Farage will not stand in Eastleigh (From Daily Echo)

Now id the chance to finally get a UKIP MP in Parliment and get some representation for the 10% or so of Britain who voted for UKIP at the last election. About time Parliment reflected who we voted for.

Whats the real point of voting UKIP if a vote of no confidence came up UKIP will only vote with the Government, they be to worried about losing the MP wage that they would of doing the right thing.
This looks like a maybe a Labour Party win

southy wrote:
Whats the real point of voting UKIP if a vote of no confidence came up UKIP will only vote with the Government, they be to worried about losing the MP wage that they would of doing the right thing.
This looks like a maybe a Labour Party win

Labour to win Eastleigh - wow, southy makes a prediction. We shall see.

Noe? What does that mean?

Eastleigh, vote UKIP, remember it it only a by-election and everyone can return to their chosen party at the general election
There is a chance to show all the main parties what a corrupt, lying , cheating lot they are .
So Eastleigh make history and elect the first UKIP member then kick him/her out in a couple of years!!!

Wonder if his decision not to stand relates to his reluctance to get off the 'eu gravy train' he publicly despises so much but privately benefits from.......

southy wrote:
Whats the real point of voting UKIP if a vote of no confidence came up UKIP will only vote with the Government, they be to worried about losing the MP wage that they would of doing the right thing.
This looks like a maybe a Labour Party win

You ask what the point of voting for UKIP is and you are putting yourself in the position of all the people who look at your ragbag group and ask the same question.

What's the point of voting UKIP? There is every point!

I'd rather give UKIP a chance than continue with the current bunch of political parties who are greedy, corrupt, fraudulent, failing to represent the electorate etc. etc.

Let's make history and elect the first UKIP MP for Eastleigh.

eurogordi wrote:
What's the point of voting UKIP? There is every point!

I'd rather give UKIP a chance than continue with the current bunch of political parties who are greedy, corrupt, fraudulent, failing to represent the electorate etc. etc.

Let's make history and elect the first UKIP MP for Eastleigh.

Trouble with UKIP is that they only have one policy, and that is getting out of Europe. Anything else is anybody's guess.

Linesman wrote:

eurogordi wrote:
What's the point of voting UKIP? There is every point!

I'd rather give UKIP a chance than continue with the current bunch of political parties who are greedy, corrupt, fraudulent, failing to represent the electorate etc. etc.

Let's make history and elect the first UKIP MP for Eastleigh.

Trouble with UKIP is that they only have one policy, and that is getting out of Europe. Anything else is anybody's guess.

i suggest you visit the ukip website before making such ignorant statements, among their policies is the sensible assumption that climate change is not necessarily caused by man, a sensible immigration policy, reclaimation of uk fishing grounds, rolling nat ins and income tax into one, overhaul of state pensions (presumably by cutting some of the excessive state pension for civil servants) and a fair fuel tax, a lot of this can be funded by the cost saved on eu membership alone (currently standing at £52 million a day) vote lib/lab/con and you will continue to see the likes of mp's that have been in the news this week

Linesman wrote:

eurogordi wrote:
What's the point of voting UKIP? There is every point!

I'd rather give UKIP a chance than continue with the current bunch of political parties who are greedy, corrupt, fraudulent, failing to represent the electorate etc. etc.

Let's make history and elect the first UKIP MP for Eastleigh.

Trouble with UKIP is that they only have one policy, and that is getting out of Europe. Anything else is anybody's guess.

What are your views on the single 'no cuts' policy of Tusc?

Surely the only candidate who should stand to show the political feelings of the electorate is SOUTHY. Having told people repeatedly about how all political parties especially coalitions, (except the TUSC which is a coalition but not the same as other coalitions, despite the name coalition in the title) are not for the people, how the country needs a needs budget (but not what that means) how the good people of Redbridge really wanted to elect a TUSC candidate and demonstrated this fact by not voting, or voting for another party. Now is the time the masses are waiting. Southy must stand ( lets just hope the monster raving loony party are not also involved as that could split the TUSC vote!!!!!

Such a shame. Nigel would have added a bit of panache to the contest. I can understand, however, that life as a Euro MP, is clearly so much more enjoyable and rewarding than representing Eastleigh residents in Westminster

Parliament has no respect for democracy. The 'people who know best' are taking over our lives.
In the 21st century, not so difficult to operate a vote system without parliament and MP's.

The problems of democracy are inherent. It’s like having dinner with a million people and deciding up front the bill will be split evenly. Everyone has a strong incentive to order more than he would individually, resulting in a huge bill that everyone deplores but no individual could do anything about. Democracy therefore has a very limited self-cleansing capability. Our politicians have a natural short-term outlook since they are only temporarily in office. They will overspend, overtax and overborrow knowing their successors will have to deal with the negative consequences. Besides that, they spend other people’s money anyhow.

UKIP - party invented for "The Sun" readers who are not willing to look any further than the end of their own nose or have the remotest interest in politics or indeed policies.

Not only do they have their somewhat conradictory policies on imigration, their policies on things like further education and the prison service are comical.

THEKILLER wrote:
Eastleigh, vote UKIP, remember it it only a by-election and everyone can return to their chosen party at the general election
There is a chance to show all the main parties what a corrupt, lying , cheating lot they are .
So Eastleigh make history and elect the first UKIP member then kick him/her out in a couple of years!!!

