Dad’s anger at plan to cut vulnerable funding (From Daily Echo)

How many non jobs are being cut? How many 'executive' salaries are being cut? The council budget would be more than adequate to meet the needs of the vulnerable if it were managed properly.

Makes you feel proud to be British when you hear news like this. Council are a disgrace.

Williams has £500,000 for himself to spend, use that he is a disgrace.

These families must be supported. So short sighted and ill informed decisions make councillors look like fools

Not good. Council should be ashamed of itself. Maybe the councillors could take a total pay cut - should more than pay for this budget.
As the parent of a slightly disabled child who qualifies for not a lot our additional expenses when he is at home must run into £100.00 per week. It is all stuff that you could choose to provide for a "normal" child but have to provide for a disabled one!.

tootle wrote:
Not good. Council should be ashamed of itself. Maybe the councillors could take a total pay cut - should more than pay for this budget.
As the parent of a slightly disabled child who qualifies for not a lot our additional expenses when he is at home must run into £100.00 per week. It is all stuff that you could choose to provide for a "normal" child but have to provide for a disabled one!.

The Tory's & liberals took a 5.5%pay cut exactly what they asked the top earners to take & then imposed those cuts & look at the reaction?
Maybe if Williams Labour Council hadn't restored pay these cuts wouldn't need to happen?
those workers on £30-60,000 should feel happy with what they've acheived

Could somebody please explain to me how the system works as i thought all payments were made via D.W.P, do all local authorities make the same payments or is it something unique to Southampton.

Before one or two posters raise their blood pressure to a dangerous level they should note that a decision has been deferred until April.
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So perhaps we should wait and see what the outcome is
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But hey .... dont let the facts get in the way of a good old moan from the usual quarters

Oh ...... and i wonder if this funding would have been cut if the Tories hadnt borrowed £5m to build the Sea Museum (in the wrong place) at the taxpayers expence.
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Perhaps one or two posters should consider that before they boast about the building on the subject of City of culture.
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What is more important ? ...... it appears to some its a vanity and ego project before people

loosehead wrote:

tootle wrote:
Not good. Council should be ashamed of itself. Maybe the councillors could take a total pay cut - should more than pay for this budget.
As the parent of a slightly disabled child who qualifies for not a lot our additional expenses when he is at home must run into £100.00 per week. It is all stuff that you could choose to provide for a "normal" child but have to provide for a disabled one!.

The Tory's & liberals took a 5.5%pay cut exactly what they asked the top earners to take & then imposed those cuts & look at the reaction?
Maybe if Williams Labour Council hadn't restored pay these cuts wouldn't need to happen?
those workers on £30-60,000 should feel happy with what they've acheived

Loose your freind Royston sits on 2 boards that I know off the Docks and Fire service, just for one of those jobs he earns 3 times "for sitting at a table just for once a mth" as much than most people will earn "for doing a 60 hour week"

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Before one or two posters raise their blood pressure to a dangerous level they should note that a decision has been deferred until April.
.
So perhaps we should wait and see what the outcome is
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But hey .... dont let the facts get in the way of a good old moan from the usual quarters

Here's a fact, it is alot more expensive to support someone in a residential unit than at home.

ohec wrote:
Could somebody please explain to me how the system works as i thought all payments were made via D.W.P, do all local authorities make the same payments or is it something unique to Southampton.

The DWP pays the state benefit, while the Councils will give a reduction in council tax and rents to the city providing that person is not gone over a certain limit.

southy wrote:

ohec wrote:
Could somebody please explain to me how the system works as i thought all payments were made via D.W.P, do all local authorities make the same payments or is it something unique to Southampton.

The DWP pays the state benefit, while the Councils will give a reduction in council tax and rents to the city providing that person is not gone over a certain limit.

Oh forgot about day care services and when the home carer needs a break.

KSO16R wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Before one or two posters raise their blood pressure to a dangerous level they should note that a decision has been deferred until April.
.
So perhaps we should wait and see what the outcome is
.
But hey .... dont let the facts get in the way of a good old moan from the usual quarters

Here's a fact, it is alot more expensive to support someone in a residential unit than at home.

