Eastleigh by-election fall-out: no changing course says PM (From Daily Echo)

That's what he says today.

Be prepared for 'a lurch to the right' tomorrow.

His only consistency is his inconsistency.

I want a lurch to the right. we should have never allowed the Liberals into Government no matter who gained power.
they were the third party not elected to govern yet we have to put up with this pro EU party telling us what to do?
The only way Cameron can win back those voters is to start to govern as a Tory Government & not as a lackey of the Liberals.
I'm not a die hard church goer but I thought a marriage was about a man & woman committing them selves to be together?
What the Gay community had was as legally binding as a marriage so why did we use valuable parliamentary time changing the title from civil partnership to Marriage ?
I have many gay friends but just didn't see why this was so imperative?

Same old Tory ethic, this By-election sent a message, failure to heed it will see a steady turn down of Tory support, the Thatcher "Lady is not for turning" is not the right way to go this time. Listen, learn, react positively or the population will turn against you, not much danger yet, as there isn't a liable opposition, but it will happen if the people that need support don't get what they need.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Same old Tory ethic, this By-election sent a message, failure to heed it will see a steady turn down of Tory support, the Thatcher "Lady is not for turning" is not the right way to go this time. Listen, learn, react positively or the population will turn against you, not much danger yet, as there isn't a liable opposition, but it will happen if the people that need support don't get what they need.

"as there isn't a liable (viable??) opposition"

Whether or not there is a viable opposition, the fact of the matter is that there is not a viable government with a viable Prime Minister to lead it.

loosehead wrote:
I want a lurch to the right. we should have never allowed the Liberals into Government no matter who gained power.
they were the third party not elected to govern yet we have to put up with this pro EU party telling us what to do?
The only way Cameron can win back those voters is to start to govern as a Tory Government & not as a lackey of the Liberals.
I'm not a die hard church goer but I thought a marriage was about a man & woman committing them selves to be together?
What the Gay community had was as legally binding as a marriage so why did we use valuable parliamentary time changing the title from civil partnership to Marriage ?
I have many gay friends but just didn't see why this was so imperative?

You say the Liberals were not elected to govern? True, but neither were the Conservatives.

Sorting out the economy was the priority at the time of the election and required some difficult and unpopular decisions, for which a strong government was essential. Allowing the Tories to go it alone as a minority government would have been a disaster, with the potential for every difficult decision to be held up and mired in argument. So, what other option existed? Obviously a Labour/Conservative coalition was out of the question. A Labour/Lib Dem coalition would rightly have been seen as a coalition of the losers.

What we have today is the most suitable outcome available at the time under our electoral system. It's far from ideal as both parties have to make serious compromises; it's not just the Tories who might feel they are sometimes the lackeys of their coalition partners, or have you forgotten what the tuition fees issue did for the Lib Dems? The bottom line is that Cameron cannot 'start to govern as a Tory government' because he doesn't have a mandate for that.

I also find it interesting that out of the many issues that exist to illustrate your point you chose gay marriage. It could be argued this says a lot more about you than you intended.

The Eastleigh by election should be a massive wake up call for the Tories, coming third in a so called two horse race was nothing short of embarrassment.

The influx of Eastern Europeans into our town's and cities is what people seem sick to the back teeth of, which for me is the reason why the UKIP vote was so high, despite what Nigel Farage says it was a protest vote.

Sending £50 million a day to Europe whilst inflicting austerity on the nation, is something I find disgusting, apart from the treasury the only other Government department not to receive spending cut was overseas aid, is also quite astonishing, we have enough issues of our own to worry about.

William Hauge whilst appearing on TV saying we are sending more equipment to Syrian rebels is unbelievable, in the same interview he also said he doesn't know how many more economical migrants will be rocking up on our shores next year, which is quite scary really.

The promise of referendum on Europe if the Tories get elected is a bribe, our position in Europe needs sorting out now.

Charity begins at home, lets sort our mess out before we send money to Europe whilst trying to fix the ills of the world.

Outside of the Box wrote:
The Eastleigh by election should be a massive wake up call for the Tories, coming third in a so called two horse race was nothing short of embarrassment. The influx of Eastern Europeans into our town's and cities is what people seem sick to the back teeth of, which for me is the reason why the UKIP vote was so high, despite what Nigel Farage says it was a protest vote. Sending £50 million a day to Europe whilst inflicting austerity on the nation, is something I find disgusting, apart from the treasury the only other Government department not to receive spending cut was overseas aid, is also quite astonishing, we have enough issues of our own to worry about. William Hauge whilst appearing on TV saying we are sending more equipment to Syrian rebels is unbelievable, in the same interview he also said he doesn't know how many more economical migrants will be rocking up on our shores next year, which is quite scary really. The promise of referendum on Europe if the Tories get elected is a bribe, our position in Europe needs sorting out now. Charity begins at home, lets sort our mess out before we send money to Europe whilst trying to fix the ills of the world.

You are bang on the button.

So lets please all vote UKIP in future!

IN NIGEL WE TRUST!!!!!

(Where have I heard that before?)

Absolutely right to carry on undeterred. The aim is to put the finances in good order for future governments - irrespective of party - and not be bothering with popular appearance. It takes years of dedicated slog so its pointless to change halfway through. Those who don’t like will have to wait till its done before a change.

Linesman wrote:
That's what he says today.

Be prepared for 'a lurch to the right' tomorrow.

His only consistency is his inconsistency.

