Hospital deaths: MP demands action (From Daily Echo)

How about having real transparency with government, I would trust Labour about as much I would trust the Torys and every other right wing political group with our NHS, they know they could not sell the NHS out right because the public will revolt over the matter, so they are dismantling the NHS bit by bit to private hands, hoping no one will notice, and its this slow selling off and running down dept in the NHS that is causing the problem.

It would be prudent for ANY Labour to keep their head well below the parapet when passing opinions on the NHS. The current shambles in the NHS is a legacy from the most inept group of people to ever govern the UK.

I am just waiting for the apologists for the NHS to come on here and say that the NHS is absolutely marvellous and that although there have been some deaths, that in the broad spectrum the NHS still leads the world. If you spot such piffle on here please let me know.

southy wrote:
How about having real transparency with government, I would trust Labour about as much I would trust the Torys and every other right wing political group with our NHS, they know they could not sell the NHS out right because the public will revolt over the matter, so they are dismantling the NHS bit by bit to private hands, hoping no one will notice, and its this slow selling off and running down dept in the NHS that is causing the problem.

When it come to trust you are well down the pecking order.

1 The reply needed regarding your lie about thatchers role in creating life time tenancies.

2 Your lie about the news blackout for the TUSC.

Since you are now a proven liar why should anyone trust you or the motley group of no hoper's who were soundly beaten in the recent election by the Elvis loves pets party!!

As for the actual story, why has no one stated the obvious... You go to hospital when you are ill, you staying in hospital when you are very ill, therefore the death rates in hospitals will seem high. Yes there may be neglect, but people will always die.

binghammac wrote:
It would be prudent for ANY Labour to keep their head well below the parapet when passing opinions on the NHS. The current shambles in the NHS is a legacy from the most inept group of people to ever govern the UK.

You are right ....... But the Tor led coalition has been in power for only 2.9 years so dont be too hard on them . . YET

@ stay local

I should think that while I work throughout my life and contribute, that when I do need treatement, I will not die due to "neglect" as you put it.

If you're happy about getting d1cked by the NHS and the chums in westminster then its your perogative.

Donald2000 wrote:
I am just waiting for the apologists for the NHS to come on here and say that the NHS is absolutely marvellous and that although there have been some deaths, that in the broad spectrum the NHS still leads the world. If you spot such piffle on here please let me know.

Yep will do

****-Biker wrote:

Donald2000 wrote:
I am just waiting for the apologists for the NHS to come on here and say that the NHS is absolutely marvellous and that although there have been some deaths, that in the broad spectrum the NHS still leads the world. If you spot such piffle on here please let me know.

Yep will do

Ha ha, you funny little person. Anyway what are we all doing indoors on this lovely day?

stay local wrote:

southy wrote:
How about having real transparency with government, I would trust Labour about as much I would trust the Torys and every other right wing political group with our NHS, they know they could not sell the NHS out right because the public will revolt over the matter, so they are dismantling the NHS bit by bit to private hands, hoping no one will notice, and its this slow selling off and running down dept in the NHS that is causing the problem.

When it come to trust you are well down the pecking order.

1 The reply needed regarding your lie about thatchers role in creating life time tenancies.

2 Your lie about the news blackout for the TUSC.

Since you are now a proven liar why should anyone trust you or the motley group of no hoper's who were soundly beaten in the recent election by the Elvis loves pets party!!

As for the actual story, why has no one stated the obvious... You go to hospital when you are ill, you staying in hospital when you are very ill, therefore the death rates in hospitals will seem high. Yes there may be neglect, but people will always die.

funny how more and more people are saying the same theng about Thatcher, She had her attack on the NHS also.
Nothing have been proven, The echo was push into publishing some thing, where was the TUSC video that never appered did it while all others had a video link put up on the Echo.
Did you read what the Tory graph said, they "basic" said they could not under stand how come the TUSC vote was low, then they went on abit, but they was not surprise in one way because the lack of publicity coverage they got was the lowest of all partys that took part in the by-election, they also pointed out that the Echo favoured UKIP more than any other party, before UKIP even named there candidate was getting more local media coverage than the Torys, Lib/Dems and Labour.
There is deaths in NHS Hospitals, and there is death cause though neglect, which never happened and only just started to happen in the 80's

Donald2000 wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Donald2000 wrote: I am just waiting for the apologists for the NHS to come on here and say that the NHS is absolutely marvellous and that although there have been some deaths, that in the broad spectrum the NHS still leads the world. If you spot such piffle on here please let me know.

Yep will do

Ha ha, you funny little person. Anyway what are we all doing indoors on this lovely day?

I don’t know about you but I have been ridiculing some hot head on another story that wouldn’t wind his neck in, I think he got the message in the end.

