Romsey MP backs Prime Minister David Cameron on his call for public vote on Europe

Daily Echo: Hampshire MP backs calls for Euro referendum Hampshire MP backs calls for Euro referendum

A Hampshire MP has called on a referendum on whether the UK stays in the European Union.

Romsey and Southampton North MP Caroline Nokes has backed Prime Minister David Cameron’s pledge to hold a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU in 2017.

Ms Nokes said: “It is right the referendum is held to establish democratic legitimacy for our in-going membership. It is also right the referendum is held in 2017, as this gives time for the renegotiation of certain aspects of our relationship before the referendum takes place.”

The Tory MP added: “Even if the outcome is to remain in the EU, it cannot be on the current terms, and we must seek to renegotiate, and then seek a mandate for this new relationship with Europe. That takes time to achieve and an issue as important as this cannot be rushed".

Ms Nokes said she has put forward three proposals which she hoped the Prime Minister would incorporate into future renegotiations.

“I want to see no new powers transferred to the European Union, and I want to see law making powers over social and employment policies brought back to Westminster, and ultimate control over our borders repatriated, and then I want to see a referendum on membership of a new Europe," said Ms Nokes.

She added: “It is unacceptable that social and employment policy impacting the UK is decided by a group of unelected officials seeking to legislate for an area stretching from the southern parts of Greece to Northern Finland, and from Portugal in the west and Romania in the east.

“There are areas where EU wide co-operation is essential – the environment, immigration, standardization and harmonization of goods for example. But our Parliament, not Brussels, must be where our social and employment law is made, and control of our borders exercised from”

Pointing out that she has always supported a referendum on Britain’s membership of Europe, Ms Nokes concluded: “The EU is an important body. It accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy.

“Therefore, on the question of membership, we need to be pragmatic and realistic about the drawbacks and benefits of membership. We need a calm and reasonable debate which does not polarise opinion, trade insults and exaggerate problems.

“The debate must establish what is genuinely in the national interest, and then gives the people an opportunity to make the final decision - but after a new relationship has been renegotiated.

“It is fundamentally wrong that the people of the United Kingdom have not had an opportunity to give their consent to membership of what has become the European Union.

“This lack of consent is one of the main reasons all UK membership should be decided by the people, who should not be patronised, but entrusted to make the right decision.”

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7:49am Sun 27 Jan 13

supercool says...

Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels

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Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153 supercool

8:08am Sun 27 Jan 13

SotonGreen says...

supercool wrote:
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No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks.

I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.
[quote][p][bold]supercool[/bold] wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153[/p][/quote]No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher. SotonGreen

8:15am Sun 27 Jan 13

loosehead says...

Exactly when did we say we were willing to give up Sovereignty ?
The only vote we had was to stay in the Common Market not the EU as it now is.
we never voted in any Government to give away powers or sign new constitutions as they have.
it's been a case of this is what we want so it's good for you?
all over the EU countries have given the people a vote on many issues( Euro,Constitution) yet we're not deemed capable of making the right decision.
either go back to a Common Market, bring back imperial measure & every power we've given up or has been taken from us or let's get the hell out of it!
Many countries would love to trade with us many of their people look for the "Made In the UK" or England on the product as to many it's better than the cheap Chinese Imports but we're losing those products production to either Eastern Europe,Turkey or China. pull out hit any company that was here & moved there with higher import taxes as many countries do & to hell with the EU
Exactly when did we say we were willing to give up Sovereignty ? The only vote we had was to stay in the Common Market not the EU as it now is. we never voted in any Government to give away powers or sign new constitutions as they have. it's been a case of this is what we want so it's good for you? all over the EU countries have given the people a vote on many issues( Euro,Constitution) yet we're not deemed capable of making the right decision. either go back to a Common Market, bring back imperial measure & every power we've given up or has been taken from us or let's get the hell out of it! Many countries would love to trade with us many of their people look for the "Made In the UK" or England on the product as to many it's better than the cheap Chinese Imports but we're losing those products production to either Eastern Europe,Turkey or China. pull out hit any company that was here & moved there with higher import taxes as many countries do & to hell with the EU loosehead

8:19am Sun 27 Jan 13

loosehead says...

SotonGreen wrote:
supercool wrote:
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No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks.

I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.
Pull back a bit & ask yourself this if a country in the EU say France has 2.5million unemployed & had at least 3million Brits working there how would they react?
when I say working I don't mean running farms,companies employing French people I mean doing the jobs that French people want but can't get there would be riots.
Until we have 1million unemployed ( can't work) we should stop all immigration into the UK for work purposes
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supercool[/bold] wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153[/p][/quote]No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.[/p][/quote]Pull back a bit & ask yourself this if a country in the EU say France has 2.5million unemployed & had at least 3million Brits working there how would they react? when I say working I don't mean running farms,companies employing French people I mean doing the jobs that French people want but can't get there would be riots. Until we have 1million unemployed ( can't work) we should stop all immigration into the UK for work purposes loosehead

8:30am Sun 27 Jan 13

SotonGreen says...

We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers.

I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)
We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers. I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example) SotonGreen

8:47am Sun 27 Jan 13

elvisimo says...

loosehead wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
supercool wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153
No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.
Pull back a bit & ask yourself this if a country in the EU say France has 2.5million unemployed & had at least 3million Brits working there how would they react? when I say working I don't mean running farms,companies employing French people I mean doing the jobs that French people want but can't get there would be riots. Until we have 1million unemployed ( can't work) we should stop all immigration into the UK for work purposes
The big question is why are these peole getting the jobs. From my experience or rather that of a friend who owns a chain of coffee shops, he finds them reliable, polite, literate and with a strong work ethic.
Having also employed similar uk school leavers he find the unreliable, lazy with large chips of their shoulders.

I know - this can lead to sweeping generalisations but we have part of an entire generation who expect to do nothing at scholl, make no effort, have a massive attitude problem yet still think they should be able to waltz into a nice comfortable well paid job. In reality they are not fit to work in McDonalds (sorry McDonalds).
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supercool[/bold] wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153[/p][/quote]No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.[/p][/quote]Pull back a bit & ask yourself this if a country in the EU say France has 2.5million unemployed & had at least 3million Brits working there how would they react? when I say working I don't mean running farms,companies employing French people I mean doing the jobs that French people want but can't get there would be riots. Until we have 1million unemployed ( can't work) we should stop all immigration into the UK for work purposes[/p][/quote]The big question is why are these peole getting the jobs. From my experience or rather that of a friend who owns a chain of coffee shops, he finds them reliable, polite, literate and with a strong work ethic. Having also employed similar uk school leavers he find the unreliable, lazy with large chips of their shoulders. I know - this can lead to sweeping generalisations but we have part of an entire generation who expect to do nothing at scholl, make no effort, have a massive attitude problem yet still think they should be able to waltz into a nice comfortable well paid job. In reality they are not fit to work in McDonalds (sorry McDonalds). elvisimo

9:04am Sun 27 Jan 13

userds5050 says...

SotonGreen wrote:
We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers.

I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)
Yeah, because the only people working abroad do so under a single market, free movement of labour model.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers. I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)[/p][/quote]Yeah, because the only people working abroad do so under a single market, free movement of labour model. userds5050

9:15am Sun 27 Jan 13

arthur dalyrimple says...

and all the while the indigenous population are thrown out of their houses for the next wave of cheap migrants ,workers rights abolished ,nhs abolished ,yes ,i expect the torys do want out ,more money for them.
and all the while the indigenous population are thrown out of their houses for the next wave of cheap migrants ,workers rights abolished ,nhs abolished ,yes ,i expect the torys do want out ,more money for them. arthur dalyrimple

9:18am Sun 27 Jan 13

MarkR1 says...

EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy"

That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them.

Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports.

It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership.
EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy" That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them. Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports. It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership. MarkR1

9:26am Sun 27 Jan 13

userds5050 says...

MarkR1 wrote:
EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy"

That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them.

Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports.

It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership.
Why would Japan apply for EU membership?
[quote][p][bold]MarkR1[/bold] wrote: EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy" That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them. Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports. It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership.[/p][/quote]Why would Japan apply for EU membership? userds5050

10:40am Sun 27 Jan 13

Lone Ranger. says...

As i have said before ....... its pointless getting excited about this last bit of smoke and mirrors from Slippery Dave.
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He has to win the next election outright .. ,,, and that wont happen.
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And he wont be able to negotiate out by cherry picking the best bits from Europe.
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and Nookey Noakes will say anything in the hope that she can hold on to her seat.
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Bit of a non-story really.
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Concentrate on ZERO GROWTH for the last 2.5 years.
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Concentrate on TRIPLE DIP RECESSION.
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Concentrate on our AAA rating.
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Concentrate on investment.
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These are the areas that this Slippery should be working on .. and not just sparring up with UKIP who are slowly stealing some Tory voters.
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But there again Slippery is always right ........ and in true Tory style.... will blame others when it goes pear shaped .. ..... Slippery by name .... Slippery by nature
As i have said before ....... its pointless getting excited about this last bit of smoke and mirrors from Slippery Dave. . He has to win the next election outright .. ,,, and that wont happen. . And he wont be able to negotiate out by cherry picking the best bits from Europe. . and Nookey Noakes will say anything in the hope that she can hold on to her seat. . Bit of a non-story really. . Concentrate on ZERO GROWTH for the last 2.5 years. . Concentrate on TRIPLE DIP RECESSION. . Concentrate on our AAA rating. . Concentrate on investment. . These are the areas that this Slippery should be working on .. and not just sparring up with UKIP who are slowly stealing some Tory voters. . But there again Slippery is always right ........ and in true Tory style.... will blame others when it goes pear shaped .. ..... Slippery by name .... Slippery by nature Lone Ranger.

10:56am Sun 27 Jan 13

MarkR1 says...

userds5050 wrote:
MarkR1 wrote:
EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy"

That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them.

Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports.

It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership.
Why would Japan apply for EU membership?
Japan wouldn't apply for EU membership because it doesn't need to. It has trade agreements with the EU giving it what it wants.

The point is, people use this argument about the huge amount of trade with the EU to try to scare Brits off voting for leaving. They suggest we'd lose all that trade if we left the EU.

That's just rubbish. We would trade with the EU just like all the other countries in the world do and sign trade agreements where it was beneficial to us.

And actually they would want us to keep trading with them as they sell us so much stuff! Go into Tesco's and see how many goods on sale are from EU countries - Czech beer, Belgium chocolates, French cheese, German sausages, Spanish olive oils, Italian pasta...etc.

A bit different to a supermarket in Spain where you can spend all day playing 'spot the British product' !
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkR1[/bold] wrote: EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy" That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them. Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports. It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership.[/p][/quote]Why would Japan apply for EU membership?[/p][/quote]Japan wouldn't apply for EU membership because it doesn't need to. It has trade agreements with the EU giving it what it wants. The point is, people use this argument about the huge amount of trade with the EU to try to scare Brits off voting for leaving. They suggest we'd lose all that trade if we left the EU. That's just rubbish. We would trade with the EU just like all the other countries in the world do and sign trade agreements where it was beneficial to us. And actually they would want us to keep trading with them as they sell us so much stuff! Go into Tesco's and see how many goods on sale are from EU countries - Czech beer, Belgium chocolates, French cheese, German sausages, Spanish olive oils, Italian pasta...etc. A bit different to a supermarket in Spain where you can spend all day playing 'spot the British product' ! MarkR1

11:00am Sun 27 Jan 13

userds5050 says...

MarkR1 wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
MarkR1 wrote:
EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy"

That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them.

Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports.

It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership.
Why would Japan apply for EU membership?
Japan wouldn't apply for EU membership because it doesn't need to. It has trade agreements with the EU giving it what it wants.

