Are these the worst candidates ever - or are we just unlucky?

Daily Echo: Maria Hutchings Maria Hutchings

DAILY ECHO editor Ian Murray takes a look at the candidates standing in the Eastleigh by-election - and he is far from impressed with what he sees.

In his weekly blog, the editor casts his eyes over the men and women vying to represent the people of the constituency and asks: "Are these the worst by-election candidates ever?"

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9:58am Fri 22 Feb 13

George4th says...

I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do! George4th

10:00am Fri 22 Feb 13

skeptik says...

Politics has indeed become the haven for the less than useless, the modern equivalent of the church for the son of the family who would never earn a crust without the tithe to the church to keep him in comfort and good wine. We are a smallish island - yet we have 810 lords and 640 plus MPs, the most perfect nonsense - an 18th century game played by 21st century chancers.
Politics has indeed become the haven for the less than useless, the modern equivalent of the church for the son of the family who would never earn a crust without the tithe to the church to keep him in comfort and good wine. We are a smallish island - yet we have 810 lords and 640 plus MPs, the most perfect nonsense - an 18th century game played by 21st century chancers. skeptik

10:11am Fri 22 Feb 13

AdrianSmith says...

George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it. AdrianSmith

10:28am Fri 22 Feb 13

Donald2000 says...

George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown.

You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them.

So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown. You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them. So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying. Donald2000

10:38am Fri 22 Feb 13

George4th says...

Donald2000 wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown.

You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them.

So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.
"You must have a strange concept of achievement, "

I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work.............

I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life...........
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown. You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them. So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.[/p][/quote]"You must have a strange concept of achievement, " I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work............. I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life........... George4th

10:50am Fri 22 Feb 13

coolnesscoolness says...

Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people

Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK:

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s/41492

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Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament coolnesscoolness

11:06am Fri 22 Feb 13

ghunter717 says...

Has Mr Murray actually Met Maria Hutchings and found out how she continues to support local residents! I doubt it.
If he took the time out to find out what actually makes her tick and be so outspoken in supporting residents he may just get an idea. Being critical at a distance is very easy.
Has Mr Murray actually Met Maria Hutchings and found out how she continues to support local residents! I doubt it. If he took the time out to find out what actually makes her tick and be so outspoken in supporting residents he may just get an idea. Being critical at a distance is very easy. ghunter717

11:08am Fri 22 Feb 13

Plum Pudding says...

Probably not the worst candidates EVER, but a direct and inevitable consequence of elections being completely dominated by the traditional political party system we have in this country. We are particularly ill-served by the mutual exclusivity of local politics and representation by the traditional parties, and not much less at national level. True representation of the views of the local electorate can never happen all the time that party politics dominates and excludes non-aligned candidates. At the same time, it is often better to have a strong government with which you might not agree rather than weak government by vague concensus and loose and unstable coalition. To that extent democracy is a complete myth!
Probably not the worst candidates EVER, but a direct and inevitable consequence of elections being completely dominated by the traditional political party system we have in this country. We are particularly ill-served by the mutual exclusivity of local politics and representation by the traditional parties, and not much less at national level. True representation of the views of the local electorate can never happen all the time that party politics dominates and excludes non-aligned candidates. At the same time, it is often better to have a strong government with which you might not agree rather than weak government by vague concensus and loose and unstable coalition. To that extent democracy is a complete myth! Plum Pudding

11:11am Fri 22 Feb 13

sarfhamton says...

These UKIP people need to understand that Eastleigh has strong Polish connections going back to 1940s when many refugees stayed after being camped in Chandlers Ford.

We don't want UKIP racist propaganda here thanks
These UKIP people need to understand that Eastleigh has strong Polish connections going back to 1940s when many refugees stayed after being camped in Chandlers Ford. We don't want UKIP racist propaganda here thanks sarfhamton

11:12am Fri 22 Feb 13

elvisimo says...

coolnesscoolness wrote:
Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament
No . Dont really think so. Doing quite a good job of stirring up a bit of xenophobia among people too lazy to look into the matter a bit further. "bloody foreigners"
[quote][p][bold]coolnesscoolness[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament[/p][/quote]No . Dont really think so. Doing quite a good job of stirring up a bit of xenophobia among people too lazy to look into the matter a bit further. "bloody foreigners" elvisimo

11:12am Fri 22 Feb 13

sarfhamton says...

coolnesscoolness wrote:
Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people

Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK:

http://epetitions.di

rect.gov.uk/petition

s/41492

Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament
Thing is we need people to come here to do the jobs that British people are too lazy to do.
[quote][p][bold]coolnesscoolness[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament[/p][/quote]Thing is we need people to come here to do the jobs that British people are too lazy to do. sarfhamton

11:14am Fri 22 Feb 13

sarfhamton says...

elvisimo wrote:
coolnesscoolness wrote:
Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament
No . Dont really think so. Doing quite a good job of stirring up a bit of xenophobia among people too lazy to look into the matter a bit further. "bloody foreigners"
Quite right, i have lived in Eastleigh all of my life and found it to be a very tolerant place (apart from a few idiots), we don't want people stirring up race hate for the sake of a few votes.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coolnesscoolness[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament[/p][/quote]No . Dont really think so. Doing quite a good job of stirring up a bit of xenophobia among people too lazy to look into the matter a bit further. "bloody foreigners"[/p][/quote]Quite right, i have lived in Eastleigh all of my life and found it to be a very tolerant place (apart from a few idiots), we don't want people stirring up race hate for the sake of a few votes. sarfhamton

11:18am Fri 22 Feb 13

elvisimo says...

sarfhamton wrote:
coolnesscoolness wrote: Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament
Thing is we need people to come here to do the jobs that British people are too lazy to do.
Exactly. The £6.90 per hour to work in a shop, takeaway etc is beneath them even though their education and effort at school would suggest otherwise.

Watched that dreadful chicken shop programme earleir this week. Interesting point made by the owner - the cv's he gets dropped in are always foreign. Never gets any from uk nationals. His view was they were not interested in working in an establishment like that.

A generation of very lazy pampered people.
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coolnesscoolness[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament[/p][/quote]Thing is we need people to come here to do the jobs that British people are too lazy to do.[/p][/quote]Exactly. The £6.90 per hour to work in a shop, takeaway etc is beneath them even though their education and effort at school would suggest otherwise. Watched that dreadful chicken shop programme earleir this week. Interesting point made by the owner - the cv's he gets dropped in are always foreign. Never gets any from uk nationals. His view was they were not interested in working in an establishment like that. A generation of very lazy pampered people. elvisimo

11:24am Fri 22 Feb 13

ghunter717 says...

coolnesscoolness wrote:
Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people

Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK:

http://epetitions.di

rect.gov.uk/petition

s/41492

Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament
One Trip Pony Party.
Ask them what their policies are on Education, Health, Employment, Education, Foreign Policy, Housing.
Answer is they don't have any! They blame everything on the EU.
Whilst I am not a supporter of the EU under the current terms of membership, I think UKIP should get real with REAL Policies.
A UKIP Vote WILL let the Lib Dems back in. And is a wasted vote.
[quote][p][bold]coolnesscoolness[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament[/p][/quote]One Trip Pony Party. Ask them what their policies are on Education, Health, Employment, Education, Foreign Policy, Housing. Answer is they don't have any! They blame everything on the EU. Whilst I am not a supporter of the EU under the current terms of membership, I think UKIP should get real with REAL Policies. A UKIP Vote WILL let the Lib Dems back in. And is a wasted vote. ghunter717

11:33am Fri 22 Feb 13

Torchie1 says...

Plum Pudding wrote:
Probably not the worst candidates EVER, but a direct and inevitable consequence of elections being completely dominated by the traditional political party system we have in this country. We are particularly ill-served by the mutual exclusivity of local politics and representation by the traditional parties, and not much less at national level. True representation of the views of the local electorate can never happen all the time that party politics dominates and excludes non-aligned candidates. At the same time, it is often better to have a strong government with which you might not agree rather than weak government by vague concensus and loose and unstable coalition. To that extent democracy is a complete myth!
Various Parliamentary codes were used to help form the coalition government after the electorate had their say. It could be said that the outcome upset everyone or it could be seen as the only outcome available under the rules. Whichever way you choose to see it, every registered adult had the opportunity to cast a vote but a large number seem to be happier to sit at home making excuses about why they didn't vote and then spend the next five years complaining about the government. This is the democracy that most of the world models it's own parliaments on whether you see it as a myth or not.
[quote][p][bold]Plum Pudding[/bold] wrote: Probably not the worst candidates EVER, but a direct and inevitable consequence of elections being completely dominated by the traditional political party system we have in this country. We are particularly ill-served by the mutual exclusivity of local politics and representation by the traditional parties, and not much less at national level. True representation of the views of the local electorate can never happen all the time that party politics dominates and excludes non-aligned candidates. At the same time, it is often better to have a strong government with which you might not agree rather than weak government by vague concensus and loose and unstable coalition. To that extent democracy is a complete myth![/p][/quote]Various Parliamentary codes were used to help form the coalition government after the electorate had their say. It could be said that the outcome upset everyone or it could be seen as the only outcome available under the rules. Whichever way you choose to see it, every registered adult had the opportunity to cast a vote but a large number seem to be happier to sit at home making excuses about why they didn't vote and then spend the next five years complaining about the government. This is the democracy that most of the world models it's own parliaments on whether you see it as a myth or not. Torchie1

11:34am Fri 22 Feb 13

sarfhamton says...

elvisimo wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
coolnesscoolness wrote: Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament
Thing is we need people to come here to do the jobs that British people are too lazy to do.
Exactly. The £6.90 per hour to work in a shop, takeaway etc is beneath them even though their education and effort at school would suggest otherwise.

Watched that dreadful chicken shop programme earleir this week. Interesting point made by the owner - the cv's he gets dropped in are always foreign. Never gets any from uk nationals. His view was they were not interested in working in an establishment like that.

A generation of very lazy pampered people.
People that get off their backsides and go and find work abroad show a certain amount of motivation and drive.

I think Eastern Europeans should be admired for looking to get on in life.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coolnesscoolness[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP they are the only party willing to help the British people Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK: http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/41492 Petition is almost at 40,000 at 100,000 it goes before Parliament[/p][/quote]Thing is we need people to come here to do the jobs that British people are too lazy to do.[/p][/quote]Exactly. The £6.90 per hour to work in a shop, takeaway etc is beneath them even though their education and effort at school would suggest otherwise. Watched that dreadful chicken shop programme earleir this week. Interesting point made by the owner - the cv's he gets dropped in are always foreign. Never gets any from uk nationals. His view was they were not interested in working in an establishment like that. A generation of very lazy pampered people.[/p][/quote]People that get off their backsides and go and find work abroad show a certain amount of motivation and drive. I think Eastern Europeans should be admired for looking to get on in life. sarfhamton

11:36am Fri 22 Feb 13

Lone Ranger. says...

AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
[quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished Lone Ranger.

11:36am Fri 22 Feb 13

George4th says...

George4th wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown.

You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them.

So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.
"You must have a strange concept of achievement, "

I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work.............

I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life...........
Just for the record, I was speaking about Maria Hutchings.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown. You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them. So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.[/p][/quote]"You must have a strange concept of achievement, " I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work............. I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life...........[/p][/quote]Just for the record, I was speaking about Maria Hutchings. George4th

11:51am Fri 22 Feb 13

kingnotail says...