If UKIP wins this seat, then they will only vote with the Government when that Vote of No Confidence comes up, A labour win here now would help to bring this Government in power to an end in a Vote of No Confidence.
People of Eastleigh needs to choose wisely here, theres only 2 partys that would vote no in a confidence vote and that is Labour and TUSC.

With the revolt against the Torys and Lib/Dems growing, this is a very good chance for Labour to take the seat.

southy wrote:

THEKILLER wrote:
Eastleigh, vote UKIP, remember it it only a by-election and everyone can return to their chosen party at the general election
There is a chance to show all the main parties what a corrupt, lying , cheating lot they are .
So Eastleigh make history and elect the first UKIP member then kick him/her out in a couple of years!!!

If UKIP wins this seat, then they will only vote with the Government when that Vote of No Confidence comes up, A labour win here now would help to bring this Government in power to an end in a Vote of No Confidence.
People of Eastleigh needs to choose wisely here, theres only 2 partys that would vote no in a confidence vote and that is Labour and TUSC.

With the revolt against the Torys and Lib/Dems growing, this is a very good chance for Labour to take the seat.

.. 'when that Vote of No Confidence comes up'.

Oh, that's going to happen, is it? When?

And another thing, for TUSC to vote in a parliamentary vote of confidence they would need to have MP's. Now, that's a laugh, don't you think?

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

THEKILLER wrote:
Eastleigh, vote UKIP, remember it it only a by-election and everyone can return to their chosen party at the general election
There is a chance to show all the main parties what a corrupt, lying , cheating lot they are .
So Eastleigh make history and elect the first UKIP member then kick him/her out in a couple of years!!!

If UKIP wins this seat, then they will only vote with the Government when that Vote of No Confidence comes up, A labour win here now would help to bring this Government in power to an end in a Vote of No Confidence.
People of Eastleigh needs to choose wisely here, theres only 2 partys that would vote no in a confidence vote and that is Labour and TUSC.

With the revolt against the Torys and Lib/Dems growing, this is a very good chance for Labour to take the seat.

.. 'when that Vote of No Confidence comes up'.

Oh, that's going to happen, is it? When?

And another thing, for TUSC to vote in a parliamentary vote of confidence they would need to have MP's. Now, that's a laugh, don't you think?

Free Join a political party then you might have a lot better under standing what is really going on, but at the moment your on the out side trying to get a glimpse on the in-side.
And yes that Vote of no confindence is going to come up (its all ready been called for once all ready but not enough votes to carry it on to the next stage) and since then Labour have gained a seat, this by-election will give them what they need to push though a vote of no-confidence.
For the TUSC to have a vote they only need MP and not MP's, and with a vote of no confidence the TUSC will vote with Labour on that one, And its not a laugh at all they have a very good chance with this By-election (if they put a candidate up), its come aat a near perfect time for the TUSC there is a revolt going on, and with this Labour Council in Southampton bring in cuts all so, they might pick up the Labour vote

southy wrote:

THEKILLER wrote:
Eastleigh, vote UKIP, remember it it only a by-election and everyone can return to their chosen party at the general election
There is a chance to show all the main parties what a corrupt, lying , cheating lot they are .
So Eastleigh make history and elect the first UKIP member then kick him/her out in a couple of years!!!

If UKIP wins this seat, then they will only vote with the Government when that Vote of No Confidence comes up, A labour win here now would help to bring this Government in power to an end in a Vote of No Confidence.
People of Eastleigh needs to choose wisely here, theres only 2 partys that would vote no in a confidence vote and that is Labour and TUSC.

With the revolt against the Torys and Lib/Dems growing, this is a very good chance for Labour to take the seat.

I thought this Vote of No Confidence was supposed to happen before the end of 2012?

'And its not a laugh at all they have a very good chance with this By-election (if they put a candidate up)'

'IF they put a candidate up'.

Sorry, that does make it a laugh.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

THEKILLER wrote:
Eastleigh, vote UKIP, remember it it only a by-election and everyone can return to their chosen party at the general election
There is a chance to show all the main parties what a corrupt, lying , cheating lot they are .
So Eastleigh make history and elect the first UKIP member then kick him/her out in a couple of years!!!

If UKIP wins this seat, then they will only vote with the Government when that Vote of No Confidence comes up, A labour win here now would help to bring this Government in power to an end in a Vote of No Confidence.
People of Eastleigh needs to choose wisely here, theres only 2 partys that would vote no in a confidence vote and that is Labour and TUSC.

With the revolt against the Torys and Lib/Dems growing, this is a very good chance for Labour to take the seat.

.. 'when that Vote of No Confidence comes up'.

Oh, that's going to happen, is it? When?

And another thing, for TUSC to vote in a parliamentary vote of confidence they would need to have MP's. Now, that's a laugh, don't you think?

