120 Ford workers to be kept on in city

Workers leaving the Ford plant last year after the closure plan was announced.

Workers leaving the Ford plant last year after the closure plan was announced.

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Crime Reporter

MORE than 100 jobs look set to be saved from Southampton’s doomed Ford factory when it closes this summer, the Daily Echo can reveal today.

Union leaders claim they have been told by company bosses that while the Swaythling plant will close in July, they are offering to keep 120 jobs in Southampton.

The news comes after a ballot held at the factory saw more than 339 workers vote in favour of the closure and the severance package that comes with it, with 100 voting against.

The Unite union, which has been left disappointed by the results, fears that the 120 jobs will not be enough and is urging Ford bosses to double that figure if they are genuine about avoiding compulsory redundancies.

On Monday a mass meeting was held at the plant, where workers were informed of the package Ford was offering to those who lost their jobs – for some it would be in the region of £50,000, for others more than £100,000.

A ballot was held on Tuesday and the results yesterday revealed that the majority were in favour of the proposals.

However, Unite believes that at least 100 of those who voted to accept the closure would not be willing to take voluntary redundancy and would be applying for the 120 jobs, along with the 100 who voted against.

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Fred Hanna, from Unite, said: “We would have preferred our members to have rejected the offer but we know they have to be realistic and understand how this impacts on the lives of every individual.

“We are disappointed that we are losing this plant in Southampton but what is not a lost cause is the possibility of more jobs that Ford can offer these workers.

“The big issue now is the company have said they are offering for 120 to remain in Southampton but if they do not want to make any compulsory redundancies then they will have to double that figure and we are working hard to put pressure on them to create as many jobs as possible.”

It is understood that the majority of jobs will be based at a site opposite the current plant, re-working company cars ready for re-sale.

This comes three months after Ford revealed plans for a refurbishment facility which was expected to be based at Southampton Docks, creating 50 jobs.

Ford would not confirm to the Daily Echo that 120 jobs would remain in the city, saying that discussions with the unions were confidential.

It did confirm however that the company’s aim is to make sure that any employees not wishing to take voluntary redundancy can be deployed elsewhere.

Brian Bennett, spokesman for Ford UK, said: “The result of the ballot enables us to progress to the next stage of employee support actions ahead of the plant’s closure in July 2013.”

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12:15pm Thu 21 Feb 13

loosehead says...

So the workers realise they have to take the best deal well done the workers.
The union would prefer they'd rejected the deal?
why what would a strike or any form of industrial action do for them?
Surely it should have been put accept this proposal but with on going negotiations between union & company to try to make sure those 120 jobs are filled by only the ones who want to stay & not force people to stay who want to go?
So the workers realise they have to take the best deal well done the workers. The union would prefer they'd rejected the deal? why what would a strike or any form of industrial action do for them? Surely it should have been put accept this proposal but with on going negotiations between union & company to try to make sure those 120 jobs are filled by only the ones who want to stay & not force people to stay who want to go? loosehead
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12:26pm Thu 21 Feb 13

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
So the workers realise they have to take the best deal well done the workers.
The union would prefer they'd rejected the deal?
why what would a strike or any form of industrial action do for them?
Surely it should have been put accept this proposal but with on going negotiations between union & company to try to make sure those 120 jobs are filled by only the ones who want to stay & not force people to stay who want to go?
The Unions have lost face!
Looks like they handled it badly from start to finish!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So the workers realise they have to take the best deal well done the workers. The union would prefer they'd rejected the deal? why what would a strike or any form of industrial action do for them? Surely it should have been put accept this proposal but with on going negotiations between union & company to try to make sure those 120 jobs are filled by only the ones who want to stay & not force people to stay who want to go?[/p][/quote]The Unions have lost face! Looks like they handled it badly from start to finish! George4th
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12:40pm Thu 21 Feb 13

loosehead says...

George4th wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So the workers realise they have to take the best deal well done the workers.
The union would prefer they'd rejected the deal?
why what would a strike or any form of industrial action do for them?
Surely it should have been put accept this proposal but with on going negotiations between union & company to try to make sure those 120 jobs are filled by only the ones who want to stay & not force people to stay who want to go?
The Unions have lost face!
Looks like they handled it badly from start to finish!
I might be wrong here but when the dispute was ongoing with Southampton Council wasn't it the Union saying the members wishes were being met?
Surely the Union should have one thought & that's what the members say isn't it?
isn't the union only there for it's members or were we told porkies & the problem with ford unlike with SCC was the Union couldn't hoodwink the workers any more?
well done to the workforce in facing up to reality.
I wonder if SCC workers are now waking up to the fact they were better off with a pay cut & job security under a Tory council ?
Do they now wonder why the Unions who attended budget meetings with SCC didn't tell them about the cuts before they voted?
Well done Ford workers I hope you find future employment or have a good retirement!
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So the workers realise they have to take the best deal well done the workers. The union would prefer they'd rejected the deal? why what would a strike or any form of industrial action do for them? Surely it should have been put accept this proposal but with on going negotiations between union & company to try to make sure those 120 jobs are filled by only the ones who want to stay & not force people to stay who want to go?[/p][/quote]The Unions have lost face! Looks like they handled it badly from start to finish![/p][/quote]I might be wrong here but when the dispute was ongoing with Southampton Council wasn't it the Union saying the members wishes were being met? Surely the Union should have one thought & that's what the members say isn't it? isn't the union only there for it's members or were we told porkies & the problem with ford unlike with SCC was the Union couldn't hoodwink the workers any more? well done to the workforce in facing up to reality. I wonder if SCC workers are now waking up to the fact they were better off with a pay cut & job security under a Tory council ? Do they now wonder why the Unions who attended budget meetings with SCC didn't tell them about the cuts before they voted? Well done Ford workers I hope you find future employment or have a good retirement! loosehead
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1:21pm Thu 21 Feb 13

southy says...

