Protest against bedroom tax (From Daily Echo)

chrisja wrote:
This scum should be ashamed of themselves, how dare they protest when they are just living on taxpayers money to start with... Pathetic, I hope is pis.ses down with rain on them all day!!!

Higginz wrote:
Make yourself useful to others and keep your legs shut. Enjoy life.

loosehead wrote:
I feel like reporting this article for lying as a tax is when you pay it on your earnings this isn't a tax,
they can move through Homebid or exchange with a family in a smaller flat/house but if they don't they'll only receive the money for rent that they should get.so exactly how's that a tax?
move to a one bedroom or a property smaller than you have where you use all the bedrooms & you lose no money so once again how's this a tax?
I have no choice but to pay tax on my pension yet these people can move property & if they're working their PAYE isn't being increased but they to should be asked to move to smaller properties if in a council property if in private rental they pay the rent again where's the word "TAX"coming into it?

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I feel like reporting this article for lying as a tax is when you pay it on your earnings this isn't a tax,
they can move through Homebid or exchange with a family in a smaller flat/house but if they don't they'll only receive the money for rent that they should get.so exactly how's that a tax?
move to a one bedroom or a property smaller than you have where you use all the bedrooms & you lose no money so once again how's this a tax?
I have no choice but to pay tax on my pension yet these people can move property & if they're working their PAYE isn't being increased but they to should be asked to move to smaller properties if in a council property if in private rental they pay the rent again where's the word "TAX"coming into it?

The bedroom tax and Workfare schemes are injustice as they are only targeting the poor and the ill. The banks are the guilty ones but they seem to have a Mafia type hold over the Government .Why has know one been charged for fixing the Libor rate, laundering Mexican drugs money...ect The Government should hang their heads in shame.

loosehead wrote:

Higginz wrote: Make yourself useful to others and keep your legs shut. Enjoy life.

Was that referring to me? Please with your knowledge explain to me the meaning of the word TAX?

hulla baloo wrote:

chrisja wrote:
This scum should be ashamed of themselves, how dare they protest when they are just living on taxpayers money to start with... Pathetic, I hope is pis.ses down with rain on them all day!!!

But why should a single person occupy a 2 or 3 bedroom property when more needy people require it. Should be made a stipulation that if you are on housing benefits and/or council tax support, and for this to continue, they should be prepared to down size to a smaller property.

loosehead wrote:
I feel like reporting this article for lying as a tax is when you pay it on your earnings this isn't a tax,
they can move through Homebid or exchange with a family in a smaller flat/house but if they don't they'll only receive the money for rent that they should get.so exactly how's that a tax?
move to a one bedroom or a property smaller than you have where you use all the bedrooms & you lose no money so once again how's this a tax?
I have no choice but to pay tax on my pension yet these people can move property & if they're working their PAYE isn't being increased but they to should be asked to move to smaller properties if in a council property if in private rental they pay the rent again where's the word "TAX"coming into it?

arthur dalyrimple wrote:

skin2000 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I feel like reporting this article for lying as a tax is when you pay it on your earnings this isn't a tax,
they can move through Homebid or exchange with a family in a smaller flat/house but if they don't they'll only receive the money for rent that they should get.so exactly how's that a tax?
move to a one bedroom or a property smaller than you have where you use all the bedrooms & you lose no money so once again how's this a tax?
I have no choice but to pay tax on my pension yet these people can move property & if they're working their PAYE isn't being increased but they to should be asked to move to smaller properties if in a council property if in private rental they pay the rent again where's the word "TAX"coming into it?

The bedroom tax and Workfare schemes are injustice as they are only targeting the poor and the ill. The banks are the guilty ones but they seem to have a Mafia type hold over the Government .Why has know one been charged for fixing the Libor rate, laundering Mexican drugs money...ect The Government should hang their heads in shame.

The government pays interest on the debt ,who too ?

ohec wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I feel like reporting this article for lying as a tax is when you pay it on your earnings this isn't a tax,
they can move through Homebid or exchange with a family in a smaller flat/house but if they don't they'll only receive the money for rent that they should get.so exactly how's that a tax?
move to a one bedroom or a property smaller than you have where you use all the bedrooms & you lose no money so once again how's this a tax?
I have no choice but to pay tax on my pension yet these people can move property & if they're working their PAYE isn't being increased but they to should be asked to move to smaller properties if in a council property if in private rental they pay the rent again where's the word "TAX"coming into it?

I think like I.D.S you have got hooked on the term bedroom tax, yes i agree technically it is not a tax but that has become the accepted term the same as people still call vehicle excise duty (road tax) or council tax (poll tax) it doesn't matter what you call it as it amounts to the same thing. It is another example of this governments ineptitude and ignorance to life in the real world, On the money side it is expected to save at most £400 million assuming that everybody downsizes or pays the extra themselves, on the accommodation side there is some merit in the idea but again little thought has been given to it, as by far the biggest under use is O.A.Ps whose families have grown up and fled the nest but they are exempt. When it comes down to the nitty gritty all it is is another attempt by this inept government to make it look like it is doing something about the chronic housing shortage brought about by all governments refusal to build social housing while at the same time throwing our doors open to all and sundry.

aldermoorboy wrote:
I have to smile when I see our local Labour MP'S moan about millionaires, when they themselves have pensions and houses probably worth millions.
Double standards or what?

