Hospital admits failing to care for cancer sufferer (From Daily Echo)

Too busy ticking boxes or counting beans to actually indulge in caring for people and even fulfilling their basic needs like food and water. Is this a hospital or a Victorian prison?

Yet again 'lessons have been learned' when they patently have not. I am increasingly wondering why I pay tax for this shambles.

My condolencies for this family's unnecesssary loss.

Cerdicjute wrote:
Too busy ticking boxes or counting beans to actually indulge in caring for people and even fulfilling their basic needs like food and water. Is this a hospital or a Victorian prison?

Yet again 'lessons have been learned' when they patently have not. I am increasingly wondering why I pay tax for this shambles.

My condolencies for this family's unnecesssary loss.

Box ticking & bean counting = The Department of Health, Monitor, CQC, Confed, NAPC, etc etc etc

lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

I heard on the radio.." The British are awful at asking for care when it comes to cancer. Must be the stiff upper lip".

What a load of cods-wallop. We ask for care...We are just too frightened NOW..What it might be.

Terrible shame should never have happened.

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

The Daily Mail's comments section is missing a gullible idiot.

cantthinkofone wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

The Daily Mail's comments section is missing a gullible idiot.

three words liverpool care pathway.

My thoughts and condolences are with the family, this is nothing short of a disgusting shambles, when you are in hospital you expect or i would hope you would get the best treatment possible, if I were the relatives of this poor man i wouldnt leave it there id take it further

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

The Daily Mail's comments section is missing a gullible idiot.

three words liverpool care pathway.

Exactly.

Dance to the journalists' merry tune arthur, dance. :-)

I am very concerned regarding this tragic story. In my view this all points to a liverpool care pathway termination gone wrong, and a cover up taking place when the family stumbled across the truth. All the elements of a pathway killing are there.Withdrawal of medication,food and fluids till the patients death. It is clear the hospital administration have lost control and are acting irresponsibly by continuing with this governments euthanasia program. I hope this grieving family take this matter to the police for investigation and justice for the death of Nigel James.

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.

This is yet again a sad story about the poor standard of care to patients, and the usual response of how it the “hospital failed to meet the high standards of care”. The poor care and falling standards happens quite often in this and many other hospitals. They then undertake a comprehensive review to insure this does not happen again. But it will continue until the management take complaints seriously and take action against the staff that is not up to standard. I was a patient in this hospital in 2006 and received extremely poor care at the hands of nurses that were not interested in taking care of the patient. I complained to the hospital and the Health Care Commission at the time. Among the promises made at the time,” a recruitment drive of Nurses to replace the 11 nurses they were short of on the ward.” “Better training for staff of the importance of communications between staff and the patient.” “Better patient care, by staff and to recognise the importance patient note keeping and drug charts and to take better care of recording information, and many others. The wide scale changes have been made now according to the hospital, these are the same changes made when I made my complaint, so don’t hold your breath.

freefinker wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.

take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.

Scorpio1155 wrote:
This is yet again a sad story about the poor standard of care to patients, and the usual response of how it the “hospital failed to meet the high standards of care”. The poor care and falling standards happens quite often in this and many other hospitals. They then undertake a comprehensive review to insure this does not happen again. But it will continue until the management take complaints seriously and take action against the staff that is not up to standard. I was a patient in this hospital in 2006 and received extremely poor care at the hands of nurses that were not interested in taking care of the patient. I complained to the hospital and the Health Care Commission at the time. Among the promises made at the time,” a recruitment drive of Nurses to replace the 11 nurses they were short of on the ward.” “Better training for staff of the importance of communications between staff and the patient.” “Better patient care, by staff and to recognise the importance patient note keeping and drug charts and to take better care of recording information, and many others. The wide scale changes have been made now according to the hospital, these are the same changes made when I made my complaint, so don’t hold your breath.

An entirely reasonable post, especially in contrast to some of the sectionable rubbish above.

The truth of the matter is that the NHS treats millions of people (literally) every year. Given that, it's virtually impossible that no one will receive substandard care. Someone, somewhere, will slip up on the job, or forget why they wanted to be in a caring profession, or just be plain rubbish but manage to slip through the net.