The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.
The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come. southy
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1:24pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Outside of the Box says...

loosehead wrote:
So the workers realise they have to take the best deal well done the workers.
The union would prefer they'd rejected the deal?
why what would a strike or any form of industrial action do for them?
Surely it should have been put accept this proposal but with on going negotiations between union & company to try to make sure those 120 jobs are filled by only the ones who want to stay & not force people to stay who want to go?
For once I am in agreement with you, making the best of bad lot seems to be the best thing all round.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So the workers realise they have to take the best deal well done the workers. The union would prefer they'd rejected the deal? why what would a strike or any form of industrial action do for them? Surely it should have been put accept this proposal but with on going negotiations between union & company to try to make sure those 120 jobs are filled by only the ones who want to stay & not force people to stay who want to go?[/p][/quote]For once I am in agreement with you, making the best of bad lot seems to be the best thing all round. Outside of the Box
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2:17pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.
Another example of realism that continues to evade Southy. Ford is a company that was set up to make cars and earn money, not provide employment for generations yet to be born.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.[/p][/quote]Another example of realism that continues to evade Southy. Ford is a company that was set up to make cars and earn money, not provide employment for generations yet to be born. Torchie1
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2:38pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.
This is exactly why socialism can never work unless it is enforced. Given the choice, people will always go for the immediate option that is best for themselves and their families. Of course they will! You may say that's not how it should be, but that's how it is.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.[/p][/quote]This is exactly why socialism can never work unless it is enforced. Given the choice, people will always go for the immediate option that is best for themselves and their families. Of course they will! You may say that's not how it should be, but that's how it is. Stephen J
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2:42pm Thu 21 Feb 13

TEBOURBA says...

If Nissan and Honda can build cars in this country economically, then why can't Ford, why do they have to close factories and export British jobs to third world countries, paying workers third world wages?
Can it be that it is the Ford management that is at fault?
If Nissan and Honda can build cars in this country economically, then why can't Ford, why do they have to close factories and export British jobs to third world countries, paying workers third world wages? Can it be that it is the Ford management that is at fault? TEBOURBA
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2:57pm Thu 21 Feb 13

loosehead says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
If Nissan and Honda can build cars in this country economically, then why can't Ford, why do they have to close factories and export British jobs to third world countries, paying workers third world wages?
Can it be that it is the Ford management that is at fault?
I would love to see any politician approach the Chinese / South Korean car manufacturers & get them to move onto this ready to use site.
Ford has been moving production of all types of vehicles for quite a few years now.
I don't expect them to approach competitors but I'd congratulate any party who did approach those two countries & bring work to this area.
Maybe the Unions & Vince Cable can do an Ellesmere Port here?
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: If Nissan and Honda can build cars in this country economically, then why can't Ford, why do they have to close factories and export British jobs to third world countries, paying workers third world wages? Can it be that it is the Ford management that is at fault?[/p][/quote]I would love to see any politician approach the Chinese / South Korean car manufacturers & get them to move onto this ready to use site. Ford has been moving production of all types of vehicles for quite a few years now. I don't expect them to approach competitors but I'd congratulate any party who did approach those two countries & bring work to this area. Maybe the Unions & Vince Cable can do an Ellesmere Port here? loosehead
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3:20pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
If Nissan and Honda can build cars in this country economically, then why can't Ford, why do they have to close factories and export British jobs to third world countries, paying workers third world wages?
Can it be that it is the Ford management that is at fault?
It's generally to do with the proportion of cost-per-unit that goes on wages and on-costs. If you have a highly-automated plant that produces vehicles in high volume, you can do that wherever you want, but preferably as near to your market as possible. That's probably the case with Nissan and Honda cars, but perhaps not with Ford Transit production.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: If Nissan and Honda can build cars in this country economically, then why can't Ford, why do they have to close factories and export British jobs to third world countries, paying workers third world wages? Can it be that it is the Ford management that is at fault?[/p][/quote]It's generally to do with the proportion of cost-per-unit that goes on wages and on-costs. If you have a highly-automated plant that produces vehicles in high volume, you can do that wherever you want, but preferably as near to your market as possible. That's probably the case with Nissan and Honda cars, but perhaps not with Ford Transit production. Stephen J
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4:04pm Thu 21 Feb 13

saint61 says...

Contracted firms have been asked to tender for the 120 jobs. They're going out to contractors
Contracted firms have been asked to tender for the 120 jobs. They're going out to contractors saint61
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4:53pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Derfel says...

southy wrote:
The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.
You really are such a know it all Southy. If you can explain to me how us Ford workers going on strike can possibly help the situation then please do so. Ford have already spent their money (and yes, we know the, some tax payers money as well) on the new model Transit at the Turkey plant. The simple truth of the matter is that Southampton cannot compete on a cost per unit basis – end of story. All we (the Ford workers) can do now is try and salvage something from this mess and move on with a little dignity. As for your comment about our children’s future, I will be saving my redundancy money and spending it on their higher education.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.[/p][/quote]You really are such a know it all Southy. If you can explain to me how us Ford workers going on strike can possibly help the situation then please do so. Ford have already spent their money (and yes, we know the, some tax payers money as well) on the new model Transit at the Turkey plant. The simple truth of the matter is that Southampton cannot compete on a cost per unit basis – end of story. All we (the Ford workers) can do now is try and salvage something from this mess and move on with a little dignity. As for your comment about our children’s future, I will be saving my redundancy money and spending it on their higher education. Derfel
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5:02pm Thu 21 Feb 13

loosehead says...