God that trout-faced Tory is hideous. You know it's gone badly wrong when even the UKIP candidate it more visually appealing.
God that trout-faced Tory is hideous. You know it's gone badly wrong when even the UKIP candidate it more visually appealing. kingnotail

11:58am Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election. southy

12:19pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates. Stephen J

12:40pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have. southy

12:41pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Outside of the Box says...

George4th wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown.

You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them.

So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.
"You must have a strange concept of achievement, "

I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work.............

I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life...........
Referring to Mr Cameron again?
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown. You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them. So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.[/p][/quote]"You must have a strange concept of achievement, " I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work............. I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life...........[/p][/quote]Referring to Mr Cameron again? Outside of the Box

12:48pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste.
"quote"

Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35
NEWS RELEASE
Immediate Release
22nd February 2013
With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC).

While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat.

Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option.

The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes:

• United resistance to all cuts
• Defence of jobs and services
• Save the NHS
• Renationalise the railways

“It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place."

*unquote
Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste. "quote" Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35 NEWS RELEASE Immediate Release 22nd February 2013 With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC). While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat. Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option. The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes: • United resistance to all cuts • Defence of jobs and services • Save the NHS • Renationalise the railways “It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place." *unquote southy

12:49pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid. Stephen J

12:57pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
.. I think you will find after the result declaration that TUSC's media coverage in the Echo will have turned out to be proportional to the vote they received.

And no, it's not because 'they fear us'; it's because TUSC has shown itself to be incompetent, lacking professionalism and totally insignificant.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote].. I think you will find after the result declaration that TUSC's media coverage in the Echo will have turned out to be proportional to the vote they received. And no, it's not because 'they fear us'; it's because TUSC has shown itself to be incompetent, lacking professionalism and totally insignificant. freefinker

1:03pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste.
"quote"

Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35
NEWS RELEASE
Immediate Release
22nd February 2013
With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC).

While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat.

Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option.

The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes:

• United resistance to all cuts
• Defence of jobs and services
• Save the NHS
• Renationalise the railways

“It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place."

*unquote
It's a bit rich for a party who puts up a rambling, dull, monotonous, charmless, passionless character like Daz Procter to blame others for its failure to communicate.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste. "quote" Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35 NEWS RELEASE Immediate Release 22nd February 2013 With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC). While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat. Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option. The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes: • United resistance to all cuts • Defence of jobs and services • Save the NHS • Renationalise the railways “It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place." *unquote[/p][/quote]It's a bit rich for a party who puts up a rambling, dull, monotonous, charmless, passionless character like Daz Procter to blame others for its failure to communicate. Stephen J

1:05pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Pobinr says...

Meet the unelected Communist EU commissioner who's telling us that we must give all EU immigrants access to our welfare, social housing & pension system including Bulgarians & Romanians regardless of whether they've even paid a single penny into the system. 
Barroso as a young, passionate Maoist student leader in 1976
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=wAHv3UnXv
mM
Meet the unelected Communist EU commissioner who's telling us that we must give all EU immigrants access to our welfare, social housing & pension system including Bulgarians & Romanians regardless of whether they've even paid a single penny into the system.  Barroso as a young, passionate Maoist student leader in 1976 http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=wAHv3UnXv mM Pobinr

1:09pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste.
"quote"

Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35
NEWS RELEASE
Immediate Release
22nd February 2013
With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC).

While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat.

Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option.

The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes:

• United resistance to all cuts
• Defence of jobs and services
• Save the NHS
• Renationalise the railways

“It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place."

*unquote
So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release?

And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste. "quote" Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35 NEWS RELEASE Immediate Release 22nd February 2013 With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC). While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat. Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option. The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes: • United resistance to all cuts • Defence of jobs and services • Save the NHS • Renationalise the railways “It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place." *unquote[/p][/quote]So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release? And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far. freefinker

1:09pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way. southy

1:15pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you? Stephen J

1:18pm Fri 22 Feb 13

George4th says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
George4th wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown.

You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them.

So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.
"You must have a strange concept of achievement, "

I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work.............

I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life...........
Referring to Mr Cameron again?
That's very observant of you and quite correct. So, we have had two people (Maria Hutchings being the one I was referring to) canvasing Eastleigh who have a handle on what life can involve and to know what it is like to battle adversity........
(Cameron having had a fine role model in his disabled father).
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown. You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them. So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.[/p][/quote]"You must have a strange concept of achievement, " I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work............. I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life...........[/p][/quote]Referring to Mr Cameron again?[/p][/quote]That's very observant of you and quite correct. So, we have had two people (Maria Hutchings being the one I was referring to) canvasing Eastleigh who have a handle on what life can involve and to know what it is like to battle adversity........ (Cameron having had a fine role model in his disabled father). George4th

1:23pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste.
"quote"

Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35
NEWS RELEASE
Immediate Release
22nd February 2013
With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC).

While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat.

Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option.

The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes:

• United resistance to all cuts
• Defence of jobs and services
• Save the NHS
• Renationalise the railways

“It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place."

*unquote
So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release?

And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.
Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing.
Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing.
There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask.
So who is more open
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste. "quote" Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35 NEWS RELEASE Immediate Release 22nd February 2013 With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC). While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat. Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option. The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes: • United resistance to all cuts • Defence of jobs and services • Save the NHS • Renationalise the railways “It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place." *unquote[/p][/quote]So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release? And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.[/p][/quote]Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing. Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing. There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask. So who is more open southy

1:24pm Fri 22 Feb 13

elvisimo says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
different plant - but quite a funny one.

Woolfie Smith!!
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]different plant - but quite a funny one. Woolfie Smith!! elvisimo

1:32pm Fri 22 Feb 13

aldermoorboy says...

Come on you Tories you can win this one.
Come on you Tories you can win this one. aldermoorboy

1:32pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Hercules Grytpype-Thynne says...

Well the good people of Eastleigh can vote for the UKIP candidate who represents the views of a great many tories or they can vote for the tory candidate whe seems even more to the right than the UKIP candidate or they can vote for the pseudo tory candidate posing as a liberal. They could of course veote for the socialist candidate. What a choice! I wouldn't bother to vote as to put this lot up as candidates is an insult to the electorate.
Well the good people of Eastleigh can vote for the UKIP candidate who represents the views of a great many tories or they can vote for the tory candidate whe seems even more to the right than the UKIP candidate or they can vote for the pseudo tory candidate posing as a liberal. They could of course veote for the socialist candidate. What a choice! I wouldn't bother to vote as to put this lot up as candidates is an insult to the electorate. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

1:33pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets. southy

1:33pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
Heck even the Green party as more members than UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.[/p][/quote]Heck even the Green party as more members than UKIP. southy

1:38pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Hercules Grytpype-Thynne wrote:
Well the good people of Eastleigh can vote for the UKIP candidate who represents the views of a great many tories or they can vote for the tory candidate whe seems even more to the right than the UKIP candidate or they can vote for the pseudo tory candidate posing as a liberal. They could of course veote for the socialist candidate. What a choice! I wouldn't bother to vote as to put this lot up as candidates is an insult to the electorate.
Do you mean the pseudo socialist of the Labour party, make no mistakes about Labour they are just another Tory party and are just as right wing.
Even the TUSC are not 100% left wing, they have right wing members also.
[quote][p][bold]Hercules Grytpype-Thynne[/bold] wrote: Well the good people of Eastleigh can vote for the UKIP candidate who represents the views of a great many tories or they can vote for the tory candidate whe seems even more to the right than the UKIP candidate or they can vote for the pseudo tory candidate posing as a liberal. They could of course veote for the socialist candidate. What a choice! I wouldn't bother to vote as to put this lot up as candidates is an insult to the electorate.[/p][/quote]Do you mean the pseudo socialist of the Labour party, make no mistakes about Labour they are just another Tory party and are just as right wing. Even the TUSC are not 100% left wing, they have right wing members also. southy

1:47pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste.
"quote"

Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35
NEWS RELEASE
Immediate Release
22nd February 2013
With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC).

While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat.

Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option.

The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes:

• United resistance to all cuts
• Defence of jobs and services
• Save the NHS
• Renationalise the railways

“It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place."

*unquote
So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release?

And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.
Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing.
Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing.
There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask.
So who is more open
RMT's backing of Darren Procter represents: "...another step in the RMT’s drive to build a vehicle for working class political representation, with the union now officially represented on the TUSC national Steering Committee by Bob Crow". And John Reid, the TUSC's candidate in the Gospel Oak by-election, is secretary of the London Transport Regional Council of the RMT.

Now stop it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste. "quote" Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35 NEWS RELEASE Immediate Release 22nd February 2013 With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC). While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat. Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option. The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes: • United resistance to all cuts • Defence of jobs and services • Save the NHS • Renationalise the railways “It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place." *unquote[/p][/quote]So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release? And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.[/p][/quote]Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing. Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing. There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask. So who is more open[/p][/quote]RMT's backing of Darren Procter represents: "...another step in the RMT’s drive to build a vehicle for working class political representation, with the union now officially represented on the TUSC national Steering Committee by Bob Crow". And John Reid, the TUSC's candidate in the Gospel Oak by-election, is secretary of the London Transport Regional Council of the RMT. Now stop it. Stephen J

1:59pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste.
"quote"

Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35
NEWS RELEASE
Immediate Release
22nd February 2013
With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC).

While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat.

Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option.

The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes:

• United resistance to all cuts
• Defence of jobs and services
• Save the NHS
• Renationalise the railways

“It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place."

*unquote
So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release?

And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.
Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing.
Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing.
There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask.
So who is more open
RMT's backing of Darren Procter represents: "...another step in the RMT’s drive to build a vehicle for working class political representation, with the union now officially represented on the TUSC national Steering Committee by Bob Crow". And John Reid, the TUSC's candidate in the Gospel Oak by-election, is secretary of the London Transport Regional Council of the RMT.

Now stop it.
Get up todate will you, Bob Crow is not on the steering commitee, he was there in the early days, but step down some time ago, also the RMT are not the only union members to be taking part in the TUSC, there are Unite, Unison, FBU, PSC, GMB, and many other Union members, there also SP, SWP, and a high number of other political minded groups and people.
Thats why its Unionist and not Union or Unions, and its Coalition and not party, Its a broad spectrum of people and different ways of thinking, maybe thats why the TUSC can get it right where the others would fail, we are not looking at the problems at one view but many views so we would see a beter course of action that are better suired to the majoriity of people and never the few.
Just like Labour Party was before Neil Kinnock took leadership, and removed all those with oposing different view.
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste. "quote" Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35 NEWS RELEASE Immediate Release 22nd February 2013 With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC). While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat. Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option. The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes: • United resistance to all cuts • Defence of jobs and services • Save the NHS • Renationalise the railways “It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place." *unquote[/p][/quote]So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release? And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.[/p][/quote]Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing. Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing. There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask. So who is more open[/p][/quote]RMT's backing of Darren Procter represents: "...another step in the RMT’s drive to build a vehicle for working class political representation, with the union now officially represented on the TUSC national Steering Committee by Bob Crow". And John Reid, the TUSC's candidate in the Gospel Oak by-election, is secretary of the London Transport Regional Council of the RMT. Now stop it.[/p][/quote]Get up todate will you, Bob Crow is not on the steering commitee, he was there in the early days, but step down some time ago, also the RMT are not the only union members to be taking part in the TUSC, there are Unite, Unison, FBU, PSC, GMB, and many other Union members, there also SP, SWP, and a high number of other political minded groups and people. Thats why its Unionist and not Union or Unions, and its Coalition and not party, Its a broad spectrum of people and different ways of thinking, maybe thats why the TUSC can get it right where the others would fail, we are not looking at the problems at one view but many views so we would see a beter course of action that are better suired to the majoriity of people and never the few. Just like Labour Party was before Neil Kinnock took leadership, and removed all those with oposing different view. southy

2:11pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release!
Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release! Stephen J

2:27pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Stephen J wrote:
Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release!
Some made an error then
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release![/p][/quote]Some made an error then southy

2:31pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.[/p][/quote]You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ? Torchie1

2:32pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release!
Some made an error then
The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release![/p][/quote]Some made an error then[/p][/quote]The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest. southy

2:33pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release!
Some made an error then
Yes, it was you.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release![/p][/quote]Some made an error then[/p][/quote]Yes, it was you. freefinker

2:44pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste.
"quote"

Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35
NEWS RELEASE
Immediate Release
22nd February 2013
With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC).