That's not to say any of us should shrug and 'accept' it. Quite the opposite. Complaining as you did is definitely the right course of action, as is media coverage like this story. I wish I'd complained properly when one of my relatives was on a compassionless ward in Dorset. The NHS should be constantly striving to eliminate this stuff. But I don't think it's realistic to be *surprised* when it turns out that errors are still made. With a sample size in the millions, and humans being the imperfect things they are, a perfect score isn't really conceivable.

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

freefinker wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.

take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.

You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.

peter sowerby wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

freefinker wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.

take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.

You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.

please ,you will get me all upset , this page is for opinions on echo articles , you are very safe from bullies hiding behind you,re keyboard ,don,t have nightmares ........... you might wake up in that khazi one day.

I’m afraid that there are a great many rubbish Nurses both in the NHS and in private Nursing care homes. Once upon a time Nurses and all NHS staff were caring and could not do enough for their patients. That was because Nurses were well trained on the wards by High quality Nurses. Most of the good Nurses were driven out of the NHS from about 2004 onwards to be replaced by lower paid nurses from other country’s that were not as well trained, with different views on looking after patients. There are a lot of commentators that like to say that we have to import from abroad because no one wants to do this type of work. So they excuse the way that many now behave.
There are indeed a great many Nurses and other NHS staff that do a fantastic job and care very much about patients. I know and have met some great staff, but they are let down by a large number of poor ones. If you carried out a survey with staff and asked if they would like to be treated at the SGH, then most would say no.
The Management at this hospital will do all they can to sweep it under the carpet and hope that no one will notice until someone pushes them into action.

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

peter sowerby wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

freefinker wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.

take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.

You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.

please ,you will get me all upset , this page is for opinions on echo articles , you are very safe from bullies hiding behind you,re keyboard ,don,t have nightmares ........... you might wake up in that khazi one day.

True, you always know you've got one on your back when you put a dot in the wrong place. The problem is they stop some people posting their viewpoint on posts like these, or they get bullied off the post.

peter sowerby wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

peter sowerby wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

freefinker wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.

take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.

You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.

please ,you will get me all upset , this page is for opinions on echo articles , you are very safe from bullies hiding behind you,re keyboard ,don,t have nightmares ........... you might wake up in that khazi one day.

True, you always know you've got one on your back when you put a dot in the wrong place. The problem is they stop some people posting their viewpoint on posts like these, or they get bullied off the post.

yes , they can,t stand that lots of people are disgusted at what goes on in that place , and the cover ups continue ,year in ,year out ,the time for whistleblowers to step foward is long overdue , the bullies job is to keep the pressure on them.

peter sowerby wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

freefinker wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.

take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.

You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.

Inverse snobbery, love it. Bravo.

Scorpio1155 wrote:
I’m afraid that there are a great many rubbish Nurses both in the NHS and in private Nursing care homes. Once upon a time Nurses and all NHS staff were caring and could not do enough for their patients. That was because Nurses were well trained on the wards by High quality Nurses. Most of the good Nurses were driven out of the NHS from about 2004 onwards to be replaced by lower paid nurses from other country’s that were not as well trained, with different views on looking after patients. There are a lot of commentators that like to say that we have to import from abroad because no one wants to do this type of work. So they excuse the way that many now behave.
There are indeed a great many Nurses and other NHS staff that do a fantastic job and care very much about patients. I know and have met some great staff, but they are let down by a large number of poor ones. If you carried out a survey with staff and asked if they would like to be treated at the SGH, then most would say no.
The Management at this hospital will do all they can to sweep it under the carpet and hope that no one will notice until someone pushes them into action.

The "we have to import from abroad" bit is true.

Personally, I don't think that's an acceptable reason though. Nurses get paid WAY too little. A young man or woman can be in charge of a 30 bed ward of acutely ill patients, responsible for the lives of 30 people every day, and be paid not much more than £25k. Assistant mangers in McDonalds get more than that. Given that they also have to put up with the behaviour of doctors and managers on top of this, as well as slogging through a mountain of paperwork, I'm not surprised it's hard to find willing boys and girls!