Here's another fact .... I know

Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Labour/Unions put themselves first and the public last, vote Tory in 2014 for caring councillors.

Labour/Unions put themselves first and the public last, vote Tory in 2014 for caring councillors.

ohec wrote:
Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Lone Ranger. wrote:

KSO16R wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Before one or two posters raise their blood pressure to a dangerous level they should note that a decision has been deferred until April.
.
So perhaps we should wait and see what the outcome is
.
But hey .... dont let the facts get in the way of a good old moan from the usual quarters

Here's a fact, it is alot more expensive to support someone in a residential unit than at home.

Here's another fact .... I know

whats the other fact you know?

aldermoorboy says...
11:14am Sat 16 Mar 13

Labour/Unions put themselves first and the public last, vote Tory in 2014 for caring councillors.”


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southy wrote:

ohec wrote:
Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Sorry to go off subject, but can you remind everyone who said a few years back that the Falkland Islands wanted independence from the British Government after they had been there and asked them..?

Also, wasn't something supposed to happen today?

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

ohec wrote:
Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Sorry to go off subject, but can you remind everyone who said a few years back that the Falkland Islands wanted independence from the British Government after they had been there and asked them..?

Also, wasn't something supposed to happen today?

Could not tell you Shoong who said that I know the Falklands Islands to well to know what they want, and want to keep.
They have there dependency have had it a long time now way before I even was there.
If your on about the vote that happened last weekend the results was anounce on Tues, it was a very large majority in favour to remain in the Commonwealth as a dependency, and not to go under Argentina rule and be part of there country, it was a 2 choice vote.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

ohec wrote:
Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Sorry to go off subject, but can you remind everyone who said a few years back that the Falkland Islands wanted independence from the British Government after they had been there and asked them..?

Also, wasn't something supposed to happen today?

Could not tell you Shoong who said that I know the Falklands Islands to well to know what they want, and want to keep.
They have there dependency have had it a long time now way before I even was there.
If your on about the vote that happened last weekend the results was anounce on Tues, it was a very large majority in favour to remain in the Commonwealth as a dependency, and not to go under Argentina rule and be part of there country, it was a 2 choice vote.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

ohec wrote:
Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Sorry to go off subject, but can you remind everyone who said a few years back that the Falkland Islands wanted independence from the British Government after they had been there and asked them..?

Also, wasn't something supposed to happen today?

Could not tell you Shoong who said that I know the Falklands Islands to well to know what they want, and want to keep.
They have there dependency have had it a long time now way before I even was there.
If your on about the vote that happened last weekend the results was anounce on Tues, it was a very large majority in favour to remain in the Commonwealth as a dependency, and not to go under Argentina rule and be part of there country, it was a 2 choice vote.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.

No wriggle wriggle unless your on about your self.

i am on benefits as a single mum to an autistic son, i will have to pay the bedroom tax of £27. a week and council tax of £7. a week.
i have a car on hp to get my son around as he don't do public transport very easy, he is only on medium rate DLA so do not qualify for a DLA car. we are struggling now so don't know how we are going to get on when we will have the pay in april. his dad does not help as all i get from him is you get income support, dla and carers, i also found out last month that i am a diabetic, high cholesterol, and high blood preasure, so all this stress is not helping my health.

forgot to say son is 14 so he can't even go to work

Sell the car you can't afford it.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

ohec wrote:
Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Sorry to go off subject, but can you remind everyone who said a few years back that the Falkland Islands wanted independence from the British Government after they had been there and asked them..?

Also, wasn't something supposed to happen today?

Could not tell you Shoong who said that I know the Falklands Islands to well to know what they want, and want to keep.
They have there dependency have had it a long time now way before I even was there.
If your on about the vote that happened last weekend the results was anounce on Tues, it was a very large majority in favour to remain in the Commonwealth as a dependency, and not to go under Argentina rule and be part of there country, it was a 2 choice vote.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.

No wriggle wriggle unless your on about your self.

You said something was going to happen today, what happened?

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

ohec wrote:
Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Sorry to go off subject, but can you remind everyone who said a few years back that the Falkland Islands wanted independence from the British Government after they had been there and asked them..?