I think that deep down its very much right wing at the moment...Workfare and the Bedroom tax are prime examples.

eastsidemush wrote:

Outside of the Box wrote:
The Eastleigh by election should be a massive wake up call for the Tories, coming third in a so called two horse race was nothing short of embarrassment. The influx of Eastern Europeans into our town's and cities is what people seem sick to the back teeth of, which for me is the reason why the UKIP vote was so high, despite what Nigel Farage says it was a protest vote. Sending £50 million a day to Europe whilst inflicting austerity on the nation, is something I find disgusting, apart from the treasury the only other Government department not to receive spending cut was overseas aid, is also quite astonishing, we have enough issues of our own to worry about. William Hauge whilst appearing on TV saying we are sending more equipment to Syrian rebels is unbelievable, in the same interview he also said he doesn't know how many more economical migrants will be rocking up on our shores next year, which is quite scary really. The promise of referendum on Europe if the Tories get elected is a bribe, our position in Europe needs sorting out now. Charity begins at home, lets sort our mess out before we send money to Europe whilst trying to fix the ills of the world.

You are bang on the button.

So lets please all vote UKIP in future!

IN NIGEL WE TRUST!!!!!

(Where have I heard that before?)

Look at what happened to the other Nigel.

skin2000 wrote:

Linesman wrote:
That's what he says today.

Be prepared for 'a lurch to the right' tomorrow.

His only consistency is his inconsistency.

I think that deep down its very much right wing at the moment...Workfare and the Bedroom tax are prime examples.

March 16th might be an interesting day

skin2000 wrote:

Linesman wrote:
That's what he says today.

Be prepared for 'a lurch to the right' tomorrow.

His only consistency is his inconsistency.

I think that deep down its very much right wing at the moment...Workfare and the Bedroom tax are prime examples.

Not to mention a Tax Break for the rich while hitting pensioners.

Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Slippery Labour/union council caused the strike, backed the strike then blamed the Tories.
Get rid of the unions in this council then we the public win.
Only 1 in 20 voted Labour in Eastleigh, sensible voters.

Linesman wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

Linesman wrote:
That's what he says today.

Be prepared for 'a lurch to the right' tomorrow.

His only consistency is his inconsistency.

I think that deep down its very much right wing at the moment...Workfare and the Bedroom tax are prime examples.

Not to mention a Tax Break for the rich while hitting pensioners.

Yes that's true...it's funny that nobody has been arrested for fixing the Libor Rate......I wonder why?

Linesman wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Same old Tory ethic, this By-election sent a message, failure to heed it will see a steady turn down of Tory support, the Thatcher "Lady is not for turning" is not the right way to go this time. Listen, learn, react positively or the population will turn against you, not much danger yet, as there isn't a liable opposition, but it will happen if the people that need support don't get what they need.

"as there isn't a liable (viable??) opposition"

Whether or not there is a viable opposition, the fact of the matter is that there is not a viable government with a viable Prime Minister to lead it.

I stand corrected yes viable, they are already liable for the previous mess!

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Slippery Labour/union council caused the strike, backed the strike then blamed the Tories.
Get rid of the unions in this council then we the public win.
Only 1 in 20 voted Labour in Eastleigh, sensible voters.

Since the destruction of any form of industry in the Eastleigh area, there are no Labour voters left. How about imposing a bedroom tax on all the posh peoples housing? Do you think they could offer bedroom space to the homeless?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Slippery Labour/union council caused the strike, backed the strike then blamed the Tories.
Get rid of the unions in this council then we the public win.
Only 1 in 20 voted Labour in Eastleigh, sensible voters.

Since the destruction of any form of industry in the Eastleigh area, there are no Labour voters left. How about imposing a bedroom tax on all the posh peoples housing? Do you think they could offer bedroom space to the homeless?

Would be better to interduce more housing band go to A to Z if need be, then insted of blanket same increases, take it up in steps in increases

Stop punishing people for saving. There is no bedroom tax it is another Labour lie.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Stop punishing people for saving. There is no bedroom tax it is another Labour lie.

Its not a Labour lie, Labour only pick up off the streets because thats what people are calling it a Bedroom tax for the poor.

Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

southy wrote:
Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

March 16th people will be on the streets making protest to the bedroom tax, it going on nationally. going to be interesting to see how many are against it, and wait for the 2nd day of protest to see if the number increase or decrease.

loosehead wrote:
I want a lurch to the right. we should have never allowed the Liberals into Government no matter who gained power.
they were the third party not elected to govern yet we have to put up with this pro EU party telling us what to do?
The only way Cameron can win back those voters is to start to govern as a Tory Government & not as a lackey of the Liberals.
I'm not a die hard church goer but I thought a marriage was about a man & woman committing them selves to be together?
What the Gay community had was as legally binding as a marriage so why did we use valuable parliamentary time changing the title from civil partnership to Marriage ?
I have many gay friends but just didn't see why this was so imperative?

Agree with you 100%

NetleyNed wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I want a lurch to the right. we should have never allowed the Liberals into Government no matter who gained power.
they were the third party not elected to govern yet we have to put up with this pro EU party telling us what to do?
The only way Cameron can win back those voters is to start to govern as a Tory Government & not as a lackey of the Liberals.
I'm not a die hard church goer but I thought a marriage was about a man & woman committing them selves to be together?
What the Gay community had was as legally binding as a marriage so why did we use valuable parliamentary time changing the title from civil partnership to Marriage ?
I have many gay friends but just didn't see why this was so imperative?

