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Southampton City Council chiefs could slash thousands from Hythe Ferry subsidy
10:00am Saturday 2nd February 2013 in News
By Julian Robinson, Eastleigh Chief Reporter
The Hythe Ferry
OPERATORS of a popular ferry route have pledged to stay afloat after civic chiefs announced plans to slash thousands of pounds in subsidies.
Hythe Ferry, which links the Waterside with Southampton, relies on £50,000 in taxpayer-funded handouts every year.
But up to £7,000 of that could be sunk without trace if Southampton City Council goes ahead with planned efficiency savings for next year.
The remainder of the grant comes from Hampshire County Council, and the authority has ringfenced its share of the cash.
Ferry director Peter Lay said: “It is unhelpful and the money is important.
“But we have been running the service through two world wars and the Great Depression and I am sure that we can weather the difficult economic climate we are facing.
“I would say to people please, please, please consider using the ferry whenever they can.”
About 500,000 people use the service every year, with subsidies accounting for about one passenger per crossing.
Councillor Warwick Payne, leisure spokesman for the council, said the decision to axe the subsidy was not yet set in stone as extra funding has become available from central Government.
He added: “As we decide which services may be suitable for extra cash we will aim to announce these as soon as possible.”
Comments(25)
Lone Ranger.
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10:55am Sat 2 Feb 13
aldermoorboy wrote:As you are so very vocal on this subject perhaps, you could explain to me, exactly how this was to work as i am not too sure that i fully understand what was on offer. Why didnt it go ahead and how much was going to be saved over what period of time.Did it involve job losses
Merge council management with IOW and save millions as the Tories were going to do.
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Over to you ...........
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southy
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11:12am Sat 2 Feb 13
Lone Ranger. wrote:More to the point is as they are going down hill like every where else in the country, they will take us with them and could end up costing us much more in the long run than we would be saving.
aldermoorboy wrote:As you are so very vocal on this subject perhaps, you could explain to me, exactly how this was to work as i am not too sure that i fully understand what was on offer. Why didnt it go ahead and how much was going to be saved over what period of time.Did it involve job losses
Merge council management with IOW and save millions as the Tories were going to do.
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Over to you ...........
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Pikey Pete
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3:05pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Pardon the pun. But if it cant stay afloat like a normal business let it sink..!!!
Bet many other businesses out there would like 50k per year freebie..!!
Zeo
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3:52pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Torchie1
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5:19pm Sat 2 Feb 13
**** Pete wrote:I'm sure the additional traffic to and from, plus the all-day parking of the extra commuters won't be a problem for Southampton.
Why is this subsidised in the first place.?
Pardon the pun. But if it cant stay afloat like a normal business let it sink..!!!
Bet many other businesses out there would like 50k per year freebie..!!
Lone Ranger.
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5:28pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Lone Ranger. wrote:Still no response then .. .... Wonder why ??
aldermoorboy wrote:As you are so very vocal on this subject perhaps, you could explain to me, exactly how this was to work as i am not too sure that i fully understand what was on offer. Why didnt it go ahead and how much was going to be saved over what period of time.Did it involve job losses
Merge council management with IOW and save millions as the Tories were going to do.
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Over to you ...........
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IronLady2010
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5:48pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Zeo wrote:Wasn't there talk of opening up the railway a couple of years back?
Just bring back the train passenger service from Fawley to Southampton.
loosehead
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6:34pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Lone Ranger. wrote:Okay each council were cutting Senior managers . we cut one they keep their one & he oversees both council & so on until all services are amalgamated.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Still no response then .. .... Wonder why ??
aldermoorboy wrote:As you are so very vocal on this subject perhaps, you could explain to me, exactly how this was to work as i am not too sure that i fully understand what was on offer. Why didnt it go ahead and how much was going to be saved over what period of time.Did it involve job losses
Merge council management with IOW and save millions as the Tories were going to do.
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Over to you ...........
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the saving on those top managerial positions mount up to the millions & in the industrial/political dispute were exactly what the Union was calling for ie;cuts at the top I thought a guy with your intelligence would have known exactly how it worked or are you just attacking some one else who doesn't tow the lone Ranger line?
loosehead
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6:36pm Sat 2 Feb 13
I do agree this is the Hythe Ferry so why isn't Hythe funding it solely?
IronLady2010
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6:40pm Sat 2 Feb 13
loosehead wrote:Maybe a compromise? Hythe Comes under New Forest District Council, split the funding and SCC still make a saving.
Look at it properly, no ferry more cars more cars in council car parks more revenue for Williams to keep for his pet projects.
I do agree this is the Hythe Ferry so why isn't Hythe funding it solely?
I'd guess the ferry is mainly used by residents from NFDC so funding could easily be shared.
Lone Ranger.
