REVEALED: Fourth death after hospital blunder (From Daily Echo)

Good God people dying in hospitals whatever next, why has it become fashionable to apportion blame for everything, doctors nurses and hospitals are not infallible and even with their best efforts things go wrong yes its unfortunate but when you are dealing with something as complex as the human body nothing is a certainty. And taking legal action is not going to bring her back and any possible compensation will only take more funds from the N.H.S and i don't think it will help the grieving process either or maybe it will to some.

ohec wrote:
Good God people dying in hospitals whatever next, why has it become fashionable to apportion blame for everything, doctors nurses and hospitals are not infallible and even with their best efforts things go wrong yes its unfortunate but when you are dealing with something as complex as the human body nothing is a certainty. And taking legal action is not going to bring her back and any possible compensation will only take more funds from the N.H.S and i don't think it will help the grieving process either or maybe it will to some.

Well said.

You are half right, a mistake is one thing.

Consistent negligent behavior and practice is another thing entirely.

Subject48 wrote:
You are half right, a mistake is one thing.

Consistent negligent behavior and practice is another thing entirely.

Treating about 200,000 people every year (according to their website) - is four SNAFU's really "Consistent negligent behavior and practice"?

I make that 0.002%

I'm sure there are more, but you see the point I'm sure.

All I said consistent negligible behavior would not be desirable. Or at least I assumed an intelligent reader would be able to infer as much.

There are ongoing enquiries as I’m sure you are aware, so if you have access to all the evidence I implore you to save the government time and money and share your extensive information with them.

Until all the cards are down I’m holding onto my chips.

ohec wrote:
Good God people dying in hospitals whatever next, why has it become fashionable to apportion blame for everything, doctors nurses and hospitals are not infallible and even with their best efforts things go wrong yes its unfortunate but when you are dealing with something as complex as the human body nothing is a certainty. And taking legal action is not going to bring her back and any possible compensation will only take more funds from the N.H.S and i don't think it will help the grieving process either or maybe it will to some.

Very disrespectful!

sainty84 wrote:

ohec wrote: Good God people dying in hospitals whatever next, why has it become fashionable to apportion blame for everything, doctors nurses and hospitals are not infallible and even with their best efforts things go wrong yes its unfortunate but when you are dealing with something as complex as the human body nothing is a certainty. And taking legal action is not going to bring her back and any possible compensation will only take more funds from the N.H.S and i don't think it will help the grieving process either or maybe it will to some.

Very disrespectful!

it's true though

I have never read a newspaper that is so 'anti' its local hospital. There is never a positive thing to say about it. I am a Southampton University student and have seen the fantastic work that is done here. The hospital is a national referral centre with some of the best medical minds in the country/world yet it seems to get slated repeatedly here. The staff do a fantastic job and yes there may be occassions where it needs improvement. This paper just paints a picture of a death centre. Never commented on a story before but this just ticks me off massively.

cc31g08 wrote:
I have never read a newspaper that is so 'anti' its local hospital. There is never a positive thing to say about it. I am a Southampton University student and have seen the fantastic work that is done here. The hospital is a national referral centre with some of the best medical minds in the country/world yet it seems to get slated repeatedly here. The staff do a fantastic job and yes there may be occassions where it needs improvement. This paper just paints a picture of a death centre. Never commented on a story before but this just ticks me off massively.

You and many others. It's nasty, irresponsible, sub-tabloid journalism. I'm sure it's one of the major reasons the Echo is held in such low regard by many local people.

One of the few things Southampton has to be proud of, yet subject to unrelenting negativity.

Quite frankly, I'm appalled by some members of staff. My 18 month old nephew was recently taken in for an operation, after which they forgot to issue painkillers. Poor little soul was screaming in pain and they couldn't work out why.

And days later he was back in, vomiting blood and although many other young children were given treatment, he was left to sit on a chair for 7 hours. Disgusting behaviour.

Fluffinator wrote:
Quite frankly, I'm appalled by some members of staff. My 18 month old nephew was recently taken in for an operation, after which they forgot to issue painkillers. Poor little soul was screaming in pain and they couldn't work out why. And days later he was back in, vomiting blood and although many other young children were given treatment, he was left to sit on a chair for 7 hours. Disgusting behaviour.

Did you complain about it? to the Hospital managers or PAL's or the CQC?