Agree with you 100%

The Torys are even more pro-EU its big money for them, remember it was the Torys that took us into the EU in the first place with out letting the people vote on it.

Cameron never learns does he Labour and the Lib Dems have the left and centre covered, you have to move to the right and if you do not you are finished and everyone will go to UKIP

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southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

Facewagon wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I want a lurch to the right. we should have never allowed the Liberals into Government no matter who gained power.
they were the third party not elected to govern yet we have to put up with this pro EU party telling us what to do?
The only way Cameron can win back those voters is to start to govern as a Tory Government & not as a lackey of the Liberals.
I'm not a die hard church goer but I thought a marriage was about a man & woman committing them selves to be together?
What the Gay community had was as legally binding as a marriage so why did we use valuable parliamentary time changing the title from civil partnership to Marriage ?
I have many gay friends but just didn't see why this was so imperative?

You say the Liberals were not elected to govern? True, but neither were the Conservatives.

Sorting out the economy was the priority at the time of the election and required some difficult and unpopular decisions, for which a strong government was essential. Allowing the Tories to go it alone as a minority government would have been a disaster, with the potential for every difficult decision to be held up and mired in argument. So, what other option existed? Obviously a Labour/Conservative coalition was out of the question. A Labour/Lib Dem coalition would rightly have been seen as a coalition of the losers.

What we have today is the most suitable outcome available at the time under our electoral system. It's far from ideal as both parties have to make serious compromises; it's not just the Tories who might feel they are sometimes the lackeys of their coalition partners, or have you forgotten what the tuition fees issue did for the Lib Dems? The bottom line is that Cameron cannot 'start to govern as a Tory government' because he doesn't have a mandate for that.

I also find it interesting that out of the many issues that exist to illustrate your point you chose gay marriage. It could be argued this says a lot more about you than you intended.

Sorry but in first past the post the Tories did in fact win he last election.
they had more Mp's than Labour so they beat Labour.
they had far more MP's than the liberals so beat them which made the Tory party the winner which means they were voted in to govern or isn't that what first past the post means?
We could have continued but at this time we need a government that can pass laws & not be stopped at every corner,
I personally would have said okay with out overall control we're calling a new election to have either a Tory or Labour Government that has enough of a majority to pass the laws that are needed to get us through this.
Cameron went for the coalition where the smallest party is running this country & that is wrong,
we all know action has to happen over the welfare system we can't continue to pay for people who have no intention on ever working getting welfare payments,
Labour promised to do this l;ast time but didn't & now the Liberals are stopping the action that is necessary.
We have Madmen not from this country spouting hate & telling followers to kill us & the EU court of Human rights won't let us deport him yet when the Tories say lets pull out of that convention the Liberals blow a fuse

You can only tax money you have earned.End of, therefore, no bedroom tax.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Stop punishing people for saving. There is no bedroom tax it is another Labour lie.

Its not a Labour lie, Labour only pick up off the streets because thats what people are calling it a Bedroom tax for the poor.

You quite correct Southy.
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This title was given by a leading Tory newspaper ........ The Telegraph.
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Since this entire press and the House of Commons have dubbed it so.
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Now perhaps the Tory boy may just retract his accusation

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

Dear oh dear, the Eastleigh by election was a bit of a disaster for you, wasn't it?

aldermoorboy wrote:
You can only tax money you have earned.End of, therefore, no bedroom tax.

No you are tax also in many other ways, even people who claim unemployment that money is also taking into account to be tax.
It is a Bed room Tax

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

Yes, what started out as a peaceful protest was stirred into violence by the SWP.

A shameful day in Socialist history, even more shameful that you are trying to take credit for it.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

Dear oh dear, the Eastleigh by election was a bit of a disaster for you, wasn't it?

Just a little but what was the object of standing there is what you need to know, there is a lot more going than what you ever know

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

You can make al the excuses you want but you still only got 62 (Sixty Two) votes. Live with your failure and learn not to keep make predictions that never come true.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

Dear oh dear, the Eastleigh by election was a bit of a disaster for you, wasn't it?

Just a little but what was the object of standing there is what you need to know, there is a lot more going than what you ever know

Yes, of course, I'm sure there's lots of dirty little back room deals going on where your principles and so called morals are being traded for a measly vote here and there that I don't know about.

Of course, your continuing use of the 'the electorate are stupid and I'm not' (I was going to put 'we' but no party will admit being anything to do with you) political slogan guarantees you not even last place.

Happy days.

aldermoorboy wrote:
You can only tax money you have earned.End of, therefore, no bedroom tax.

OK then let's call it theft from the poor to aid the rich, not a tax to aid the rest?

Come on Shoong, put your thinking head on, its nothing to do with what Capitalism gets up to in there dark corners.
But some thing else that happens later on in the year, thats the trouble with your kind you can only think about the here and now. and you will miss the total object of it all.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
You can only tax money you have earned.End of, therefore, no bedroom tax.

OK then let's call it theft from the poor to aid the rich, not a tax to aid the rest?

to true osprey

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

You can make al the excuses you want but you still only got 62 (Sixty Two) votes. Live with your failure and learn not to keep make predictions that never come true.

Take away the protest votes of course and things would look very differently:

'Daz' Procter 0.02%

southy wrote:

southy wrote:
Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

March 16th people will be on the streets making protest to the bedroom tax, it going on nationally. going to be interesting to see how many are against it, and wait for the 2nd day of protest to see if the number increase or decrease.

