Council U-turn over plans to introduce district centre parking charges (From Daily Echo)

Do it, but sort out some park and ride facilities.

Somewhere at the end of the M3. Make it complimentary or with a break-even price. Another one at Hedge end for drivers coming from the west.

I bet there's some dead industrial space in those sorts of areas.

Fratton Car Park?

It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

How can this be a u-turn,,,,,I saw the proposal with reference to Bitterne charging for parking,,,it's exactly that a proposal,,,,it only becomes a u-turn when councillors vote the proposal through.

Typical anti Labour reporting by the Echo

District centres aren't normally frequented by people coming in on the M3, the demographic is within the city. It might encourage more people to walk though if they are less than half a mile or so from the shops.

10 Minute Man wrote:
District centres aren't normally frequented by people coming in on the M3, the demographic is within the city. It might encourage more people to walk though if they are less than half a mile or so from the shops.

Exactly, I live in Swaythling and usually do the small shopping in Portswood and walk there if not carrying shedloads, when I then take my car.If I have to pay to park in Portswood I will do all the big shops at Tesco's where parking is free.

Chairman Cllr Jeremy Moulton said low-wage workers would park outside the city centre, clogging up residental streets. - What ??? I'm not a low - wage worker but I don't want to pay to park in Bitterne ...

As a resident of Bitterne, as far as I can see introducing a charge for all carparks would just lead to people parking in the surrounding roads for the day.

I am already frustrated on most evenings to come home from work myself & not be able to park anywhere near my own house.

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
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Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
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Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

I never pay to park, if i have to pay then its internet shopping for me.If i cant park at bitterne to use the post office i will drive to Netley instead of giving my hard earned to SCC.

seven777. wrote:
I never pay to park, if i have to pay then its internet shopping for me.If i cant park at bitterne to use the post office i will drive to Netley instead of giving my hard earned to SCC.

Free in Hedge End--park right behind PO!.

This council's made up of t.wats just like the last one and no doubt like the next one. Whichever way we vote we'll still be stuck with 'em!

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

If they had gone ahead with the plan, you would have whinged.

They listened - something Royston Smith and his mob never did - and reversed the decision, and you still whinge.

Let me guess.

You voted Tory?

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

Have you not noticed Tory Cllr. Moulton has joined our socialist comrade Southy?

Tories concerned about the plight of low paid workers?????

Must be true. If you were out this morning you would have also noticed, pigs coming out of that white elephant opposite BBC and started flying.... Smith was riding on the back of one and Hannidies on other.

Outside of the Box wrote:
How can this be a u-turn,,,,,I saw the proposal with reference to Bitterne charging for parking,,,it's exactly that a proposal,,,,it only becomes a u-turn when councillors vote the proposal through.

Typical anti Labour reporting by the Echo

Labour won't be happy till they stop all visitors to the city expectialy in the evenings so I won't be coming into town for a night out.

Madness to even consider parking charges given the state of our High Streets. More and more businesses would close losing the council more money on things like council tax. But thats the thing about Labour administrations, they always get it wrong, remember Gordon Clown and his mate Ed Balls? Darling, the 10p tax fiasco. Ha ha ha ha jokers the lot of em.

People should be discouraged from driving cars wherever and however possible.
Cars are a menace, I dont know why people even bother having legs these days, just look at your local inconvenience store, people are literally trying to park in the doorway they are so lazy.

bigfella777 wrote:
People should be discouraged from driving cars wherever and however possible.
Cars are a menace, I dont know why people even bother having legs these days, just look at your local inconvenience store, people are literally trying to park in the doorway they are so lazy.

You really are a cretin, most of your posts are complete rubbish, so why bother fat boy.

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Do you remember the Labour people calling any change in policy by the Tory council as being a U Turn so why isn't this a U-turn Steve?
Labour are fumbling their way through with no idea where or what they're going to do

miltonarcher wrote:

bigfella777 wrote: People should be discouraged from driving cars wherever and however possible. Cars are a menace, I dont know why people even bother having legs these days, just look at your local inconvenience store, people are literally trying to park in the doorway they are so lazy.