Derfel wrote:
southy wrote:
The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.
You really are such a know it all Southy. If you can explain to me how us Ford workers going on strike can possibly help the situation then please do so. Ford have already spent their money (and yes, we know the, some tax payers money as well) on the new model Transit at the Turkey plant. The simple truth of the matter is that Southampton cannot compete on a cost per unit basis – end of story. All we (the Ford workers) can do now is try and salvage something from this mess and move on with a little dignity. As for your comment about our children’s future, I will be saving my redundancy money and spending it on their higher education.
maybe start a company of your own to pass on to your children?
what ever you do with it has nothing to do with me or Southy all the best in your future
[quote][p][bold]Derfel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.[/p][/quote]You really are such a know it all Southy. If you can explain to me how us Ford workers going on strike can possibly help the situation then please do so. Ford have already spent their money (and yes, we know the, some tax payers money as well) on the new model Transit at the Turkey plant. The simple truth of the matter is that Southampton cannot compete on a cost per unit basis – end of story. All we (the Ford workers) can do now is try and salvage something from this mess and move on with a little dignity. As for your comment about our children’s future, I will be saving my redundancy money and spending it on their higher education.[/p][/quote]maybe start a company of your own to pass on to your children? what ever you do with it has nothing to do with me or Southy all the best in your future loosehead
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5:08pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Derfel says...

saint61 wrote:
Contracted firms have been asked to tender for the 120 jobs. They're going out to contractors
Really?? Why then are Ford inviting the workers to apply for jobs and setting a timetable for interviews? I expect if they really wanted to they could outsource the whole thing and save themselves the time and money.
[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote: Contracted firms have been asked to tender for the 120 jobs. They're going out to contractors[/p][/quote]Really?? Why then are Ford inviting the workers to apply for jobs and setting a timetable for interviews? I expect if they really wanted to they could outsource the whole thing and save themselves the time and money. Derfel
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7:53pm Thu 21 Feb 13

100%HANTSBOY says...

southy wrote:
The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.
Lol, it must be gut-wrenching to realise your party supported these "capitalist" members for so long!
No,southy these people are realists,just like your lot!! lol !!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.[/p][/quote]Lol, it must be gut-wrenching to realise your party supported these "capitalist" members for so long! No,southy these people are realists,just like your lot!! lol !!! 100%HANTSBOY
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9:08pm Thu 21 Feb 13

J.P.M says...

I am amazed at the attempts by posters to make a political point out of this story.
It was a commercial retreat - other countries are able to promise more vehicle sales, hence they get to build them.

Why do you think Ford are building in Spain for example - Long Hours and High Productivity?
I don't think so...
I am amazed at the attempts by posters to make a political point out of this story. It was a commercial retreat - other countries are able to promise more vehicle sales, hence they get to build them. Why do you think Ford are building in Spain for example - Long Hours and High Productivity? I don't think so... J.P.M
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10:18pm Thu 21 Feb 13

J.P.M says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote: The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.
This is exactly why socialism can never work unless it is enforced. Given the choice, people will always go for the immediate option that is best for themselves and their families. Of course they will! You may say that's not how it should be, but that's how it is.
"George Osborne will be forced into an embarrassing climbdown over next month's budget by having to admit that borrowing this year will go up, not down, according to his own independent tax and spending watchdog"

ha ha ha ha ha!
CUE:-
Of course.......the last government.........

blah blah blah”
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.[/p][/quote]This is exactly why socialism can never work unless it is enforced. Given the choice, people will always go for the immediate option that is best for themselves and their families. Of course they will! You may say that's not how it should be, but that's how it is.[/p][/quote]"George Osborne will be forced into an embarrassing climbdown over next month's budget by having to admit that borrowing this year will go up, not down, according to his own independent tax and spending watchdog" ha ha ha ha ha! CUE:- Of course.......the last government......... blah blah blah” J.P.M
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10:19pm Thu 21 Feb 13

J.P.M says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
southy wrote:
The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.
Lol, it must be gut-wrenching to realise your party supported these "capitalist" members for so long!
No,southy these people are realists,just like your lot!! lol !!!
"George Osborne will be forced into an embarrassing climbdown over next month's budget by having to admit that borrowing this year will go up, not down, according to his own independent tax and spending watchdog"

ha ha ha ha ha!
CUE:-
Of course.......the last government.........

blah blah blah”
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that they have sold out not just them selfs but there kids and grandkids and generations to come.[/p][/quote]Lol, it must be gut-wrenching to realise your party supported these "capitalist" members for so long! No,southy these people are realists,just like your lot!! lol !!![/p][/quote]"George Osborne will be forced into an embarrassing climbdown over next month's budget by having to admit that borrowing this year will go up, not down, according to his own independent tax and spending watchdog" ha ha ha ha ha! CUE:- Of course.......the last government......... blah blah blah” J.P.M
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6:11am Fri 22 Feb 13

AUTO MAN says...