Where?

southy wrote:
Come on Shoong, put your thinking head on, its nothing to do with what Capitalism gets up to in there dark corners.
But some thing else that happens later on in the year, thats the trouble with your kind you can only think about the here and now. and you will miss the total object of it all.

I wasn't referring to Capitalism, that's your obsession.

Don't come over like you are some kind of intelligent insider trying to enlighten us all. You are simply 'eccentric'.

Nothing more.

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

You can make al the excuses you want but you still only got 62 (Sixty Two) votes. Live with your failure and learn not to keep make predictions that never come true.

Mighty Oaks from little acorns grow, have to start somewhere, Tory bullying will only help the minnows resolve.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

Your first paragraph - rubbish. I don't deny that your Trotskyists were organised and doing street stalls. But that was just a side-show to the main opposition - the political heavyweight of Labour, Liberals and many Tories. You really do need to stop imagining that just because you were for once on the side of the majority that it was all down to your efforts that the campaign succeeded.

Second paragraph - don't go on about UKIP, protest votes, working class people, right wing area, etc. ad infinitum. TUSC was decimated. Electorate 79,004: TUSC just 62 votes. Says it all really, doesn't it?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:
Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

March 16th people will be on the streets making protest to the bedroom tax, it going on nationally. going to be interesting to see how many are against it, and wait for the 2nd day of protest to see if the number increase or decrease.

Where?

Theres one for sure in Southampton, it will also be happening all over the country at the same time, same people organising this as they did the poll tax revolt, its beginning to sound very promising, theres been a number of small organitions that have been getting in contact with the SP, Unions are also interesed.
Let you know more when it gets closer.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Come on Shoong, put your thinking head on, its nothing to do with what Capitalism gets up to in there dark corners.
But some thing else that happens later on in the year, thats the trouble with your kind you can only think about the here and now. and you will miss the total object of it all.

I wasn't referring to Capitalism, that's your obsession.

Don't come over like you are some kind of intelligent insider trying to enlighten us all. You are simply 'eccentric'.

Nothing more.

Come on i know your not that bright but, you should relise what is going to happening later on in the year, I told you what the TUSC are going to try and do.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Come on Shoong, put your thinking head on, its nothing to do with what Capitalism gets up to in there dark corners.
But some thing else that happens later on in the year, thats the trouble with your kind you can only think about the here and now. and you will miss the total object of it all.

I wasn't referring to Capitalism, that's your obsession.

Don't come over like you are some kind of intelligent insider trying to enlighten us all. You are simply 'eccentric'.

Nothing more.

Come on i know your not that bright but, you should relise what is going to happening later on in the year, I told you what the TUSC are going to try and do.

You're not clever Peter. Not at all. You're actually more sheep than the average numbskull.

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:
Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

March 16th people will be on the streets making protest to the bedroom tax, it going on nationally. going to be interesting to see how many are against it, and wait for the 2nd day of protest to see if the number increase or decrease.

Where?

Theres one for sure in Southampton, it will also be happening all over the country at the same time, same people organising this as they did the poll tax revolt, its beginning to sound very promising, theres been a number of small organitions that have been getting in contact with the SP, Unions are also interesed.
Let you know more when it gets closer.

Well, I think we should probably mark that day in our calenders. It had best be something big Peter and not big as in 20 people with red flags big ;)

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

You can make al the excuses you want but you still only got 62 (Sixty Two) votes. Live with your failure and learn not to keep make predictions that never come true.

Mighty Oaks from little acorns grow, have to start somewhere, Tory bullying will only help the minnows resolve.

Let's hope no-one is relying on that particular acorn to provide fuel for their fire.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Stop punishing people for saving. There is no bedroom tax it is another Labour lie.

You're an idiot

Under-occupancy/bedr
oom tax is a Labour lie? this so called will be inflicted on the poorest and those most in need in 28 days time.

Get reality check aldermoorboy

Sorry Cameroon, you can move to the "right" as far as you like in your outdated political "spectrum", everyone knows you'll be serving only the super-rich in the City of London along with the psycho warmongers in Tel Aviv and Washington. The latter being proved earlier today by that foul little worm called Hague with his disgusting, bullying "speech" aimed at the Syrian government and people. We've had enough of your dirty little illegal wars .... the future is UKIP. Deal with it. Your time, and the time of the other two tory parties is OVER!

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Come on Shoong, put your thinking head on, its nothing to do with what Capitalism gets up to in there dark corners.
But some thing else that happens later on in the year, thats the trouble with your kind you can only think about the here and now. and you will miss the total object of it all.

I wasn't referring to Capitalism, that's your obsession.

Don't come over like you are some kind of intelligent insider trying to enlighten us all. You are simply 'eccentric'.

Nothing more.

Come on i know your not that bright but, you should relise what is going to happening later on in the year, I told you what the TUSC are going to try and do.

You're not clever Peter. Not at all. You're actually more sheep than the average numbskull.

Did say i was clever just brighter thats all.
Seeing can not think for your self, In May is the County Elections, the TUSC is going to try and cover 20% of the wards though out the Country, Taking part in the Eastleigh By-Election boosts the name of the TUSC though out the county, and it did not matter if we retained the deposit or lose it, its a tatical move and no more than that, but you need to be bright to be able to see that.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:
Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

March 16th people will be on the streets making protest to the bedroom tax, it going on nationally. going to be interesting to see how many are against it, and wait for the 2nd day of protest to see if the number increase or decrease.

