Work begins to revamp city estates (From Daily Echo)

It's great news that more housing is being built but I wonder why they can't refurbish the flats that are there as well as build homes on the other land?

It would be interesting to know how many extra homes are being created in addition to the exisiting buildings that are being demolished as £30m seems lot of money.

sotonboy84 wrote:
It's great news that more housing is being built but I wonder why they can't refurbish the flats that are there as well as build homes on the other land?

It would be interesting to know how many extra homes are being created in addition to the exisiting buildings that are being demolished as £30m seems lot of money.

When I did a bit of leafletting I went into old & new build flats,I would rather buy an older flat than the new ones that look pretty shabby after a few months of use.
I've seen door handles falling off I've seen the hinges on fire doors working loose & many,many other faults with these cheap build new flats.
I agree with you would the flats have been better off refurbishing them or maybe build houses instead of more flats?

Question that needs to be ask is, how many homes will be demolish, and how many will be built, then look at the +&-.
Council homes also being lost to the private sector, so that will mean less funds going to wards the city.

Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

southy wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

So an emergency home is not a home? Ah, well that explains it all then. Why should someone get "extra points" for coming from Southampton? If someone from Southampton moved to (name your own choice of location) and was told that they are less deserving than a local purely because of where they had links to they would well hacked off, and deservedly. If people from the same country can't be treated equally what chance is there for peace between nations?
"Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang."

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

So an emergency home is not a home? Ah, well that explains it all then. Why should someone get "extra points" for coming from Southampton? If someone from Southampton moved to (name your own choice of location) and was told that they are less deserving than a local purely because of where they had links to they would well hacked off, and deservedly. If people from the same country can't be treated equally what chance is there for peace between nations?
"Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang."

None under a Capitalist system, because Capitalism divides people up, pits people against people

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

So an emergency home is not a home? Ah, well that explains it all then. Why should someone get "extra points" for coming from Southampton? If someone from Southampton moved to (name your own choice of location) and was told that they are less deserving than a local purely because of where they had links to they would well hacked off, and deservedly. If people from the same country can't be treated equally what chance is there for peace between nations?
"Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang."

None under a Capitalist system, because Capitalism divides people up, pits people against people

What! Like Redbridge? You are forever going on about your own little corner of the world southy so dont try and blame it all on the capitalists theirs a good chap.

Look the idea was to knock down Townhill Park & build an estate people would be proud to live in Labour stopped that development chucked in an extra £50million substantially increased the amount of properties to be built before consulting with the residents if this is what they wanted?
I lived in a flat in Golden Grove & I loved it there & the flat/maisonette was a great place to live.
knocking down perfectly good buildings to replace with new builds isn't always improving an area or standard of the properties.
An estate was built under the Tory council it was an ECO housing mini estate now if they were to build homes ( houses) like this it would be a way forward & improve this cities Green credentials but if it's the same type of flats as Angelsea Rd or opposite St marks school where the old Co-Op was then this is a wrong step as is the case with Liverpool knocking down good Victorian terraced houses to replace them with plastic Barret homes

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

So an emergency home is not a home? Ah, well that explains it all then. Why should someone get "extra points" for coming from Southampton? If someone from Southampton moved to (name your own choice of location) and was told that they are less deserving than a local purely because of where they had links to they would well hacked off, and deservedly. If people from the same country can't be treated equally what chance is there for peace between nations?
"Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang."

None under a Capitalist system, because Capitalism divides people up, pits people against people

What! Like Redbridge? You are forever going on about your own little corner of the world southy so dont try and blame it all on the capitalists theirs a good chap.

It is the nature of Capitalism world wide, History as proven that over and over again, it do not want people uniting and working together on mass, thats why it wants to control every thing.

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

So an emergency home is not a home? Ah, well that explains it all then. Why should someone get "extra points" for coming from Southampton? If someone from Southampton moved to (name your own choice of location) and was told that they are less deserving than a local purely because of where they had links to they would well hacked off, and deservedly. If people from the same country can't be treated equally what chance is there for peace between nations?
"Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang."

None under a Capitalist system, because Capitalism divides people up, pits people against people

What! Like Redbridge? You are forever going on about your own little corner of the world southy so dont try and blame it all on the capitalists theirs a good chap.

