a high dose of fluoride to cause crippling fluorosis. BUT FLUORIDE ACCUMULATES OVER TIME, SO THE SEVERITY OF SKELETAL FLUOROSIS EXISTS ALONG A CONTINUUM, WITH THE EARLIER STAGES PRODUCED BY LOWER DOSES AND MARKED BY MORE SUBTLE SYMPTOMS, SUCH AS JOINT PAIN AND STIFFNESS. In 2006, skeletal fluorosis was identified by the US National Research Council (NRC) as an adverse effect that needs to be considered by the EPA when lowering the maximum safe level of fluoride in water. While case studies in recent years have documented advanced skeletal fluorosis in the US among high-tea drinkers, the EPA has done no serious analysis of the extent to which the disease may be occurring throughout the country. - http://articles.merc ola.com/sites/articl es/archive/2011/08/1 0/fluoride-can-damag e-your-bones.aspx[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. 60% of all U.S. Children have Dental Fluorosis.. 3% to 4% expected in Southampton? - SHA's OWN RESEARCH REVIEW. The Medical Research Council, when reviewing the York report and taking account of other studies, concluded that a more realistic figure for fluorosis in fluoridated areas within the UK might be between 3% and 4%. http://tinyurl.com/b 6ewake - FLUORIDATION IS NOTHING TO CELEBRATE. NEW YORK, Jan. 23, 2013. Fluoride overexposure is a new and GROWING EPIDEMIC AFFLICTING UP TO 60% OF U.S. ADOLESCENTS WITH DENTAL FLUOROSIS (white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth). Early fluoridationists expected that no more than 10% of children would develop mild fluorosis. CDC reports that Black and Mexican-American children suffer significantly higher rates of the more severe forms of dental fluorosis. Even fluoride varnish, containing 26,600 ppm fluoride, was never safety-tested but is applied to teeth of babies as young as 6-months-old which "leads to a significant increase in urine fluoride." - http://www.prnewswir e.com/news-releases/ fluoridation-is-noth ing-to-celebrate-188 045531.html Dan Soton
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3:56am Thu 7 Feb 13

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents


-

AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009.

-




Cairns council votes to dump fluoride..

Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM.

The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents.

But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue.

"If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday.

"The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent."

Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said.

Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month.

-


http://www.brisbanet





imes.com.au/queensla





nd/cairns-council-vo





tes-to-dump-fluoride





-20130130-2dk1a.html
Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.

-


THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE.

In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average.

-


www.apho.org.uk/reso




urce/view.aspx?RID=9




5375
-



Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels

-

http://tinyurl.com/b




8m9wh8
Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than Southampton's.


-

Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.



Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than SHA's Average.


Southampton's Adult Obesity is Not Significantly different from SHA's Average.


-

www.apho.org.uk/reso



urce/view.aspx?RID=9



5375

-

Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l
-

http://tinyurl.com/b



8m9wh8

-



TAP (fluoridated) WATER CAN MAKE YOU FAT, SAY EXPERTS

Jul 11 2004.

By Caroline Wheeler, Sunday Mercury.

Medical experts claim that West Midlands tap water can make people FAT and could be fuelling rising obesity levels.

For the past 40 years, fluoride has been pumped into the region's tap water to help keep teeth healthy.

But now a top doctor claims that the toxin can cause worrying health side-effects including hypothyroidism, a medical dis-order affecting the thyroid gland which controls weight gain.

And he believes that children may be particularly susceptible to obesity if their mums drank fluoridated water while pregnant.

LAST YEAR, THE WEST MIDLANDS TOPPED THE UK 'FAT LIST' WITH A SHOCKING 22.5 PER CENT OF ITS POPULATION CLASSED CLINICALLY OBESE.

Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield said: "There is no doubt that fluoride is enzyme disruptive and one thing it affects is thyroid hormones.

"As a result of this disruption, people can finish up with partial under-activity of the thyroid gland.

"Thyroid problems are becoming more common, particularly in Birmingham, and one of the reasons is because of fluoride in the water."

-


http://tinyurl.com/a



jtcvgm
Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than Southampton/England


-

Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.



Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than the England Average.


Southampton, the numbers over-65s with hip fractures are not significantly different from the England average.

-

www.apho.org.uk/reso


urce/view.aspx?RID=9


5375

-

Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l

-

http://tinyurl.com/b


8m9wh8

-



THE CRIPPLING (FLUORIDE )TOXIN YOU KNOWINGLY CONSUME EVERY DAY...

