Protests outside Civic Centre ahead of crucial budget vote (From Daily Echo)

And what about the poorest residents that from April 1st will have to pay 'Bedroom Tax' for any spare rooms if on benefit and some council tax as well. Bl00dy disgusting all round!! Yeah, tax the poor, sack the workers that'll help wont it?

bazzeroz wrote:
And what about the poorest residents that from April 1st will have to pay 'Bedroom Tax' for any spare rooms if on benefit and some council tax as well. Bl00dy disgusting all round!! Yeah, tax the poor, sack the workers that'll help wont it?

How does it work. If you're on benefits, been given a house which is too large for you, you're made to pay more tax on it?

rich the stitch wrote:

bazzeroz wrote:
And what about the poorest residents that from April 1st will have to pay 'Bedroom Tax' for any spare rooms if on benefit and some council tax as well. Bl00dy disgusting all round!! Yeah, tax the poor, sack the workers that'll help wont it?

How does it work. If you're on benefits, been given a house which is too large for you, you're made to pay more tax on it?

I think you'll find that there is a reduction in Benefits paid rather than extra taxation but there will now be a cost attached to a spare room provided at the taxpayers expense which will disappear if the householder downsizes so that a larger family can make full use of the property.

So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

rich the stitch wrote:
So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

This Bedroom Tax will effect both private and public sector alike and it will not matter if you rent, lease or own the property, if you claiming a benefit and have a spare bedroom you will get a reduction in benefit, Taxing the less well off sqeezing them more, just so more money can be diverted to the wealthy.

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote: So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

This Bedroom Tax will effect both private and public sector alike and it will not matter if you rent, lease or own the property, if you claiming a benefit and have a spare bedroom you will get a reduction in benefit, Taxing the less well off sqeezing them more, just so more money can be diverted to the wealthy.

Shouldn't you be out taking pictures and counting how many people were at the protest - and then muliplying it by 10?

rich the stitch wrote:
So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

Dear me thats quite a chip you have on your shoulder and it doesn't even appear to be based on facts just ideas that somebody has instilled in your little head.

rich the stitch wrote:
So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

Dear me thats quite a chip you have on your shoulder and it doesn't even appear to be based on facts just ideas that somebody has instilled in your little head.

ohec wrote:

rich the stitch wrote: So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

Dear me thats quite a chip you have on your shoulder and it doesn't even appear to be based on facts just ideas that somebody has instilled in your little head.

Just don't like the fact that when people get given things for free (or heavily subsidised) they still comlpain about it. Why build so many new council houses when the ones we have are not being used to their full potential - or are you happy about the amount of housing which needs to be built?
If you want to share the 'facts' with me I'll be more than happy to read them.

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:
So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

This Bedroom Tax will effect both private and public sector alike and it will not matter if you rent, lease or own the property, if you claiming a benefit and have a spare bedroom you will get a reduction in benefit, Taxing the less well off sqeezing them more, just so more money can be diverted to the wealthy.

.. not true, as has been explained many times to you before.

It will only apply to those in local authority or other social housing (e.g. housing association) who are on benefits and are 'deemed' to have spare bedrooms. It will take the form of a reduction in benefits.

Those in private rented accommodation and on benefits are already subjected to a housing benefit cap if they are deemed to have an excessive number of bedrooms.

Thus the new measures bring the public sector into line with the private sector.

It does NOT apply to those who own their homes and are on benefits. It does not apply to anyone not on benefits.

It really is about time you actually researched issues like this before you post.

rich the stitch wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote: So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

This Bedroom Tax will effect both private and public sector alike and it will not matter if you rent, lease or own the property, if you claiming a benefit and have a spare bedroom you will get a reduction in benefit, Taxing the less well off sqeezing them more, just so more money can be diverted to the wealthy.

