32 sue over cruise sickness nightmare (From Daily Echo)

I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

loosehead wrote:
I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard.

I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands.

Is it the same crew?

Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus?

Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected?

Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Can't the Echo employ competent journalists for their unreadable web copy or at the least employ a proof reader?

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote: I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard. I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands. Is it the same crew? Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus? Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected? Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Not necessarily. A passenger could bring it on board. 3000 people eating sleeping and poohing in close quarters. An ideal environment for the spread of something like Novovirus. Deep clean

thinklikealocal wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote: I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard. I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands. Is it the same crew? Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus? Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected? Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Not necessarily. A passenger could bring it on board. 3000 people eating sleeping and poohing in close quarters. An ideal environment for the spread of something like Novovirus. Deep clean

To finish my post! Deep clean is only as good as the first dirty paw touching a handrail followed by many others.

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote: I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard. I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands. Is it the same crew? Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus? Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected? Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Linesman is right. These sorts of questions need to be asked and answered accurately before any conclusions as to "blame" can be reached.

thinklikealocal wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote: I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard. I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands. Is it the same crew? Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus? Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected? Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Not necessarily. A passenger could bring it on board. 3000 people eating sleeping and poohing in close quarters. An ideal environment for the spread of something like Novovirus. Deep clean

"A passenger 'COULD' bring it onboard."

That's true, but why does this passenger always seem to get on a cruise ship at Southampton?

There are hundreds, if not thousands of cruise ships, of various sizes sailing from many ports, but Southampton appears to have cornered the market on this virus.

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard.

I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands.

Is it the same crew?

Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus?

Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected?

Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Say what???
.
Norovirus outbreaks happen in Southampton EVERY year. The same goes for any other city.
.
Norovirus is highly contagious, and incredibly difficult to contain. It's not a sign of an unhygienic ship, or hotel, or any other place it breaks out.
.
It's unfortunate that their holidays were spoiled a bit by 48hrs of D&V, but unfortunate is about *all* it is. A lawsuit is ridiculous and unjustified. There are other bugs that would be more indicative of poor hygiene practices on the ship, and would warrant it, but not Noro.
.
The lawsuit is sharp practice by the lawyers and/or pure greed by the passengers. P&O will field a couple of expert witnesses, and it will be shot to pieces. I hope the judge makes them pick up the costs when booting it out of court.

Re the costs - the law firm and/or passengers I mean, rather than P&O.

Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

That has to be parody. Has to be......

cantthinkofone wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard.

I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands.

Is it the same crew?

Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus?

Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected?

Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Say what???
.
Norovirus outbreaks happen in Southampton EVERY year. The same goes for any other city.
.
Norovirus is highly contagious, and incredibly difficult to contain. It's not a sign of an unhygienic ship, or hotel, or any other place it breaks out.
.
It's unfortunate that their holidays were spoiled a bit by 48hrs of D&V, but unfortunate is about *all* it is. A lawsuit is ridiculous and unjustified. There are other bugs that would be more indicative of poor hygiene practices on the ship, and would warrant it, but not Noro.
.
The lawsuit is sharp practice by the lawyers and/or pure greed by the passengers. P&O will field a couple of expert witnesses, and it will be shot to pieces. I hope the judge makes them pick up the costs when booting it out of court.

If P&O watched the local news bulletin & contacts the passengers who never got this & followed the advice from the Captain & the crew these people will lose their case!maybe they should sue the person who came on board not feeling well & ending up in sick bay the next morning?

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard.

I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands.

Is it the same crew?

Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus?

Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected?

Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Say what???
.
Norovirus outbreaks happen in Southampton EVERY year. The same goes for any other city.
.
Norovirus is highly contagious, and incredibly difficult to contain. It's not a sign of an unhygienic ship, or hotel, or any other place it breaks out.
.
It's unfortunate that their holidays were spoiled a bit by 48hrs of D&V, but unfortunate is about *all* it is. A lawsuit is ridiculous and unjustified. There are other bugs that would be more indicative of poor hygiene practices on the ship, and would warrant it, but not Noro.
.
The lawsuit is sharp practice by the lawyers and/or pure greed by the passengers. P&O will field a couple of expert witnesses, and it will be shot to pieces. I hope the judge makes them pick up the costs when booting it out of court.