The point is, people use this argument about the huge amount of trade with the EU to try to scare Brits off voting for leaving. They suggest we'd lose all that trade if we left the EU.

That's just rubbish. We would trade with the EU just like all the other countries in the world do and sign trade agreements where it was beneficial to us.

And actually they would want us to keep trading with them as they sell us so much stuff! Go into Tesco's and see how many goods on sale are from EU countries - Czech beer, Belgium chocolates, French cheese, German sausages, Spanish olive oils, Italian pasta...etc.

A bit different to a supermarket in Spain where you can spend all day playing 'spot the British product' !
Did you miss the part about Japan not being in Europe?
[quote][p][bold]MarkR1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkR1[/bold] wrote: EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy" That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them. Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports. It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership.[/p][/quote]Why would Japan apply for EU membership?[/p][/quote]Japan wouldn't apply for EU membership because it doesn't need to. It has trade agreements with the EU giving it what it wants. The point is, people use this argument about the huge amount of trade with the EU to try to scare Brits off voting for leaving. They suggest we'd lose all that trade if we left the EU. That's just rubbish. We would trade with the EU just like all the other countries in the world do and sign trade agreements where it was beneficial to us. And actually they would want us to keep trading with them as they sell us so much stuff! Go into Tesco's and see how many goods on sale are from EU countries - Czech beer, Belgium chocolates, French cheese, German sausages, Spanish olive oils, Italian pasta...etc. A bit different to a supermarket in Spain where you can spend all day playing 'spot the British product' ![/p][/quote]Did you miss the part about Japan not being in Europe? userds5050

11:44am Sun 27 Jan 13

andysaints007 says...

SotonGreen wrote:
supercool wrote:
Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels

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No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks.

I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.
NO - you are an IDIOT !!
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supercool[/bold] wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153[/p][/quote]No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.[/p][/quote]NO - you are an IDIOT !! andysaints007

11:44am Sun 27 Jan 13

andysaints007 says...

SotonGreen wrote:
supercool wrote:
Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels

Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK:

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No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks.

I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.
NO - you are an IDIOT !!
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supercool[/bold] wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153[/p][/quote]No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.[/p][/quote]NO - you are an IDIOT !! andysaints007

11:45am Sun 27 Jan 13

100%HANTSBOY says...

Will opting out of the EU affect my cigarette allowance?
If so,my vote will be "no" !! We bring back 6400 fags every year....pays for our holiday with the money saved!
Will opting out of the EU affect my cigarette allowance? If so,my vote will be "no" !! We bring back 6400 fags every year....pays for our holiday with the money saved! 100%HANTSBOY

11:46am Sun 27 Jan 13

andysaints007 says...

SotonGreen wrote:
We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers.

I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)
YOU really don't have a clue do you!! So your one individual case equals a few thousand that sponge and don't contribute here!!
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers. I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)[/p][/quote]YOU really don't have a clue do you!! So your one individual case equals a few thousand that sponge and don't contribute here!! andysaints007

11:49am Sun 27 Jan 13

andysaints007 says...

elvisimo wrote:
loosehead wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
supercool wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153
No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.
Pull back a bit & ask yourself this if a country in the EU say France has 2.5million unemployed & had at least 3million Brits working there how would they react? when I say working I don't mean running farms,companies employing French people I mean doing the jobs that French people want but can't get there would be riots. Until we have 1million unemployed ( can't work) we should stop all immigration into the UK for work purposes
The big question is why are these peole getting the jobs. From my experience or rather that of a friend who owns a chain of coffee shops, he finds them reliable, polite, literate and with a strong work ethic.
Having also employed similar uk school leavers he find the unreliable, lazy with large chips of their shoulders.

I know - this can lead to sweeping generalisations but we have part of an entire generation who expect to do nothing at scholl, make no effort, have a massive attitude problem yet still think they should be able to waltz into a nice comfortable well paid job. In reality they are not fit to work in McDonalds (sorry McDonalds).
It's because of the likes of your 'friend' that the kids of today do have a chip on their shoulder!! Cheap labour - that's all it is
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supercool[/bold] wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153[/p][/quote]No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.[/p][/quote]Pull back a bit & ask yourself this if a country in the EU say France has 2.5million unemployed & had at least 3million Brits working there how would they react? when I say working I don't mean running farms,companies employing French people I mean doing the jobs that French people want but can't get there would be riots. Until we have 1million unemployed ( can't work) we should stop all immigration into the UK for work purposes[/p][/quote]The big question is why are these peole getting the jobs. From my experience or rather that of a friend who owns a chain of coffee shops, he finds them reliable, polite, literate and with a strong work ethic. Having also employed similar uk school leavers he find the unreliable, lazy with large chips of their shoulders. I know - this can lead to sweeping generalisations but we have part of an entire generation who expect to do nothing at scholl, make no effort, have a massive attitude problem yet still think they should be able to waltz into a nice comfortable well paid job. In reality they are not fit to work in McDonalds (sorry McDonalds).[/p][/quote]It's because of the likes of your 'friend' that the kids of today do have a chip on their shoulder!! Cheap labour - that's all it is andysaints007

11:59am Sun 27 Jan 13

good-gosh says...

One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course. good-gosh

12:08pm Sun 27 Jan 13

SotonGreen says...

andysaints007 wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers.

I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)
YOU really don't have a clue do you!! So your one individual case equals a few thousand that sponge and don't contribute here!!
No you Numpty but there are millions like me that you UKIP loonies convienienty ignore because it doesn't fit your story.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers. I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)[/p][/quote]YOU really don't have a clue do you!! So your one individual case equals a few thousand that sponge and don't contribute here!![/p][/quote]No you Numpty but there are millions like me that you UKIP loonies convienienty ignore because it doesn't fit your story. SotonGreen

12:18pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

andysaints007 wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers.

I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)
YOU really don't have a clue do you!! So your one individual case equals a few thousand that sponge and don't contribute here!!
He as a very good clue, 10 times better than those on the exstreme right, but he did miss out the most importent point.
The question you all should be asking your self and others is this.

Q/ Who brings in these overseas workers.

A/ Business do, they employ them for 6 mths, then get rid of them. Reason being is that for the first 6mths they can pay them well below the National Wage Minimum Agreement, after 6mths then the National Minimum Wage applys, they then drop them and bring in another batch of overseas workers.

To stop this happening all that needs to be done is a law that forces Business to pay the National Minimum Wage limit from the day they first employ them.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers. I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)[/p][/quote]YOU really don't have a clue do you!! So your one individual case equals a few thousand that sponge and don't contribute here!![/p][/quote]He as a very good clue, 10 times better than those on the exstreme right, but he did miss out the most importent point. The question you all should be asking your self and others is this. Q/ Who brings in these overseas workers. A/ Business do, they employ them for 6 mths, then get rid of them. Reason being is that for the first 6mths they can pay them well below the National Wage Minimum Agreement, after 6mths then the National Minimum Wage applys, they then drop them and bring in another batch of overseas workers. To stop this happening all that needs to be done is a law that forces Business to pay the National Minimum Wage limit from the day they first employ them. southy

12:27pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election southy

12:35pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers.

I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)
YOU really don't have a clue do you!! So your one individual case equals a few thousand that sponge and don't contribute here!!
He as a very good clue, 10 times better than those on the exstreme right, but he did miss out the most importent point.
The question you all should be asking your self and others is this.

Q/ Who brings in these overseas workers.

A/ Business do, they employ them for 6 mths, then get rid of them. Reason being is that for the first 6mths they can pay them well below the National Wage Minimum Agreement, after 6mths then the National Minimum Wage applys, they then drop them and bring in another batch of overseas workers.

To stop this happening all that needs to be done is a law that forces Business to pay the National Minimum Wage limit from the day they first employ them.
.. is that so?

Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers'?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers. I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)[/p][/quote]YOU really don't have a clue do you!! So your one individual case equals a few thousand that sponge and don't contribute here!![/p][/quote]He as a very good clue, 10 times better than those on the exstreme right, but he did miss out the most importent point. The question you all should be asking your self and others is this. Q/ Who brings in these overseas workers. A/ Business do, they employ them for 6 mths, then get rid of them. Reason being is that for the first 6mths they can pay them well below the National Wage Minimum Agreement, after 6mths then the National Minimum Wage applys, they then drop them and bring in another batch of overseas workers. To stop this happening all that needs to be done is a law that forces Business to pay the National Minimum Wage limit from the day they first employ them.[/p][/quote].. is that so? Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers'? freefinker

12:50pm Sun 27 Jan 13

jen1 says...

We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word
We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word jen1

12:57pm Sun 27 Jan 13

jen1 says...

SotonGreen wrote:
supercool wrote:
Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels

Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK:

http://epetitions.di


rect.gov.uk/petition


s/41492

Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates:

http://epetitions.di


rect.gov.uk/petition


s/43153
No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks.

I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.
Yes, well perhaps you can give them your job then. Go to UKIPs website and try and find any indication of xenophobia. You won't find any because it doesn't suit your idiotic beliefs.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supercool[/bold] wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153[/p][/quote]No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.[/p][/quote]Yes, well perhaps you can give them your job then. Go to UKIPs website and try and find any indication of xenophobia. You won't find any because it doesn't suit your idiotic beliefs. jen1

1:01pm Sun 27 Jan 13

jen1 says...

elvisimo wrote:
loosehead wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
supercool wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153
No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.
Pull back a bit & ask yourself this if a country in the EU say France has 2.5million unemployed & had at least 3million Brits working there how would they react? when I say working I don't mean running farms,companies employing French people I mean doing the jobs that French people want but can't get there would be riots. Until we have 1million unemployed ( can't work) we should stop all immigration into the UK for work purposes
The big question is why are these peole getting the jobs. From my experience or rather that of a friend who owns a chain of coffee shops, he finds them reliable, polite, literate and with a strong work ethic.
Having also employed similar uk school leavers he find the unreliable, lazy with large chips of their shoulders.

I know - this can lead to sweeping generalisations but we have part of an entire generation who expect to do nothing at scholl, make no effort, have a massive attitude problem yet still think they should be able to waltz into a nice comfortable well paid job. In reality they are not fit to work in McDonalds (sorry McDonalds).
If you believe that our own people are lazy and don't want to work, then tackle that problem, don't keep importing more and more people. These immigrants come here, full nose to the grindstone for a few years and are able to go home and make a life with the money they've saved, it is not so easy for our lot, so there's a motivation issue.

I would not go in your friends coffee shops, I avoid establishments that employ immigrants
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supercool[/bold] wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153[/p][/quote]No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.[/p][/quote]Pull back a bit & ask yourself this if a country in the EU say France has 2.5million unemployed & had at least 3million Brits working there how would they react? when I say working I don't mean running farms,companies employing French people I mean doing the jobs that French people want but can't get there would be riots. Until we have 1million unemployed ( can't work) we should stop all immigration into the UK for work purposes[/p][/quote]The big question is why are these peole getting the jobs. From my experience or rather that of a friend who owns a chain of coffee shops, he finds them reliable, polite, literate and with a strong work ethic. Having also employed similar uk school leavers he find the unreliable, lazy with large chips of their shoulders. I know - this can lead to sweeping generalisations but we have part of an entire generation who expect to do nothing at scholl, make no effort, have a massive attitude problem yet still think they should be able to waltz into a nice comfortable well paid job. In reality they are not fit to work in McDonalds (sorry McDonalds).[/p][/quote]If you believe that our own people are lazy and don't want to work, then tackle that problem, don't keep importing more and more people. These immigrants come here, full nose to the grindstone for a few years and are able to go home and make a life with the money they've saved, it is not so easy for our lot, so there's a motivation issue. I would not go in your friends coffee shops, I avoid establishments that employ immigrants jen1

1:36pm Sun 27 Jan 13

loosehead says...

elvisimo wrote:
loosehead wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
supercool wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153
No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.
Pull back a bit & ask yourself this if a country in the EU say France has 2.5million unemployed & had at least 3million Brits working there how would they react? when I say working I don't mean running farms,companies employing French people I mean doing the jobs that French people want but can't get there would be riots. Until we have 1million unemployed ( can't work) we should stop all immigration into the UK for work purposes
The big question is why are these peole getting the jobs. From my experience or rather that of a friend who owns a chain of coffee shops, he finds them reliable, polite, literate and with a strong work ethic.
Having also employed similar uk school leavers he find the unreliable, lazy with large chips of their shoulders.