****-Biker wrote:

Donald2000 wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Donald2000 wrote: I am just waiting for the apologists for the NHS to come on here and say that the NHS is absolutely marvellous and that although there have been some deaths, that in the broad spectrum the NHS still leads the world. If you spot such piffle on here please let me know.

Yep will do

Ha ha, you funny little person. Anyway what are we all doing indoors on this lovely day?

I don’t know about you but I have been ridiculing some hot head on another story that wouldn’t wind his neck in, I think he got the message in the end.

Good for you. It's disgusting how illiterate I can be...whoops, there I go again. One thing about you that I like is that you are not abusive. I have enjoyed arguing with you. Cheers!

and I have enjoyed it too
Thanks

I experienced yesterday at the General Hospital when visiting a friend the elderly man in the same ward who obviously had Dementia had soiled him self my friend said he thought he had been like this for some time & no one had been into the ward for him to tell so he pushed his emergency bell to which we waited a good 10 mins & no one came by this time the man had got out of bed & started to take his night clothes off at this point I went to the desk where there where at least 6 staff & asked them to come to the ward to sort this poor man out he was stood naked & covered in excrement & wet. I wonder why he was not being checked also why he had no pad on this makes my blood boil. I know staff are busy but come on it seems to me you go into hospital & come back with all sorts of other problems or you don't come home at all.

john denham on another crusade, paid a fortune achieves nothing, i love to have his job

southy wrote:

stay local wrote:

southy wrote:
How about having real transparency with government, I would trust Labour about as much I would trust the Torys and every other right wing political group with our NHS, they know they could not sell the NHS out right because the public will revolt over the matter, so they are dismantling the NHS bit by bit to private hands, hoping no one will notice, and its this slow selling off and running down dept in the NHS that is causing the problem.

When it come to trust you are well down the pecking order.

1 The reply needed regarding your lie about thatchers role in creating life time tenancies.

2 Your lie about the news blackout for the TUSC.

Since you are now a proven liar why should anyone trust you or the motley group of no hoper's who were soundly beaten in the recent election by the Elvis loves pets party!!

As for the actual story, why has no one stated the obvious... You go to hospital when you are ill, you staying in hospital when you are very ill, therefore the death rates in hospitals will seem high. Yes there may be neglect, but people will always die.

funny how more and more people are saying the same theng about Thatcher, She had her attack on the NHS also.
Nothing have been proven, The echo was push into publishing some thing, where was the TUSC video that never appered did it while all others had a video link put up on the Echo.
Did you read what the Tory graph said, they "basic" said they could not under stand how come the TUSC vote was low, then they went on abit, but they was not surprise in one way because the lack of publicity coverage they got was the lowest of all partys that took part in the by-election, they also pointed out that the Echo favoured UKIP more than any other party, before UKIP even named there candidate was getting more local media coverage than the Torys, Lib/Dems and Labour.
There is deaths in NHS Hospitals, and there is death cause though neglect, which never happened and only just started to happen in the 80's

I didn't see any complaints about the level of publicity received by the Elvis loves Pets, the Monster Raving Loony Party or the Beer, Baccy and Chips candidates who all beat you, or the 'Wessex' candidate who you just managed to keep ahead of. No-one voted for you, get over it because trying to justify your failure only makes things worse.

Put it this way, if we end up having ourselves or loved ones in the hospital then the only thing we can do is stay by their side and make sure that the care and treatment is administered to the highest level, we cant have six or seven staff hanging about in the bay stations doing nothing while patients are suffering, be ware staff, you wouldn't want me kicking off,because I will do everything to get you all sacked (except the good ones of course) and there are some good ones up there, but the chiefs need to get a grip on this appalling situation and make sure this does not happen again, 1 death is bad enough but three possibly more is out of order.

Diet wrote:
I experienced yesterday at the General Hospital when visiting a friend the elderly man in the same ward who obviously had Dementia had soiled him self my friend said he thought he had been like this for some time & no one had been into the ward for him to tell so he pushed his emergency bell to which we waited a good 10 mins & no one came by this time the man had got out of bed & started to take his night clothes off at this point I went to the desk where there where at least 6 staff & asked them to come to the ward to sort this poor man out he was stood naked & covered in excrement & wet. I wonder why he was not being checked also why he had no pad on this makes my blood boil. I know staff are busy but come on it seems to me you go into hospital & come back with all sorts of other problems or you don't come home at all.

I hope you reported that to the Matron, or spoke to PALS.

If not, you should do so to PALS now.

Denham's on a total publicity trip in the wake of Francis. He'd like nothing more than for the General to be found to be like Staffs, because it would give him stacks of publicity and he could grandstand for votes.

The cases highlighted are unacceptable, as are some of the stories on here and on PatientOpinion, so improvements obviously need to be made. But the General's mortality rate remains better than statistically expected. Just google it, that's what I did.

