Cameron 'trying to stop closure of Ford factory' (From Daily Echo)

roy may wrote:
Some questions for the LIBLABCONs who post on here
1) Why won't the immigration minister tell us what the estimated number of immigrants from Rumania and Bulgaria is?

2) Can these new immirgants claim any or all the following benefits :- Child Allowance, Housing , Tax Credits, Jobseekers, Free NHS and Dental Treatment and Free Education?

3)Can they go on the local housing list and take priority over locals acording to their needs?

4) Would it be illegal to deny them any of the above under EU and Human Rights Laws

5) Will the bill for all the above be paid for by the BRITISH TAXPAER ie you and I?

Well come on never mind all this name calling lets have some answers from both those who are posting on here and perhaps the LIBLABCON candidates

We are all waiting with baited breath”

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Some questions for the LIBLABCONs who post on here
1) Why won't the immigration minister tell us what the estimated number of immigrants from Rumania and Bulgaria is?

2) Can these new immirgants claim any or all the following benefits :- Child Allowance, Housing , Tax Credits, Jobseekers, Free NHS and Dental Treatment and Free Education?

3)Can they go on the local housing list and take priority over locals acording to their needs?

4) Would it be illegal to deny them any of the above under EU and Human Rights Laws

5) Will the bill for all the above be paid for by the BRITISH TAXPAER ie you and I?

Well come on never mind all this name calling lets have some answers from both those who are posting on here and perhaps the LIBLABCON candidates

We are all waiting with baited breath”

answer where I can and I am not a Lib/Con/Lab supporter.
1/ they can not put a figure on it because no one really knows, but more than likely be very few, as they are fighting there government to keep there services intack.
2/ As these countrys have there own welfare system very close to ours, we have an agreement with them, we can use theres to the same amount that they can use ours
3/ they dont take priority over others they are put on the list and the points that they gain will decide when and what sort of home they will get, the same as every one else on the list.
4/ it be illegal under british law, that countrys that we have agreement with where its a case of just swapping
5 well countrys like Romania and Hungry pay for the british in there country and there far more english in these two countrys than there is of them here.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Politicians are like the rest of us some good some bad and some ok, without them there would be a dictatorship.

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Some questions for the LIBLABCONs who post on here
1) Why won't the immigration minister tell us what the estimated number of immigrants from Rumania and Bulgaria is?

2) Can these new immirgants claim any or all the following benefits :- Child Allowance, Housing , Tax Credits, Jobseekers, Free NHS and Dental Treatment and Free Education?

3)Can they go on the local housing list and take priority over locals acording to their needs?

4) Would it be illegal to deny them any of the above under EU and Human Rights Laws

5) Will the bill for all the above be paid for by the BRITISH TAXPAER ie you and I?

Well come on never mind all this name calling lets have some answers from both those who are posting on here and perhaps the LIBLABCON candidates

We are all waiting with baited breath”

answer where I can and I am not a Lib/Con/Lab supporter.
1/ they can not put a figure on it because no one really knows, but more than likely be very few, as they are fighting there government to keep there services intack.
2/ As these countrys have there own welfare system very close to ours, we have an agreement with them, we can use theres to the same amount that they can use ours
3/ they dont take priority over others they are put on the list and the points that they gain will decide when and what sort of home they will get, the same as every one else on the list.
4/ it be illegal under british law, that countrys that we have agreement with where its a case of just swapping
5 well countrys like Romania and Hungry pay for the british in there country and there far more english in these two countrys than there is of them here.

roy may wrote:
Southy
The minimum wage in Rumania is just over £1.00 an hour.
The immigration minister refused to say how many immigrants are expected on the ground that he did not want to scare the British people.
They can DEMAND to go on the housing list and Will take priority over locals if needed
You are right, in spite of Cameron and his mob pretending he can restrict their benefits he cannot under EU laws
As you profess to be so well informed perhaps you can tell us how many British there are in Rumania and Bulgaria
Think on this A couple of weeks ago the Bulgarian TV (BTV) asked a Poll sample of 4500 how many would be hoping to come to the UK. Over half said they were. that give a potential of over 4000000 from Bulgaria alone. The hosing waiting lis should be quite large. Glad I am not on it are you?

roy may wrote:
Some questions for the LIBLABCONs who post on here
1) Why won't the immigration minister tell us what the estimated number of immigrants from Rumania and Bulgaria is?

2) Can these new immirgants claim any or all the following benefits :- Child Allowance, Housing , Tax Credits, Jobseekers, Free NHS and Dental Treatment and Free Education?

3)Can they go on the local housing list and take priority over locals acording to their needs?

4) Would it be illegal to deny them any of the above under EU and Human Rights Laws

5) Will the bill for all the above be paid for by the BRITISH TAXPAER ie you and I?

Well come on never mind all this name calling lets have some answers from both those who are posting on here and perhaps the LIBLABCON candidates

We are all waiting with baited breath”

Jack Herer wrote:

roy may wrote:
Some questions for the LIBLABCONs who post on here
1) Why won't the immigration minister tell us what the estimated number of immigrants from Rumania and Bulgaria is?

2) Can these new immirgants claim any or all the following benefits :- Child Allowance, Housing , Tax Credits, Jobseekers, Free NHS and Dental Treatment and Free Education?

3)Can they go on the local housing list and take priority over locals acording to their needs?

4) Would it be illegal to deny them any of the above under EU and Human Rights Laws

5) Will the bill for all the above be paid for by the BRITISH TAXPAER ie you and I?

Well come on never mind all this name calling lets have some answers from both those who are posting on here and perhaps the LIBLABCON candidates

We are all waiting with baited breath”

Crikey, all three parties now lumped together into one big mangled LIBLABCON.

Look, the honest truth is that it doesn't seem good being in Europe. It just hasn't worked as planned. Why are our youngsters having to compete with Polish, or Lithuanians for jobs for instance? It's hard enough out there already as it is. Britain would better off out of the EU surely, where we can moan about each other, rather than foreigners. UKIP are clearly not talking rubbish.

I won't defend Labour or the Tories. Labour want to stay on any public sector gravy train they can it appears, and the EU must be the biggest public sector fat cat exercise in history. As such Labour are bang up for the EU. Tony Blair will even appear on TV to protect that particular gravy train.

The Tories, well surely they have let themselves down massively. I thought they were for British interests first and foremost. Why do they not want the public to decide for themselves? Weak willed behaviour of the highest order.

The truth is that being in the EU does have some advantages however. It's stupid to suggest it's all negative. Now I don't want to speak for the Tories or Labour, because they obviously have their own shameless self interests, but I'm pretty sure the Lib Dems would have weighed up these pros and cons, and decided, by reason, the best policy.

I can say that with confidence because that's how the Lib Dems come to all their decisions. They clearly don't do things to be popular - one only need look at their hammering in the press to see that.

Importantly these policies aren't set in stone; they aren't tied to self interest and so they are ongoing and ever changing to best reflect the real world. As such, we both might think they are wrong now on the EU, but that being the case, they will undoubtedly weigh up the score, and decide a different policy.