While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat.

Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option.

The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes:

• United resistance to all cuts
• Defence of jobs and services
• Save the NHS
• Renationalise the railways

“It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place."

*unquote
So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release?

And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.
Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing.
Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing.
There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask.
So who is more open
RMT's backing of Darren Procter represents: "...another step in the RMT’s drive to build a vehicle for working class political representation, with the union now officially represented on the TUSC national Steering Committee by Bob Crow". And John Reid, the TUSC's candidate in the Gospel Oak by-election, is secretary of the London Transport Regional Council of the RMT.

Now stop it.
Get up todate will you, Bob Crow is not on the steering commitee, he was there in the early days, but step down some time ago, also the RMT are not the only union members to be taking part in the TUSC, there are Unite, Unison, FBU, PSC, GMB, and many other Union members, there also SP, SWP, and a high number of other political minded groups and people.
Thats why its Unionist and not Union or Unions, and its Coalition and not party, Its a broad spectrum of people and different ways of thinking, maybe thats why the TUSC can get it right where the others would fail, we are not looking at the problems at one view but many views so we would see a beter course of action that are better suired to the majoriity of people and never the few.
Just like Labour Party was before Neil Kinnock took leadership, and removed all those with oposing different view.
.. southy, Militant Tendency (which has subsequently morphed into your very own Socialist Party) tried their usual Trotskyist entryist tactic on the Labour Party back in the 1970's and 80's and were, quite rightly, unceremoniously kicked out. They did not believe in the democratic law-abiding aims and objectives of the Labour Party, or the views of the majority of its members, and tried to steer it to an unelectable far-left position.

The only time they ever gained any real position of power was in Liverpool. Driving the council to bankruptcy and issuing redundancy notices to the entire council workforce resulted in them being removed from power at the very first electoral opportunity; never to have any further electoral success ever again. The people experienced your brand of politics and thoroughly rejected it.

And that is still the current position as your electoral results in Southampton demonstrate. As for bigging up TUSC to be outdoing UKIP et al, that’s just your usual fantasy. You can say it as often as you like, but it will never happen.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste. "quote" Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35 NEWS RELEASE Immediate Release 22nd February 2013 With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC). While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat. Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option. The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes: • United resistance to all cuts • Defence of jobs and services • Save the NHS • Renationalise the railways “It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place." *unquote[/p][/quote]So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release? And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.[/p][/quote]Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing. Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing. There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask. So who is more open[/p][/quote]RMT's backing of Darren Procter represents: "...another step in the RMT’s drive to build a vehicle for working class political representation, with the union now officially represented on the TUSC national Steering Committee by Bob Crow". And John Reid, the TUSC's candidate in the Gospel Oak by-election, is secretary of the London Transport Regional Council of the RMT. Now stop it.[/p][/quote]Get up todate will you, Bob Crow is not on the steering commitee, he was there in the early days, but step down some time ago, also the RMT are not the only union members to be taking part in the TUSC, there are Unite, Unison, FBU, PSC, GMB, and many other Union members, there also SP, SWP, and a high number of other political minded groups and people. Thats why its Unionist and not Union or Unions, and its Coalition and not party, Its a broad spectrum of people and different ways of thinking, maybe thats why the TUSC can get it right where the others would fail, we are not looking at the problems at one view but many views so we would see a beter course of action that are better suired to the majoriity of people and never the few. Just like Labour Party was before Neil Kinnock took leadership, and removed all those with oposing different view.[/p][/quote].. southy, Militant Tendency (which has subsequently morphed into your very own Socialist Party) tried their usual Trotskyist entryist tactic on the Labour Party back in the 1970's and 80's and were, quite rightly, unceremoniously kicked out. They did not believe in the democratic law-abiding aims and objectives of the Labour Party, or the views of the majority of its members, and tried to steer it to an unelectable far-left position. The only time they ever gained any real position of power was in Liverpool. Driving the council to bankruptcy and issuing redundancy notices to the entire council workforce resulted in them being removed from power at the very first electoral opportunity; never to have any further electoral success ever again. The people experienced your brand of politics and thoroughly rejected it. And that is still the current position as your electoral results in Southampton demonstrate. As for bigging up TUSC to be outdoing UKIP et al, that’s just your usual fantasy. You can say it as often as you like, but it will never happen. freefinker

2:50pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

If Tory candidate in Eastleigh is expert at putting her foot in own big mouth then Editor of Daily Echo is equally good at playing the same game.

“We all know that democracy is flawed as a system of choosing governments” says Ian Murray.

No Ian these may be your own views, you have no mandate to make such silly statement on behalf of us ALL.

You may be in powerful position as your local rag has virtual monopoly in this area, which you appear to be good at abusing, but you have no mandate to say “We All know”.

How can you qualify your claim?

As journo and editor you have tried to dig the dirt about NuLabour’s comedy writer candidate, from his statement of many years ago and have, probably with some justification, criticized the clown for having expressed sympathy for fascist regime of Argentina and accused him of undermining British troops.

But you conveniently appear to have forgotten that you yourself are also against the very democracy our armed forces are supposed to defend. (let us forget about Iraq at the moment!) So Sir, which way are you doing better than NuLabour candidate.

All the candidates contesting election in East Leigh may not appeal to you as politically biased Echo’s editor. But in fairness to them all by taking part in democratic process they have given the opportunity to people to pick one to represent them in the parliament.

If you are not happy with them why could you not put himself up as a candidate?..... Oh, old age is catching up with me; I forgot you have already made your dislike for democracy crystal clear.

Finally my request: You are a very capable person, rather than winding people up please use your paper for providing balanced coverage about ALL the candidates and their policies in this by-election, otherwise people like not only socialist Southy but also NuLabour will be very rightly accusing your rag for political bias.
If Tory candidate in Eastleigh is expert at putting her foot in own big mouth then Editor of Daily Echo is equally good at playing the same game. “We all know that democracy is flawed as a system of choosing governments” says Ian Murray. No Ian these may be your own views, you have no mandate to make such silly statement on behalf of us ALL. You may be in powerful position as your local rag has virtual monopoly in this area, which you appear to be good at abusing, but you have no mandate to say “We All know”. How can you qualify your claim? As journo and editor you have tried to dig the dirt about NuLabour’s comedy writer candidate, from his statement of many years ago and have, probably with some justification, criticized the clown for having expressed sympathy for fascist regime of Argentina and accused him of undermining British troops. But you conveniently appear to have forgotten that you yourself are also against the very democracy our armed forces are supposed to defend. (let us forget about Iraq at the moment!) So Sir, which way are you doing better than NuLabour candidate. All the candidates contesting election in East Leigh may not appeal to you as politically biased Echo’s editor. But in fairness to them all by taking part in democratic process they have given the opportunity to people to pick one to represent them in the parliament. If you are not happy with them why could you not put himself up as a candidate?..... Oh, old age is catching up with me; I forgot you have already made your dislike for democracy crystal clear. Finally my request: You are a very capable person, rather than winding people up please use your paper for providing balanced coverage about ALL the candidates and their policies in this by-election, otherwise people like not only socialist Southy but also NuLabour will be very rightly accusing your rag for political bias. Paramjit Bahia

2:59pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?
The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes.
The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%.
The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1%
All quote there are the from SCC electrol office.
And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards.
It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out.

, the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC.
Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.[/p][/quote]You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?[/p][/quote]The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes. The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%. The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1% All quote there are the from SCC electrol office. And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards. It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out. , the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC. Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor southy

3:00pm Fri 22 Feb 13

bazzeroz says...

Say's he who's staff can't spell or use proper grammar! Stand yourself then!
Say's he who's staff can't spell or use proper grammar! Stand yourself then! bazzeroz

3:06pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release!
Some made an error then
The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.
Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release![/p][/quote]Some made an error then[/p][/quote]The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.[/p][/quote]Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about? Stephen J

3:11pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?
The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes.
The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%.
The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1%
All quote there are the from SCC electrol office.
And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards.
It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out.

, the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC.
Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor
wrong, wrong, wrong; as I have pointed out several times now.
In both 2011 and 2012 TUSC contested 13 wards.
2011 – 1824 votes representing 2.9% of the vote.
2012 – 1227 votes representing 2.1% of the vote.
TUSC is going backwards in Southampton in both votes cast and percentage of the vote.

and, wrong, wrong, wrong yet again.
Redbridge did NOT have the lowest turnout. In both years it was only 4th lowest. Bargate, Bevois and Swaythling all had lower turnouts than Redbridge.

When are you going to stop making things up?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.[/p][/quote]You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?[/p][/quote]The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes. The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%. The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1% All quote there are the from SCC electrol office. And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards. It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out. , the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC. Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor[/p][/quote]wrong, wrong, wrong; as I have pointed out several times now. In both 2011 and 2012 TUSC contested 13 wards. 2011 – 1824 votes representing 2.9% of the vote. 2012 – 1227 votes representing 2.1% of the vote. TUSC is going backwards in Southampton in both votes cast and percentage of the vote. and, wrong, wrong, wrong yet again. Redbridge did NOT have the lowest turnout. In both years it was only 4th lowest. Bargate, Bevois and Swaythling all had lower turnouts than Redbridge. When are you going to stop making things up? freefinker

3:14pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release!
Some made an error then
The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.
Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about?
.. isn't it all three of these?
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release![/p][/quote]Some made an error then[/p][/quote]The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.[/p][/quote]Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about?[/p][/quote].. isn't it all three of these? freefinker

3:38pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?
The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes.
The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%.
The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1%
All quote there are the from SCC electrol office.
And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards.
It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out.

, the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC.
Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor
wrong, wrong, wrong; as I have pointed out several times now.
In both 2011 and 2012 TUSC contested 13 wards.
2011 – 1824 votes representing 2.9% of the vote.
2012 – 1227 votes representing 2.1% of the vote.
TUSC is going backwards in Southampton in both votes cast and percentage of the vote.

and, wrong, wrong, wrong yet again.
Redbridge did NOT have the lowest turnout. In both years it was only 4th lowest. Bargate, Bevois and Swaythling all had lower turnouts than Redbridge.