The comparison of plant costs between Soutampton and Kocaeli. Of course labour and operating costs are cheaper, but this doesn't disregard the fact that Southampton is still a hugely profitable and productive plant. (£75 million a year running costs, 28,000 vans per year at a minimum price for a Transit at £18,0000 = £504,000,000.)Every other car plant in the UK can build cheaper abroad but they have continued here as gratitude to their loyal and productive workforce. Even Vauxhall at Ellesmere Port managed to stay afloat, albeit with the help of the Government - and they were in a deep mess!Southampton is not.
The EIB loan to Kocaeli - why? Despite the loss in Europe, Ford posted global profits of $2.2billion!!! Plus, they also managed to fund the future openings of two plants in China for 2014 and 2015 at a cost of $760 million and $600 million!!! These are joint ventures with Changan Ford Mazda Automobile and as far as I'm aware, ownership will be 50/50. This is a similar setup in Turkey Kocaeli with 41% ownership between Ford and Koc and 18% public ownership. Is there no option for Government to discuss joint ownership with Ford for the Transit plant and build specifically for the UK Market (currently 60,000 units)?
He also stated that it had been said the EIB loan was responsible for the closure of Southampton. Incorrect! Why did it go there in the first place? There has been next to nothing in terms of investment in Southampton.
Michael Fallon stated that Southampton can only make one variant? I'm not entirely sure what he means as we produce short wheelbase with low and mid roofs, medium wheelbase vans, and short and medium wheelbase chassis cabs.we currently build at least 14 variants but between Southampton and Kocaeli there are actually 3 million derivatives. The only variant we cannot make are the extra long wheelbase variants.
He also mentioned that Southampton "only produced 28,000 vehicles" and "Turkey produced 100,000". We built that many because that is the schedule we have been given. It is not because we cannot build more. The plant can produce 128,000 units at full capacity on three shifts with the current equipment. Vauxhall currently produce around 68,000 units at their Luton plant which builds the Vivaro. this is with 1000 employees.
Regarding the European slump, UK sales are doing well and are up on this time last year. Here is a press release from Ford:
http://www.ford.co.u
k/experience-ford/Ab
outFord/News/Company
News/2012/Ford-Exten
ds-UK-Market Fords ongoing CV market leadership remains unchallenged with a 23.0 per cent of the total CV market in September and a 22.1 per cent share for the year to date. This compares with 11.4 and 11.0 per cent, respectively, for the nearest rival. Ford Transit is in its 47th consecutive year as the UK’s best-selling commercial vehicle. Transit holds 17.6 per cent of the CV market for the year to date compared with 5.6 per cent for its nearest challenger. In September, Transit accounted for 18.3 per cent of the total CV market and since then it has been pretty good.
Regarding his comment on the New Model, there is no reason why Southampton could not re-tool and build for a thriving UK market.
He also talked about Fords long-term commitment!!! What commitment? The same commitment in which they said as late as September this year that the future of Southampton was safe with the confirmation of the chassis cab despite the current economic climate?
If you research the Koc website you'll find that $1billion was put towards the new transit development and $500million towards R&D so why the EIB loan?
Ford has a poor market share in Germany yet has the highest paid workforce there.Ford would make substantial profits by moving all production out of Germany but they do not.Primarily because the workforce is extremely large and their employments laws are far stronger.Very difficult to shut a car plant in Germany. Only the GM plant in Bochum is scheduled to close - hte first plant post-war to close - and this will be at a massive cost to GM.
Ford Southampton just received two awards at the 2012 Ford President's Health and Safety Awards. Gold performance award (with Turkey getting ONLY Bronze) and also an Extended Leadership Team effort award.
FORD Bosses have not recognised ANY meetings so far with the Trade Unions as "official" and therefore have NO minutes.
Ford have given no formal written confirmation of the number of jobs being created in Southampton.
Ford continues to have increased sales in the UK.
Trade Union submitted 40 questions to the Southampton management team that were rasied by the shop floor relating to the plant closure and we have heard nothing.
We are still waiting for the Tax Presenatation booklet since last November.
UK loves Ford but Ford does not love the UK.
50 years of the Transit at number one. What gratitude do we get at Southampton? A closure!
The comparison of plant costs between Soutampton and Kocaeli. Of course labour and operating costs are cheaper, but this doesn't disregard the fact that Southampton is still a hugely profitable and productive plant. (£75 million a year running costs, 28,000 vans per year at a minimum price for a Transit at £18,0000 = £504,000,000.)Every other car plant in the UK can build cheaper abroad but they have continued here as gratitude to their loyal and productive workforce. Even Vauxhall at Ellesmere Port managed to stay afloat, albeit with the help of the Government - and they were in a deep mess!Southampton is not. The EIB loan to Kocaeli - why? Despite the loss in Europe, Ford posted global profits of $2.2billion!!! Plus, they also managed to fund the future openings of two plants in China for 2014 and 2015 at a cost of $760 million and $600 million!!! These are joint ventures with Changan Ford Mazda Automobile and as far as I'm aware, ownership will be 50/50. This is a similar setup in Turkey Kocaeli with 41% ownership between Ford and Koc and 18% public ownership. Is there no option for Government to discuss joint ownership with Ford for the Transit plant and build specifically for the UK Market (currently 60,000 units)? He also stated that it had been said the EIB loan was responsible for the closure of Southampton. Incorrect! Why did it go there in the first place? There has been next to nothing in terms of investment in Southampton. Michael Fallon stated that Southampton can only make one variant? I'm not entirely sure what he means as we produce short wheelbase with low and mid roofs, medium wheelbase vans, and short and medium wheelbase chassis cabs.we currently build at least 14 variants but between Southampton and Kocaeli there are actually 3 million derivatives. The only variant we cannot make are the extra long wheelbase variants. He also mentioned that Southampton "only produced 28,000 vehicles" and "Turkey produced 100,000". We built that many because that is the schedule we have been given. It is not because we cannot build more. The plant can produce 128,000 units at full capacity on three shifts with the current equipment. Vauxhall currently produce around 68,000 units at their Luton plant which builds the Vivaro. this is with 1000 employees. Regarding the European slump, UK sales are doing well and are up on this time last year. Here is a press release from Ford: http://www.ford.co.u k/experience-ford/Ab outFord/News/Company News/2012/Ford-Exten ds-UK-Market Fords ongoing CV market leadership remains unchallenged with a 23.0 per cent of the total CV market in September and a 22.1 per cent share for the year to date. This compares with 11.4 and 11.0 per cent, respectively, for the nearest rival. Ford Transit is in its 47th consecutive year as the UK’s best-selling commercial vehicle. Transit holds 17.6 per cent of the CV market for the year to date compared with 5.6 per cent for its nearest challenger. In September, Transit accounted for 18.3 per cent of the total CV market and since then it has been pretty good. Regarding his comment on the New Model, there is no reason why Southampton could not re-tool and build for a thriving UK market. He also talked about Fords long-term commitment!!! What commitment? The same commitment in which they said as late as September this year that the future of Southampton was safe with the confirmation of the chassis cab despite the current economic climate? If you research the Koc website you'll find that $1billion was put towards the new transit development and $500million towards R&D so why the EIB loan? Ford has a poor market share in Germany yet has the highest paid workforce there.Ford would make substantial profits by moving all production out of Germany but they do not.Primarily because the workforce is extremely large and their employments laws are far stronger.Very difficult to shut a car plant in Germany. Only the GM plant in Bochum is scheduled to close - hte first plant post-war to close - and this will be at a massive cost to GM. Ford Southampton just received two awards at the 2012 Ford President's Health and Safety Awards. Gold performance award (with Turkey getting ONLY Bronze) and also an Extended Leadership Team effort award. FORD Bosses have not recognised ANY meetings so far with the Trade Unions as "official" and therefore have NO minutes. Ford have given no formal written confirmation of the number of jobs being created in Southampton. Ford continues to have increased sales in the UK. Trade Union submitted 40 questions to the Southampton management team that were rasied by the shop floor relating to the plant closure and we have heard nothing. We are still waiting for the Tax Presenatation booklet since last November. UK loves Ford but Ford does not love the UK. 50 years of the Transit at number one. What gratitude do we get at Southampton? A closure! AUTO MAN
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7:09am Fri 22 Feb 13

