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More snow on the way - live updates
10:28am Saturday 19th January 2013 in News
By Jon Reeve, Education Reporter
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Latest
- Motorists warned to take care in icy conditions
- Met Office predicting more snow will fall
- Major disruption to sporting and entertainment events
4:01pm
Didn't she d'oh well? (Does that work? I'm not entirely sure.) Either way, Sharon Toms has sent in this impressively "life-like" picture of her snow creation, which she has named "Snowmer Simpson" (which definitely does work, well done Sharon).
Continuing a theme that I'm blaming Southy for starting in the comments, I for one am just glad no one has thought to try to colour him yellow...
3:43pm
For anyone thinking of venturing out into the cold, it is worth remembering that the Met Office has issued a yellow warning of ice. To be honest, it sounds plain wrong, but there is a serious message behind it all that things are pretty slippery out there, so do be careful.
Here's what the forecasters have to say: "Although some further slight snowfalls are likely, with 1 to 2 cm of fresh snow in a few places, the focus switches to ice, with near or sub-zero temperatures persisting quite widely.
"This is particularly the case over existing snow cover, where some very low night-time temperatures are possible, should skies clear.
"The public should be aware of the risk of localised difficult travel conditions due either to existing snow cover, or to icy surfaces."
3:36pm
3:19pm Sat 19 Jan 13
downfader says
On the plus point - love the photos on here. I've been tweeting my own for the past 2 days.
Don't just tweet them, send them to us! Email them to newsdesk@dailyecho.co.uk and we'll try to add them here. Either that, or let us know your Twitter handle so we can import them straight from there.
But if, like downfader, you're enjoying the snowy photos, don't forget there are literally hundreds more in our gallery, which is just a simple click away.
3:27pm
Here's a devilishly good bit of improvisation with the snow (do you see what I did there?). The Daily Echo's health reporter Melanie Adams has sent in a picture of a snow demon that has put in an appearance on Newcombe Road in the Polygon.
3:15pm
Here's some "Champagne" that doesn't need to be put on ice. There's a fizz of excitement in the office about Pete Smith and Aunty Angie's rather unusual snow sculpture.
2:57pm
There's always one, isn't there? After having pictures of snowgirls/women lounging around in their underwear and swimwear, it was only a matter of time before a bloke felt the need to put on a mankini. And here he is. The picture was sent to us by Richard Bennett, but it's not entirely clear if that's him in the photo or not (what could he possibly have to hide?).
2:31pm
Keeping with the theme of balancing things up in the gender stakes, here's another snowgirl (or should that be snowwoman?). This one, sent to us by Angi Pidgley, certainly looks as though she's enjoying herself, even if she's dressed for different weather altogether.
1:06pm
Back to the fun stuff. This picture is from yesterday, but was sent to us by Peter Wyatt (I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying he's better known as Southy, for those of you who read the comments sections on this site) of people enjoying the snow in Redbridge.
12:59pm
SERIOUS UPDATE ALERT! We've had some information on the state of play regarding libraries in Southampton today, which is as follows:
- Central library is open as usual but the RSPB Bird Feeder workshop is cancelled.
- Bitterne library is open as usual.
- Cobbett Road library is open as usual.
- Shirley library is open 9.30am-3pm.
- Woolston library is open 10am-4pm.
- All other libraries are closed.
The council has said there will be no charges for items due back yesterday or today, and all items due back on those days will now be due back a week later, so enjoy your extra week's reading.
12:51pm
Back to the snowmen, and Eshy Chowdhury has sent in this shot of a seven-footer in Southampton. It's good, but doesn't beat the ones we had yesterday claiming to be eight feet tall.
Either way, we've had nothing yet that claims to be as tall as Robert Wadlow as yet. The world's tallest ever man measured an incredible 8ft 11in when he died aged just 22. The challenge has been set...
12:43pm
Health bosses at Southern Health NHS Foundation Trust have praised their staff for their "hard work and determination", which ensured health and social care services across Hampshire ran smoothly yesterday with minimal disruption to patients.
The trust said resilience plans were put in place across the trust as soon as the bad weather was predicted, and they were "successfully implemented throughout the day".
All staff called for extra support where needed and any small disruptions to services were mainly due to hazardous travel conditions and restricted access to some community sites.
Although some outpatient appointments had to be cancelled, they have been rescheduled and anyone who went to a hospital or clinic was seen.
Nurses were asked to work from their local GP surgery or a local site if they could not get to work, but only if it was safe to travel. Many staff pooled together and shared lifts to ensure that services could remain running, while some nurses even walked to their appointments if they couldn’t travel by car.
Head of Nursing & Quality, Paula Hull, said: "All staff really went that extra mile to make sure that patients received the care they needed."