Where?

Theres one for sure in Southampton, it will also be happening all over the country at the same time, same people organising this as they did the poll tax revolt, its beginning to sound very promising, theres been a number of small organitions that have been getting in contact with the SP, Unions are also interesed.
Let you know more when it gets closer.

Well, I think we should probably mark that day in our calenders. It had best be something big Peter and not big as in 20 people with red flags big ;)

Well I all ready know 50 people have said they will be going, there are a number of tenants associations that have express that they wish to join in.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Slippery Labour/union council caused the strike, backed the strike then blamed the Tories.
Get rid of the unions in this council then we the public win.
Only 1 in 20 voted Labour in Eastleigh, sensible voters.

Royston Smith ACTED.

The Unions REACTED.

Smith would neither consult nor listen, but the Unions Made him listen.

With regard the Eastleigh election.

Labour increased its percentage of the vote in a constituency that they have not won in decades.

Neither the LibDems nor the Tories can make that claim.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Slippery Labour/union council caused the strike, backed the strike then blamed the Tories.
Get rid of the unions in this council then we the public win.
Only 1 in 20 voted Labour in Eastleigh, sensible voters.

Since the destruction of any form of industry in the Eastleigh area, there are no Labour voters left. How about imposing a bedroom tax on all the posh peoples housing? Do you think they could offer bedroom space to the homeless?

Maybe a Second Homes Tax would be more appropriate.

Linesman wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Slippery Labour/union council caused the strike, backed the strike then blamed the Tories.
Get rid of the unions in this council then we the public win.
Only 1 in 20 voted Labour in Eastleigh, sensible voters.

Royston Smith ACTED.

The Unions REACTED.

Smith would neither consult nor listen, but the Unions Made him listen.

With regard the Eastleigh election.

Labour increased its percentage of the vote in a constituency that they have not won in decades.

Neither the LibDems nor the Tories can make that claim.

You mean never won since this constituency was created back in the 50's, Torys had won this constituency right up to when the Lib/Dems took it off them, when the Labour voters voted lib/dems just to keep the Torys out.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Come on Shoong, put your thinking head on, its nothing to do with what Capitalism gets up to in there dark corners.
But some thing else that happens later on in the year, thats the trouble with your kind you can only think about the here and now. and you will miss the total object of it all.

I wasn't referring to Capitalism, that's your obsession.

Don't come over like you are some kind of intelligent insider trying to enlighten us all. You are simply 'eccentric'.

Nothing more.

Come on i know your not that bright but, you should relise what is going to happening later on in the year, I told you what the TUSC are going to try and do.

You're not clever Peter. Not at all. You're actually more sheep than the average numbskull.

Did say i was clever just brighter thats all.
Seeing can not think for your self, In May is the County Elections, the TUSC is going to try and cover 20% of the wards though out the Country, Taking part in the Eastleigh By-Election boosts the name of the TUSC though out the county, and it did not matter if we retained the deposit or lose it, its a tatical move and no more than that, but you need to be bright to be able to see that.

There are only 78 councillors at Hampshire County Council. So, you hope to cover 20% = 16 wards. That’s not many, is it?

The electorate is some 800,000 and you can only put up less than a score of candidates? Pathetic.

And as for your ‘tactical move’ in the Eastleigh by-election. Got to laugh. What a tactic; to be humiliated by the Monster Raving Loony Party, et al.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
.
Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
.
Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
.
Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

Yes, what started out as a peaceful protest was stirred into violence by the SWP.

A shameful day in Socialist history, even more shameful that you are trying to take credit for it.

The shameful in Tory history was when Thatcher's government sent in the Police as 'Storm Troopers' during the Miners' strike.

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Great decision by Slippery Dave not to change course.
.
Stick with the usual great results and ideas.
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Granny Tax. Pasty Tax, Bedroom Tax, Triple Dip Recession, Zero Growth, Devalued Pound, No AAA anymore.
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Yes slippery keep it going for two more years and you along with your party will be history ....... again.
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Brightened up my Sunday

Thatcher would not budge also, and it was her down when 18 million people turned against her in the organise Socialist Party Anti-Poll Tax Revolt. And March 16th might be the start of Camerons Waterloo defeat.

.. no, southy. As I've pointed out many times before, although a few Scottish Socialists may have started a petition in a Glasgow cafe that does NOT mean it was the Socialist Party that brought down the Poll Tax.

It was unpopular right across the political spectrum and in the end it was a Tory, Heseltine (and a large minority of Tory MP's) who brought down Thatcher and got the Poll Tax scrapped. Don't big-up your party. It was a mass movement that would have happened with or without your Socialist Party.

Need I remind you that although being against the Poll Tax put you on the side of the majority for once that did not result in electoral success, then or now. Why? Because the vast majority of your other policies and ideas are impractical, unpopular and have been rejected worldwide wherever they have been put into effect. And the electorate of Eastleigh reinforced this rejection of your ideas emphatically only last Thursday.