The important thing is that their decision isn't made on what's in it for them or their mates. That's the politics of Labour and the Tories - the two main parties. Only the Lib Dems have the integrity to look out for the common man first and foremost.

UKIP do seem to talk sense but what is their policy beyond the EU and immigration? Do they even have any?

aldermoorboy wrote:
Politicians are like the rest of us some good some bad and some ok, without them there would be a dictatorship.

roy may wrote:
Southy
The minimum wage in Rumania is just over £1.00 an hour.
The immigration minister refused to say how many immigrants are expected on the ground that he did not want to scare the British people.
They can DEMAND to go on the housing list and Will take priority over locals if needed
You are right, in spite of Cameron and his mob pretending he can restrict their benefits he cannot under EU laws
As you profess to be so well informed perhaps you can tell us how many British there are in Rumania and Bulgaria
Think on this A couple of weeks ago the Bulgarian TV (BTV) asked a Poll sample of 4500 how many would be hoping to come to the UK. Over half said they were. that give a potential of over 4000000 from Bulgaria alone. The hosing waiting lis should be quite large. Glad I am not on it are you?

HillsidePaul wrote:
Roy May

Migrants do NOT get priority over local people for housing.

This is a myth put about by right wing tabloids to whip up outrage and sell newspapers to people too stupid/bigoted to think for themselves.

There are plenty of Council and Government websites where a quick search will explain chapter and verse of the law as it applies to housing.

CharlieOxbridge wrote:
UKIP would have been the only party to put up a fight to keep the Ford factory, they wouldnt have let Turks have it so easily.

roy may wrote:
Well we have a million unemployed and can now expect unspecified hundreds of thousands of immigrants from Rumania and Bulgaria, all looking for jobs, Ha Ha. I am unbelievably glad I am not a local Ford worker. Their future employment prospects look decidedly dodgy. Still I suppose some will still vote LIBLABCON.
I wnder how far they will need to travel to register with an NHS Dentist in 2015 or GP for that matter.

kingnotail wrote:

roy may wrote:
Southy
The minimum wage in Rumania is just over £1.00 an hour.
The immigration minister refused to say how many immigrants are expected on the ground that he did not want to scare the British people.
They can DEMAND to go on the housing list and Will take priority over locals if needed
You are right, in spite of Cameron and his mob pretending he can restrict their benefits he cannot under EU laws
As you profess to be so well informed perhaps you can tell us how many British there are in Rumania and Bulgaria
Think on this A couple of weeks ago the Bulgarian TV (BTV) asked a Poll sample of 4500 how many would be hoping to come to the UK. Over half said they were. that give a potential of over 4000000 from Bulgaria alone. The hosing waiting lis should be quite large. Glad I am not on it are you?

4 million? Are you completely mental? Please take your crazed right-wing paranoia and stick it where the sun don't shine...

roy may wrote:
Hillsidepaul,
if you bother to read what I have posted you will see that they WILL get priority if their needs demand it over and above the needs of locals. Now with the expected mass immigration of families expected (practicaly none of who have accomodation before arriving) the housing list will no doudt be under significant presure. And those with the greatest need regardless of their origin are by LAW given priority
Now tell me where i'm wrong

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Pete, organisation in 'Commonwealth' not "British Commonwealth".

I remember having reminded you before, long time ago. Please correct it before Freefinker find out.

The 'i' had interesting article in it yesterday, so may also have been in their larger version Independent on Brits living in Romania. Apparently figure how many British citizen live there is not available, but although income is not high cost of living is cheap and they love quality of life and most local people are not hysterical like UKIP.

Regarding students from Commonwealth nations, they pay even higher fees than already shockingly high £9000 by our own in England thanks to Lib-Dem double crossing students after last election (for lying about driver of car Huhne may be rightly jailed but for lying to get young people's vote Lib Dem will keep enjoying positions in the government, thanks to Tories) So British universities are very much dependent on income from foreign students.

Commonwealth students only have permission to remain in UK for limited time, and their spending also helps our economy. Because of Indian students being abused by minority of people but with loud foul mouths, trend now is to avoid UK and prefer USA, Australia, New Zealand or Russia.

That is why our British govt desperately trying to save that market in commercialised education. But thanks to likes of UKIPers damage may not be reversed. American universities are absolutely loving it.

HillsidePaul wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Some questions for the LIBLABCONs who post on here
1) Why won't the immigration minister tell us what the estimated number of immigrants from Rumania and Bulgaria is?

2) Can these new immirgants claim any or all the following benefits :- Child Allowance, Housing , Tax Credits, Jobseekers, Free NHS and Dental Treatment and Free Education?

3)Can they go on the local housing list and take priority over locals acording to their needs?

4) Would it be illegal to deny them any of the above under EU and Human Rights Laws

5) Will the bill for all the above be paid for by the BRITISH TAXPAER ie you and I?

Well come on never mind all this name calling lets have some answers from both those who are posting on here and perhaps the LIBLABCON candidates

We are all waiting with baited breath”

answer where I can and I am not a Lib/Con/Lab supporter.
1/ they can not put a figure on it because no one really knows, but more than likely be very few, as they are fighting there government to keep there services intack.
2/ As these countrys have there own welfare system very close to ours, we have an agreement with them, we can use theres to the same amount that they can use ours
3/ they dont take priority over others they are put on the list and the points that they gain will decide when and what sort of home they will get, the same as every one else on the list.
4/ it be illegal under british law, that countrys that we have agreement with where its a case of just swapping
5 well countrys like Romania and Hungry pay for the british in there country and there far more english in these two countrys than there is of them here.

blimey a post from southy that appears to be pretty much on the money as far as facts are concerned.

See you can do it if you try!

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Southy
The minimum wage in Rumania is just over £1.00 an hour.
The immigration minister refused to say how many immigrants are expected on the ground that he did not want to scare the British people.
They can DEMAND to go on the housing list and Will take priority over locals if needed
You are right, in spite of Cameron and his mob pretending he can restrict their benefits he cannot under EU laws
As you profess to be so well informed perhaps you can tell us how many British there are in Rumania and Bulgaria
Think on this A couple of weeks ago the Bulgarian TV (BTV) asked a Poll sample of 4500 how many would be hoping to come to the UK. Over half said they were. that give a potential of over 4000000 from Bulgaria alone. The hosing waiting lis should be quite large. Glad I am not on it are you?

I take it your not watching whats going on in Romania, Hungry and Bulgaria, the people there are have been on General Strike a number of times all ready, they been on the streets in millions to fight there governments do to dismantle there welfare system which close to like ares was before thatcher days.
It as nothing to do with scaring the public at all, its real case that they do not know how many or if any do, and it be very unlikely if you get any where near 50,000 from all 3 countrys, they are not interested they are more willing to fight for what they got and keep it intack, these people all ready know that they are more likely to get jobs in there own country than they would here.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Is this Tory Cameron same Dodgy Dave who was going to decrease government borrowing, but can't stop his buddy Georgi boy squating in number 11 to keep on borrowing billions so that Tories and Con Dem may afford tax reductions for super rich, subsidies for their businesses and help to Euro Zone (which UK did not join because of good decision by Gordon Brown) while screwing the ordinary hard working people, whose standard of living under Cameron and his partner Clegg have are going down like led bricks.