August 10, 2011

The fact that fluoride can damage your bones, often quite seriously, is no longer in dispute. Just ask the millions of people throughout the world who currently suffer from skeletal fluorosis—a crippling bone disease caused by too much fluoride and marked by irregular bone growth and calcification of the joints.

Of course, it takes a high dose of fluoride to cause crippling fluorosis.

BUT FLUORIDE ACCUMULATES OVER TIME, SO THE SEVERITY OF SKELETAL FLUOROSIS EXISTS ALONG A CONTINUUM, WITH THE EARLIER STAGES PRODUCED BY LOWER DOSES AND MARKED BY MORE SUBTLE SYMPTOMS, SUCH AS JOINT PAIN AND STIFFNESS.

In 2006, skeletal fluorosis was identified by the US National Research Council (NRC) as an adverse effect that needs to be considered by the EPA when lowering the maximum safe level of fluoride in water. While case studies in recent years have documented advanced skeletal fluorosis in the US among high-tea drinkers, the EPA has done no serious analysis of the extent to which the disease may be occurring throughout the country.

-

http://articles.merc


ola.com/sites/articl


es/archive/2011/08/1


0/fluoride-can-damag


e-your-bones.aspx
Fluoridation X-Files.. 60% of all U.S. Children have Dental Fluorosis.. 3% to 4% expected in Southampton?



-

SHA's OWN RESEARCH REVIEW.

The Medical Research Council, when reviewing the York report and taking account of other studies, concluded that a more realistic figure for fluorosis in fluoridated areas within the UK might be between 3% and 4%.

http://tinyurl.com/b

6ewake

-



FLUORIDATION IS NOTHING TO CELEBRATE.

NEW YORK, Jan. 23, 2013.

Fluoride overexposure is a new and GROWING EPIDEMIC AFFLICTING UP TO 60% OF U.S. ADOLESCENTS WITH DENTAL FLUOROSIS (white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth). Early fluoridationists expected that no more than 10% of children would develop mild fluorosis. CDC reports that Black and Mexican-American children suffer significantly higher rates of the more severe forms of dental fluorosis.

Even fluoride varnish, containing 26,600 ppm fluoride, was never safety-tested but is applied to teeth of babies as young as 6-months-old which "leads to a significant increase in urine fluoride."


-

http://www.prnewswir

e.com/news-releases/

fluoridation-is-noth

ing-to-celebrate-188

045531.html
Fluoridation X-Files.. Criminal SHA Bosses to be held responsible for deaths of relatives


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A date which will live in infamy.. 11 Feb 2011, SHA defeated a High Court legal challenge designed to stop Southampton's Fluoridation.


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FAMILIES CALL FOR BOSSES TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATHS OF RELATIVES.

JONATHAN BROWN WEDNESDAY 06 FEBRUARY 2013.

NHS's darkest day: Five more hospitals under investigation for neglect as report blames 'failings at every level' for 1,200 deaths at Stafford Hospital.

The families of patients who died after receiving substandard care at Stafford Hospital have demanded that senior managers – including the current head of the NHS – be held responsible for the deaths of their loved ones.

Families called for the resignation of Sir David Nicholson, NHS chief executive, who was head of Shropshire and Staffordshire Strategic Health Authority which was responsible for Mid Staffs NHS Trust at the time of the scandal. Some also demanded the head of Peter Carter, general secretary of the Royal College of Nursing, after the report’s damning verdict on nursing standards.

“The point about criminal prosecution, which I think most people feel, is that perhaps more than a thousand people died because of poor care. No one has been brought to book and that feels wrong,” he told Sky News.

Sir David Nicholson.

Former chief executive of West Midlands Strategic Health Authority and the Shropshire and Staffordshire Strategic Health Authority. He was responsible for supervising Mid Staffs NHS Trust from 2005 to 2006. Yesterday he repeated his apology for the poor care experienced by patients, adding: “But apologies are not enough – we need action, we need to make things happen.”

Cynthia Bower Former chief executive of West Midlands Strategic Health Authority.

The report concluded that Ms Bower’s priorities were directed at finance and restructuring rather than care. “The protection of patients does not figure expressly at all in her priorities, although she would doubtless argue that such a concept underlay all of them,” it found.

Martin Yeates Former chief executive of Mid Staffordshire NHS Trust.

Salary: £180,000.