Those wages are set by the government though, who are doing all they can right now to grind the NHS in to the ground so that they have a good excuse to invite their private sector friends in to come 'rescue' it. It's ENTIRELY deliberate, and a core part of their party's ideology - private good, public bad.

Everything that could go wrong with an hospital administration, policies and procedures happened at the SGH that day. You have one dead patient and a grieving family looking for answers and getting nothing but a withering apology from some administrator. Can somebody of authority please get into that hospital and tell them its filthy, understaffed and it's policies and procedures on patient care are not fit for purpose.

You should do it peter. Or even get a job working there! You could sort it out peter!

Just noticed your use of apostrophes in *its* and *it's*... lol

As Roy Walker used to say - "It's good, but it's not right."

cantthinkofone wrote:

peter sowerby wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

freefinker wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

1) no space after last letter and a question mark.
2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe.
3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t.
4) space after comma.
5) no space after last letter and a comma.
6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.

take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.

You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.

Inverse snobbery, love it. Bravo.

yes ,manchester breeds those sort of back alley pseudo intellectual brats.

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

You ignorant imbecile. Whilst I would not seek to defend the General Hospital in this case, the care, compassion and expertise shown to me during my hour of need was truly magnificent. They saved my life, they truly did.

*whoosh*

That the sound it makes.

The "we have to import from abroad" bit is true.

Personally, I don't think that's an acceptable reason though. Nurses get paid WAY too little. A young man or woman can be in charge of a 30 bed ward of acutely ill patients, responsible for the lives of 30 people every day, and be paid not much more than £25k. Assistant mangers in McDonalds get more than that. Given that they also have to put up with the behaviour of doctors and managers on top of this, as well as slogging through a mountain of paperwork, I'm not surprised it's hard to find willing boys and girls!

Those wages are set by the government though, who are doing all they can right now to grind the NHS in to the ground so that they have a good excuse to invite their private sector friends in to come 'rescue' it. It's ENTIRELY deliberate, and a core part of their party's ideology - private good, public bad.

I agree that some Nurses are poorly paid and over worked but that is no excuse for poor treatment to patients. If fact some of the poorest paid are actually better caring staff. Some of the worst (not all) Nurses are fast tract into senior posts with a good rate of pay. Some Nurses have to put up from interfering Managers that no nothing about the real work carried out on the ward. This problem is not new and has been around long before this government came to power. In 2004 the then Labour government aided and abetted by the unions, screwed the NHS with its agenda for change which lowered many of the wages of NHS staff. They also cut back the funds for the NHS.

cantthinkofone wrote:

Scorpio1155 wrote:
I’m afraid that there are a great many rubbish Nurses both in the NHS and in private Nursing care homes. Once upon a time Nurses and all NHS staff were caring and could not do enough for their patients. That was because Nurses were well trained on the wards by High quality Nurses. Most of the good Nurses were driven out of the NHS from about 2004 onwards to be replaced by lower paid nurses from other country’s that were not as well trained, with different views on looking after patients. There are a lot of commentators that like to say that we have to import from abroad because no one wants to do this type of work. So they excuse the way that many now behave.
There are indeed a great many Nurses and other NHS staff that do a fantastic job and care very much about patients. I know and have met some great staff, but they are let down by a large number of poor ones. If you carried out a survey with staff and asked if they would like to be treated at the SGH, then most would say no.
The Management at this hospital will do all they can to sweep it under the carpet and hope that no one will notice until someone pushes them into action.

The "we have to import from abroad" bit is true.

Personally, I don't think that's an acceptable reason though. Nurses get paid WAY too little. A young man or woman can be in charge of a 30 bed ward of acutely ill patients, responsible for the lives of 30 people every day, and be paid not much more than £25k. Assistant mangers in McDonalds get more than that. Given that they also have to put up with the behaviour of doctors and managers on top of this, as well as slogging through a mountain of paperwork, I'm not surprised it's hard to find willing boys and girls!