Where was this Cameron when his government was helping Ford with securing funds for building plants in Turkey, which nicked the jobs of Ford workers in Swaythling.

This by-election is opportunity for people of Eastleigh to tell both Cameron and Clegg on behalf of all the working class and vulnerable groups that they misled the nation and have ruined it, so it is time for Con Dem Coaltion of unprincipled parasites to GO, PACK UP AND JUST DISAPPEAR

Inform Al wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Pete, organisation in 'Commonwealth' not "British Commonwealth".

I remember having reminded you before, long time ago. Please correct it before Freefinker find out.

The 'i' had interesting article in it yesterday, so may also have been in their larger version Independent on Brits living in Romania. Apparently figure how many British citizen live there is not available, but although income is not high cost of living is cheap and they love quality of life and most local people are not hysterical like UKIP.

Regarding students from Commonwealth nations, they pay even higher fees than already shockingly high £9000 by our own in England thanks to Lib-Dem double crossing students after last election (for lying about driver of car Huhne may be rightly jailed but for lying to get young people's vote Lib Dem will keep enjoying positions in the government, thanks to Tories) So British universities are very much dependent on income from foreign students.

Commonwealth students only have permission to remain in UK for limited time, and their spending also helps our economy. Because of Indian students being abused by minority of people but with loud foul mouths, trend now is to avoid UK and prefer USA, Australia, New Zealand or Russia.

That is why our British govt desperately trying to save that market in commercialised education. But thanks to likes of UKIPers damage may not be reversed. American universities are absolutely loving it.

You've managed to get it wrong again. Fact is that UKIP is very pro the Commonwealth, which is probably why the UKIP canditate for Southampton Test at the last general election was a West Indian, Pearline Hingston. Please try to restrict yourself to the facts and not disengenuous hyperboli

IronLady2010 wrote:
It is morally wrong for Cameron to suggest he is trying to stop Fords closure during this By-Election.

He has no control over the closure, it's going to happen, to use the closure as some election promise is wrong. But nice try!

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
It is morally wrong for Cameron to suggest he is trying to stop Fords closure during this By-Election.

He has no control over the closure, it's going to happen, to use the closure as some election promise is wrong. But nice try!

Making sound bites of convenience for misleading people to get their votes certainly is immoral.

Sadly these days most if thankfully not whole of the political class is doing the same as out of touch arrogant posh boy Cameron, which is damaging democracy.

They should all be told to read experiments with truth by Mahatama Gandhi and learn from that. It's not heavy reading at all.

Linesman wrote:
If Cameron was so keen to stop Fords moving out, why did he have to wait until a by-election before he showed his face in the area?

Another Con trick?

ohec wrote:
Talk talk talk and then U turns thats the only thing that Cameron is good at, perhaps the whole Ford workforce should say they are GAY then he might be interested. Conservatives Labour and the LibDems put the whole lot of them in a bag and shake vigorously and you still wouldn't find one trustworthy reliable politician that isn't in it for what THEY can get out of it, the people of this country are on their own because not one of them is interested in what the people think, the only option open to us is to vote UKIP and give the three main parties a fright. They are all coming to Eastleigh and making all sorts of promises because they want something (our votes) then when the election is over you wont see them for dust and all of those promises will be forgotten, what a complete farce.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
It is morally wrong for Cameron to suggest he is trying to stop Fords closure during this By-Election.

He has no control over the closure, it's going to happen, to use the closure as some election promise is wrong. But nice try!

Making sound bites of convenience for misleading people to get their votes certainly is immoral.

Sadly these days most if thankfully not whole of the political class is doing the same as out of touch arrogant posh boy Cameron, which is damaging democracy.

They should all be told to read experiments with truth by Mahatama Gandhi and learn from that. It's not heavy reading at all.

It's also immoral that I just paid £92.20 for an India Visa, but I'll be out of UK soon enjoying the sun and leave you all in the capable hands of the UK Government.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
It is morally wrong for Cameron to suggest he is trying to stop Fords closure during this By-Election.

He has no control over the closure, it's going to happen, to use the closure as some election promise is wrong. But nice try!

Making sound bites of convenience for misleading people to get their votes certainly is immoral.

Sadly these days most if thankfully not whole of the political class is doing the same as out of touch arrogant posh boy Cameron, which is damaging democracy.

They should all be told to read experiments with truth by Mahatama Gandhi and learn from that. It's not heavy reading at all.

It's also immoral that I just paid £92.20 for an India Visa, but I'll be out of UK soon enjoying the sun and leave you all in the capable hands of the UK Government.

Iron Lady, Please think carefully before Indian adventure, for women it could become misadventure.

I may love India, but that nation has become very dangerous for women.

Change of economic policies and political direction has completely destroyed what used to preceived as Indian culture/values. Now disturbingly large number of people smile in face and stab on your back, hypocrisy not British monopoly any more!!!

Police is very corrupt, food adulteration has become norm. (now even here I can only have pony burgers from Wales and Yorkshire although your U-kippers would only blame Romania!) In Mumbai even drinking unboiled water may cause problem.

You may not like it but I fully support Indian High Commission charging high visa fees. Reason for that is how British High Commission used to treat Indian visa seekers in India. In my view fully justified tit for tat.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Considering my parents suffered more than you can imagine for that country's freedom I have can't hel loving that country.

Buying home in India or other properties, with first hand experience I will say NO. Even if you are Indian, but for crooks criminals thugs or people willing to pay bribes to highly corrupt officials it is different.

People tend to romanticise India and associate it with Mahatama Gandhi, but forget it was India's own fundamentalist fascists who killed that great man.

Like every where else yes there still are some good Gandhians in India, but overall what has started to happen to women there it is starting to become worse than even Pakistan.

If you have reliable friends there stick with them like glue.

Have a nice trip.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Pete, organisation in 'Commonwealth' not "British Commonwealth".

I remember having reminded you before, long time ago. Please correct it before Freefinker find out.

The 'i' had interesting article in it yesterday, so may also have been in their larger version Independent on Brits living in Romania. Apparently figure how many British citizen live there is not available, but although income is not high cost of living is cheap and they love quality of life and most local people are not hysterical like UKIP.

Regarding students from Commonwealth nations, they pay even higher fees than already shockingly high £9000 by our own in England thanks to Lib-Dem double crossing students after last election (for lying about driver of car Huhne may be rightly jailed but for lying to get young people's vote Lib Dem will keep enjoying positions in the government, thanks to Tories) So British universities are very much dependent on income from foreign students.

Commonwealth students only have permission to remain in UK for limited time, and their spending also helps our economy. Because of Indian students being abused by minority of people but with loud foul mouths, trend now is to avoid UK and prefer USA, Australia, New Zealand or Russia.