Also, wasn't something supposed to happen today?

Could not tell you Shoong who said that I know the Falklands Islands to well to know what they want, and want to keep.
They have there dependency have had it a long time now way before I even was there.
If your on about the vote that happened last weekend the results was anounce on Tues, it was a very large majority in favour to remain in the Commonwealth as a dependency, and not to go under Argentina rule and be part of there country, it was a 2 choice vote.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.

No wriggle wriggle unless your on about your self.

You said something was going to happen today, what happened?

You do not read much do you or listen to the news, first of the many anti-bedroom tax demos happened today and more are planed. also today was the unions meeting about a general strike.

I'm not being funn- however I have a disabled child and I look after him by my self. I don't expect other people that work hard to pay for my Robert. It's my child, and why I should pay for other families care? If you decide to have a child, pay for them yourself!!! Not to pay for some other person to pay to wipe there bum!!

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

ohec wrote:
Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Sorry to go off subject, but can you remind everyone who said a few years back that the Falkland Islands wanted independence from the British Government after they had been there and asked them..?

Also, wasn't something supposed to happen today?

Could not tell you Shoong who said that I know the Falklands Islands to well to know what they want, and want to keep.
They have there dependency have had it a long time now way before I even was there.
If your on about the vote that happened last weekend the results was anounce on Tues, it was a very large majority in favour to remain in the Commonwealth as a dependency, and not to go under Argentina rule and be part of there country, it was a 2 choice vote.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.

No wriggle wriggle unless your on about your self.

You said something was going to happen today, what happened?

You do not read much do you or listen to the news, first of the many anti-bedroom tax demos happened today and more are planed. also today was the unions meeting about a general strike.

Oh yeah, it was all over news...

General strike? When are they going to learn that it's counter productive for everyone involved?

Speaking of the news, which I do watch, looks like UKIP are polling in 3rd place, the next election should see the death knell of ancient lefty politics.

Not looking good is it?

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

ohec wrote:
Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Sorry to go off subject, but can you remind everyone who said a few years back that the Falkland Islands wanted independence from the British Government after they had been there and asked them..?

Also, wasn't something supposed to happen today?

Could not tell you Shoong who said that I know the Falklands Islands to well to know what they want, and want to keep.
They have there dependency have had it a long time now way before I even was there.
If your on about the vote that happened last weekend the results was anounce on Tues, it was a very large majority in favour to remain in the Commonwealth as a dependency, and not to go under Argentina rule and be part of there country, it was a 2 choice vote.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.

No wriggle wriggle unless your on about your self.

You said something was going to happen today, what happened?

You do not read much do you or listen to the news, first of the many anti-bedroom tax demos happened today and more are planed. also today was the unions meeting about a general strike.

Oh yeah, it was all over news...

General strike? When are they going to learn that it's counter productive for everyone involved?

Speaking of the news, which I do watch, looks like UKIP are polling in 3rd place, the next election should see the death knell of ancient lefty politics.

Not looking good is it?

So your all for extreme right wing politics, its very doubtful it might mean the end of the Tory Party but even that is unlikely as UKIP was in a meeting with the Tory steering commitee again 2 weeks ago.
True Left wing politics is on the rise again. mind you Left politics is the politics for the majority.
UKIP did not do well in that by-election in a ward of Rotherham they went out to collette 10 names so they could stand in the by-election and only got 3 signatures.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

ohec wrote:
Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Sorry to go off subject, but can you remind everyone who said a few years back that the Falkland Islands wanted independence from the British Government after they had been there and asked them..?

Also, wasn't something supposed to happen today?

Could not tell you Shoong who said that I know the Falklands Islands to well to know what they want, and want to keep.
They have there dependency have had it a long time now way before I even was there.
If your on about the vote that happened last weekend the results was anounce on Tues, it was a very large majority in favour to remain in the Commonwealth as a dependency, and not to go under Argentina rule and be part of there country, it was a 2 choice vote.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.

No wriggle wriggle unless your on about your self.

You said something was going to happen today, what happened?