Those wages are set by the government though, who are doing all they can right now to grind the NHS in to the ground so that they have a good excuse to invite their private sector friends in to come 'rescue' it. It's ENTIRELY deliberate, and a core part of their party's ideology - private good, public bad.

I agree that some Nurses are poorly paid and over worked but that is no excuse for poor treatment to patients. If fact some of the poorest paid are actually better caring staff. Some of the worst (not all) Nurses are fast tract into senior posts with a good rate of pay. Some Nurses have to put up from interfering Managers that no nothing about the real work carried out on the ward. This problem is not new and has been around long before this government came to power. In 2004 the then Labour government aided and abetted by the unions, screwed the NHS with its agenda for change which lowered many of the wages of NHS staff. They also cut back the funds for the NHS.”

Scorpio1155 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Scorpio1155 wrote:
I’m afraid that there are a great many rubbish Nurses both in the NHS and in private Nursing care homes. Once upon a time Nurses and all NHS staff were caring and could not do enough for their patients. That was because Nurses were well trained on the wards by High quality Nurses. Most of the good Nurses were driven out of the NHS from about 2004 onwards to be replaced by lower paid nurses from other country’s that were not as well trained, with different views on looking after patients. There are a lot of commentators that like to say that we have to import from abroad because no one wants to do this type of work. So they excuse the way that many now behave.
There are indeed a great many Nurses and other NHS staff that do a fantastic job and care very much about patients. I know and have met some great staff, but they are let down by a large number of poor ones. If you carried out a survey with staff and asked if they would like to be treated at the SGH, then most would say no.
The Management at this hospital will do all they can to sweep it under the carpet and hope that no one will notice until someone pushes them into action.

The "we have to import from abroad" bit is true.

Personally, I don't think that's an acceptable reason though. Nurses get paid WAY too little. A young man or woman can be in charge of a 30 bed ward of acutely ill patients, responsible for the lives of 30 people every day, and be paid not much more than £25k. Assistant mangers in McDonalds get more than that. Given that they also have to put up with the behaviour of doctors and managers on top of this, as well as slogging through a mountain of paperwork, I'm not surprised it's hard to find willing boys and girls!

Those wages are set by the government though, who are doing all they can right now to grind the NHS in to the ground so that they have a good excuse to invite their private sector friends in to come 'rescue' it. It's ENTIRELY deliberate, and a core part of their party's ideology - private good, public bad.

I agree that some Nurses are poorly paid and over worked but that is no excuse for poor treatment to patients. If fact some of the poorest paid are actually better caring staff. Some of the worst (not all) Nurses are fast tract into senior posts with a good rate of pay. Some Nurses have to put up from interfering Managers that no nothing about the real work carried out on the ward. This problem is not new and has been around long before this government came to power. In 2004 the then Labour government aided and abetted by the unions, screwed the NHS with its agenda for change which lowered many of the wages of NHS staff. They also cut back the funds for the NHS.”

I agree that Labour have morphed into tory-lite. Sadly.

cantthinkofone wrote:
Just noticed your use of apostrophes in *its* and *it's*... lol

As Roy Walker used to say - "It's good, but it's not right."

.. sinful pointing that out, apparently.

‘self styled intellectual bullies’.
‘brainwashed creep’
‘bullies hiding behind you,re keyboard’ – apostrophe, NOT comma.
‘they stop some people posting their viewpoint’.

Gosh, all that and more for pointing out a few punctuation errors.

peter sowerby wrote:
I am very concerned regarding this tragic story. In my view this all points to a liverpool care pathway termination gone wrong, and a cover up taking place when the family stumbled across the truth. All the elements of a pathway killing are there.Withdrawal of medication,food and fluids till the patients death. It is clear the hospital administration have lost control and are acting irresponsibly by continuing with this governments euthanasia program. I hope this grieving family take this matter to the police for investigation and justice for the death of Nigel James.

more liverpool care pathway drivel, you just spout nonsense Peter

peter sowerby wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

freefinker wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

-stiv- wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote: lies and cover up are the order of the day there ,whatever that place is ? it is,nt a hospital in any sense of the word,close it down.