That is why our British govt desperately trying to save that market in commercialised education. But thanks to likes of UKIPers damage may not be reversed. American universities are absolutely loving it.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Southy
The minimum wage in Rumania is just over £1.00 an hour.
The immigration minister refused to say how many immigrants are expected on the ground that he did not want to scare the British people.
They can DEMAND to go on the housing list and Will take priority over locals if needed
You are right, in spite of Cameron and his mob pretending he can restrict their benefits he cannot under EU laws
As you profess to be so well informed perhaps you can tell us how many British there are in Rumania and Bulgaria
Think on this A couple of weeks ago the Bulgarian TV (BTV) asked a Poll sample of 4500 how many would be hoping to come to the UK. Over half said they were. that give a potential of over 4000000 from Bulgaria alone. The hosing waiting lis should be quite large. Glad I am not on it are you?

I take it your not watching whats going on in Romania, Hungry and Bulgaria, the people there are have been on General Strike a number of times all ready, they been on the streets in millions to fight there governments do to dismantle there welfare system which close to like ares was before thatcher days.
It as nothing to do with scaring the public at all, its real case that they do not know how many or if any do, and it be very unlikely if you get any where near 50,000 from all 3 countrys, they are not interested they are more willing to fight for what they got and keep it intack, these people all ready know that they are more likely to get jobs in there own country than they would here.

.. southy, you say ‘they are not interested they are more willing to fight for what they got and keep it intack’ as if everyone in these countries all think the same and do the same. That is no truer there than it is here.

You can’t just lump a whole nation into one pigeonhole just because it suits your argument. These countries are democracies and there is obviously large numbers of people, who voted in these governments, who do agree with what the state is attempting to dismantle.

Also, just because there are large numbers of people demonstrating to prevent the dismantling of their social and welfare institutions does NOT mean that there are many others making the decision that a life in another EU country (and not at all necessarily the UK) may bring them the happiness and prosperity they are not succeeding in finding in their own lands.

Also, Paramjit, I did notice the jingoistic, nationalistic and anti-internationalis

t ‘British’ Commonwealth comment of the Redbridge Trot. Was going to severely tell him off for his imperialistic right wing mind-set, but you beat me to it.

southy wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Pete, organisation in 'Commonwealth' not "British Commonwealth".

I remember having reminded you before, long time ago. Please correct it before Freefinker find out.

The 'i' had interesting article in it yesterday, so may also have been in their larger version Independent on Brits living in Romania. Apparently figure how many British citizen live there is not available, but although income is not high cost of living is cheap and they love quality of life and most local people are not hysterical like UKIP.

Regarding students from Commonwealth nations, they pay even higher fees than already shockingly high £9000 by our own in England thanks to Lib-Dem double crossing students after last election (for lying about driver of car Huhne may be rightly jailed but for lying to get young people's vote Lib Dem will keep enjoying positions in the government, thanks to Tories) So British universities are very much dependent on income from foreign students.

Commonwealth students only have permission to remain in UK for limited time, and their spending also helps our economy. Because of Indian students being abused by minority of people but with loud foul mouths, trend now is to avoid UK and prefer USA, Australia, New Zealand or Russia.

That is why our British govt desperately trying to save that market in commercialised education. But thanks to likes of UKIPers damage may not be reversed. American universities are absolutely loving it.

The British comes into it, because you have 2 other Commonwealths in Europe, So you british so not to get it mix up with the French, Spainish Commonwealths

IronLady2010 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Considering my parents suffered more than you can imagine for that country's freedom I have can't hel loving that country.

Buying home in India or other properties, with first hand experience I will say NO. Even if you are Indian, but for crooks criminals thugs or people willing to pay bribes to highly corrupt officials it is different.

People tend to romanticise India and associate it with Mahatama Gandhi, but forget it was India's own fundamentalist fascists who killed that great man.

Like every where else yes there still are some good Gandhians in India, but overall what has started to happen to women there it is starting to become worse than even Pakistan.

If you have reliable friends there stick with them like glue.

Have a nice trip.

My friends in India are very good friends indeed. They despise the corrupt Government, I guess my point is that we are very lucky over here, we think our Government are corrupt and yet our friends in India have the most corrupt politians ever.

It's strange that in India, when voting takes place a ban on alcholol takes place to help prevent politicians bribing.

But despite all it's faults, I love India, it is a beautiful Country with so much history. I have been going for many years and will continue my visit despite the reports of rape etc, which to be honest is very rare for a tourist.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Southy
The minimum wage in Rumania is just over £1.00 an hour.
The immigration minister refused to say how many immigrants are expected on the ground that he did not want to scare the British people.
They can DEMAND to go on the housing list and Will take priority over locals if needed
You are right, in spite of Cameron and his mob pretending he can restrict their benefits he cannot under EU laws
As you profess to be so well informed perhaps you can tell us how many British there are in Rumania and Bulgaria
Think on this A couple of weeks ago the Bulgarian TV (BTV) asked a Poll sample of 4500 how many would be hoping to come to the UK. Over half said they were. that give a potential of over 4000000 from Bulgaria alone. The hosing waiting lis should be quite large. Glad I am not on it are you?

I take it your not watching whats going on in Romania, Hungry and Bulgaria, the people there are have been on General Strike a number of times all ready, they been on the streets in millions to fight there governments do to dismantle there welfare system which close to like ares was before thatcher days.
It as nothing to do with scaring the public at all, its real case that they do not know how many or if any do, and it be very unlikely if you get any where near 50,000 from all 3 countrys, they are not interested they are more willing to fight for what they got and keep it intack, these people all ready know that they are more likely to get jobs in there own country than they would here.

.. southy, you say ‘they are not interested they are more willing to fight for what they got and keep it intack’ as if everyone in these countries all think the same and do the same. That is no truer there than it is here.

You can’t just lump a whole nation into one pigeonhole just because it suits your argument. These countries are democracies and there is obviously large numbers of people, who voted in these governments, who do agree with what the state is attempting to dismantle.

Also, just because there are large numbers of people demonstrating to prevent the dismantling of their social and welfare institutions does NOT mean that there are many others making the decision that a life in another EU country (and not at all necessarily the UK) may bring them the happiness and prosperity they are not succeeding in finding in their own lands.

Also, Paramjit, I did notice the jingoistic, nationalistic and anti-internationalis


t ‘British’ Commonwealth comment of the Redbridge Trot. Was going to severely tell him off for his imperialistic right wing mind-set, but you beat me to it.

Don't forget thats just what UKIP and the BNP are doing.

Ok let me put it this way Free, If I say Commonwealth which Commonwealth do I mean in the world remembering there are at lest 2 more in Europe The French Commonwealth and the Spainish Commonwealth oh and I forgot the Portugise Commonwealth.
I say British because it defines which Commonwealth I am on about.

southy wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Pete, organisation in 'Commonwealth' not "British Commonwealth".

I remember having reminded you before, long time ago. Please correct it before Freefinker find out.

The 'i' had interesting article in it yesterday, so may also have been in their larger version Independent on Brits living in Romania. Apparently figure how many British citizen live there is not available, but although income is not high cost of living is cheap and they love quality of life and most local people are not hysterical like UKIP.

Regarding students from Commonwealth nations, they pay even higher fees than already shockingly high £9000 by our own in England thanks to Lib-Dem double crossing students after last election (for lying about driver of car Huhne may be rightly jailed but for lying to get young people's vote Lib Dem will keep enjoying positions in the government, thanks to Tories) So British universities are very much dependent on income from foreign students.