loosehead says...

AUTO MAN wrote:
The comparison of plant costs between Soutampton and Kocaeli. Of course labour and operating costs are cheaper, but this doesn't disregard the fact that Southampton is still a hugely profitable and productive plant. (£75 million a year running costs, 28,000 vans per year at a minimum price for a Transit at £18,0000 = £504,000,000.)Every other car plant in the UK can build cheaper abroad but they have continued here as gratitude to their loyal and productive workforce. Even Vauxhall at Ellesmere Port managed to stay afloat, albeit with the help of the Government - and they were in a deep mess!Southampton is not.
The EIB loan to Kocaeli - why? Despite the loss in Europe, Ford posted global profits of $2.2billion!!! Plus, they also managed to fund the future openings of two plants in China for 2014 and 2015 at a cost of $760 million and $600 million!!! These are joint ventures with Changan Ford Mazda Automobile and as far as I'm aware, ownership will be 50/50. This is a similar setup in Turkey Kocaeli with 41% ownership between Ford and Koc and 18% public ownership. Is there no option for Government to discuss joint ownership with Ford for the Transit plant and build specifically for the UK Market (currently 60,000 units)?
He also stated that it had been said the EIB loan was responsible for the closure of Southampton. Incorrect! Why did it go there in the first place? There has been next to nothing in terms of investment in Southampton.
Michael Fallon stated that Southampton can only make one variant? I'm not entirely sure what he means as we produce short wheelbase with low and mid roofs, medium wheelbase vans, and short and medium wheelbase chassis cabs.we currently build at least 14 variants but between Southampton and Kocaeli there are actually 3 million derivatives. The only variant we cannot make are the extra long wheelbase variants.
He also mentioned that Southampton "only produced 28,000 vehicles" and "Turkey produced 100,000". We built that many because that is the schedule we have been given. It is not because we cannot build more. The plant can produce 128,000 units at full capacity on three shifts with the current equipment. Vauxhall currently produce around 68,000 units at their Luton plant which builds the Vivaro. this is with 1000 employees.
Regarding the European slump, UK sales are doing well and are up on this time last year. Here is a press release from Ford:
http://www.ford.co.u