11:55am
Another picture that is definitely NOT of a snowman. I'm not sure it necessarily represents equal opportunities in all their glory (although with only her underwear on, she's not far off), but keeping a balance of some sorts, Rebecca Way has provided us with this photo of a snowgirl.
11:49am
She's definitely no snow man, but Jimmy Ward has sent us this picture of his daughter creating a snow angel.
11:45am
Unsurprisingly, the local football scene has been virtually completely decimated by the snow.
All Southampton Football League games due to take place this afternoon have been cancelled, with the possible exception of matches scheduled for Wide Lane.
11:30am
Serious stuff now. We've had an update from Southampton City Council, who advise that with temperatures even lower than expected overnight, all the "Priority One" routes were gritted at 3am, before the salting army moved on to cover category two roads at 7am.
Where the Priority Two routes proved too difficult for the gritters, especially in the east of the city, the council sent in manual gritting crews to get the job done.
A council spokesman said all main routes in the city have been flowing freely all morning. CCTV cameras are showing that the city centre is very quiet with the authority's car parks more than 50 per cent below normal usage
But far from resting on their laurels, the gritting crews are still on 12-hour back-to-back shifts, and that situation will be reviewed again at lunchtime.
11:24am
Olé! Spain isn't exactly known for its harsh winters, but this matador is clearly enjoying himself in the cold. "Miguel the snow matador" has been sent in to us by Molly, Andy and Mandy Mcintosh from Woolston.
Whatever next, a snow camel?
11:21am
Runners are a hardy lot, aren't they? The organisers of tomorrow's Stubbington 10k run have vowed the event will go ahead as planned.
They are, however, warning competitors and supporters to allow extra time for their journeys, but they are checking the route and are doing all they can to clear any affected roads of snow and ice.
Parking is available at Crofton School, which would appear to be the best bet for a first port of call.
If there are any changes to this, we will of course let you know.
11:17am
Impressive it may be, but I'm not sure how many takers they'll get for this rather temporary des res. Sarah Parsons has sent in this picture of a rather homely-looking igloo created from the snow.
11:08am
Not content with making just one snowman, Adam Natt and Cathy Gardner have gone a bit further and created a whole snow family in the - complete with pet dogs.
Can you do better than that?
11:03am
The forecast is for more snow to fall this afternoon, although it will probably only be only be a light dusting.
There's more on the weather situation here.
10:54am
Here's your first picture of a snowman for today, except it's actually a snowbear.
Steph Warne sent in this snap of her handiwork, created with boyfriend Alex.
10:48am
Winchester City's home game against Cinderford Town at the Denplan City Ground that was due to happen at 3pm today has been postponed because of the weather.
10:36am
Good morning! Unless you're under the age of 14 (or that age at heart), the good news is there's been no more significant snow overnight in Hampshire.
But, the county has woken up still under a white blanket today, and police are warning motorists to take extra care on the roads because of fresh problems with ice.
We'll be here throughout the day to keep you informed of all the latest developments as and when they happen.
But more importantly than that, we'll also bring you all the lovely snowy pictures you've been sending us of how you're making the most of the wintry weather.
If you've got a picture of a beautiful snowy scene where you are, a snowman or any more creative sculptures you've made or seen, send them to newsdesk@dailyecho.co.uk and we'll post them here for all to see.
Comments(67)
jshfire
says...
12:12pm Sat 19 Jan 13
downfader
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12:19pm Sat 19 Jan 13
- spikey shoe covers and good winter boots will stop you slipping. Carbide, tungsten or titanium spiked ones are the best. I've used them over the last 2 days: 20 miles of walking (yes really, was taking photos of the conditions)
http://www.amazon.co
.uk/Ice-Grippers-Sli
p-Snow-Grips/dp/B005
TUCHTS/ref=pd_sxp_gr
id_i_0_1
The above can be found in some Tescos, Oswald Baileys, Blacks and other outdoor outlets.
- if you REALLY have to drive then the AA and several motorists I know recommend Auto Socks or similar. Available online or from some Halfords. Usually about £40-50 depending on wheel dimensions.
They make traction up and downhill MUCH safer and easier as long as you use the AA winter driving advice.
http://www.theaa.com
/motoring_advice/sea
sonal/winter_motorin
g.html
- Also you must by law remove all snow from the windscreen, windows and roof of your motor vehicle.
downfader
says...
12:21pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I heard (as I was watching where I trod at the time rather than the road) something like 10-15 prangs yesterday. People were being silly and flooring it.... you just dont get traction that way.
Warning motorists seems to be a waste of time, owners of powerful rear wheel drive cars took no notice of the warnings from previous days, watched a merc go too fast in the road slush and go sideways, almost into a parked car.