Commonwealth students only have permission to remain in UK for limited time, and their spending also helps our economy. Because of Indian students being abused by minority of people but with loud foul mouths, trend now is to avoid UK and prefer USA, Australia, New Zealand or Russia.

That is why our British govt desperately trying to save that market in commercialised education. But thanks to likes of UKIPers damage may not be reversed. American universities are absolutely loving it.

The British comes into it, because you have 2 other Commonwealths in Europe, So you british so not to get it mix up with the French, Spainish Commonwealths

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:
If Cameron was so keen to stop Fords moving out, why did he have to wait until a by-election before he showed his face in the area?

Another Con trick?

Let's hope Millie doesn't come down this way. He'll ruin everything for you! ;-)

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:
If Cameron was so keen to stop Fords moving out, why did he have to wait until a by-election before he showed his face in the area?

Another Con trick?

Let's hope Millie doesn't come down this way. He'll ruin everything for you! ;-)

I fail to see how he could make the Ford situation any worse.

One sure thing, he would not be making them a grant.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Pete, organisation in 'Commonwealth' not "British Commonwealth".

I remember having reminded you before, long time ago. Please correct it before Freefinker find out.

The 'i' had interesting article in it yesterday, so may also have been in their larger version Independent on Brits living in Romania. Apparently figure how many British citizen live there is not available, but although income is not high cost of living is cheap and they love quality of life and most local people are not hysterical like UKIP.

Regarding students from Commonwealth nations, they pay even higher fees than already shockingly high £9000 by our own in England thanks to Lib-Dem double crossing students after last election (for lying about driver of car Huhne may be rightly jailed but for lying to get young people's vote Lib Dem will keep enjoying positions in the government, thanks to Tories) So British universities are very much dependent on income from foreign students.

Commonwealth students only have permission to remain in UK for limited time, and their spending also helps our economy. Because of Indian students being abused by minority of people but with loud foul mouths, trend now is to avoid UK and prefer USA, Australia, New Zealand or Russia.

That is why our British govt desperately trying to save that market in commercialised education. But thanks to likes of UKIPers damage may not be reversed. American universities are absolutely loving it.

You've managed to get it wrong again. Fact is that UKIP is very pro the Commonwealth, which is probably why the UKIP canditate for Southampton Test at the last general election was a West Indian, Pearline Hingston. Please try to restrict yourself to the facts and not disengenuous hyperboli

Pro Commonwealth may certainly be music to my ears, but then you people also keep on rattling like snakes about Commonealth students, who generate plenty of income for British universities.

Those rants and high fees are some of the reasons why students from India have started to go to USA and Australia.

British Commonwealth was renamed Commonwalth for projecting equality for all commonwealth nations, because socialist leaders of India like Nehru and many others wanted to remove stink of imperialism. But way many UKIPers come across leaves the impression that they still view Commonwealth as re labeled British Raj/Empire.

Have you ever considered why even opponents of EU like me won't touch UKIP even with a barge pole?

I like Hillsidepal on this site have never fallen for the trap of candidate's skin colour. It is the policies we and most others care about.

Do you really think if a relative of mine who has same skin colour like mine but contributed £1000 to Tory Chris Chope's campaign is CONservative candidate I will vote for him? NO NEVER EVER, even though we are very close as relatives.

Admittedly Nigel Farage is very clever in picking his words to be caught out, but reality of UKIP is their candidate in Eastleigh who other day tarnished whole of Romania with her xenophobic poisonous paint. That is why even decent Tories avoid UKIP like plague.

Is it not strange that while keep on shouting about immigration UKIP does not get hysterical about emigration?

Stephen J wrote:
A Bulgarian writing on the Spectator forum last month wrote this: "Bulgarians will start coming back to their land when they realize what you offer. A shi***-pipe dream that is. Dignity will overcome propaganda and the love of money. Dignity was that thing we used to associate the word "British" with. Remember that one?" Despite the picture UKIP wants to paint, Bulgaria and Romania are full of ordinary people just like us. Someone said yesterday that we are the laughing stock of Europe. It's far, far worse than that. Ordinary, hard working people in Bulgaria and Romania don't laugh at us; they regard us with the deepest derision because of our evil attitude towards them. So, if we want to take advantage of the opportunities in their countries that their EU membership can offer us, the least we can do is welcome those who want to come to Britain and give it a go here.

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote: If Cameron was so keen to stop Fords moving out, why did he have to wait until a by-election before he showed his face in the area? Another Con trick?

Let's hope Millie doesn't come down this way. He'll ruin everything for you! ;-)

I fail to see how he could make the Ford situation any worse. One sure thing, he would not be making them a grant.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote: If Cameron was so keen to stop Fords moving out, why did he have to wait until a by-election before he showed his face in the area? Another Con trick?

Let's hope Millie doesn't come down this way. He'll ruin everything for you! ;-)

I fail to see how he could make the Ford situation any worse. One sure thing, he would not be making them a grant.

By the time people will remove Con-Dem Coalition, they would have made such a big mess that who ever comes into power won't have any money left to give any grants.

That is why Cameron Clegg led danger to nation's economic health should be removed from office ASAP

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I made the mistake of going in to Eastleigh yesterday, the worse thing that UKIP could have done was badger me 8 or 9 times as I went through the shopping area, once would have been enough, but if this is an example of how they are going to go about their business it won't get my vote. Why vote for a one trick pony anyway?

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Southy
The minimum wage in Rumania is just over £1.00 an hour.
The immigration minister refused to say how many immigrants are expected on the ground that he did not want to scare the British people.
They can DEMAND to go on the housing list and Will take priority over locals if needed
You are right, in spite of Cameron and his mob pretending he can restrict their benefits he cannot under EU laws
As you profess to be so well informed perhaps you can tell us how many British there are in Rumania and Bulgaria
Think on this A couple of weeks ago the Bulgarian TV (BTV) asked a Poll sample of 4500 how many would be hoping to come to the UK. Over half said they were. that give a potential of over 4000000 from Bulgaria alone. The hosing waiting lis should be quite large. Glad I am not on it are you?

I take it your not watching whats going on in Romania, Hungry and Bulgaria, the people there are have been on General Strike a number of times all ready, they been on the streets in millions to fight there governments do to dismantle there welfare system which close to like ares was before thatcher days.
It as nothing to do with scaring the public at all, its real case that they do not know how many or if any do, and it be very unlikely if you get any where near 50,000 from all 3 countrys, they are not interested they are more willing to fight for what they got and keep it intack, these people all ready know that they are more likely to get jobs in there own country than they would here.

.. southy, you say ‘they are not interested they are more willing to fight for what they got and keep it intack’ as if everyone in these countries all think the same and do the same. That is no truer there than it is here.

You can’t just lump a whole nation into one pigeonhole just because it suits your argument. These countries are democracies and there is obviously large numbers of people, who voted in these governments, who do agree with what the state is attempting to dismantle.