You do not know your history at all do you free, by the Time it was ready to move south of the boarder the Socialist Party had it all oganised and ready, they had branches in every single county in England and Wales, with out the Socialist party and thier organising and getting stalls on the streets telling people getting smaller groups formed and getting them ready, nothing would of happened, but it was because of this is why the Tory party had to act and act fast, there was enough pressure for the crown to be involved and disovle government, and if that had happened then the Torys would of lost total control of house of commons, Biggest error the Socialist party ever done was not to take credit for what they had achive and to capitalise on there success they let others take it, but it was the Socialist party that was behide it all.
What happen thursday was a protest vote for UKIP thats all, there are very few working class people in that Eastleigh constituency, or do you not relise that it ran all the way down to the Banks of River Hamble in this constituency there are a high number of financiers, business owners business people and other mid to upper middle class people, and the only reason why the Torys can't gain control of this constituency is because what few working class people there are most vote Lib/Dems to keep the Torys out, and it also works against ukip

Yes, what started out as a peaceful protest was stirred into violence by the SWP.

A shameful day in Socialist history, even more shameful that you are trying to take credit for it.

The shameful in Tory history was when Thatcher's government sent in the Police as 'Storm Troopers' during the Miners' strike.

Even lo there is a gap between the Socialist Party and the Socialist workers Party, the SWP did not start any violence, it was a extreme far right wing group the NF and BNP that started that violence off and was the only ones that took part in that violence, but would also say this to under cover police was mixing in with the crowns and it was known also that they was involved in the violence also.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Come on Shoong, put your thinking head on, its nothing to do with what Capitalism gets up to in there dark corners.
But some thing else that happens later on in the year, thats the trouble with your kind you can only think about the here and now. and you will miss the total object of it all.

I wasn't referring to Capitalism, that's your obsession.

Don't come over like you are some kind of intelligent insider trying to enlighten us all. You are simply 'eccentric'.

Nothing more.

Come on i know your not that bright but, you should relise what is going to happening later on in the year, I told you what the TUSC are going to try and do.

You're not clever Peter. Not at all. You're actually more sheep than the average numbskull.

Did say i was clever just brighter thats all.
Seeing can not think for your self, In May is the County Elections, the TUSC is going to try and cover 20% of the wards though out the Country, Taking part in the Eastleigh By-Election boosts the name of the TUSC though out the county, and it did not matter if we retained the deposit or lose it, its a tatical move and no more than that, but you need to be bright to be able to see that.

There are only 78 councillors at Hampshire County Council. So, you hope to cover 20% = 16 wards. That’s not many, is it?

The electorate is some 800,000 and you can only put up less than a score of candidates? Pathetic.

And as for your ‘tactical move’ in the Eastleigh by-election. Got to laugh. What a tactic; to be humiliated by the Monster Raving Loony Party, et al.

There are 78 wards thats just Hampshire, what about all the other countys in England Wales, there are also conditions to being able to stand, you must have connections like living there or working there, not so easy now is it, as the Green party can only cover 6 wards I think and UKIP even less in Hampshire.

It's so funny that the two parties that did so badly are on here having a go at the party that came third in the middle of a parliament in a strong Liberal seat?
Southy who's party are only good at organising riots,Labour who showed the people of Eastleigh exactly what they thought of them by putting up a Comedian so inferring Eastleigh is a joke.
How anyone who's bought their council home can slag down the Governments initiative on council/housing association homes ids in the least hypocritical.
As for the rest the Labour supporters so you agree with single men taking over a two bedroomed house whilst on welfare?
we then pay more rent,more council tax out of the welfare budget than we would do if these people weren't allowed to continue living in their "family home" & had to move into single persons accommodation.
Take a look at Homebid & look at the amount of one bed roomed properties there are? these are no use to the young families where the mother has to carry one or two kids plus a pram up three flights of stairs but have no choice as people won't move into smaller properties & a couple can be in anything from a two to a four bedroomed home.
one way to gently nudge people into smaller properties & to lower the welfare budget is to say okay if you want to live in that council/housing association property get a job or we'll only give you an allowance to cover living expenses & rent of a single or a couples welfare payments so how is this a tax & what's wrong with it?
personally a council property is allocated on circumstances & if they change you are suppose to notify the council so a person getting a two,three,four bedroom property because of the size of family should tell the council when a member of that family leaves the home & should then be reassessed & maybe moved to a smaller property.
many whilst working have the same choice as Southy had to buy if they didn't that's their choice & they should be prepared to move to a smaller property as many in the private sector already do this why should those on welfare in council homes be any different?
No cuts Southy says yet this is a way to cut the welfare bill with out cutting services so to oppose it is extremely hypocritical .OH! SOUTHY looks like there's a lot of right wing fascists in Eastleigh as you said UKIP was a right wing Fascist party didn't you?

Loose before you comment any more go and read the inquirey report and not the Sun media who lied about alot of things, The report finding was that the violence was down to infertration of NF members many of whom became BNP after wards, who was the cause of the violence, No action was taking that had not all ready been taking as the report also indictated that there was also under cover police involove in the said violence also do not get it mix up with the roits that also took place in the 80's that had nothing to do with the poll tax revolt.
I did not say what you saying, you are the one saying that about UKIP being a Fascist party even lo some of there policys are fascist "I said that UKIP is a far right wing Party boarding on Fascism, there is a difference.
How can you make cuts when your going to make people unemployed its pointless it ends up costing more, when you put people on the dole, then all you done is forcing them to make claims like housing benefit and reduction in council tax, cancelling out any saving that you might have made, but aslo that will needed to be taken into account is the fact these people will not be able to spend in the local economy so that will mean the private sector having to make cut backs and more job loses, also what is needed is to add on the cost of amin costs to each and every one that is claiming benefit.
council housing all councils should be allowed to build there own homes and as many as they like or need, they should not be stop from doing so like your Tory Government did in the 80's or need to ask government permission like the last labour government said.