You really are a cretin, most of your posts are complete rubbish, so why bother fat boy.

Nothing fat about about me, I cycle everyday thanks. If I dont like cars why should that leave me open to being called names like cretin, I am entitled to my opinion.
Cars and oil are a disease.

Mark fan for ever wrote:

Outside of the Box wrote:
How can this be a u-turn,,,,,I saw the proposal with reference to Bitterne charging for parking,,,it's exactly that a proposal,,,,it only becomes a u-turn when councillors vote the proposal through.

Typical anti Labour reporting by the Echo

Labour won't be happy till they stop all visitors to the city expectialy in the evenings so I won't be coming into town for a night out.

It was a proposal,,,it not going to happen,,,don't get your knickers in a knot

Pope Paramjit :-)

Paramjit, if you had met Jeremy Moulton you would release he cares for all people in Southampton, that's why he has won 3 elections.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Paramjit, if you had met Jeremy Moulton you would release he cares for all people in Southampton, that's why he has won 3 elections.

He won 3 Elections because he stands in a Tory safe seat.

I use my motorbike to go into town rain or shine. I work in the high street and it will cost mt £10 a day almost to park my car. We only have 2 spaces for our office and have 5 of us with cars. If i need to buy lots then I go with the wife who has a blue badge and park for free. Its stupid parking charges. and most of town you can only have 40mins max unless your in the multistory. and with the bargate shutting im sure that their carpark will go too.

Well done the Council and Asa Thorpe. At last a Council that listens to its people as is needed if a consultation is to have any meaning. Change you mind on the city centre car park charges and we will all applaud - with the exception of the one or two!

Didn't the last council drop car park charges to attract more shoppers into town?
so keeping shops open & saving jobs?

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

-stiv- wrote:
Do it, but sort out some park and ride facilities.

Somewhere at the end of the M3. Make it complimentary or with a break-even price. Another one at Hedge end for drivers coming from the west.

I bet there's some dead industrial space in those sorts of areas.

Yes, it's called the City of Southampton.

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Paramjit, if you had met Jeremy Moulton you would release he cares for all people in Southampton, that's why he has won 3 elections.

He won 3 Elections because he stands in a Tory safe seat.

Southy unlike many politicians in our city when I was out delivering lidl leaflets i would see Moulton knocking doors & talking to people when we were years away from an election.
As I come from the area where his ward is how can you say it's a safe Tory seat?
He has worked hard & shown he has the residents concern at heart unlike Asa Thorpes not speaking out against his wife who berated the very voters that he was suppose to be representing

Mark fan for ever wrote:

Outside of the Box wrote:
How can this be a u-turn,,,,,I saw the proposal with reference to Bitterne charging for parking,,,it's exactly that a proposal,,,,it only becomes a u-turn when councillors vote the proposal through.

Typical anti Labour reporting by the Echo

Labour won't be happy till they stop all visitors to the city expectialy in the evenings so I won't be coming into town for a night out.

Great news if it is keeping the yob element out of the city.

loosehead wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Do you remember the Labour people calling any change in policy by the Tory council as being a U Turn so why isn't this a U-turn Steve?
Labour are fumbling their way through with no idea where or what they're going to do

The big difference is that this was just a proposal that was being considered, and the council LISTENED to the people, something that Royston Smith and his 'born to rule' colleagues did not do.

They made U-turns when they found that, despite warnings from others, they were driving up a cul-de-sac.

You have to admire anybody that is prepared to do a U-Turn in the best interests of the electorate.

The whole point is for people to come up with ideas, get opinions and be prepared to quash those ideas if they deem to be nonsense. Anyone who sees things through to the end just because they won't back down, is just stupid.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Paramjit, if you had met Jeremy Moulton you would release he cares for all people in Southampton, that's why he has won 3 elections.

Your post has made me realise that we should not release Jeremy Moulton.

