Former Lib Dem to stand for English Democrats at Eastleigh by-election

Michael Walters

Michael Walters

First published in News

A FORMER Liberal Democrat will be representing the English Democrats at the upcoming by-election.

Michael Walters has been announced as its candidate for the contest on February 28.

A committed Anglican and Royal British Legion member, Mr Walters is the English Democrats’ current Kent county chairman.

Mr Walters is an ex-Liberal Democrat constituency party chairman and election agent, who says he left the party in 2002 after being told by his former party to remove the word ‘Christian’ from his county council leaflet.

He says he was also concerned by what he saw as its growing anti-English stance.

Alongside being a member of the Royal British Legion Riders Branch and a poppy tin distributor, he has been a Christian Aid doorstep collector for the past 20 years, a parochial church council member and a Churches Together representative.

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2:51pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Raxx says...

Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company. Raxx
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6:29pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Boatman says...

Raxx wrote:
Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Are you absolutely sure you are not confusing the English Democrats with the English Defence League?
[quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.[/p][/quote]Are you absolutely sure you are not confusing the English Democrats with the English Defence League? Boatman
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6:42pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Facewagon says...

Boatman wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Are you absolutely sure you are not confusing the English Democrats with the English Defence League?
Nope - http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/English_Dem
ocrats. A right cherry bunch it would appear.
[quote][p][bold]Boatman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.[/p][/quote]Are you absolutely sure you are not confusing the English Democrats with the English Defence League?[/p][/quote]Nope - http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/English_Dem ocrats. A right cherry bunch it would appear. Facewagon
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7:16pm Mon 18 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

Boatman wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Are you absolutely sure you are not confusing the English Democrats with the English Defence League?
As Facewagon says - no. The English Democrats are hideous, and in bed with neo-nazi organisations across Europe.
[quote][p][bold]Boatman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.[/p][/quote]Are you absolutely sure you are not confusing the English Democrats with the English Defence League?[/p][/quote]As Facewagon says - no. The English Democrats are hideous, and in bed with neo-nazi organisations across Europe. cantthinkofone
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9:05pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Born_Free says...

Raxx wrote:
Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Dear Raxx,
Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing!
An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare.

The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.
[quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.[/p][/quote]Dear Raxx, Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing! An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare. The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula. Born_Free
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9:22pm Mon 18 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

Born_Free wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Dear Raxx,
Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing!
An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare.

The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.
Dear Born_Free,

The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental.

Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.
[quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.[/p][/quote]Dear Raxx, Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing! An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare. The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.[/p][/quote]Dear Born_Free, The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental. Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing. cantthinkofone
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3:16am Tue 19 Feb 13

English Democrat says...

You guys are so funny . The BNP hate me LOL. . Links with the far right ? I even have a link with a Labour NEC member. Get over it LMAO.
You guys are so funny . The BNP hate me LOL. . Links with the far right ? I even have a link with a Labour NEC member. Get over it LMAO. English Democrat
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8:21am Tue 19 Feb 13

Born_Free says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Dear Raxx,
Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing!
An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare.

The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.
Dear Born_Free,

The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental.

Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.
Dear cantthinkofone,

I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise.

Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.[/p][/quote]Dear Raxx, Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing! An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare. The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.[/p][/quote]Dear Born_Free, The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental. Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise. Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you. Born_Free
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5:14pm Tue 19 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

Born_Free wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Dear Raxx,
Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing!
An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare.

The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.
Dear Born_Free,

The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental.

Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.
Dear cantthinkofone,

I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise.

Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you.
You don't actually understand what left-wing means then do you.

But you're still a 'Freeman of the Land' I'm betting.
[quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.[/p][/quote]Dear Raxx, Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing! An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare. The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.[/p][/quote]Dear Born_Free, The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental. Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise. Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you.[/p][/quote]You don't actually understand what left-wing means then do you. But you're still a 'Freeman of the Land' I'm betting. cantthinkofone
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6:07pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Born_Free says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Dear Raxx,
Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing!
An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare.

The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.
Dear Born_Free,

The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental.

Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.
Dear cantthinkofone,

I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise.

Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you.
You don't actually understand what left-wing means then do you.

But you're still a 'Freeman of the Land' I'm betting.
Dear cantthinkofone,

Feel free to explain what your perception of left and right wing is as all you have done on this thread is disagree with me without providing any reasoning.

Here is an article about Fascism, as you see it's roots are firmly in the left. Fascism has a large state that micro-manages and controls everything and rejects capitalism:
http://www.earlhamso
ciologypages.co.uk/i
talfascsoc.htm

The fundamental definition of left and right is having a large and small state respectively, economic policy is also an important factor, left wing ideologies control the economy with protectionist policies. Right wing economies are capitalist that encourage free trade.