The report said he failed to appreciate the seriousness of the Trust’s problems and the significance of the mortality figures. "HE WAS THAT MOST DANGEROUS OF LEADERS: ONE WHO WAS PERSUASIVE BUT INEFFECTIVE," IT SAID. RECEIVED £400,000 PAY-OFF AND £1M PENSION POT.

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http://tinyurl.com/b
4y69cx
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents - AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009. - Cairns council votes to dump fluoride.. Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM. The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents. But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue. "If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday. "The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent." Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said. Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month. - http://www.brisbanet imes.com.au/queensla nd/cairns-council-vo tes-to-dump-fluoride -20130130-2dk1a.html[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. - THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE. In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than Southampton's. - Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than SHA's Average. Southampton's Adult Obesity is Not Significantly different from SHA's Average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8 - TAP (fluoridated) WATER CAN MAKE YOU FAT, SAY EXPERTS Jul 11 2004. By Caroline Wheeler, Sunday Mercury. Medical experts claim that West Midlands tap water can make people FAT and could be fuelling rising obesity levels. For the past 40 years, fluoride has been pumped into the region's tap water to help keep teeth healthy. But now a top doctor claims that the toxin can cause worrying health side-effects including hypothyroidism, a medical dis-order affecting the thyroid gland which controls weight gain. And he believes that children may be particularly susceptible to obesity if their mums drank fluoridated water while pregnant. LAST YEAR, THE WEST MIDLANDS TOPPED THE UK 'FAT LIST' WITH A SHOCKING 22.5 PER CENT OF ITS POPULATION CLASSED CLINICALLY OBESE. Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield said: "There is no doubt that fluoride is enzyme disruptive and one thing it affects is thyroid hormones. "As a result of this disruption, people can finish up with partial under-activity of the thyroid gland. "Thyroid problems are becoming more common, particularly in Birmingham, and one of the reasons is because of fluoride in the water." - http://tinyurl.com/a jtcvgm[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than Southampton/England - Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than the England Average. Southampton, the numbers over-65s with hip fractures are not significantly different from the England average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8 - THE CRIPPLING (FLUORIDE )TOXIN YOU KNOWINGLY CONSUME EVERY DAY... August 10, 2011 The fact that fluoride can damage your bones, often quite seriously, is no longer in dispute. Just ask the millions of people throughout the world who currently suffer from skeletal fluorosis—a crippling bone disease caused by too much fluoride and marked by irregular bone growth and calcification of the joints. Of course, it takes a high dose of fluoride to cause crippling fluorosis. BUT FLUORIDE ACCUMULATES OVER TIME, SO THE SEVERITY OF SKELETAL FLUOROSIS EXISTS ALONG A CONTINUUM, WITH THE EARLIER STAGES PRODUCED BY LOWER DOSES AND MARKED BY MORE SUBTLE SYMPTOMS, SUCH AS JOINT PAIN AND STIFFNESS. In 2006, skeletal fluorosis was identified by the US National Research Council (NRC) as an adverse effect that needs to be considered by the EPA when lowering the maximum safe level of fluoride in water. While case studies in recent years have documented advanced skeletal fluorosis in the US among high-tea drinkers, the EPA has done no serious analysis of the extent to which the disease may be occurring throughout the country. - http://articles.merc ola.com/sites/articl es/archive/2011/08/1 0/fluoride-can-damag e-your-bones.aspx[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. 60% of all U.S. Children have Dental Fluorosis.. 3% to 4% expected in Southampton? - SHA's OWN RESEARCH REVIEW. The Medical Research Council, when reviewing the York report and taking account of other studies, concluded that a more realistic figure for fluorosis in fluoridated areas within the UK might be between 3% and 4%. http://tinyurl.com/b 6ewake - FLUORIDATION IS NOTHING TO CELEBRATE. NEW YORK, Jan. 23, 2013. Fluoride overexposure is a new and GROWING EPIDEMIC AFFLICTING UP TO 60% OF U.S. ADOLESCENTS WITH DENTAL FLUOROSIS (white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth). Early fluoridationists expected that no more than 10% of children would develop mild fluorosis. CDC reports that Black and Mexican-American children suffer significantly higher rates of the more severe forms of dental fluorosis. Even fluoride varnish, containing 26,600 ppm fluoride, was never safety-tested but is applied to teeth of babies as young as 6-months-old which "leads to a significant increase in urine fluoride." - http://www.prnewswir e.com/news-releases/ fluoridation-is-noth ing-to-celebrate-188 045531.html[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Criminal SHA Bosses to be held responsible for deaths of relatives - A date which will live in infamy.. 11 Feb 2011, SHA defeated a High Court legal challenge designed to stop Southampton's Fluoridation. - FAMILIES CALL FOR BOSSES TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATHS OF RELATIVES. JONATHAN BROWN WEDNESDAY 06 FEBRUARY 2013. NHS's darkest day: Five more hospitals under investigation for neglect as report blames 'failings at every level' for 1,200 deaths at Stafford Hospital. The families of patients who died after receiving substandard care at Stafford Hospital have demanded that senior managers – including the current head of the NHS – be held responsible for the deaths of their loved ones. Families called for the resignation of Sir David Nicholson, NHS chief executive, who was head of Shropshire and Staffordshire Strategic Health Authority which was responsible for Mid Staffs NHS Trust at the time of the scandal. Some also demanded the head of Peter Carter, general secretary of the Royal College of Nursing, after the report’s damning verdict on nursing standards. “The point about criminal prosecution, which I think most people feel, is that perhaps more than a thousand people died because of poor care. No one has been brought to book and that feels wrong,” he told Sky News. Sir David Nicholson. Former chief executive of West Midlands Strategic Health Authority and the Shropshire and Staffordshire Strategic Health Authority. He was responsible for supervising Mid Staffs NHS Trust from 2005 to 2006. Yesterday he repeated his apology for the poor care experienced by patients, adding: “But apologies are not enough – we need action, we need to make things happen.” Cynthia Bower Former chief executive of West Midlands Strategic Health Authority. The report concluded that Ms Bower’s priorities were directed at finance and restructuring rather than care. “The protection of patients does not figure expressly at all in her priorities, although she would doubtless argue that such a concept underlay all of them,” it found. Martin Yeates Former chief executive of Mid Staffordshire NHS Trust. Salary: £180,000. The report said he failed to appreciate the seriousness of the Trust’s problems and the significance of the mortality figures. "HE WAS THAT MOST DANGEROUS OF LEADERS: ONE WHO WAS PERSUASIVE BUT INEFFECTIVE," IT SAID. RECEIVED £400,000 PAY-OFF AND £1M PENSION POT. - http://tinyurl.com/b 4y69cx Dan Soton
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11:04am Thu 7 Feb 13

