Labour select by-election candidate (From Daily Echo)

seems a decent enough chap whenever i've encountered him in the media. not much political experience (in office) but seems to have a fair amount of political nous and his book Things Can Only Get Better: Eighteen Miserable Years in the Life of a Labour Supporter, was a pretty entertaining and perceptive read.

I am not a political sheep, following a party just because of their name.

I have read this guys book, and he wins my vote, due to his practical, honest common-sense.

This guy is an idiot. His attempts to articulate an intelligent debate on TV at various time have highlighted his limitations.

Whatever happens, his experience in Eastleigh will provide him with at least one lucrative book and documentary deal, like his loss in Maidenhead did.

"This guy is an idiot" ha-ha. that's all a bit rich coming from you MGRA. i've been exposed to your own particular brand of idiocy on a daily basis recently on this comment board - and i tell you what, you really do come across as the idiot's idiot.

Good, not just another "safe bet" clone. If I lived in Eastleigh he'd get my vote.

jonnyx wrote:
"This guy is an idiot" ha-ha. that's all a bit rich coming from you MGRA. i've been exposed to your own particular brand of idiocy on a daily basis recently on this comment board - and i tell you what, you really do come across as the idiot's idiot.

you seem to struggle with the difference between the real world and the virtual world. So I take it you will vote for the labour novelty candidate.

what do you mean struggle between the real & virtual world mgra?

you can take how you think i will vote however you like mate - what difference does it make to you?

jonnyx wrote:
what do you mean struggle between the real & virtual world mgra?

you can take how you think i will vote however you like mate - what difference does it make to you?

you seem to take this forum seriously....... what planet are you on ?

jonnyx wrote:
what do you mean struggle between the real & virtual world mgra?

you can take how you think i will vote however you like mate - what difference does it make to you?

Johnny

Don't smack the idiot....NO NOOOO

"you seem to take this forum seriously....... what planet are you on ?"

yeah, you're right i do take things pretty seriously. and i'm willing to discuss, debate, disagree, insult, cajole and learn. you on the other hand seem to be a right wind-up merchant who is keen to breastbeat when you're being backed up by your idiot friends, however when you're asked to explain some of your clever-clever little insults, you fold like a cheap suit - *ooooh you don't take this seriously, do you?* simper, simper. idiots like you are contemptible - indeed beyond contempt, as J.P.M notes in their post.

Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption.

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That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho
use.


Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day.


Skip to 1:22:30.. LABOUR MP TESSA JOWELL IS DUMBFOUNDED WHEN SHE HEARS NO UK TESTING FOR FLUORIDE CONTAMINATION.


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Podcast:


http://hampshireagai
nstfluoridation.blog
spot.co.uk/2013/01/p
odcast-powered-by-po
dbean-january-12th.h
tml


also.



Podcast:


http://www.podbean.c
om/podcast-detail?pi
d=63347


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We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard.


In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination.

-


Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water.

-


http://www.who.int/w
ater_sanitation_heal
th/en/poster8.pdf

-


Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

-


http://ec.europa.eu/
environment/integrat
ion/research/newsale
rt/pdf/297na1.pdf






I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant SHAs are the only ones to blame

jonnyx wrote:
"you seem to take this forum seriously....... what planet are you on ?"

yeah, you're right i do take things pretty seriously. and i'm willing to discuss, debate, disagree, insult, cajole and learn. you on the other hand seem to be a right wind-up merchant who is keen to breastbeat when you're being backed up by your idiot friends, however when you're asked to explain some of your clever-clever little insults, you fold like a cheap suit - *ooooh you don't take this seriously, do you?* simper, simper. idiots like you are contemptible - indeed beyond contempt, as J.P.M notes in their post.

you need to take a pill dude... try to relax... this is not the real world... this is just idiots like you pretending they know stuff...

i'm entirely relaxed. thanks for your concern though. (looks in vain on echo site for 'ignore user' button).

Oh well, at long last NuLabour has officially got a candidate selected ( if that is the right word for stitch up). So now I know who I will be canvassing for on Sunday.

jonnyx wrote:
seems a decent enough chap whenever i've encountered him in the media. not much political experience (in office) but seems to have a fair amount of political nous and his book Things Can Only Get Better: Eighteen Miserable Years in the Life of a Labour Supporter, was a pretty entertaining and perceptive read.