I know - this can lead to sweeping generalisations but we have part of an entire generation who expect to do nothing at scholl, make no effort, have a massive attitude problem yet still think they should be able to waltz into a nice comfortable well paid job. In reality they are not fit to work in McDonalds (sorry McDonalds).
I'm not against them I'm trying to put it that our unemployed say the Poles have all taken the work well stop work related immigration offer these people who are unemployed work or as Labour have suggested no welfare payments & if we still have jobs allow the Polish & other Europeans apply for those jobs.
As for Brits in Spain exactly how many are openly competing with the Spanish for jobs?
were we taking jobs from the Germans?
If we implemented this system those out of work cannot use it as an excuse not to work can they?
But would the EU let us do it?
As I voted in the Referendum it was only ever put to us as a Common Market not what it now is so Why can't we have a vote? Milliband ( David) is for a renegotiation of our position in the EU so I guess Labour are agreeing with Cameron?
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supercool[/bold] wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153[/p][/quote]No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.[/p][/quote]Pull back a bit & ask yourself this if a country in the EU say France has 2.5million unemployed & had at least 3million Brits working there how would they react? when I say working I don't mean running farms,companies employing French people I mean doing the jobs that French people want but can't get there would be riots. Until we have 1million unemployed ( can't work) we should stop all immigration into the UK for work purposes[/p][/quote]The big question is why are these peole getting the jobs. From my experience or rather that of a friend who owns a chain of coffee shops, he finds them reliable, polite, literate and with a strong work ethic. Having also employed similar uk school leavers he find the unreliable, lazy with large chips of their shoulders. I know - this can lead to sweeping generalisations but we have part of an entire generation who expect to do nothing at scholl, make no effort, have a massive attitude problem yet still think they should be able to waltz into a nice comfortable well paid job. In reality they are not fit to work in McDonalds (sorry McDonalds).[/p][/quote]I'm not against them I'm trying to put it that our unemployed say the Poles have all taken the work well stop work related immigration offer these people who are unemployed work or as Labour have suggested no welfare payments & if we still have jobs allow the Polish & other Europeans apply for those jobs. As for Brits in Spain exactly how many are openly competing with the Spanish for jobs? were we taking jobs from the Germans? If we implemented this system those out of work cannot use it as an excuse not to work can they? But would the EU let us do it? As I voted in the Referendum it was only ever put to us as a Common Market not what it now is so Why can't we have a vote? Milliband ( David) is for a renegotiation of our position in the EU so I guess Labour are agreeing with Cameron? loosehead

1:36pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Inform Al says...

SotonGreen wrote:
supercool wrote:
Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels

Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK:

http://epetitions.di


rect.gov.uk/petition


s/41492

Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates:

http://epetitions.di


rect.gov.uk/petition


s/43153
No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks.

I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.
Try pouring a 500ml can of lager into a half pint glass and you may just begin to understand the difficulty of trying to accommodate too many people, of whatever colour or creed, into the UK. Common sense is not xenophobic, but it seems from your unsocial rant that you are unable of basic comprehension.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supercool[/bold] wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153[/p][/quote]No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.[/p][/quote]Try pouring a 500ml can of lager into a half pint glass and you may just begin to understand the difficulty of trying to accommodate too many people, of whatever colour or creed, into the UK. Common sense is not xenophobic, but it seems from your unsocial rant that you are unable of basic comprehension. Inform Al

1:39pm Sun 27 Jan 13

loosehead says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Will opting out of the EU affect my cigarette allowance?
If so,my vote will be "no" !! We bring back 6400 fags every year....pays for our holiday with the money saved!
Bet that's not Duty Free as they scrapped that between EU countries so in fact it would be cheaper to buy your fags as we could bring back Duty Free
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Will opting out of the EU affect my cigarette allowance? If so,my vote will be "no" !! We bring back 6400 fags every year....pays for our holiday with the money saved![/p][/quote]Bet that's not Duty Free as they scrapped that between EU countries so in fact it would be cheaper to buy your fags as we could bring back Duty Free loosehead

1:42pm Sun 27 Jan 13

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election[/p][/quote]Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one loosehead

1:43pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one
.. and on everything else.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election[/p][/quote]Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one[/p][/quote].. and on everything else. freefinker

1:45pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

jen1 wrote:
We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di

rect.gov.uk/petition

s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word
The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist.

Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them.
While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word[/p][/quote]The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist. Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them. While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here southy

1:46pm Sun 27 Jan 13

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
supercool wrote:
Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels

Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK:

http://epetitions.di



rect.gov.uk/petition



s/41492

Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates:

http://epetitions.di



rect.gov.uk/petition



s/43153
No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks.

I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.
Try pouring a 500ml can of lager into a half pint glass and you may just begin to understand the difficulty of trying to accommodate too many people, of whatever colour or creed, into the UK. Common sense is not xenophobic, but it seems from your unsocial rant that you are unable of basic comprehension.
On this subject I'm in agreement with you.
Why do people say the last referendum was something more than we were told it was & what we the people voted on?
My sister was told the food will be slightly dear than now but there will be food for your children & this security can only be achieved in the Common Market & if we're not in it there will be food shortages.
She now sees what a lie it was but like many think it's too late to do anything about it.
Will we the public be fooled again into staying in a greater Germany?
I hope not!
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supercool[/bold] wrote: Its time the British people got a say we are fed up of mass immigration and being controlled from Brussels Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Sign this petition to allow UKIP to take part in the 2015 TV election debates: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/43153[/p][/quote]No you are a bunch of xenophobic nutters. I for one would be happy to see Bulgarians or Romanian folk here if there is a job for them to do. I see enough of your lord Hawhaw Farage as it is thanks. I would like to see us being stricter about doling out benefits which btw is within our control we chose to be a soft ouch on benefits given to immigrants other EU countries are much tougher.[/p][/quote]Try pouring a 500ml can of lager into a half pint glass and you may just begin to understand the difficulty of trying to accommodate too many people, of whatever colour or creed, into the UK. Common sense is not xenophobic, but it seems from your unsocial rant that you are unable of basic comprehension.[/p][/quote]On this subject I'm in agreement with you. Why do people say the last referendum was something more than we were told it was & what we the people voted on? My sister was told the food will be slightly dear than now but there will be food for your children & this security can only be achieved in the Common Market & if we're not in it there will be food shortages. She now sees what a lie it was but like many think it's too late to do anything about it. Will we the public be fooled again into staying in a greater Germany? I hope not! loosehead

1:56pm Sun 27 Jan 13

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
jen1 wrote:
We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di


rect.gov.uk/petition


s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word
The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist.

Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them.
While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here
Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying.
I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out.
Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work?
is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs?
is it about a million don't want to work?
We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed.
we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves.
Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there?
If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word[/p][/quote]The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist. Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them. While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here[/p][/quote]Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying. I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out. Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work? is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs? is it about a million don't want to work? We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed. we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves. Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there? If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world loosehead

1:59pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one
.. and on everything else.
I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party.
Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election[/p][/quote]Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one[/p][/quote].. and on everything else.[/p][/quote]I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party. Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you. southy

2:01pm Sun 27 Jan 13

100%HANTSBOY says...

I heard on the radio that some of our Eastern European friends were actually paying people to help them get out of this country,as there is no future here!
I heard on the radio that some of our Eastern European friends were actually paying people to help them get out of this country,as there is no future here! 100%HANTSBOY

2:03pm Sun 27 Jan 13

beiroot says...

userds5050 wrote:
MarkR1 wrote: EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy" That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them. Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports. It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership.
Why would Japan apply for EU membership?
Turkey are waiting to come in and although it's hell of a long time since I done geography at school,I don't remember that it was in Europe.The obvious answer (my opinion) is to let them have our place and we get the hell out of there.Our populations are similar.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkR1[/bold] wrote: EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy" That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them. Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports. It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership.[/p][/quote]Why would Japan apply for EU membership?[/p][/quote]Turkey are waiting to come in and although it's hell of a long time since I done geography at school,I don't remember that it was in Europe.The obvious answer (my opinion) is to let them have our place and we get the hell out of there.Our populations are similar. beiroot

2:05pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
jen1 wrote:
We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di


rect.gov.uk/petition


s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word
The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist.

Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them.
While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here
.. I've already disproved this load of old rubbish. You have absolutely no idea how to research data for the number of EU nationals in the UK - but I'll tell you yet again; it's all in the 2011 census data released so far.

If you had checked before you posted you wouldn't have made such a draft statement as you did on Wednesday: -

"The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers."

You really do show your foolishness almost every time you post on this website.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word[/p][/quote]The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist. Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them. While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here[/p][/quote].. I've already disproved this load of old rubbish. You have absolutely no idea how to research data for the number of EU nationals in the UK - but I'll tell you yet again; it's all in the 2011 census data released so far. If you had checked before you posted you wouldn't have made such a draft statement as you did on Wednesday: - "The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers." You really do show your foolishness almost every time you post on this website. freefinker

2:10pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one
.. and on everything else.
I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party.
Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.
.. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember?

Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election[/p][/quote]Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one[/p][/quote].. and on everything else.[/p][/quote]I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party. Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.[/p][/quote].. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember? Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents? freefinker

2:13pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
jen1 wrote:
We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di



rect.gov.uk/petition



s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word
The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist.

Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them.
While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here
Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying.
I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out.
Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work?
is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs?
is it about a million don't want to work?
We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed.
we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves.
Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there?
If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world
One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home.
Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them.
Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word[/p][/quote]The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist. Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them. While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here[/p][/quote]Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying. I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out. Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work? is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs? is it about a million don't want to work? We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed. we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves. Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there? If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world[/p][/quote]One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home. Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them. Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country. southy

2:17pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Inform Al says...

One thing is for sure. Nokesy is playing the same game as C'moron. They both know that their chances of being re-elcted by those who have seen through their parties abuse of the ordinary WORKING man for the benefit of their rich chums is nil. The only votes they will recieve will be those of their blind sheep, and even the Lib Dems will get some of those. Promising a referendum they have no intention of giving us, like last time round, is their best chance of them stealing some votes. We could of course wake them up, all the parties, if the 60% plus of us that want the referendum vote for the parties that definitely want the referendum. I do not include the obnoxious BNP in that comment.
One thing is for sure. Nokesy is playing the same game as C'moron. They both know that their chances of being re-elcted by those who have seen through their parties abuse of the ordinary WORKING man for the benefit of their rich chums is nil. The only votes they will recieve will be those of their blind sheep, and even the Lib Dems will get some of those. Promising a referendum they have no intention of giving us, like last time round, is their best chance of them stealing some votes. We could of course wake them up, all the parties, if the 60% plus of us that want the referendum vote for the parties that definitely want the referendum. I do not include the obnoxious BNP in that comment. Inform Al

2:19pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

beiroot wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
MarkR1 wrote: EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy" That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them. Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports. It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership.
Why would Japan apply for EU membership?
Turkey are waiting to come in and although it's hell of a long time since I done geography at school,I don't remember that it was in Europe.The obvious answer (my opinion) is to let them have our place and we get the hell out of there.Our populations are similar.
.. obviously it is a long time since you did geography. Not only is that part of Turkey most definitely in Europe (Bosporus and Dardanelles being the Europe/Asia divide) but it would seem your history is a little lacking.