I look forward to reading your next post.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.[/p][/quote]Dear Raxx, Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing! An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare. The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.[/p][/quote]Dear Born_Free, The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental. Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise. Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you.[/p][/quote]You don't actually understand what left-wing means then do you. But you're still a 'Freeman of the Land' I'm betting.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, Feel free to explain what your perception of left and right wing is as all you have done on this thread is disagree with me without providing any reasoning. Here is an article about Fascism, as you see it's roots are firmly in the left. Fascism has a large state that micro-manages and controls everything and rejects capitalism: http://www.earlhamso ciologypages.co.uk/i talfascsoc.htm The fundamental definition of left and right is having a large and small state respectively, economic policy is also an important factor, left wing ideologies control the economy with protectionist policies. Right wing economies are capitalist that encourage free trade. I look forward to reading your next post. Born_Free
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7:36pm Tue 19 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

Born_Free wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Dear Raxx,
Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing!
An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare.

The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.
Dear Born_Free,

The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental.

Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.
Dear cantthinkofone,

I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise.

Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you.
You don't actually understand what left-wing means then do you.

But you're still a 'Freeman of the Land' I'm betting.
Dear cantthinkofone,

Feel free to explain what your perception of left and right wing is as all you have done on this thread is disagree with me without providing any reasoning.

Here is an article about Fascism, as you see it's roots are firmly in the left. Fascism has a large state that micro-manages and controls everything and rejects capitalism:
http://www.earlhamso

ciologypages.co.uk/i

talfascsoc.htm

The fundamental definition of left and right is having a large and small state respectively, economic policy is also an important factor, left wing ideologies control the economy with protectionist policies. Right wing economies are capitalist that encourage free trade.

I look forward to reading your next post.
Your definitions are not the accepted ones, and are basically, err.... wrong.

Observed characteristics are not the DNA itself.

That's all there is to it really.
[quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.[/p][/quote]Dear Raxx, Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing! An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare. The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.[/p][/quote]Dear Born_Free, The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental. Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise. Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you.[/p][/quote]You don't actually understand what left-wing means then do you. But you're still a 'Freeman of the Land' I'm betting.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, Feel free to explain what your perception of left and right wing is as all you have done on this thread is disagree with me without providing any reasoning. Here is an article about Fascism, as you see it's roots are firmly in the left. Fascism has a large state that micro-manages and controls everything and rejects capitalism: http://www.earlhamso ciologypages.co.uk/i talfascsoc.htm The fundamental definition of left and right is having a large and small state respectively, economic policy is also an important factor, left wing ideologies control the economy with protectionist policies. Right wing economies are capitalist that encourage free trade. I look forward to reading your next post.[/p][/quote]Your definitions are not the accepted ones, and are basically, err.... wrong. Observed characteristics are not the DNA itself. That's all there is to it really. cantthinkofone
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9:17am Wed 20 Feb 13

Born_Free says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Dear Raxx,
Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing!
An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare.

The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.
Dear Born_Free,

The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental.

Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.
Dear cantthinkofone,

I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise.

Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you.
You don't actually understand what left-wing means then do you.

But you're still a 'Freeman of the Land' I'm betting.
Dear cantthinkofone,

Feel free to explain what your perception of left and right wing is as all you have done on this thread is disagree with me without providing any reasoning.

Here is an article about Fascism, as you see it's roots are firmly in the left. Fascism has a large state that micro-manages and controls everything and rejects capitalism:
http://www.earlhamso


ciologypages.co.uk/i


talfascsoc.htm

The fundamental definition of left and right is having a large and small state respectively, economic policy is also an important factor, left wing ideologies control the economy with protectionist policies. Right wing economies are capitalist that encourage free trade.

I look forward to reading your next post.
Your definitions are not the accepted ones, and are basically, err.... wrong.

Observed characteristics are not the DNA itself.

That's all there is to it really.
Dear cantthinkofone,
They are not my definitions these are the definitions of historians and professors of political ideology. If you wish to believe the definitions on wikipedia, or the mainstream media (who are biased) then that is up to you.
Here is a quote:
“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”
― George Orwell
Please take the time and do your own research.
I would like to finish off this debate by stating that since you have not been able to prove me wrong and you have had ample opportunity, it should be assumed that the definitions I posted are correct.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.[/p][/quote]Dear Raxx, Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing! An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare. The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.[/p][/quote]Dear Born_Free, The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental. Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise. Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you.[/p][/quote]You don't actually understand what left-wing means then do you. But you're still a 'Freeman of the Land' I'm betting.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, Feel free to explain what your perception of left and right wing is as all you have done on this thread is disagree with me without providing any reasoning. Here is an article about Fascism, as you see it's roots are firmly in the left. Fascism has a large state that micro-manages and controls everything and rejects capitalism: http://www.earlhamso ciologypages.co.uk/i talfascsoc.htm The fundamental definition of left and right is having a large and small state respectively, economic policy is also an important factor, left wing ideologies control the economy with protectionist policies. Right wing economies are capitalist that encourage free trade. I look forward to reading your next post.[/p][/quote]Your definitions are not the accepted ones, and are basically, err.... wrong. Observed characteristics are not the DNA itself. That's all there is to it really.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, They are not my definitions these are the definitions of historians and professors of political ideology. If you wish to believe the definitions on wikipedia, or the mainstream media (who are biased) then that is up to you. Here is a quote: “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” ― George Orwell Please take the time and do your own research. I would like to finish off this debate by stating that since you have not been able to prove me wrong and you have had ample opportunity, it should be assumed that the definitions I posted are correct. Born_Free
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9:57pm Fri 22 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

Born_Free wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Born_Free wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Far right extremists.