Shouldn't you be out taking pictures and counting how many people were at the protest - and then muliplying it by 10?

awww Rich and how do you know i was not there, I could tell you now there was less here than at the last demo march in town, and today amouted in and around 100 people

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:
So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

This Bedroom Tax will effect both private and public sector alike and it will not matter if you rent, lease or own the property, if you claiming a benefit and have a spare bedroom you will get a reduction in benefit, Taxing the less well off sqeezing them more, just so more money can be diverted to the wealthy.

.. not true, as has been explained many times to you before.

It will only apply to those in local authority or other social housing (e.g. housing association) who are on benefits and are 'deemed' to have spare bedrooms. It will take the form of a reduction in benefits.

Those in private rented accommodation and on benefits are already subjected to a housing benefit cap if they are deemed to have an excessive number of bedrooms.

Thus the new measures bring the public sector into line with the private sector.

It does NOT apply to those who own their homes and are on benefits. It does not apply to anyone not on benefits.

It really is about time you actually researched issues like this before you post.

No its not it will effect any one claiming benefit, don't even try to make it out that its just HA or CH that will be subject to it, because it will not it will also applie to those in privately owned homes also and those who lease and privately rent, if you claim housing benefit and you have an empty bedroom not being used for what its meant to be used for, then your housing benefit will be cut.
The housing benefit cap is the max amount that can be claimed, reguardless which system your in.
And it will aply to those that own there own homes also, Try and understand it, read it all subsections also and stop skipping over it like you do.

I think you might be surprised at some of the rents being paid for council/housing association property, we need all of the housing council or private to accommodate our growing population, next to no social housing has been built since Margaret Thatcher decided it was a good idea to sell of our housing stock but not letting councils replace them with the revenue, so instead of gradually increasing our social housing stock over the years it has been left until there is now a chronic housing shortage with thousands on housing lists on top of that their are thousands of people wanting to buy affordable homes.
Because of our growing population greenfield sites will have to be built on which isn't popular but necessary.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:
So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

This Bedroom Tax will effect both private and public sector alike and it will not matter if you rent, lease or own the property, if you claiming a benefit and have a spare bedroom you will get a reduction in benefit, Taxing the less well off sqeezing them more, just so more money can be diverted to the wealthy.

.. not true, as has been explained many times to you before.

It will only apply to those in local authority or other social housing (e.g. housing association) who are on benefits and are 'deemed' to have spare bedrooms. It will take the form of a reduction in benefits.

Those in private rented accommodation and on benefits are already subjected to a housing benefit cap if they are deemed to have an excessive number of bedrooms.

Thus the new measures bring the public sector into line with the private sector.

It does NOT apply to those who own their homes and are on benefits. It does not apply to anyone not on benefits.

It really is about time you actually researched issues like this before you post.

No its not it will effect any one claiming benefit, don't even try to make it out that its just HA or CH that will be subject to it, because it will not it will also applie to those in privately owned homes also and those who lease and privately rent, if you claim housing benefit and you have an empty bedroom not being used for what its meant to be used for, then your housing benefit will be cut.
The housing benefit cap is the max amount that can be claimed, reguardless which system your in.
And it will aply to those that own there own homes also, Try and understand it, read it all subsections also and stop skipping over it like you do.

Housing Benefit if you rent privately already takes into account the number of bedrooms you are deemed to require. The maximum Housing Benefit you will get is thus already partially determined by this.

Those in privately owned homes are unable to claim Housing Benefit.

You even had today the nerve to call yourself a politician, yet you have clearly demonstrated your inability to understand even some of the more simple aspects of what any effective politician needs to know. First of all you get Council Tax hopelessly wrong, twice; and now you are making a fool of yourself with the Bedroom Tax. It is rather lucky for the inhabitants of Redbridge that you are unelectable; you would be truly awful at representing them and dealing with their issues when you knowledge of local government is so limited and your ability to research is practically non-existent.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote: So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

This Bedroom Tax will effect both private and public sector alike and it will not matter if you rent, lease or own the property, if you claiming a benefit and have a spare bedroom you will get a reduction in benefit, Taxing the less well off sqeezing them more, just so more money can be diverted to the wealthy.