The NHS has been messed around with to the point where it's at breaking point, but we're lucky that our local hospital is actually doing a lot *better* than most. I know some of the staff there, and they would be hugely upset to read some of the recent comments. I wouldn't be surprised if the negative publicity was enough to make them choose a better paid and easier job instead, and that would be an absolute disaster.

SaintM wrote:
john denham on another crusade, paid a fortune achieves nothing, i love to have his job

Nothing to stop you standing for parliament at the next election.

Of course, you will have to pay a deposit.

So put your money where your mouth is.

SaintM wrote:
john denham on another crusade, paid a fortune achieves nothing, i love to have his job

Nothing to stop you standing for parliament at the next election.

Of course, you will have to pay a deposit.

So put your money where your mouth is.

SaintM wrote:
john denham on another crusade, paid a fortune achieves nothing, i love to have his job

Nothing to stop you standing for parliament at the next election.

Of course, you will have to pay a deposit.

So put your money where your mouth is.

SaintM wrote:
john denham on another crusade, paid a fortune achieves nothing, i love to have his job

Nothing to stop you standing for parliament at the next election.

Of course, you will have to pay a deposit.

So put your money where your mouth is.

sotonbev wrote:
Put it this way, if we end up having ourselves or loved ones in the hospital then the only thing we can do is stay by their side and make sure that the care and treatment is administered to the highest level, we cant have six or seven staff hanging about in the bay stations doing nothing while patients are suffering, be ware staff, you wouldn't want me kicking off,because I will do everything to get you all sacked (except the good ones of course) and there are some good ones up there, but the chiefs need to get a grip on this appalling situation and make sure this does not happen again, 1 death is bad enough but three possibly more is out of order.

Bev, whilst this is an emotive issue around failings by the hospital I don’t think saying that you “wouldn't want me kicking off,because I will do everything to get you all sacked” sounds quite threatening and you sound like the sort of person the SGH shouldn’t be letting in .

Diet wrote:
I experienced yesterday at the General Hospital when visiting a friend the elderly man in the same ward who obviously had Dementia had soiled him self my friend said he thought he had been like this for some time & no one had been into the ward for him to tell so he pushed his emergency bell to which we waited a good 10 mins & no one came by this time the man had got out of bed & started to take his night clothes off at this point I went to the desk where there where at least 6 staff & asked them to come to the ward to sort this poor man out he was stood naked & covered in excrement & wet. I wonder why he was not being checked also why he had no pad on this makes my blood boil. I know staff are busy but come on it seems to me you go into hospital & come back with all sorts of other problems or you don't come home at all.

If this sort of thing happened in a private Nursing/Care home,it wouldn't be too long before they were closed down.

100%HANTSBOY wrote:

Diet wrote:
I experienced yesterday at the General Hospital when visiting a friend the elderly man in the same ward who obviously had Dementia had soiled him self my friend said he thought he had been like this for some time & no one had been into the ward for him to tell so he pushed his emergency bell to which we waited a good 10 mins & no one came by this time the man had got out of bed & started to take his night clothes off at this point I went to the desk where there where at least 6 staff & asked them to come to the ward to sort this poor man out he was stood naked & covered in excrement & wet. I wonder why he was not being checked also why he had no pad on this makes my blood boil. I know staff are busy but come on it seems to me you go into hospital & come back with all sorts of other problems or you don't come home at all.

If this sort of thing happened in a private Nursing/Care home,it wouldn't be too long before they were closed down.

*Shouldn't*, not "wouldn't"

The standard of care in many private nursing/care homes is utterly despicable.

Remember Winterbourne View?

"Winterbourne View hospital abuse" has it's very own wikipedia page if you're not familiar with it!

The private sector is LESS regulated than NHS places, so places like that get away with it for much longer.

Of course - as with hospitals - there are also a great number of low paid staff working 15+ hour shifts who do an amazing job in many care homes. I did that job for a while, and it's incredibly hard work both physically and mentally/emotionally - and pays less than the bloke who serves you burgers in MacDonalds. What that says about our society's priorities I shudder to think.

****-Biker wrote:

sotonbev wrote:
Put it this way, if we end up having ourselves or loved ones in the hospital then the only thing we can do is stay by their side and make sure that the care and treatment is administered to the highest level, we cant have six or seven staff hanging about in the bay stations doing nothing while patients are suffering, be ware staff, you wouldn't want me kicking off,because I will do everything to get you all sacked (except the good ones of course) and there are some good ones up there, but the chiefs need to get a grip on this appalling situation and make sure this does not happen again, 1 death is bad enough but three possibly more is out of order.

Bev, whilst this is an emotive issue around failings by the hospital I don’t think saying that you “wouldn't want me kicking off,because I will do everything to get you all sacked” sounds quite threatening and you sound like the sort of person the SGH shouldn’t be letting in .