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
I have to smile when I see our local Labour MP'S moan about millionaires, when they themselves have pensions and houses probably worth millions.
Double standards or what?

well you find that as a standard with all right wing politicians

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
I have to smile when I see our local Labour MP'S moan about millionaires, when they themselves have pensions and houses probably worth millions.
Double standards or what?

well you find that as a standard with all right wing politicians

You'll find it is standard with anyone capable of working hard to secure the future for themselves and their families.

aldermoorboy wrote:
I have to smile when I see our local Labour MP'S moan about millionaires, when they themselves have pensions and houses probably worth millions.
Double standards or what?

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
I have to smile when I see our local Labour MP'S moan about millionaires, when they themselves have pensions and houses probably worth millions.
Double standards or what?

well you find that as a standard with all right wing politicians

You'll find it is standard with anyone capable of working hard to secure the future for themselves and their families.

Only with people like your self Totchie, where you think of your self and freinds and family and no one else.

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
I have to smile when I see our local Labour MP'S moan about millionaires, when they themselves have pensions and houses probably worth millions.
Double standards or what?

well you find that as a standard with all right wing politicians

You'll find it is standard with anyone capable of working hard to secure the future for themselves and their families.

Only with people like your self Totchie, where you think of your self and freinds and family and no one else.

With people like you spending your every waking hour trying to work out how you can live off my efforts, I devote a similar amount of time making sure that you don't.

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
I have to smile when I see our local Labour MP'S moan about millionaires, when they themselves have pensions and houses probably worth millions.
Double standards or what?

well you find that as a standard with all right wing politicians

You'll find it is standard with anyone capable of working hard to secure the future for themselves and their families.

Only with people like your self Totchie, where you think of your self and freinds and family and no one else.

Shoong wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
I have to smile when I see our local Labour MP'S moan about millionaires, when they themselves have pensions and houses probably worth millions.
Double standards or what?

well you find that as a standard with all right wing politicians

You'll find it is standard with anyone capable of working hard to secure the future for themselves and their families.

Only with people like your self Totchie, where you think of your self and freinds and family and no one else.

With people like you spending your every waking hour trying to work out how you can live off my efforts, I devote a similar amount of time making sure that you don't.

Spot on.

miss confused wrote:
And why are you not more angry when they claim huge expenses that taxpayers have to fork out for - mortgages/rents on many bedroomed second homes, food/travel expenses, garden ornaments - the list goes on. Our PM claimed disabilty Living Allowance and everything else including nappies, everything he could for his disabled son before he died. Even though he could well afford it and the nanny looking after his son. But he didn't care about removing these benefits altogether when he no longer had need to take advantage of them....

miss confused wrote:
It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people.
Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith.

make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY.

http://www.thefword.

org.uk/blog/2013/03/

fight_the_bedro

bazzeroz wrote:
I hope that none of you 'benefit bashers' EVER find yourself in this situation. Over 600,000 UK residents will be affected by this evil 'tax'. NO it isn't a tax but it has been dubbed a tax just, like the window tax was. I was on that protest today and 3 times I was told to get a job. What does that person know about me? NOTHING! I was there to support the people that in effect could lose their HOMES because of this evil, nasty government. Once again, I hope the 'benefit bashers' on here and throughout UK will understand why this must be defeated. Let me ask you, did you agree with the Poll Tax? If people didn't protest and WIN against it then you/we ALL would be paying Poll Tax for every person in your household. Stop bashing people on benefits because unless you have been there you have no idea what it's like. And, another thing, this is the first time EVER in my 59 years that I have felt I must make a stand. Next time I hope it's not you that needs supporting. Not every person likes to be on benefits. The people I met today certainly didn't seem as they were enjoying it and there were a few that were there just to support every one.

southy wrote:

miss confused wrote:
And why are you not more angry when they claim huge expenses that taxpayers have to fork out for - mortgages/rents on many bedroomed second homes, food/travel expenses, garden ornaments - the list goes on. Our PM claimed disabilty Living Allowance and everything else including nappies, everything he could for his disabled son before he died. Even though he could well afford it and the nanny looking after his son. But he didn't care about removing these benefits altogether when he no longer had need to take advantage of them....

Very true miss confused but people like Shoong and Torchie are all in favour of that sort of thing and would not lift a finger to stop it from happening, they are part of the greed system.

good-gosh wrote:
Families struggling in cramped accommodation for years will now have hope for a normal home. Can't be a bad thing.

bazzeroz wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Families struggling in cramped accommodation for years will now have hope for a normal home. Can't be a bad thing.