When are you going to stop making things up?
Your wrong Free I am quoting from the Electrol office base in the civic center, and not the SCC web site.
Redbridge had the lowest turn out, it only just made 30.1% turn out, the majority of the wards had roughly 32.3 to 33.8 turn out.
Bevois had 30.9 turn out, Swaything 31.4 turn out.
2011 Overall turnout in the election was 37.0%
2012 Overall turnout in the election was 34.0%

Or are you still reading the early rough count. that came out the day after the election.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.[/p][/quote]You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?[/p][/quote]The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes. The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%. The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1% All quote there are the from SCC electrol office. And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards. It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out. , the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC. Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor[/p][/quote]wrong, wrong, wrong; as I have pointed out several times now. In both 2011 and 2012 TUSC contested 13 wards. 2011 – 1824 votes representing 2.9% of the vote. 2012 – 1227 votes representing 2.1% of the vote. TUSC is going backwards in Southampton in both votes cast and percentage of the vote. and, wrong, wrong, wrong yet again. Redbridge did NOT have the lowest turnout. In both years it was only 4th lowest. Bargate, Bevois and Swaythling all had lower turnouts than Redbridge. When are you going to stop making things up?[/p][/quote]Your wrong Free I am quoting from the Electrol office base in the civic center, and not the SCC web site. Redbridge had the lowest turn out, it only just made 30.1% turn out, the majority of the wards had roughly 32.3 to 33.8 turn out. Bevois had 30.9 turn out, Swaything 31.4 turn out. 2011 Overall turnout in the election was 37.0% 2012 Overall turnout in the election was 34.0% Or are you still reading the early rough count. that came out the day after the election. southy

3:50pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

The 2011 election was boosted because of the AV vote, took place on the same day.
The 2011 election was boosted because of the AV vote, took place on the same day. southy

3:57pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release!
Some made an error then
The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.
Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about?
.. isn't it all three of these?
He can turn up at the steering committee meeting, I can turn up at steering committees meetings, also you can if you like to turn up.
The TUSC runs an open book policy, if you want to turn up at any of the meetings you just have to let them know way in advance.
We are not like all the other partys that like to have meetings closed to people
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release![/p][/quote]Some made an error then[/p][/quote]The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.[/p][/quote]Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about?[/p][/quote].. isn't it all three of these?[/p][/quote]He can turn up at the steering committee meeting, I can turn up at steering committees meetings, also you can if you like to turn up. The TUSC runs an open book policy, if you want to turn up at any of the meetings you just have to let them know way in advance. We are not like all the other partys that like to have meetings closed to people southy

4:07pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
What you mean is that the difference between TUSC and UKIP is that UKIP understands that political success is about actual votes cast in the ballot box, not about participating in some kind of heroic class struggle.

How are you counting TUSC 'membership', given that it's not a political party that people can join?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.[/p][/quote]What you mean is that the difference between TUSC and UKIP is that UKIP understands that political success is about actual votes cast in the ballot box, not about participating in some kind of heroic class struggle. How are you counting TUSC 'membership', given that it's not a political party that people can join? Stephen J

4:09pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?
The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes.
The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%.
The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1%
All quote there are the from SCC electrol office.
And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards.
It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out.

, the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC.
Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor
wrong, wrong, wrong; as I have pointed out several times now.
In both 2011 and 2012 TUSC contested 13 wards.
2011 – 1824 votes representing 2.9% of the vote.
2012 – 1227 votes representing 2.1% of the vote.
TUSC is going backwards in Southampton in both votes cast and percentage of the vote.

and, wrong, wrong, wrong yet again.
Redbridge did NOT have the lowest turnout. In both years it was only 4th lowest. Bargate, Bevois and Swaythling all had lower turnouts than Redbridge.

When are you going to stop making things up?
Your wrong Free I am quoting from the Electrol office base in the civic center, and not the SCC web site.
Redbridge had the lowest turn out, it only just made 30.1% turn out, the majority of the wards had roughly 32.3 to 33.8 turn out.
Bevois had 30.9 turn out, Swaything 31.4 turn out.
2011 Overall turnout in the election was 37.0%
2012 Overall turnout in the election was 34.0%

Or are you still reading the early rough count. that came out the day after the election.
No you are not, you are just making it up.

2012 Southampton Local Elections.
Bargate – electorate 13919, voted 2261 = 16.32%.
Bevis – electorate 11556, voted 2563 = 22.18%.
Swaythling – electorate 9723, voted 2410 = 24.89%.
Redbridge – electorate 10406, voted 2880 = 27.81%.

As it says “Printed and published by the Returning Officer”.

Do you really want me to do 2011 as well – it’s the same 3 wards that are again lower than Redbridge.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.[/p][/quote]You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?[/p][/quote]The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes. The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%. The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1% All quote there are the from SCC electrol office. And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards. It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out. , the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC. Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor[/p][/quote]wrong, wrong, wrong; as I have pointed out several times now. In both 2011 and 2012 TUSC contested 13 wards. 2011 – 1824 votes representing 2.9% of the vote. 2012 – 1227 votes representing 2.1% of the vote. TUSC is going backwards in Southampton in both votes cast and percentage of the vote. and, wrong, wrong, wrong yet again. Redbridge did NOT have the lowest turnout. In both years it was only 4th lowest. Bargate, Bevois and Swaythling all had lower turnouts than Redbridge. When are you going to stop making things up?[/p][/quote]Your wrong Free I am quoting from the Electrol office base in the civic center, and not the SCC web site. Redbridge had the lowest turn out, it only just made 30.1% turn out, the majority of the wards had roughly 32.3 to 33.8 turn out. Bevois had 30.9 turn out, Swaything 31.4 turn out. 2011 Overall turnout in the election was 37.0% 2012 Overall turnout in the election was 34.0% Or are you still reading the early rough count. that came out the day after the election.[/p][/quote]No you are not, you are just making it up. 2012 Southampton Local Elections. Bargate – electorate 13919, voted 2261 = 16.32%. Bevis – electorate 11556, voted 2563 = 22.18%. Swaythling – electorate 9723, voted 2410 = 24.89%. Redbridge – electorate 10406, voted 2880 = 27.81%. As it says “Printed and published by the Returning Officer”. Do you really want me to do 2011 as well – it’s the same 3 wards that are again lower than Redbridge. freefinker

4:11pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
The 2011 election was boosted because of the AV vote, took place on the same day.
Yes, agreed, turnout was up in 2011.
But TUSC's SHARE of the vote was down.
You are going backwards.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 2011 election was boosted because of the AV vote, took place on the same day.[/p][/quote]Yes, agreed, turnout was up in 2011. But TUSC's SHARE of the vote was down. You are going backwards. freefinker

4:13pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release!
Some made an error then
The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.
Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about?
.. isn't it all three of these?
He can turn up at the steering committee meeting, I can turn up at steering committees meetings, also you can if you like to turn up.
The TUSC runs an open book policy, if you want to turn up at any of the meetings you just have to let them know way in advance.
We are not like all the other partys that like to have meetings closed to people
You're caught out I'm afraid. I didn't say that he was on record as having attended. Quite the opposite. His apologies are recorded for NOT having attended, precisely because he IS on the committee!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release![/p][/quote]Some made an error then[/p][/quote]The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.[/p][/quote]Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about?[/p][/quote].. isn't it all three of these?[/p][/quote]He can turn up at the steering committee meeting, I can turn up at steering committees meetings, also you can if you like to turn up. The TUSC runs an open book policy, if you want to turn up at any of the meetings you just have to let them know way in advance. We are not like all the other partys that like to have meetings closed to people[/p][/quote]You're caught out I'm afraid. I didn't say that he was on record as having attended. Quite the opposite. His apologies are recorded for NOT having attended, precisely because he IS on the committee! Stephen J

4:21pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
What you mean is that the difference between TUSC and UKIP is that UKIP understands that political success is about actual votes cast in the ballot box, not about participating in some kind of heroic class struggle.

How are you counting TUSC 'membership', given that it's not a political party that people can join?
Its more of a case that UKIP will never be able to gain control of a Council let alone a national government, you need bigger numbers in membership, the Green party as the same problem at the moment, but at lest they have controlled councils but they do not have enough to be able control national government, and it will be intresting in the next few years to see what direction they will go, and much effect will be on them because of what happened in Brighton and Bristol.
Success is not measured on winning a seat here and there, most partys could that when picking easy winning seats, success comes in how much you can cover
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.[/p][/quote]What you mean is that the difference between TUSC and UKIP is that UKIP understands that political success is about actual votes cast in the ballot box, not about participating in some kind of heroic class struggle. How are you counting TUSC 'membership', given that it's not a political party that people can join?[/p][/quote]Its more of a case that UKIP will never be able to gain control of a Council let alone a national government, you need bigger numbers in membership, the Green party as the same problem at the moment, but at lest they have controlled councils but they do not have enough to be able control national government, and it will be intresting in the next few years to see what direction they will go, and much effect will be on them because of what happened in Brighton and Bristol. Success is not measured on winning a seat here and there, most partys could that when picking easy winning seats, success comes in how much you can cover southy

4:27pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release!
Some made an error then
The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.
Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about?
.. isn't it all three of these?
He can turn up at the steering committee meeting, I can turn up at steering committees meetings, also you can if you like to turn up.
The TUSC runs an open book policy, if you want to turn up at any of the meetings you just have to let them know way in advance.
We are not like all the other partys that like to have meetings closed to people
You're caught out I'm afraid. I didn't say that he was on record as having attended. Quite the opposite. His apologies are recorded for NOT having attended, precisely because he IS on the committee!
Like my apologies have been on record in the pass, when I have said I would turn up and at the last min was not able to. It happens to us all at some point.
But with Bob it happens a lot, thats why he step down some time ago, but still likes to turn up when he can.
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release![/p][/quote]Some made an error then[/p][/quote]The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.[/p][/quote]Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about?[/p][/quote].. isn't it all three of these?[/p][/quote]He can turn up at the steering committee meeting, I can turn up at steering committees meetings, also you can if you like to turn up. The TUSC runs an open book policy, if you want to turn up at any of the meetings you just have to let them know way in advance. We are not like all the other partys that like to have meetings closed to people[/p][/quote]You're caught out I'm afraid. I didn't say that he was on record as having attended. Quite the opposite. His apologies are recorded for NOT having attended, precisely because he IS on the committee![/p][/quote]Like my apologies have been on record in the pass, when I have said I would turn up and at the last min was not able to. It happens to us all at some point. But with Bob it happens a lot, thats why he step down some time ago, but still likes to turn up when he can. southy

4:29pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
The 2011 election was boosted because of the AV vote, took place on the same day.
Yes, agreed, turnout was up in 2011.
But TUSC's SHARE of the vote was down.
You are going backwards.
It went up by 2.1%. as i quoted from the Electrol office
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 2011 election was boosted because of the AV vote, took place on the same day.[/p][/quote]Yes, agreed, turnout was up in 2011. But TUSC's SHARE of the vote was down. You are going backwards.[/p][/quote]It went up by 2.1%. as i quoted from the Electrol office southy

4:30pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
What you mean is that the difference between TUSC and UKIP is that UKIP understands that political success is about actual votes cast in the ballot box, not about participating in some kind of heroic class struggle.