k/experience-ford/Ab

outFord/News/Company

News/2012/Ford-Exten

ds-UK-Market Fords ongoing CV market leadership remains unchallenged with a 23.0 per cent of the total CV market in September and a 22.1 per cent share for the year to date. This compares with 11.4 and 11.0 per cent, respectively, for the nearest rival. Ford Transit is in its 47th consecutive year as the UK’s best-selling commercial vehicle. Transit holds 17.6 per cent of the CV market for the year to date compared with 5.6 per cent for its nearest challenger. In September, Transit accounted for 18.3 per cent of the total CV market and since then it has been pretty good.
Regarding his comment on the New Model, there is no reason why Southampton could not re-tool and build for a thriving UK market.
He also talked about Fords long-term commitment!!! What commitment? The same commitment in which they said as late as September this year that the future of Southampton was safe with the confirmation of the chassis cab despite the current economic climate?
If you research the Koc website you'll find that $1billion was put towards the new transit development and $500million towards R&D so why the EIB loan?
Ford has a poor market share in Germany yet has the highest paid workforce there.Ford would make substantial profits by moving all production out of Germany but they do not.Primarily because the workforce is extremely large and their employments laws are far stronger.Very difficult to shut a car plant in Germany. Only the GM plant in Bochum is scheduled to close - hte first plant post-war to close - and this will be at a massive cost to GM.
Ford Southampton just received two awards at the 2012 Ford President's Health and Safety Awards. Gold performance award (with Turkey getting ONLY Bronze) and also an Extended Leadership Team effort award.
FORD Bosses have not recognised ANY meetings so far with the Trade Unions as "official" and therefore have NO minutes.
Ford have given no formal written confirmation of the number of jobs being created in Southampton.
Ford continues to have increased sales in the UK.
Trade Union submitted 40 questions to the Southampton management team that were rasied by the shop floor relating to the plant closure and we have heard nothing.
We are still waiting for the Tax Presenatation booklet since last November.
UK loves Ford but Ford does not love the UK.
50 years of the Transit at number one. What gratitude do we get at Southampton? A closure!
Do you not remember Tony Blair wanting to invest in Rover to stop it shutting?
The EU stopped it & the only reason Turkey can do it is because they're not in the EU.
the only country that has sort to do a similar thing & saving their own car plants at the cost of other countries losing their factories was Germany with GM.
I wonder if Germany would take any notice what so ever of the EU as in Federal law they can't agree to lose jobs
[quote][p][bold]AUTO MAN[/bold] wrote: The comparison of plant costs between Soutampton and Kocaeli. Of course labour and operating costs are cheaper, but this doesn't disregard the fact that Southampton is still a hugely profitable and productive plant. (£75 million a year running costs, 28,000 vans per year at a minimum price for a Transit at £18,0000 = £504,000,000.)Every other car plant in the UK can build cheaper abroad but they have continued here as gratitude to their loyal and productive workforce. Even Vauxhall at Ellesmere Port managed to stay afloat, albeit with the help of the Government - and they were in a deep mess!Southampton is not. The EIB loan to Kocaeli - why? Despite the loss in Europe, Ford posted global profits of $2.2billion!!! Plus, they also managed to fund the future openings of two plants in China for 2014 and 2015 at a cost of $760 million and $600 million!!! These are joint ventures with Changan Ford Mazda Automobile and as far as I'm aware, ownership will be 50/50. This is a similar setup in Turkey Kocaeli with 41% ownership between Ford and Koc and 18% public ownership. Is there no option for Government to discuss joint ownership with Ford for the Transit plant and build specifically for the UK Market (currently 60,000 units)? He also stated that it had been said the EIB loan was responsible for the closure of Southampton. Incorrect! Why did it go there in the first place? There has been next to nothing in terms of investment in Southampton. Michael Fallon stated that Southampton can only make one variant? I'm not entirely sure what he means as we produce short wheelbase with low and mid roofs, medium wheelbase vans, and short and medium wheelbase chassis cabs.we currently build at least 14 variants but between Southampton and Kocaeli there are actually 3 million derivatives. The only variant we cannot make are the extra long wheelbase variants. He also mentioned that Southampton "only produced 28,000 vehicles" and "Turkey produced 100,000". We built that many because that is the schedule we have been given. It is not because we cannot build more. The plant can produce 128,000 units at full capacity on three shifts with the current equipment. Vauxhall currently produce around 68,000 units at their Luton plant which builds the Vivaro. this is with 1000 employees. Regarding the European slump, UK sales are doing well and are up on this time last year. Here is a press release from Ford: http://www.ford.co.u k/experience-ford/Ab outFord/News/Company News/2012/Ford-Exten ds-UK-Market Fords ongoing CV market leadership remains unchallenged with a 23.0 per cent of the total CV market in September and a 22.1 per cent share for the year to date. This compares with 11.4 and 11.0 per cent, respectively, for the nearest rival. Ford Transit is in its 47th consecutive year as the UK’s best-selling commercial vehicle. Transit holds 17.6 per cent of the CV market for the year to date compared with 5.6 per cent for its nearest challenger. In September, Transit accounted for 18.3 per cent of the total CV market and since then it has been pretty good. Regarding his comment on the New Model, there is no reason why Southampton could not re-tool and build for a thriving UK market. He also talked about Fords long-term commitment!!! What commitment? The same commitment in which they said as late as September this year that the future of Southampton was safe with the confirmation of the chassis cab despite the current economic climate? If you research the Koc website you'll find that $1billion was put towards the new transit development and $500million towards R&D so why the EIB loan? Ford has a poor market share in Germany yet has the highest paid workforce there.Ford would make substantial profits by moving all production out of Germany but they do not.Primarily because the workforce is extremely large and their employments laws are far stronger.Very difficult to shut a car plant in Germany. Only the GM plant in Bochum is scheduled to close - hte first plant post-war to close - and this will be at a massive cost to GM. Ford Southampton just received two awards at the 2012 Ford President's Health and Safety Awards. Gold performance award (with Turkey getting ONLY Bronze) and also an Extended Leadership Team effort award. FORD Bosses have not recognised ANY meetings so far with the Trade Unions as "official" and therefore have NO minutes. Ford have given no formal written confirmation of the number of jobs being created in Southampton. Ford continues to have increased sales in the UK. Trade Union submitted 40 questions to the Southampton management team that were rasied by the shop floor relating to the plant closure and we have heard nothing. We are still waiting for the Tax Presenatation booklet since last November. UK loves Ford but Ford does not love the UK. 50 years of the Transit at number one. What gratitude do we get at Southampton? A closure![/p][/quote]Do you not remember Tony Blair wanting to invest in Rover to stop it shutting? The EU stopped it & the only reason Turkey can do it is because they're not in the EU. the only country that has sort to do a similar thing & saving their own car plants at the cost of other countries losing their factories was Germany with GM. I wonder if Germany would take any notice what so ever of the EU as in Federal law they can't agree to lose jobs loosehead
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10:11am Fri 22 Feb 13

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
AUTO MAN wrote:
The comparison of plant costs between Soutampton and Kocaeli. Of course labour and operating costs are cheaper, but this doesn't disregard the fact that Southampton is still a hugely profitable and productive plant. (£75 million a year running costs, 28,000 vans per year at a minimum price for a Transit at £18,0000 = £504,000,000.)Every other car plant in the UK can build cheaper abroad but they have continued here as gratitude to their loyal and productive workforce. Even Vauxhall at Ellesmere Port managed to stay afloat, albeit with the help of the Government - and they were in a deep mess!Southampton is not.
The EIB loan to Kocaeli - why? Despite the loss in Europe, Ford posted global profits of $2.2billion!!! Plus, they also managed to fund the future openings of two plants in China for 2014 and 2015 at a cost of $760 million and $600 million!!! These are joint ventures with Changan Ford Mazda Automobile and as far as I'm aware, ownership will be 50/50. This is a similar setup in Turkey Kocaeli with 41% ownership between Ford and Koc and 18% public ownership. Is there no option for Government to discuss joint ownership with Ford for the Transit plant and build specifically for the UK Market (currently 60,000 units)?
He also stated that it had been said the EIB loan was responsible for the closure of Southampton. Incorrect! Why did it go there in the first place? There has been next to nothing in terms of investment in Southampton.
Michael Fallon stated that Southampton can only make one variant? I'm not entirely sure what he means as we produce short wheelbase with low and mid roofs, medium wheelbase vans, and short and medium wheelbase chassis cabs.we currently build at least 14 variants but between Southampton and Kocaeli there are actually 3 million derivatives. The only variant we cannot make are the extra long wheelbase variants.
He also mentioned that Southampton "only produced 28,000 vehicles" and "Turkey produced 100,000". We built that many because that is the schedule we have been given. It is not because we cannot build more. The plant can produce 128,000 units at full capacity on three shifts with the current equipment. Vauxhall currently produce around 68,000 units at their Luton plant which builds the Vivaro. this is with 1000 employees.
Regarding the European slump, UK sales are doing well and are up on this time last year. Here is a press release from Ford:
http://www.ford.co.u