Also, just because there are large numbers of people demonstrating to prevent the dismantling of their social and welfare institutions does NOT mean that there are many others making the decision that a life in another EU country (and not at all necessarily the UK) may bring them the happiness and prosperity they are not succeeding in finding in their own lands.

Also, Paramjit, I did notice the jingoistic, nationalistic and anti-internationalis



t ‘British’ Commonwealth comment of the Redbridge Trot. Was going to severely tell him off for his imperialistic right wing mind-set, but you beat me to it.

Don't forget thats just what UKIP and the BNP are doing.

Ok let me put it this way Free, If I say Commonwealth which Commonwealth do I mean in the world remembering there are at lest 2 more in Europe The French Commonwealth and the Spainish Commonwealth oh and I forgot the Portugise Commonwealth.
I say British because it defines which Commonwealth I am on about.

.. wot?

What on earth do you mean by 'Don't forget thats just what UKIP and the BNP are doing'? Nothing I said could in any way be construed as right wing hysteria.

It’s you who’s talking a load of stereotypical Trotskyist rubbish.

Vote Daz Procter wrote:
It is the workers and trade unions at Fords who have fought the dismantling of jobs and industry in Southampton. They have the full support of the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition and the National Shop Stewards Network who have given backing to the fight to save jobs since cuts announced in 2009 and the unofficial strike action at the plant.

ConDems have failed to restore economic growth with their austerity cuts and private industry has failed to invest.

Labour have no answers and are unprepared to back a fighting alternative to cuts.

We need politicians who live in the real world and are prepared to back up their promises with action.

The only candidate to fight cuts and sleaze is Daz Procter TUSC candidate, for a workers MP on a workers wage!

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Southy
The minimum wage in Rumania is just over £1.00 an hour.
The immigration minister refused to say how many immigrants are expected on the ground that he did not want to scare the British people.
They can DEMAND to go on the housing list and Will take priority over locals if needed
You are right, in spite of Cameron and his mob pretending he can restrict their benefits he cannot under EU laws
As you profess to be so well informed perhaps you can tell us how many British there are in Rumania and Bulgaria
Think on this A couple of weeks ago the Bulgarian TV (BTV) asked a Poll sample of 4500 how many would be hoping to come to the UK. Over half said they were. that give a potential of over 4000000 from Bulgaria alone. The hosing waiting lis should be quite large. Glad I am not on it are you?

I take it your not watching whats going on in Romania, Hungry and Bulgaria, the people there are have been on General Strike a number of times all ready, they been on the streets in millions to fight there governments do to dismantle there welfare system which close to like ares was before thatcher days.
It as nothing to do with scaring the public at all, its real case that they do not know how many or if any do, and it be very unlikely if you get any where near 50,000 from all 3 countrys, they are not interested they are more willing to fight for what they got and keep it intack, these people all ready know that they are more likely to get jobs in there own country than they would here.

.. southy, you say ‘they are not interested they are more willing to fight for what they got and keep it intack’ as if everyone in these countries all think the same and do the same. That is no truer there than it is here.

You can’t just lump a whole nation into one pigeonhole just because it suits your argument. These countries are democracies and there is obviously large numbers of people, who voted in these governments, who do agree with what the state is attempting to dismantle.

Also, just because there are large numbers of people demonstrating to prevent the dismantling of their social and welfare institutions does NOT mean that there are many others making the decision that a life in another EU country (and not at all necessarily the UK) may bring them the happiness and prosperity they are not succeeding in finding in their own lands.

Also, Paramjit, I did notice the jingoistic, nationalistic and anti-internationalis




t ‘British’ Commonwealth comment of the Redbridge Trot. Was going to severely tell him off for his imperialistic right wing mind-set, but you beat me to it.

Don't forget thats just what UKIP and the BNP are doing.

Ok let me put it this way Free, If I say Commonwealth which Commonwealth do I mean in the world remembering there are at lest 2 more in Europe The French Commonwealth and the Spainish Commonwealth oh and I forgot the Portugise Commonwealth.
I say British because it defines which Commonwealth I am on about.

.. wot?

What on earth do you mean by 'Don't forget thats just what UKIP and the BNP are doing'? Nothing I said could in any way be construed as right wing hysteria.

It’s you who’s talking a load of stereotypical Trotskyist rubbish.

In Europe Free, BNP and UKIP as been known to vote on the UK welfare system and changes that have to be made

Inform Al wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Linesman wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote: If Cameron was so keen to stop Fords moving out, why did he have to wait until a by-election before he showed his face in the area? Another Con trick?

Let's hope Millie doesn't come down this way. He'll ruin everything for you! ;-)

I fail to see how he could make the Ford situation any worse. One sure thing, he would not be making them a grant.

By the time people will remove Con-Dem Coalition, they would have made such a big mess that who ever comes into power won't have any money left to give any grants.

That is why Cameron Clegg led danger to nation's economic health should be removed from office ASAP

Just for once you're right, but the only party likely to be able to dig us out of the sh1t is the one prepared to give us the referendum on the EU. UKIP/

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Pete, organisation in 'Commonwealth' not "British Commonwealth".

I remember having reminded you before, long time ago. Please correct it before Freefinker find out.

The 'i' had interesting article in it yesterday, so may also have been in their larger version Independent on Brits living in Romania. Apparently figure how many British citizen live there is not available, but although income is not high cost of living is cheap and they love quality of life and most local people are not hysterical like UKIP.

Regarding students from Commonwealth nations, they pay even higher fees than already shockingly high £9000 by our own in England thanks to Lib-Dem double crossing students after last election (for lying about driver of car Huhne may be rightly jailed but for lying to get young people's vote Lib Dem will keep enjoying positions in the government, thanks to Tories) So British universities are very much dependent on income from foreign students.

Commonwealth students only have permission to remain in UK for limited time, and their spending also helps our economy. Because of Indian students being abused by minority of people but with loud foul mouths, trend now is to avoid UK and prefer USA, Australia, New Zealand or Russia.

That is why our British govt desperately trying to save that market in commercialised education. But thanks to likes of UKIPers damage may not be reversed. American universities are absolutely loving it.

The British comes into it, because you have 2 other Commonwealths in Europe, So you british so not to get it mix up with the French, Spainish Commonwealths

.. and, indeed, The Commonwealth of Independent States (aka most of the old Soviet Union).

But you are wrong, no surprise there. It is the Commonwealth of Nations and does not just consist of ex British colonies or protectorates. Included in membership are countries that were wholly or partially colonies of Portugal, Belgium and France.

France does NOT have a ‘commonwealth’ – its association of ex colonies is called the French Union (Union Française).

Spain does NOT have a ‘commonwealth’ – almost all its colonies broke away by revolution in the 19th century.

Portugal, however, does have a Community of Portuguese Language Countries; but it’s very open to membership as Australia, Ukraine and Philippines are amongst its many members.

So, having disposed of your erroneous statement, we are just left with the Commonwealth for which no right wing imperialist additional words are required.

Nothing to get it 'mix up' with; except your Soviet friends.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Pete, organisation in 'Commonwealth' not "British Commonwealth".

I remember having reminded you before, long time ago. Please correct it before Freefinker find out.