Modern Turkey was the heartland of the pre-WWI Ottoman Empire and this Empire was known throughout most of the 19th and early 20th century as 'The Sick Man of Europe'.
[quote][p][bold]beiroot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkR1[/bold] wrote: EU "accounts for a huge percentage of our trade, and withdrawal will impact our ability to influence decisions which affect our economy" That's not quite accurate. EU accounts for less than half of our international trade, and of that half most of it is imports i.e. they sell more to us than we sell to them. Also some of the goods that we export 'to the EU' are actually going to the rest of the world via European ports like Rotterdam but are counted as EU exports. It is true that withdrawal will impact our ability to make decisions about EU policy, but if we are not part of the EU then most of those decisions will not be relevant to us. If this was really a problem then countries that have trade agreements with the EU but are not members, like Switzerland and Japan, would be trying to become members. They clearly are not interested in membership.[/p][/quote]Why would Japan apply for EU membership?[/p][/quote]Turkey are waiting to come in and although it's hell of a long time since I done geography at school,I don't remember that it was in Europe.The obvious answer (my opinion) is to let them have our place and we get the hell out of there.Our populations are similar.[/p][/quote].. obviously it is a long time since you did geography. Not only is that part of Turkey most definitely in Europe (Bosporus and Dardanelles being the Europe/Asia divide) but it would seem your history is a little lacking. Modern Turkey was the heartland of the pre-WWI Ottoman Empire and this Empire was known throughout most of the 19th and early 20th century as 'The Sick Man of Europe'. freefinker

2:22pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
jen1 wrote:
We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di




rect.gov.uk/petition




s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word
The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist.

Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them.
While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here
Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying.
I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out.
Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work?
is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs?
is it about a million don't want to work?
We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed.
we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves.
Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there?
If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world
One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home.
Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them.
Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country.
.. I have already chellenged you on this - but again you didn't reply.

Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers' from the NMW in the first six months of employment?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word[/p][/quote]The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist. Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them. While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here[/p][/quote]Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying. I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out. Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work? is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs? is it about a million don't want to work? We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed. we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves. Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there? If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world[/p][/quote]One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home. Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them. Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country.[/p][/quote].. I have already chellenged you on this - but again you didn't reply. Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers' from the NMW in the first six months of employment? freefinker

2:33pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one
.. and on everything else.
I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party.
Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.
.. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember?

Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?
So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board.
This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election[/p][/quote]Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one[/p][/quote].. and on everything else.[/p][/quote]I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party. Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.[/p][/quote].. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember? Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?[/p][/quote]So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board. This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so. southy

2:37pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

How about Labour cuts, and 2 years ago i said Labour would win last year council elections, when your self kept saying no they will not, the numbers on march 25th demo rally in london and the list go's on and on
How about Labour cuts, and 2 years ago i said Labour would win last year council elections, when your self kept saying no they will not, the numbers on march 25th demo rally in london and the list go's on and on southy

2:45pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
jen1 wrote:
We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di





rect.gov.uk/petition





s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word
The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist.

Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them.
While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here
Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying.
I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out.
Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work?
is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs?
is it about a million don't want to work?
We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed.
we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves.
Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there?
If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world
One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home.
Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them.
Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country.
.. I have already chellenged you on this - but again you didn't reply.

Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers' from the NMW in the first six months of employment?
Are you that daft you don't know where to find this, the NWL was only writen in fore uk residency those that pay UK taxes from there wages only it made not appliance to overseas workers coming here to work and.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word[/p][/quote]The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist. Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them. While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here[/p][/quote]Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying. I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out. Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work? is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs? is it about a million don't want to work? We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed. we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves. Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there? If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world[/p][/quote]One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home. Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them. Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country.[/p][/quote].. I have already chellenged you on this - but again you didn't reply. Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers' from the NMW in the first six months of employment?[/p][/quote]Are you that daft you don't know where to find this, the NWL was only writen in fore uk residency those that pay UK taxes from there wages only it made not appliance to overseas workers coming here to work and. southy

2:49pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one
.. and on everything else.
I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party.
Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.
.. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember?

Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?
So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board.
This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.
.. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right?

.. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election[/p][/quote]Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one[/p][/quote].. and on everything else.[/p][/quote]I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party. Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.[/p][/quote].. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember? Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?[/p][/quote]So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board. This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.[/p][/quote].. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right? .. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast. freefinker

2:53pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
jen1 wrote:
We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di






rect.gov.uk/petition






s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word
The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist.

Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them.
While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here
Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying.
I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out.
Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work?
is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs?
is it about a million don't want to work?
We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed.
we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves.
Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there?
If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world
One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home.
Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them.
Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country.
.. I have already chellenged you on this - but again you didn't reply.

Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers' from the NMW in the first six months of employment?
Are you that daft you don't know where to find this, the NWL was only writen in fore uk residency those that pay UK taxes from there wages only it made not appliance to overseas workers coming here to work and.
.. far from it. I notice you were unable to refer us to the relevant legislation.

Now, take a look at the ACAS website. Note there is NO exception for 'overseas workers'

http://www.acas.org.
uk/index.aspx?articl
eid=1902

Perhaps you would now like to refer us to this legislation that, apparently, only you know about?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word[/p][/quote]The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist. Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them. While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here[/p][/quote]Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying. I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out. Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work? is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs? is it about a million don't want to work? We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed. we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves. Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there? If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world[/p][/quote]One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home. Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them. Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country.[/p][/quote].. I have already chellenged you on this - but again you didn't reply. Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers' from the NMW in the first six months of employment?[/p][/quote]Are you that daft you don't know where to find this, the NWL was only writen in fore uk residency those that pay UK taxes from there wages only it made not appliance to overseas workers coming here to work and.[/p][/quote].. far from it. I notice you were unable to refer us to the relevant legislation. Now, take a look at the ACAS website. Note there is NO exception for 'overseas workers' http://www.acas.org. uk/index.aspx?articl eid=1902 Perhaps you would now like to refer us to this legislation that, apparently, only you know about? freefinker

3:01pm Sun 27 Jan 13

jen1 says...

Immigration is like adding salt to a meal, a little enhances a meal and improves it but too much poisons you. I believe that we are being poisoned.

I'd be interested in compiling a database of business in Southampton who do and don't employ them, so that people can choose to support British workers, if they so wish by avoiding companies employing immigrants. Does anyone else have thoughts on this idea?
Immigration is like adding salt to a meal, a little enhances a meal and improves it but too much poisons you. I believe that we are being poisoned. I'd be interested in compiling a database of business in Southampton who do and don't employ them, so that people can choose to support British workers, if they so wish by avoiding companies employing immigrants. Does anyone else have thoughts on this idea? jen1

3:01pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
How about Labour cuts, and 2 years ago i said Labour would win last year council elections, when your self kept saying no they will not, the numbers on march 25th demo rally in london and the list go's on and on
.. no, it was Labour which mentioned the cuts they would be making - as Parmajit pointed out to you last time you wrongly boasted about this.

No, I did NOT make any prediction on the 2011 or 2012 local elections (except that TUSC would continue to be also runs – correct prediction). Nor did I ever quote any figures (before or after) for the 25 March demo - although others were able to ridicule your ridiculously inflated figures.

You must try harder to be truthful.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: How about Labour cuts, and 2 years ago i said Labour would win last year council elections, when your self kept saying no they will not, the numbers on march 25th demo rally in london and the list go's on and on[/p][/quote].. no, it was Labour which mentioned the cuts they would be making - as Parmajit pointed out to you last time you wrongly boasted about this. No, I did NOT make any prediction on the 2011 or 2012 local elections (except that TUSC would continue to be also runs – correct prediction). Nor did I ever quote any figures (before or after) for the 25 March demo - although others were able to ridicule your ridiculously inflated figures. You must try harder to be truthful. freefinker

3:11pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one
.. and on everything else.
I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party.
Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.
.. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember?

Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?
So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board.
This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.
.. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right?

.. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast.
No I have been more ring than wrong, i even been more right than you, and you saying this Government will go the full term theres is not a hope in that.
The NSSN momentum is building up, and your pass analysis of union leaders being left wing is totally wrong most are right wing, even len is right wing, and what is going on with in the union leaders is a case i told you so, as was the green party in btighton another i told you so and the list could go on and on
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election[/p][/quote]Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one[/p][/quote].. and on everything else.[/p][/quote]I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party. Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.[/p][/quote].. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember? Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?[/p][/quote]So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board. This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.[/p][/quote].. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right? .. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast.[/p][/quote]No I have been more ring than wrong, i even been more right than you, and you saying this Government will go the full term theres is not a hope in that. The NSSN momentum is building up, and your pass analysis of union leaders being left wing is totally wrong most are right wing, even len is right wing, and what is going on with in the union leaders is a case i told you so, as was the green party in btighton another i told you so and the list could go on and on southy

3:15pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
jen1 wrote:
We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di







rect.gov.uk/petition







s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word
The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist.

Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them.
While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here
Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying.
I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out.
Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work?
is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs?
is it about a million don't want to work?
We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed.
we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves.
Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there?
If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world
One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home.
Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them.
Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country.
.. I have already chellenged you on this - but again you didn't reply.

Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers' from the NMW in the first six months of employment?
Are you that daft you don't know where to find this, the NWL was only writen in fore uk residency those that pay UK taxes from there wages only it made not appliance to overseas workers coming here to work and.
.. far from it. I notice you were unable to refer us to the relevant legislation.

Now, take a look at the ACAS website. Note there is NO exception for 'overseas workers'

http://www.acas.org.

uk/index.aspx?articl

eid=1902

Perhaps you would now like to refer us to this legislation that, apparently, only you know about?
Acas do not deal with such things unless theres been a sacking followed by a strike, they will deal with the law of the land, and the NWL only appies to those who are paying uk P.A.Y.E.tax the same cover do not apply to those who do not P.A.Y.E tax and that is your oversea workers who after 6mth must also start paying P.A.Y.E tax, and thats when the bosses drop them and get another batch of oversea workers.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word[/p][/quote]The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist. Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them. While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here[/p][/quote]Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying. I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out. Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work? is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs? is it about a million don't want to work? We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed. we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves. Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there? If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world[/p][/quote]One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home. Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them. Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country.[/p][/quote].. I have already chellenged you on this - but again you didn't reply. Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers' from the NMW in the first six months of employment?[/p][/quote]Are you that daft you don't know where to find this, the NWL was only writen in fore uk residency those that pay UK taxes from there wages only it made not appliance to overseas workers coming here to work and.[/p][/quote].. far from it. I notice you were unable to refer us to the relevant legislation. Now, take a look at the ACAS website. Note there is NO exception for 'overseas workers' http://www.acas.org. uk/index.aspx?articl eid=1902 Perhaps you would now like to refer us to this legislation that, apparently, only you know about?[/p][/quote]Acas do not deal with such things unless theres been a sacking followed by a strike, they will deal with the law of the land, and the NWL only appies to those who are paying uk P.A.Y.E.tax the same cover do not apply to those who do not P.A.Y.E tax and that is your oversea workers who after 6mth must also start paying P.A.Y.E tax, and thats when the bosses drop them and get another batch of oversea workers. southy

3:25pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one
.. and on everything else.
I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party.
Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.
.. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember?

Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?
So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board.
This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.
.. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right?

.. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast.
No I have been more ring than wrong, i even been more right than you, and you saying this Government will go the full term theres is not a hope in that.
The NSSN momentum is building up, and your pass analysis of union leaders being left wing is totally wrong most are right wing, even len is right wing, and what is going on with in the union leaders is a case i told you so, as was the green party in btighton another i told you so and the list could go on and on
.. we shall see, but I do predict this coalition will run full term. My prediction is still in with a chance, yours has already been lost.

I have NEVER commented on the political position of union leaders, or indeed about unions at all.