k/experience-ford/Ab


outFord/News/Company


News/2012/Ford-Exten


ds-UK-Market Fords ongoing CV market leadership remains unchallenged with a 23.0 per cent of the total CV market in September and a 22.1 per cent share for the year to date. This compares with 11.4 and 11.0 per cent, respectively, for the nearest rival. Ford Transit is in its 47th consecutive year as the UK’s best-selling commercial vehicle. Transit holds 17.6 per cent of the CV market for the year to date compared with 5.6 per cent for its nearest challenger. In September, Transit accounted for 18.3 per cent of the total CV market and since then it has been pretty good.
Regarding his comment on the New Model, there is no reason why Southampton could not re-tool and build for a thriving UK market.
He also talked about Fords long-term commitment!!! What commitment? The same commitment in which they said as late as September this year that the future of Southampton was safe with the confirmation of the chassis cab despite the current economic climate?
If you research the Koc website you'll find that $1billion was put towards the new transit development and $500million towards R&D so why the EIB loan?
Ford has a poor market share in Germany yet has the highest paid workforce there.Ford would make substantial profits by moving all production out of Germany but they do not.Primarily because the workforce is extremely large and their employments laws are far stronger.Very difficult to shut a car plant in Germany. Only the GM plant in Bochum is scheduled to close - hte first plant post-war to close - and this will be at a massive cost to GM.
Ford Southampton just received two awards at the 2012 Ford President's Health and Safety Awards. Gold performance award (with Turkey getting ONLY Bronze) and also an Extended Leadership Team effort award.
FORD Bosses have not recognised ANY meetings so far with the Trade Unions as "official" and therefore have NO minutes.
Ford have given no formal written confirmation of the number of jobs being created in Southampton.
Ford continues to have increased sales in the UK.
Trade Union submitted 40 questions to the Southampton management team that were rasied by the shop floor relating to the plant closure and we have heard nothing.
We are still waiting for the Tax Presenatation booklet since last November.
UK loves Ford but Ford does not love the UK.
50 years of the Transit at number one. What gratitude do we get at Southampton? A closure!
Do you not remember Tony Blair wanting to invest in Rover to stop it shutting?
The EU stopped it & the only reason Turkey can do it is because they're not in the EU.
the only country that has sort to do a similar thing & saving their own car plants at the cost of other countries losing their factories was Germany with GM.
I wonder if Germany would take any notice what so ever of the EU as in Federal law they can't agree to lose jobs
And the Labour government then sold it to an unproven outfit who failed miserably and turned out to be a bunch of crooks!!! (Labour made a political decision and NOT a business decision - had the Labour government sold it to the other company with proven turn around experience then Rover would probably be still going today!)
>
Labour hasn't a clue where business is concerned!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUTO MAN[/bold] wrote: The comparison of plant costs between Soutampton and Kocaeli. Of course labour and operating costs are cheaper, but this doesn't disregard the fact that Southampton is still a hugely profitable and productive plant. (£75 million a year running costs, 28,000 vans per year at a minimum price for a Transit at £18,0000 = £504,000,000.)Every other car plant in the UK can build cheaper abroad but they have continued here as gratitude to their loyal and productive workforce. Even Vauxhall at Ellesmere Port managed to stay afloat, albeit with the help of the Government - and they were in a deep mess!Southampton is not. The EIB loan to Kocaeli - why? Despite the loss in Europe, Ford posted global profits of $2.2billion!!! Plus, they also managed to fund the future openings of two plants in China for 2014 and 2015 at a cost of $760 million and $600 million!!! These are joint ventures with Changan Ford Mazda Automobile and as far as I'm aware, ownership will be 50/50. This is a similar setup in Turkey Kocaeli with 41% ownership between Ford and Koc and 18% public ownership. Is there no option for Government to discuss joint ownership with Ford for the Transit plant and build specifically for the UK Market (currently 60,000 units)? He also stated that it had been said the EIB loan was responsible for the closure of Southampton. Incorrect! Why did it go there in the first place? There has been next to nothing in terms of investment in Southampton. Michael Fallon stated that Southampton can only make one variant? I'm not entirely sure what he means as we produce short wheelbase with low and mid roofs, medium wheelbase vans, and short and medium wheelbase chassis cabs.we currently build at least 14 variants but between Southampton and Kocaeli there are actually 3 million derivatives. The only variant we cannot make are the extra long wheelbase variants. He also mentioned that Southampton "only produced 28,000 vehicles" and "Turkey produced 100,000". We built that many because that is the schedule we have been given. It is not because we cannot build more. The plant can produce 128,000 units at full capacity on three shifts with the current equipment. Vauxhall currently produce around 68,000 units at their Luton plant which builds the Vivaro. this is with 1000 employees. Regarding the European slump, UK sales are doing well and are up on this time last year. Here is a press release from Ford: http://www.ford.co.u k/experience-ford/Ab outFord/News/Company News/2012/Ford-Exten ds-UK-Market Fords ongoing CV market leadership remains unchallenged with a 23.0 per cent of the total CV market in September and a 22.1 per cent share for the year to date. This compares with 11.4 and 11.0 per cent, respectively, for the nearest rival. Ford Transit is in its 47th consecutive year as the UK’s best-selling commercial vehicle. Transit holds 17.6 per cent of the CV market for the year to date compared with 5.6 per cent for its nearest challenger. In September, Transit accounted for 18.3 per cent of the total CV market and since then it has been pretty good. Regarding his comment on the New Model, there is no reason why Southampton could not re-tool and build for a thriving UK market. He also talked about Fords long-term commitment!!! What commitment? The same commitment in which they said as late as September this year that the future of Southampton was safe with the confirmation of the chassis cab despite the current economic climate? If you research the Koc website you'll find that $1billion was put towards the new transit development and $500million towards R&D so why the EIB loan? Ford has a poor market share in Germany yet has the highest paid workforce there.Ford would make substantial profits by moving all production out of Germany but they do not.Primarily because the workforce is extremely large and their employments laws are far stronger.Very difficult to shut a car plant in Germany. Only the GM plant in Bochum is scheduled to close - hte first plant post-war to close - and this will be at a massive cost to GM. Ford Southampton just received two awards at the 2012 Ford President's Health and Safety Awards. Gold performance award (with Turkey getting ONLY Bronze) and also an Extended Leadership Team effort award. FORD Bosses have not recognised ANY meetings so far with the Trade Unions as "official" and therefore have NO minutes. Ford have given no formal written confirmation of the number of jobs being created in Southampton. Ford continues to have increased sales in the UK. Trade Union submitted 40 questions to the Southampton management team that were rasied by the shop floor relating to the plant closure and we have heard nothing. We are still waiting for the Tax Presenatation booklet since last November. UK loves Ford but Ford does not love the UK. 50 years of the Transit at number one. What gratitude do we get at Southampton? A closure![/p][/quote]Do you not remember Tony Blair wanting to invest in Rover to stop it shutting? The EU stopped it & the only reason Turkey can do it is because they're not in the EU. the only country that has sort to do a similar thing & saving their own car plants at the cost of other countries losing their factories was Germany with GM. I wonder if Germany would take any notice what so ever of the EU as in Federal law they can't agree to lose jobs[/p][/quote]And the Labour government then sold it to an unproven outfit who failed miserably and turned out to be a bunch of crooks!!! (Labour made a political decision and NOT a business decision - had the Labour government sold it to the other company with proven turn around experience then Rover would probably be still going today!) > Labour hasn't a clue where business is concerned! George4th
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3:25pm Fri 22 Feb 13