Free Join a political party then you might have a lot better under standing what is really going on, but at the moment your on the out side trying to get a glimpse on the in-side.
And yes that Vote of no confindence is going to come up (its all ready been called for once all ready but not enough votes to carry it on to the next stage) and since then Labour have gained a seat, this by-election will give them what they need to push though a vote of no-confidence.
For the TUSC to have a vote they only need MP and not MP's, and with a vote of no confidence the TUSC will vote with Labour on that one, And its not a laugh at all they have a very good chance with this By-election (if they put a candidate up), its come aat a near perfect time for the TUSC there is a revolt going on, and with this Labour Council in Southampton bring in cuts all so, they might pick up the Labour vote

.. so TUSC 'have a very good chance' but you don't know if you will stand, yes? Well that’s confidence for you. I hope TUSC do stand because that will give us all further clarification of how out of touch with reality you are.

And votes of no confidence. Let’s see, the last successful motion was against Jim Callaghan’s government in 1979, and that was a minority government; the one before that in 1924.

There have NOT been any in this parliament, nor will there while the parliamentary arithmetic is as it is now. Con and LibDem have 359 MP’s; the rest 287, with 2 vacancies. There is not the slightest chance of the LibDems breaking ranks; they are doomed to neo-oblivion both now or 2015 so they will selfishly hold on until the end.

Therefore, not the slightest chance of a successful no confidence vote unless there are an unrealistically huge number of by-election defeats for the coalition; which would require many deaths and/or resignations. So your political analysis is yet again proved to be totally faulty.

Funny that I can work all that out by not being a member of a political party and you get it so wrong even though you are. Seems to be quite the very opposite of what you keep maintaining. But then Trotskyists never let a small thing like reality get in the way of dogma.

The Echo's poll shows UKIP streets ahead. Miliband has ruined Labour's chances by his anti referendum stance, despite over 60% of the electorate wanting it. A UKIP victory could be exactly what the nation needs to make the career politicians wake up.

Inform Al wrote:
The Echo's poll shows UKIP streets ahead. Miliband has ruined Labour's chances by his anti referendum stance, despite over 60% of the electorate wanting it. A UKIP victory could be exactly what the nation needs to make the career politicians wake up.

Nigel Farage would not want to loose again in Eastleigh that’s the reason he won’t stand, and Labour are unlikely to win as they can’t even win a council seat

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

THEKILLER wrote:
Eastleigh, vote UKIP, remember it it only a by-election and everyone can return to their chosen party at the general election
There is a chance to show all the main parties what a corrupt, lying , cheating lot they are .
So Eastleigh make history and elect the first UKIP member then kick him/her out in a couple of years!!!

If UKIP wins this seat, then they will only vote with the Government when that Vote of No Confidence comes up, A labour win here now would help to bring this Government in power to an end in a Vote of No Confidence.
People of Eastleigh needs to choose wisely here, theres only 2 partys that would vote no in a confidence vote and that is Labour and TUSC.

With the revolt against the Torys and Lib/Dems growing, this is a very good chance for Labour to take the seat.

.. 'when that Vote of No Confidence comes up'.

Oh, that's going to happen, is it? When?

And another thing, for TUSC to vote in a parliamentary vote of confidence they would need to have MP's. Now, that's a laugh, don't you think?

Free Join a political party then you might have a lot better under standing what is really going on, but at the moment your on the out side trying to get a glimpse on the in-side.
And yes that Vote of no confindence is going to come up (its all ready been called for once all ready but not enough votes to carry it on to the next stage) and since then Labour have gained a seat, this by-election will give them what they need to push though a vote of no-confidence.
For the TUSC to have a vote they only need MP and not MP's, and with a vote of no confidence the TUSC will vote with Labour on that one, And its not a laugh at all they have a very good chance with this By-election (if they put a candidate up), its come aat a near perfect time for the TUSC there is a revolt going on, and with this Labour Council in Southampton bring in cuts all so, they might pick up the Labour vote

Given that the TUSC is not a political party in the conventional sense, and is not therefore something an individual can join, which party should left-leaning people join? The Socialist Party? The Socialist Workers' Party? The Socialist Party of GB? The United Socialist Party? The Socialist Labour Party? The Socialist Equality Party? Maybe there are even more options.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

THEKILLER wrote:
Eastleigh, vote UKIP, remember it it only a by-election and everyone can return to their chosen party at the general election
There is a chance to show all the main parties what a corrupt, lying , cheating lot they are .
So Eastleigh make history and elect the first UKIP member then kick him/her out in a couple of years!!!

If UKIP wins this seat, then they will only vote with the Government when that Vote of No Confidence comes up, A labour win here now would help to bring this Government in power to an end in a Vote of No Confidence.
People of Eastleigh needs to choose wisely here, theres only 2 partys that would vote no in a confidence vote and that is Labour and TUSC.

With the revolt against the Torys and Lib/Dems growing, this is a very good chance for Labour to take the seat.

.. 'when that Vote of No Confidence comes up'.

Oh, that's going to happen, is it? When?

And another thing, for TUSC to vote in a parliamentary vote of confidence they would need to have MP's. Now, that's a laugh, don't you think?

Free Join a political party then you might have a lot better under standing what is really going on, but at the moment your on the out side trying to get a glimpse on the in-side.
And yes that Vote of no confindence is going to come up (its all ready been called for once all ready but not enough votes to carry it on to the next stage) and since then Labour have gained a seat, this by-election will give them what they need to push though a vote of no-confidence.
For the TUSC to have a vote they only need MP and not MP's, and with a vote of no confidence the TUSC will vote with Labour on that one, And its not a laugh at all they have a very good chance with this By-election (if they put a candidate up), its come aat a near perfect time for the TUSC there is a revolt going on, and with this Labour Council in Southampton bring in cuts all so, they might pick up the Labour vote

.. so TUSC 'have a very good chance' but you don't know if you will stand, yes? Well that’s confidence for you. I hope TUSC do stand because that will give us all further clarification of how out of touch with reality you are.