I agree, but I just don't (yet) get the impression he's entirely committed to the serious side of being an MP. After all, elsewhere he's reminded everyone that "it's only for two years". To go from joke writer and comedian to serious potential politician is going to take a vast amount of effort. But then, it's about policies not personality, and that could be his biggest problem.

jonnyx wrote:
i'm entirely relaxed. thanks for your concern though. (looks in vain on echo site for 'ignore user' button).

but doesn't find button and felt need to reply to my post because of deep insecurity.

fair point stephen J.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Oh well, at long last NuLabour has officially got a candidate selected ( if that is the right word for stitch up). So now I know who I will be canvassing for on Sunday.

Who will you be canvassing for?

Stephen J wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote: Oh well, at long last NuLabour has officially got a candidate selected ( if that is the right word for stitch up). So now I know who I will be canvassing for on Sunday.

Who will you be canvassing for?

The NuLabour.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote: Oh well, at long last NuLabour has officially got a candidate selected ( if that is the right word for stitch up). So now I know who I will be canvassing for on Sunday.

Who will you be canvassing for?

The NuLabour.

In which case, after some of the things you've said about "NuLabour" recently and now having described the selection of their candidate as "a stitch up", your loyalty is either admirable or perverse. What I do know is that if I'd said publicly what you've said, I would be ready for at least one or two rather awkward questions on the doorsteps. Until Sunday, maybe you should practise saying "One Nation Labour" so that it trips easily off the tongue.

Stephen J wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote: Oh well, at long last NuLabour has officially got a candidate selected ( if that is the right word for stitch up). So now I know who I will be canvassing for on Sunday.

Who will you be canvassing for?

The NuLabour.

In which case, after some of the things you've said about "NuLabour" recently and now having described the selection of their candidate as "a stitch up", your loyalty is either admirable or perverse. What I do know is that if I'd said publicly what you've said, I would be ready for at least one or two rather awkward questions on the doorsteps. Until Sunday, maybe you should practise saying "One Nation Labour" so that it trips easily off the tongue.

Stephen, you criticism is fully justified.

My mitigation:
As at the time I made my decision there was no Socialist, Green or NHS candidate, I worked on Alan Lloyd to try for NuLabour nomination, he probably will say I pestered him.

You and few others may not share my reasoning but, I am convinced LibDem and Tories can be defeated by right kind of NuLabour candidate, and Alan is some of the old Labour type guy.

Other reason, I rather stick with Devil of NuLabour I know than other two monsters I do not.

Enemy of my enemy is a friend theory also played its part.

I was also phoned by very close friend Varindra Sharma MP to work with him in Eastleigh and I also promised the same to another old colleague and friend Alan Whitehead.

Although since then other candidates have come up, I am probably old fashioned person, who believe in honouring his word, especially given to friends.

So although NEC has kept Lloyd even off the short list, which is great disappointment, and also proof that good socialists have been marginalised within NuLabour, I can console myself because I have the opportunity to contribute my effort against opportunist and unprincipled Coalition partners who are victimising ordinary people and filling the pockets of super rich.

I am old enough to face the fact and can handle bit of justified stick from decent people. In my experience best thing to do is to be 100% honest with people who are intelligent and kind enough not to be too harsh.

This by election is not that much about NuLabour but about pro super rich and anti poor and young people policies of this Coalition. About broken manifesto pledges by both Tories and Lib Dem, about privatisation of NHS and above all honesty of politicians, for example how Huhne has let Eastleigh down. About Coaltion forcing local councils to implement cuts in badly needed services. How can likes of Keith House led Lib Dem support that Coalition?

Well it's nice to know I'm not the only one with a sense of humour !

Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption.

-


That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho

use.


Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day.


Skip to 1:22:30.. LABOUR MP TESSA JOWELL IS DUMBFOUNDED WHEN SHE HEARS NO UK TESTING FOR FLUORIDE CONTAMINATION.


-

Podcast:


http://hampshireagai

nstfluoridation.blog

spot.co.uk/2013/01/p

odcast-powered-by-po

dbean-january-12th.h

tml


also.