ColCGE says...

There can be few people in Southampton who hold much doubt that the actions of their local SHA (ref Fluoride in public water systems) are enacted with little regard for any sound medical or financial logic, and also without any regard at all for public opinion or wider healthcare.
However for the wider audience, it may be useful to note the type of individuals that have been allowed to populate another well known pro-fluoride SHA in the Birmingham area.

After yesterdays report on the Mid Staffordshire NHS by Robert Francis QC – wherein the local SHA, and a whole host of other unfit for purpose outfits, were publicly shamed for their inaction's, which led to many, many deaths and much distress for the patients and relatives so mistreated in that hospital.

There should be little doubt in anyone’s mind that they ALL represent as fine an example of a body of ‘YES men’ as could be hoped to be assembled anywhere.
There can be few people in Southampton who hold much doubt that the actions of their local SHA (ref Fluoride in public water systems) are enacted with little regard for any sound medical or financial logic, and also without any regard at all for public opinion or wider healthcare. However for the wider audience, it may be useful to note the type of individuals that have been allowed to populate another well known pro-fluoride SHA in the Birmingham area. After yesterdays report on the Mid Staffordshire NHS by Robert Francis QC – wherein the local SHA, and a whole host of other unfit for purpose outfits, were publicly shamed for their inaction's, which led to many, many deaths and much distress for the patients and relatives so mistreated in that hospital. There should be little doubt in anyone’s mind that they ALL represent as fine an example of a body of ‘YES men’ as could be hoped to be assembled anywhere. ColCGE
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11:23pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents


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AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009.

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Cairns council votes to dump fluoride..

Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM.

The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents.

But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue.

"If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday.

"The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent."

Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said.

Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month.

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http://www.brisbanet






imes.com.au/queensla






nd/cairns-council-vo






tes-to-dump-fluoride






-20130130-2dk1a.html
Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.

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THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE.

In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average.

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www.apho.org.uk/reso





urce/view.aspx?RID=9





5375
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Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels

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http://tinyurl.com/b





8m9wh8
Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than Southampton's.


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Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.



Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than SHA's Average.


Southampton's Adult Obesity is Not Significantly different from SHA's Average.


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www.apho.org.uk/reso




urce/view.aspx?RID=9




5375

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Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l
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http://tinyurl.com/b




8m9wh8

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TAP (fluoridated) WATER CAN MAKE YOU FAT, SAY EXPERTS

Jul 11 2004.