No they wont! There a r e not enough properties to move to, don't you see that? Thatcher allowed council tenants to become owners (nothing wrong with that) but she and subsequent governments didn't allow social house building. In UK there are estimated to be over 10,000 yes, 10k EMPTY houses. (Not including pubs that could be homes!). 10 years or so ago the g'ment started an 'open up the empties' campaign. What happened? Nothing of any consequence. Liverpool council were selling houses the other week for 1p, one pence!! ffs. Why not get all the people that have taken college courses carpenters, electricians, plasterers etc on minimum wage and do as they say, OPEN THEM UP? Some of the problem solved, short term. The other point is that these people that are being targeted are on benefits some/most, don't want to be but it's also their HOMES! Would you like to be told 'pay for that spare room or move'? I think I know the answer to that. CaMORON and Dun-nuffink Smith are picking on the wrong people if they think this will go away it, won't. The people affected will fight this despicable 'tax' until it's abolished! Just look what people power done to the Poll Tax incidentally, TRIED TO BRING IN AND FAILED by, another conservative parliament! I'm totally gobsmacked that this useless g'ment are treating its people and, the most vulnerable at that in this way. Shame on them. The benefit bashers on here PLEASE look around and see what will happen to these families if this goes ahead. Its similar to ethnic cleansing and must be stopped. Who will be next? You?

bazzeroz wrote:

good-gosh wrote: Families struggling in cramped accommodation for years will now have hope for a normal home. Can't be a bad thing.

No they wont! There a r e not enough properties to move to, don't you see that? Thatcher allowed council tenants to become owners (nothing wrong with that) but she and subsequent governments didn't allow social house building. In UK there are estimated to be over 10,000 yes, 10k EMPTY houses. (Not including pubs that could be homes!). 10 years or so ago the g'ment started an 'open up the empties' campaign. What happened? Nothing of any consequence. Liverpool council were selling houses the other week for 1p, one pence!! ffs. Why not get all the people that have taken college courses carpenters, electricians, plasterers etc on minimum wage and do as they say, OPEN THEM UP? Some of the problem solved, short term. The other point is that these people that are being targeted are on benefits some/most, don't want to be but it's also their HOMES! Would you like to be told 'pay for that spare room or move'? I think I know the answer to that. CaMORON and Dun-nuffink Smith are picking on the wrong people if they think this will go away it, won't. The people affected will fight this despicable 'tax' until it's abolished! Just look what people power done to the Poll Tax incidentally, TRIED TO BRING IN AND FAILED by, another conservative parliament! I'm totally gobsmacked that this useless g'ment are treating its people and, the most vulnerable at that in this way. Shame on them. The benefit bashers on here PLEASE look around and see what will happen to these families if this goes ahead. Its similar to ethnic cleansing and must be stopped. Who will be next? You?

bazzeroz wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Families struggling in cramped accommodation for years will now have hope for a normal home. Can't be a bad thing.

No they wont! There a r e not enough properties to move to, don't you see that? Thatcher allowed council tenants to become owners (nothing wrong with that) but she and subsequent governments didn't allow social house building. In UK there are estimated to be over 10,000 yes, 10k EMPTY houses. (Not including pubs that could be homes!). 10 years or so ago the g'ment started an 'open up the empties' campaign. What happened? Nothing of any consequence. Liverpool council were selling houses the other week for 1p, one pence!! ffs. Why not get all the people that have taken college courses carpenters, electricians, plasterers etc on minimum wage and do as they say, OPEN THEM UP? Some of the problem solved, short term. The other point is that these people that are being targeted are on benefits some/most, don't want to be but it's also their HOMES! Would you like to be told 'pay for that spare room or move'? I think I know the answer to that. CaMORON and Dun-nuffink Smith are picking on the wrong people if they think this will go away it, won't. The people affected will fight this despicable 'tax' until it's abolished! Just look what people power done to the Poll Tax incidentally, TRIED TO BRING IN AND FAILED by, another conservative parliament! I'm totally gobsmacked that this useless g'ment are treating its people and, the most vulnerable at that in this way. Shame on them. The benefit bashers on here PLEASE look around and see what will happen to these families if this goes ahead. Its similar to ethnic cleansing and must be stopped. Who will be next? You?

southy wrote:

miss confused wrote:
And why are you not more angry when they claim huge expenses that taxpayers have to fork out for - mortgages/rents on many bedroomed second homes, food/travel expenses, garden ornaments - the list goes on. Our PM claimed disabilty Living Allowance and everything else including nappies, everything he could for his disabled son before he died. Even though he could well afford it and the nanny looking after his son. But he didn't care about removing these benefits altogether when he no longer had need to take advantage of them....

Very true miss confused but people like Shoong and Torchie are all in favour of that sort of thing and would not lift a finger to stop it from happening, they are part of the greed system.

bazzeroz wrote:
I hope that none of you 'benefit bashers' EVER find yourself in this situation. Over 600,000 UK residents will be affected by this evil 'tax'. NO it isn't a tax but it has been dubbed a tax just, like the window tax was. I was on that protest today and 3 times I was told to get a job. What does that person know about me? NOTHING! I was there to support the people that in effect could lose their HOMES because of this evil, nasty government. Once again, I hope the 'benefit bashers' on here and throughout UK will understand why this must be defeated. Let me ask you, did you agree with the Poll Tax? If people didn't protest and WIN against it then you/we ALL would be paying Poll Tax for every person in your household. Stop bashing people on benefits because unless you have been there you have no idea what it's like. And, another thing, this is the first time EVER in my 59 years that I have felt I must make a stand. Next time I hope it's not you that needs supporting. Not every person likes to be on benefits. The people I met today certainly didn't seem as they were enjoying it and there were a few that were there just to support every one.