Obviously this would be my last result, but you bet your arm I would kick off if it saved my life or someone close to me, if I need to go into hospital I would expect to be looked after, wouldn't you? I really do not think its too much to ask, after all it is their job isn't it, I do my job well and so should everybody else in their chosen profession. So what your saying is because of what I would do you think I do not have the right to proper care, think again

I'm really surprised at the lack of Echo coverage of last night's meeting at the University which was addressed by Sir Robert Francis. His recent report into the Mid Staffordshire NHS Hospital Trust has been making the news over the last few weeks so I would have thought the Echo would have jumped at the chance to cover this meeting.

Sadly I couldn't make the meeting because of another commitment in London but I would have loved to heard what was said here.

Once again I feel badly let down by my only local daily newspaper. I think the editor needs to get his reporting priorities right.

cantthinkofone wrote:
Denham's on a total publicity trip in the wake of Francis. He'd like nothing more than for the General to be found to be like Staffs, because it would give him stacks of publicity and he could grandstand for votes.

The cases highlighted are unacceptable, as are some of the stories on here and on PatientOpinion, so improvements obviously need to be made. But the General's mortality rate remains better than statistically expected. Just google it, that's what I did.

The NHS has been messed around with to the point where it's at breaking point, but we're lucky that our local hospital is actually doing a lot *better* than most. I know some of the staff there, and they would be hugely upset to read some of the recent comments. I wouldn't be surprised if the negative publicity was enough to make them choose a better paid and easier job instead, and that would be an absolute disaster.

I doubt whether Denham himself would grandstand for votes; he is standing down at the next election. What you perhaps mean is that he would use the accumulated aggrandisement for a future Labour candidate.

Subject48 wrote:
@ stay local

I should think that while I work throughout my life and contribute, that when I do need treatement, I will not die due to "neglect" as you put it.

If you're happy about getting d1cked by the NHS and the chums in westminster then its your perogative.

It is sad that you resort to simple insults yet cannot comprehend an idea. I will try to put it more clearly.
Healthy people are not in hospital, only sick ones, the sick ones are more likely to die.

It is highly insulting to the many hard working and dedicated members of staff at all hospitals from cleaners, receptionists to surgeons and specialists. It is pathetic to suggest that they, as you suggest deliberately cause harm {and yes I am aware of the occasional person with severe mental health issues} Likewise to suggest that the "chums" at Westminster have a vested interests in increasing levels of illness and a death. Have you got an iota of evidence for this and please don't respond with alternative funding methods, as your allegation indicates deliberate harm being caused on. My comment was pointing out that in an establishment where there are many people problems will occur when messages are not passed, when it is assumed that someone else has completed something etc there are example from all walks of industry and business, but when it comes to a hospital you immediately it is a deliberate plan of some new world order

Donald2000 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
Denham's on a total publicity trip in the wake of Francis. He'd like nothing more than for the General to be found to be like Staffs, because it would give him stacks of publicity and he could grandstand for votes.

The cases highlighted are unacceptable, as are some of the stories on here and on PatientOpinion, so improvements obviously need to be made. But the General's mortality rate remains better than statistically expected. Just google it, that's what I did.

The NHS has been messed around with to the point where it's at breaking point, but we're lucky that our local hospital is actually doing a lot *better* than most. I know some of the staff there, and they would be hugely upset to read some of the recent comments. I wouldn't be surprised if the negative publicity was enough to make them choose a better paid and easier job instead, and that would be an absolute disaster.

I doubt whether Denham himself would grandstand for votes; he is standing down at the next election. What you perhaps mean is that he would use the accumulated aggrandisement for a future Labour candidate.

Fair point, but my comment still stands.

The General receives patients from far and wide. It takes patients that are too ill or too complicated for hospitals in the rest of Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex, Wiltshire, the Channel Islands, and beyond. Some of the services there like brain, heart, cancer, children, gynaecology and others have a national reputation - some international. Some of the doctors there are global leaders in their areas.

Yet we have muppets on here that refer to it as a 'death factory', accuse staff of deliberately 'killing' patients, and so on. And yes, here we have Denham grabbing a few column inches by sticking his oar in too.

No hospital should ever be happy, and should always be trying to improve. But I'm much happier having the General on my doorstep than the RHCH Winchester, or Poole hospital, or Dorchester, or Portsmouth, or any of the others. Some Southampton residents don't seem to have a clue how lucky we are.

I have a lot of friends and family that work in the NHS locally, and it's genuinely upsetting for them to see their dedication - to a badly paid sector under huge pressure, but which aims to do something good for society - libelled so gratuitously by a handful of ignorant idiots. Probably mainly idiots who earn their money by doing something that adds nothing to society at all as well.