They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members.

As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.
Dear Raxx,
Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing!
An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare.

The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.
Dear Born_Free,

The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental.

Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.
Dear cantthinkofone,

I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise.

Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you.
You don't actually understand what left-wing means then do you.

But you're still a 'Freeman of the Land' I'm betting.
Dear cantthinkofone,

Feel free to explain what your perception of left and right wing is as all you have done on this thread is disagree with me without providing any reasoning.

Here is an article about Fascism, as you see it's roots are firmly in the left. Fascism has a large state that micro-manages and controls everything and rejects capitalism:
http://www.earlhamso



ciologypages.co.uk/i



talfascsoc.htm

The fundamental definition of left and right is having a large and small state respectively, economic policy is also an important factor, left wing ideologies control the economy with protectionist policies. Right wing economies are capitalist that encourage free trade.

I look forward to reading your next post.
Your definitions are not the accepted ones, and are basically, err.... wrong.

Observed characteristics are not the DNA itself.

That's all there is to it really.
Dear cantthinkofone,
They are not my definitions these are the definitions of historians and professors of political ideology. If you wish to believe the definitions on wikipedia, or the mainstream media (who are biased) then that is up to you.
Here is a quote:
“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”
― George Orwell
Please take the time and do your own research.
I would like to finish off this debate by stating that since you have not been able to prove me wrong and you have had ample opportunity, it should be assumed that the definitions I posted are correct.
Is this some sort of research for a stand-up routine?

Honestly honey, fascist parties do tend to be regarded as right wing, not left.

And your last statement would make George Orwell both shudder & micturate himself laughing simultaneously.

Have a word with yourself boy, you're embarrassing yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Born_Free[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Far right extremists. They're in a formal alliance with the likes of Golden Dawn, they work alongside hooligan fascist groups like Casuals United, and they're largely made up of former BNP members. As a committed Christian myself, I'm disappointed that he feels at home in that company.[/p][/quote]Dear Raxx, Golden Dawn, Fascists, National Socialists and other such authoritarian anti-capitalist parties are left wing not right wing! An example of an extreme right wing party is the American Tea Party, who believe in small government, capitalism and no welfare. The English Democrats are neither, they are a middle of the road party who believe in a mixed economy and who are campaigning for an English Parliament, (since England is the only country in Europe without a national parliament) and a reform of the Barnett Formula.[/p][/quote]Dear Born_Free, The likes of Golden Dawn are out and out fascists, and you're mental. Freeman of the Land type I'm guessing.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, I agree Golden Dawn are fascists, re-read my post and you will see that I never claimed otherwise. Please desist from immature ad hominem attacks, it reflects badly on you.[/p][/quote]You don't actually understand what left-wing means then do you. But you're still a 'Freeman of the Land' I'm betting.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, Feel free to explain what your perception of left and right wing is as all you have done on this thread is disagree with me without providing any reasoning. Here is an article about Fascism, as you see it's roots are firmly in the left. Fascism has a large state that micro-manages and controls everything and rejects capitalism: http://www.earlhamso ciologypages.co.uk/i talfascsoc.htm The fundamental definition of left and right is having a large and small state respectively, economic policy is also an important factor, left wing ideologies control the economy with protectionist policies. Right wing economies are capitalist that encourage free trade. I look forward to reading your next post.[/p][/quote]Your definitions are not the accepted ones, and are basically, err.... wrong. Observed characteristics are not the DNA itself. That's all there is to it really.[/p][/quote]Dear cantthinkofone, They are not my definitions these are the definitions of historians and professors of political ideology. If you wish to believe the definitions on wikipedia, or the mainstream media (who are biased) then that is up to you. Here is a quote: “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” ― George Orwell Please take the time and do your own research. I would like to finish off this debate by stating that since you have not been able to prove me wrong and you have had ample opportunity, it should be assumed that the definitions I posted are correct.[/p][/quote]Is this some sort of research for a stand-up routine? Honestly honey, fascist parties do tend to be regarded as right wing, not left. And your last statement would make George Orwell both shudder & micturate himself laughing simultaneously. Have a word with yourself boy, you're embarrassing yourself. cantthinkofone
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