That you have a 'thing' about the Green's in Brighton is nothing to do with me. All I have ever pointed out to you is that Brighton is NOC - no one party can get their own way. That you want to make the Green’s the ‘Devil in Disguise’ is your own private little fetish – DON’T drag me into it please.

You really do need to stop making things up.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election[/p][/quote]Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one[/p][/quote].. and on everything else.[/p][/quote]I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party. Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.[/p][/quote].. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember? Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?[/p][/quote]So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board. This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.[/p][/quote].. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right? .. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast.[/p][/quote]No I have been more ring than wrong, i even been more right than you, and you saying this Government will go the full term theres is not a hope in that. The NSSN momentum is building up, and your pass analysis of union leaders being left wing is totally wrong most are right wing, even len is right wing, and what is going on with in the union leaders is a case i told you so, as was the green party in btighton another i told you so and the list could go on and on[/p][/quote].. we shall see, but I do predict this coalition will run full term. My prediction is still in with a chance, yours has already been lost. I have NEVER commented on the political position of union leaders, or indeed about unions at all. That you have a 'thing' about the Green's in Brighton is nothing to do with me. All I have ever pointed out to you is that Brighton is NOC - no one party can get their own way. That you want to make the Green’s the ‘Devil in Disguise’ is your own private little fetish – DON’T drag me into it please. You really do need to stop making things up. freefinker

3:25pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Chas O'Bursledon says...

Life is too short to read all the above. I will be brief. Leave Europe, be abandoned by the Americans, lose investment and export markets and this country will be third world before you can say bonjour! The pound has no long term future. The euro will recover and dwarf us. Our ship sailed in 1945. To Europhobes, I say this. Wake up, smell the tea and guarantee a prosperous future for our children not one on the economic margins.
Life is too short to read all the above. I will be brief. Leave Europe, be abandoned by the Americans, lose investment and export markets and this country will be third world before you can say bonjour! The pound has no long term future. The euro will recover and dwarf us. Our ship sailed in 1945. To Europhobes, I say this. Wake up, smell the tea and guarantee a prosperous future for our children not one on the economic margins. Chas O'Bursledon

3:38pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
How about Labour cuts, and 2 years ago i said Labour would win last year council elections, when your self kept saying no they will not, the numbers on march 25th demo rally in london and the list go's on and on
.. no, it was Labour which mentioned the cuts they would be making - as Parmajit pointed out to you last time you wrongly boasted about this.

No, I did NOT make any prediction on the 2011 or 2012 local elections (except that TUSC would continue to be also runs – correct prediction). Nor did I ever quote any figures (before or after) for the 25 March demo - although others were able to ridicule your ridiculously inflated figures.

You must try harder to be truthful.
Yes you did, yopu said the Torys will keep control of the council, and i said no they will not because labour had done what it needed to do in the 2011 election as they had most of seats put up that year and manage to hang on, where as the following year it was the Torys turn to put most of the seats and lost big time. you quoted about the same as the sun news paper did which was grossly played down figures, when even the police was saying there was well over 1/2 million then said 750,000 when there was around the million. there was over 800,000 union members at that march, plus those who belong to left wing political partys that was not in unions, plus those that turned up that did not register that they will be there and groups like the OAP's and the WI and many other groups that turned up that did not get counted in the final figure, I did not inflate the figures more likely I was under the real figure.
, when there was over 750,000 there and still more turning up, the police ask the organisers to start the march early, I left Hythe park about 6-30pm and the marchers was still turning up, if your quote in numbers or the sun paper was right, then every one would of been in the park by 12-30 if they had started at the planned time, if there was only 750,000 then every one would of been in the park before the speaches started and would not of been put back.
This is how close I am, the march was 5 to 7 miles long (depended where your staring point was), the front of the march was in the park, while there was people was still turning up to start the march in there 100's, think about that for a moment 5 to 7 miles long, 3 road lanes wide, people in the park and more turning up, thats a lot more than the quoted by the police of 800,000
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: How about Labour cuts, and 2 years ago i said Labour would win last year council elections, when your self kept saying no they will not, the numbers on march 25th demo rally in london and the list go's on and on[/p][/quote].. no, it was Labour which mentioned the cuts they would be making - as Parmajit pointed out to you last time you wrongly boasted about this. No, I did NOT make any prediction on the 2011 or 2012 local elections (except that TUSC would continue to be also runs – correct prediction). Nor did I ever quote any figures (before or after) for the 25 March demo - although others were able to ridicule your ridiculously inflated figures. You must try harder to be truthful.[/p][/quote]Yes you did, yopu said the Torys will keep control of the council, and i said no they will not because labour had done what it needed to do in the 2011 election as they had most of seats put up that year and manage to hang on, where as the following year it was the Torys turn to put most of the seats and lost big time. you quoted about the same as the sun news paper did which was grossly played down figures, when even the police was saying there was well over 1/2 million then said 750,000 when there was around the million. there was over 800,000 union members at that march, plus those who belong to left wing political partys that was not in unions, plus those that turned up that did not register that they will be there and groups like the OAP's and the WI and many other groups that turned up that did not get counted in the final figure, I did not inflate the figures more likely I was under the real figure. , when there was over 750,000 there and still more turning up, the police ask the organisers to start the march early, I left Hythe park about 6-30pm and the marchers was still turning up, if your quote in numbers or the sun paper was right, then every one would of been in the park by 12-30 if they had started at the planned time, if there was only 750,000 then every one would of been in the park before the speaches started and would not of been put back. This is how close I am, the march was 5 to 7 miles long (depended where your staring point was), the front of the march was in the park, while there was people was still turning up to start the march in there 100's, think about that for a moment 5 to 7 miles long, 3 road lanes wide, people in the park and more turning up, thats a lot more than the quoted by the police of 800,000 southy

3:42pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
jen1 wrote:
We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di








rect.gov.uk/petition








s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word
The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist.

Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them.
While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here
Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying.
I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out.
Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work?
is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs?
is it about a million don't want to work?
We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed.
we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves.
Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there?
If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world
One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home.
Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them.
Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country.
.. I have already chellenged you on this - but again you didn't reply.

Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers' from the NMW in the first six months of employment?
Are you that daft you don't know where to find this, the NWL was only writen in fore uk residency those that pay UK taxes from there wages only it made not appliance to overseas workers coming here to work and.
.. far from it. I notice you were unable to refer us to the relevant legislation.

Now, take a look at the ACAS website. Note there is NO exception for 'overseas workers'

http://www.acas.org.


uk/index.aspx?articl


eid=1902

Perhaps you would now like to refer us to this legislation that, apparently, only you know about?
Acas do not deal with such things unless theres been a sacking followed by a strike, they will deal with the law of the land, and the NWL only appies to those who are paying uk P.A.Y.E.tax the same cover do not apply to those who do not P.A.Y.E tax and that is your oversea workers who after 6mth must also start paying P.A.Y.E tax, and thats when the bosses drop them and get another batch of oversea workers.
.. absolute rubbish, every word of it.

Come on; show us the legislation that backs up your utterances. You will not be able to because every single bit of it you have made up.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: We need to do something urgently, we will shortly be swamped with immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria, please consider signing this petition http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492, if you are against this and help spread the word[/p][/quote]The numbers being thrown about are not real figures, but just numbers being thrown about by the Far and extreme far right wing aka Nationalist Capitalist. Both Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians included are in the middle of strikes, rallys, demos and marches, they been at it now for 9mths to stop what the Capitalist government in selling off there welfare to the private sector, they are willing to do what they are not willing to do in this country where the working class are to soft and let the Capitalist walk all over them. While the Bulgaria, Romania and Hungians are willing to fight for what they got they are not interested in coming here[/p][/quote]Try walking around Shirley or near Cantell school or around Jessamine or Laundry rd & tell me the figures of Eastern immigrants are not as great as people are saying. I have nothing against them I quite fancy some of their women ( dirty old man you could call me) but I can't stand people lying about the figures by lowering them let the truth come out. Ask yourself this how has 3million Eastern Europeans managed to get jobs when 1.5 million of us can't find work? is it a case of our unemployed refusing to do those jobs? is it about a million don't want to work? We know there's a million who can't work but subtract the amount of unemployed from the amount of immigrants working here & we have more jobs than unemployed. we have a far greater amount of the population working now than we have since 1980 so why 2.5million unemployed the figures talk for themselves. Is Saudi in the EU? NO so how are British Workers working there? If we're needed or we need some one we don't have to be in the EU to work in it or any where else in the world[/p][/quote]One thing loose you do not take into account that there as all ways been immigrants here working, this country is full of immigrants all ways have been going back over 1,000's of years, most immigrants come here then go back home some do end up staying but the bulk of them do go back home. Business bring most immigrants into the country because they don't need to pay them the NMW for the first 6mths, business pay for them to get here then drop them forcing them to make there own way back after 6mths, and who are these eastern europeans, the biggest european community in the UK is the French most are in London and there numbers dont even come to 1/4 million, the biggest community from the world in the UK is the Hindu's and there is only around 3.5 million of them. Stop believing these extreme right wing figures, they are only trying to make you hate, scare you and divide the country.[/p][/quote].. I have already chellenged you on this - but again you didn't reply. Perhaps you could direct us to the legislation that exempts 'overseas workers' from the NMW in the first six months of employment?[/p][/quote]Are you that daft you don't know where to find this, the NWL was only writen in fore uk residency those that pay UK taxes from there wages only it made not appliance to overseas workers coming here to work and.[/p][/quote].. far from it. I notice you were unable to refer us to the relevant legislation. Now, take a look at the ACAS website. Note there is NO exception for 'overseas workers' http://www.acas.org. uk/index.aspx?articl eid=1902 Perhaps you would now like to refer us to this legislation that, apparently, only you know about?[/p][/quote]Acas do not deal with such things unless theres been a sacking followed by a strike, they will deal with the law of the land, and the NWL only appies to those who are paying uk P.A.Y.E.tax the same cover do not apply to those who do not P.A.Y.E tax and that is your oversea workers who after 6mth must also start paying P.A.Y.E tax, and thats when the bosses drop them and get another batch of oversea workers.[/p][/quote].. absolute rubbish, every word of it. Come on; show us the legislation that backs up your utterances. You will not be able to because every single bit of it you have made up. freefinker

3:46pm Sun 27 Jan 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one
.. and on everything else.
I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party.
Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.
.. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember?

Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?
So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board.
This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.
.. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right?

.. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast.
No I have been more ring than wrong, i even been more right than you, and you saying this Government will go the full term theres is not a hope in that.
The NSSN momentum is building up, and your pass analysis of union leaders being left wing is totally wrong most are right wing, even len is right wing, and what is going on with in the union leaders is a case i told you so, as was the green party in btighton another i told you so and the list could go on and on
.. we shall see, but I do predict this coalition will run full term. My prediction is still in with a chance, yours has already been lost.

I have NEVER commented on the political position of union leaders, or indeed about unions at all.

That you have a 'thing' about the Green's in Brighton is nothing to do with me. All I have ever pointed out to you is that Brighton is NOC - no one party can get their own way. That you want to make the Green’s the ‘Devil in Disguise’ is your own private little fetish – DON’T drag me into it please.