****-Biker wrote:

Fluffinator wrote:
Quite frankly, I'm appalled by some members of staff. My 18 month old nephew was recently taken in for an operation, after which they forgot to issue painkillers. Poor little soul was screaming in pain and they couldn't work out why. And days later he was back in, vomiting blood and although many other young children were given treatment, he was left to sit on a chair for 7 hours. Disgusting behaviour.

Did you complain about it? to the Hospital managers or PAL's or the CQC?

I believe my sister has. As to what is being done, I have no idea.

Fluffinator wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Fluffinator wrote: Quite frankly, I'm appalled by some members of staff. My 18 month old nephew was recently taken in for an operation, after which they forgot to issue painkillers. Poor little soul was screaming in pain and they couldn't work out why. And days later he was back in, vomiting blood and although many other young children were given treatment, he was left to sit on a chair for 7 hours. Disgusting behaviour.

Did you complain about it? to the Hospital managers or PAL's or the CQC?

I believe my sister has. As to what is being done, I have no idea.

CQC are a good one to complain to,they have powers to close wards if they deem it necessary

0ne error is one thing but its happening more often these days. As I siad on this subject a few days ago maybe get rid of some of the managers and get more nurses on the wards, i feel for the nurses, they are stretched to capacity and whilst they'd like to be there for individual people they just havent the time because there aren't enough of them

sparkster wrote:
0ne error is one thing but its happening more often these days. As I siad on this subject a few days ago maybe get rid of some of the managers and get more nurses on the wards, i feel for the nurses, they are stretched to capacity and whilst they'd like to be there for individual people they just havent the time because there aren't enough of them

Definitely need more nurses.

But the 'too many managers' thing is a red herring. It's just a catchy headline for the tabloids to be honest. The NHS spends a *smaller* proportion on management/admin than almost any other healthcare system globally.

And personally, I don't want doctors and nurses spending their time dealing with contracts, finances, supplies etc - I want them caring for patients.

If the NHS got rid of some of the mountain of bureaucracy and multiple regulation then some of it wouldn't be needed, but the hospitals don't have a choice themselves.

Fluffinator wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Fluffinator wrote:
Quite frankly, I'm appalled by some members of staff. My 18 month old nephew was recently taken in for an operation, after which they forgot to issue painkillers. Poor little soul was screaming in pain and they couldn't work out why. And days later he was back in, vomiting blood and although many other young children were given treatment, he was left to sit on a chair for 7 hours. Disgusting behaviour.

Did you complain about it? to the Hospital managers or PAL's or the CQC?

I believe my sister has. As to what is being done, I have no idea.

Good. It's *really* important that we all highlight the problems when they happen.

If hospitals/GPs/walk-i
n-centres etc keep acting on the complaints that they receive, then things will keep being improved to try and stop it happening again. Ask any other Quality professional in manufacturing or industry - complaints are really valuable!

I think the NHS have finally 'got' this in the last decade actually - but just at the point when they're ready to make a great leap forwards they're having the carpet ripped out from under them by the coalition. :-(

cantthinkofone wrote:

sparkster wrote: 0ne error is one thing but its happening more often these days. As I siad on this subject a few days ago maybe get rid of some of the managers and get more nurses on the wards, i feel for the nurses, they are stretched to capacity and whilst they'd like to be there for individual people they just havent the time because there aren't enough of them

Definitely need more nurses. But the 'too many managers' thing is a red herring. It's just a catchy headline for the tabloids to be honest. The NHS spends a *smaller* proportion on management/admin than almost any other healthcare system globally. And personally, I don't want doctors and nurses spending their time dealing with contracts, finances, supplies etc - I want them caring for patients. If the NHS got rid of some of the mountain of bureaucracy and multiple regulation then some of it wouldn't be needed, but the hospitals don't have a choice themselves.

There is no 'red herring' when it comes to too many managers. Speaking from experience, there have never so many managers walking around doing so many menial trasks while trying to justify their title they have been given.

Doctors and or nurses would not be dealing with contracts, finances supplies ect. as they have always been taken care of by people in those relevant departments, as they always had before.

The bureaucracy and paperwork that you mention and takes up far too much time in a hospital, is due to regulations and procedures that these managers impose on other staff members who then spend less time dealing with patient care.