How are you counting TUSC 'membership', given that it's not a political party that people can join?
Its more of a case that UKIP will never be able to gain control of a Council let alone a national government, you need bigger numbers in membership, the Green party as the same problem at the moment, but at lest they have controlled councils but they do not have enough to be able control national government, and it will be intresting in the next few years to see what direction they will go, and much effect will be on them because of what happened in Brighton and Bristol.
Success is not measured on winning a seat here and there, most partys could that when picking easy winning seats, success comes in how much you can cover
Yes southy, if you say so. So, it’s ‘success comes in how much you can cover’, is it?

You mean like the Natural Law Party. In the 1992 general election, held on 9 April, 310 candidates stood for the NLP in the UK, garnering 0.19% of the vote, with every candidate losing their deposit.

Yep, what a success. We don’t want to win seats, do we? No, that’s for losers.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.[/p][/quote]What you mean is that the difference between TUSC and UKIP is that UKIP understands that political success is about actual votes cast in the ballot box, not about participating in some kind of heroic class struggle. How are you counting TUSC 'membership', given that it's not a political party that people can join?[/p][/quote]Its more of a case that UKIP will never be able to gain control of a Council let alone a national government, you need bigger numbers in membership, the Green party as the same problem at the moment, but at lest they have controlled councils but they do not have enough to be able control national government, and it will be intresting in the next few years to see what direction they will go, and much effect will be on them because of what happened in Brighton and Bristol. Success is not measured on winning a seat here and there, most partys could that when picking easy winning seats, success comes in how much you can cover[/p][/quote]Yes southy, if you say so. So, it’s ‘success comes in how much you can cover’, is it? You mean like the Natural Law Party. In the 1992 general election, held on 9 April, 310 candidates stood for the NLP in the UK, garnering 0.19% of the vote, with every candidate losing their deposit. Yep, what a success. We don’t want to win seats, do we? No, that’s for losers. freefinker

4:31pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release!
Some made an error then
The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.
Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about?
.. isn't it all three of these?
He can turn up at the steering committee meeting, I can turn up at steering committees meetings, also you can if you like to turn up.
The TUSC runs an open book policy, if you want to turn up at any of the meetings you just have to let them know way in advance.
We are not like all the other partys that like to have meetings closed to people
You're caught out I'm afraid. I didn't say that he was on record as having attended. Quite the opposite. His apologies are recorded for NOT having attended, precisely because he IS on the committee!
Like my apologies have been on record in the pass, when I have said I would turn up and at the last min was not able to. It happens to us all at some point.
But with Bob it happens a lot, thats why he step down some time ago, but still likes to turn up when he can.
Why not just stop digging?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: Get up to date? The bit about Bob Crow is from yesterday's TUSC press release![/p][/quote]Some made an error then[/p][/quote]The steering committee members has to attend every conference, Bod Crow was unable to do so, so he step down. And now some one represents them on steering committee for Unionist interest.[/p][/quote]Bob Crow is on the record as being on the Steering Committee at its most recent meeting for which minutes have been published - December 2012. Is it that you: 1) are misinformed; 2) are deliberately not telling the truth; or 3) don't know what you're talking about?[/p][/quote].. isn't it all three of these?[/p][/quote]He can turn up at the steering committee meeting, I can turn up at steering committees meetings, also you can if you like to turn up. The TUSC runs an open book policy, if you want to turn up at any of the meetings you just have to let them know way in advance. We are not like all the other partys that like to have meetings closed to people[/p][/quote]You're caught out I'm afraid. I didn't say that he was on record as having attended. Quite the opposite. His apologies are recorded for NOT having attended, precisely because he IS on the committee![/p][/quote]Like my apologies have been on record in the pass, when I have said I would turn up and at the last min was not able to. It happens to us all at some point. But with Bob it happens a lot, thats why he step down some time ago, but still likes to turn up when he can.[/p][/quote]Why not just stop digging? Stephen J

4:37pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
The 2011 election was boosted because of the AV vote, took place on the same day.
Yes, agreed, turnout was up in 2011.
But TUSC's SHARE of the vote was down.
You are going backwards.
It went up by 2.1%. as i quoted from the Electrol office
wrong, wrong, wrong as I've already proved.

2011 TUSC 1824, voted 62841 = 2.9%.
2102 TUSC 1227, voted 57856 = 2.1%.

Going backwards on votes cast.
Going backwards on vote percentage.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 2011 election was boosted because of the AV vote, took place on the same day.[/p][/quote]Yes, agreed, turnout was up in 2011. But TUSC's SHARE of the vote was down. You are going backwards.[/p][/quote]It went up by 2.1%. as i quoted from the Electrol office[/p][/quote]wrong, wrong, wrong as I've already proved. 2011 TUSC 1824, voted 62841 = 2.9%. 2102 TUSC 1227, voted 57856 = 2.1%. Going backwards on votes cast. Going backwards on vote percentage. freefinker

4:47pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Linesman says...

Donald2000 wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown.

You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them.

So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.
"In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown."

If they are totally unknown, how do you know that they have achieved more than any of these politicians?

With comments like that, you could well qualify to be one of the candidates.
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown. You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them. So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.[/p][/quote]"In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown." If they are totally unknown, how do you know that they have achieved more than any of these politicians? With comments like that, you could well qualify to be one of the candidates. Linesman

4:48pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Stephen J Let me point some out to you, just to win sole control of Southampton council you will need 23 ward seats won and that will give you a majority of 1, UKIP, Greens, BNP, and the first party would never be able to do that, there membership is to small, they have nothing to back up a ward the following year should they ever win a ward, this is where the TUSC is different they can, standing in 13 wards is only 1/3 of the TUSC, so any that do win a seat the following year we can have some new to contest that ward.
now can you see the short fall off other minor partys.
Stephen J Let me point some out to you, just to win sole control of Southampton council you will need 23 ward seats won and that will give you a majority of 1, UKIP, Greens, BNP, and the first party would never be able to do that, there membership is to small, they have nothing to back up a ward the following year should they ever win a ward, this is where the TUSC is different they can, standing in 13 wards is only 1/3 of the TUSC, so any that do win a seat the following year we can have some new to contest that ward. now can you see the short fall off other minor partys. southy

4:54pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Linesman says...

George4th wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown.

You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them.

So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.
"You must have a strange concept of achievement, "

I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work.............

I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life...........
I have no doubt that there are many mothers who have brought up 4, and even more, children, possibly with a disability, but would that make them the best candidate that the Tories could find?

With the current plans by Ian Duncan Smith, there are disabled people who will be penalised with the proposed 'bedroom tax', because they are unable to share a bedroom with their spouse.

That is the caring party that Maria Hutchings is representing.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown. You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them. So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.[/p][/quote]"You must have a strange concept of achievement, " I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work............. I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life...........[/p][/quote]I have no doubt that there are many mothers who have brought up 4, and even more, children, possibly with a disability, but would that make them the best candidate that the Tories could find? With the current plans by Ian Duncan Smith, there are disabled people who will be penalised with the proposed 'bedroom tax', because they are unable to share a bedroom with their spouse. That is the caring party that Maria Hutchings is representing. Linesman

4:59pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J Let me point some out to you, just to win sole control of Southampton council you will need 23 ward seats won and that will give you a majority of 1, UKIP, Greens, BNP, and the first party would never be able to do that, there membership is to small, they have nothing to back up a ward the following year should they ever win a ward, this is where the TUSC is different they can, standing in 13 wards is only 1/3 of the TUSC, so any that do win a seat the following year we can have some new to contest that ward.
now can you see the short fall off other minor partys.
Ok, that's the strategy. All you've got to sort out now are the policies that people will vote for. You might start by not being so obviously the political wing of union bureacracy.

Again, how many members does TUSC have?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J Let me point some out to you, just to win sole control of Southampton council you will need 23 ward seats won and that will give you a majority of 1, UKIP, Greens, BNP, and the first party would never be able to do that, there membership is to small, they have nothing to back up a ward the following year should they ever win a ward, this is where the TUSC is different they can, standing in 13 wards is only 1/3 of the TUSC, so any that do win a seat the following year we can have some new to contest that ward. now can you see the short fall off other minor partys.[/p][/quote]Ok, that's the strategy. All you've got to sort out now are the policies that people will vote for. You might start by not being so obviously the political wing of union bureacracy. Again, how many members does TUSC have? Stephen J

5:00pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J Let me point some out to you, just to win sole control of Southampton council you will need 23 ward seats won and that will give you a majority of 1, UKIP, Greens, BNP, and the first party would never be able to do that, there membership is to small, they have nothing to back up a ward the following year should they ever win a ward, this is where the TUSC is different they can, standing in 13 wards is only 1/3 of the TUSC, so any that do win a seat the following year we can have some new to contest that ward.
now can you see the short fall off other minor partys.
.. is that why 8 of your 13 candidates stood in both 2011 and 2012. Doesn't seem to me you actually do have enough members to cover all 16 wards for all 3 years of the election cycle.

And, of course, you know very, very little of the membership position and ability to field candidates of the other parties you mention; i.e. the nationally electorally more successful UKIP, Green Party and the BNP.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J Let me point some out to you, just to win sole control of Southampton council you will need 23 ward seats won and that will give you a majority of 1, UKIP, Greens, BNP, and the first party would never be able to do that, there membership is to small, they have nothing to back up a ward the following year should they ever win a ward, this is where the TUSC is different they can, standing in 13 wards is only 1/3 of the TUSC, so any that do win a seat the following year we can have some new to contest that ward. now can you see the short fall off other minor partys.[/p][/quote].. is that why 8 of your 13 candidates stood in both 2011 and 2012. Doesn't seem to me you actually do have enough members to cover all 16 wards for all 3 years of the election cycle. And, of course, you know very, very little of the membership position and ability to field candidates of the other parties you mention; i.e. the nationally electorally more successful UKIP, Green Party and the BNP. freefinker

5:23pm Fri 22 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Vote for Hope, imagine if this guy suddenly found himself with the responsibility of being an MP!
Vote for Hope, imagine if this guy suddenly found himself with the responsibility of being an MP! OSPREYSAINT

5:26pm Fri 22 Feb 13

kingnotail says...

southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste.
"quote"

Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35
NEWS RELEASE
Immediate Release
22nd February 2013
With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC).

While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat.

Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option.

The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes:

• United resistance to all cuts
• Defence of jobs and services
• Save the NHS
• Renationalise the railways

“It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place."

*unquote
So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release?

And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.
Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing.
Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing.
There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask.
So who is more open
RMT's backing of Darren Procter represents: "...another step in the RMT’s drive to build a vehicle for working class political representation, with the union now officially represented on the TUSC national Steering Committee by Bob Crow". And John Reid, the TUSC's candidate in the Gospel Oak by-election, is secretary of the London Transport Regional Council of the RMT.