And votes of no confidence. Let’s see, the last successful motion was against Jim Callaghan’s government in 1979, and that was a minority government; the one before that in 1924.

There have NOT been any in this parliament, nor will there while the parliamentary arithmetic is as it is now. Con and LibDem have 359 MP’s; the rest 287, with 2 vacancies. There is not the slightest chance of the LibDems breaking ranks; they are doomed to neo-oblivion both now or 2015 so they will selfishly hold on until the end.

Therefore, not the slightest chance of a successful no confidence vote unless there are an unrealistically huge number of by-election defeats for the coalition; which would require many deaths and/or resignations. So your political analysis is yet again proved to be totally faulty.

Funny that I can work all that out by not being a member of a political party and you get it so wrong even though you are. Seems to be quite the very opposite of what you keep maintaining. But then Trotskyists never let a small thing like reality get in the way of dogma.

There was one last year a call to vote to have a have of no-confidence like all ways you just dont know what is going on.
A vote of no-confinece first off all got to be voted on, and if pass then there is call of all mps to be in government for the vote of no confidence.
And as for the Lib/dem breaking ranks, they all ready started to and so have a few Torys, some of the Lib/dems was never happy about the coalition with the Torys, it was some thing they did not vote for to happen in the Lib/dems and it was all down to there shadow cabinet that took them into that coalition, with out consultation with others members and many of these members will revolt against there cabinet because they want to have a reasonable chance of keeping there seats, and that will apply to the Torys to.

The Torys are a minority Government to, and just like Gentleman Jim in 1979 had a coalition with the Liberals and just because that coalition is there it don't mean that they will not revolt against them.
Even Thatcher came close by 2 votes and that was with a majority government.

You see you are way off the mark and just don't have a real clue what is going on. and things are not just black and white, it is multi colours with many shades, and to find out which way things are going you need to be on the inside and getting hourly updates

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

THEKILLER wrote:
Eastleigh, vote UKIP, remember it it only a by-election and everyone can return to their chosen party at the general election
There is a chance to show all the main parties what a corrupt, lying , cheating lot they are .
So Eastleigh make history and elect the first UKIP member then kick him/her out in a couple of years!!!

If UKIP wins this seat, then they will only vote with the Government when that Vote of No Confidence comes up, A labour win here now would help to bring this Government in power to an end in a Vote of No Confidence.
People of Eastleigh needs to choose wisely here, theres only 2 partys that would vote no in a confidence vote and that is Labour and TUSC.

With the revolt against the Torys and Lib/Dems growing, this is a very good chance for Labour to take the seat.

.. 'when that Vote of No Confidence comes up'.

Oh, that's going to happen, is it? When?

And another thing, for TUSC to vote in a parliamentary vote of confidence they would need to have MP's. Now, that's a laugh, don't you think?

Free Join a political party then you might have a lot better under standing what is really going on, but at the moment your on the out side trying to get a glimpse on the in-side.
And yes that Vote of no confindence is going to come up (its all ready been called for once all ready but not enough votes to carry it on to the next stage) and since then Labour have gained a seat, this by-election will give them what they need to push though a vote of no-confidence.
For the TUSC to have a vote they only need MP and not MP's, and with a vote of no confidence the TUSC will vote with Labour on that one, And its not a laugh at all they have a very good chance with this By-election (if they put a candidate up), its come aat a near perfect time for the TUSC there is a revolt going on, and with this Labour Council in Southampton bring in cuts all so, they might pick up the Labour vote

Given that the TUSC is not a political party in the conventional sense, and is not therefore something an individual can join, which party should left-leaning people join? The Socialist Party? The Socialist Workers' Party? The Socialist Party of GB? The United Socialist Party? The Socialist Labour Party? The Socialist Equality Party? Maybe there are even more options.

Well that would depend if you want to get into the TUSC, if you are a Union member you be able to join as an individual, but if not then you can form a group and join that way, or join the Socialist party would be the best bet and like being in a union would altomatically put you into the TUSC

Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Inform Al wrote:
The Echo's poll shows UKIP streets ahead. Miliband has ruined Labour's chances by his anti referendum stance, despite over 60% of the electorate wanting it. A UKIP victory could be exactly what the nation needs to make the career politicians wake up.

would it be the same if it was only open to those with in that consitituncy

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

Wasn't one of your proposals to form a TUSC/Labour electoral bloc in Southampton? And which name on the ballot paper for Mayor of London was the one supported by the TUSC?

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

Wasn't one of your proposals to form a TUSC/Labour electoral bloc in Southampton? And which name on the ballot paper for Mayor of London was the one supported by the TUSC?

OK, let me suggest some answers and you can refute them if you like. 1) Yes, you did propose an electoral bloc with Labour, even when you knew they would make serious cuts in Southampton. 2) Ken Livingstone, because the TUSC wanted him to have a clear run.