You really do need to stop making things up.
You miss the point, the greens in brighton just followed the government lead, they could of said no to any cuts, and made a stand and be leaders but they did not they became just followers to the system, it don't matter if they did not have over control of the council the point is they did not even bother to try and put forward an alternative, the had the majority so they should lead and not follow, I told this council that at the meeting just before xmas, that they should be leading and not following and heres the difference between the TUSC and others we will lead and not follow, we will do what the people want us to do for the city and its people and not what the government tells us what the city needs. the 2 are not the same.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election[/p][/quote]Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one[/p][/quote].. and on everything else.[/p][/quote]I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party. Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.[/p][/quote].. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember? Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?[/p][/quote]So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board. This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.[/p][/quote].. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right? .. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast.[/p][/quote]No I have been more ring than wrong, i even been more right than you, and you saying this Government will go the full term theres is not a hope in that. The NSSN momentum is building up, and your pass analysis of union leaders being left wing is totally wrong most are right wing, even len is right wing, and what is going on with in the union leaders is a case i told you so, as was the green party in btighton another i told you so and the list could go on and on[/p][/quote].. we shall see, but I do predict this coalition will run full term. My prediction is still in with a chance, yours has already been lost. I have NEVER commented on the political position of union leaders, or indeed about unions at all. That you have a 'thing' about the Green's in Brighton is nothing to do with me. All I have ever pointed out to you is that Brighton is NOC - no one party can get their own way. That you want to make the Green’s the ‘Devil in Disguise’ is your own private little fetish – DON’T drag me into it please. You really do need to stop making things up.[/p][/quote]You miss the point, the greens in brighton just followed the government lead, they could of said no to any cuts, and made a stand and be leaders but they did not they became just followers to the system, it don't matter if they did not have over control of the council the point is they did not even bother to try and put forward an alternative, the had the majority so they should lead and not follow, I told this council that at the meeting just before xmas, that they should be leading and not following and heres the difference between the TUSC and others we will lead and not follow, we will do what the people want us to do for the city and its people and not what the government tells us what the city needs. the 2 are not the same. southy

3:49pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
How about Labour cuts, and 2 years ago i said Labour would win last year council elections, when your self kept saying no they will not, the numbers on march 25th demo rally in london and the list go's on and on
.. no, it was Labour which mentioned the cuts they would be making - as Parmajit pointed out to you last time you wrongly boasted about this.

No, I did NOT make any prediction on the 2011 or 2012 local elections (except that TUSC would continue to be also runs – correct prediction). Nor did I ever quote any figures (before or after) for the 25 March demo - although others were able to ridicule your ridiculously inflated figures.

You must try harder to be truthful.
Yes you did, yopu said the Torys will keep control of the council, and i said no they will not because labour had done what it needed to do in the 2011 election as they had most of seats put up that year and manage to hang on, where as the following year it was the Torys turn to put most of the seats and lost big time. you quoted about the same as the sun news paper did which was grossly played down figures, when even the police was saying there was well over 1/2 million then said 750,000 when there was around the million. there was over 800,000 union members at that march, plus those who belong to left wing political partys that was not in unions, plus those that turned up that did not register that they will be there and groups like the OAP's and the WI and many other groups that turned up that did not get counted in the final figure, I did not inflate the figures more likely I was under the real figure.
, when there was over 750,000 there and still more turning up, the police ask the organisers to start the march early, I left Hythe park about 6-30pm and the marchers was still turning up, if your quote in numbers or the sun paper was right, then every one would of been in the park by 12-30 if they had started at the planned time, if there was only 750,000 then every one would of been in the park before the speaches started and would not of been put back.
This is how close I am, the march was 5 to 7 miles long (depended where your staring point was), the front of the march was in the park, while there was people was still turning up to start the march in there 100's, think about that for a moment 5 to 7 miles long, 3 road lanes wide, people in the park and more turning up, thats a lot more than the quoted by the police of 800,000
.. wrong. You can argue all you like about demo numbers. It doesn't bother me as I gave no predictions or estimates whatsoever.

.. wrong. I have NEVER predicted the winners of Southampton local elections.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: How about Labour cuts, and 2 years ago i said Labour would win last year council elections, when your self kept saying no they will not, the numbers on march 25th demo rally in london and the list go's on and on[/p][/quote].. no, it was Labour which mentioned the cuts they would be making - as Parmajit pointed out to you last time you wrongly boasted about this. No, I did NOT make any prediction on the 2011 or 2012 local elections (except that TUSC would continue to be also runs – correct prediction). Nor did I ever quote any figures (before or after) for the 25 March demo - although others were able to ridicule your ridiculously inflated figures. You must try harder to be truthful.[/p][/quote]Yes you did, yopu said the Torys will keep control of the council, and i said no they will not because labour had done what it needed to do in the 2011 election as they had most of seats put up that year and manage to hang on, where as the following year it was the Torys turn to put most of the seats and lost big time. you quoted about the same as the sun news paper did which was grossly played down figures, when even the police was saying there was well over 1/2 million then said 750,000 when there was around the million. there was over 800,000 union members at that march, plus those who belong to left wing political partys that was not in unions, plus those that turned up that did not register that they will be there and groups like the OAP's and the WI and many other groups that turned up that did not get counted in the final figure, I did not inflate the figures more likely I was under the real figure. , when there was over 750,000 there and still more turning up, the police ask the organisers to start the march early, I left Hythe park about 6-30pm and the marchers was still turning up, if your quote in numbers or the sun paper was right, then every one would of been in the park by 12-30 if they had started at the planned time, if there was only 750,000 then every one would of been in the park before the speaches started and would not of been put back. This is how close I am, the march was 5 to 7 miles long (depended where your staring point was), the front of the march was in the park, while there was people was still turning up to start the march in there 100's, think about that for a moment 5 to 7 miles long, 3 road lanes wide, people in the park and more turning up, thats a lot more than the quoted by the police of 800,000[/p][/quote].. wrong. You can argue all you like about demo numbers. It doesn't bother me as I gave no predictions or estimates whatsoever. .. wrong. I have NEVER predicted the winners of Southampton local elections. freefinker

3:56pm Sun 27 Jan 13

linstrand says...

Referendum promised 2015 like it was promised by Cameron before!!!
Could be a President of Europe by then
It is all smoke & mirrors in my opinion
Referendum promised 2015 like it was promised by Cameron before!!! Could be a President of Europe by then It is all smoke & mirrors in my opinion linstrand

4:02pm Sun 27 Jan 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one
.. and on everything else.
I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party.
Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.
.. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember?

Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?
So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board.
This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.
.. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right?

.. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast.
No I have been more ring than wrong, i even been more right than you, and you saying this Government will go the full term theres is not a hope in that.
The NSSN momentum is building up, and your pass analysis of union leaders being left wing is totally wrong most are right wing, even len is right wing, and what is going on with in the union leaders is a case i told you so, as was the green party in btighton another i told you so and the list could go on and on
.. we shall see, but I do predict this coalition will run full term. My prediction is still in with a chance, yours has already been lost.

I have NEVER commented on the political position of union leaders, or indeed about unions at all.

That you have a 'thing' about the Green's in Brighton is nothing to do with me. All I have ever pointed out to you is that Brighton is NOC - no one party can get their own way. That you want to make the Green’s the ‘Devil in Disguise’ is your own private little fetish – DON’T drag me into it please.

You really do need to stop making things up.
You miss the point, the greens in brighton just followed the government lead, they could of said no to any cuts, and made a stand and be leaders but they did not they became just followers to the system, it don't matter if they did not have over control of the council the point is they did not even bother to try and put forward an alternative, the had the majority so they should lead and not follow, I told this council that at the meeting just before xmas, that they should be leading and not following and heres the difference between the TUSC and others we will lead and not follow, we will do what the people want us to do for the city and its people and not what the government tells us what the city needs. the 2 are not the same.
.. so, are you now going to actually tell us where TUSC will get the money from for its 'No Cuts' slogan?

Remember, 'No Cuts' means spending as much as, or more than, the previous year. Income however is controlled by central government and is being severely cut. Result = shortfall of money.

As you have spectacularly failed to answer this dilemma several times now, I think it is totally unbecoming of you to actually have a go at other political parties (note the plural) who, because they actually have representation in local government (unlike TUSC), have had to face up to the economic and fiscal reality that you continue to pretend doesn’t exist.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election[/p][/quote]Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one[/p][/quote].. and on everything else.[/p][/quote]I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party. Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.[/p][/quote].. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember? Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?[/p][/quote]So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board. This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.[/p][/quote].. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right? .. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast.[/p][/quote]No I have been more ring than wrong, i even been more right than you, and you saying this Government will go the full term theres is not a hope in that. The NSSN momentum is building up, and your pass analysis of union leaders being left wing is totally wrong most are right wing, even len is right wing, and what is going on with in the union leaders is a case i told you so, as was the green party in btighton another i told you so and the list could go on and on[/p][/quote].. we shall see, but I do predict this coalition will run full term. My prediction is still in with a chance, yours has already been lost. I have NEVER commented on the political position of union leaders, or indeed about unions at all. That you have a 'thing' about the Green's in Brighton is nothing to do with me. All I have ever pointed out to you is that Brighton is NOC - no one party can get their own way. That you want to make the Green’s the ‘Devil in Disguise’ is your own private little fetish – DON’T drag me into it please. You really do need to stop making things up.[/p][/quote]You miss the point, the greens in brighton just followed the government lead, they could of said no to any cuts, and made a stand and be leaders but they did not they became just followers to the system, it don't matter if they did not have over control of the council the point is they did not even bother to try and put forward an alternative, the had the majority so they should lead and not follow, I told this council that at the meeting just before xmas, that they should be leading and not following and heres the difference between the TUSC and others we will lead and not follow, we will do what the people want us to do for the city and its people and not what the government tells us what the city needs. the 2 are not the same.[/p][/quote].. so, are you now going to actually tell us where TUSC will get the money from for its 'No Cuts' slogan? Remember, 'No Cuts' means spending as much as, or more than, the previous year. Income however is controlled by central government and is being severely cut. Result = shortfall of money. As you have spectacularly failed to answer this dilemma several times now, I think it is totally unbecoming of you to actually have a go at other political parties (note the plural) who, because they actually have representation in local government (unlike TUSC), have had to face up to the economic and fiscal reality that you continue to pretend doesn’t exist. freefinker

4:17pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.
More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party.

And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election
Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one
.. and on everything else.
I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party.
Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.
.. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember?

Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?
So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board.
This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.
.. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right?

.. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast.
No I have been more ring than wrong, i even been more right than you, and you saying this Government will go the full term theres is not a hope in that.
The NSSN momentum is building up, and your pass analysis of union leaders being left wing is totally wrong most are right wing, even len is right wing, and what is going on with in the union leaders is a case i told you so, as was the green party in btighton another i told you so and the list could go on and on
.. we shall see, but I do predict this coalition will run full term. My prediction is still in with a chance, yours has already been lost.

I have NEVER commented on the political position of union leaders, or indeed about unions at all.

That you have a 'thing' about the Green's in Brighton is nothing to do with me. All I have ever pointed out to you is that Brighton is NOC - no one party can get their own way. That you want to make the Green’s the ‘Devil in Disguise’ is your own private little fetish – DON’T drag me into it please.