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7:50pm Sat 2 Feb 13
loosehead wrote:I know exactly how this was proposed thanks loosehead ....... But i wanted the explanation from your Tory friend ... who i guessed never had any idea at all.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Okay each council were cutting Senior managers . we cut one they keep their one & he oversees both council & so on until all services are amalgamated.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Still no response then .. .... Wonder why ??
aldermoorboy wrote:As you are so very vocal on this subject perhaps, you could explain to me, exactly how this was to work as i am not too sure that i fully understand what was on offer. Why didnt it go ahead and how much was going to be saved over what period of time.Did it involve job losses
Merge council management with IOW and save millions as the Tories were going to do.
.
Over to you ...........
.
the saving on those top managerial positions mount up to the millions & in the industrial/political dispute were exactly what the Union was calling for ie;cuts at the top I thought a guy with your intelligence would have known exactly how it worked or are you just attacking some one else who doesn't tow the lone Ranger line?
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No i wasnt attacking anyone ...... Just proof that he knew what he was on about .... But quite clearly he doesnt.
sotonbusdriver
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7:59pm Sat 2 Feb 13
“But we have been running the service through two world wars and the Great Depression and I am sure that we can weather the difficult economic climate we are facing.
WHAT A LOAD OF CODS WALLOP..... White Horse Ferries only took ownership of the ferries in the past 10-20 years... During the periods Peter Lay mentioned the Company that ran the Hythe Ferry, was General Estates... Not White Horse... Since White Horse has taken over the ferries have been run down and poorly maintained....
loosehead
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9:02pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Lone Ranger. wrote:Do I take from that I know what I'm talking about on this issue?
loosehead wrote:I know exactly how this was proposed thanks loosehead ....... But i wanted the explanation from your Tory friend ... who i guessed never had any idea at all.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Okay each council were cutting Senior managers . we cut one they keep their one & he oversees both council & so on until all services are amalgamated.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Still no response then .. .... Wonder why ??
aldermoorboy wrote:As you are so very vocal on this subject perhaps, you could explain to me, exactly how this was to work as i am not too sure that i fully understand what was on offer. Why didnt it go ahead and how much was going to be saved over what period of time.Did it involve job losses
Merge council management with IOW and save millions as the Tories were going to do.
.
Over to you ...........
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the saving on those top managerial positions mount up to the millions & in the industrial/political dispute were exactly what the Union was calling for ie;cuts at the top I thought a guy with your intelligence would have known exactly how it worked or are you just attacking some one else who doesn't tow the lone Ranger line?
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No i wasnt attacking anyone ...... Just proof that he knew what he was on about .... But quite clearly he doesnt.
I'm in a good mood today as England beat Scotland & it was nearly euphoric but Wigan equalised so you admitting I've got it right on this subject is like the Icing on the cake.
Have a nice weekend
stay local
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11:56pm Sat 2 Feb 13
IronLady2010
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12:29am Sun 3 Feb 13
stay local wrote:You have the choice of going via Northam, free of tolls.
Can some explain?? If you live in Hythe and waterside Southampton city council is helping you meet the cot of getting to work in the city by subsidising the ferry. If you live in Woolston (part of Southampton city) the same council is charging you to cross a bridge to get to work?? This is discrimination!
WalkingOnAWire
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1:12am Sun 3 Feb 13
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lw
"16p a throw"(!)
scattymal
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2:58am Sun 3 Feb 13
If the ferry sinks (sorry for the pun) that will be part of my day out scupperred when going to footy. Little ferry ride, pint in the Platform, chicken balty pie and pint at ground, nuver pint in Platform and little ferry ride home. Sad aren't I.
loosehead
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7:49am Sun 3 Feb 13
scattymal wrote:So once again short sighted NIMBY's have ruined the day?
Well my favourite subject had Dibden Bay Container terminal come along part of the deal was a better infrastructure. There was talk of opening up the railway again, talk of a dedicated ferry service (knowing peeps would comne over from town to work) and a better road network. Ho hum what we could have had.
If the ferry sinks (sorry for the pun) that will be part of my day out scupperred when going to footy. Little ferry ride, pint in the Platform, chicken balty pie and pint at ground, nuver pint in Platform and little ferry ride home. Sad aren't I.
I don't know how they can still call it Dibden "BAY" as the BAY is filled in isn't it?
the work & the advantages the container depot/port could have bought to the waterside far out weighed the reasons they gave not to build it.
they said heavy lorries ? No the train would have taken the strain around to Southampton & then the containers would have continued on or been off loaded & put onto trains & the same thing would have happened for export.
but why do watersiders (Hythe Marina) expect Southampton to subsidise their ferry service?
Lone Ranger.
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9:34am Sun 3 Feb 13
loosehead wrote:Dont think i said that your explanation was correct .........