It all makes the TUSC's claim to be a real left-wing, "No Cuts" alternative sound a bit hollow. Still, so long as you do whatever fits in with Bob Crow's agenda, you'll be fine.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

THEKILLER wrote:
Eastleigh, vote UKIP, remember it it only a by-election and everyone can return to their chosen party at the general election
There is a chance to show all the main parties what a corrupt, lying , cheating lot they are .
So Eastleigh make history and elect the first UKIP member then kick him/her out in a couple of years!!!

If UKIP wins this seat, then they will only vote with the Government when that Vote of No Confidence comes up, A labour win here now would help to bring this Government in power to an end in a Vote of No Confidence.
People of Eastleigh needs to choose wisely here, theres only 2 partys that would vote no in a confidence vote and that is Labour and TUSC.

With the revolt against the Torys and Lib/Dems growing, this is a very good chance for Labour to take the seat.

.. 'when that Vote of No Confidence comes up'.

Oh, that's going to happen, is it? When?

And another thing, for TUSC to vote in a parliamentary vote of confidence they would need to have MP's. Now, that's a laugh, don't you think?

Free Join a political party then you might have a lot better under standing what is really going on, but at the moment your on the out side trying to get a glimpse on the in-side.
And yes that Vote of no confindence is going to come up (its all ready been called for once all ready but not enough votes to carry it on to the next stage) and since then Labour have gained a seat, this by-election will give them what they need to push though a vote of no-confidence.
For the TUSC to have a vote they only need MP and not MP's, and with a vote of no confidence the TUSC will vote with Labour on that one, And its not a laugh at all they have a very good chance with this By-election (if they put a candidate up), its come aat a near perfect time for the TUSC there is a revolt going on, and with this Labour Council in Southampton bring in cuts all so, they might pick up the Labour vote

.. so TUSC 'have a very good chance' but you don't know if you will stand, yes? Well that’s confidence for you. I hope TUSC do stand because that will give us all further clarification of how out of touch with reality you are.

And votes of no confidence. Let’s see, the last successful motion was against Jim Callaghan’s government in 1979, and that was a minority government; the one before that in 1924.

There have NOT been any in this parliament, nor will there while the parliamentary arithmetic is as it is now. Con and LibDem have 359 MP’s; the rest 287, with 2 vacancies. There is not the slightest chance of the LibDems breaking ranks; they are doomed to neo-oblivion both now or 2015 so they will selfishly hold on until the end.

Therefore, not the slightest chance of a successful no confidence vote unless there are an unrealistically huge number of by-election defeats for the coalition; which would require many deaths and/or resignations. So your political analysis is yet again proved to be totally faulty.

Funny that I can work all that out by not being a member of a political party and you get it so wrong even though you are. Seems to be quite the very opposite of what you keep maintaining. But then Trotskyists never let a small thing like reality get in the way of dogma.

There was one last year a call to vote to have a have of no-confidence like all ways you just dont know what is going on.
A vote of no-confinece first off all got to be voted on, and if pass then there is call of all mps to be in government for the vote of no confidence.
And as for the Lib/dem breaking ranks, they all ready started to and so have a few Torys, some of the Lib/dems was never happy about the coalition with the Torys, it was some thing they did not vote for to happen in the Lib/dems and it was all down to there shadow cabinet that took them into that coalition, with out consultation with others members and many of these members will revolt against there cabinet because they want to have a reasonable chance of keeping there seats, and that will apply to the Torys to.

The Torys are a minority Government to, and just like Gentleman Jim in 1979 had a coalition with the Liberals and just because that coalition is there it don't mean that they will not revolt against them.
Even Thatcher came close by 2 votes and that was with a majority government.

You see you are way off the mark and just don't have a real clue what is going on. and things are not just black and white, it is multi colours with many shades, and to find out which way things are going you need to be on the inside and getting hourly updates

.. oh dear, where do we start?

Firstly, the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 introduced fixed-term elections for the first time to the Westminster parliament. Under the provisions of the Act, parliamentary elections must be held every five years, beginning in 2015.

There are only two ways an earlier election can be called: (1) if two thirds of MP’s vote to do so, or (2) a resolution of no confidence in HMG. Even in (2) there is a 14 day cooling off period to allow a new government to be formed.

So, a motion of no confidence is going to be the only effective way of bringing about an election before May 2015. As I said before, there have been NO motions of no confidence proposed in this parliament. I will stand corrected if you can clearly demonstrate with documentary evidence that this is not the case.

And, it is quite clear that the parliamentary arithmetic prevents a successful no confidence motion. As to the rubbish you spout about the current state of party paranoia, it is just that; rubbish.

And if you’re getting ‘hourly updates’ of the current political scene I can only assume it is being provided by idiots. For example, some of your classics: -

‘Council Tax go's to national government, and government lets us have small % of it back'.
‘rubbish colletion the cost to you is 90p per mth, if Torys had there way it would be handed out to a private contractor where the price would be around £22 per mth’.
‘First you have the (Council Tax) value bands that home sits in with one adult, on top which a % is added on if you have a partner, then on top you have extra % added on for every working age adult that is not in full time education’.
‘Thats coming in (the Bedroom Tax) and will be the first real major change to the Council tax, people will be paying extra to there council tax if they have empty rooms’.

If this is the quality of the updates you get I’m just glad I don’t get them.

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

.. " We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section".