IronLady2010 wrote:
You have to admire anybody that is prepared to do a U-Turn in the best interests of the electorate.

The whole point is for people to come up with ideas, get opinions and be prepared to quash those ideas if they deem to be nonsense. Anyone who sees things through to the end just because they won't back down, is just stupid.

Ring any bells, Southy?

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

The Tories never listened, that is why the current administration is lumbered with paying for a massive white elephant, and why residents were faced with weeks of not having their refuse collected.

IF they had listened, then it is quite possible that they would not have lost the election.

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

The Tories never listened, that is why the current administration is lumbered with paying for a massive white elephant, and why residents were faced with weeks of not having their refuse collected.

IF they had listened, then it is quite possible that they would not have lost the election.

You can't blame Royston for the Bin mess, that lands on the doorstep of the Union bosses who convinced their members to strike.

As for the White Elephant, I hear it's still doing well?

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

So which proposals did they ditch after listening to the people of Southampton

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
You have to admire anybody that is prepared to do a U-Turn in the best interests of the electorate.

The whole point is for people to come up with ideas, get opinions and be prepared to quash those ideas if they deem to be nonsense. Anyone who sees things through to the end just because they won't back down, is just stupid.

Ring any bells, Southy?

Yes it do the Tory-Con come the Country party, Thatcher being the biggest one in the last 100 years

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

The Tories never listened, that is why the current administration is lumbered with paying for a massive white elephant, and why residents were faced with weeks of not having their refuse collected.

IF they had listened, then it is quite possible that they would not have lost the election.

You can't blame Royston for the Bin mess, that lands on the doorstep of the Union bosses who convinced their members to strike.

As for the White Elephant, I hear it's still doing well?

The bin mess lays firmly on smithy lap, he had plenty off warning over the matter before the strike even started and would not go to the table to talk with the union.

The white Elephant of the Tory Council, is not even going to reach the new lower revise figures, so doing well I don't think so its turning out to be a costly flop for the tax payers.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
You have to admire anybody that is prepared to do a U-Turn in the best interests of the electorate.

The whole point is for people to come up with ideas, get opinions and be prepared to quash those ideas if they deem to be nonsense. Anyone who sees things through to the end just because they won't back down, is just stupid.

Ring any bells, Southy?

Yes it do the Tory-Con come the Country party, Thatcher being the biggest one in the last 100 years

Well done, you managed to mention Thatcher. Now you can take your medication and relax.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

The Tories never listened, that is why the current administration is lumbered with paying for a massive white elephant, and why residents were faced with weeks of not having their refuse collected.

IF they had listened, then it is quite possible that they would not have lost the election.

You can't blame Royston for the Bin mess, that lands on the doorstep of the Union bosses who convinced their members to strike.

As for the White Elephant, I hear it's still doing well?

The bin mess lays firmly on smithy lap, he had plenty off warning over the matter before the strike even started and would not go to the table to talk with the union.

The white Elephant of the Tory Council, is not even going to reach the new lower revise figures, so doing well I don't think so its turning out to be a costly flop for the tax payers.

WRONG, Royston arranged many meetings the Union reps just walked out and refused to listen, this was published both on here and the Union websites. This is why Royston gave several different offers. Don't forget the majority of the workers who went on strike were not to be affected by the cuts in the first place.

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Paramjit, if you had met Jeremy Moulton you would release he cares for all people in Southampton, that's why he has won 3 elections.

He won 3 Elections because he stands in a Tory safe seat.

Southy unlike many politicians in our city when I was out delivering lidl leaflets i would see Moulton knocking doors & talking to people when we were years away from an election.
As I come from the area where his ward is how can you say it's a safe Tory seat?
He has worked hard & shown he has the residents concern at heart unlike Asa Thorpes not speaking out against his wife who berated the very voters that he was suppose to be representing

I though you came from the Millbrook ward which is a ward that switches all the time. and not the Freemantle ward.
Moulton would not stand where he lived because he knew he would have no hope what so ever as this is a Labour safe seat.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

The Tories never listened, that is why the current administration is lumbered with paying for a massive white elephant, and why residents were faced with weeks of not having their refuse collected.