It is the nature of Capitalism world wide, History as proven that over and over again, it do not want people uniting and working together on mass, thats why it wants to control every thing.

What about the Communist state of China who knocked down peoples homes to build Olympic parks to show off Communist China ?
Capitalist? tell the elite of the communist party there they're the hated capitalists & see how long you have your freedom

This picture of the flats in Sholing are exactly the same style of flats through out Millbrook & Redbridge so are they knocking down all these flats as well? where will all the people from these estates be housed? how will they compensate the ones like Southy who bought their council home?

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

So an emergency home is not a home? Ah, well that explains it all then. Why should someone get "extra points" for coming from Southampton? If someone from Southampton moved to (name your own choice of location) and was told that they are less deserving than a local purely because of where they had links to they would well hacked off, and deservedly. If people from the same country can't be treated equally what chance is there for peace between nations?
"Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang."

None under a Capitalist system, because Capitalism divides people up, pits people against people

What! Like Redbridge? You are forever going on about your own little corner of the world southy so dont try and blame it all on the capitalists theirs a good chap.

It is the nature of Capitalism world wide, History as proven that over and over again, it do not want people uniting and working together on mass, thats why it wants to control every thing.

What about the Communist state of China who knocked down peoples homes to build Olympic parks to show off Communist China ?
Capitalist? tell the elite of the communist party there they're the hated capitalists & see how long you have your freedom

That was Capitalist Communism Loose, and is why the Chineses Socialist party was hunted down and still are today, they can only opperate under ground.
China used State Capitalism have done since the chinese Nationalist and Imperialist Capitalist where kick out of power, even today in China if your found out to be a member to the Chinese Socialist Party you are imprison. the CWI as members there that have not gone to trail and have been in prison for 6 years.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

So an emergency home is not a home? Ah, well that explains it all then. Why should someone get "extra points" for coming from Southampton? If someone from Southampton moved to (name your own choice of location) and was told that they are less deserving than a local purely because of where they had links to they would well hacked off, and deservedly. If people from the same country can't be treated equally what chance is there for peace between nations?
"Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang."

None under a Capitalist system, because Capitalism divides people up, pits people against people

What! Like Redbridge? You are forever going on about your own little corner of the world southy so dont try and blame it all on the capitalists theirs a good chap.

It is the nature of Capitalism world wide, History as proven that over and over again, it do not want people uniting and working together on mass, thats why it wants to control every thing.

Compare: the average communist nirvana. Oooh, let's say, China. A paradise, right?

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

So an emergency home is not a home? Ah, well that explains it all then. Why should someone get "extra points" for coming from Southampton? If someone from Southampton moved to (name your own choice of location) and was told that they are less deserving than a local purely because of where they had links to they would well hacked off, and deservedly. If people from the same country can't be treated equally what chance is there for peace between nations?
"Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang."

None under a Capitalist system, because Capitalism divides people up, pits people against people

What! Like Redbridge? You are forever going on about your own little corner of the world southy so dont try and blame it all on the capitalists theirs a good chap.

It is the nature of Capitalism world wide, History as proven that over and over again, it do not want people uniting and working together on mass, thats why it wants to control every thing.

What about the Communist state of China who knocked down peoples homes to build Olympic parks to show off Communist China ?
Capitalist? tell the elite of the communist party there they're the hated capitalists & see how long you have your freedom

That was Capitalist Communism Loose, and is why the Chineses Socialist party was hunted down and still are today, they can only opperate under ground.
China used State Capitalism have done since the chinese Nationalist and Imperialist Capitalist where kick out of power, even today in China if your found out to be a member to the Chinese Socialist Party you are imprison. the CWI as members there that have not gone to trail and have been in prison for 6 years.

Give it up Pete. Your backing a loser on this one. Again :-(

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

So an emergency home is not a home? Ah, well that explains it all then. Why should someone get "extra points" for coming from Southampton? If someone from Southampton moved to (name your own choice of location) and was told that they are less deserving than a local purely because of where they had links to they would well hacked off, and deservedly. If people from the same country can't be treated equally what chance is there for peace between nations?
"Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang."

