Speeding Hampshire drivers could be avoiding points (From Daily Echo)

It's just a matter of luck and circumstance, nothing to do with being a safe driver or not. If everybody had a device fitted in their cars that issued them with a fixed penalty every time that person drove over the limit there wouldn’t be next to nobody left on the road by the end of the week.
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What Police need to concentrate on is poor driving, excessive speed, tail gating, jumping red lights, swerving in and out of traffic, cutting people up etc.

CharlieOxbridge wrote:
It's just a matter of luck and circumstance, nothing to do with being a safe driver or not. If everybody had a device fitted in their cars that issued them with a fixed penalty every time that person drove over the limit there wouldn’t be next to nobody left on the road by the end of the week. . What Police need to concentrate on is poor driving, excessive speed, tail gating, jumping red lights, swerving in and out of traffic, cutting people up etc.

Agree with all this.

If you were speeding then you are not a safe driver so grow a pair, accept that you were caught and pay the fine.

And to think, a politician lost his job and probably his freedom for trying to buck the system, just shows how common a problem it really is.

sburman wrote:
If you were speeding then you are not a safe driver so grow a pair, accept that you were caught and pay the fine. And to think, a politician lost his job and probably his freedom for trying to buck the system, just shows how common a problem it really is.

Really, hands up who went over the speed limit this morning and got to work safely?
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BTW we are talking about 75mph on the motorway, 65mph in a 60, 55mph in a 50 etc. Not condoning those people that think driving up the boot of others at 100mph + and then undertaking in frustration.
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I forgot to add those that drive below the speed limit but in a world of their own. Maneuvering without indicating etc - they are extremely dangerous!

CharlieOxbridge wrote:

sburman wrote:
If you were speeding then you are not a safe driver so grow a pair, accept that you were caught and pay the fine. And to think, a politician lost his job and probably his freedom for trying to buck the system, just shows how common a problem it really is.

Really, hands up who went over the speed limit this morning and got to work safely?
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BTW we are talking about 75mph on the motorway, 65mph in a 60, 55mph in a 50 etc. Not condoning those people that think driving up the boot of others at 100mph + and then undertaking in frustration.
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I forgot to add those that drive below the speed limit but in a world of their own. Maneuvering without indicating etc - they are extremely dangerous!

I didn't say I always heed the speed limits only that fact the only time I have had a ticket I just got on and paid it and not treated it as some sort of right of passage to try and get off it.

sburman wrote:

CharlieOxbridge wrote:

sburman wrote:
If you were speeding then you are not a safe driver so grow a pair, accept that you were caught and pay the fine. And to think, a politician lost his job and probably his freedom for trying to buck the system, just shows how common a problem it really is.

Really, hands up who went over the speed limit this morning and got to work safely?
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BTW we are talking about 75mph on the motorway, 65mph in a 60, 55mph in a 50 etc. Not condoning those people that think driving up the boot of others at 100mph + and then undertaking in frustration.
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I forgot to add those that drive below the speed limit but in a world of their own. Maneuvering without indicating etc - they are extremely dangerous!

I didn't say I always heed the speed limits only that fact the only time I have had a ticket I just got on and paid it and not treated it as some sort of right of passage to try and get off it.

If every guilty person pleaded accordingly there would be very few people that experienced jury service.

I drive as safely as I can whatever my surroundings. There is at least one 30mph road near to my home in which I never exceed 20mph, whereas at times other roads nearby, regularly speed trapped by the commercial dept of the old bill, where exceeding the speed limit, sensibly, is not dangerouse. I agree with the comments that say the polioce should be out there looking for driving that is actually dangerous and not picking on careful drivers conentrating on the road more than the speedo.

You would not be reported for doing 75 on the motorway. Those people issued these courses would have been going over 10% of the speed limit +2mph. Those are the CPS guidelines for prosecution which seem fair to me.

CharlieOxbridge wrote:
It's just a matter of luck and circumstance, nothing to do with being a safe driver or not. If everybody had a device fitted in their cars that issued them with a fixed penalty every time that person drove over the limit there wouldn’t be next to nobody left on the road by the end of the week.
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What Police need to concentrate on is poor driving, excessive speed, tail gating, jumping red lights, swerving in and out of traffic, cutting people up etc.