IF they had listened, then it is quite possible that they would not have lost the election.

You can't blame Royston for the Bin mess, that lands on the doorstep of the Union bosses who convinced their members to strike.

As for the White Elephant, I hear it's still doing well?

The bin mess lays firmly on smithy lap, he had plenty off warning over the matter before the strike even started and would not go to the table to talk with the union.

The white Elephant of the Tory Council, is not even going to reach the new lower revise figures, so doing well I don't think so its turning out to be a costly flop for the tax payers.

WRONG, Royston arranged many meetings the Union reps just walked out and refused to listen, this was published both on here and the Union websites. This is why Royston gave several different offers. Don't forget the majority of the workers who went on strike were not to be affected by the cuts in the first place.

Your wrong Smithy refused to sit at the table with the Unions which force the Unions to go on strike in the first place, he ended up being force into the meetings.
What was it when Acas was called in "oh Smith could not make it because of a Holiday on short notice.

Southy, there is no point in me discussing this with you. We both know you will not back down even if I had a written confession from the Union bosses.

What's the score Southy, we've now all been waiting the whole weekend!

Just for the record Southy, many of us followed these strikes.

Royston DID go to the table as did the Union reps, it were the Union reps that walked out as is documented both here and the Union websites.

The Unions 'could' have listened to Royston and fed the info back to their members but they chose not to and instead walked out of the meetings and refused to negotiate, then ACAS was bought in.

The Unions 'chose' not to feed back to their members instead 'chose' to speak and/or act on their behalf during the discussions.

Ask the Bin Men today how they feel, it will be a different story to back in the day!

I don't care; I claim all my parking costs back......off Southampton City Council

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

The Tories never listened, that is why the current administration is lumbered with paying for a massive white elephant, and why residents were faced with weeks of not having their refuse collected.

IF they had listened, then it is quite possible that they would not have lost the election.

You can't blame Royston for the Bin mess, that lands on the doorstep of the Union bosses who convinced their members to strike.

As for the White Elephant, I hear it's still doing well?

The Unions reacted to Royston Smith's actions.

Without the action that he took, the Unions would not have needed to act.

It is usually expressed as, 'Cause and Effect.'

IronLady2010 wrote:
Southy, there is no point in me discussing this with you. We both know you will not back down even if I had a written confession from the Union bosses.

And you do?

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Southy, there is no point in me discussing this with you. We both know you will not back down even if I had a written confession from the Union bosses.

And you do?

I often have! If I make a mistake I admit to it. I am human afterall.

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

The Tories never listened, that is why the current administration is lumbered with paying for a massive white elephant, and why residents were faced with weeks of not having their refuse collected.

IF they had listened, then it is quite possible that they would not have lost the election.

You can't blame Royston for the Bin mess, that lands on the doorstep of the Union bosses who convinced their members to strike.

As for the White Elephant, I hear it's still doing well?

The Unions reacted to Royston Smith's actions.

Without the action that he took, the Unions would not have needed to act.

It is usually expressed as, 'Cause and Effect.'

Yes, they did react to Royston's decisions, you have been very careful with your wording I notice.

This doesn't mean they had the workers interests at heart does it?

Go ask the Bin Men who were the main strikers how they feel right now. Ask them wether they'd do it again.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

The Tories never listened, that is why the current administration is lumbered with paying for a massive white elephant, and why residents were faced with weeks of not having their refuse collected.

IF they had listened, then it is quite possible that they would not have lost the election.

You can't blame Royston for the Bin mess, that lands on the doorstep of the Union bosses who convinced their members to strike.

As for the White Elephant, I hear it's still doing well?

The bin mess lays firmly on smithy lap, he had plenty off warning over the matter before the strike even started and would not go to the table to talk with the union.

The white Elephant of the Tory Council, is not even going to reach the new lower revise figures, so doing well I don't think so its turning out to be a costly flop for the tax payers.

