Hampshire fire service could set up commercial arm

Daily Echo: Fire service could set up commercial arm Fire service could set up commercial arm

HAMPSHIRE fire service could sell its services and expertise to raise cash.

Hampshire Fire and Rescue Authority wants to set up a limited company providing a commercial service to generate funds and offset Government cuts.

Projections are that the scheme could bring in as much as £1.275m a year by its third year, which would be reinvested in core services.

The fire authority said this would not affect the service’s obligations to the public.

The new company would offer services including training, specialist advice and advice on risk analysis to businesses.

The authority is not allowed to provide any of its core services like firefighting and responses to road accidents, fire safety and chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear emergencies on a trading basis.

Services that are currently free will remain free.

The issue will be discussed at today’s finance committee before a final decision by the full authority in February.

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3:38pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Vonnie says...

Not sure what to make of this. On the surface it sounds like a good idea, but as has happened so often in the past with other services, it may just be the beginning of the thin end of the wedge of privatisation.
Nothing wrong with that in theory, but what and who will form the manpower of this new private Fire Service arm? Present day fireman with spread-over duties? Or a new workforce? If it is the second, I have no axe to grind.
However, if it is the first, then common and business sense says that very soon after inaugerisation, profitability and profit making use of personnel will take precedence over loss making core fire fighting services.
I, for one, do not want to see the return of the days where fire fighting priority was given to those who had paid for it and had an identifying Sun or similar plaque nailed to their property.
Exaggeration? Scaremongering? No. Prioritization is part of running a private business. Chaos usually ensues when a mixed economy is attempted. The best example of that in modern times are the peripheral public services that the National Health Service used to provide, and the deterioration in its core service since they were hived off.
Not sure what to make of this. On the surface it sounds like a good idea, but as has happened so often in the past with other services, it may just be the beginning of the thin end of the wedge of privatisation. Nothing wrong with that in theory, but what and who will form the manpower of this new private Fire Service arm? Present day fireman with spread-over duties? Or a new workforce? If it is the second, I have no axe to grind. However, if it is the first, then common and business sense says that very soon after inaugerisation, profitability and profit making use of personnel will take precedence over loss making core fire fighting services. I, for one, do not want to see the return of the days where fire fighting priority was given to those who had paid for it and had an identifying Sun or similar plaque nailed to their property. Exaggeration? Scaremongering? No. Prioritization is part of running a private business. Chaos usually ensues when a mixed economy is attempted. The best example of that in modern times are the peripheral public services that the National Health Service used to provide, and the deterioration in its core service since they were hived off. Vonnie

3:41pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Vonnie says...

Sorry, should have said "inauguration"
Sorry, should have said "inauguration" Vonnie

4:12pm Fri 18 Jan 13

huckit P says...

HFRS should stick to their core business but look to their own business model to see how they can reduce costs. For a start the fire station at Eastleigh could be moved to premises within their HQ which is located a few hundred yards down the road. Instead of allowing wasted time during night shifts (11pm-7am is beddybyes time) the shifts need to be adjusted so that all working time is productive. (I'd really like to be paid for 8 hours sleep.) And there are probably more issues that I haven't mentioned.
HFRS should stick to their core business but look to their own business model to see how they can reduce costs. For a start the fire station at Eastleigh could be moved to premises within their HQ which is located a few hundred yards down the road. Instead of allowing wasted time during night shifts (11pm-7am is beddybyes time) the shifts need to be adjusted so that all working time is productive. (I'd really like to be paid for 8 hours sleep.) And there are probably more issues that I haven't mentioned. huckit P

5:14pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Lone Ranger. says...

huckit P wrote:
HFRS should stick to their core business but look to their own business model to see how they can reduce costs. For a start the fire station at Eastleigh could be moved to premises within their HQ which is located a few hundred yards down the road. Instead of allowing wasted time during night shifts (11pm-7am is beddybyes time) the shifts need to be adjusted so that all working time is productive. (I'd really like to be paid for 8 hours sleep.) And there are probably more issues that I haven't mentioned.
I didnt realise that all they do on nights is sleep !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]huckit P[/bold] wrote: HFRS should stick to their core business but look to their own business model to see how they can reduce costs. For a start the fire station at Eastleigh could be moved to premises within their HQ which is located a few hundred yards down the road. Instead of allowing wasted time during night shifts (11pm-7am is beddybyes time) the shifts need to be adjusted so that all working time is productive. (I'd really like to be paid for 8 hours sleep.) And there are probably more issues that I haven't mentioned.[/p][/quote]I didnt realise that all they do on nights is sleep !!!!! Lone Ranger.