You really do need to stop making things up.
You miss the point, the greens in brighton just followed the government lead, they could of said no to any cuts, and made a stand and be leaders but they did not they became just followers to the system, it don't matter if they did not have over control of the council the point is they did not even bother to try and put forward an alternative, the had the majority so they should lead and not follow, I told this council that at the meeting just before xmas, that they should be leading and not following and heres the difference between the TUSC and others we will lead and not follow, we will do what the people want us to do for the city and its people and not what the government tells us what the city needs. the 2 are not the same.
I think you'll find that the difference between your beloved Tusc and the other parties is that no-one will vote for you because you seem to think that the electorate is stupid. The people have told you what they want for Southampton and it doesn't include the leadership of a group of clowns. Try the old fashioned communist route to power through the barrel of a gun because the ballot box option is clearly not working. Sorry to be the bearer of such bad news.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: One thing is for sure. The British government is in control of the EU situation and the referendum will simply add mass support for their plans. Why else would they call a referendum? They certainly would not call for a vote just to let the public make the decision. You’d better believe it - unless you were born only yesterday, of course.[/p][/quote]More to the point a few years ago UKIP and the Torys leaders got together and UKIP made an offer to the Torys that if the Torys included a EU referendum in there term of office manifest, then UKIP will join the Tory party. And if the poll result is to go by, the Torys popularity have cut Labour lead over the Torys by half, still not good enough yet for the Torys, and it would mean the Torys will still lose the next election[/p][/quote]Have you heard Faragh on Cameron? Southy your way off the line on this one[/p][/quote].. and on everything else.[/p][/quote]I not way off at all, Faragh was not dealing with Cameron. Cameron is only the leader figure head of the Torys and will be gone soon I think, Faragh dealt with his equals in the Tory party the President and Chairman of the Tory party. Well I have been a lot closer than you ever been and most on here Free, like I all ways said time will prove that, and theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so as Shoong as found out to many times and you.[/p][/quote].. sure man, like you were so right in your political analysis that there would definitely be a general election before the end of 2012. Remember? Now perhaps you can refresh our memories on this 'theres been to many times all ready where i have said I told you so'? What were these 'many' incidents?[/p][/quote]So 1 in every 100, but i think you find i will not be far of the mark, a lot closer then you will be, this government is in trouble just a little bit of pressure and his own party will turn on him to save there own necks, that pressure as not been applied yet because of the right wing TUC boards and most leaders of the unions are right wing and will not do the right thing for its members, thats why the NSSN was formed to by-pass those right wing union leaders and TUC board. This government could of been gone with in 6 mths if the union leaders had the mind to do so.[/p][/quote].. so, what you are actually saying is that your political analysis was wrong. Am I right? .. so, you have no 'I told you so' incidents to report? Yet another hollow boast.[/p][/quote]No I have been more ring than wrong, i even been more right than you, and you saying this Government will go the full term theres is not a hope in that. The NSSN momentum is building up, and your pass analysis of union leaders being left wing is totally wrong most are right wing, even len is right wing, and what is going on with in the union leaders is a case i told you so, as was the green party in btighton another i told you so and the list could go on and on[/p][/quote].. we shall see, but I do predict this coalition will run full term. My prediction is still in with a chance, yours has already been lost. I have NEVER commented on the political position of union leaders, or indeed about unions at all. That you have a 'thing' about the Green's in Brighton is nothing to do with me. All I have ever pointed out to you is that Brighton is NOC - no one party can get their own way. That you want to make the Green’s the ‘Devil in Disguise’ is your own private little fetish – DON’T drag me into it please. You really do need to stop making things up.[/p][/quote]You miss the point, the greens in brighton just followed the government lead, they could of said no to any cuts, and made a stand and be leaders but they did not they became just followers to the system, it don't matter if they did not have over control of the council the point is they did not even bother to try and put forward an alternative, the had the majority so they should lead and not follow, I told this council that at the meeting just before xmas, that they should be leading and not following and heres the difference between the TUSC and others we will lead and not follow, we will do what the people want us to do for the city and its people and not what the government tells us what the city needs. the 2 are not the same.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that the difference between your beloved Tusc and the other parties is that no-one will vote for you because you seem to think that the electorate is stupid. The people have told you what they want for Southampton and it doesn't include the leadership of a group of clowns. Try the old fashioned communist route to power through the barrel of a gun because the ballot box option is clearly not working. Sorry to be the bearer of such bad news. Torchie1

8:07pm Sun 27 Jan 13

andysaints007 says...

SotonGreen wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers.

I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)
YOU really don't have a clue do you!! So your one individual case equals a few thousand that sponge and don't contribute here!!
No you Numpty but there are millions like me that you UKIP loonies convienienty ignore because it doesn't fit your story.
It's nothing to do with my politics you tw&t !!
It's a fact that money is being earned by certain 'types' over here and not a lot of it is being spent in this country!!
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: We signed up for a single market, free movement of labour and goods is intrinsic to that. If you believe in the free market capitalist model you have to believe that the market makes us all more wealthy by breaking down trade barriers. I am an example of a Brit who has benefited I lived and worked in Germany when times were tough in the UK (early 00s). Please remember it isn't just about immigration plenty of us Brits can and do go abroad both to work and retire (large expat community in Spain for example)[/p][/quote]YOU really don't have a clue do you!! So your one individual case equals a few thousand that sponge and don't contribute here!![/p][/quote]No you Numpty but there are millions like me that you UKIP loonies convienienty ignore because it doesn't fit your story.[/p][/quote]It's nothing to do with my politics you tw&t !! It's a fact that money is being earned by certain 'types' over here and not a lot of it is being spent in this country!! andysaints007

8:20pm Sun 27 Jan 13

forest hump says...

Typical political claptrap. "gives time for renegotiation"
What they really mean is, let's not make any kind of commitment before the next General Election in 2015. Then if we do get back in it gives us a couple of years to squirm out because if we are no longer members there will be no highly paid Euro jobs for the boys. Can't stop the gravy train just because the majority of the country want to. Lying, useless scum: the lot of them (all parties)
Typical political claptrap. "gives time for renegotiation" What they really mean is, let's not make any kind of commitment before the next General Election in 2015. Then if we do get back in it gives us a couple of years to squirm out because if we are no longer members there will be no highly paid Euro jobs for the boys. Can't stop the gravy train just because the majority of the country want to. Lying, useless scum: the lot of them (all parties) forest hump

9:11pm Sun 27 Jan 13

loosehead says...

I lived in Thailand for a year I wasn't allowed to work.
I used a gym which many Germans used.
they congratulated me on my countries stance on the Euro they wished their Government hadn't committed to it & had kept the Mark.
I was asked the question why so many of us were against the EU?
I said if the only way as countries we can get along is being forced together one day it will collapse.
I said we get on well here we're all drinking together no mention of the past surely that's what should happen & they agreed.
I said why do we have to be one Country to do this? after all didn't the Saxons come from Germany?
Didn't the Normans come from what is now France I heard a lot of moaning when I said France & I found out they didn't like the French?
I said we could work together but be separate countries if one made a law & other countries liked it they could adopt it not have it forced on them as they do now.
Unbelievably they agreed with me & one very Pro further integration German admitted what I said made sense.
I thought of these people as my friends & I don't believe this would change just because we were no longer in the EU.
What I could tell from them many countries are thinking of pulling out & many German people are starting to believe the EU is no good for them it will take us to pull out to start the ball rolling so countries rule themselves & not some council in Brussels or MP's who don't seem to be listening to their voters
I lived in Thailand for a year I wasn't allowed to work. I used a gym which many Germans used. they congratulated me on my countries stance on the Euro they wished their Government hadn't committed to it & had kept the Mark. I was asked the question why so many of us were against the EU? I said if the only way as countries we can get along is being forced together one day it will collapse. I said we get on well here we're all drinking together no mention of the past surely that's what should happen & they agreed. I said why do we have to be one Country to do this? after all didn't the Saxons come from Germany? Didn't the Normans come from what is now France I heard a lot of moaning when I said France & I found out they didn't like the French? I said we could work together but be separate countries if one made a law & other countries liked it they could adopt it not have it forced on them as they do now. Unbelievably they agreed with me & one very Pro further integration German admitted what I said made sense. I thought of these people as my friends & I don't believe this would change just because we were no longer in the EU. What I could tell from them many countries are thinking of pulling out & many German people are starting to believe the EU is no good for them it will take us to pull out to start the ball rolling so countries rule themselves & not some council in Brussels or MP's who don't seem to be listening to their voters loosehead

10:40pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Inform Al says...

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Life is too short to read all the above. I will be brief. Leave Europe, be abandoned by the Americans, lose investment and export markets and this country will be third world before you can say bonjour! The pound has no long term future. The euro will recover and dwarf us. Our ship sailed in 1945. To Europhobes, I say this. Wake up, smell the tea and guarantee a prosperous future for our children not one on the economic margins.
It's not often I read a post that I can honestly say is total cr4p, so congratulations. The Yanks want us in the EU as otherwise the competitionm from us would be too great. By coming out of the EU we will actually be in a position to take more advantage of world markets. If we stay in the EU we will become third world. The Euro is already dead, just not yet lying down, thanks to the pounds being thrown at the EU. I will not suggest you wake up, just get onto the same planet as the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: Life is too short to read all the above. I will be brief. Leave Europe, be abandoned by the Americans, lose investment and export markets and this country will be third world before you can say bonjour! The pound has no long term future. The euro will recover and dwarf us. Our ship sailed in 1945. To Europhobes, I say this. Wake up, smell the tea and guarantee a prosperous future for our children not one on the economic margins.[/p][/quote]It's not often I read a post that I can honestly say is total cr4p, so congratulations. The Yanks want us in the EU as otherwise the competitionm from us would be too great. By coming out of the EU we will actually be in a position to take more advantage of world markets. If we stay in the EU we will become third world. The Euro is already dead, just not yet lying down, thanks to the pounds being thrown at the EU. I will not suggest you wake up, just get onto the same planet as the rest of us. Inform Al

11:40pm Sun 27 Jan 13

kingnotail says...

jen1 wrote:
Immigration is like adding salt to a meal, a little enhances a meal and improves it but too much poisons you. I believe that we are being poisoned.

I'd be interested in compiling a database of business in Southampton who do and don't employ them, so that people can choose to support British workers, if they so wish by avoiding companies employing immigrants. Does anyone else have thoughts on this idea?
Yes. You're talking s**t.
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: Immigration is like adding salt to a meal, a little enhances a meal and improves it but too much poisons you. I believe that we are being poisoned. I'd be interested in compiling a database of business in Southampton who do and don't employ them, so that people can choose to support British workers, if they so wish by avoiding companies employing immigrants. Does anyone else have thoughts on this idea?[/p][/quote]Yes. You're talking s**t. kingnotail

12:41pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Subject48 says...

Yeah, more propaganda to get votes. Also I just cant believe you guys still respond to southy.

In regards to the unemployment argument. I daubt any single one of you have ever worked in one of the many factories/werheouses
/packhouses. They are full of immigrants. For good reason.

If you honestly believe that your average british teeneager, who owns the newest iphone his/her family baught them for x mas, will go to one of these slave-driver houses for a long term job you are living in a fantasy.

Truth is, the standard of living in the UK being part of the dole and benefit system is higher than working full time anywhere East of the German boarder.

Now, in these terms, pulling out of the eu for those reasons is ludacris. The only thing this will achieve is to allow huge business to go back to pre eu-expansion practice of employing then illegal immigrants vicariously through agencies with less then legitame reputations.

It worked because these so called "agencies" were nothing short of slave camps threatening deportation if you dont work, and paying you half the minimal wage they recieve from the legitamte business. They then supply them with forged worked permits/visas.

If you argue about brussels taking away the law making ability of UK, I would say you are half right.

In legal terms, because as a EU directive, we have the human rights act, it allows for appeals in legal matters beyound the house of lords.

This would stop if uk leaves the EU. No more fail safe. Do you then trust the likes of Cameron, Clegg, Blair and a bunch of tory unelected biggots sitting in the house of lords to make law for you with no fail safe? I dont like it one bit.

On the other hand, some directives that come from brussels are, to say the least, detrimental to your average way of living in the UK. Health and safety, green taxes etc.

In regards to trade I do fear that because as you have said, we import more then we export. Once we leave the EU and say the trade agreement collapses, whats stopping those that export to us raising the prices.

Where will you then buy your french cheese, and all the other things that have been mentioned? It will be a sellers market because as a buyer UK will have no alternative, but pay or import from further afield. In which case the net effect of higher prices will be an inherent factor.

Im no expert but I do not think us leaving the EU is a right idea in the long run. We have helped to bail out spain and greece, might be a good idea if we need bailing out? At the moment it looks like that day might not be too far away.