Podcast:


http://www.podbean.c

om/podcast-detail?pi

d=63347


-



We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard.


In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination.

-


Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water.

-


http://www.who.int/w

ater_sanitation_heal

th/en/poster8.pdf

-


Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

-


http://ec.europa.eu/

environment/integrat

ion/research/newsale

rt/pdf/297na1.pdf






I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant SHAs are the only ones to blame

Indeed. We look to the new Labour MP for Eastleigh to confront this international conspiracy cooked up, no doubt, by the Elders of Zion meeting in an East European cemetery.

MGRA wrote:
This guy is an idiot. His attempts to articulate an intelligent debate on TV at various time have highlighted his limitations.

Is this your opinion, or are you stating it as a matter of fact. Perhaps you can expand on your theory so that we can make our minds up. Who is the best Candidate in your honest and unbiased opinion?

MGRA wrote:

jonnyx wrote:
"you seem to take this forum seriously....... what planet are you on ?"

yeah, you're right i do take things pretty seriously. and i'm willing to discuss, debate, disagree, insult, cajole and learn. you on the other hand seem to be a right wind-up merchant who is keen to breastbeat when you're being backed up by your idiot friends, however when you're asked to explain some of your clever-clever little insults, you fold like a cheap suit - *ooooh you don't take this seriously, do you?* simper, simper. idiots like you are contemptible - indeed beyond contempt, as J.P.M notes in their post.

you need to take a pill dude... try to relax... this is not the real world... this is just idiots like you pretending they know stuff...

Shouldn't judge everyone by your own standards.

It seems like everyone us voting based on the person and not on his political views!

He back labour!...

The party that got us into this debt.. The party that will not agree to a referendum!
Another party that will not do anything about immigration!

I don't understand people when it comes to politics! What do you want a comedian or a politician that is going to improve your local area?

repcosy wrote:
It seems like everyone us voting based on the person and not on his political views!

He back labour!...

The party that got us into this debt.. The party that will not agree to a referendum!
Another party that will not do anything about immigration!

I don't understand people when it comes to politics! What do you want a comedian or a politician that is going to improve your local area?

I have not been able to work out what your first two sentences actually mean, you say Labour was the Party that got us into this debt, funny that I thought it was the Tory backed greedy incompetent bankers that were the cause of the problem. The Labour Party were the ones that didn't handle the problem correctly and paid the price in the Election. It would be better if electors voted for best person, not for their Political allegiance, we might get a better balance in Parliament if that happened.

"The party that got us into this debt.. The party that will not agree to a referendum!
Another party that will not do anything about immigration!"

if i may say so repcosy, you see to have a very short-term, limited view of political and social history if you think all the above is the fault of the 1997 + labour administration.

I'm guessing you all work for the public sector... So your backed by unions yes?

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Stephen J wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote: Oh well, at long last NuLabour has officially got a candidate selected ( if that is the right word for stitch up). So now I know who I will be canvassing for on Sunday.

Who will you be canvassing for?

The NuLabour.

In which case, after some of the things you've said about "NuLabour" recently and now having described the selection of their candidate as "a stitch up", your loyalty is either admirable or perverse. What I do know is that if I'd said publicly what you've said, I would be ready for at least one or two rather awkward questions on the doorsteps. Until Sunday, maybe you should practise saying "One Nation Labour" so that it trips easily off the tongue.

Stephen, you criticism is fully justified.

My mitigation:
As at the time I made my decision there was no Socialist, Green or NHS candidate, I worked on Alan Lloyd to try for NuLabour nomination, he probably will say I pestered him.

You and few others may not share my reasoning but, I am convinced LibDem and Tories can be defeated by right kind of NuLabour candidate, and Alan is some of the old Labour type guy.

Other reason, I rather stick with Devil of NuLabour I know than other two monsters I do not.

Enemy of my enemy is a friend theory also played its part.

I was also phoned by very close friend Varindra Sharma MP to work with him in Eastleigh and I also promised the same to another old colleague and friend Alan Whitehead.

Although since then other candidates have come up, I am probably old fashioned person, who believe in honouring his word, especially given to friends.