If P&O watched the local news bulletin & contacts the passengers who never got this & followed the advice from the Captain & the crew these people will lose their case!maybe they should sue the person who came on board not feeling well & ending up in sick bay the next morning?

These people *will* lose their case. They're either having their judgement blinded by greed, or being taken for mugs by the law firm. Probably a little of both to be honest.

Linesman wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote: I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard. I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands. Is it the same crew? Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus? Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected? Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Not necessarily. A passenger could bring it on board. 3000 people eating sleeping and poohing in close quarters. An ideal environment for the spread of something like Novovirus. Deep clean

"A passenger 'COULD' bring it onboard."

That's true, but why does this passenger always seem to get on a cruise ship at Southampton?

There are hundreds, if not thousands of cruise ships, of various sizes sailing from many ports, but Southampton appears to have cornered the market on this virus.

You probably don't hear about the others cos the Echo is only interested in the ship sailing from Southampton?

Linesman wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote: I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard. I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands. Is it the same crew? Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus? Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected? Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Not necessarily. A passenger could bring it on board. 3000 people eating sleeping and poohing in close quarters. An ideal environment for the spread of something like Novovirus. Deep clean

"A passenger 'COULD' bring it onboard."

That's true, but why does this passenger always seem to get on a cruise ship at Southampton?

There are hundreds, if not thousands of cruise ships, of various sizes sailing from many ports, but Southampton appears to have cornered the market on this virus.

From Sky News site 4 days ago:

the Royal Caribbean vessel, carrying 1,991 passengers, docked back in Port Everglades, Florida on Friday, after the illness was reported within hours of the ship setting off.

"Vision of the Seas experienced an elevated number of persons with a gastrointestinal illness on its last sailing," Royal Caribbean International said in a statement.

Some 105 passengers and three crew members were said to have fallen ill.

Norovirus is a highly contagious illness that can spread through contact with an infected person or by contaminated surfaces and objects.


Some 194 passengers fell ill on the Queen Mary 2 in December

It causes severe stomach cramps, vomiting and diarrhoea, as well as a high temperature, headache and aching limbs.

The only treatment is to let the bug run its course – it usually lasts a few days - although those suffering from it can become dehydrated.

Friday's outbreak is just the latest in a number of cruise ship mishaps in recent months.

In December two other cruise ships sailing in the Caribbean reported norovirus outbreaks.


Relieved passengers disembark from the disabled Carnival cruise ship

Cunard's Queen Mary 2 reported 194 passengers and 11 crew members became unwell after the vessel left New York on December 22 for a 10-day cruise.

Days later Princess Cruises' Emerald Princess ship returned early to Fort Lauderdale when 189 passengers and 31 crew members were taken ill.

cantthinkofone wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard.

I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands.

Is it the same crew?

Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus?

Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected?

Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Say what???
.
Norovirus outbreaks happen in Southampton EVERY year. The same goes for any other city.
.
Norovirus is highly contagious, and incredibly difficult to contain. It's not a sign of an unhygienic ship, or hotel, or any other place it breaks out.
.
It's unfortunate that their holidays were spoiled a bit by 48hrs of D&V, but unfortunate is about *all* it is. A lawsuit is ridiculous and unjustified. There are other bugs that would be more indicative of poor hygiene practices on the ship, and would warrant it, but not Noro.
.
The lawsuit is sharp practice by the lawyers and/or pure greed by the passengers. P&O will field a couple of expert witnesses, and it will be shot to pieces. I hope the judge makes them pick up the costs when booting it out of court.

"The lawsuit is ridiculous and unjustified. The lawsuit is sharp practice...."


My betting is that, if you had paid hundreds, possibly thousands of pounds on a cruise, and spent your time either sat on the bog, or with your head down it, you would be joining those who wanted some recompense.

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

My father & my two eldest brothers were seamen & my brothers both lost their jobs when John Prescott sold them out.
Just remember it was a SOCIALIST who was the then head of the seamans union who received a free holiday at the same time as a letter was sent to Cunard from his office saying they could hire non British Crews on board British Flagged ships,
ask the dockies who hanged him over the edge of the docks what a great socialist he is.
Back in those days we had the vomiting bug in hospitals but seemed not to get it on ships I query if it had anything to do with the make up of crews & I get called a racist? didn't know Queens were a separate race?