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote:
It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people.
Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith.

make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY.

http://www.thefword.


org.uk/blog/2013/03/


fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

IronLady2010 wrote:

bazzeroz wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Families struggling in cramped accommodation for years will now have hope for a normal home. Can't be a bad thing.

No they wont! There a r e not enough properties to move to, don't you see that? Thatcher allowed council tenants to become owners (nothing wrong with that) but she and subsequent governments didn't allow social house building. In UK there are estimated to be over 10,000 yes, 10k EMPTY houses. (Not including pubs that could be homes!). 10 years or so ago the g'ment started an 'open up the empties' campaign. What happened? Nothing of any consequence. Liverpool council were selling houses the other week for 1p, one pence!! ffs. Why not get all the people that have taken college courses carpenters, electricians, plasterers etc on minimum wage and do as they say, OPEN THEM UP? Some of the problem solved, short term. The other point is that these people that are being targeted are on benefits some/most, don't want to be but it's also their HOMES! Would you like to be told 'pay for that spare room or move'? I think I know the answer to that. CaMORON and Dun-nuffink Smith are picking on the wrong people if they think this will go away it, won't. The people affected will fight this despicable 'tax' until it's abolished! Just look what people power done to the Poll Tax incidentally, TRIED TO BRING IN AND FAILED by, another conservative parliament! I'm totally gobsmacked that this useless g'ment are treating its people and, the most vulnerable at that in this way. Shame on them. The benefit bashers on here PLEASE look around and see what will happen to these families if this goes ahead. Its similar to ethnic cleansing and must be stopped. Who will be next? You?

I think what they tried (and failed with) was to encourage people to own their own properties with DIYSO.

For some reason people expect Council Housing when they can rent private and still claim Housing and/or Council Tax benefits to cover the cost.

For some reason people want a Council House and forget they can rent private, let's not forget those renting private have had this bedroom Tax for years, it's not a new thing.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

miss confused wrote:
And why are you not more angry when they claim huge expenses that taxpayers have to fork out for - mortgages/rents on many bedroomed second homes, food/travel expenses, garden ornaments - the list goes on. Our PM claimed disabilty Living Allowance and everything else including nappies, everything he could for his disabled son before he died. Even though he could well afford it and the nanny looking after his son. But he didn't care about removing these benefits altogether when he no longer had need to take advantage of them....

Very true miss confused but people like Shoong and Torchie are all in favour of that sort of thing and would not lift a finger to stop it from happening, they are part of the greed system.

No Peter you just can't hack that some people have worked hard to get what they have and you can't have a piece of it all for doing FA.

Just because you were a failure, don't expect the rest of it to make it up for you.

miss confused wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

bazzeroz wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Families struggling in cramped accommodation for years will now have hope for a normal home. Can't be a bad thing.

No they wont! There a r e not enough properties to move to, don't you see that? Thatcher allowed council tenants to become owners (nothing wrong with that) but she and subsequent governments didn't allow social house building. In UK there are estimated to be over 10,000 yes, 10k EMPTY houses. (Not including pubs that could be homes!). 10 years or so ago the g'ment started an 'open up the empties' campaign. What happened? Nothing of any consequence. Liverpool council were selling houses the other week for 1p, one pence!! ffs. Why not get all the people that have taken college courses carpenters, electricians, plasterers etc on minimum wage and do as they say, OPEN THEM UP? Some of the problem solved, short term. The other point is that these people that are being targeted are on benefits some/most, don't want to be but it's also their HOMES! Would you like to be told 'pay for that spare room or move'? I think I know the answer to that. CaMORON and Dun-nuffink Smith are picking on the wrong people if they think this will go away it, won't. The people affected will fight this despicable 'tax' until it's abolished! Just look what people power done to the Poll Tax incidentally, TRIED TO BRING IN AND FAILED by, another conservative parliament! I'm totally gobsmacked that this useless g'ment are treating its people and, the most vulnerable at that in this way. Shame on them. The benefit bashers on here PLEASE look around and see what will happen to these families if this goes ahead. Its similar to ethnic cleansing and must be stopped. Who will be next? You?

I think what they tried (and failed with) was to encourage people to own their own properties with DIYSO.

For some reason people expect Council Housing when they can rent private and still claim Housing and/or Council Tax benefits to cover the cost.

For some reason people want a Council House and forget they can rent private, let's not forget those renting private have had this bedroom Tax for years, it's not a new thing.

ummm have you not seen the cost of private housing? And did you not know that most landlords will NOT accept anyone receiving any houisng benefit -apart from one particular evil person whom I daren't name, who has been paid via backhanders from councils to provide disgustingly revolting accomodation for those who cannot afford anything better.