So although NEC has kept Lloyd even off the short list, which is great disappointment, and also proof that good socialists have been marginalised within NuLabour, I can console myself because I have the opportunity to contribute my effort against opportunist and unprincipled Coalition partners who are victimising ordinary people and filling the pockets of super rich.

I am old enough to face the fact and can handle bit of justified stick from decent people. In my experience best thing to do is to be 100% honest with people who are intelligent and kind enough not to be too harsh.

This by election is not that much about NuLabour but about pro super rich and anti poor and young people policies of this Coalition. About broken manifesto pledges by both Tories and Lib Dem, about privatisation of NHS and above all honesty of politicians, for example how Huhne has let Eastleigh down. About Coaltion forcing local councils to implement cuts in badly needed services. How can likes of Keith House led Lib Dem support that Coalition?

I appreciate your candid and thoughtful response. Thank you.

FoysCornerBoy wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption.

-


That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho


use.


Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day.


Skip to 1:22:30.. LABOUR MP TESSA JOWELL IS DUMBFOUNDED WHEN SHE HEARS NO UK TESTING FOR FLUORIDE CONTAMINATION.


-

Podcast:


http://hampshireagai


nstfluoridation.blog


spot.co.uk/2013/01/p


odcast-powered-by-po


dbean-january-12th.h


tml


also.



Podcast:


http://www.podbean.c


om/podcast-detail?pi


d=63347


-



We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard.


In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination.

-


Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water.

-


http://www.who.int/w


ater_sanitation_heal


th/en/poster8.pdf

-


Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

-


http://ec.europa.eu/


environment/integrat


ion/research/newsale


rt/pdf/297na1.pdf






I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant SHAs are the only ones to blame

Indeed. We look to the new Labour MP for Eastleigh to confront this international conspiracy cooked up, no doubt, by the Elders of Zion meeting in an East European cemetery.

FoysCornerBoy says.. Carcinogenic meat is a international conspiracy


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A lot more simpler.. the UK generally tests for infections and antibiotics and (apart from the obvious Chernobyl/Fukushima etc ) overlooks tests for environmental chemicals in meat.

That's why environmentally (Arsenic/Fluoride etc) contaminated meat is hard to export easy to import.

if you get some free time listen to the podcast, Skipto approx 80 mins.. MP Tessa Jowell hears no testing for Fluoride Contamination.

-

Podcast


http://tinyurl.com/c
zhu3fs


-


What gives with Bute (Carcinogenic, anti-inflammatory) like it's something new?

Thats been showing up in horse meat tests since 2010.


Toxic environmental chemicals can be counted in their hundreds.

FoysCornerBoy wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption.

-


That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho


use.


Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day.


Skip to 1:22:30.. LABOUR MP TESSA JOWELL IS DUMBFOUNDED WHEN SHE HEARS NO UK TESTING FOR FLUORIDE CONTAMINATION.


-

Podcast:


http://hampshireagai


nstfluoridation.blog


spot.co.uk/2013/01/p


odcast-powered-by-po


dbean-january-12th.h


tml


also.



Podcast:


http://www.podbean.c


om/podcast-detail?pi


d=63347


-



We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard.


In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination.

-


Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water.

-


http://www.who.int/w


ater_sanitation_heal


th/en/poster8.pdf

-


Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

-


http://ec.europa.eu/


environment/integrat


ion/research/newsale


rt/pdf/297na1.pdf






I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant SHAs are the only ones to blame

Indeed. We look to the new Labour MP for Eastleigh to confront this international conspiracy cooked up, no doubt, by the Elders of Zion meeting in an East European cemetery.

FoysCornerBoy says.. Carcinogenic meat is an international conspiracy


-


A lot more simpler.. the UK generally tests for infections and antibiotics and (apart from the obvious Chernobyl/Fukushima etc ) overlooks tests for environmental chemicals in meat.

That's why environmentally (Arsenic/Fluoride etc) contaminated meat is hard to export easy to import.

if you get some free time listen to the podcast, Skipto approx 80 mins.. MP Tessa Jowell hears no testing for Fluoride Contamination.

-

Podcast


http://tinyurl.com/c
zhu3fs


-


What gives with Bute (Carcinogenic, anti-inflammatory) like it's something new?

Thats been showing up in horse meat tests since 2010.


Toxic environmental chemicals can be counted in their hundreds.