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

It was only a matter of time before you had to bring politics into it.

Linesman wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I heard several passengers who never got the Norovirus say that passengers weren't washing their hands with the gel provided & those that did were okay so who's fault is it?

The point is, it is happening onboard.

I have heard of no outbreak of Norovirus in Southampton, or elsewhere for that matter, and I guess that there are plenty of people in the City who do not wash their hands.

Is it the same crew?

Is one of them a 'carrier' of the virus?

Are cruise ships sailing from other ports affected?

Whatever the answers, it would appear that 'deep cleaning' the ship does not cure the problem.

Say what???
.
Norovirus outbreaks happen in Southampton EVERY year. The same goes for any other city.
.
Norovirus is highly contagious, and incredibly difficult to contain. It's not a sign of an unhygienic ship, or hotel, or any other place it breaks out.
.
It's unfortunate that their holidays were spoiled a bit by 48hrs of D&V, but unfortunate is about *all* it is. A lawsuit is ridiculous and unjustified. There are other bugs that would be more indicative of poor hygiene practices on the ship, and would warrant it, but not Noro.
.
The lawsuit is sharp practice by the lawyers and/or pure greed by the passengers. P&O will field a couple of expert witnesses, and it will be shot to pieces. I hope the judge makes them pick up the costs when booting it out of court.

"The lawsuit is ridiculous and unjustified. The lawsuit is sharp practice...."


My betting is that, if you had paid hundreds, possibly thousands of pounds on a cruise, and spent your time either sat on the bog, or with your head down it, you would be joining those who wanted some recompense.

The person who should be sued is the one who was feeling sick but still went on board because they'd paid for it wouldn't you agree?
Or the ones who were advised by the Captain & the crew to use the Gel provided when going around the ship but ignored the advice & got sick/

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

It was only a matter of time before you had to bring politics into it.

Shoong the problem with their argument is it was a corrupt Union official who sold out his members & then became Deputy Leader of the Labour Party not a Tory Government so really showing to much power leads to a corruption of power as with Precott & Scargill

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

My father & my two eldest brothers were seamen & my brothers both lost their jobs when John Prescott sold them out.
Just remember it was a SOCIALIST who was the then head of the seamans union who received a free holiday at the same time as a letter was sent to Cunard from his office saying they could hire non British Crews on board British Flagged ships,
ask the dockies who hanged him over the edge of the docks what a great socialist he is.
Back in those days we had the vomiting bug in hospitals but seemed not to get it on ships I query if it had anything to do with the make up of crews & I get called a racist? didn't know Queens were a separate race?

I say something clearly racist, and then go on to stereotype homosexuals, and people accuse me of believing in bigoted stereotypes! Whatever next!!!

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

My father & my two eldest brothers were seamen & my brothers both lost their jobs when John Prescott sold them out.
Just remember it was a SOCIALIST who was the then head of the seamans union who received a free holiday at the same time as a letter was sent to Cunard from his office saying they could hire non British Crews on board British Flagged ships,
ask the dockies who hanged him over the edge of the docks what a great socialist he is.
Back in those days we had the vomiting bug in hospitals but seemed not to get it on ships I query if it had anything to do with the make up of crews & I get called a racist? didn't know Queens were a separate race?

I say something clearly racist, and then go on to stereotype homosexuals, and people accuse me of believing in bigoted stereotypes! Whatever next!!!

Please don't give me that, My wife & my friend is gay he came to our wedding & we went to barbecues at his house,
It was spotless & he had Gay friends there & I said GOD K++++ house is spotless & they said no it's not you should see mine!
My brothers told me how picky those on board ship were when it comes to cleanliness I personally think this is a compliment to Gay men I would not try to categorise them or Dis them.
many of my work mates refused to go to our wedding because the Gay was going stop him & we'll come well they didn't come as I'd rather he came than idiots like that

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

My father & my two eldest brothers were seamen & my brothers both lost their jobs when John Prescott sold them out.
Just remember it was a SOCIALIST who was the then head of the seamans union who received a free holiday at the same time as a letter was sent to Cunard from his office saying they could hire non British Crews on board British Flagged ships,
ask the dockies who hanged him over the edge of the docks what a great socialist he is.
Back in those days we had the vomiting bug in hospitals but seemed not to get it on ships I query if it had anything to do with the make up of crews & I get called a racist? didn't know Queens were a separate race?