I'm getting really p+ssed off with the rubbish you come out with.
ACAS ring any bells?
it was only when Cllr Williams let slip his plans before the local elections that the unions bothered to actually negotiate & talk to the council.
Southy go back look through the paper releases & you'll see that Royston & the Tory council were offering constructive talks & altered the proposals time & time again only for the Unions to refuse to negotiate.
When you go to ACAS you go with no pre requisites you go to talk the unions set out demands before they would talk so they had no intention of settling the dispute until they had a Labour council pity the people of this city didn't realise this until after the election.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

So which proposals did they ditch after listening to the people of Southampton

To build on top of the Wine Vaults I think it was flats but people got up a petition I for one wrote against it & the Tory council listened to the objections & scrapped the idea it was to get revenue for the Cultural quarter or did you forget that one?

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Paramjit, if you had met Jeremy Moulton you would release he cares for all people in Southampton, that's why he has won 3 elections.

He won 3 Elections because he stands in a Tory safe seat.

Southy unlike many politicians in our city when I was out delivering lidl leaflets i would see Moulton knocking doors & talking to people when we were years away from an election.
As I come from the area where his ward is how can you say it's a safe Tory seat?
He has worked hard & shown he has the residents concern at heart unlike Asa Thorpes not speaking out against his wife who berated the very voters that he was suppose to be representing

I though you came from the Millbrook ward which is a ward that switches all the time. and not the Freemantle ward.
Moulton would not stand where he lived because he knew he would have no hope what so ever as this is a Labour safe seat.

You though? do you mean you thought?
I come from Freshfield rd which is yes MILLBROOK but new people who've moved in around there think it sounds better as Freemantle God only knows why.
I've seen Jeremy Moulton in Foundry Lane talking to people.
I've seen him try to help people in Winchester Rd ( a labour supporter my uncle) he's also offered to help people in the channel isle estate in Lordshill yet all we hear on here is Labour supporters & you slagging him off.
I've never heard Moultons family slag down the people of Freemantle unlike Asa Thorpes wife

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

The Tories never listened, that is why the current administration is lumbered with paying for a massive white elephant, and why residents were faced with weeks of not having their refuse collected.

IF they had listened, then it is quite possible that they would not have lost the election.

You can't blame Royston for the Bin mess, that lands on the doorstep of the Union bosses who convinced their members to strike.

As for the White Elephant, I hear it's still doing well?

The Unions reacted to Royston Smith's actions.

Without the action that he took, the Unions would not have needed to act.

It is usually expressed as, 'Cause and Effect.'

Yes, they did react to Royston's decisions, you have been very careful with your wording I notice.

This doesn't mean they had the workers interests at heart does it?

Go ask the Bin Men who were the main strikers how they feel right now. Ask them wether they'd do it again.

As the Southampton electorate voted out the cause of the problem, they are unlikely to be doing it again, unless the electorate forget life under Royston Smith and vote him back next time.

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

The Tories never listened, that is why the current administration is lumbered with paying for a massive white elephant, and why residents were faced with weeks of not having their refuse collected.

IF they had listened, then it is quite possible that they would not have lost the election.

You can't blame Royston for the Bin mess, that lands on the doorstep of the Union bosses who convinced their members to strike.

As for the White Elephant, I hear it's still doing well?

The Unions reacted to Royston Smith's actions.

Without the action that he took, the Unions would not have needed to act.

It is usually expressed as, 'Cause and Effect.'

Yes, they did react to Royston's decisions, you have been very careful with your wording I notice.

This doesn't mean they had the workers interests at heart does it?

Go ask the Bin Men who were the main strikers how they feel right now. Ask them wether they'd do it again.

As the Southampton electorate voted out the cause of the problem, they are unlikely to be doing it again, unless the electorate forget life under Royston Smith and vote him back next time.

Maybe next time The Unions won't rally up Facebook friends as they've bitten off more than they can chew?

Who knows? Time will tell, but I wouldn't write off Royston just yet!