By Caroline Wheeler, Sunday Mercury.

Medical experts claim that West Midlands tap water can make people FAT and could be fuelling rising obesity levels.

For the past 40 years, fluoride has been pumped into the region's tap water to help keep teeth healthy.

But now a top doctor claims that the toxin can cause worrying health side-effects including hypothyroidism, a medical dis-order affecting the thyroid gland which controls weight gain.

And he believes that children may be particularly susceptible to obesity if their mums drank fluoridated water while pregnant.

LAST YEAR, THE WEST MIDLANDS TOPPED THE UK 'FAT LIST' WITH A SHOCKING 22.5 PER CENT OF ITS POPULATION CLASSED CLINICALLY OBESE.

Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield said: "There is no doubt that fluoride is enzyme disruptive and one thing it affects is thyroid hormones.

"As a result of this disruption, people can finish up with partial under-activity of the thyroid gland.

"Thyroid problems are becoming more common, particularly in Birmingham, and one of the reasons is because of fluoride in the water."

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http://tinyurl.com/a




jtcvgm
Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than Southampton/England


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Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators.



Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than the England Average.


Southampton, the numbers over-65s with hip fractures are not significantly different from the England average.

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www.apho.org.uk/reso



urce/view.aspx?RID=9



5375

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Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l

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http://tinyurl.com/b



8m9wh8

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THE CRIPPLING (FLUORIDE )TOXIN YOU KNOWINGLY CONSUME EVERY DAY...

August 10, 2011

The fact that fluoride can damage your bones, often quite seriously, is no longer in dispute. Just ask the millions of people throughout the world who currently suffer from skeletal fluorosis—a crippling bone disease caused by too much fluoride and marked by irregular bone growth and calcification of the joints.

Of course, it takes a high dose of fluoride to cause crippling fluorosis.

BUT FLUORIDE ACCUMULATES OVER TIME, SO THE SEVERITY OF SKELETAL FLUOROSIS EXISTS ALONG A CONTINUUM, WITH THE EARLIER STAGES PRODUCED BY LOWER DOSES AND MARKED BY MORE SUBTLE SYMPTOMS, SUCH AS JOINT PAIN AND STIFFNESS.

In 2006, skeletal fluorosis was identified by the US National Research Council (NRC) as an adverse effect that needs to be considered by the EPA when lowering the maximum safe level of fluoride in water. While case studies in recent years have documented advanced skeletal fluorosis in the US among high-tea drinkers, the EPA has done no serious analysis of the extent to which the disease may be occurring throughout the country.

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http://articles.merc



ola.com/sites/articl



es/archive/2011/08/1



0/fluoride-can-damag



e-your-bones.aspx
Fluoridation X-Files.. 60% of all U.S. Children have Dental Fluorosis.. 3% to 4% expected in Southampton?



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SHA's OWN RESEARCH REVIEW.

The Medical Research Council, when reviewing the York report and taking account of other studies, concluded that a more realistic figure for fluorosis in fluoridated areas within the UK might be between 3% and 4%.

http://tinyurl.com/b


6ewake

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FLUORIDATION IS NOTHING TO CELEBRATE.

NEW YORK, Jan. 23, 2013.

Fluoride overexposure is a new and GROWING EPIDEMIC AFFLICTING UP TO 60% OF U.S. ADOLESCENTS WITH DENTAL FLUOROSIS (white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth). Early fluoridationists expected that no more than 10% of children would develop mild fluorosis. CDC reports that Black and Mexican-American children suffer significantly higher rates of the more severe forms of dental fluorosis.

Even fluoride varnish, containing 26,600 ppm fluoride, was never safety-tested but is applied to teeth of babies as young as 6-months-old which "leads to a significant increase in urine fluoride."


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http://www.prnewswir


e.com/news-releases/


fluoridation-is-noth


ing-to-celebrate-188


045531.html
Fluoridation X-Files.. Criminal SHA Bosses to be held responsible for deaths of relatives


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A date which will live in infamy.. 11 Feb 2011, SHA defeated a High Court legal challenge designed to stop Southampton's Fluoridation.


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FAMILIES CALL FOR BOSSES TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATHS OF RELATIVES.

JONATHAN BROWN WEDNESDAY 06 FEBRUARY 2013.

NHS's darkest day: Five more hospitals under investigation for neglect as report blames 'failings at every level' for 1,200 deaths at Stafford Hospital.