10:05am Sat 19 Jan 13

huckit P says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
huckit P wrote:
HFRS should stick to their core business but look to their own business model to see how they can reduce costs. For a start the fire station at Eastleigh could be moved to premises within their HQ which is located a few hundred yards down the road. Instead of allowing wasted time during night shifts (11pm-7am is beddybyes time) the shifts need to be adjusted so that all working time is productive. (I'd really like to be paid for 8 hours sleep.) And there are probably more issues that I haven't mentioned.
I didnt realise that all they do on nights is sleep !!!!!
Providing there are no emergencies all fire fighters (nationally) get the chance for some shuteye between 11pm and 7am. This is one of the biggest issues the FBU is fighting because local authorities want the system changed but they are fighting against it. Mainly because going onto the normal 3x8hr -shift system would mess up the union members part time jobs. To achieve their hours fire fighters work 2 days of 9 hours and 2 nights of 15 hours followed by 4 days off. With annual leave, public holidays, old mans leave and other days off I think it means they actually work less days than they work, which then means that on stations that operate with whole time (full time) and retained (part-time) staff the retained fire fighters often attend more incidents than their full time colleagues. And don't forget the retirement age is 55 for operational staff and 60 for ranks (or grades) in the higher echelons. It's a good life if you can get it.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]huckit P[/bold] wrote: HFRS should stick to their core business but look to their own business model to see how they can reduce costs. For a start the fire station at Eastleigh could be moved to premises within their HQ which is located a few hundred yards down the road. Instead of allowing wasted time during night shifts (11pm-7am is beddybyes time) the shifts need to be adjusted so that all working time is productive. (I'd really like to be paid for 8 hours sleep.) And there are probably more issues that I haven't mentioned.[/p][/quote]I didnt realise that all they do on nights is sleep !!!!![/p][/quote]Providing there are no emergencies all fire fighters (nationally) get the chance for some shuteye between 11pm and 7am. This is one of the biggest issues the FBU is fighting because local authorities want the system changed but they are fighting against it. Mainly because going onto the normal 3x8hr -shift system would mess up the union members part time jobs. To achieve their hours fire fighters work 2 days of 9 hours and 2 nights of 15 hours followed by 4 days off. With annual leave, public holidays, old mans leave and other days off I think it means they actually work less days than they work, which then means that on stations that operate with whole time (full time) and retained (part-time) staff the retained fire fighters often attend more incidents than their full time colleagues. And don't forget the retirement age is 55 for operational staff and 60 for ranks (or grades) in the higher echelons. It's a good life if you can get it. huckit P

11:37am Sat 19 Jan 13

working man says...

huckit P your information is wrong. I am a serving firefighter and we get a chance to sleep but only 6 hours but we hardly ever get that as we are called out many times which is ok for us You seem to me to have a hatred of firefighters which is strange as i would risk my life to save you if you needed me to. And can i remind you that 2 of my colleagues died while doing their job. Retirement age is now 60 and i pay a fortune for a pension which is changing for the worst all the time. if you think the job is so easy then why don't you put in your application.
huckit P your information is wrong. I am a serving firefighter and we get a chance to sleep but only 6 hours but we hardly ever get that as we are called out many times which is ok for us You seem to me to have a hatred of firefighters which is strange as i would risk my life to save you if you needed me to. And can i remind you that 2 of my colleagues died while doing their job. Retirement age is now 60 and i pay a fortune for a pension which is changing for the worst all the time. if you think the job is so easy then why don't you put in your application. working man

10:24pm Mon 21 Jan 13

huckit P says...

working man wrote:
huckit P your information is wrong. I am a serving firefighter and we get a chance to sleep but only 6 hours but we hardly ever get that as we are called out many times which is ok for us You seem to me to have a hatred of firefighters which is strange as i would risk my life to save you if you needed me to. And can i remind you that 2 of my colleagues died while doing their job. Retirement age is now 60 and i pay a fortune for a pension which is changing for the worst all the time. if you think the job is so easy then why don't you put in your application.
Well, you've certainly got your knickers in a knot. Having served longer than you I am in a position to know what the job entails. (And I am absolutely certain you cannot have served longer than me, and I doubt you will ever achieve the rank I managed to achieve.)
You stoop very low indeed to mention the relatively recent fatalities - emotional blackmail is not a nice thing, especially coming from someone who should know better.
You do not pay a fortune for your pension - you simply contribute an amount which is topped up by your employers. This gives you a pension that most people cannot even dream of, despite its recent "reduction". End of service promotions are commonplace to further enhance the pension payments. If you paid into a private pension scheme you would be paying more of your salary to achieve a lot less. Be thankful for the lot you have, it is far better than most honest hard workers. And as for the chance to sleep 8 hours providing there are no calls. You must be on your own if you only get 6. Called out many times? Hmm!
[quote][p][bold]working man[/bold] wrote: huckit P your information is wrong. I am a serving firefighter and we get a chance to sleep but only 6 hours but we hardly ever get that as we are called out many times which is ok for us You seem to me to have a hatred of firefighters which is strange as i would risk my life to save you if you needed me to. And can i remind you that 2 of my colleagues died while doing their job. Retirement age is now 60 and i pay a fortune for a pension which is changing for the worst all the time. if you think the job is so easy then why don't you put in your application.[/p][/quote]Well, you've certainly got your knickers in a knot. Having served longer than you I am in a position to know what the job entails. (And I am absolutely certain you cannot have served longer than me, and I doubt you will ever achieve the rank I managed to achieve.) You stoop very low indeed to mention the relatively recent fatalities - emotional blackmail is not a nice thing, especially coming from someone who should know better. You do not pay a fortune for your pension - you simply contribute an amount which is topped up by your employers. This gives you a pension that most people cannot even dream of, despite its recent "reduction". End of service promotions are commonplace to further enhance the pension payments. If you paid into a private pension scheme you would be paying more of your salary to achieve a lot less. Be thankful for the lot you have, it is far better than most honest hard workers. And as for the chance to sleep 8 hours providing there are no calls. You must be on your own if you only get 6. Called out many times? Hmm! huckit P

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