I'm on the fence when it comes to Politics and was the first to welcome Labour to the Council. But so far they have lied to the electorate, yet I'll still give them time, I believe they have more lies ahead, so am willing to give them time to prove these lies.

Time will tell!

IronLady2010 wrote:
Southy, there is no point in me discussing this with you. We both know you will not back down even if I had a written confession from the Union bosses.

Iron I was there before the strikes started I know who did and who did not want to sit at the table for talks, The unions even had two meetings 3 mths apart for all those concern at the URF church, to debate what to do because the council none the chef exc would sit down for talks, members voted not to strike the first two meeting to give the council the chance to talk, but there was not talks, Smithy just said thats the offer take it or leave it, then on the 3 union meeting the strikes started, Acas was called in by the unions, and what did smithy do go on an unplaned holiday so he would not have to sit at the table .

Big Mac wrote:
What's the score Southy, we've now all been waiting the whole weekend!

yes sorry i got told 121 people turned up, theres 2nd rally demo coming up for portsmouth in a mth or 2

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

StevenGalton wrote:
It was a disgrace Labour even considered these awful plans for residents and most importantly local businesses - especially after they made this manifesto committment:

7. We will review car parking charges in the city centre. This means dropping some prices to encourage use, help business and help city centre residents with parking.

It is worrying that it took businesses pointing out the obvious to Southampton Labour before they were forced in to a re-think - did they really need to be told what a bad move this would have been for our district shopping centres?

The fact they still plan to charge for night time parking in the city centre is a complete contradiction to what they said they would do in the above point - which ironically was under a heading "the best value for your money".

Labour seem intent on breaking one promise after another to the people of Southampton.

Wasnt it a proposal Mr Galton.
.
Hey .... LOOK OUT !!! there will be another bandwagon along in a minute you'd better jump on !!
.
Unless of course Cllr Moulton has taken the last seat

So when the Tories had made proposals but listened to the public so ditched the proposal didn't you call that a U-Turn?
Why don't you open your eyes & see that Labour haven't got a clue.
they made so many promises but the truth is they had no idea how to pay to keep them

The Tories never listened, that is why the current administration is lumbered with paying for a massive white elephant, and why residents were faced with weeks of not having their refuse collected.

IF they had listened, then it is quite possible that they would not have lost the election.

You can't blame Royston for the Bin mess, that lands on the doorstep of the Union bosses who convinced their members to strike.

As for the White Elephant, I hear it's still doing well?

The bin mess lays firmly on smithy lap, he had plenty off warning over the matter before the strike even started and would not go to the table to talk with the union.

The white Elephant of the Tory Council, is not even going to reach the new lower revise figures, so doing well I don't think so its turning out to be a costly flop for the tax payers.

I'm getting really p+ssed off with the rubbish you come out with.
ACAS ring any bells?
it was only when Cllr Williams let slip his plans before the local elections that the unions bothered to actually negotiate & talk to the council.
Southy go back look through the paper releases & you'll see that Royston & the Tory council were offering constructive talks & altered the proposals time & time again only for the Unions to refuse to negotiate.
When you go to ACAS you go with no pre requisites you go to talk the unions set out demands before they would talk so they had no intention of settling the dispute until they had a Labour council pity the people of this city didn't realise this until after the election.

It was the Unions that called in Acas Loose, Smithy did not want any part of it, If you remember the date was set and Smithy took a holiday break with out leaving any commands to the next in line which was Moulton.
I know what Williams said, and it one of those cases where I told you so, We knew what he was going to do once in office. We warned all the union members that he will be

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Paramjit, if you had met Jeremy Moulton you would release he cares for all people in Southampton, that's why he has won 3 elections.

He won 3 Elections because he stands in a Tory safe seat.

Southy unlike many politicians in our city when I was out delivering lidl leaflets i would see Moulton knocking doors & talking to people when we were years away from an election.
As I come from the area where his ward is how can you say it's a safe Tory seat?
He has worked hard & shown he has the residents concern at heart unlike Asa Thorpes not speaking out against his wife who berated the very voters that he was suppose to be representing

I though you came from the Millbrook ward which is a ward that switches all the time. and not the Freemantle ward.
Moulton would not stand where he lived because he knew he would have no hope what so ever as this is a Labour safe seat.

