Parents fury as future of city's children's heart unit is thrown into doubt (From Daily Echo)

Disgraceful following the initial ruling. Just proves, when powers that be want something shut, the voice of the people and democracy don't get a look in!

The NHS will never be safe in Capitalist hands.
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This is the real face of Capitalism
weather its Torys, Lib/dems, Labour, Greens, UKIP, BNP and others Capitalism will try and sell it off

It's unbelievable that children's heart unit have to close in the 1st place, even more unbelievable the process to close is and that the process will have most likely have to be done again.

Saving cash under the coalition, not on your life, oop's sorry their children's lives don't depend on it, the coalition MP's can take their children to private hospitals.

What a shambles!! All the delays and court hearings are destabalising the service and impacting on the quality of care for our children. The top Children's Heart Surgeons and Consultants in this country are leaving the NHS to move to greener pastures because of all the court wrangling! We are at risk of putting more children's lives at risk by not being able to move and implement some necessary improvements/changes to the service.

southy wrote:
The NHS will never be safe in Capitalist hands.
Red this it was highlighted by 38% and before them it was a SP member posting on the AVAAZ

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This is the real face of Capitalism
weather its Torys, Lib/dems, Labour, Greens, UKIP, BNP and others Capitalism will try and sell it off

Thanks, but I don't believe 90% of what I read on the internet, I can't remember who told us that...

But the nice Mr Cameron said that the NHS would be safe in his hands when he wanted our votes.

Isn't this about a part of the country that had millions of southern money pumped into it fighting to get our unit shut to keep theirs?
Please explain to me why when all experts in this field ,those working in those units said the units were to spread out & fewer units with all the experts working together would be much better than what it was why do we have the left wing idiots on here blaming the Government & why is that idiot Southy on here blaming capitalism ?
The Leeds Unit has done exactly as we did & got a petition up against closure but now those organising their petition have gone further & fought bit in the courts.
If you all heard the news it was the NHS review boards failure to run the process that the judge saw as being flawed it doesn't say anywhere that it was MP's or Capitalist's unless I heard & read the news wrong?

what are we doing we giving money to other countrys when we can not keep us afloat ever hospital should have a heart unit

i am lost for words this is country is going to rat s**t

Linesman wrote:
But the nice Mr Cameron said that the NHS would be safe in his hands when he wanted our votes.

Yes, you keep on saying that, over and over...

What's your big idea to help then?

All b*tching, no ideas...

Southampton's children's heart unit is not under any real threat now.

Worst case scenario is that Leeds etc get to stay open. But Southampton won't close because of it.

That's not good news for children elsewhere, because some of the other units are of a far lower quality than ours, and children will die unnecessarily because they don't have the number of cases needed to operate safely.

So realistically, the campaigners that have caused the decision to be overturned will have blood on their hands.

But at least they won't have to drive too far.

Hope the amount they save on petrol helps them sleep at night.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
The NHS will never be safe in Capitalist hands.
Red this it was highlighted by 38% and before them it was a SP member posting on the AVAAZ

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This is the real face of Capitalism
weather its Torys, Lib/dems, Labour, Greens, UKIP, BNP and others Capitalism will try and sell it off

Thanks, but I don't believe 90% of what I read on the internet, I can't remember who told us that...

Its not just on the interent, Its on Government papers, also on 38% also on AVAAZ, and was printed in the Daily Mirror paper, all saying the same.
So it go's far beyond internet. Been told BBC Newsnight also covered it.


It tells this Government plans to sale off the NHS to the highest bidder, but was stop by section-75, and this government finally amitting that they was block by a law to protect the NHS.

Southampton's children's heart unit is not under any real threat now.

Worst case scenario is that Leeds etc get to stay open. But Southampton won't close because of it.

That's not good news for children elsewhere, because some of the other units are of a far lower quality than ours, and children will die unnecessarily because they don't have the number of cases needed to operate safely.

So realistically, the campaigners that have caused the decision to be overturned will have blood on their hands.

But at least they won't have to drive too far.

Hope the amount they save on petrol helps them sleep at night.

Oops, double-post.

bigal007 wrote:
what are we doing we giving money to other countrys when we can not keep us afloat ever hospital should have a heart unit

i am lost for words this is country is going to rat s**t

It's absolutely NOTHING to do with being able to afford it.

Look, let me help...
>
- There aren't many children in the UK that need heart operations.
- If a surgeon does lots of them, s/he becomes very good at them.
- If s/he doesn't do many, fewer children survive the operation.
>
So for MORE children to live, you need FEWER places doing the operations.
>
It really is that simple. Practice makes perfect.

The knee-jerk tendency to blame the EU/foreigners/immigr
ants on here is ridiculous.

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:
But the nice Mr Cameron said that the NHS would be safe in his hands when he wanted our votes.

Yes, you keep on saying that, over and over...

What's your big idea to help then?

All b*tching, no ideas...

Reminding people, like you, the difference between what he said, and what is happening.

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:
But the nice Mr Cameron said that the NHS would be safe in his hands when he wanted our votes.

Yes, you keep on saying that, over and over...

What's your big idea to help then?

All b*tching, no ideas...

Pitchforks and torches.

cantthinkofone wrote:
The knee-jerk tendency to blame the EU/foreigners/immigr

ants on here is ridiculous.

As I've read your other post don't you think there's also a quick point of the finger by the left?
As you & I have said all the experts in this field have said we need fewer of these units.
this is a case of one of those units fighting to stay open which we did wasn't it?

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
The knee-jerk tendency to blame the EU/foreigners/immigr


ants on here is ridiculous.

As I've read your other post don't you think there's also a quick point of the finger by the left?
As you & I have said all the experts in this field have said we need fewer of these units.
this is a case of one of those units fighting to stay open which we did wasn't it?