None under a Capitalist system, because Capitalism divides people up, pits people against people

What! Like Redbridge? You are forever going on about your own little corner of the world southy so dont try and blame it all on the capitalists theirs a good chap.

It is the nature of Capitalism world wide, History as proven that over and over again, it do not want people uniting and working together on mass, thats why it wants to control every thing.

What about the Communist state of China who knocked down peoples homes to build Olympic parks to show off Communist China ?
Capitalist? tell the elite of the communist party there they're the hated capitalists & see how long you have your freedom

That was Capitalist Communism Loose, and is why the Chineses Socialist party was hunted down and still are today, they can only opperate under ground.
China used State Capitalism have done since the chinese Nationalist and Imperialist Capitalist where kick out of power, even today in China if your found out to be a member to the Chinese Socialist Party you are imprison. the CWI as members there that have not gone to trail and have been in prison for 6 years.

I suggest you go and read up on the phrase "No true Scotsman", because you lose a hearty chunk of arguments by not understanding it.

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

So an emergency home is not a home? Ah, well that explains it all then. Why should someone get "extra points" for coming from Southampton? If someone from Southampton moved to (name your own choice of location) and was told that they are less deserving than a local purely because of where they had links to they would well hacked off, and deservedly. If people from the same country can't be treated equally what chance is there for peace between nations?
"Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang."

None under a Capitalist system, because Capitalism divides people up, pits people against people

What! Like Redbridge? You are forever going on about your own little corner of the world southy so dont try and blame it all on the capitalists theirs a good chap.

It is the nature of Capitalism world wide, History as proven that over and over again, it do not want people uniting and working together on mass, thats why it wants to control every thing.

What about the Communist state of China who knocked down peoples homes to build Olympic parks to show off Communist China ?
Capitalist? tell the elite of the communist party there they're the hated capitalists & see how long you have your freedom

That was Capitalist Communism Loose, and is why the Chineses Socialist party was hunted down and still are today, they can only opperate under ground.
China used State Capitalism have done since the chinese Nationalist and Imperialist Capitalist where kick out of power, even today in China if your found out to be a member to the Chinese Socialist Party you are imprison. the CWI as members there that have not gone to trail and have been in prison for 6 years.

So what is North korea?

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

Stillness wrote:

southy wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

commonsence wrote:
Ok , but will the affordable rented places be let to people born in the Southampton area ? Homebid stated at the start of bidding for homes that people born in Southampton would be given priority over basically outsiders , this does not appear to have happened.

You get extra points for having proven links to Southampton, but that is never going to give you more points than a family who is homeless, no matter where they are from.

A homeless family would go into a 2 year emergency home first before given a home

So an emergency home is not a home? Ah, well that explains it all then. Why should someone get "extra points" for coming from Southampton? If someone from Southampton moved to (name your own choice of location) and was told that they are less deserving than a local purely because of where they had links to they would well hacked off, and deservedly. If people from the same country can't be treated equally what chance is there for peace between nations?
"Do you want to be in my gang, my gang, my gang."

None under a Capitalist system, because Capitalism divides people up, pits people against people

What! Like Redbridge? You are forever going on about your own little corner of the world southy so dont try and blame it all on the capitalists theirs a good chap.

It is the nature of Capitalism world wide, History as proven that over and over again, it do not want people uniting and working together on mass, thats why it wants to control every thing.

What about the Communist state of China who knocked down peoples homes to build Olympic parks to show off Communist China ?
Capitalist? tell the elite of the communist party there they're the hated capitalists & see how long you have your freedom

That was Capitalist Communism Loose, and is why the Chineses Socialist party was hunted down and still are today, they can only opperate under ground.
China used State Capitalism have done since the chinese Nationalist and Imperialist Capitalist where kick out of power, even today in China if your found out to be a member to the Chinese Socialist Party you are imprison. the CWI as members there that have not gone to trail and have been in prison for 6 years.

So what is North korea?

The site of the future "Strait of Freedom", brought to us by the good old US of A.

Why is it Cllr williams is standing for Parliament next time around in Itchen & all these type of flats are being demolished in Itchen but none in Millbrook which is Test ward?
surely if these flats are past there life expectancy then we should look at replacing all of them not just those over one side of the city?
Townhill Park is being redeveloped so why not then redevelop these type of flats in Millbrook or is it politics?