The families of patients who died after receiving substandard care at Stafford Hospital have demanded that senior managers – including the current head of the NHS – be held responsible for the deaths of their loved ones.

Families called for the resignation of Sir David Nicholson, NHS chief executive, who was head of Shropshire and Staffordshire Strategic Health Authority which was responsible for Mid Staffs NHS Trust at the time of the scandal. Some also demanded the head of Peter Carter, general secretary of the Royal College of Nursing, after the report’s damning verdict on nursing standards.

“The point about criminal prosecution, which I think most people feel, is that perhaps more than a thousand people died because of poor care. No one has been brought to book and that feels wrong,” he told Sky News.

Sir David Nicholson.

Former chief executive of West Midlands Strategic Health Authority and the Shropshire and Staffordshire Strategic Health Authority. He was responsible for supervising Mid Staffs NHS Trust from 2005 to 2006. Yesterday he repeated his apology for the poor care experienced by patients, adding: “But apologies are not enough – we need action, we need to make things happen.”

Cynthia Bower Former chief executive of West Midlands Strategic Health Authority.

The report concluded that Ms Bower’s priorities were directed at finance and restructuring rather than care. “The protection of patients does not figure expressly at all in her priorities, although she would doubtless argue that such a concept underlay all of them,” it found.

Martin Yeates Former chief executive of Mid Staffordshire NHS Trust.

Salary: £180,000.

The report said he failed to appreciate the seriousness of the Trust’s problems and the significance of the mortality figures. "HE WAS THAT MOST DANGEROUS OF LEADERS: ONE WHO WAS PERSUASIVE BUT INEFFECTIVE," IT SAID. RECEIVED £400,000 PAY-OFF AND £1M PENSION POT.

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http://tinyurl.com/b

4y69cx
Fluoridation X-Files.. SHAs Ignore Warnings & Manipulate Statistics


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ColCGE.. the truth may never see the light of day until all SHAs are held legally culpable for their actions.

going by the most recent news reports this maybe only the tip of a pyramid of healthcare negligence.

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I WARNED STAFFORD BOSSES OF HIGH DEATH RATES, CLAIMS PROFESSOR

By Rosa Silverman8:28AM GMT 18 Jan.

The hospital became engulfed in a scandal after an investigation uncovered up to 1,200 "excess" deaths and a catalogue of failings in patient care between 2005 and 2008.
On a number of occasions from July 2007 onwards, the chief executive of the Mid Staffs Health Care Trust, to which the hospital belonged, had been told in writing that the number of deaths at the hospital appeared high, it was claimed.

THE WARNINGS WERE GIVEN BY PROF SIR BRIAN JARMAN, AN INTERNATIONAL AUTHORITY ON HOSPITAL PERFORMANCE, WHO HAD DEVISED A DEATH RATE ALERT SYSTEM.

His real–time mortality alert system, warning hospitals if death rates were too high, showed that Mid Staffs had a rate above the national average. In 2006, its rate was 27 per cent above the average.

DATA SHOW THAT OTHERS WOULD ALSO HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE DEATH RATES, AS THE ALERT SYSTEM WAS ACCESSED BY STAFF AT THE TRUST AND IN THE WEST MIDLANDS STRATEGIC HEALTH AUTHORITY REGION AS MANY AS 8,000 TIMES BETWEEN 2005 AND 2009.

The trust was also accused of changing the way it recorded or coded patient deaths, making the figures appear better than they were.

In 2007, it logged less than one per cent of patients admitted to hospital under the NHS palliative care code, which denotes that they would be expected to die. After a change in coding, the following year nearly 35 per cent of patients were reportedly palliative. The trust has denied that the coding was inaccurate.