Oh no you didn't. The candidates were: -

Boris Johnson – Conservative.
Ken Livingstone - Labour.
Jenny Jones – Green.
Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats.
Siobhan Benita – Independent.
Lawrence Webb - Fresh Choice for London.
Carlos Cortiglia - British National Party.

And that’s it – no TUSC, no Socialist Party (England and Wales)

It’s all easily checkable, but I suppose why do that when you can just tell a lie.

No it was not part of our proposals, the only thing that there was if we knew of any councillors that would say no to cuts we would not stand against them, because right away would put them in line with our needs budget, as we could only cover 13 of the 16 wards, thinking was there why waste a candidate when both will be fighting the cuts it would allow a candidate to stand else where, and this is what worried councillor Letts and why he came to us with the Labour proposal.
could not tell his off hand i would need to back check a lot of paper work, but he was a FBU member.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

.. " We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section".

Oh no you didn't. The candidates were: -

Boris Johnson – Conservative.
Ken Livingstone - Labour.
Jenny Jones – Green.
Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats.
Siobhan Benita – Independent.
Lawrence Webb - Fresh Choice for London.
Carlos Cortiglia - British National Party.

And that’s it – no TUSC, no Socialist Party (England and Wales)

It’s all easily checkable, but I suppose why do that when you can just tell a lie.

And again Free put his big 2 feet deep in it, where did i say TUSC or Socialist party I did not, Free you going to need to stop trying twisting words Its not working.
I said "we back the FBU section"

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

.. " We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section".

Oh no you didn't. The candidates were: -

Boris Johnson – Conservative.
Ken Livingstone - Labour.
Jenny Jones – Green.
Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats.
Siobhan Benita – Independent.
Lawrence Webb - Fresh Choice for London.
Carlos Cortiglia - British National Party.

And that’s it – no TUSC, no Socialist Party (England and Wales)

It’s all easily checkable, but I suppose why do that when you can just tell a lie.

And again Free put his big 2 feet deep in it, where did i say TUSC or Socialist party I did not, Free you going to need to stop trying twisting words Its not working.
I said "we back the FBU section"

Ex-senior civil servant Siobhan Benita ran as an independent

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

.. " We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section".

Oh no you didn't. The candidates were: -

Boris Johnson – Conservative.
Ken Livingstone - Labour.
Jenny Jones – Green.
Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats.
Siobhan Benita – Independent.
Lawrence Webb - Fresh Choice for London.
Carlos Cortiglia - British National Party.

And that’s it – no TUSC, no Socialist Party (England and Wales)

It’s all easily checkable, but I suppose why do that when you can just tell a lie.

And again Free put his big 2 feet deep in it, where did i say TUSC or Socialist party I did not, Free you going to need to stop trying twisting words Its not working.
I said "we back the FBU section"

.. you said "We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section"

I have listed ALL the candidates - FBU is not one of them. So, you DIDN'T 'have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections', did you?

If you did, who was it? Name and party label please?

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

.. " We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section".

Oh no you didn't. The candidates were: -

Boris Johnson – Conservative.
Ken Livingstone - Labour.
Jenny Jones – Green.
Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats.
Siobhan Benita – Independent.
Lawrence Webb - Fresh Choice for London.
Carlos Cortiglia - British National Party.

And that’s it – no TUSC, no Socialist Party (England and Wales)

It’s all easily checkable, but I suppose why do that when you can just tell a lie.

And again Free put his big 2 feet deep in it, where did i say TUSC or Socialist party I did not, Free you going to need to stop trying twisting words Its not working.
I said "we back the FBU section"

Ex-senior civil servant Siobhan Benita ran as an independent

.. she was an "Independent" full stop.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

.. " We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section".

Oh no you didn't. The candidates were: -

Boris Johnson – Conservative.
Ken Livingstone - Labour.
Jenny Jones – Green.
Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats.
Siobhan Benita – Independent.
Lawrence Webb - Fresh Choice for London.
Carlos Cortiglia - British National Party.

And that’s it – no TUSC, no Socialist Party (England and Wales)

It’s all easily checkable, but I suppose why do that when you can just tell a lie.

And again Free put his big 2 feet deep in it, where did i say TUSC or Socialist party I did not, Free you going to need to stop trying twisting words Its not working.
I said "we back the FBU section"

Ex-senior civil servant Siobhan Benita ran as an independent

.. she was an "Independent" full stop.

.. and I have just digested her manifesto - it's all about education and libraries. Nothing whatsoever about 'No Cuts', nothing about FBU, nothing about TUSC support.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

.. " We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section".

Oh no you didn't. The candidates were: -

Boris Johnson – Conservative.
Ken Livingstone - Labour.
Jenny Jones – Green.
Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats.
Siobhan Benita – Independent.
Lawrence Webb - Fresh Choice for London.
Carlos Cortiglia - British National Party.

And that’s it – no TUSC, no Socialist Party (England and Wales)

It’s all easily checkable, but I suppose why do that when you can just tell a lie.

And again Free put his big 2 feet deep in it, where did i say TUSC or Socialist party I did not, Free you going to need to stop trying twisting words Its not working.
I said "we back the FBU section"

.. you said "We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section"

I have listed ALL the candidates - FBU is not one of them. So, you DIDN'T 'have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections', did you?

If you did, who was it? Name and party label please?