This topic raises illustrates an attitude blighting the UK and other western countries. The issue of public housing and how it is used and perceived.
Public housing should never be regarded as a right for those who are able and capable of buying or renting in the private sector. Public housing should never be regarded as a life time tenure to be passed onto able and capable offspring.
Surely long term public housing is intended solely for those who cannot meet the private sector housing demands thru regularly verified ill-health.
Yes there will also be a need for short-term public housing - say a maximum of 5 yrs - for specific circumstances. Breeding kids just to get the housing allowance should not be one of those circumstances.
We in the western world have set in concrete a psychology of entitlement among some sectors of our communities which demands someone else works hard to pay for those entitlements. All without any sense of gratitude for the privilege.
Whatever happened to the old ethos of working 2-3 jobs, if necessary, to get a deposit and then maybe upgrading your home along the way. What happened to the pride of making that 1st purchase and knowing that when you passed on your kids would get some sort of genuinely earnt inheritance.
I am not against public housing - just against the attitude that is blighting our western worlds. Remember there is only so much money in the pot to service an increasingly larger and grabbing populace.

What about the homes built in the 30's like many in Southampton? Once again, nothing for those residents! Typical!

MiddleOfRoad wrote:
This topic raises illustrates an attitude blighting the UK and other western countries. The issue of public housing and how it is used and perceived.
Public housing should never be regarded as a right for those who are able and capable of buying or renting in the private sector. Public housing should never be regarded as a life time tenure to be passed onto able and capable offspring.
Surely long term public housing is intended solely for those who cannot meet the private sector housing demands thru regularly verified ill-health.
Yes there will also be a need for short-term public housing - say a maximum of 5 yrs - for specific circumstances. Breeding kids just to get the housing allowance should not be one of those circumstances.
We in the western world have set in concrete a psychology of entitlement among some sectors of our communities which demands someone else works hard to pay for those entitlements. All without any sense of gratitude for the privilege.
Whatever happened to the old ethos of working 2-3 jobs, if necessary, to get a deposit and then maybe upgrading your home along the way. What happened to the pride of making that 1st purchase and knowing that when you passed on your kids would get some sort of genuinely earnt inheritance.
I am not against public housing - just against the attitude that is blighting our western worlds. Remember there is only so much money in the pot to service an increasingly larger and grabbing populace.

I agree with you,what about two firemen losing their lives due to a couple wanting to move?
What about the Philpots who also wanted a bigger house & who wanted to blame his mistress?
I was one of eleven kids we never had two houses knocked into one we lived in what was deemed a 5 bedroom house but the "Fifth"bedroom was a downstairs "Front"room & was never used as a bedroom

loosehead wrote:
Why is it Cllr williams is standing for Parliament next time around in Itchen & all these type of flats are being demolished in Itchen but none in Millbrook which is Test ward?
surely if these flats are past there life expectancy then we should look at replacing all of them not just those over one side of the city?
Townhill Park is being redeveloped so why not then redevelop these type of flats in Millbrook or is it politics?

They all ready started doing that here under your Tory Council, cumbrian way shops and flats, nothing wrong with them and yet they got demolish to make way for a few new council homes and shops and private rented homes also, another case of Council owned land sold to the private sector cheap.

southy wrote:
Question that needs to be ask is, how many homes will be demolish, and how many will be built, then look at the +&-.
Council homes also being lost to the private sector, so that will mean less funds going to wards the city.

We all know of one council house "lost" to the private sector..........YOUR
S....you hypocrite!

Regeneration finally limps into view in Southampton, more than two decades too late.

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Why is it Cllr williams is standing for Parliament next time around in Itchen & all these type of flats are being demolished in Itchen but none in Millbrook which is Test ward?
surely if these flats are past there life expectancy then we should look at replacing all of them not just those over one side of the city?
Townhill Park is being redeveloped so why not then redevelop these type of flats in Millbrook or is it politics?

They all ready started doing that here under your Tory Council, cumbrian way shops and flats, nothing wrong with them and yet they got demolish to make way for a few new council homes and shops and private rented homes also, another case of Council owned land sold to the private sector cheap.

Pity you didn't work out your classified as the private sector when you privately bought your council home wasn't it?