Now stop it.
Get up todate will you, Bob Crow is not on the steering commitee, he was there in the early days, but step down some time ago, also the RMT are not the only union members to be taking part in the TUSC, there are Unite, Unison, FBU, PSC, GMB, and many other Union members, there also SP, SWP, and a high number of other political minded groups and people.
Thats why its Unionist and not Union or Unions, and its Coalition and not party, Its a broad spectrum of people and different ways of thinking, maybe thats why the TUSC can get it right where the others would fail, we are not looking at the problems at one view but many views so we would see a beter course of action that are better suired to the majoriity of people and never the few.
Just like Labour Party was before Neil Kinnock took leadership, and removed all those with oposing different view.
You mean before Kinnock put the Labour party back on the road to electoral success? Your politics are at least 30 years out of date.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste. "quote" Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35 NEWS RELEASE Immediate Release 22nd February 2013 With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC). While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat. Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option. The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes: • United resistance to all cuts • Defence of jobs and services • Save the NHS • Renationalise the railways “It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place." *unquote[/p][/quote]So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release? And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.[/p][/quote]Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing. Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing. There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask. So who is more open[/p][/quote]RMT's backing of Darren Procter represents: "...another step in the RMT’s drive to build a vehicle for working class political representation, with the union now officially represented on the TUSC national Steering Committee by Bob Crow". And John Reid, the TUSC's candidate in the Gospel Oak by-election, is secretary of the London Transport Regional Council of the RMT. Now stop it.[/p][/quote]Get up todate will you, Bob Crow is not on the steering commitee, he was there in the early days, but step down some time ago, also the RMT are not the only union members to be taking part in the TUSC, there are Unite, Unison, FBU, PSC, GMB, and many other Union members, there also SP, SWP, and a high number of other political minded groups and people. Thats why its Unionist and not Union or Unions, and its Coalition and not party, Its a broad spectrum of people and different ways of thinking, maybe thats why the TUSC can get it right where the others would fail, we are not looking at the problems at one view but many views so we would see a beter course of action that are better suired to the majoriity of people and never the few. Just like Labour Party was before Neil Kinnock took leadership, and removed all those with oposing different view.[/p][/quote]You mean before Kinnock put the Labour party back on the road to electoral success? Your politics are at least 30 years out of date. kingnotail

5:40pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J Let me point some out to you, just to win sole control of Southampton council you will need 23 ward seats won and that will give you a majority of 1, UKIP, Greens, BNP, and the first party would never be able to do that, there membership is to small, they have nothing to back up a ward the following year should they ever win a ward, this is where the TUSC is different they can, standing in 13 wards is only 1/3 of the TUSC, so any that do win a seat the following year we can have some new to contest that ward.
now can you see the short fall off other minor partys.
Ok, that's the strategy. All you've got to sort out now are the policies that people will vote for. You might start by not being so obviously the political wing of union bureacracy.

Again, how many members does TUSC have?
There are more Socialist Party members than there is Union members, the TUSC though out the country is made up from some thing like 64 different types of political groups, plus Union members from all unions, Well every member to the Socialist Party is a member to the TUSC, about 60% of the Socialist Workers party is a member. We have Indenpence Labour as members, do I need to go on
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J Let me point some out to you, just to win sole control of Southampton council you will need 23 ward seats won and that will give you a majority of 1, UKIP, Greens, BNP, and the first party would never be able to do that, there membership is to small, they have nothing to back up a ward the following year should they ever win a ward, this is where the TUSC is different they can, standing in 13 wards is only 1/3 of the TUSC, so any that do win a seat the following year we can have some new to contest that ward. now can you see the short fall off other minor partys.[/p][/quote]Ok, that's the strategy. All you've got to sort out now are the policies that people will vote for. You might start by not being so obviously the political wing of union bureacracy. Again, how many members does TUSC have?[/p][/quote]There are more Socialist Party members than there is Union members, the TUSC though out the country is made up from some thing like 64 different types of political groups, plus Union members from all unions, Well every member to the Socialist Party is a member to the TUSC, about 60% of the Socialist Workers party is a member. We have Indenpence Labour as members, do I need to go on southy

5:43pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

kingnotail wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste.
"quote"

Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35
NEWS RELEASE
Immediate Release
22nd February 2013
With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC).

While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat.

Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option.

The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes:

• United resistance to all cuts
• Defence of jobs and services
• Save the NHS
• Renationalise the railways

“It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place."

*unquote
So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release?

And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.
Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing.
Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing.
There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask.
So who is more open
RMT's backing of Darren Procter represents: "...another step in the RMT’s drive to build a vehicle for working class political representation, with the union now officially represented on the TUSC national Steering Committee by Bob Crow". And John Reid, the TUSC's candidate in the Gospel Oak by-election, is secretary of the London Transport Regional Council of the RMT.

Now stop it.
Get up todate will you, Bob Crow is not on the steering commitee, he was there in the early days, but step down some time ago, also the RMT are not the only union members to be taking part in the TUSC, there are Unite, Unison, FBU, PSC, GMB, and many other Union members, there also SP, SWP, and a high number of other political minded groups and people.
Thats why its Unionist and not Union or Unions, and its Coalition and not party, Its a broad spectrum of people and different ways of thinking, maybe thats why the TUSC can get it right where the others would fail, we are not looking at the problems at one view but many views so we would see a beter course of action that are better suired to the majoriity of people and never the few.
Just like Labour Party was before Neil Kinnock took leadership, and removed all those with oposing different view.
You mean before Kinnock put the Labour party back on the road to electoral success? Your politics are at least 30 years out of date.
Kinnock sold it out to the people with money and big corporations, but then i am not surprise he did atend to the same world meeting as Thatcher did.
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J It seems that I not the only one that as notice. Copy and paste. "quote" Mick Stubbs 22 February 11:35 NEWS RELEASE Immediate Release 22nd February 2013 With less than a week to go in the Eastleigh by-election, promoted by the resignation of ConDem criminal Chris Huhne, transport union RMT today blasted a deliberate media blackout of working class candidate Darren Procter, a member of the union’s executive and the candidate of the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC). While the press have been busy boosting the egos and profile of the establishment candidates – a Lib-Dem grandee and council boss, a Palinesque pro-privatisation Tory and a Labour media luvvie - Daz Procter, a ship worker who lives in the real world of cuts to services and attacks on living conditions, has been carefully ignored by the circus that has descended on the Eastleigh seat. Despite the organised blackout, Darren and his supporters have been taking the message direct to the people with teams of leafleters hitting the housing estates and workplaces and with a series of public meetings and events driving the message home that there is an alternative to the failed and bankrupt policies of the political elite which are being presented yet again by the media as the only electoral option. The TUSC programme that Daz is standing for includes: • United resistance to all cuts • Defence of jobs and services • Save the NHS • Renationalise the railways “It’s scandalous that yet again the press are only interested in the same old tired party hacks from the same old failed political parties that created the current financial mess and whose culture of self-serving led to this by-election being called in the first place." *unquote[/p][/quote]So, Bob Crow, RMT General Secretary and leading light in TUSC asks his Southampton Shipping Branch Chairman, Mike Stubbs, to issue a pro-TUSC press release? And you try to make that out as someone just noticing the lack of media coverage for TUSC. Come off it. But at least it’s more professional to everything TUSC have issued so far.[/p][/quote]Freefinker. Bob Crow is not a leading light in the TUSC he not even a member, and if you was to talk to him your find that he is a middle of the road type person, He just believes that all people should have some form of representing. Stubbs is an RMT man thats for sure, but he not the only one saying the same thing, PUSC, FBU, PSC and others, its even being said in the Unite and Unison by its members, but the biggest surprise came from the WI very long winded statement for them saying the same thing. There is a media avoidence on the TUSC. Now I know the Echo as been offered an interview with the TUSC, with no time limit and no restriction on questions unlike all other partys, have put restrictions on how long, how many questions and what type of questions to be ask. So who is more open[/p][/quote]RMT's backing of Darren Procter represents: "...another step in the RMT’s drive to build a vehicle for working class political representation, with the union now officially represented on the TUSC national Steering Committee by Bob Crow". And John Reid, the TUSC's candidate in the Gospel Oak by-election, is secretary of the London Transport Regional Council of the RMT. Now stop it.[/p][/quote]Get up todate will you, Bob Crow is not on the steering commitee, he was there in the early days, but step down some time ago, also the RMT are not the only union members to be taking part in the TUSC, there are Unite, Unison, FBU, PSC, GMB, and many other Union members, there also SP, SWP, and a high number of other political minded groups and people. Thats why its Unionist and not Union or Unions, and its Coalition and not party, Its a broad spectrum of people and different ways of thinking, maybe thats why the TUSC can get it right where the others would fail, we are not looking at the problems at one view but many views so we would see a beter course of action that are better suired to the majoriity of people and never the few. Just like Labour Party was before Neil Kinnock took leadership, and removed all those with oposing different view.[/p][/quote]You mean before Kinnock put the Labour party back on the road to electoral success? Your politics are at least 30 years out of date.[/p][/quote]Kinnock sold it out to the people with money and big corporations, but then i am not surprise he did atend to the same world meeting as Thatcher did. southy

5:49pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

.. I think you will find that it was not Kinnock but the Labour Party itself that DEMOCRATICALLY kicked out the entryist Militant Tendency Trotskyists.
.. I think you will find that it was not Kinnock but the Labour Party itself that DEMOCRATICALLY kicked out the entryist Militant Tendency Trotskyists. freefinker

6:01pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J Let me point some out to you, just to win sole control of Southampton council you will need 23 ward seats won and that will give you a majority of 1, UKIP, Greens, BNP, and the first party would never be able to do that, there membership is to small, they have nothing to back up a ward the following year should they ever win a ward, this is where the TUSC is different they can, standing in 13 wards is only 1/3 of the TUSC, so any that do win a seat the following year we can have some new to contest that ward.
now can you see the short fall off other minor partys.
.. is that why 8 of your 13 candidates stood in both 2011 and 2012. Doesn't seem to me you actually do have enough members to cover all 16 wards for all 3 years of the election cycle.

And, of course, you know very, very little of the membership position and ability to field candidates of the other parties you mention; i.e. the nationally electorally more successful UKIP, Green Party and the BNP.
We don't have enough members to cover 16 wards over 3 years, but we do have enough members to cover 13 wards over 3 years.
There are enough just in the Southampton Branch of the Socialist Party to be able to do that, but we want a mix and not just one way thinking group.
And we do know the membership position to be able to field candidates in other partys, what do you think we do when waiting for the results of the polls to turn up to be counted, we all talk to one another, thats how we know that the Greens BNP UKIP Frist have max out, they could not field any more even if one got elected.
And thats why the big 3 have targgeted the TUSC the most, because the TUSC is a real threat, they know out of all the minor partys the TUSC is the fastest growing one, and thats because the Socialist Party it self is the fastest growing political party in the UK, plus the Union numbers are growing with in the TUSC.
One thing the TUSC as never done like all the other minor partys has, and thats put all its eggs in one basket,
meaning fielding all its members.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Stephen J Let me point some out to you, just to win sole control of Southampton council you will need 23 ward seats won and that will give you a majority of 1, UKIP, Greens, BNP, and the first party would never be able to do that, there membership is to small, they have nothing to back up a ward the following year should they ever win a ward, this is where the TUSC is different they can, standing in 13 wards is only 1/3 of the TUSC, so any that do win a seat the following year we can have some new to contest that ward. now can you see the short fall off other minor partys.[/p][/quote].. is that why 8 of your 13 candidates stood in both 2011 and 2012. Doesn't seem to me you actually do have enough members to cover all 16 wards for all 3 years of the election cycle. And, of course, you know very, very little of the membership position and ability to field candidates of the other parties you mention; i.e. the nationally electorally more successful UKIP, Green Party and the BNP.[/p][/quote]We don't have enough members to cover 16 wards over 3 years, but we do have enough members to cover 13 wards over 3 years. There are enough just in the Southampton Branch of the Socialist Party to be able to do that, but we want a mix and not just one way thinking group. And we do know the membership position to be able to field candidates in other partys, what do you think we do when waiting for the results of the polls to turn up to be counted, we all talk to one another, thats how we know that the Greens BNP UKIP Frist have max out, they could not field any more even if one got elected. And thats why the big 3 have targgeted the TUSC the most, because the TUSC is a real threat, they know out of all the minor partys the TUSC is the fastest growing one, and thats because the Socialist Party it self is the fastest growing political party in the UK, plus the Union numbers are growing with in the TUSC. One thing the TUSC as never done like all the other minor partys has, and thats put all its eggs in one basket, meaning fielding all its members. southy