Thats why I hope the AA link I posted above can really help. If the link doesnt work then google: "AA Winter driving
Coping with cold, snow and ice"
Ginger_cyclist
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12:24pm Sat 19 Jan 13
jshfire wrote:I think it should be required that all drivers are made to do skidpan training and to be taught that such conditions require a much lower speed than normal along with smooth control.
Refence local football, "decimated" means one in ten taken out, I suspect it's a lot more than that ! Reference rear wheel drive cars, please put something heavy in your boot, I was nearly taken out yesterday by a "gentleman" in a BMW between JN 8 and Windhover who thought it would be a really good idea to change lanes about 10 feet in front of me without indicating. It was only because I had some grit in my car that the "gentleman" and everyone else managed to get moving again.
Ginger_cyclist
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12:28pm Sat 19 Jan 13
downfader wrote:Indeed, as a cyclist I know how to ride in these conditions, you can carry the principals of it over to a car, you basically want as much contact patch as possible, smooth control and do at most half of the speed limit and no faster.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I heard (as I was watching where I trod at the time rather than the road) something like 10-15 prangs yesterday. People were being silly and flooring it.... you just dont get traction that way.
Warning motorists seems to be a waste of time, owners of powerful rear wheel drive cars took no notice of the warnings from previous days, watched a merc go too fast in the road slush and go sideways, almost into a parked car.
Thats why I hope the AA link I posted above can really help. If the link doesnt work then google: "AA Winter driving
Coping with cold, snow and ice"
Niel
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12:52pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:You rode? Even though the Police advice was not to? Brave with all the numpty cagers, and bus drivers, out there!
downfader wrote:Indeed, as a cyclist I know how to ride in these conditions, you can carry the principals of it over to a car, you basically want as much contact patch as possible, smooth control and do at most half of the speed limit and no faster.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I heard (as I was watching where I trod at the time rather than the road) something like 10-15 prangs yesterday. People were being silly and flooring it.... you just dont get traction that way.
Warning motorists seems to be a waste of time, owners of powerful rear wheel drive cars took no notice of the warnings from previous days, watched a merc go too fast in the road slush and go sideways, almost into a parked car.
Thats why I hope the AA link I posted above can really help. If the link doesnt work then google: "AA Winter driving
Coping with cold, snow and ice"
Ginger_cyclist
says...
2:00pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Niel wrote:Indeed and I don't even have snow/ice tyres yet I'm still able to find more than enough traction on the snow and ice.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:You rode? Even though the Police advice was not to? Brave with all the numpty cagers, and bus drivers, out there!
downfader wrote:Indeed, as a cyclist I know how to ride in these conditions, you can carry the principals of it over to a car, you basically want as much contact patch as possible, smooth control and do at most half of the speed limit and no faster.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I heard (as I was watching where I trod at the time rather than the road) something like 10-15 prangs yesterday. People were being silly and flooring it.... you just dont get traction that way.
Warning motorists seems to be a waste of time, owners of powerful rear wheel drive cars took no notice of the warnings from previous days, watched a merc go too fast in the road slush and go sideways, almost into a parked car.
Thats why I hope the AA link I posted above can really help. If the link doesnt work then google: "AA Winter driving
Coping with cold, snow and ice"
southy
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2:04pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist
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2:09pm Sat 19 Jan 13
southy wrote:You don't say.
please do not I repeat do not lick yellow or brown snow
chunky_lover
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2:49pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:haha that was probably me mucking about!
Warning motorists seems to be a waste of time, owners of powerful rear wheel drive cars took no notice of the warnings from previous days, watched a merc go too fast in the road slush and go sideways, almost into a parked car.
Ginger_cyclist
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3:01pm Sat 19 Jan 13
chunky_lover wrote:If it was you, did you soil your car seat when you went sideways and almost hit a car at the top of Warburton hill?
Ginger_cyclist wrote:haha that was probably me mucking about!
Warning motorists seems to be a waste of time, owners of powerful rear wheel drive cars took no notice of the warnings from previous days, watched a merc go too fast in the road slush and go sideways, almost into a parked car.
chunky_lover
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3:15pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Donald2000
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3:18pm Sat 19 Jan 13
downfader
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3:18pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Saw a car sliding sideways down Romsey Road yesterday. Luckily got some traction and slowed to about 5mph before seating itself on the front bumper of a car heading up the hill.
chunky_lover wrote:If it was you, did you soil your car seat when you went sideways and almost hit a car at the top of Warburton hill?
Ginger_cyclist wrote:haha that was probably me mucking about!
Warning motorists seems to be a waste of time, owners of powerful rear wheel drive cars took no notice of the warnings from previous days, watched a merc go too fast in the road slush and go sideways, almost into a parked car.