Yeah, close it down. We'll just throw the sick and dying of Southampton into a deep pit.

they are being thrown in a pit now ,do you live under a rock ?

1) no space after last letter and a question mark. 2) the comma is NOT the apostrophe. 3) the apostrophe goes between the n and t. 4) space after comma. 5) no space after last letter and a comma. 6) you don't 'arf talk a load of rubbish as well.

take no grammar lessons from a brainwashed creep like you , we are talking about the disgusting exscuse for a hospital in the article , if i need any english lessons i,ll let you know ,now,do one.

You meet these self styled intellectual bullies who have nothing to add to the post or discussion. They are pathetic.

at least we don't tell lies Peter

I understand and accept the constraints of providing any public service. However, despite my empathy for hospital staff, I do not accept a level of service that failed to meet the most basic reason for the organisation's existence. In this case it was to provide competent healthcare which necessarilly included addressing immediate and acute pain management.
In this basic purpose it failed absolutely and entirely. Perhaps mitigation may be that junior or relief staff were in attendance, that the budget did not permit more expensive experienced staff, that specialists hours of public hospital work was limited etc etc. However, if these factors resulted in this man suffering inexcusable pain, his family and friends suffering enormous anxiety and mental health issues and the public suffering yet another lack of confidence then the mitigating circumstances are irrelevant.
It matters nought that correct diagnosis and pain relief would not have altered the man's prognosis. The reality is the entire system failed this man, his family and the public.
The hospital administrators and the relevant Govt and political mandarins who permitted this systemic failure must now pay the price - dismissal or demotion.
Similarly the health system breached its most basic Duty of Care to the patient and his family resulting in inexcusable apin and indignities for the patient and mental anguish for his family. For these most basic failures the health system must also be held accountable and be liable for very substantial monetary compensations to the affected parties.
Dismissals, demotions and compensation are the minimum requirements which must run parrallel with significant structural and attitudinal change within the hospital system.
I hope the man's family have access to a highly competent firm of solicitors.

In my view this was a liverpool care pathway patient termination cover up. Mr James clearly knew his care,treatment and medication was seriously wrong before he died. His family also knew. The hospital has got away with just an internal investigation and walked away from any justice or responsibility for his death. There should now be a police investigation into the circumstances of Mr James death.I believe there is an uncontrolled criminal caviller attitude towards the care pathway government euthanasia program at the SGH, and it should be halted immediately until the governments review on LCP policies and procedures is published in the summer.

cantthinkofone wrote:
You should do it peter. Or even get a job working there! You could sort it out peter!

I did years ago, for 27 years when we kept patients alive, SRN/SEN nurses that cared for patients at the bedside and not in a university classroom. Great porters and domestic staff that kept the hospital spotless, fantastic theatre sisters and staff and a good solid administration that did its job. Bring back the good old days.

Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago
http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/yoursay/lette
rs/10177935.Is_hospi
tal_still_using_Path
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Usual made up stories

Mr James did not know about his care, treatment and medication relating to the DVT and PE because it was not discussed with him or the family.Hence he died in the manner in which he did. No choices and no informed decisions. The family took steps to safeguard Mr James by escorting him down to the radiology department by which time it was too late.

peter sowerby wrote:
In my view this was a liverpool care pathway patient termination cover up. Mr James clearly knew his care,treatment and medication was seriously wrong before he died. His family also knew. The hospital has got away with just an internal investigation and walked away from any justice or responsibility for his death. There should now be a police investigation into the circumstances of Mr James death.I believe there is an uncontrolled criminal caviller attitude towards the care pathway government euthanasia program at the SGH, and it should be halted immediately until the governments review on LCP policies and procedures is published in the summer.

Yes, but you're utterly hatstand so your 'view' isn't really very important.

This was clearly an awful case and there were a number of failings by the hospital. Please stop trying to shoehorn it into your paranoid delusional crusade.

Seek help, seriously. Several people have advised you that you're probably quite unwell.

peter sowerby wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote: You should do it peter. Or even get a job working there! You could sort it out peter!