You do not read much do you or listen to the news, first of the many anti-bedroom tax demos happened today and more are planed. also today was the unions meeting about a general strike.

Oh yeah, it was all over news...

General strike? When are they going to learn that it's counter productive for everyone involved?

Speaking of the news, which I do watch, looks like UKIP are polling in 3rd place, the next election should see the death knell of ancient lefty politics.

Not looking good is it?

So your all for extreme right wing politics, its very doubtful it might mean the end of the Tory Party but even that is unlikely as UKIP was in a meeting with the Tory steering commitee again 2 weeks ago.
True Left wing politics is on the rise again. mind you Left politics is the politics for the majority.
UKIP did not do well in that by-election in a ward of Rotherham they went out to collette 10 names so they could stand in the by-election and only got 3 signatures.

If it was for the majority, people, the electorate, who you label with derogatory labels at every turn, would vote for it.

They don't.

It's unsurprising as it is inconsequential that you label UKIP 'extreme right wing'. You label any party or political organisation that it isn't left wing as extreme right wing which is very naive and childish. It only shows how out of touch you really are.

A quick refresh on the also rans at the Eastleigh By Election:

Ray Hall Beer 235
Howling Laud Hope Loony 136
David Bishop Elvis 72
Daz Procter TUSC 62

The majority indeed...

UKIP protects British Rights. What's wrong with that? Why can't we have a points system... It's very depressing that polish is now the second most common language spoken!!

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

ohec wrote:
Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it.
Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Sorry to go off subject, but can you remind everyone who said a few years back that the Falkland Islands wanted independence from the British Government after they had been there and asked them..?

Also, wasn't something supposed to happen today?

Could not tell you Shoong who said that I know the Falklands Islands to well to know what they want, and want to keep.
They have there dependency have had it a long time now way before I even was there.
If your on about the vote that happened last weekend the results was anounce on Tues, it was a very large majority in favour to remain in the Commonwealth as a dependency, and not to go under Argentina rule and be part of there country, it was a 2 choice vote.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.

No wriggle wriggle unless your on about your self.

You said something was going to happen today, what happened?

You do not read much do you or listen to the news, first of the many anti-bedroom tax demos happened today and more are planed. also today was the unions meeting about a general strike.

Oh yeah, it was all over news...

General strike? When are they going to learn that it's counter productive for everyone involved?

Speaking of the news, which I do watch, looks like UKIP are polling in 3rd place, the next election should see the death knell of ancient lefty politics.

Not looking good is it?

So your all for extreme right wing politics, its very doubtful it might mean the end of the Tory Party but even that is unlikely as UKIP was in a meeting with the Tory steering commitee again 2 weeks ago.
True Left wing politics is on the rise again. mind you Left politics is the politics for the majority.
UKIP did not do well in that by-election in a ward of Rotherham they went out to collette 10 names so they could stand in the by-election and only got 3 signatures.

If it was for the majority, people, the electorate, who you label with derogatory labels at every turn, would vote for it.

They don't.

It's unsurprising as it is inconsequential that you label UKIP 'extreme right wing'. You label any party or political organisation that it isn't left wing as extreme right wing which is very naive and childish. It only shows how out of touch you really are.

A quick refresh on the also rans at the Eastleigh By Election:

Ray Hall Beer 235
Howling Laud Hope Loony 136
David Bishop Elvis 72
Daz Procter TUSC 62

The majority indeed...

I do not I labal them as for what they really are. and its childish of you only because like so many others do not really under stand politics.
Labour is a Right Wing Party, Right of them is the Lib/Dem, the Torys are a Far Right Wing Party, and UKIP is right of the Tory Party they boarder on being a Nationalist party, and very close to being a BNP.
Its no good quoting Eastleigh results because its a true blue area. that much so that the working class have to vote tactically just to keep the Torys out.
The Rotherham by-election was more important not by the final result even lo the TUSC did win it, but the fact that all the main partys and some minor partys failed to get 10 names, just so they could take part in the in the final section of being able to stand, and your UKIP was one of those that failed.
At the moment way to many people are not voting and thats because of the way politics is going 1/3 of the population is not interested in right wing politics and do not relise that the TUSC is out there for them, the message is still getting out and we still being ask who are the TUSC and what are they about, there way to many people that still think that the SWP and SP plus others are still part of the Labour party.