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http://tinyurl.com/a
jor65w
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Cairns Council Votes To Dump Fluoride, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents - AFAIK: Australia / Cairns has been Fluoridated since 2009. - Cairns council votes to dump fluoride.. Date.January 30, 2013 - 12:14PM. The Cairns City Council will remove fluoride from its water supply, saying it amounts to the "involuntary medication" of residents. But the council says it won't be doing anything to determine if there's broad community support for fluoridation to continue. "If people want to have access to fluoride, they need to take that up with their dentists," a council spokeswoman said on Wednesday. "The decision has been made ... it shouldn't be forced on people without consent." Fluoridation currently cost the council about $300,000 in chemicals, staffing, testing, electricity and infrastructure, he said. Fluoride will stop being added to the Cairns water supply from the middle of next month. - http://www.brisbanet imes.com.au/queensla nd/cairns-council-vo tes-to-dump-fluoride -20130130-2dk1a.html[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. - THE TEETH OF SOUTHAMPTON'S 5 YEAR OLD'S ARE GENERALLY BETTER THAN THE ENGLAND AVERAGE. In fact tooth decay in our close neighbors 5 year old's, MILTON KEYNES, Reading & Slough are significantly worse than the England average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Here's the killer, MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated... 1.0 to 1.5 mg/f which is above recommended fluoridation levels - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than Southampton's. - Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES Adult Obesity is Significantly Worse than SHA's Average. Southampton's Adult Obesity is Not Significantly different from SHA's Average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8 - TAP (fluoridated) WATER CAN MAKE YOU FAT, SAY EXPERTS Jul 11 2004. By Caroline Wheeler, Sunday Mercury. Medical experts claim that West Midlands tap water can make people FAT and could be fuelling rising obesity levels. For the past 40 years, fluoride has been pumped into the region's tap water to help keep teeth healthy. But now a top doctor claims that the toxin can cause worrying health side-effects including hypothyroidism, a medical dis-order affecting the thyroid gland which controls weight gain. And he believes that children may be particularly susceptible to obesity if their mums drank fluoridated water while pregnant. LAST YEAR, THE WEST MIDLANDS TOPPED THE UK 'FAT LIST' WITH A SHOCKING 22.5 PER CENT OF ITS POPULATION CLASSED CLINICALLY OBESE. Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield said: "There is no doubt that fluoride is enzyme disruptive and one thing it affects is thyroid hormones. "As a result of this disruption, people can finish up with partial under-activity of the thyroid gland. "Thyroid problems are becoming more common, particularly in Birmingham, and one of the reasons is because of fluoride in the water." - http://tinyurl.com/a jtcvgm[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than Southampton/England - Going by SHA's own 2010 Indicators. Naturally Fluoridated MILTON KEYNES has Significantly More Hip fractures in the over-65s than the England Average. Southampton, the numbers over-65s with hip fractures are not significantly different from the England average. - www.apho.org.uk/reso urce/view.aspx?RID=9 5375 - Please note MILTON KEYNES is naturally fluoridated at 1.0 mg/l to 1.5 mg/l - http://tinyurl.com/b 8m9wh8 - THE CRIPPLING (FLUORIDE )TOXIN YOU KNOWINGLY CONSUME EVERY DAY... August 10, 2011 The fact that fluoride can damage your bones, often quite seriously, is no longer in dispute. Just ask the millions of people throughout the world who currently suffer from skeletal fluorosis—a crippling bone disease caused by too much fluoride and marked by irregular bone growth and calcification of the joints. Of course, it takes a high dose of fluoride to cause crippling fluorosis. BUT FLUORIDE ACCUMULATES OVER TIME, SO THE SEVERITY OF SKELETAL FLUOROSIS EXISTS ALONG A CONTINUUM, WITH THE EARLIER STAGES PRODUCED BY LOWER DOSES AND MARKED BY MORE SUBTLE SYMPTOMS, SUCH AS JOINT PAIN AND STIFFNESS. In 2006, skeletal fluorosis was identified by the US National Research Council (NRC) as an adverse effect that needs to be considered by the EPA when lowering the maximum safe level of fluoride in water. While case studies in recent years have documented advanced skeletal fluorosis in the US among high-tea drinkers, the EPA has done no serious analysis of the extent to which the disease may be occurring throughout the country. - http://articles.merc ola.com/sites/articl es/archive/2011/08/1 0/fluoride-can-damag e-your-bones.aspx[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. 60% of all U.S. Children have Dental Fluorosis.. 