You though? do you mean you thought?
I come from Freshfield rd which is yes MILLBROOK but new people who've moved in around there think it sounds better as Freemantle God only knows why.
I've seen Jeremy Moulton in Foundry Lane talking to people.
I've seen him try to help people in Winchester Rd ( a labour supporter my uncle) he's also offered to help people in the channel isle estate in Lordshill yet all we hear on here is Labour supporters & you slagging him off.
I've never heard Moultons family slag down the people of Freemantle unlike Asa Thorpes wife

Not help the people of lordhill estate not over council business, but i know he do go there to talk to people about the Oasis school that he a governor to, and he also a governor to freemantle school

southy wrote:

Big Mac wrote:
What's the score Southy, we've now all been waiting the whole weekend!

yes sorry i got told 121 people turned up, theres 2nd rally demo coming up for portsmouth in a mth or 2

Assuming the expected attendees would come from Southampton, that number equates to 0.051% of the population if the 2011 census figures from the SCC website are acceptable. With Saturday being the most convenient day for most people to register their feelings, is this low turnout because most people understand the councils position?

If the charges were introduced I would not shop at those locations...

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Paramjit, if you had met Jeremy Moulton you would release he cares for all people in Southampton, that's why he has won 3 elections.

He won 3 Elections because he stands in a Tory safe seat.

Southy unlike many politicians in our city when I was out delivering lidl leaflets i would see Moulton knocking doors & talking to people when we were years away from an election.
As I come from the area where his ward is how can you say it's a safe Tory seat?
He has worked hard & shown he has the residents concern at heart unlike Asa Thorpes not speaking out against his wife who berated the very voters that he was suppose to be representing

I though you came from the Millbrook ward which is a ward that switches all the time. and not the Freemantle ward.
Moulton would not stand where he lived because he knew he would have no hope what so ever as this is a Labour safe seat.

You though? do you mean you thought?
I come from Freshfield rd which is yes MILLBROOK but new people who've moved in around there think it sounds better as Freemantle God only knows why.
I've seen Jeremy Moulton in Foundry Lane talking to people.
I've seen him try to help people in Winchester Rd ( a labour supporter my uncle) he's also offered to help people in the channel isle estate in Lordshill yet all we hear on here is Labour supporters & you slagging him off.
I've never heard Moultons family slag down the people of Freemantle unlike Asa Thorpes wife

Not help the people of lordhill estate not over council business, but i know he do go there to talk to people about the Oasis school that he a governor to, and he also a governor to freemantle school

Well I can call you a liar Southy.
I live here I attended a residents meeting in which Moulton attended,I know he offered help & the conversation was Oaklands swimming pool,new housing on Redbridge Lane so exactly where did the school come into it?
If you know the rules governing ACAS both sides have to agree to talks or ACAS won't mediate so the Tories agreed to talks but the first date given was a date when a holiday had been paid for so it was not as if Royston refused to talk but Labour did refuse to talk until all their demands were met.
this kinda defeats the object of ACAS as they're there to try to bring the sides together .
It was the Unions that prolonged the dispute it was Unite that agreed with the council & Unison to a deal & then when the talks had finished reneged on the agreement.
but aren't those Unions into the TUSC

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Paramjit, if you had met Jeremy Moulton you would release he cares for all people in Southampton, that's why he has won 3 elections.

He won 3 Elections because he stands in a Tory safe seat.

Southy unlike many politicians in our city when I was out delivering lidl leaflets i would see Moulton knocking doors & talking to people when we were years away from an election.
As I come from the area where his ward is how can you say it's a safe Tory seat?
He has worked hard & shown he has the residents concern at heart unlike Asa Thorpes not speaking out against his wife who berated the very voters that he was suppose to be representing

I though you came from the Millbrook ward which is a ward that switches all the time. and not the Freemantle ward.
Moulton would not stand where he lived because he knew he would have no hope what so ever as this is a Labour safe seat.