Southy. You are the one that doesn't understand politics. UKIP isn't a nationalist party. An ex town councillor from Eastleigh was on the lib dem side now is UKIP. It just doesn't want to be part of the EU. Which I can understand. There are many countries that are in Europe that are not in EU. I think the problem is that you are a non British EU citizen and you are worried about if the UK comes out of EU.

flatoutchilled wrote:
UKIP protects British Rights. What's wrong with that? Why can't we have a points system... It's very depressing that polish is now the second most common language spoken!!

To be British means you are multi-cultural and multi-national, a nation that is made up from people from asia-africa and europe, the last time you might been able to say true british was before Roman Britain, and not after.
UKIP is only interested in the wealthy and powerful, but they need the working class vote, so they will sell a lie to people to buy into.

flatoutchilled wrote:
Southy. You are the one that doesn't understand politics. UKIP isn't a nationalist party. An ex town councillor from Eastleigh was on the lib dem side now is UKIP. It just doesn't want to be part of the EU. Which I can understand. There are many countries that are in Europe that are not in EU. I think the problem is that you are a non British EU citizen and you are worried about if the UK comes out of EU.

They boarder on being a nationalist party did not say they where, mind you even hitler sold the working class a lie to get into power, and UKIP policys are to close Nationalism to be comfortable with.
I can trace my family back to Saxon Britian on one side and the other to Norman Britian are you able to say that, your surname will say alot about your family back ground.
It is the socialist that do not want to be part of the EU, the Socialist have all ways said we do not need a thing like the the EU to be able to work with other countrys, it comes natural to them, If your old enough to remember Ted Heath who took us into the EEC it was the Socialist that kick up about it, where was UKIP back in those days, the Nationalist inside the Tory party back the Socialist, they later left to the Tory party to form there own party called the referemdum party who later became part of UKIP.

flatoutchilled
it took 10 years for UKIP under that name to be able to get a person into political office, its taken TUSC 3 years get some one into political office, under the TUSC name.
and the only thing that the 2 have in common is that they are both offering more or less the same thing over the EU.
UKIP is saying pull out of the EU with out a vote, the TUSC is offereing a vote on the EU to pull out or to stay in.

I am in 40s and I aware. I can trace my family back to Saxon times thank you. I think this country has far to many foreigners in this country it puts so much pressure on everyone. I am getting fed up psying for everyone else. UKIP is not a nationalist party, even the labour leader said that. Please get your facts straight, before you go off on one!

flatoutchilled wrote:
I am in 40s and I aware. I can trace my family back to Saxon times thank you. I think this country has far to many foreigners in this country it puts so much pressure on everyone. I am getting fed up psying for everyone else. UKIP is not a nationalist party, even the labour leader said that. Please get your facts straight, before you go off on one!

I have them right, and its not just the labour leader saying that UKIP is boardering on being a nationalist party they are not there yet but very close to it, and are more right wing than the Torys.
And you saying you can trace back to the saxons like my self, then your back ground is one of an immergrant to this country also.
One of UKIP policys is to sale off onwership of the state to its rich friends, its also a party that will make cuts also putting more people on the unemployment list.
Suggestion to you watch bbc question time next time UKIP is on there.

Your wrong Southy. Watch you tube, see what Ed Milliband quotes. He does NOT say what you quote. I suggest you get a political degree like myself,so you can comment correctly. If you would like details of my lecturer please let me know. He is very good- it was only 8 grand for my course.

UKIP also fails to tell people that any oversea worker coming here to live as to work for a year before they can claim benefit or get onto the council housing list, they can how ever get onto a private housing list.
And what was it with UKIP saying that was 20 to 25 million Romanians and Bulgarians coming to this country I never heard of any thing that was just false propaganda., and lie to scare people.