3% to 4% expected in Southampton? - SHA's OWN RESEARCH REVIEW. The Medical Research Council, when reviewing the York report and taking account of other studies, concluded that a more realistic figure for fluorosis in fluoridated areas within the UK might be between 3% and 4%. http://tinyurl.com/b 6ewake - FLUORIDATION IS NOTHING TO CELEBRATE. NEW YORK, Jan. 23, 2013. Fluoride overexposure is a new and GROWING EPIDEMIC AFFLICTING UP TO 60% OF U.S. ADOLESCENTS WITH DENTAL FLUOROSIS (white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth). Early fluoridationists expected that no more than 10% of children would develop mild fluorosis. CDC reports that Black and Mexican-American children suffer significantly higher rates of the more severe forms of dental fluorosis. Even fluoride varnish, containing 26,600 ppm fluoride, was never safety-tested but is applied to teeth of babies as young as 6-months-old which "leads to a significant increase in urine fluoride." - http://www.prnewswir e.com/news-releases/ fluoridation-is-noth ing-to-celebrate-188 045531.html[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. Criminal SHA Bosses to be held responsible for deaths of relatives - A date which will live in infamy.. 11 Feb 2011, SHA defeated a High Court legal challenge designed to stop Southampton's Fluoridation. - FAMILIES CALL FOR BOSSES TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATHS OF RELATIVES. JONATHAN BROWN WEDNESDAY 06 FEBRUARY 2013. NHS's darkest day: Five more hospitals under investigation for neglect as report blames 'failings at every level' for 1,200 deaths at Stafford Hospital. The families of patients who died after receiving substandard care at Stafford Hospital have demanded that senior managers – including the current head of the NHS – be held responsible for the deaths of their loved ones. Families called for the resignation of Sir David Nicholson, NHS chief executive, who was head of Shropshire and Staffordshire Strategic Health Authority which was responsible for Mid Staffs NHS Trust at the time of the scandal. Some also demanded the head of Peter Carter, general secretary of the Royal College of Nursing, after the report’s damning verdict on nursing standards. “The point about criminal prosecution, which I think most people feel, is that perhaps more than a thousand people died because of poor care. No one has been brought to book and that feels wrong,” he told Sky News. Sir David Nicholson. Former chief executive of West Midlands Strategic Health Authority and the Shropshire and Staffordshire Strategic Health Authority. He was responsible for supervising Mid Staffs NHS Trust from 2005 to 2006. Yesterday he repeated his apology for the poor care experienced by patients, adding: “But apologies are not enough – we need action, we need to make things happen.” Cynthia Bower Former chief executive of West Midlands Strategic Health Authority. The report concluded that Ms Bower’s priorities were directed at finance and restructuring rather than care. “The protection of patients does not figure expressly at all in her priorities, although she would doubtless argue that such a concept underlay all of them,” it found. Martin Yeates Former chief executive of Mid Staffordshire NHS Trust. Salary: £180,000. The report said he failed to appreciate the seriousness of the Trust’s problems and the significance of the mortality figures. "HE WAS THAT MOST DANGEROUS OF LEADERS: ONE WHO WAS PERSUASIVE BUT INEFFECTIVE," IT SAID. RECEIVED £400,000 PAY-OFF AND £1M PENSION POT. - http://tinyurl.com/b 4y69cx[/p][/quote]Fluoridation X-Files.. SHAs Ignore Warnings & Manipulate Statistics - ColCGE.. the truth may never see the light of day until all SHAs are held legally culpable for their actions. going by the most recent news reports this maybe only the tip of a pyramid of healthcare negligence. - I WARNED STAFFORD BOSSES OF HIGH DEATH RATES, CLAIMS PROFESSOR By Rosa Silverman8:28AM GMT 18 Jan. The hospital became engulfed in a scandal after an investigation uncovered up to 1,200 "excess" deaths and a catalogue of failings in patient care between 2005 and 2008. On a number of occasions from July 2007 onwards, the chief executive of the Mid Staffs Health Care Trust, to which the hospital belonged, had been told in writing that the number of deaths at the hospital appeared high, it was claimed. THE WARNINGS WERE GIVEN BY PROF SIR BRIAN JARMAN, AN INTERNATIONAL AUTHORITY ON HOSPITAL PERFORMANCE, WHO HAD DEVISED A DEATH RATE ALERT SYSTEM. His real–time mortality alert system, warning hospitals if death rates were too high, showed that Mid Staffs had a rate above the national average. In 2006, its rate was 27 per cent above the average. DATA SHOW THAT OTHERS WOULD ALSO HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE DEATH RATES, AS THE ALERT SYSTEM WAS ACCESSED BY STAFF AT THE TRUST AND IN THE WEST MIDLANDS STRATEGIC HEALTH AUTHORITY REGION AS MANY AS 8,000 TIMES BETWEEN 2005 AND 2009. The trust was also accused of changing the way it recorded or coded patient deaths, making the figures appear better than they were. In 2007, it logged less than one per cent of patients admitted to hospital under the NHS palliative care code, which denotes that they would be expected to die. After a change in coding, the following year nearly 35 per cent of patients were reportedly palliative. The trust has denied that the coding was inaccurate. - http://tinyurl.com/a jor65w Dan Soton
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