All because he was impatient to pass the bus I was on.
downfader
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3:19pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist
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3:38pm Sat 19 Jan 13
downfader wrote:Sounds about right, hopefully I can get some video of riding in the snow up on youtube at some point, it's mad but very fun.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Saw a car sliding sideways down Romsey Road yesterday. Luckily got some traction and slowed to about 5mph before seating itself on the front bumper of a car heading up the hill.
chunky_lover wrote:If it was you, did you soil your car seat when you went sideways and almost hit a car at the top of Warburton hill?
Ginger_cyclist wrote:haha that was probably me mucking about!
Warning motorists seems to be a waste of time, owners of powerful rear wheel drive cars took no notice of the warnings from previous days, watched a merc go too fast in the road slush and go sideways, almost into a parked car.
All because he was impatient to pass the bus I was on.
Ginger_cyclist
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3:40pm Sat 19 Jan 13
downfader wrote:lol You got quoted in the live feed.
On the plus point - love the photos on here. I've been tweeting my own for the past 2 days.
downfader
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4:38pm Sat 19 Jan 13
I *LOVE* the Homer Simpson pic!!!
forest hump
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5:05pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Two wheels in snow and ice? You sunshine, are rolling the dice. Darwin and natural selection spring to mind
downfader wrote:Indeed, as a cyclist I know how to ride in these conditions, you can carry the principals of it over to a car, you basically want as much contact patch as possible, smooth control and do at most half of the speed limit and no faster.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I heard (as I was watching where I trod at the time rather than the road) something like 10-15 prangs yesterday. People were being silly and flooring it.... you just dont get traction that way.
Warning motorists seems to be a waste of time, owners of powerful rear wheel drive cars took no notice of the warnings from previous days, watched a merc go too fast in the road slush and go sideways, almost into a parked car.
Thats why I hope the AA link I posted above can really help. If the link doesnt work then google: "AA Winter driving
Coping with cold, snow and ice"
Ginger_cyclist
says...
5:07pm Sat 19 Jan 13
forest hump wrote:Actually you'd be surprised at how much more grip a cyclist or motorcyclist gets than a car, even putting all of my weight into it, I wasn't able to cause my back wheel to lose grip.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Two wheels in snow and ice? You sunshine, are rolling the dice. Darwin and natural selection spring to mind
downfader wrote:Indeed, as a cyclist I know how to ride in these conditions, you can carry the principals of it over to a car, you basically want as much contact patch as possible, smooth control and do at most half of the speed limit and no faster.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I heard (as I was watching where I trod at the time rather than the road) something like 10-15 prangs yesterday. People were being silly and flooring it.... you just dont get traction that way.
Warning motorists seems to be a waste of time, owners of powerful rear wheel drive cars took no notice of the warnings from previous days, watched a merc go too fast in the road slush and go sideways, almost into a parked car.
Thats why I hope the AA link I posted above can really help. If the link doesnt work then google: "AA Winter driving
Coping with cold, snow and ice"
s e reader
says...
6:24pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Please organisers - be the voice of sanity and cancel it because these mad runners can't think sensibly.
Ginger_cyclist
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6:27pm Sat 19 Jan 13
s e reader wrote:Why? It was planned WELL in advance.
Reference to runners being a hardy bunch?? Well my husband is going to Stubbington tomorrow after all they will be running on roads so all will be well. Has anyone thought about the number of extra people that will therefore be out on the roads getting to Stubbington? Why add to the chaos unecessarily.
Please organisers - be the voice of sanity and cancel it because these mad runners can't think sensibly.
forest hump
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6:31pm Sat 19 Jan 13
IronLady2010
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6:34pm Sat 19 Jan 13
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Ginger_cyclist
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6:52pm Sat 19 Jan 13
forest hump wrote:Actually, that's not true, I even saw a 4x4 struggle and I was having no problems, this is because modern cars have diffs that don't lock, therefore, when a single wheel spins, all of the power goes to the spinning wheel, some 4x4's have locking diffs and all bikes/bicycles have no diffs, therefore, unless all the wheels on such 4x4's and the rear wheel of bikes slip, they put all the power through all of there driving wheels, regardless of whether they're slipping or not, you can even get AWD bicycles and motorbikes.
The only thing that surprises me is the fact that people are prepared to risk balancing on 2 wheels! Have you ever studied physics? The only vehicle that is anywhere near safe would be a 4X4 with stonking big tyres. Then trying to convince the 2 wheel brigade is a waste of energy! Debate closed!
Ginger_cyclist
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6:54pm Sat 19 Jan 13
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
forest hump
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6:57pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Plans should change with prevailing weather conditions. Run around your lounge or back garden and remove the risks.
s e reader wrote:Why? It was planned WELL in advance.