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:
Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

March 16th people will be on the streets making protest to the bedroom tax, it going on nationally. going to be interesting to see how many are against it, and wait for the 2nd day of protest to see if the number increase or decrease.

Where?

Theres one for sure in Southampton, it will also be happening all over the country at the same time, same people organising this as they did the poll tax revolt, its beginning to sound very promising, theres been a number of small organitions that have been getting in contact with the SP, Unions are also interesed.
Let you know more when it gets closer.

I am surprise to see you say this Southy as you have been one person who I felt could be relied upon to see through it. The right of tenancy was brought about by your favourite Margaret Thatcher, therefore based on your normal mantra this must be bad and should be defeated. Likewise you bemoan politicians and local government workers for taking more than they need and have plucked a figure out of the air saying what the maximum salary should be. So why are you not applying this drive for equality to other areas? Surely you must agree that it is unfair for a single person to occupy a government owned building which could accommodate a family with young children. As a socialist wanting to create a more equal and fair society why are you sounding like a Tory??

Why is it a person took up a change in council housing to own his own house only for him & many like him to talk about the leader who bought about this change with such hate?
Then to say it's the reason behind not enough council properties & build more?
After all MAGGIE said we could buy them she didn't say you've got to buy them & as a good Socialist why the hell did SOUTHY buy his council home?

Excellent point Loosehead, I think Southy is turning into a Tory.

stay local wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:
Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

March 16th people will be on the streets making protest to the bedroom tax, it going on nationally. going to be interesting to see how many are against it, and wait for the 2nd day of protest to see if the number increase or decrease.

Where?

Theres one for sure in Southampton, it will also be happening all over the country at the same time, same people organising this as they did the poll tax revolt, its beginning to sound very promising, theres been a number of small organitions that have been getting in contact with the SP, Unions are also interesed.
Let you know more when it gets closer.

I am surprise to see you say this Southy as you have been one person who I felt could be relied upon to see through it. The right of tenancy was brought about by your favourite Margaret Thatcher, therefore based on your normal mantra this must be bad and should be defeated. Likewise you bemoan politicians and local government workers for taking more than they need and have plucked a figure out of the air saying what the maximum salary should be. So why are you not applying this drive for equality to other areas? Surely you must agree that it is unfair for a single person to occupy a government owned building which could accommodate a family with young children. As a socialist wanting to create a more equal and fair society why are you sounding like a Tory??

.. now wait a minute. What you are doing is tantamount to asking southy to think. You know when it comes to politics that’s just not on. ‘The Party’ tells him what to think and say. Their word is definitive and final. He will argue that black is white until his dying day if The Party tells him this is so.

There are a number of problems with the ‘Bedroom Tax’, particularly relating to the disabled, and these do need to be sorted. However, you are right in your analysis that overall this is a fair measure that should have the effect of a more equitable distribution of the available housing between households of differing sizes.

That it has the additional effect in making very small savings in total benefit payments seems to be the only thing the Trotskyists are seeing. Its beneficial social outcomes, that will help in a more equitable distribution of housing, seems to have passed them by. Still, they have always been pretty myopic.

stay local wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:
Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

March 16th people will be on the streets making protest to the bedroom tax, it going on nationally. going to be interesting to see how many are against it, and wait for the 2nd day of protest to see if the number increase or decrease.

Where?

Theres one for sure in Southampton, it will also be happening all over the country at the same time, same people organising this as they did the poll tax revolt, its beginning to sound very promising, theres been a number of small organitions that have been getting in contact with the SP, Unions are also interesed.
Let you know more when it gets closer.

I am surprise to see you say this Southy as you have been one person who I felt could be relied upon to see through it. The right of tenancy was brought about by your favourite Margaret Thatcher, therefore based on your normal mantra this must be bad and should be defeated. Likewise you bemoan politicians and local government workers for taking more than they need and have plucked a figure out of the air saying what the maximum salary should be. So why are you not applying this drive for equality to other areas? Surely you must agree that it is unfair for a single person to occupy a government owned building which could accommodate a family with young children. As a socialist wanting to create a more equal and fair society why are you sounding like a Tory??

Excellent post,and a great summary of the hypocritical one.

On principle,I can see the thinking behind this "tax",as we hear stories about single people/couples actually volunteering giving up their larger properties.

But as I can see so many grey areas being contested,I assume there will be an extra workload on an already depleted Housing Benefit workforce.

Who will be doing all the follow up/investagative work in the relevant Council Departments?

I can see appeals against this "Bedroom Tax" lasting for months/years and in the long run be of no financial benefit to anyone.

stay local wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:
Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

March 16th people will be on the streets making protest to the bedroom tax, it going on nationally. going to be interesting to see how many are against it, and wait for the 2nd day of protest to see if the number increase or decrease.

Where?

Theres one for sure in Southampton, it will also be happening all over the country at the same time, same people organising this as they did the poll tax revolt, its beginning to sound very promising, theres been a number of small organitions that have been getting in contact with the SP, Unions are also interesed.
Let you know more when it gets closer.

I am surprise to see you say this Southy as you have been one person who I felt could be relied upon to see through it. The right of tenancy was brought about by your favourite Margaret Thatcher, therefore based on your normal mantra this must be bad and should be defeated. Likewise you bemoan politicians and local government workers for taking more than they need and have plucked a figure out of the air saying what the maximum salary should be. So why are you not applying this drive for equality to other areas? Surely you must agree that it is unfair for a single person to occupy a government owned building which could accommodate a family with young children. As a socialist wanting to create a more equal and fair society why are you sounding like a Tory??