One matron, that are virtually unheard of nowadays in certain hospitals, has alot more experience and knowledge and would be of alot more use in a hospital than people who get paid more to do less, and have no nursing backround to speak of.

David Icke wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

sparkster wrote: 0ne error is one thing but its happening more often these days. As I siad on this subject a few days ago maybe get rid of some of the managers and get more nurses on the wards, i feel for the nurses, they are stretched to capacity and whilst they'd like to be there for individual people they just havent the time because there aren't enough of them

Definitely need more nurses. But the 'too many managers' thing is a red herring. It's just a catchy headline for the tabloids to be honest. The NHS spends a *smaller* proportion on management/admin than almost any other healthcare system globally. And personally, I don't want doctors and nurses spending their time dealing with contracts, finances, supplies etc - I want them caring for patients. If the NHS got rid of some of the mountain of bureaucracy and multiple regulation then some of it wouldn't be needed, but the hospitals don't have a choice themselves.

There is no 'red herring' when it comes to too many managers. Speaking from experience, there have never so many managers walking around doing so many menial trasks while trying to justify their title they have been given.

Doctors and or nurses would not be dealing with contracts, finances supplies ect. as they have always been taken care of by people in those relevant departments, as they always had before.

The bureaucracy and paperwork that you mention and takes up far too much time in a hospital, is due to regulations and procedures that these managers impose on other staff members who then spend less time dealing with patient care.

One matron, that are virtually unheard of nowadays in certain hospitals, has alot more experience and knowledge and would be of alot more use in a hospital than people who get paid more to do less, and have no nursing backround to speak of.

The people in 'those relevant departments' dealing with finance, supplies etc ARE the managers! Sheesh!

The regulations and procedures that the managers "impose" are virtually ALL handed down from above - DH, commissioners, Monitor, CQC, etc etc etc. I know this because I've worked for two of the organisations in that list and spent considerable effort pleading with them to change it!

I suggest you ask the General how many Matrons they have. From my limited knowledge, I estimate that they have DOZENS. many of their seniot management have clinical backgrounds as well - that's a matter of public record for anyone who can be bothered to find out.

I'm afraid your username is unfortunately fitting.

Please read and take in what i'm saying before you reply next time.

Every department has always had a manager in charge of their departments, which us why they are called 'managers' This is not a case of having too many, and is not a problem, or the point of what is being said.

Having too many, as i'll repeat for your benefit, are the ones who come from a more business and goal related background, purely un-medical, with no proper healthcare history, that are employed due to red tape and cost cutting.
These never used to exist, as much, as they do now, in a time when hospitals were more about medicinal than managerial.

And obviously, bad outcomes come from bad management. Of course we need managers in any sort of business, but we need fewer and better.

I remember asking a particular 'person in charge' of a certain hospital what the title was of a newly appointed staff manager, where after around a minute of silence and looking into space, the words 'in charge of corridors', and 'Meet and greet liasion' were mentioned.

Please don't state the blindingly obvious fact that large hospitals like the S.G.H have medical matrons, as that has nothing to do with what i at first said whatsoever.

They are not widely heard of in every hospital as much as they were, and some low standards that exist in certain hospitals, were virtually unheard of back in the day, in certain hospitals.

If your username suggests trying to come up with any valid points to what i am saying, then it is also very apt.

You've ignored the points entirely, and answered questions that nobody asked.

Typical conspiraloon behaviour.

what about all the people they save , all the lives they save ? they saved my wifes life 2 years ago, & i praise southampton general hospital & their specialist & nurses & doctors FOR THE LIFE SAVING WORK THEY DO . ouR NHS is great too , it is the government funding cuts that is costing lives, but our NHS is the pride of this country, would people rather have a 3rd world hospital where you wait for days before your even seen & thats if you are lucky. be thankful for what we have got. i just feel for the family who lost their loved one & sometimes we all look for closure when a death goes unexplained , medical negligence can be very hard & expensive to prove in some cases.

Me thinks there may be a person posting on here with more than one identity

Talking about those with more than one identity but not necessarily on this particular story Georgem and George4th you never see them online together and andysaint and andysaint007 again never see those two together

Talking about those with more than one identity but not necessarily on this particular story Georgem and George4th you never see them online together and andysaint and andysaint007 again never see those two together

Those two posts directly above this one look very similar IMO...

Hmm.

oh no two **** bikers!