6:06pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
.. I think you will find that it was not Kinnock but the Labour Party itself that DEMOCRATICALLY kicked out the entryist Militant Tendency Trotskyists.
It was not the party as a whole, it was the Right Wing Labour that had them removed, and when that happened Labour lost connection to the streets, it was the ones he kick out that done all the stalls, talk to the ordinary people on the streets to find out what was on there minds, Kinnock had the whole Left removed from the party, leaving just right wing, even today any Labour member that show left wing ideals are kick out or push out of Labour, we have now seen that here in Southampton with Keith and Don, removed because they would work for the majority and not the few.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. I think you will find that it was not Kinnock but the Labour Party itself that DEMOCRATICALLY kicked out the entryist Militant Tendency Trotskyists.[/p][/quote]It was not the party as a whole, it was the Right Wing Labour that had them removed, and when that happened Labour lost connection to the streets, it was the ones he kick out that done all the stalls, talk to the ordinary people on the streets to find out what was on there minds, Kinnock had the whole Left removed from the party, leaving just right wing, even today any Labour member that show left wing ideals are kick out or push out of Labour, we have now seen that here in Southampton with Keith and Don, removed because they would work for the majority and not the few. southy

6:11pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

Stephen J what do you think about the Camden town by-election in March.
this one should be more interesting
Stephen J what do you think about the Camden town by-election in March. this one should be more interesting southy

6:14pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
.. I think you will find that it was not Kinnock but the Labour Party itself that DEMOCRATICALLY kicked out the entryist Militant Tendency Trotskyists.
It was not the party as a whole, it was the Right Wing Labour that had them removed, and when that happened Labour lost connection to the streets, it was the ones he kick out that done all the stalls, talk to the ordinary people on the streets to find out what was on there minds, Kinnock had the whole Left removed from the party, leaving just right wing, even today any Labour member that show left wing ideals are kick out or push out of Labour, we have now seen that here in Southampton with Keith and Don, removed because they would work for the majority and not the few.
.. what is it you don't understand by the word 'democratically'?

Sorry I forgot. Of course it means something completely different in far-left politics. All those 'Democratic Republics' of the Soviet era, the blatant ballot rigging to gain control of the Electrical Trades Union in the 1960's. Why yes, if 'the party' says it's democratic then by definition it must be.

How silly of the Labour Party not to realise that.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. I think you will find that it was not Kinnock but the Labour Party itself that DEMOCRATICALLY kicked out the entryist Militant Tendency Trotskyists.[/p][/quote]It was not the party as a whole, it was the Right Wing Labour that had them removed, and when that happened Labour lost connection to the streets, it was the ones he kick out that done all the stalls, talk to the ordinary people on the streets to find out what was on there minds, Kinnock had the whole Left removed from the party, leaving just right wing, even today any Labour member that show left wing ideals are kick out or push out of Labour, we have now seen that here in Southampton with Keith and Don, removed because they would work for the majority and not the few.[/p][/quote].. what is it you don't understand by the word 'democratically'? Sorry I forgot. Of course it means something completely different in far-left politics. All those 'Democratic Republics' of the Soviet era, the blatant ballot rigging to gain control of the Electrical Trades Union in the 1960's. Why yes, if 'the party' says it's democratic then by definition it must be. How silly of the Labour Party not to realise that. freefinker

6:32pm Fri 22 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
.. I think you will find that it was not Kinnock but the Labour Party itself that DEMOCRATICALLY kicked out the entryist Militant Tendency Trotskyists.
It was not the party as a whole, it was the Right Wing Labour that had them removed, and when that happened Labour lost connection to the streets, it was the ones he kick out that done all the stalls, talk to the ordinary people on the streets to find out what was on there minds, Kinnock had the whole Left removed from the party, leaving just right wing, even today any Labour member that show left wing ideals are kick out or push out of Labour, we have now seen that here in Southampton with Keith and Don, removed because they would work for the majority and not the few.
.. what is it you don't understand by the word 'democratically'?

Sorry I forgot. Of course it means something completely different in far-left politics. All those 'Democratic Republics' of the Soviet era, the blatant ballot rigging to gain control of the Electrical Trades Union in the 1960's. Why yes, if 'the party' says it's democratic then by definition it must be.

How silly of the Labour Party not to realise that.
It was not democratic at all, there was no vote over the matter with in the Labour Party, the Party Whip was used.
As there was no vote over the matter with Don and Keith, the Party whip was use.
Zero Democratic took place, it was on the say so of the Labour shadow Cabinet that Kinnock selected and used the Whip to have them removed or push out.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. I think you will find that it was not Kinnock but the Labour Party itself that DEMOCRATICALLY kicked out the entryist Militant Tendency Trotskyists.[/p][/quote]It was not the party as a whole, it was the Right Wing Labour that had them removed, and when that happened Labour lost connection to the streets, it was the ones he kick out that done all the stalls, talk to the ordinary people on the streets to find out what was on there minds, Kinnock had the whole Left removed from the party, leaving just right wing, even today any Labour member that show left wing ideals are kick out or push out of Labour, we have now seen that here in Southampton with Keith and Don, removed because they would work for the majority and not the few.[/p][/quote].. what is it you don't understand by the word 'democratically'? Sorry I forgot. Of course it means something completely different in far-left politics. All those 'Democratic Republics' of the Soviet era, the blatant ballot rigging to gain control of the Electrical Trades Union in the 1960's. Why yes, if 'the party' says it's democratic then by definition it must be. How silly of the Labour Party not to realise that.[/p][/quote]It was not democratic at all, there was no vote over the matter with in the Labour Party, the Party Whip was used. As there was no vote over the matter with Don and Keith, the Party whip was use. Zero Democratic took place, it was on the say so of the Labour shadow Cabinet that Kinnock selected and used the Whip to have them removed or push out. southy

7:43pm Fri 22 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
.. I think you will find that it was not Kinnock but the Labour Party itself that DEMOCRATICALLY kicked out the entryist Militant Tendency Trotskyists.
It was not the party as a whole, it was the Right Wing Labour that had them removed, and when that happened Labour lost connection to the streets, it was the ones he kick out that done all the stalls, talk to the ordinary people on the streets to find out what was on there minds, Kinnock had the whole Left removed from the party, leaving just right wing, even today any Labour member that show left wing ideals are kick out or push out of Labour, we have now seen that here in Southampton with Keith and Don, removed because they would work for the majority and not the few.
.. what is it you don't understand by the word 'democratically'?

Sorry I forgot. Of course it means something completely different in far-left politics. All those 'Democratic Republics' of the Soviet era, the blatant ballot rigging to gain control of the Electrical Trades Union in the 1960's. Why yes, if 'the party' says it's democratic then by definition it must be.

How silly of the Labour Party not to realise that.
It was not democratic at all, there was no vote over the matter with in the Labour Party, the Party Whip was used.
As there was no vote over the matter with Don and Keith, the Party whip was use.
Zero Democratic took place, it was on the say so of the Labour shadow Cabinet that Kinnock selected and used the Whip to have them removed or push out.
.. no. The move to expel Militant Tendency was led by the National Executive Committee. Representatives on this committee are ELECTED from affiliated trade unions, the Parliamentary Labour Party and European Parliamentary Labour Party, Constituency Labour Parties, and socialist societies, as well as ex officio members such as the Party Leader and Deputy Leader and several of their appointees.

I think you will find that IS democracy in action. Much more so than Trotskyist entryists attempting to alter the fundamental raison d'etre of the Party. But democracy prevailed and those who did not share the aims and objectives of the Labour Party were rightly kicked out. Having been so rejected the rump, now called the Socialist Party (England and Wales), has had no electoral success and only a tiny number of lunatic fringe supporters.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. I think you will find that it was not Kinnock but the Labour Party itself that DEMOCRATICALLY kicked out the entryist Militant Tendency Trotskyists.[/p][/quote]It was not the party as a whole, it was the Right Wing Labour that had them removed, and when that happened Labour lost connection to the streets, it was the ones he kick out that done all the stalls, talk to the ordinary people on the streets to find out what was on there minds, Kinnock had the whole Left removed from the party, leaving just right wing, even today any Labour member that show left wing ideals are kick out or push out of Labour, we have now seen that here in Southampton with Keith and Don, removed because they would work for the majority and not the few.[/p][/quote].. what is it you don't understand by the word 'democratically'? Sorry I forgot. Of course it means something completely different in far-left politics. All those 'Democratic Republics' of the Soviet era, the blatant ballot rigging to gain control of the Electrical Trades Union in the 1960's. Why yes, if 'the party' says it's democratic then by definition it must be. How silly of the Labour Party not to realise that.[/p][/quote]It was not democratic at all, there was no vote over the matter with in the Labour Party, the Party Whip was used. As there was no vote over the matter with Don and Keith, the Party whip was use. Zero Democratic took place, it was on the say so of the Labour shadow Cabinet that Kinnock selected and used the Whip to have them removed or push out.[/p][/quote].. no. The move to expel Militant Tendency was led by the National Executive Committee. Representatives on this committee are ELECTED from affiliated trade unions, the Parliamentary Labour Party and European Parliamentary Labour Party, Constituency Labour Parties, and socialist societies, as well as ex officio members such as the Party Leader and Deputy Leader and several of their appointees. I think you will find that IS democracy in action. Much more so than Trotskyist entryists attempting to alter the fundamental raison d'etre of the Party. But democracy prevailed and those who did not share the aims and objectives of the Labour Party were rightly kicked out. Having been so rejected the rump, now called the Socialist Party (England and Wales), has had no electoral success and only a tiny number of lunatic fringe supporters. freefinker

7:47pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?
The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes.
The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%.
The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1%
All quote there are the from SCC electrol office.
And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards.
It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out.

, the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC.
Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor
Sadly the figures are freely available on the SCC website and as usual you have misinterpreted them. Shall we look at May 2010 where three UKIP candidates collected 1083 votes which is less than the 1824 that the THIRTEEN Tusc candidates attracted in 2011. In 2011 the BNP only fielded a candidate in Harefield where he humiliated the Tusc hopeful by 196 to 117.......so much for a surge from the left. Fast forward to 2012 where the Tusc 'thirteen' saw a collapse of their share of the vote and gathered a total of only 1227, somewhat less than the 1824 votes from 2010. In the same election Tusc stood against UKIP in five seats and the results were 77/57/75/52/76 to Tusc but 210/295/305/235/345 to UKIP.I know you like to put a positive spin on things but your party has sunk without trace as did Militant Tendency before it. Have a nice week-end.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.[/p][/quote]You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?[/p][/quote]The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes. The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%. The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1% All quote there are the from SCC electrol office. And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards. It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out. , the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC. Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor[/p][/quote]Sadly the figures are freely available on the SCC website and as usual you have misinterpreted them. Shall we look at May 2010 where three UKIP candidates collected 1083 votes which is less than the 1824 that the THIRTEEN Tusc candidates attracted in 2011. In 2011 the BNP only fielded a candidate in Harefield where he humiliated the Tusc hopeful by 196 to 117.......so much for a surge from the left. Fast forward to 2012 where the Tusc 'thirteen' saw a collapse of their share of the vote and gathered a total of only 1227, somewhat less than the 1824 votes from 2010. In the same election Tusc stood against UKIP in five seats and the results were 77/57/75/52/76 to Tusc but 210/295/305/235/345 to UKIP.I know you like to put a positive spin on things but your party has sunk without trace as did Militant Tendency before it. Have a nice week-end. Torchie1

7:55pm Fri 22 Feb 13

George4th says...