I did years ago, for 27 years when we kept patients alive, SRN/SEN nurses that cared for patients at the bedside and not in a university classroom. Great porters and domestic staff that kept the hospital spotless, fantastic theatre sisters and staff and a good solid administration that did its job. Bring back the good old days.

So Peter, let’s get this right you are saying that all staff in the “good old days” are much better than those that are working now. Oh Peter you know how to get a crowd on your side.

I tell you what I do know liverpool care pathway is euthanasia, and in the law of this land is murder.

****-Biker wrote:

peter sowerby wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote: You should do it peter. Or even get a job working there! You could sort it out peter!

I did years ago, for 27 years when we kept patients alive, SRN/SEN nurses that cared for patients at the bedside and not in a university classroom. Great porters and domestic staff that kept the hospital spotless, fantastic theatre sisters and staff and a good solid administration that did its job. Bring back the good old days.

So Peter, let’s get this right you are saying that all staff in the “good old days” are much better than those that are working now. Oh Peter you know how to get a crowd on your side.

The answer to that is yes. In those days it was caring not killing and not the other way around. There was no LCP and patients could have confidence they would not be murdered unaware in their sick beds.

****-Biker wrote:
Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago
http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/yoursay/lette

rs/10177935.Is_hospi

tal_still_using_Path

way_scheme_/

Usual made up stories

You seem to know a lot? Tell me how many LCP killings have taken place since the Quality Health Commission exposed the SGH administration as not fit to provide basic health welfare and care to patients. Bet you are on the SGH damage limitation team?Your working very hard to dodge the truth, but justice is catching up with you very quickly.

peter sowerby wrote:

****-Biker wrote: Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/yoursay/lette rs/10177935.Is_hospi tal_still_using_Path way_scheme_/ Usual made up stories

You seem to know a lot? Tell me how many LCP killings have taken place since the Quality Health Commission exposed the SGH administration as not fit to provide basic health welfare and care to patients. Bet you are on the SGH damage limitation team?Your working very hard to dodge the truth, but justice is catching up with you very quickly.

There has been no Killings Peter and you know that, there are failings that have been flagged up and I am sure the SGH management will work on those failings.
No, I don’t work for the SGH and I am not dodging any truth Peter as I have countered all of your postings since early January, “pathway –the facts “ and your letter that was posted about the Liverpool care pathway a few weeks ago, go ahead and check

peter sowerby wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

peter sowerby wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote: You should do it peter. Or even get a job working there! You could sort it out peter!

I did years ago, for 27 years when we kept patients alive, SRN/SEN nurses that cared for patients at the bedside and not in a university classroom. Great porters and domestic staff that kept the hospital spotless, fantastic theatre sisters and staff and a good solid administration that did its job. Bring back the good old days.

So Peter, let’s get this right you are saying that all staff in the “good old days” are much better than those that are working now. Oh Peter you know how to get a crowd on your side.

The answer to that is yes. In those days it was caring not killing and not the other way around. There was no LCP and patients could have confidence they would not be murdered unaware in their sick beds.

I think that’s a bit of an insult to those working at the SGH I personally find the people working there are quite a dedicated and hard working group of people. Your point about Murder and Killing is more of your silly nonsense

peter sowerby wrote:

****-Biker wrote:
Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago
http://www.dailyecho


.co.uk/yoursay/lette


rs/10177935.Is_hospi


tal_still_using_Path


way_scheme_/

Usual made up stories

You seem to know a lot? Tell me how many LCP killings have taken place since the Quality Health Commission exposed the SGH administration as not fit to provide basic health welfare and care to patients. Bet you are on the SGH damage limitation team?Your working very hard to dodge the truth, but justice is catching up with you very quickly.

I love how everyone that disagrees with you is automatically part of some NHS conspiracy spin squad...!