.. not true, as has been explained many times to you before. It will only apply to those in local authority or other social housing (e.g. housing association) who are on benefits and are 'deemed' to have spare bedrooms. It will take the form of a reduction in benefits. Those in private rented accommodation and on benefits are already subjected to a housing benefit cap if they are deemed to have an excessive number of bedrooms. Thus the new measures bring the public sector into line with the private sector. It does NOT apply to those who own their homes and are on benefits. It does not apply to anyone not on benefits. It really is about time you actually researched issues like this before you post.

No its not it will effect any one claiming benefit, don't even try to make it out that its just HA or CH that will be subject to it, because it will not it will also applie to those in privately owned homes also and those who lease and privately rent, if you claim housing benefit and you have an empty bedroom not being used for what its meant to be used for, then your housing benefit will be cut. The housing benefit cap is the max amount that can be claimed, reguardless which system your in. And it will aply to those that own there own homes also, Try and understand it, read it all subsections also and stop skipping over it like you do.

Housing Benefit if you rent privately already takes into account the number of bedrooms you are deemed to require. The maximum Housing Benefit you will get is thus already partially determined by this. Those in privately owned homes are unable to claim Housing Benefit. You even had today the nerve to call yourself a politician, yet you have clearly demonstrated your inability to understand even some of the more simple aspects of what any effective politician needs to know. First of all you get Council Tax hopelessly wrong, twice; and now you are making a fool of yourself with the Bedroom Tax. It is rather lucky for the inhabitants of Redbridge that you are unelectable; you would be truly awful at representing them and dealing with their issues when you knowledge of local government is so limited and your ability to research is practically non-existent.

And his printer does not work.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

rich the stitch wrote:
So you get given (or heavily subsidised) council house, which is too big and could be used more economically by a larger family. Tough, pay more on your spare room (as it is a luxury which is not being used to its full potential) that’s if you’re not already renting it out for cash – or let a larger family use it better. Don’t like it, rent privately....too expensive, then you’re lucky to have a roof over your head. Give people an inch and they will take a mile.

This Bedroom Tax will effect both private and public sector alike and it will not matter if you rent, lease or own the property, if you claiming a benefit and have a spare bedroom you will get a reduction in benefit, Taxing the less well off sqeezing them more, just so more money can be diverted to the wealthy.

.. not true, as has been explained many times to you before.

It will only apply to those in local authority or other social housing (e.g. housing association) who are on benefits and are 'deemed' to have spare bedrooms. It will take the form of a reduction in benefits.

Those in private rented accommodation and on benefits are already subjected to a housing benefit cap if they are deemed to have an excessive number of bedrooms.

Thus the new measures bring the public sector into line with the private sector.

It does NOT apply to those who own their homes and are on benefits. It does not apply to anyone not on benefits.

It really is about time you actually researched issues like this before you post.

No its not it will effect any one claiming benefit, don't even try to make it out that its just HA or CH that will be subject to it, because it will not it will also applie to those in privately owned homes also and those who lease and privately rent, if you claim housing benefit and you have an empty bedroom not being used for what its meant to be used for, then your housing benefit will be cut.
The housing benefit cap is the max amount that can be claimed, reguardless which system your in.
And it will aply to those that own there own homes also, Try and understand it, read it all subsections also and stop skipping over it like you do.

Southy, I'm not going to explain how it works to you again as we have all tried. Go back to the TUSC boss and ask him to sit you down with some blank paper and some felt tip pens. Ask him to draw you pictures to describe how it works.

The 'bedroom tax' is doomed to fail. Where are the houses/properties to assist downsizing? According to some figures there are about 600,000 tenants that are 'over housed' by at least one bedroom and on housing benefit. This new law comes into effect on April 1st so there will no doubt, be thousands of tenants that will rush to exchange/downsize to save the penalty off lost benefits. After that once again the question: where are the houses/properties for the remainder of tenants that want to move? They are then caught in a catch 22 situation due to, no fault of their own and, losing benefit. The government say how much a person can claim to live on and then take back some and leave them poorer than what the law says is enough to live on......... Madness!!