I say something clearly racist, and then go on to stereotype homosexuals, and people accuse me of believing in bigoted stereotypes! Whatever next!!!

Please don't give me that, My wife & my friend is gay he came to our wedding & we went to barbecues at his house,
It was spotless & he had Gay friends there & I said GOD K++++ house is spotless & they said no it's not you should see mine!
My brothers told me how picky those on board ship were when it comes to cleanliness I personally think this is a compliment to Gay men I would not try to categorise them or Dis them.
many of my work mates refused to go to our wedding because the Gay was going stop him & we'll come well they didn't come as I'd rather he came than idiots like that

Some of your best friends are black eh.

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

My father & my two eldest brothers were seamen & my brothers both lost their jobs when John Prescott sold them out.
Just remember it was a SOCIALIST who was the then head of the seamans union who received a free holiday at the same time as a letter was sent to Cunard from his office saying they could hire non British Crews on board British Flagged ships,
ask the dockies who hanged him over the edge of the docks what a great socialist he is.
Back in those days we had the vomiting bug in hospitals but seemed not to get it on ships I query if it had anything to do with the make up of crews & I get called a racist? didn't know Queens were a separate race?

I say something clearly racist, and then go on to stereotype homosexuals, and people accuse me of believing in bigoted stereotypes! Whatever next!!!

Please don't give me that, My wife & my friend is gay he came to our wedding & we went to barbecues at his house,
It was spotless & he had Gay friends there & I said GOD K++++ house is spotless & they said no it's not you should see mine!
My brothers told me how picky those on board ship were when it comes to cleanliness I personally think this is a compliment to Gay men I would not try to categorise them or Dis them.
many of my work mates refused to go to our wedding because the Gay was going stop him & we'll come well they didn't come as I'd rather he came than idiots like that

Some of your best friends are black eh.

Actually I let an Asian guy use my spare room & Yes I use to hang around with a black guy Oh! my niece sent me a birth day card with best Uncle on it & she's mixed race so come on what else are you going to call me?

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

My father & my two eldest brothers were seamen & my brothers both lost their jobs when John Prescott sold them out.
Just remember it was a SOCIALIST who was the then head of the seamans union who received a free holiday at the same time as a letter was sent to Cunard from his office saying they could hire non British Crews on board British Flagged ships,
ask the dockies who hanged him over the edge of the docks what a great socialist he is.
Back in those days we had the vomiting bug in hospitals but seemed not to get it on ships I query if it had anything to do with the make up of crews & I get called a racist? didn't know Queens were a separate race?

I say something clearly racist, and then go on to stereotype homosexuals, and people accuse me of believing in bigoted stereotypes! Whatever next!!!

Please don't give me that, My wife & my friend is gay he came to our wedding & we went to barbecues at his house,
It was spotless & he had Gay friends there & I said GOD K++++ house is spotless & they said no it's not you should see mine!
My brothers told me how picky those on board ship were when it comes to cleanliness I personally think this is a compliment to Gay men I would not try to categorise them or Dis them.
many of my work mates refused to go to our wedding because the Gay was going stop him & we'll come well they didn't come as I'd rather he came than idiots like that

Some of your best friends are black eh.

Actually I let an Asian guy use my spare room & Yes I use to hang around with a black guy Oh! my niece sent me a birth day card with best Uncle on it & she's mixed race so come on what else are you going to call me?

I don't need to call you anything. You've done an ample job of it yourself.

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

My father & my two eldest brothers were seamen & my brothers both lost their jobs when John Prescott sold them out.
Just remember it was a SOCIALIST who was the then head of the seamans union who received a free holiday at the same time as a letter was sent to Cunard from his office saying they could hire non British Crews on board British Flagged ships,
ask the dockies who hanged him over the edge of the docks what a great socialist he is.
Back in those days we had the vomiting bug in hospitals but seemed not to get it on ships I query if it had anything to do with the make up of crews & I get called a racist? didn't know Queens were a separate race?

I say something clearly racist, and then go on to stereotype homosexuals, and people accuse me of believing in bigoted stereotypes! Whatever next!!!