Reference to runners being a hardy bunch?? Well my husband is going to Stubbington tomorrow after all they will be running on roads so all will be well. Has anyone thought about the number of extra people that will therefore be out on the roads getting to Stubbington? Why add to the chaos unecessarily.
Please organisers - be the voice of sanity and cancel it because these mad runners can't think sensibly.
Ginger_cyclist
says...
7:01pm Sat 19 Jan 13
forest hump wrote:Like the councils plans for when the snow arrives that they decided not to implement?
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Plans should change with prevailing weather conditions. Run around your lounge or back garden and remove the risks.
s e reader wrote:Why? It was planned WELL in advance.
Reference to runners being a hardy bunch?? Well my husband is going to Stubbington tomorrow after all they will be running on roads so all will be well. Has anyone thought about the number of extra people that will therefore be out on the roads getting to Stubbington? Why add to the chaos unecessarily.
Please organisers - be the voice of sanity and cancel it because these mad runners can't think sensibly.
Ginger_cyclist
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7:02pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:"Arrived", not "arrives".
forest hump wrote:Like the councils plans for when the snow arrives that they decided not to implement?
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Plans should change with prevailing weather conditions. Run around your lounge or back garden and remove the risks.
s e reader wrote:Why? It was planned WELL in advance.
Reference to runners being a hardy bunch?? Well my husband is going to Stubbington tomorrow after all they will be running on roads so all will be well. Has anyone thought about the number of extra people that will therefore be out on the roads getting to Stubbington? Why add to the chaos unecessarily.
Please organisers - be the voice of sanity and cancel it because these mad runners can't think sensibly.
Torchie1
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7:10pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Ginger_cyclist
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7:18pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Torchie1 wrote:Please, don't throw me in with Southy, I'm not stupid enough to even think of licking snow, let alone snow with a dodgy colour.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
IronLady2010
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7:23pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I have to agree with Ginger there LOL
Torchie1 wrote:Please, don't throw me in with Southy, I'm not stupid enough to even think of licking snow, let alone snow with a dodgy colour.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Torchie1
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7:29pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I don't have to throw you in , you jump in every time you post another of your 'I know best' diatribes. If you asked for advice on how to extricate yourself, I couldn't help you even if I wanted to. You've made your bed on the Echo website, now you're stuck with it.
Torchie1 wrote:Please, don't throw me in with Southy, I'm not stupid enough to even think of licking snow, let alone snow with a dodgy colour.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
forest hump
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7:31pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:If I did not know better I'd say you were Southy's doppleganger.
forest hump wrote:Actually, that's not true, I even saw a 4x4 struggle and I was having no problems, this is because modern cars have diffs that don't lock, therefore, when a single wheel spins, all of the power goes to the spinning wheel, some 4x4's have locking diffs and all bikes/bicycles have no diffs, therefore, unless all the wheels on such 4x4's and the rear wheel of bikes slip, they put all the power through all of there driving wheels, regardless of whether they're slipping or not, you can even get AWD bicycles and motorbikes.
The only thing that surprises me is the fact that people are prepared to risk balancing on 2 wheels! Have you ever studied physics? The only vehicle that is anywhere near safe would be a 4X4 with stonking big tyres. Then trying to convince the 2 wheel brigade is a waste of energy! Debate closed!
Ginger_cyclist
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7:42pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Torchie1 wrote:Considering I've actually researched and practiced riding in the snow, I'm pretty sure I would know a bit better than anyone who has only tried it without research or has done neither.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I don't have to throw you in , you jump in every time you post another of your 'I know best' diatribes. If you asked for advice on how to extricate yourself, I couldn't help you even if I wanted to. You've made your bed on the Echo website, now you're stuck with it.
Torchie1 wrote:Please, don't throw me in with Southy, I'm not stupid enough to even think of licking snow, let alone snow with a dodgy colour.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Ginger_cyclist
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7:43pm Sat 19 Jan 13
forest hump wrote:Why? Is there some points in my comment that you don't believe? Please, tell me which parts and I will gladly prove them to be true.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:If I did not know better I'd say you were Southy's doppleganger.
forest hump wrote:Actually, that's not true, I even saw a 4x4 struggle and I was having no problems, this is because modern cars have diffs that don't lock, therefore, when a single wheel spins, all of the power goes to the spinning wheel, some 4x4's have locking diffs and all bikes/bicycles have no diffs, therefore, unless all the wheels on such 4x4's and the rear wheel of bikes slip, they put all the power through all of there driving wheels, regardless of whether they're slipping or not, you can even get AWD bicycles and motorbikes.