The 'i' had interesting article in it yesterday, so may also have been in their larger version Independent on Brits living in Romania. Apparently figure how many British citizen live there is not available, but although income is not high cost of living is cheap and they love quality of life and most local people are not hysterical like UKIP.

Regarding students from Commonwealth nations, they pay even higher fees than already shockingly high £9000 by our own in England thanks to Lib-Dem double crossing students after last election (for lying about driver of car Huhne may be rightly jailed but for lying to get young people's vote Lib Dem will keep enjoying positions in the government, thanks to Tories) So British universities are very much dependent on income from foreign students.

Commonwealth students only have permission to remain in UK for limited time, and their spending also helps our economy. Because of Indian students being abused by minority of people but with loud foul mouths, trend now is to avoid UK and prefer USA, Australia, New Zealand or Russia.

That is why our British govt desperately trying to save that market in commercialised education. But thanks to likes of UKIPers damage may not be reversed. American universities are absolutely loving it.

The British comes into it, because you have 2 other Commonwealths in Europe, So you british so not to get it mix up with the French, Spainish Commonwealths

Pete, Yes I remember you saying the same last time. But there is no such thing as British Commonwealth anymore, only 'COMMONWEALTH'.

You probably are one of the best intentioned people around, BUT agreeing to facts if they contradict you isn't exactly part of your DNA, is it?

For next few days I am very busy, but how about me driving you to London to Commonwealth office so you can read what it reads outside Commonwealth office? Knowing you probably still be saying somebody has spelt it wrong.

On historic day when even Hillsidepal praised you on this site, why could you not resist.

Inform Al wrote:

Stephen J wrote:
A Bulgarian writing on the Spectator forum last month wrote this: "Bulgarians will start coming back to their land when they realize what you offer. A shi***-pipe dream that is. Dignity will overcome propaganda and the love of money. Dignity was that thing we used to associate the word "British" with. Remember that one?" Despite the picture UKIP wants to paint, Bulgaria and Romania are full of ordinary people just like us. Someone said yesterday that we are the laughing stock of Europe. It's far, far worse than that. Ordinary, hard working people in Bulgaria and Romania don't laugh at us; they regard us with the deepest derision because of our evil attitude towards them. So, if we want to take advantage of the opportunities in their countries that their EU membership can offer us, the least we can do is welcome those who want to come to Britain and give it a go here.

Wouldn't be a problem if their EU membership was to our benefit unfortunately it's the exact opposite, and is something we really cannot afford.

Inform Al wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I made the mistake of going in to Eastleigh yesterday, the worse thing that UKIP could have done was badger me 8 or 9 times as I went through the shopping area, once would have been enough, but if this is an example of how they are going to go about their business it won't get my vote. Why vote for a one trick pony anyway?

You were so lucky to have been given the chance to learn reality, so far I have not been badgered by any politicals in Eastleigh, but there again as I know the extent of UKIPs manifesto I may not come across as stupid and in need of educating.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I made the mistake of going in to Eastleigh yesterday, the worse thing that UKIP could have done was badger me 8 or 9 times as I went through the shopping area, once would have been enough, but if this is an example of how they are going to go about their business it won't get my vote. Why vote for a one trick pony anyway?

You were so lucky to have been given the chance to learn reality, so far I have not been badgered by any politicals in Eastleigh, but there again as I know the extent of UKIPs manifesto I may not come across as stupid and in need of educating.

That kind of arrogance has doubled my lack of respect for the UKIP party.

Stephen J wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

Stephen J wrote:
A Bulgarian writing on the Spectator forum last month wrote this: "Bulgarians will start coming back to their land when they realize what you offer. A shi***-pipe dream that is. Dignity will overcome propaganda and the love of money. Dignity was that thing we used to associate the word "British" with. Remember that one?" Despite the picture UKIP wants to paint, Bulgaria and Romania are full of ordinary people just like us. Someone said yesterday that we are the laughing stock of Europe. It's far, far worse than that. Ordinary, hard working people in Bulgaria and Romania don't laugh at us; they regard us with the deepest derision because of our evil attitude towards them. So, if we want to take advantage of the opportunities in their countries that their EU membership can offer us, the least we can do is welcome those who want to come to Britain and give it a go here.

Wouldn't be a problem if their EU membership was to our benefit unfortunately it's the exact opposite, and is something we really cannot afford.

Western European business is already there creating huge change and, sadly, in some cases massive upheaval. It's already happened. And yet we're the ones with the gall to say that we don't want them coming here. When that attitude is gilded with some of the frankly disgusting rhetoric from UKIP, it's no wonder the world is getting increasingly concerned that we're actually turning into the insignficant, insular, downright nasty little nation we seem hellbent on becoming.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Pete, organisation in 'Commonwealth' not "British Commonwealth".

I remember having reminded you before, long time ago. Please correct it before Freefinker find out.

The 'i' had interesting article in it yesterday, so may also have been in their larger version Independent on Brits living in Romania. Apparently figure how many British citizen live there is not available, but although income is not high cost of living is cheap and they love quality of life and most local people are not hysterical like UKIP.

Regarding students from Commonwealth nations, they pay even higher fees than already shockingly high £9000 by our own in England thanks to Lib-Dem double crossing students after last election (for lying about driver of car Huhne may be rightly jailed but for lying to get young people's vote Lib Dem will keep enjoying positions in the government, thanks to Tories) So British universities are very much dependent on income from foreign students.

Commonwealth students only have permission to remain in UK for limited time, and their spending also helps our economy. Because of Indian students being abused by minority of people but with loud foul mouths, trend now is to avoid UK and prefer USA, Australia, New Zealand or Russia.

That is why our British govt desperately trying to save that market in commercialised education. But thanks to likes of UKIPers damage may not be reversed. American universities are absolutely loving it.

The British comes into it, because you have 2 other Commonwealths in Europe, So you british so not to get it mix up with the French, Spainish Commonwealths

.. and, indeed, The Commonwealth of Independent States (aka most of the old Soviet Union).

But you are wrong, no surprise there. It is the Commonwealth of Nations and does not just consist of ex British colonies or protectorates. Included in membership are countries that were wholly or partially colonies of Portugal, Belgium and France.

France does NOT have a ‘commonwealth’ – its association of ex colonies is called the French Union (Union Française).

Spain does NOT have a ‘commonwealth’ – almost all its colonies broke away by revolution in the 19th century.

Portugal, however, does have a Community of Portuguese Language Countries; but it’s very open to membership as Australia, Ukraine and Philippines are amongst its many members.

So, having disposed of your erroneous statement, we are just left with the Commonwealth for which no right wing imperialist additional words are required.

Nothing to get it 'mix up' with; except your Soviet friends.

France as a commonwealth Algeria prove that point a matter of weeks ago, when they sent there arm forces there and not the normal UN forces, It also have some small islands, Spain as a commonwealth also Spainish Morocco is part of it plus some islands, Portagul as islands in the Atlantic that makes there commonwealth.
Then also ask your self what makes a Commonwealth, its a Union of Countrys and single head of the Union
The British commonwealth is only 2 countrys short of the British Empire

southy wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Pete, organisation in 'Commonwealth' not "British Commonwealth".