Linesman wrote:
George4th wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown.

You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them.

So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.
"You must have a strange concept of achievement, "

I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work.............

I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life...........
I have no doubt that there are many mothers who have brought up 4, and even more, children, possibly with a disability, but would that make them the best candidate that the Tories could find?

With the current plans by Ian Duncan Smith, there are disabled people who will be penalised with the proposed 'bedroom tax', because they are unable to share a bedroom with their spouse.

That is the caring party that Maria Hutchings is representing.
"I have no doubt that there are many mothers who have brought up 4, and even more, children, possibly with a disability"

Might sound better if you actually knew?! Maybe see how tough it is?

>
Best check your facts re IDS and disability! Too many people have gone off half cocked and spread the wrong facts!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]You must have a strange concept of achievement, in that case. However, I think your assessment is based upon the rank and status that these people have achieved, which is not the same as achieving anything. In fact, there are many unsung and ordinary people who have achieved more than any of these politicians, yet are totally unknown. You fail to take into consideration that people who become politicians cause a lot of damage because they are responsible for raising people's hopes and then dashing them. They do this ad nauseum, yet are still expecting people to vote for them. So sad to see that you, among others have been so duped by politicians. You would be better off finding decent people and eulogising them. Eulogising politicians is a waste of time and I think you will find that people will find a flaw in what you are saying.[/p][/quote]"You must have a strange concept of achievement, " I believe bringing up 4 children, one of whom is disabled, is an excellent achievement. The same person is also involved in Charity work............. I would say that gives you a very good perspective on life...........[/p][/quote]I have no doubt that there are many mothers who have brought up 4, and even more, children, possibly with a disability, but would that make them the best candidate that the Tories could find? With the current plans by Ian Duncan Smith, there are disabled people who will be penalised with the proposed 'bedroom tax', because they are unable to share a bedroom with their spouse. That is the caring party that Maria Hutchings is representing.[/p][/quote]"I have no doubt that there are many mothers who have brought up 4, and even more, children, possibly with a disability" Might sound better if you actually knew?! Maybe see how tough it is? > Best check your facts re IDS and disability! Too many people have gone off half cocked and spread the wrong facts! George4th

9:16pm Fri 22 Feb 13

WOOLSTONCHAP says...

It will not matter which party you vote for they are only there for themselves, they only want what they can get and they don't care how they get it, they will lie,steal,cheat, anyway they can as long as they get what they want, trust none of them, only one things for sure they are not there for us !!!!!!!.
It will not matter which party you vote for they are only there for themselves, they only want what they can get and they don't care how they get it, they will lie,steal,cheat, anyway they can as long as they get what they want, trust none of them, only one things for sure they are not there for us !!!!!!!. WOOLSTONCHAP

3:27am Sat 23 Feb 13

stay local says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
AdrianSmith wrote:
George4th wrote:
I'm not impressed by Ian Murray!
>
If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point!
>
Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do!
I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally.

One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.
He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished
Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC.
Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.
"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.
I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate.
But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy.
And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP.
So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.
I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.
check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.
You really believe that, don't you?
Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats.
How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.
You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?
The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes.
The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%.
The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1%
All quote there are the from SCC electrol office.
And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards.
It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out.

, the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC.
Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor
Sadly the figures are freely available on the SCC website and as usual you have misinterpreted them. Shall we look at May 2010 where three UKIP candidates collected 1083 votes which is less than the 1824 that the THIRTEEN Tusc candidates attracted in 2011. In 2011 the BNP only fielded a candidate in Harefield where he humiliated the Tusc hopeful by 196 to 117.......so much for a surge from the left. Fast forward to 2012 where the Tusc 'thirteen' saw a collapse of their share of the vote and gathered a total of only 1227, somewhat less than the 1824 votes from 2010. In the same election Tusc stood against UKIP in five seats and the results were 77/57/75/52/76 to Tusc but 210/295/305/235/345 to UKIP.I know you like to put a positive spin on things but your party has sunk without trace as did Militant Tendency before it. Have a nice week-end.
Do you know nothing? secretly he TUSC won the election, Southy has explained it to me. Al those people who did not vote or could note vote because they had not registered, were too young, or were affected by the wobble of the earth were secretly TUSC supporters, they are all 100% against any coalition because there is a Tory liberal one in power and that is completely different from the rag tag coalition of some 60 disparate socialist groups. Ukip votes are not for the Toy coalition so they are secretly votes for the TUSC and votes not for UKIP are also votes secretly for the TUSC. So as you must now realise the TUSC is not a laughing stock but a honing political force able to clear unemployment in a single swipe, reduce peoples salaries to a reasonable level, increase benefits so none of us have to work beyond 55, we won't need to run our own business as we will all have employment from the state, just imagine that utopian dream.

The only flies in the ointment apart from their spokesman Southy doing more single handedly to reduce the TUSC vote,are how will they reduce the salaries of RMT members when their union convener is the mp.

In the real world Southy would do better to ponder upon what he could have spent the deposit money on rather than loose it when their candidate fails to get enough votes to keep it.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: I'm not impressed by Ian Murray! > If Ian Murray thinks he has achieved as much as each of these candidates then he would possibly have a point! > Personally, I'm fed up with the media stirring up things just because they haven't got anything else to do![/p][/quote]I'd love to hear what you think any of these candidates have achieved professionally. One of them wrote some jokes for HIGNFY. That's about it.[/p][/quote]He's upset because his Tory sweetheart was rubbished[/p][/quote]Have you notice that the Echo avoid printing about the TUSC, read the full artical talks about all the rest but nothing on the TUSC. Could it be they fear us and what happen in Greece where the true left wing party (and not these right wing partys that call them self left just get the votes) spent years in the shadows only getting a few votes, suddenly in the last general election went from near the bottom to 2nd place and now are in the position to win the next general election.[/p][/quote]"Only" the TUSC? Read it again and compare it with the full list of candidates.[/p][/quote]I have for the third time no mention of the TUSC not even a picture of the TUSC candidate. But then I am not surprise, Echo being a Right Wing paper and supports only those with 100% right wing economic and political policy. And from the onset the Echo have shown favour to UKIP. So far from the Echo the TUSC has had 1 line printed, and that was 3 days after the TUSC declaired there candidate, saying that they have.[/p][/quote]I know there's no mention of the TUSC. My point is that there's no mention of many of the other smaller parties either. Stop being so paranoid.[/p][/quote]check again doctors, beer and baccy, a picture of other candidates. And yet the TUSC are the same level as UKIP in the political scale and come may if we can do what is needed to be done, the TUSC will lead the way.[/p][/quote]You really believe that, don't you?[/p][/quote]Believe what, that we are the same level as UKIP in the political scale, Yes We are, our membership is larger, we are able to cover more seats, just that at the moment we pick most off all on where the partys have safe seats. How many wards can UKIP cover in Southampton, or how many wards in Hampshire, they can't even cover half the wards that we can, so UKIP picks on the easy soft targets.[/p][/quote]You appear to be bigger and better than all of the parties but the slight issue of attracting votes still seems to elude you. Can you refresh my memory about the number of Tusc voters that the last two SCC elections attracted or would you like me to publish them so that everyone can see you are going backwards to 'victory' ?[/p][/quote]The difference is we pick on partys strong holds, where your likely to get the lest amount of votes. The TUSC in Southampton increase there vote by 2.1%. The Torys, Lib/dems, Greens and the Independant all went into the -% with the Torys having the biggest -11.5%, at the other end of the scale Labour had the bigest with +17.4 increase with the TUSC following them at 2.1% All quote there are the from SCC electrol office. And thats going back wards no its not it improving with a turn out that was lower in a lot of the wards. It shows that we are increasing our votes to the % of the turn out. , the lowest turn out happened here in Redbridge ward, but there was an increase in the vote for the TUSC. Nationally Labour went after the real left wing groups where every they was standing (which is showing we are a real big threat to them) and not the Torys, Labour spent more money going after Dave N than any where else in the country, which is going to prove a waste of money, as people there all ready want Dave back as there councillor[/p][/quote]Sadly the figures are freely available on the SCC website and as usual you have misinterpreted them. Shall we look at May 2010 where three UKIP candidates collected 1083 votes which is less than the 1824 that the THIRTEEN Tusc candidates attracted in 2011. In 2011 the BNP only fielded a candidate in Harefield where he humiliated the Tusc hopeful by 196 to 117.......so much for a surge from the left. Fast forward to 2012 where the Tusc 'thirteen' saw a collapse of their share of the vote and gathered a total of only 1227, somewhat less than the 1824 votes from 2010. In the same election Tusc stood against UKIP in five seats and the results were 77/57/75/52/76 to Tusc but 210/295/305/235/345 to UKIP.I know you like to put a positive spin on things but your party has sunk without trace as did Militant Tendency before it. Have a nice week-end.[/p][/quote]Do you know nothing? secretly he TUSC won the election, Southy has explained it to me. Al those people who did not vote or could note vote because they had not registered, were too young, or were affected by the wobble of the earth were secretly TUSC supporters, they are all 100% against any coalition because there is a Tory liberal one in power and that is completely different from the rag tag coalition of some 60 disparate socialist groups. Ukip votes are not for the Toy coalition so they are secretly votes for the TUSC and votes not for UKIP are also votes secretly for the TUSC. So as you must now realise the TUSC is not a laughing stock but a honing political force able to clear unemployment in a single swipe, reduce peoples salaries to a reasonable level, increase benefits so none of us have to work beyond 55, we won't need to run our own business as we will all have employment from the state, just imagine that utopian dream. The only flies in the ointment apart from their spokesman Southy doing more single handedly to reduce the TUSC vote,are how will they reduce the salaries of RMT members when their union convener is the mp. In the real world Southy would do better to ponder upon what he could have spent the deposit money on rather than loose it when their candidate fails to get enough votes to keep it. stay local

9:00am Sat 23 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

A senior member of the UK Independence Party has said she is leaving the party to join the Conservatives.

Marta Andreasen, a South East region MEP, sent her resignation letter to UKIP leader Nigel Farage on Friday.

There you go, A Vote for UKIP may get them elected, but as soon as they are in they will go running to the Tories.

Vote Hope, the only honest idiot in the pack. The rest are hopeless.
A senior member of the UK Independence Party has said she is leaving the party to join the Conservatives. Marta Andreasen, a South East region MEP, sent her resignation letter to UKIP leader Nigel Farage on Friday. There you go, A Vote for UKIP may get them elected, but as soon as they are in they will go running to the Tories. Vote Hope, the only honest idiot in the pack. The rest are hopeless. OSPREYSAINT

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