The only thing that surprises me is the fact that people are prepared to risk balancing on 2 wheels! Have you ever studied physics? The only vehicle that is anywhere near safe would be a 4X4 with stonking big tyres. Then trying to convince the 2 wheel brigade is a waste of energy! Debate closed!
Bowmore
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8:12pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Like Ginger_cyclist I cycled to work yesterday with no problems. I allowed a bit more time, stayed of the main roads and got off and pushed where there was chance of being hit by an out of control car. As snow and ice seem to becoming a bit more common in the are perhaps it's time more people learned to cope with it rather than treating it as disaster.
downfader
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8:46pm Sat 19 Jan 13
forest hump wrote:Most 4x4s have city tyres, not the full SUV winter tyre.
The only thing that surprises me is the fact that people are prepared to risk balancing on 2 wheels! Have you ever studied physics? The only vehicle that is anywhere near safe would be a 4X4 with stonking big tyres. Then trying to convince the 2 wheel brigade is a waste of energy! Debate closed!
You CAN ride on two wheels safely with the right precautions, so no debate not closed when you havent even looked into it:
- studded tyres (like the Schwalbe Winters or ice spikers)
- if the bike has disc brakes then wrapping chain around the rim and tyres and securing with a cable tie gives you grip (never do this with canti or caliper brakes)
- or switch to a recumbent trike.
The majority of the roads in Southampton have been fine. The side roads are walkable with a bike.
SotonGreen
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8:47pm Sat 19 Jan 13
With can do attitudes like that no wonder our high street is doomed !
downfader
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8:48pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Bowmore wrote:Exactly!
What is it with the people of Southampton. You get a few centimeters of snow, not that common here I admit, and most act as if its the end of the world. I don't know why schools have to shut at the mere mention of snow. When I was going to school they never closed even when there were several feet of snow. The only concession was that children who live on the N Yorks moors were allowed to set of home an hour earlier than usual. It's not as though it was unexpected this time.
Like Ginger_cyclist I cycled to work yesterday with no problems. I allowed a bit more time, stayed of the main roads and got off and pushed where there was chance of being hit by an out of control car. As snow and ice seem to becoming a bit more common in the are perhaps it's time more people learned to cope with it rather than treating it as disaster.
People want an excuse for a day off work so they moan about a bit of fluffy white stuff and wont allow themselves to get prepared.
downfader
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8:50pm Sat 19 Jan 13
SotonGreen wrote:It shut at 4.30pm I have a photo of the shop being shut somewhere.
Bizarrely the waterstone on the high street closed 30 mins early on Friday due to "inclement" weather. What possible justification ? The staff presumably were already at work and no further snow was forecast.
With can do attitudes like that no wonder our high street is doomed !
RadicalEmu
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8:56pm Sat 19 Jan 13
J.P.M
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8:59pm Sat 19 Jan 13
downfader
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9:14pm Sat 19 Jan 13
J.P.M wrote:Its not global warming, its weather, LOL
IF THIS IS GLOBAL WARMING - I AM SCARED. WHAT IF IT GETS EVEN WARMER?
SaintM
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9:29pm Sat 19 Jan 13
SaintM
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9:29pm Sat 19 Jan 13
IronLady2010
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9:57pm Sat 19 Jan 13
SaintM wrote:You have to take into account many schools closed for no reason, parents were left with no help to support their children.
at our office only 5 staff out of 40 turned up saying that they could not get in as roads blocked and no buses but never thought of walking the 45 miutes it would take and where are the gritters to clear side roads and pavements tehy promised, lucky the weather on their side and has not frozen yet
The schools announced closures before the snow even began to fall!
downfader
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10:15pm Sat 19 Jan 13
SaintM wrote:We have a lady at work who lives 10 minutes walk away, but takes the bus. She phoned up on friday, didnt say if she was coming in but did rant at the lady on the phone to say she was "cold and aching from the snow" and "there is no bus" three times before abruptly hanging up the phone.
at our office only 5 staff out of 40 turned up saying that they could not get in as roads blocked and no buses but never thought of walking the 45 miutes it would take and where are the gritters to clear side roads and pavements tehy promised, lucky the weather on their side and has not frozen yet
My colleague was not impressed. My boss even less so.
Ginger_cyclist
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10:18pm Sat 19 Jan 13
downfader wrote:Someone should buy her a mobility scooter.
SaintM wrote:We have a lady at work who lives 10 minutes walk away, but takes the bus. She phoned up on friday, didnt say if she was coming in but did rant at the lady on the phone to say she was "cold and aching from the snow" and "there is no bus" three times before abruptly hanging up the phone.
at our office only 5 staff out of 40 turned up saying that they could not get in as roads blocked and no buses but never thought of walking the 45 miutes it would take and where are the gritters to clear side roads and pavements tehy promised, lucky the weather on their side and has not frozen yet
My colleague was not impressed. My boss even less so.