Please don't give me that, My wife & my friend is gay he came to our wedding & we went to barbecues at his house,
It was spotless & he had Gay friends there & I said GOD K++++ house is spotless & they said no it's not you should see mine!
My brothers told me how picky those on board ship were when it comes to cleanliness I personally think this is a compliment to Gay men I would not try to categorise them or Dis them.
many of my work mates refused to go to our wedding because the Gay was going stop him & we'll come well they didn't come as I'd rather he came than idiots like that

Some of your best friends are black eh.

Actually I let an Asian guy use my spare room & Yes I use to hang around with a black guy Oh! my niece sent me a birth day card with best Uncle on it & she's mixed race so come on what else are you going to call me?

I don't need to call you anything. You've done an ample job of it yourself.

I haven't resorted in any way to calling you names or to make you out to be something your not so why are you insinuating I'm these things?

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

My father & my two eldest brothers were seamen & my brothers both lost their jobs when John Prescott sold them out.
Just remember it was a SOCIALIST who was the then head of the seamans union who received a free holiday at the same time as a letter was sent to Cunard from his office saying they could hire non British Crews on board British Flagged ships,
ask the dockies who hanged him over the edge of the docks what a great socialist he is.
Back in those days we had the vomiting bug in hospitals but seemed not to get it on ships I query if it had anything to do with the make up of crews & I get called a racist? didn't know Queens were a separate race?

I say something clearly racist, and then go on to stereotype homosexuals, and people accuse me of believing in bigoted stereotypes! Whatever next!!!

Please don't give me that, My wife & my friend is gay he came to our wedding & we went to barbecues at his house,
It was spotless & he had Gay friends there & I said GOD K++++ house is spotless & they said no it's not you should see mine!
My brothers told me how picky those on board ship were when it comes to cleanliness I personally think this is a compliment to Gay men I would not try to categorise them or Dis them.
many of my work mates refused to go to our wedding because the Gay was going stop him & we'll come well they didn't come as I'd rather he came than idiots like that

Some of your best friends are black eh.

Actually I let an Asian guy use my spare room & Yes I use to hang around with a black guy Oh! my niece sent me a birth day card with best Uncle on it & she's mixed race so come on what else are you going to call me?

I don't need to call you anything. You've done an ample job of it yourself.

I haven't resorted in any way to calling you names or to make you out to be something your not so why are you insinuating I'm these things?

Because from what you've posted, it's evident that you hold some very stereotyped views of certain demographics.
.
You may well be a lovely bloke in many respects, but your posts betray some very dodgy thinking in that regard.
.
The irony is that some of your responses conform to a different stereotype altogether.

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

My father & my two eldest brothers were seamen & my brothers both lost their jobs when John Prescott sold them out.
Just remember it was a SOCIALIST who was the then head of the seamans union who received a free holiday at the same time as a letter was sent to Cunard from his office saying they could hire non British Crews on board British Flagged ships,
ask the dockies who hanged him over the edge of the docks what a great socialist he is.
Back in those days we had the vomiting bug in hospitals but seemed not to get it on ships I query if it had anything to do with the make up of crews & I get called a racist? didn't know Queens were a separate race?

I say something clearly racist, and then go on to stereotype homosexuals, and people accuse me of believing in bigoted stereotypes! Whatever next!!!

Please don't give me that, My wife & my friend is gay he came to our wedding & we went to barbecues at his house,
It was spotless & he had Gay friends there & I said GOD K++++ house is spotless & they said no it's not you should see mine!
My brothers told me how picky those on board ship were when it comes to cleanliness I personally think this is a compliment to Gay men I would not try to categorise them or Dis them.
many of my work mates refused to go to our wedding because the Gay was going stop him & we'll come well they didn't come as I'd rather he came than idiots like that

Some of your best friends are black eh.

Actually I let an Asian guy use my spare room & Yes I use to hang around with a black guy Oh! my niece sent me a birth day card with best Uncle on it & she's mixed race so come on what else are you going to call me?

I don't need to call you anything. You've done an ample job of it yourself.

I haven't resorted in any way to calling you names or to make you out to be something your not so why are you insinuating I'm these things?