IronLady2010 wrote:
Whilst I am in agreement with the 'Bedroom Tax' this will hit those with very little spare income. We have to take into account the costs of moving which can be fairly high.

I somehow feel, there should be a longer period before it comes into force and people should initially be asked to volunteer to move into a smaller property, with help and support from their local Council.

chrisja wrote:
This scum should be ashamed of themselves, how dare they protest when they are just living on taxpayers money to start with... Pathetic, I hope is pis.ses down with rain on them all day!!!

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

southy wrote:

miss confused wrote:
And why are you not more angry when they claim huge expenses that taxpayers have to fork out for - mortgages/rents on many bedroomed second homes, food/travel expenses, garden ornaments - the list goes on. Our PM claimed disabilty Living Allowance and everything else including nappies, everything he could for his disabled son before he died. Even though he could well afford it and the nanny looking after his son. But he didn't care about removing these benefits altogether when he no longer had need to take advantage of them....

Very true miss confused but people like Shoong and Torchie are all in favour of that sort of thing and would not lift a finger to stop it from happening, they are part of the greed system.

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
I have to smile when I see our local Labour MP'S moan about millionaires, when they themselves have pensions and houses probably worth millions.
Double standards or what?

well you find that as a standard with all right wing politicians

You'll find it is standard with anyone capable of working hard to secure the future for themselves and their families.

Only with people like your self Totchie, where you think of your self and freinds and family and no one else.

With people like you spending your every waking hour trying to work out how you can live off my efforts, I devote a similar amount of time making sure that you don't.

IronLady2010 wrote:

miss confused wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

bazzeroz wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Families struggling in cramped accommodation for years will now have hope for a normal home. Can't be a bad thing.

No they wont! There a r e not enough properties to move to, don't you see that? Thatcher allowed council tenants to become owners (nothing wrong with that) but she and subsequent governments didn't allow social house building. In UK there are estimated to be over 10,000 yes, 10k EMPTY houses. (Not including pubs that could be homes!). 10 years or so ago the g'ment started an 'open up the empties' campaign. What happened? Nothing of any consequence. Liverpool council were selling houses the other week for 1p, one pence!! ffs. Why not get all the people that have taken college courses carpenters, electricians, plasterers etc on minimum wage and do as they say, OPEN THEM UP? Some of the problem solved, short term. The other point is that these people that are being targeted are on benefits some/most, don't want to be but it's also their HOMES! Would you like to be told 'pay for that spare room or move'? I think I know the answer to that. CaMORON and Dun-nuffink Smith are picking on the wrong people if they think this will go away it, won't. The people affected will fight this despicable 'tax' until it's abolished! Just look what people power done to the Poll Tax incidentally, TRIED TO BRING IN AND FAILED by, another conservative parliament! I'm totally gobsmacked that this useless g'ment are treating its people and, the most vulnerable at that in this way. Shame on them. The benefit bashers on here PLEASE look around and see what will happen to these families if this goes ahead. Its similar to ethnic cleansing and must be stopped. Who will be next? You?

I think what they tried (and failed with) was to encourage people to own their own properties with DIYSO.

For some reason people expect Council Housing when they can rent private and still claim Housing and/or Council Tax benefits to cover the cost.

For some reason people want a Council House and forget they can rent private, let's not forget those renting private have had this bedroom Tax for years, it's not a new thing.

ummm have you not seen the cost of private housing? And did you not know that most landlords will NOT accept anyone receiving any houisng benefit -apart from one particular evil person whom I daren't name, who has been paid via backhanders from councils to provide disgustingly revolting accomodation for those who cannot afford anything better.

Why do private Landlords not accept people on benefits?

It's a serious question. Landlords are guaranteed a rental income each month.

Maybe it's down to the fact they trash the properties they live in as they don't own it? I don't know, but there must be a good reason.

I see no reason why someone who is unemployed and on benefits why they can't rent private, Yes it will cost more, but they won't pay, Me and others will pay. I feel the difference is, they feel a Council House is for life and we need to stop this attitude and make people want better in their lives.

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote:
It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people.
Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith.

make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY.

http://www.thefword.



org.uk/blog/2013/03/



fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

loosehead wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote:
It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people.
Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith.

make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY.

http://www.thefword.




org.uk/blog/2013/03/




fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I saw a guy get his ex council hose paid for by the state,I saw him get an extension through a grant as he was classed disabled I also saw him working whilst claiming plus he bought the shop he was working in. he went out with a single mother who had a two bedroom council flat so he sold the house moved into the flat then sold the shop whilst continuing to work there whilst still claiming poor person wasn't he?
I also live in a terrace house where the house next door to me is occupied by a single man on the dole & it is a council house please explain to me how this is right?

IronLady2010 wrote:

miss confused wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

bazzeroz wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Families struggling in cramped accommodation for years will now have hope for a normal home. Can't be a bad thing.