IronLady2010
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10:21pm Sat 19 Jan 13
downfader wrote:Is this the office gossip?;-)
SaintM wrote:We have a lady at work who lives 10 minutes walk away, but takes the bus. She phoned up on friday, didnt say if she was coming in but did rant at the lady on the phone to say she was "cold and aching from the snow" and "there is no bus" three times before abruptly hanging up the phone.
at our office only 5 staff out of 40 turned up saying that they could not get in as roads blocked and no buses but never thought of walking the 45 miutes it would take and where are the gritters to clear side roads and pavements tehy promised, lucky the weather on their side and has not frozen yet
My colleague was not impressed. My boss even less so.
chunky_lover
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11:41pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I do agreed that it's fine to drive in the snow, infact it's great fun - I'm a little confused by what you mean when you say getting gas and electric? surely that is delivered to your property already?
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Torchie1
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12:22am Sun 20 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Almost exactly what I'd expect the half-wit to write.Are you sure you two aren't related?
Torchie1 wrote:Considering I've actually researched and practiced riding in the snow, I'm pretty sure I would know a bit better than anyone who has only tried it without research or has done neither.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I don't have to throw you in , you jump in every time you post another of your 'I know best' diatribes. If you asked for advice on how to extricate yourself, I couldn't help you even if I wanted to. You've made your bed on the Echo website, now you're stuck with it.
Torchie1 wrote:Please, don't throw me in with Southy, I'm not stupid enough to even think of licking snow, let alone snow with a dodgy colour.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
IronLady2010
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1:01am Sun 20 Jan 13
You researched Cycling in the snow? Was that on Teletubby.tv
Nothing can teach a cyclist to drive on two wheels in snow, At least a car has four wheels for a bit of balance.
Norwegian Saint
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10:12am Sun 20 Jan 13
Have fun ;-)
southy
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11:38am Sun 20 Jan 13
Torchie1 wrote:Torchie at lest try and switch on your brain for once.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Reason why bikes have better grip in the snow is because of the weight and the narrow grove track a bike makes, the snow push to the side (acts like a track wall) keeps the wheel lock in and stops it from sliding.
with a car the wheels are a lot wider and the car a lot heavier, and all that weight tends to want to go in a streight line. A bike on ice acts differently again
downfader
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11:53am Sun 20 Jan 13
southy wrote:Exactly. 4 million Danish, and 3 million Finnish cyclists cant be wrong. Swedes also keep cycling all through winter.
Torchie1 wrote:Torchie at lest try and switch on your brain for once.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Reason why bikes have better grip in the snow is because of the weight and the narrow grove track a bike makes, the snow push to the side (acts like a track wall) keeps the wheel lock in and stops it from sliding.
with a car the wheels are a lot wider and the car a lot heavier, and all that weight tends to want to go in a streight line. A bike on ice acts differently again
Torchie1
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3:28pm Sun 20 Jan 13
southy wrote:I didn't actually name anyone but if you feel the cap fits..........
Torchie1 wrote:Torchie at lest try and switch on your brain for once.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Reason why bikes have better grip in the snow is because of the weight and the narrow grove track a bike makes, the snow push to the side (acts like a track wall) keeps the wheel lock in and stops it from sliding.
with a car the wheels are a lot wider and the car a lot heavier, and all that weight tends to want to go in a streight line. A bike on ice acts differently again
downfader
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4:53pm Sun 20 Jan 13
Torchie1 wrote:Torchie will you leave it out. You're like an overexcited 4 year old this weekend. Honestly mate
southy wrote:I didn't actually name anyone but if you feel the cap fits..........
Torchie1 wrote:Torchie at lest try and switch on your brain for once.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Reason why bikes have better grip in the snow is because of the weight and the narrow grove track a bike makes, the snow push to the side (acts like a track wall) keeps the wheel lock in and stops it from sliding.
with a car the wheels are a lot wider and the car a lot heavier, and all that weight tends to want to go in a streight line. A bike on ice acts differently again
Ginger_cyclist
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7:57pm Sun 20 Jan 13
chunky_lover wrote:Put money on the gas card and electric key of course.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I do agreed that it's fine to drive in the snow, infact it's great fun - I'm a little confused by what you mean when you say getting gas and electric? surely that is delivered to your property already?
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Ginger_cyclist
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7:59pm Sun 20 Jan 13
Torchie1 wrote:Nope, no relation at all.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Almost exactly what I'd expect the half-wit to write.Are you sure you two aren't related?