If I was to work in Canada, Oz, USA. I would need to work for I can just claim. Why should someone in any country just be able to move and claim benefits. According to Wilkpedia the population of Romania is 19,043.767 and Bulgaria is 7364,570. If you have visited any of those countries you will see why so many want to come here. The general living standards are so much lower. If I lived there,of course I would want to get out. I would have a nice home here,benefits I would love it. We are already over populated here.

flatoutchilled wrote:
Your wrong Southy. Watch you tube, see what Ed Milliband quotes. He does NOT say what you quote. I suggest you get a political degree like myself,so you can comment correctly. If you would like details of my lecturer please let me know. He is very good- it was only 8 grand for my course.

Yes well i wonder about milliban band him self, hes a man who said they done the imposable redinfined some thing that can not be redinfind, He said that they redefinded the center gound and that is some thing you can not do is move the center ground it is fix, what he really meant with out saying so he moved labour more to the right than it was under blair and brown, Labour is now located at the spot where the 1974 tory government took up, right wing mind you that hardly surprising to as Milliband is a self confessed Capitalist and want the impositable there to and that is good capitalism and resposable capitalism some thing it will never be, and the Torys are more right wing than the Labour party putting them far right wing, UKIP is more right wing than the Torys and where would that put them right on the edge of being a nationalist party, politics as been moving more and more right wing in the last 32 years, and those that suffer the most are the majority.
True Politics is not a degree only proffessional Politicians is a degree, Politics is some thing we all should be learning as we get older, you should learn the basics in senior school and go from there, And I dont teach politics I am in Politics and experence the real thing, so why pay to learn that is some one personal idea of politics when it is far from the real thing.

flatoutchilled wrote:
If I was to work in Canada, Oz, USA. I would need to work for I can just claim. Why should someone in any country just be able to move and claim benefits. According to Wilkpedia the population of Romania is 19,043.767 and Bulgaria is 7364,570. If you have visited any of those countries you will see why so many want to come here. The general living standards are so much lower. If I lived there,of course I would want to get out. I would have a nice home here,benefits I would love it. We are already over populated here.

Its the same in this country you can not make a claim untill you done at lest 1 year of work, you can not get on a council home waiting list till you done a years work in the uk, you get refered to the private sector for a home some one like wessex.
I am due to go to Romania again this year, and I all ready know that Romanians and Bulgarians will not come here as a first or second choice its not even there third choice, Italy is where they head to most off all, and it will not be 20 plus million leaving there countrys it will only be a very small amount less than 20,000 people and there how many countrys in the EU in whitch Italy and spain will take up the bulk of them, not England those that are all ready here might increase by maybe a 1,000 more, Romania also gets benefits, there economy is working better than ours, mind you the romanian people did take to the streets last year and brough down there government when they attack there health service.

If you want to find out how good your lecturer is on Politics ask him what was the fundimental difference between Lenin Russia and Stalin Russia and if he any good he will tell you this Lenin Russia was Socialist Communism and Stalin Russia was Capitalist Communism.
also ask him why can't you get Nationalism with in Socialism ot the other way round (the 2 do not go together and when they are its false propaganda to get one type of class people to vote for them).
He should answer by some thing like this Socialism is about the workers of the world, there for it can not have Nationalism as Nationalism is about 1 nation only.

Southy you really are grasping at straws. I think you should study Politics to understand the political world out there. Your argument is invalid- you can't be a doctor just by watching casualty.

southy wrote:

ohec wrote: Is this vital rent allowance paid by all authorities or is it unique to Southampton, that doesn't seem to difficult a question to me, but as there is a lack of replies then i can only assume that its a payment unique to Southampton in which case i support the idea of removing it. Everybody should be treated equally irrespective of where you live in the country.

Its nation wide, but each council can apply it in there own form, so in reality its both

Sorry Southy but you are wrong. This is a local payment not made in other areas. Therefore it is discretionary. Why do families of disabled people living in Southampton need more in benefit payments than someone living in Totton or Eastleigh?

I have every respect for these families but if we are going to have a debate about it, lets have the facts straight.

Think like a local. Thank you. I was trying to tell Southy that yesterday. I agree, all facts need to be true. It should not depend on the area for the types of payments one get. I think Southy, is some college kid and is not mature enough to debate like an adult.