No they wont! There a r e not enough properties to move to, don't you see that? Thatcher allowed council tenants to become owners (nothing wrong with that) but she and subsequent governments didn't allow social house building. In UK there are estimated to be over 10,000 yes, 10k EMPTY houses. (Not including pubs that could be homes!). 10 years or so ago the g'ment started an 'open up the empties' campaign. What happened? Nothing of any consequence. Liverpool council were selling houses the other week for 1p, one pence!! ffs. Why not get all the people that have taken college courses carpenters, electricians, plasterers etc on minimum wage and do as they say, OPEN THEM UP? Some of the problem solved, short term. The other point is that these people that are being targeted are on benefits some/most, don't want to be but it's also their HOMES! Would you like to be told 'pay for that spare room or move'? I think I know the answer to that. CaMORON and Dun-nuffink Smith are picking on the wrong people if they think this will go away it, won't. The people affected will fight this despicable 'tax' until it's abolished! Just look what people power done to the Poll Tax incidentally, TRIED TO BRING IN AND FAILED by, another conservative parliament! I'm totally gobsmacked that this useless g'ment are treating its people and, the most vulnerable at that in this way. Shame on them. The benefit bashers on here PLEASE look around and see what will happen to these families if this goes ahead. Its similar to ethnic cleansing and must be stopped. Who will be next? You?

I think what they tried (and failed with) was to encourage people to own their own properties with DIYSO.

For some reason people expect Council Housing when they can rent private and still claim Housing and/or Council Tax benefits to cover the cost.

For some reason people want a Council House and forget they can rent private, let's not forget those renting private have had this bedroom Tax for years, it's not a new thing.

ummm have you not seen the cost of private housing? And did you not know that most landlords will NOT accept anyone receiving any houisng benefit -apart from one particular evil person whom I daren't name, who has been paid via backhanders from councils to provide disgustingly revolting accomodation for those who cannot afford anything better.

Why do private Landlords not accept people on benefits?

It's a serious question. Landlords are guaranteed a rental income each month.

Maybe it's down to the fact they trash the properties they live in as they don't own it? I don't know, but there must be a good reason.

I see no reason why someone who is unemployed and on benefits why they can't rent private, Yes it will cost more, but they won't pay, Me and others will pay. I feel the difference is, they feel a Council House is for life and we need to stop this attitude and make people want better in their lives.

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I see people deemed to be “vulnerable” (I am talking about the lazy scroungers here) that have not worked or even tried to find a way to support themselves throughout their working lives continually sponge off state at the taxpayer’s expense, these are the people who you should be angry at not the people who bother to go to work and support themselves. The group I mentioned here is considerably bigger strain on the public purse than those you mentioned in your post. As they saying goes” You should not bite the hand that feeds you”

skin2000 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Whilst I am in agreement with the 'Bedroom Tax' this will hit those with very little spare income. We have to take into account the costs of moving which can be fairly high.

I somehow feel, there should be a longer period before it comes into force and people should initially be asked to volunteer to move into a smaller property, with help and support from their local Council.

How can you agree with something so evil as the bedroom tax?

MiddleOfRoad wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
I have to smile when I see our local Labour MP'S moan about millionaires, when they themselves have pensions and houses probably worth millions.
Double standards or what?

well you find that as a standard with all right wing politicians

You'll find it is standard with anyone capable of working hard to secure the future for themselves and their families.

Only with people like your self Totchie, where you think of your self and freinds and family and no one else.

With people like you spending your every waking hour trying to work out how you can live off my efforts, I devote a similar amount of time making sure that you don't.

Absolutely Torchie. We seem to have a prevailing mentality by some who believe those who achieve comfortable homes in comfortable areas by hard work, by planning and taking financial risks are class enemies who deserve to be eradicated.
What the "I am entitled to everything" mob forget is that it is taxes paid and generated by hard working honest high taxpaying individuals and companies fund the entire range of benefits.
I have worked many long and unpaid hours, sacrificed social, liesure and health to provide comfort for my family and to provide some form of inheritance for my children. Along the way I have paid enormous amounts of tax at different stages of my career probably more than those who just sit back with their hands held out have paid in their lifetimes. Yes at times I have worked 2-3 jobs to meet paymentsor achieve a better home. That must make some of the less induu\strious "entitlement" mob quake.
People like southie should perhaps remind me why I am not entitled to the fruits of my labour given the sacrifices I have made and the high levels of tax I have paid. Possibly while southie sat back in public housing paying minimal rent existing comfortably on benefits and enjoying an extensive social life in the pubs and clubs.
I am saddened to say that this attack on anyone who has achieved, a class war, is one primary reason the UK and similar countries are in an economic bucket and getting worse.