Yes, and that fight to stay open is irresponsible and harmful to the survival chances of children.

Raxx wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
The knee-jerk tendency to blame the EU/foreigners/immigr



ants on here is ridiculous.

As I've read your other post don't you think there's also a quick point of the finger by the left?
As you & I have said all the experts in this field have said we need fewer of these units.
this is a case of one of those units fighting to stay open which we did wasn't it?

Yes, and that fight to stay open is irresponsible and harmful to the survival chances of children.

I agree

loosehead wrote:

Raxx wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
The knee-jerk tendency to blame the EU/foreigners/immigr




ants on here is ridiculous.

As I've read your other post don't you think there's also a quick point of the finger by the left?
As you & I have said all the experts in this field have said we need fewer of these units.
this is a case of one of those units fighting to stay open which we did wasn't it?

Yes, and that fight to stay open is irresponsible and harmful to the survival chances of children.

I agree

To clarify:

There IS a very good reason to campaign for our local unit to stay open.

It's because it has the 2nd best outcomes in the country.

Campaigning for its survival on that basis is commendable.

The campaigns to keep open the units earmarked for closure can't claim that kind of clinical quality though - which is why I see their actions as irresponsible and harmful.

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Raxx wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
The knee-jerk tendency to blame the EU/foreigners/immigr





ants on here is ridiculous.

As I've read your other post don't you think there's also a quick point of the finger by the left?
As you & I have said all the experts in this field have said we need fewer of these units.
this is a case of one of those units fighting to stay open which we did wasn't it?

Yes, and that fight to stay open is irresponsible and harmful to the survival chances of children.

I agree

To clarify:

There IS a very good reason to campaign for our local unit to stay open.

It's because it has the 2nd best outcomes in the country.

Campaigning for its survival on that basis is commendable.

The campaigns to keep open the units earmarked for closure can't claim that kind of clinical quality though - which is why I see their actions as irresponsible and harmful.

Posters on here are blaming a government all I've tried doing is pointing out the action taken by the NHS is what the experts (surgeons) wanted.
that was less heart units with specialists concentrated in fewer units they would become better than they are.
I pointed out this was a group of people who fought to keep the Leeds unit open as we did here.
Now it's that group who've gone to court & in the judges eyes have proven the NHS review board findings were flawed not the government's doing but a group of keep Leeds open.
they are doing what I hope we would do & that is look at every way to keep our unit open.
I hope their actions don't mean we are earmarked for closure or we should fight it as they have done shouldn't we?

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Raxx wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
The knee-jerk tendency to blame the EU/foreigners/immigr






ants on here is ridiculous.

As I've read your other post don't you think there's also a quick point of the finger by the left?
As you & I have said all the experts in this field have said we need fewer of these units.
this is a case of one of those units fighting to stay open which we did wasn't it?

Yes, and that fight to stay open is irresponsible and harmful to the survival chances of children.

I agree

To clarify:

There IS a very good reason to campaign for our local unit to stay open.

It's because it has the 2nd best outcomes in the country.

Campaigning for its survival on that basis is commendable.

The campaigns to keep open the units earmarked for closure can't claim that kind of clinical quality though - which is why I see their actions as irresponsible and harmful.

Posters on here are blaming a government all I've tried doing is pointing out the action taken by the NHS is what the experts (surgeons) wanted.
that was less heart units with specialists concentrated in fewer units they would become better than they are.
I pointed out this was a group of people who fought to keep the Leeds unit open as we did here.
Now it's that group who've gone to court & in the judges eyes have proven the NHS review board findings were flawed not the government's doing but a group of keep Leeds open.
they are doing what I hope we would do & that is look at every way to keep our unit open.
I hope their actions don't mean we are earmarked for closure or we should fight it as they have done shouldn't we?

We're not really disagreeing.

The key difference is WHY the closure should be fought.

If it were proposed again, closure of Southampton's children's cardiac service should be fought because the unit provides the best chances of survival. It's a world-class unit - literally. It's internationally renowned.

NOT just because it's on our doorstep.

Leeds cannot claim that.

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Raxx wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
The knee-jerk tendency to blame the EU/foreigners/immigr







ants on here is ridiculous.

As I've read your other post don't you think there's also a quick point of the finger by the left?
As you & I have said all the experts in this field have said we need fewer of these units.
this is a case of one of those units fighting to stay open which we did wasn't it?

Yes, and that fight to stay open is irresponsible and harmful to the survival chances of children.

I agree

To clarify:

There IS a very good reason to campaign for our local unit to stay open.

It's because it has the 2nd best outcomes in the country.

Campaigning for its survival on that basis is commendable.

The campaigns to keep open the units earmarked for closure can't claim that kind of clinical quality though - which is why I see their actions as irresponsible and harmful.

Posters on here are blaming a government all I've tried doing is pointing out the action taken by the NHS is what the experts (surgeons) wanted.
that was less heart units with specialists concentrated in fewer units they would become better than they are.
I pointed out this was a group of people who fought to keep the Leeds unit open as we did here.
Now it's that group who've gone to court & in the judges eyes have proven the NHS review board findings were flawed not the government's doing but a group of keep Leeds open.
they are doing what I hope we would do & that is look at every way to keep our unit open.
I hope their actions don't mean we are earmarked for closure or we should fight it as they have done shouldn't we?

We're not really disagreeing.

The key difference is WHY the closure should be fought.

If it were proposed again, closure of Southampton's children's cardiac service should be fought because the unit provides the best chances of survival. It's a world-class unit - literally. It's internationally renowned.

NOT just because it's on our doorstep.

Leeds cannot claim that.

I agree with this statement totally.