Yes who we back is who we had standing so stop trying to twist words, or at lest try and learn how things of this nature work, and not all the time is the SP or TUSC is used we have other branches that might be used

freefinker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

.. " We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section".

Oh no you didn't. The candidates were: -

Boris Johnson – Conservative.
Ken Livingstone - Labour.
Jenny Jones – Green.
Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats.
Siobhan Benita – Independent.
Lawrence Webb - Fresh Choice for London.
Carlos Cortiglia - British National Party.

And that’s it – no TUSC, no Socialist Party (England and Wales)

It’s all easily checkable, but I suppose why do that when you can just tell a lie.

And again Free put his big 2 feet deep in it, where did i say TUSC or Socialist party I did not, Free you going to need to stop trying twisting words Its not working.
I said "we back the FBU section"

Ex-senior civil servant Siobhan Benita ran as an independent

.. she was an "Independent" full stop.

.. and I have just digested her manifesto - it's all about education and libraries. Nothing whatsoever about 'No Cuts', nothing about FBU, nothing about TUSC support.

Are you that bloodly stupid Free I hope not, You really don't have a clue how things operate.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
Stephen J the topic of individuals joining as all ready come up and it will be debated on in the near future, How the Labour party started is the same way how the TUSC started, its history repeating it self, so all in good time the individuals will be able to sooner or later.

Why would any true Socialist want to join the TUSC? Isn't it TUSC policy to work with Labour? After all, you tried to do electoral deals with Labour in Southampton last year, and the TUSC deliberately decided not to put up a candidate against Ken Linvingstone in the London Mayoral elections. Sounds a bit cosy to me.

No its not ex Labour members like Keith and Don we will.
And no we did not try to do any electoral deals with Labour last year, they came to us to try to do a electoral deal (little bit of a difference), but we just throw the ball back in there court, we was not going to give any ground unless they where willing to do also, but they just wanted to take and not give, so no deals was ever going to happen.
Also the TUSC is a Center to Left ground party, and not like the Labour Party who are just a right wing party now.
We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section

.. " We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections, we back the FBU section".

Oh no you didn't. The candidates were: -

Boris Johnson – Conservative.
Ken Livingstone - Labour.
Jenny Jones – Green.
Brian Paddick - Liberal Democrats.
Siobhan Benita – Independent.
Lawrence Webb - Fresh Choice for London.
Carlos Cortiglia - British National Party.

And that’s it – no TUSC, no Socialist Party (England and Wales)

It’s all easily checkable, but I suppose why do that when you can just tell a lie.

And again Free put his big 2 feet deep in it, where did i say TUSC or Socialist party I did not, Free you going to need to stop trying twisting words Its not working.
I said "we back the FBU section"

Ex-senior civil servant Siobhan Benita ran as an independent

.. she was an "Independent" full stop.

.. and I have just digested her manifesto - it's all about education and libraries. Nothing whatsoever about 'No Cuts', nothing about FBU, nothing about TUSC support.

Are you that bloodly stupid Free I hope not, You really don't have a clue how things operate.

.. fancy you suggesting someone else is bloody stupid!! That's really funny.

The fact is you (that is TUSC, SP, FBU, etc.) DIDN'T have a candidate in London but you may have asked your infinitesimal band of supporters to vote for an Independent. So, yet another terminological inexactitude.

freefinker get it out of your head all thing are recorded will you, Basic was we would back who ever the FBU would back as our intrests are the same, Benita was a labour party member but left as she no longer agreed with them, the FBU decided to back Benita and with that had our backing as intrests are basically the same, The FBU TUSC SP do not need to put a direct candidate up no party as to, they can choose who they want to back so there is less conflick of intrest.
Now I have explained all this to you before it seems it as not sunk in.

southy wrote:
freefinker get it out of your head all thing are recorded will you, Basic was we would back who ever the FBU would back as our intrests are the same, Benita was a labour party member but left as she no longer agreed with them, the FBU decided to back Benita and with that had our backing as intrests are basically the same, The FBU TUSC SP do not need to put a direct candidate up no party as to, they can choose who they want to back so there is less conflick of intrest.
Now I have explained all this to you before it seems it as not sunk in.

Bob Crow backed Ken. Without question. Now tell me Bob has no influence in the TUSC.

southy wrote:
No it was not part of our proposals, the only thing that there was if we knew of any councillors that would say no to cuts we would not stand against them, because right away would put them in line with our needs budget, as we could only cover 13 of the 16 wards, thinking was there why waste a candidate when both will be fighting the cuts it would allow a candidate to stand else where, and this is what worried councillor Letts and why he came to us with the Labour proposal.
could not tell his off hand i would need to back check a lot of paper work, but he was a FBU member.

So at no time you offered the concession to vote with Labour in the chamber if you were elected?

By the way, what do you make of this interesting quote from the 'real' left?

“TUSC is neither socialist, nor even in any meaningful sense an oppositional tendency. It acts as a political police force on behalf of the trade union apparatus and an adjunct of the very party it claims to have rejected.”

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
freefinker get it out of your head all thing are recorded will you, Basic was we would back who ever the FBU would back as our intrests are the same, Benita was a labour party member but left as she no longer agreed with them, the FBU decided to back Benita and with that had our backing as intrests are basically the same, The FBU TUSC SP do not need to put a direct candidate up no party as to, they can choose who they want to back so there is less conflick of intrest.
Now I have explained all this to you before it seems it as not sunk in.