I remember having reminded you before, long time ago. Please correct it before Freefinker find out.

The 'i' had interesting article in it yesterday, so may also have been in their larger version Independent on Brits living in Romania. Apparently figure how many British citizen live there is not available, but although income is not high cost of living is cheap and they love quality of life and most local people are not hysterical like UKIP.

Regarding students from Commonwealth nations, they pay even higher fees than already shockingly high £9000 by our own in England thanks to Lib-Dem double crossing students after last election (for lying about driver of car Huhne may be rightly jailed but for lying to get young people's vote Lib Dem will keep enjoying positions in the government, thanks to Tories) So British universities are very much dependent on income from foreign students.

Commonwealth students only have permission to remain in UK for limited time, and their spending also helps our economy. Because of Indian students being abused by minority of people but with loud foul mouths, trend now is to avoid UK and prefer USA, Australia, New Zealand or Russia.

That is why our British govt desperately trying to save that market in commercialised education. But thanks to likes of UKIPers damage may not be reversed. American universities are absolutely loving it.

The British comes into it, because you have 2 other Commonwealths in Europe, So you british so not to get it mix up with the French, Spainish Commonwealths

Pete, Yes I remember you saying the same last time. But there is no such thing as British Commonwealth anymore, only 'COMMONWEALTH'.

You probably are one of the best intentioned people around, BUT agreeing to facts if they contradict you isn't exactly part of your DNA, is it?

For next few days I am very busy, but how about me driving you to London to Commonwealth office so you can read what it reads outside Commonwealth office? Knowing you probably still be saying somebody has spelt it wrong.

On historic day when even Hillsidepal praised you on this site, why could you not resist.

Paramjit use the word British as not to get it mix up with other commonwealths, the Crown still heads the B/Commonwealth

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roy may wrote:
Cameron now offering open door acess to indian students and they can stay forever. Hemust be desperate for the Asian vote in Eastliegh. Has he asked the Britsh public for consent.
I am glad I am not on the local housing list

No they can't stay forever, they can only stay if they have sponership.
India is a British commonwealth Country don't for get

Pete, organisation in 'Commonwealth' not "British Commonwealth".

I remember having reminded you before, long time ago. Please correct it before Freefinker find out.

The 'i' had interesting article in it yesterday, so may also have been in their larger version Independent on Brits living in Romania. Apparently figure how many British citizen live there is not available, but although income is not high cost of living is cheap and they love quality of life and most local people are not hysterical like UKIP.

Regarding students from Commonwealth nations, they pay even higher fees than already shockingly high £9000 by our own in England thanks to Lib-Dem double crossing students after last election (for lying about driver of car Huhne may be rightly jailed but for lying to get young people's vote Lib Dem will keep enjoying positions in the government, thanks to Tories) So British universities are very much dependent on income from foreign students.

Commonwealth students only have permission to remain in UK for limited time, and their spending also helps our economy. Because of Indian students being abused by minority of people but with loud foul mouths, trend now is to avoid UK and prefer USA, Australia, New Zealand or Russia.

That is why our British govt desperately trying to save that market in commercialised education. But thanks to likes of UKIPers damage may not be reversed. American universities are absolutely loving it.

The British comes into it, because you have 2 other Commonwealths in Europe, So you british so not to get it mix up with the French, Spainish Commonwealths

Pete, Yes I remember you saying the same last time. But there is no such thing as British Commonwealth anymore, only 'COMMONWEALTH'.

You probably are one of the best intentioned people around, BUT agreeing to facts if they contradict you isn't exactly part of your DNA, is it?

For next few days I am very busy, but how about me driving you to London to Commonwealth office so you can read what it reads outside Commonwealth office? Knowing you probably still be saying somebody has spelt it wrong.

On historic day when even Hillsidepal praised you on this site, why could you not resist.

Paramjit use the word British as not to get it mix up with other commonwealths, the Crown still heads the B/Commonwealth

Dear oh dear Peter, we have become slightly obsessed with UKIP haven't we?

I wonder why? Because they will most likely get more votes than you?

I suspect you know you've already been beaten.

Inform Al wrote:

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Inform Al wrote:

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I made the mistake of going in to Eastleigh yesterday, the worse thing that UKIP could have done was badger me 8 or 9 times as I went through the shopping area, once would have been enough, but if this is an example of how they are going to go about their business it won't get my vote. Why vote for a one trick pony anyway?

You were so lucky to have been given the chance to learn reality, so far I have not been badgered by any politicals in Eastleigh, but there again as I know the extent of UKIPs manifesto I may not come across as stupid and in need of educating.

That kind of arrogance has doubled my lack of respect for the UKIP party.

Pretty good as I am a card holding member of the Labour party. Difference is I live in the real world.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I made the mistake of going in to Eastleigh yesterday, the worse thing that UKIP could have done was badger me 8 or 9 times as I went through the shopping area, once would have been enough, but if this is an example of how they are going to go about their business it won't get my vote. Why vote for a one trick pony anyway?

You were so lucky to have been given the chance to learn reality, so far I have not been badgered by any politicals in Eastleigh, but there again as I know the extent of UKIPs manifesto I may not come across as stupid and in need of educating.

That kind of arrogance has doubled my lack of respect for the UKIP party.

Pretty good as I am a card holding member of the Labour party. Difference is I live in the real world.

Where are all of the real Labour candidates, with a proper Labour agenda, I don't see many around these days, are you saying UKIP are a better alternative to a Socialist party just to keep the Tories out? I have perused the UKIP agenda which is why I suggested that they are a one trick pony with an OCD about European membership. In the real World there are many more issues to address.

Inform Al wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I made the mistake of going in to Eastleigh yesterday, the worse thing that UKIP could have done was badger me 8 or 9 times as I went through the shopping area, once would have been enough, but if this is an example of how they are going to go about their business it won't get my vote. Why vote for a one trick pony anyway?

You were so lucky to have been given the chance to learn reality, so far I have not been badgered by any politicals in Eastleigh, but there again as I know the extent of UKIPs manifesto I may not come across as stupid and in need of educating.

That kind of arrogance has doubled my lack of respect for the UKIP party.

Pretty good as I am a card holding member of the Labour party. Difference is I live in the real world.

Where are all of the real Labour candidates, with a proper Labour agenda, I don't see many around these days, are you saying UKIP are a better alternative to a Socialist party just to keep the Tories out? I have perused the UKIP agenda which is why I suggested that they are a one trick pony with an OCD about European membership. In the real World there are many more issues to address.

Actually I joined the Labour party after I saw how elitist the Tory party had become at the expense of the lower paid working classes, and thought the Labour party was the best chance next time to get rid of this evil. Unfortunately Miliband has blown this by his unfortunate response to C'moron's false promise of an EU referendum. It seems that Milibands honesty cannot compete with Dodgy Dave's duplicity. I will now need to look again before the next general election to see which party to associate myself with. It will be the one most likrly to rid us of the Tory scourge. The EU bit will be secondary although unlike yourself when I looked at the UKIP manifesto I was impressed.