Correction Thatcher did not brought about the rights of Tenancy, those rights have all ways been there.
What Thatcher did was to give tenancy a discount if they decide to buy there council house, but the right to buy as been there since Prime Minster Macdonald, What Thatcher did was to put a rope around the people necks to try and stop them from striking.
She also stop councils from building there own homes, so councils could not replace homes that had been sold or to match the growing waiting list, pushing people into private renting, she also stop councils from maintaince program, if councils wanted this they had to bring in private contractors.
As a Socialist I am saying that all councils should be allowed to build there own homes to replace ones that been sold or to match the need for new homes in line with the waiting list, and they should not need to ask Government permission to do so, like the last Labour Government made rules on the subject

As to date for March 16th 43 have said they are going, 19 said they will try to be there and 238 people have express interest in turning up, for the Anti-Bed room Tax demo in Southampton

southy wrote:

stay local wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:
Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

March 16th people will be on the streets making protest to the bedroom tax, it going on nationally. going to be interesting to see how many are against it, and wait for the 2nd day of protest to see if the number increase or decrease.

Where?

Theres one for sure in Southampton, it will also be happening all over the country at the same time, same people organising this as they did the poll tax revolt, its beginning to sound very promising, theres been a number of small organitions that have been getting in contact with the SP, Unions are also interesed.
Let you know more when it gets closer.

I am surprise to see you say this Southy as you have been one person who I felt could be relied upon to see through it. The right of tenancy was brought about by your favourite Margaret Thatcher, therefore based on your normal mantra this must be bad and should be defeated. Likewise you bemoan politicians and local government workers for taking more than they need and have plucked a figure out of the air saying what the maximum salary should be. So why are you not applying this drive for equality to other areas? Surely you must agree that it is unfair for a single person to occupy a government owned building which could accommodate a family with young children. As a socialist wanting to create a more equal and fair society why are you sounding like a Tory??

Correction Thatcher did not brought about the rights of Tenancy, those rights have all ways been there.
What Thatcher did was to give tenancy a discount if they decide to buy there council house, but the right to buy as been there since Prime Minster Macdonald, What Thatcher did was to put a rope around the people necks to try and stop them from striking.
She also stop councils from building there own homes, so councils could not replace homes that had been sold or to match the growing waiting list, pushing people into private renting, she also stop councils from maintaince program, if councils wanted this they had to bring in private contractors.
As a Socialist I am saying that all councils should be allowed to build there own homes to replace ones that been sold or to match the need for new homes in line with the waiting list, and they should not need to ask Government permission to do so, like the last Labour Government made rules on the subject

Wrong again Southy "When Margaret Thatcher came to power in 1979 she was concerned about the amount of empty properties there were in the UK and the amount of homeless people there were and she came to the conclusion that the reason landlords weren’t letting was because the law was too biased in favour of the tenants so she created the Housing Act 1988, which brought us Assured and Assured Shortholds, with an automatic right of possession after a fixed term," source landlord law blog. you can also check the library as it has a copy of the 1988 housing act. So another lie!

Have you contacted the press complains commission about the news blackout for the TUSC (before the election) this is the headline from the TUSC website "RMT slams media blackout of working class candidate Daz Procter in Eastleigh by-election " Or is this another lie.

So to return to the question as a socialist (lets pretend for a minute you did not buy your council house) you are in a three bed house but the sole tenant, do you agree you should move to free up the in demand property and move to smaller accommodation. Which would save the country money as it would reduce the need for more building??

100%HANTSBOY wrote:

stay local wrote:

southy wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:
Bed room tax, pay or move, poverity is no excuse

March 16th people will be on the streets making protest to the bedroom tax, it going on nationally. going to be interesting to see how many are against it, and wait for the 2nd day of protest to see if the number increase or decrease.

Where?

Theres one for sure in Southampton, it will also be happening all over the country at the same time, same people organising this as they did the poll tax revolt, its beginning to sound very promising, theres been a number of small organitions that have been getting in contact with the SP, Unions are also interesed.
Let you know more when it gets closer.

I am surprise to see you say this Southy as you have been one person who I felt could be relied upon to see through it. The right of tenancy was brought about by your favourite Margaret Thatcher, therefore based on your normal mantra this must be bad and should be defeated. Likewise you bemoan politicians and local government workers for taking more than they need and have plucked a figure out of the air saying what the maximum salary should be. So why are you not applying this drive for equality to other areas? Surely you must agree that it is unfair for a single person to occupy a government owned building which could accommodate a family with young children. As a socialist wanting to create a more equal and fair society why are you sounding like a Tory??

Excellent post,and a great summary of the hypocritical one.

On principle,I can see the thinking behind this "tax",as we hear stories about single people/couples actually volunteering giving up their larger properties.

But as I can see so many grey areas being contested,I assume there will be an extra workload on an already depleted Housing Benefit workforce.

Who will be doing all the follow up/investagative work in the relevant Council Departments?

I can see appeals against this "Bedroom Tax" lasting for months/years and in the long run be of no financial benefit to anyone.

There is money set to one side to assist people.
the best thing to do would be if you are told your property has rooms you don't use & you do contact Citizens Advice & ask them what to do & how to claim this money.
For a couple to have a three bedroom house to say it's not fair as we've spent money on the garden is an absolute joke.