Because from what you've posted, it's evident that you hold some very stereotyped views of certain demographics.
.
You may well be a lovely bloke in many respects, but your posts betray some very dodgy thinking in that regard.
.
The irony is that some of your responses conform to a different stereotype altogether.

my wife is Thai,I gave an Indian workmate a place to stay when his marriage was breaking up,
We had a very good friend who was gay but just because I mention how some queens are over the top on cleanliness I'm putting them all into one category?
I have friends & family who've worked on cruise ships & they all say how clean it is due to the queens so sorry but I'm not trying to be derogatory about any group of people

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong doesn't the General Hospital & weren't there quite a few hospitals with this, this winter? isn't
it called the Winter vomiting bug?
I've asked if the cruise companies have eased off of cleaning as thoroughly as they use to when they had British crews?
I was called a racist? I remember the QE2 & the crew on board that ship when it was a British crewed ship.
there were many Queens in the crew & sorry to say this but they do clean a lot more than many straight people do so maybe that's why it's so different now with foreign crews?
But I saw the program where they interviewed passengers & some one was admitted into the surgery the day after they left & that person had it when they boarded the ship & all passengers were warned to use the Alcohol based gel when going from one part of the ship to the next but many ignored it so exactly who's to blame?

As a True Blue Tory, I am surprised that you raised the question of British crews.

P&O are in business, which means they wish to maximise profits, so they employ the cheapest labour that they can. That is why they are registered abroad.

My father & my two eldest brothers were seamen & my brothers both lost their jobs when John Prescott sold them out.
Just remember it was a SOCIALIST who was the then head of the seamans union who received a free holiday at the same time as a letter was sent to Cunard from his office saying they could hire non British Crews on board British Flagged ships,
ask the dockies who hanged him over the edge of the docks what a great socialist he is.
Back in those days we had the vomiting bug in hospitals but seemed not to get it on ships I query if it had anything to do with the make up of crews & I get called a racist? didn't know Queens were a separate race?

I say something clearly racist, and then go on to stereotype homosexuals, and people accuse me of believing in bigoted stereotypes! Whatever next!!!

Please don't give me that, My wife & my friend is gay he came to our wedding & we went to barbecues at his house,
It was spotless & he had Gay friends there & I said GOD K++++ house is spotless & they said no it's not you should see mine!
My brothers told me how picky those on board ship were when it comes to cleanliness I personally think this is a compliment to Gay men I would not try to categorise them or Dis them.
many of my work mates refused to go to our wedding because the Gay was going stop him & we'll come well they didn't come as I'd rather he came than idiots like that

Some of your best friends are black eh.

Actually I let an Asian guy use my spare room & Yes I use to hang around with a black guy Oh! my niece sent me a birth day card with best Uncle on it & she's mixed race so come on what else are you going to call me?

I don't need to call you anything. You've done an ample job of it yourself.

I haven't resorted in any way to calling you names or to make you out to be something your not so why are you insinuating I'm these things?

Because from what you've posted, it's evident that you hold some very stereotyped views of certain demographics.
.
You may well be a lovely bloke in many respects, but your posts betray some very dodgy thinking in that regard.
.
The irony is that some of your responses conform to a different stereotype altogether.

my wife is Thai,I gave an Indian workmate a place to stay when his marriage was breaking up,
We had a very good friend who was gay but just because I mention how some queens are over the top on cleanliness I'm putting them all into one category?
I have friends & family who've worked on cruise ships & they all say how clean it is due to the queens so sorry but I'm not trying to be derogatory about any group of people

If you're not *trying* to, then you're just doing it effortlessly.

Okay so some idiots on here have to be so PC even innocent comments have to be ripped into?
well I know what I believe in & if I'm prejudiced to colour or gender so I give up trying to get it over to you all

loosehead wrote:
Okay so some idiots on here have to be so PC even innocent comments have to be ripped into?
well I know what I believe in & if I'm prejudiced to colour or gender so I give up trying to get it over to you all

You're clearly quite a decent fella loosehead, and would never knowingly act in a prejudiced manner.
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It's not a case of being'PC', it's a case of some of the views that you genuinely hold to be true, and don't intend in a malicious manner, actually being erroneous and indirectly harmful.
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The Echo's comments section isn't going to be a fruitful place for such a complex subject. But if you're really open-minded to it, I'd suggest seeking out a variety of discussion forums on LGBT issues, and racial issues, and chatting to the people there.
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Most discussion forums can be far more heated than this comments section though, so go in with a thick skin and don't let the occasional abusive fundamentalist put you off!