****-Biker wrote:

peter sowerby wrote:

****-Biker wrote: Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/yoursay/lette rs/10177935.Is_hospi tal_still_using_Path way_scheme_/ Usual made up stories

You seem to know a lot? Tell me how many LCP killings have taken place since the Quality Health Commission exposed the SGH administration as not fit to provide basic health welfare and care to patients. Bet you are on the SGH damage limitation team?Your working very hard to dodge the truth, but justice is catching up with you very quickly.

There has been no Killings Peter and you know that, there are failings that have been flagged up and I am sure the SGH management will work on those failings.
No, I don’t work for the SGH and I am not dodging any truth Peter as I have countered all of your postings since early January, “pathway –the facts “ and your letter that was posted about the Liverpool care pathway a few weeks ago, go ahead and check

I do not agree that this was murder and Peter is wrong to make these statements. This tragedy was caused by gross negligence by staffs who were supposed to be looking after this man. The staff responsible for this should pay the price, but they will not. Peter is correct when he says that the hospital will get away with it, an internal investigation dose nothing to stop this from happening again. Unfortunately no one is really interested in doing anything about it. ****-Baker, you state that you believe the management will work on the failings that have been flagged up and will work on those failings, but as this happens a lot more then you may think it does, it will just be forgotten within days. The SGH made the same promises to improve these same complaints after I was on the receiving end of very poor care. I also know a number of others that have been on the receiving end.
Peter is also correct about the difference between the time that he worked at the SGH and what has happened to the SGH over the last 8-10 years. That is not to say that all staff is bad because they are not. However there is a large number of lazy and incompetent staff. I have family that work in this hospital and other hospitals, I also know a great many staff that are excellent and give high quality care, but they will also agree that there is a problem. I worked at this hospital for a very long time and have had fist hand experience as both a staff member and patient.
You are right to say that the murder point is silly nonsense and Peter should stop because he knows that this is not the case.

Scorpio1155 wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

peter sowerby wrote:

****-Biker wrote: Peter I noticed that you posted a letetr a few weeks ago http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/yoursay/lette rs/10177935.Is_hospi tal_still_using_Path way_scheme_/ Usual made up stories

You seem to know a lot? Tell me how many LCP killings have taken place since the Quality Health Commission exposed the SGH administration as not fit to provide basic health welfare and care to patients. Bet you are on the SGH damage limitation team?Your working very hard to dodge the truth, but justice is catching up with you very quickly.

There has been no Killings Peter and you know that, there are failings that have been flagged up and I am sure the SGH management will work on those failings. No, I don’t work for the SGH and I am not dodging any truth Peter as I have countered all of your postings since early January, “pathway –the facts “ and your letter that was posted about the Liverpool care pathway a few weeks ago, go ahead and check

I do not agree that this was murder and Peter is wrong to make these statements. This tragedy was caused by gross negligence by staffs who were supposed to be looking after this man. The staff responsible for this should pay the price, but they will not. Peter is correct when he says that the hospital will get away with it, an internal investigation dose nothing to stop this from happening again. Unfortunately no one is really interested in doing anything about it. ****-Baker, you state that you believe the management will work on the failings that have been flagged up and will work on those failings, but as this happens a lot more then you may think it does, it will just be forgotten within days. The SGH made the same promises to improve these same complaints after I was on the receiving end of very poor care. I also know a number of others that have been on the receiving end. Peter is also correct about the difference between the time that he worked at the SGH and what has happened to the SGH over the last 8-10 years. That is not to say that all staff is bad because they are not. However there is a large number of lazy and incompetent staff. I have family that work in this hospital and other hospitals, I also know a great many staff that are excellent and give high quality care, but they will also agree that there is a problem. I worked at this hospital for a very long time and have had fist hand experience as both a staff member and patient. You are right to say that the murder point is silly nonsense and Peter should stop because he knows that this is not the case.

Peter’s made the point that “all” staff in his day were better than those working there now which is not true. I am sure back in his day they had their proportion of “dead wood”

You only have to look here and see that qualified NHS staff including staff from the SGH doesn’t get away with it.
http://www.nmc-uk.or
g/Hearings/Hearings-
and-outcomes/

If you have a problem with your care then if management won’t do anything about it then report it to the CQC and they will look into for you