AUTO MAN says...

Rover were suffering serious financial losses as nobody was buying their cars. Difference with Ford Southampton is that they are not in this situation. Turkey won't be joining the EU anytime soon either. A Russian partnership blossoms. To be fair Turkey have been building transits since 1967 albeit for different markets. With the Inonu plant a stone's throw away from Kocaeli, and churning out over 60000 engines and 150000 transmissions, how long before we see the end of Bridgend and Dagenham...
Rover were suffering serious financial losses as nobody was buying their cars. Difference with Ford Southampton is that they are not in this situation. Turkey won't be joining the EU anytime soon either. A Russian partnership blossoms. To be fair Turkey have been building transits since 1967 albeit for different markets. With the Inonu plant a stone's throw away from Kocaeli, and churning out over 60000 engines and 150000 transmissions, how long before we see the end of Bridgend and Dagenham... AUTO MAN
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3:25pm Fri 22 Feb 13

AUTO MAN says...

Rover were suffering serious financial losses as nobody was buying their cars. Difference with Ford Southampton is that they are not in this situation. Turkey won't be joining the EU anytime soon either. A Russian partnership blossoms. To be fair Turkey have been building transits since 1967 albeit for different markets. With the Inonu plant a stone's throw away from Kocaeli, and churning out over 60000 engines and 150000 transmissions, how long before we see the end of Bridgend and Dagenham...
Rover were suffering serious financial losses as nobody was buying their cars. Difference with Ford Southampton is that they are not in this situation. Turkey won't be joining the EU anytime soon either. A Russian partnership blossoms. To be fair Turkey have been building transits since 1967 albeit for different markets. With the Inonu plant a stone's throw away from Kocaeli, and churning out over 60000 engines and 150000 transmissions, how long before we see the end of Bridgend and Dagenham... AUTO MAN
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3:25pm Fri 22 Feb 13

AUTO MAN says...

Rover were suffering serious financial losses as nobody was buying their cars. Difference with Ford Southampton is that they are not in this situation. Turkey won't be joining the EU anytime soon either. A Russian partnership blossoms. To be fair Turkey have been building transits since 1967 albeit for different markets. With the Inonu plant a stone's throw away from Kocaeli, and churning out over 60000 engines and 150000 transmissions, how long before we see the end of Bridgend and Dagenham...
Rover were suffering serious financial losses as nobody was buying their cars. Difference with Ford Southampton is that they are not in this situation. Turkey won't be joining the EU anytime soon either. A Russian partnership blossoms. To be fair Turkey have been building transits since 1967 albeit for different markets. With the Inonu plant a stone's throw away from Kocaeli, and churning out over 60000 engines and 150000 transmissions, how long before we see the end of Bridgend and Dagenham... AUTO MAN
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4:47pm Fri 22 Feb 13

loosehead says...

AUTO MAN wrote:
Rover were suffering serious financial losses as nobody was buying their cars. Difference with Ford Southampton is that they are not in this situation. Turkey won't be joining the EU anytime soon either. A Russian partnership blossoms. To be fair Turkey have been building transits since 1967 albeit for different markets. With the Inonu plant a stone's throw away from Kocaeli, and churning out over 60000 engines and 150000 transmissions, how long before we see the end of Bridgend and Dagenham...
Well they've got until the green engine is developed
[quote][p][bold]AUTO MAN[/bold] wrote: Rover were suffering serious financial losses as nobody was buying their cars. Difference with Ford Southampton is that they are not in this situation. Turkey won't be joining the EU anytime soon either. A Russian partnership blossoms. To be fair Turkey have been building transits since 1967 albeit for different markets. With the Inonu plant a stone's throw away from Kocaeli, and churning out over 60000 engines and 150000 transmissions, how long before we see the end of Bridgend and Dagenham...[/p][/quote]Well they've got until the green engine is developed loosehead
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