Torchie1 wrote:Considering I've actually researched and practiced riding in the snow, I'm pretty sure I would know a bit better than anyone who has only tried it without research or has done neither.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:I don't have to throw you in , you jump in every time you post another of your 'I know best' diatribes. If you asked for advice on how to extricate yourself, I couldn't help you even if I wanted to. You've made your bed on the Echo website, now you're stuck with it.
Torchie1 wrote:Please, don't throw me in with Southy, I'm not stupid enough to even think of licking snow, let alone snow with a dodgy colour.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Ginger_cyclist
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8:12pm Sun 20 Jan 13
IronLady2010 wrote:No, I practiced the previous times that it snowed and no, my research was done on the internet, one of the sites I used was this one http://www.icebike.o
I must admit this made me LOL. I practiced cycling in the snow, was this during the summer?
You researched Cycling in the snow? Was that on Teletubby.tv
Nothing can teach a cyclist to drive on two wheels in snow, At least a car has four wheels for a bit of balance.
rg/
Reading about it won't teach you how to adapt your own style of riding to such conditions but it can teach you how to improve your chances, such as reducing tire pressure, doing this is what ice racers, desert racers and off-roaders do to increase traction by increasing contact patch and surface area but you are wrong, you CAN learn how to ride 2 wheels in snow AND on ice but the only way to learn more than anything a website can tell you is through EXPERIENCE.
Ginger_cyclist
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8:15pm Sun 20 Jan 13
Norwegian Saint wrote:There are a few of us who are exceptions to the norm though. ;)
In Norway.... Love this time of year, laughing at how Blighty get it wrong!
Have fun ;-)
Ginger_cyclist
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8:17pm Sun 20 Jan 13
southy wrote:Maybe torchie was outside for too long and his brain got frost bite.
Torchie1 wrote:Torchie at lest try and switch on your brain for once.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Reason why bikes have better grip in the snow is because of the weight and the narrow grove track a bike makes, the snow push to the side (acts like a track wall) keeps the wheel lock in and stops it from sliding.
with a car the wheels are a lot wider and the car a lot heavier, and all that weight tends to want to go in a streight line. A bike on ice acts differently again
Torchie1
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8:53pm Sun 20 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Do I detect a growing affection for each other?
southy wrote:Maybe torchie was outside for too long and his brain got frost bite.
Torchie1 wrote:Torchie at lest try and switch on your brain for once.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Reason why bikes have better grip in the snow is because of the weight and the narrow grove track a bike makes, the snow push to the side (acts like a track wall) keeps the wheel lock in and stops it from sliding.
with a car the wheels are a lot wider and the car a lot heavier, and all that weight tends to want to go in a streight line. A bike on ice acts differently again
Ginger_cyclist
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9:22pm Sun 20 Jan 13
Torchie1 wrote:No, me and him right and you're completely and utterly wrong this time.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Do I detect a growing affection for each other?
southy wrote:Maybe torchie was outside for too long and his brain got frost bite.
Torchie1 wrote:Torchie at lest try and switch on your brain for once.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Reason why bikes have better grip in the snow is because of the weight and the narrow grove track a bike makes, the snow push to the side (acts like a track wall) keeps the wheel lock in and stops it from sliding.
with a car the wheels are a lot wider and the car a lot heavier, and all that weight tends to want to go in a streight line. A bike on ice acts differently again
Ginger_cyclist
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11:53pm Sun 20 Jan 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:"are right" Don't mind any spelling errors or missing words, it's been a long day.
Torchie1 wrote:No, me and him right and you're completely and utterly wrong this time.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Do I detect a growing affection for each other?
southy wrote:Maybe torchie was outside for too long and his brain got frost bite.
Torchie1 wrote:Torchie at lest try and switch on your brain for once.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Why is it that you and the Redbridge half-wit are so totally convinced that just the two of you both know all of the answers to everything, both are unemployed and both spend the whole day trying to give everyone the benefit of your dubious life skills.
IronLady2010 wrote:It's not irresponsible if you know what you're doing like I do, also, I'm pretty sure that getting gas and electric, paying the rent and council tax made my ride totally necessary.
I must admit cycling in the snow is irresponsible. What may appear fun can be very dangerous and who has to pick up the bits and pieces if you fall off under a car?
The Police advised of no travel unless really necessary, yet cyclists just ignore this and carry on, risking their life and the lives of others.
No offence intended, just my opinion.
Reason why bikes have better grip in the snow is because of the weight and the narrow grove track a bike makes, the snow push to the side (acts like a track wall) keeps the wheel lock in and stops it from sliding.
with a car the wheels are a lot wider and the car a lot heavier, and all that weight tends to want to go in a streight line. A bike on ice acts differently again
Ginger_cyclist says...
11:46am Sat 19 Jan 13