Bob Crow backed Ken. Without question. Now tell me Bob has no influence in the TUSC.

Bob Crow backing Ken was a personal choice at the start, every one with in the TUSC could take there own personal choice but recomendation went to wards Benita who the FBU back.
This is how alliances are forge and how party grow in numbers.
check the deep history of the Labour Party before they was known as the Labour party and you see the same thing happening back then well over 100 years ago.
The TUSC is growing which is good and will in the end give people a choice

southy wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
freefinker get it out of your head all thing are recorded will you, Basic was we would back who ever the FBU would back as our intrests are the same, Benita was a labour party member but left as she no longer agreed with them, the FBU decided to back Benita and with that had our backing as intrests are basically the same, The FBU TUSC SP do not need to put a direct candidate up no party as to, they can choose who they want to back so there is less conflick of intrest.
Now I have explained all this to you before it seems it as not sunk in.

Bob Crow backed Ken. Without question. Now tell me Bob has no influence in the TUSC.

Bob Crow backing Ken was a personal choice at the start, every one with in the TUSC could take there own personal choice but recomendation went to wards Benita who the FBU back.
This is how alliances are forge and how party grow in numbers.
check the deep history of the Labour Party before they was known as the Labour party and you see the same thing happening back then well over 100 years ago.
The TUSC is growing which is good and will in the end give people a choice

So if the experience of the ASRS and Labour Party is anything to go by we can expect splits and divisions, rows and disaffectedness. Which is exactly what's happened in the Socialist movement. Don't try me on history.

southy wrote:
freefinker get it out of your head all thing are recorded will you, Basic was we would back who ever the FBU would back as our intrests are the same, Benita was a labour party member but left as she no longer agreed with them, the FBU decided to back Benita and with that had our backing as intrests are basically the same, The FBU TUSC SP do not need to put a direct candidate up no party as to, they can choose who they want to back so there is less conflick of intrest.
Now I have explained all this to you before it seems it as not sunk in.

.. so you now admit you DIDN'T put up a candidate but instead advised people to vote for an independent.

Enough said; you got it wrong when you said 'We did have some one standing in the London Mayoral elections'. You DIDN'T - it's a lie.

****-Biker wrote:

Inform Al wrote:
The Echo's poll shows UKIP streets ahead. Miliband has ruined Labour's chances by his anti referendum stance, despite over 60% of the electorate wanting it. A UKIP victory could be exactly what the nation needs to make the career politicians wake up.

Nigel Farage would not want to loose again in Eastleigh that’s the reason he won’t stand, and Labour are unlikely to win as they can’t even win a council seat

Just seen that NF ( what terrible initials) is not standing as there are some good Eastleigh candidates already. I hope they select Ray Finch, far and away the best choice but possibly not a brilliant politician, he's too honest.

southy wrote:
freefinker get it out of your head all thing are recorded will you, Basic was we would back who ever the FBU would back as our intrests are the same, Benita was a labour party member but left as she no longer agreed with them, the FBU decided to back Benita and with that had our backing as intrests are basically the same, The FBU TUSC SP do not need to put a direct candidate up no party as to, they can choose who they want to back so there is less conflick of intrest.
Now I have explained all this to you before it seems it as not sunk in.

"The meeting discussed the fact that TUSC had decided not to put up a candidate for mayor against Ken Livingstone, after some parts of the coalition including the FBU felt it would not be the best strategy."

Socialist Worker.

Stephen J wrote:

southy wrote:
freefinker get it out of your head all thing are recorded will you, Basic was we would back who ever the FBU would back as our intrests are the same, Benita was a labour party member but left as she no longer agreed with them, the FBU decided to back Benita and with that had our backing as intrests are basically the same, The FBU TUSC SP do not need to put a direct candidate up no party as to, they can choose who they want to back so there is less conflick of intrest.
Now I have explained all this to you before it seems it as not sunk in.

"The meeting discussed the fact that TUSC had decided not to put up a candidate for mayor against Ken Livingstone, after some parts of the coalition including the FBU felt it would not be the best strategy."

Socialist Worker.

.. ah, but that's the rag of the Socialist Workers Party - spit.

.. what did 'The Socialist' have to say? Same story, same facts, but no doubt a completely different interpretation.

Splitters.

Time for a sea change in politics. A vote for Lib/Lab/Con is a vote for more of the EU, more uncontrolled immigration and less self determination. A vote for UKIP is a vote for a Party that wants to see an exit from the money squandering EU, a return of autonomy, a return of democracy, and and control over our borders. I will be voting UKIP

southy wrote:
freefinker get it out of your head all thing are recorded will you, Basic was we would back who ever the FBU would back as our intrests are the same, Benita was a labour party member but left as she no longer agreed with them, the FBU decided to back Benita and with that had our backing as intrests are basically the same, The FBU TUSC SP do not need to put a direct candidate up no party as to, they can choose who they want to back so there is less conflick of intrest.
Now I have explained all this to you before it seems it as not sunk in.

It's a pity TUSC stood in the last local elections against the Labour candidates in Bitterne Park. The votes they stole from Labour enable two Tories to be elected