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I see people deemed to be “vulnerable” (I am talking about the lazy scroungers here) that have not worked or even tried to find a way to support themselves throughout their working lives continually sponge off state at the taxpayer’s expense, these are the people who you should be angry at not the people who bother to go to work and support themselves. The group I mentioned here is considerably bigger strain on the public purse than those you mentioned in your post. As they saying goes” You should not bite the hand that feeds you”

For heaven's sake. These people are NOT a strain on the public purse at all. They are a very very small percentage and have minimal affect. Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the costs of the new welfare reforms and who makes a profit out of it and how much. And why didn't you phone/email the benefit fraud hotline???? Oh I wish I could show you how the other half lives. I wish I could show you how these reforms are destroying lives.

miss confused wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

miss confused wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

bazzeroz wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Families struggling in cramped accommodation for years will now have hope for a normal home. Can't be a bad thing.

No they wont! There a r e not enough properties to move to, don't you see that? Thatcher allowed council tenants to become owners (nothing wrong with that) but she and subsequent governments didn't allow social house building. In UK there are estimated to be over 10,000 yes, 10k EMPTY houses. (Not including pubs that could be homes!). 10 years or so ago the g'ment started an 'open up the empties' campaign. What happened? Nothing of any consequence. Liverpool council were selling houses the other week for 1p, one pence!! ffs. Why not get all the people that have taken college courses carpenters, electricians, plasterers etc on minimum wage and do as they say, OPEN THEM UP? Some of the problem solved, short term. The other point is that these people that are being targeted are on benefits some/most, don't want to be but it's also their HOMES! Would you like to be told 'pay for that spare room or move'? I think I know the answer to that. CaMORON and Dun-nuffink Smith are picking on the wrong people if they think this will go away it, won't. The people affected will fight this despicable 'tax' until it's abolished! Just look what people power done to the Poll Tax incidentally, TRIED TO BRING IN AND FAILED by, another conservative parliament! I'm totally gobsmacked that this useless g'ment are treating its people and, the most vulnerable at that in this way. Shame on them. The benefit bashers on here PLEASE look around and see what will happen to these families if this goes ahead. Its similar to ethnic cleansing and must be stopped. Who will be next? You?

I think what they tried (and failed with) was to encourage people to own their own properties with DIYSO.

For some reason people expect Council Housing when they can rent private and still claim Housing and/or Council Tax benefits to cover the cost.

For some reason people want a Council House and forget they can rent private, let's not forget those renting private have had this bedroom Tax for years, it's not a new thing.

ummm have you not seen the cost of private housing? And did you not know that most landlords will NOT accept anyone receiving any houisng benefit -apart from one particular evil person whom I daren't name, who has been paid via backhanders from councils to provide disgustingly revolting accomodation for those who cannot afford anything better.

Why do private Landlords not accept people on benefits?

It's a serious question. Landlords are guaranteed a rental income each month.

Maybe it's down to the fact they trash the properties they live in as they don't own it? I don't know, but there must be a good reason.

I see no reason why someone who is unemployed and on benefits why they can't rent private, Yes it will cost more, but they won't pay, Me and others will pay. I feel the difference is, they feel a Council House is for life and we need to stop this attitude and make people want better in their lives.

...Probably because of that exact quote of yours 'they trash the properties' because people on benefits are seen as trash. And I feel this same view comes from the top. It is so depressing to listen to how people on benefits of any kind are considered scum.
I am of the same opinion as J K Rowling. She had to have the safety net of benefits in the past. she says she wouldn't have coped as the system is now and is totally disgusted with what is happening. It is no longer a safety net.
Am totally fed up with people's assumptions that because they know a benefit cheat, they tar all with same brush. and this absolute weird belief that they are living on £26,000 per year.
Living on benefits is humiliating. You worry about using the elctric to watch the so called plasma tv one is supposed to have, let alone affording the TV licence. If you are sick or disabled you do not have any money to afford the luxuries which could ease that pain.
I think some of you should stop worrying yourselves about the scrounger that you know (shop em) and start thinking about how those live that are desperate. People are dying because of these reforms. But no one cares about them.
Perhaps someone should make public all these affordable rentals to downsize to - all these so called one bed places. All these jobs that are going begging.

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I see people deemed to be “vulnerable” (I am talking about the lazy scroungers here) that have not worked or even tried to find a way to support themselves throughout their working lives continually sponge off state at the taxpayer’s expense, these are the people who you should be angry at not the people who bother to go to work and support themselves. The group I mentioned here is considerably bigger strain on the public purse than those you mentioned in your post. As they saying goes” You should not bite the hand that feeds you”

For heaven's sake. These people are NOT a strain on the public purse at all. They are a very very small percentage and have minimal affect. Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the costs of the new welfare reforms and who makes a profit out of it and how much. And why didn't you phone/email the benefit fraud hotline???? Oh I wish I could show you how the other half lives. I wish I could show you how these reforms are destroying lives.

Miss Confused, The people I am was talking about which there are many who have no inclination whatsoever to do a day’s work even though they could if they wanted to; these people are most definitely a strain on the public purse. There is no point to call the benefits hotline as they are deemed too unwell to work it’s the system that has given them all this lovely free money at the taxpayer’s expense and they spend it on drugs booze and fags, which in some cases, exacerbate their condition. I am sure there will be some pain in adjusting for some if they have to move but it’s something most of us have to endure sometime in our lives.