You though? do you mean you thought?
I come from Freshfield rd which is yes MILLBROOK but new people who've moved in around there think it sounds better as Freemantle God only knows why.
I've seen Jeremy Moulton in Foundry Lane talking to people.
I've seen him try to help people in Winchester Rd ( a labour supporter my uncle) he's also offered to help people in the channel isle estate in Lordshill yet all we hear on here is Labour supporters & you slagging him off.
I've never heard Moultons family slag down the people of Freemantle unlike Asa Thorpes wife

Not help the people of lordhill estate not over council business, but i know he do go there to talk to people about the Oasis school that he a governor to, and he also a governor to freemantle school

Well I can call you a liar Southy.
I live here I attended a residents meeting in which Moulton attended,I know he offered help & the conversation was Oaklands swimming pool,new housing on Redbridge Lane so exactly where did the school come into it?
If you know the rules governing ACAS both sides have to agree to talks or ACAS won't mediate so the Tories agreed to talks but the first date given was a date when a holiday had been paid for so it was not as if Royston refused to talk but Labour did refuse to talk until all their demands were met.
this kinda defeats the object of ACAS as they're there to try to bring the sides together .
It was the Unions that prolonged the dispute it was Unite that agreed with the council & Unison to a deal & then when the talks had finished reneged on the agreement.
but aren't those Unions into the TUSC

My understanding is that either side can call in ACAS, and they are the ones that arrange, or attempt to arrange talks when deadlock appears to have been reached. That is what would appear to have been the case in this instance.

If both sides had agreed to talk, I fail to see that there would be a need for the services of ACAS.

You people... No wonder people like Huhne and Moran get away with so much.

It beggars belief how far you lot are bigoted. Sling feces at each other calling names and jump around like the monkeys in the commons.

If you lot cant agree to come to some sort of a constructive debate about positive solutions without resorting back to the pointless name calling and blame game on a stupid forum, how can you expect government to?

Subject48 wrote:
You people... No wonder people like Huhne and Moran get away with so much.

It beggars belief how far you lot are bigoted. Sling feces at each other calling names and jump around like the monkeys in the commons.

If you lot cant agree to come to some sort of a constructive debate about positive solutions without resorting back to the pointless name calling and blame game on a stupid forum, how can you expect government to?

.. couldn't agree more. This petty tribalism is pathetic.

Anyone with out a political alliance looked into the beginning & continuing Dispute between two unions & a Tory council which the Unions had stated they would do all they could to oust.
where meetings were called for only for the Unions to say no cuts,hit the banks & when the Council said put up real alternatives so we can keep jobs & services the Unions said " not our job"
so 5 proposals later & the Unions sticking to the No hit the banks the council was in the position of not having enough finances to run the services unless action was taken the council took that action exactly what they wanted.
also it was the council that called in ACAS not the Unions & if Southy was indeed at all those meetings( WHY? He's not a councillor or a union convenor so why would he be there?)
those unaligned can only see it for what it was a political strike.the workers were advised by Unite not to accept the last deal which Unite had agreed on.
if your not effected by the cut in pay which many refuse workers weren't why continue to strike when only the top paid would be effected?
because of the promise of pay outs after the legal action wasn't it?
Then as soon as Labour get in after being in talks with the council Knowing about the proposed 1-10 job cuts the unions put the deal to their members without telling them of the job cuts so out goes their pay outs no wage increase for many council tax increases for those who never took a pay cut & then shock horror the council say unless the grant the Tories applied for which Labour increased gets approved 1-10 refuse jobs to go?
You all bang on about the Evil Tories but look at it properly it's Labour & the Unions who've shafted the workers & the people of this city.
I said they were going to charge for car parks I got called a liar & told to prove it?
It was in an article from Asa Thorpe so why didn't the Labour lovers know about it & any apologies forth coming to me?