In an ideal world however there are not enough front line police to deal with poor driving - too much police time spent on youths out of control, theft due to drug abuse, people with mental health problems and people who are just S@@m.

Has nobody asked themselves why he made these comments. Let me think. He works in insurance and feels insurance companies are missing out on premiums. Nothing to do with safety. You can drive within the speed limit and still be unsafe to drive.

sotonwinch09 wrote:
You would not be reported for doing 75 on the motorway. Those people issued these courses would have been going over 10% of the speed limit +2mph. Those are the CPS guidelines for prosecution which seem fair to me.

This is a fallacy, i had to do a speed awareness course for doing 53mph in a 50 limit. Find me someone who says they never speed and chances are they are a liar or dangerously slow!

Golf girl wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
You would not be reported for doing 75 on the motorway. Those people issued these courses would have been going over 10% of the speed limit +2mph. Those are the CPS guidelines for prosecution which seem fair to me.

This is a fallacy, i had to do a speed awareness course for doing 53mph in a 50 limit. Find me someone who says they never speed and chances are they are a liar or dangerously slow!

For a straightforward case of speeding the cut off is 10% + 2mph above the posted speed limit because the Police and the CPS accept that a car speedometer is not a calibrated instrument. If you were prosecuted for 53 in a 50 MPH area, you have grounds for redress as any solicitor will,tell you. Present the documentation before any No Win - No Fee legal firm and they will take the case on as it would be so easy to present to the courts. If you were also texting and undertaking as you exceeded the speed limit it might be a more difficult case.

Torchie1 wrote:

Golf girl wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
You would not be reported for doing 75 on the motorway. Those people issued these courses would have been going over 10% of the speed limit +2mph. Those are the CPS guidelines for prosecution which seem fair to me.

This is a fallacy, i had to do a speed awareness course for doing 53mph in a 50 limit. Find me someone who says they never speed and chances are they are a liar or dangerously slow!

For a straightforward case of speeding the cut off is 10% + 2mph above the posted speed limit because the Police and the CPS accept that a car speedometer is not a calibrated instrument. If you were prosecuted for 53 in a 50 MPH area, you have grounds for redress as any solicitor will,tell you. Present the documentation before any No Win - No Fee legal firm and they will take the case on as it would be so easy to present to the courts. If you were also texting and undertaking as you exceeded the speed limit it might be a more difficult case.

Wish I'd known that 3 years ago! I was caught by fixed camara, no other offences such as mobile phone usage. Getting caught speeding is just bad luck, most people speed somewhat at some point. Police should concentrate on excessive speed, tailgating, undertaking, mobile phone use, drink driving etc not making money out of those who do a few mph over the limit!
Thanks for the advice, hopefully i won't need to use it!

The speeding guidelines are nothing to do with the CPS, it is the ACPO who set them and as they are only guidelines not rules or law so can be ignored by officers or camera operators.
Most modern car speedos over read so if you are caught doing 53 chances are you speedo was reading 55 or more.
No solicitor will be interested in defending a speeding case like you state.

dolomiteman wrote:
The speeding guidelines are nothing to do with the CPS, it is the ACPO who set them and as they are only guidelines not rules or law so can be ignored by officers or camera operators.
Most modern car speedos over read so if you are caught doing 53 chances are you speedo was reading 55 or more.
No solicitor will be interested in defending a speeding case like you state.

Three years down the line and you chalk it up to experience but the '10%+2' leeway is what the Police use. Roadside cameras use a similar margin to allow for speedo error so when you are prosecuted for speeding, you really have exceeded the limit by an unacceptable amount. During my more reckless years I used to challenge the speed cameras on a motorcycle knowing that there was no front numberplate to identify me and I was very surprised how much higher than the posted limit was needed to set them off.In the New Forest no-one receives a ticket unless they are driving at 46mph or more in the 40mph zones and prosecution is only guaranteed for speeds of over 50mph. If I received a summons for a simple speeding offence listed as 53mph in a 50mph zone, I would challenge it with confidence.