On a personal note, the sooner we get some sort of global government in place the sooner we can start to bring some sort of sanity to the world as a whole. The EU is a good start.
Yeah, more propaganda to get votes. Also I just cant believe you guys still respond to southy. In regards to the unemployment argument. I daubt any single one of you have ever worked in one of the many factories/werheouses /packhouses. They are full of immigrants. For good reason. If you honestly believe that your average british teeneager, who owns the newest iphone his/her family baught them for x mas, will go to one of these slave-driver houses for a long term job you are living in a fantasy. Truth is, the standard of living in the UK being part of the dole and benefit system is higher than working full time anywhere East of the German boarder. Now, in these terms, pulling out of the eu for those reasons is ludacris. The only thing this will achieve is to allow huge business to go back to pre eu-expansion practice of employing then illegal immigrants vicariously through agencies with less then legitame reputations. It worked because these so called "agencies" were nothing short of slave camps threatening deportation if you dont work, and paying you half the minimal wage they recieve from the legitamte business. They then supply them with forged worked permits/visas. If you argue about brussels taking away the law making ability of UK, I would say you are half right. In legal terms, because as a EU directive, we have the human rights act, it allows for appeals in legal matters beyound the house of lords. This would stop if uk leaves the EU. No more fail safe. Do you then trust the likes of Cameron, Clegg, Blair and a bunch of tory unelected biggots sitting in the house of lords to make law for you with no fail safe? I dont like it one bit. On the other hand, some directives that come from brussels are, to say the least, detrimental to your average way of living in the UK. Health and safety, green taxes etc. In regards to trade I do fear that because as you have said, we import more then we export. Once we leave the EU and say the trade agreement collapses, whats stopping those that export to us raising the prices. Where will you then buy your french cheese, and all the other things that have been mentioned? It will be a sellers market because as a buyer UK will have no alternative, but pay or import from further afield. In which case the net effect of higher prices will be an inherent factor. Im no expert but I do not think us leaving the EU is a right idea in the long run. We have helped to bail out spain and greece, might be a good idea if we need bailing out? At the moment it looks like that day might not be too far away. On a personal note, the sooner we get some sort of global government in place the sooner we can start to bring some sort of sanity to the world as a whole. The EU is a good start. Subject48

1:08pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Inform Al says...

Subject48 wrote:
Yeah, more propaganda to get votes. Also I just cant believe you guys still respond to southy.

In regards to the unemployment argument. I daubt any single one of you have ever worked in one of the many factories/werheouses

/packhouses. They are full of immigrants. For good reason.

If you honestly believe that your average british teeneager, who owns the newest iphone his/her family baught them for x mas, will go to one of these slave-driver houses for a long term job you are living in a fantasy.

Truth is, the standard of living in the UK being part of the dole and benefit system is higher than working full time anywhere East of the German boarder.

Now, in these terms, pulling out of the eu for those reasons is ludacris. The only thing this will achieve is to allow huge business to go back to pre eu-expansion practice of employing then illegal immigrants vicariously through agencies with less then legitame reputations.

It worked because these so called "agencies" were nothing short of slave camps threatening deportation if you dont work, and paying you half the minimal wage they recieve from the legitamte business. They then supply them with forged worked permits/visas.

If you argue about brussels taking away the law making ability of UK, I would say you are half right.

In legal terms, because as a EU directive, we have the human rights act, it allows for appeals in legal matters beyound the house of lords.

This would stop if uk leaves the EU. No more fail safe. Do you then trust the likes of Cameron, Clegg, Blair and a bunch of tory unelected biggots sitting in the house of lords to make law for you with no fail safe? I dont like it one bit.

On the other hand, some directives that come from brussels are, to say the least, detrimental to your average way of living in the UK. Health and safety, green taxes etc.

In regards to trade I do fear that because as you have said, we import more then we export. Once we leave the EU and say the trade agreement collapses, whats stopping those that export to us raising the prices.

Where will you then buy your french cheese, and all the other things that have been mentioned? It will be a sellers market because as a buyer UK will have no alternative, but pay or import from further afield. In which case the net effect of higher prices will be an inherent factor.

Im no expert but I do not think us leaving the EU is a right idea in the long run. We have helped to bail out spain and greece, might be a good idea if we need bailing out? At the moment it looks like that day might not be too far away.

On a personal note, the sooner we get some sort of global government in place the sooner we can start to bring some sort of sanity to the world as a whole. The EU is a good start.
So much rubbish in so much space. If we leave the EU we have the choice of buying from Europe, or not. For that reason they will not increase prices or impose tariff, because THEY want the trade. In fact we will be in charge of the situation without wasting millions of pounds every day subsidising the EU.
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: Yeah, more propaganda to get votes. Also I just cant believe you guys still respond to southy. In regards to the unemployment argument. I daubt any single one of you have ever worked in one of the many factories/werheouses /packhouses. They are full of immigrants. For good reason. If you honestly believe that your average british teeneager, who owns the newest iphone his/her family baught them for x mas, will go to one of these slave-driver houses for a long term job you are living in a fantasy. Truth is, the standard of living in the UK being part of the dole and benefit system is higher than working full time anywhere East of the German boarder. Now, in these terms, pulling out of the eu for those reasons is ludacris. The only thing this will achieve is to allow huge business to go back to pre eu-expansion practice of employing then illegal immigrants vicariously through agencies with less then legitame reputations. It worked because these so called "agencies" were nothing short of slave camps threatening deportation if you dont work, and paying you half the minimal wage they recieve from the legitamte business. They then supply them with forged worked permits/visas. If you argue about brussels taking away the law making ability of UK, I would say you are half right. In legal terms, because as a EU directive, we have the human rights act, it allows for appeals in legal matters beyound the house of lords. This would stop if uk leaves the EU. No more fail safe. Do you then trust the likes of Cameron, Clegg, Blair and a bunch of tory unelected biggots sitting in the house of lords to make law for you with no fail safe? I dont like it one bit. On the other hand, some directives that come from brussels are, to say the least, detrimental to your average way of living in the UK. Health and safety, green taxes etc. In regards to trade I do fear that because as you have said, we import more then we export. Once we leave the EU and say the trade agreement collapses, whats stopping those that export to us raising the prices. Where will you then buy your french cheese, and all the other things that have been mentioned? It will be a sellers market because as a buyer UK will have no alternative, but pay or import from further afield. In which case the net effect of higher prices will be an inherent factor. Im no expert but I do not think us leaving the EU is a right idea in the long run. We have helped to bail out spain and greece, might be a good idea if we need bailing out? At the moment it looks like that day might not be too far away. On a personal note, the sooner we get some sort of global government in place the sooner we can start to bring some sort of sanity to the world as a whole. The EU is a good start.[/p][/quote]So much rubbish in so much space. If we leave the EU we have the choice of buying from Europe, or not. For that reason they will not increase prices or impose tariff, because THEY want the trade. In fact we will be in charge of the situation without wasting millions of pounds every day subsidising the EU. Inform Al

3:24pm Mon 28 Jan 13

loosehead says...

Subject48 wrote:
Yeah, more propaganda to get votes. Also I just cant believe you guys still respond to southy.

In regards to the unemployment argument. I daubt any single one of you have ever worked in one of the many factories/werheouses

/packhouses. They are full of immigrants. For good reason.

If you honestly believe that your average british teeneager, who owns the newest iphone his/her family baught them for x mas, will go to one of these slave-driver houses for a long term job you are living in a fantasy.

Truth is, the standard of living in the UK being part of the dole and benefit system is higher than working full time anywhere East of the German boarder.

Now, in these terms, pulling out of the eu for those reasons is ludacris. The only thing this will achieve is to allow huge business to go back to pre eu-expansion practice of employing then illegal immigrants vicariously through agencies with less then legitame reputations.

It worked because these so called "agencies" were nothing short of slave camps threatening deportation if you dont work, and paying you half the minimal wage they recieve from the legitamte business. They then supply them with forged worked permits/visas.

If you argue about brussels taking away the law making ability of UK, I would say you are half right.

In legal terms, because as a EU directive, we have the human rights act, it allows for appeals in legal matters beyound the house of lords.

This would stop if uk leaves the EU. No more fail safe. Do you then trust the likes of Cameron, Clegg, Blair and a bunch of tory unelected biggots sitting in the house of lords to make law for you with no fail safe? I dont like it one bit.

On the other hand, some directives that come from brussels are, to say the least, detrimental to your average way of living in the UK. Health and safety, green taxes etc.

In regards to trade I do fear that because as you have said, we import more then we export. Once we leave the EU and say the trade agreement collapses, whats stopping those that export to us raising the prices.

Where will you then buy your french cheese, and all the other things that have been mentioned? It will be a sellers market because as a buyer UK will have no alternative, but pay or import from further afield. In which case the net effect of higher prices will be an inherent factor.

Im no expert but I do not think us leaving the EU is a right idea in the long run. We have helped to bail out spain and greece, might be a good idea if we need bailing out? At the moment it looks like that day might not be too far away.

On a personal note, the sooner we get some sort of global government in place the sooner we can start to bring some sort of sanity to the world as a whole. The EU is a good start.
What a crass post!
I have worked in those places for one.
As it has been put out that the EU exports more to us than we export to them wouldn't that be financial suicide on the side of the EU?
To impose taxes on our goods & to raise their prices would leave the door wide open to the Asian economies wouldn't it?
If we decided to raise import taxes on EU goods & to use that money to get British Companies up & running producing the same goods who would lose out us or the EU?
the EU will not dare risk losing our trade so get real & let's get the hell out of the EU
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: Yeah, more propaganda to get votes. Also I just cant believe you guys still respond to southy. In regards to the unemployment argument. I daubt any single one of you have ever worked in one of the many factories/werheouses /packhouses. They are full of immigrants. For good reason. If you honestly believe that your average british teeneager, who owns the newest iphone his/her family baught them for x mas, will go to one of these slave-driver houses for a long term job you are living in a fantasy. Truth is, the standard of living in the UK being part of the dole and benefit system is higher than working full time anywhere East of the German boarder. Now, in these terms, pulling out of the eu for those reasons is ludacris. The only thing this will achieve is to allow huge business to go back to pre eu-expansion practice of employing then illegal immigrants vicariously through agencies with less then legitame reputations. It worked because these so called "agencies" were nothing short of slave camps threatening deportation if you dont work, and paying you half the minimal wage they recieve from the legitamte business. They then supply them with forged worked permits/visas. If you argue about brussels taking away the law making ability of UK, I would say you are half right. In legal terms, because as a EU directive, we have the human rights act, it allows for appeals in legal matters beyound the house of lords. This would stop if uk leaves the EU. No more fail safe. Do you then trust the likes of Cameron, Clegg, Blair and a bunch of tory unelected biggots sitting in the house of lords to make law for you with no fail safe? I dont like it one bit. On the other hand, some directives that come from brussels are, to say the least, detrimental to your average way of living in the UK. Health and safety, green taxes etc. In regards to trade I do fear that because as you have said, we import more then we export. Once we leave the EU and say the trade agreement collapses, whats stopping those that export to us raising the prices. Where will you then buy your french cheese, and all the other things that have been mentioned? It will be a sellers market because as a buyer UK will have no alternative, but pay or import from further afield. In which case the net effect of higher prices will be an inherent factor. Im no expert but I do not think us leaving the EU is a right idea in the long run. We have helped to bail out spain and greece, might be a good idea if we need bailing out? At the moment it looks like that day might not be too far away. On a personal note, the sooner we get some sort of global government in place the sooner we can start to bring some sort of sanity to the world as a whole. The EU is a good start.[/p][/quote]What a crass post! I have worked in those places for one. As it has been put out that the EU exports more to us than we export to them wouldn't that be financial suicide on the side of the EU? To impose taxes on our goods & to raise their prices would leave the door wide open to the Asian economies wouldn't it? If we decided to raise import taxes on EU goods & to use that money to get British Companies up & running producing the same goods who would lose out us or the EU? the EU will not dare risk losing our trade so get real & let's get the hell out of the EU loosehead

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