Lone Ranger. wrote:Do I take from that I know what I'm talking about on this issue?
loosehead wrote:I know exactly how this was proposed thanks loosehead ....... But i wanted the explanation from your Tory friend ... who i guessed never had any idea at all.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Okay each council were cutting Senior managers . we cut one they keep their one & he oversees both council & so on until all services are amalgamated.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Still no response then .. .... Wonder why ??
aldermoorboy wrote:As you are so very vocal on this subject perhaps, you could explain to me, exactly how this was to work as i am not too sure that i fully understand what was on offer. Why didnt it go ahead and how much was going to be saved over what period of time.Did it involve job losses
Merge council management with IOW and save millions as the Tories were going to do.
.
Over to you ...........
.
the saving on those top managerial positions mount up to the millions & in the industrial/political dispute were exactly what the Union was calling for ie;cuts at the top I thought a guy with your intelligence would have known exactly how it worked or are you just attacking some one else who doesn't tow the lone Ranger line?
.
No i wasnt attacking anyone ...... Just proof that he knew what he was on about .... But quite clearly he doesnt.
I'm in a good mood today as England beat Scotland & it was nearly euphoric but Wigan equalised so you admitting I've got it right on this subject is like the Icing on the cake.
Have a nice weekend
andysaints007
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11:39am Sun 3 Feb 13
Lone Ranger. wrote:Don't waste your time arguing with 'the moan ranger' loosehead ! Surely you must know by now he is a 24 carat d*ckhead !
loosehead wrote:Dont think i said that your explanation was correct .........
Lone Ranger. wrote:Do I take from that I know what I'm talking about on this issue?
loosehead wrote:I know exactly how this was proposed thanks loosehead ....... But i wanted the explanation from your Tory friend ... who i guessed never had any idea at all.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Okay each council were cutting Senior managers . we cut one they keep their one & he oversees both council & so on until all services are amalgamated.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Still no response then .. .... Wonder why ??
aldermoorboy wrote:As you are so very vocal on this subject perhaps, you could explain to me, exactly how this was to work as i am not too sure that i fully understand what was on offer. Why didnt it go ahead and how much was going to be saved over what period of time.Did it involve job losses
Merge council management with IOW and save millions as the Tories were going to do.
.
Over to you ...........
.
the saving on those top managerial positions mount up to the millions & in the industrial/political dispute were exactly what the Union was calling for ie;cuts at the top I thought a guy with your intelligence would have known exactly how it worked or are you just attacking some one else who doesn't tow the lone Ranger line?
.
No i wasnt attacking anyone ...... Just proof that he knew what he was on about .... But quite clearly he doesnt.
I'm in a good mood today as England beat Scotland & it was nearly euphoric but Wigan equalised so you admitting I've got it right on this subject is like the Icing on the cake.
Have a nice weekend
Zeo
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11:47am Sun 3 Feb 13
IronLady2010 wrote:It's still in the consultation stage and auditing of whats required to bring it back to mixed passenger/freight standards i.e. signals, track, stations and so forth.
Zeo wrote:Wasn't there talk of opening up the railway a couple of years back?
Just bring back the train passenger service from Fawley to Southampton.
loosehead
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1:31pm Sun 3 Feb 13
Zeo wrote:Would have happened a lot quicker if they'd gone ahead with the container port
IronLady2010 wrote:It's still in the consultation stage and auditing of whats required to bring it back to mixed passenger/freight standards i.e. signals, track, stations and so forth.
Zeo wrote:Wasn't there talk of opening up the railway a couple of years back?
Just bring back the train passenger service from Fawley to Southampton.
beiroot
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9:37pm Sun 3 Feb 13
scattymal
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10:31pm Sun 3 Feb 13
loosehead wrote:Being a watersider for 26 years (originally from Northam) I don't agree with Soton Council helping out the Hythe Ferry company. Unfortunately the ferry company doesn't help itself. It could make a bit more money if it didn't stop running so early on a weekend night so that people could get into town have a night out and get back to the waterside say around midnight. But last ferry back is about 22:00 ish I think. As someone suggested maybe NFDC could put teir hand in their pocket but on the other hand its a private company so why should they. I can see us loosing it soon.
scattymal wrote: Well my favourite subject had Dibden Bay Container terminal come along part of the deal was a better infrastructure. There was talk of opening up the railway again, talk of a dedicated ferry service (knowing peeps would comne over from town to work) and a better road network. Ho hum what we could have had. If the ferry sinks (sorry for the pun) that will be part of my day out scupperred when going to footy. Little ferry ride, pint in the Platform, chicken balty pie and pint at ground, nuver pint in Platform and little ferry ride home. Sad aren't I.So once again short sighted NIMBY's have ruined the day? I don't know how they can still call it Dibden "BAY" as the BAY is filled in isn't it? the work & the advantages the container depot/port could have bought to the waterside far out weighed the reasons they gave not to build it. they said heavy lorries ? No the train would have taken the strain around to Southampton & then the containers would have continued on or been off loaded & put onto trains & the same thing would have happened for export. but why do watersiders (Hythe Marina) expect Southampton to subsidise their ferry service?
aldermoorboy says...
10:09am Sat 2 Feb 13