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I see people deemed to be “vulnerable” (I am talking about the lazy scroungers here) that have not worked or even tried to find a way to support themselves throughout their working lives continually sponge off state at the taxpayer’s expense, these are the people who you should be angry at not the people who bother to go to work and support themselves. The group I mentioned here is considerably bigger strain on the public purse than those you mentioned in your post. As they saying goes” You should not bite the hand that feeds you”

For heaven's sake. These people are NOT a strain on the public purse at all. They are a very very small percentage and have minimal affect. Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the costs of the new welfare reforms and who makes a profit out of it and how much. And why didn't you phone/email the benefit fraud hotline???? Oh I wish I could show you how the other half lives. I wish I could show you how these reforms are destroying lives.

Miss Confused, The people I am was talking about which there are many who have no inclination whatsoever to do a day’s work even though they could if they wanted to; these people are most definitely a strain on the public purse. There is no point to call the benefits hotline as they are deemed too unwell to work it’s the system that has given them all this lovely free money at the taxpayer’s expense and they spend it on drugs booze and fags, which in some cases, exacerbate their condition. I am sure there will be some pain in adjusting for some if they have to move but it’s something most of us have to endure sometime in our lives.

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I see people deemed to be “vulnerable” (I am talking about the lazy scroungers here) that have not worked or even tried to find a way to support themselves throughout their working lives continually sponge off state at the taxpayer’s expense, these are the people who you should be angry at not the people who bother to go to work and support themselves. The group I mentioned here is considerably bigger strain on the public purse than those you mentioned in your post. As they saying goes” You should not bite the hand that feeds you”

For heaven's sake. These people are NOT a strain on the public purse at all. They are a very very small percentage and have minimal affect. Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the costs of the new welfare reforms and who makes a profit out of it and how much. And why didn't you phone/email the benefit fraud hotline???? Oh I wish I could show you how the other half lives. I wish I could show you how these reforms are destroying lives.

Miss Confused, The people I am was talking about which there are many who have no inclination whatsoever to do a day’s work even though they could if they wanted to; these people are most definitely a strain on the public purse. There is no point to call the benefits hotline as they are deemed too unwell to work it’s the system that has given them all this lovely free money at the taxpayer’s expense and they spend it on drugs booze and fags, which in some cases, exacerbate their condition. I am sure there will be some pain in adjusting for some if they have to move but it’s something most of us have to endure sometime in our lives.

Now I know you are telling FIBBERS. You are prepared to have a good old go about this benefit cheat you purport to know but can't be bothered to report him??? By the way, if someone is reported to the benefits hotline, they ARE investigated.

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I see people deemed to be “vulnerable” (I am talking about the lazy scroungers here) that have not worked or even tried to find a way to support themselves throughout their working lives continually sponge off state at the taxpayer’s expense, these are the people who you should be angry at not the people who bother to go to work and support themselves. The group I mentioned here is considerably bigger strain on the public purse than those you mentioned in your post. As they saying goes” You should not bite the hand that feeds you”

For heaven's sake. These people are NOT a strain on the public purse at all. They are a very very small percentage and have minimal affect. Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the costs of the new welfare reforms and who makes a profit out of it and how much. And why didn't you phone/email the benefit fraud hotline???? Oh I wish I could show you how the other half lives. I wish I could show you how these reforms are destroying lives.

Miss Confused, The people I am was talking about which there are many who have no inclination whatsoever to do a day’s work even though they could if they wanted to; these people are most definitely a strain on the public purse. There is no point to call the benefits hotline as they are deemed too unwell to work it’s the system that has given them all this lovely free money at the taxpayer’s expense and they spend it on drugs booze and fags, which in some cases, exacerbate their condition. I am sure there will be some pain in adjusting for some if they have to move but it’s something most of us have to endure sometime in our lives.

Now I know you are telling FIBBERS. You are prepared to have a good old go about this benefit cheat you purport to know but can't be bothered to report him??? By the way, if someone is reported to the benefits hotline, they ARE investigated.

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I see people deemed to be “vulnerable” (I am talking about the lazy scroungers here) that have not worked or even tried to find a way to support themselves throughout their working lives continually sponge off state at the taxpayer’s expense, these are the people who you should be angry at not the people who bother to go to work and support themselves. The group I mentioned here is considerably bigger strain on the public purse than those you mentioned in your post. As they saying goes” You should not bite the hand that feeds you”

For heaven's sake. These people are NOT a strain on the public purse at all. They are a very very small percentage and have minimal affect. Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the costs of the new welfare reforms and who makes a profit out of it and how much. And why didn't you phone/email the benefit fraud hotline???? Oh I wish I could show you how the other half lives. I wish I could show you how these reforms are destroying lives.

Miss Confused, The people I am was talking about which there are many who have no inclination whatsoever to do a day’s work even though they could if they wanted to; these people are most definitely a strain on the public purse. There is no point to call the benefits hotline as they are deemed too unwell to work it’s the system that has given them all this lovely free money at the taxpayer’s expense and they spend it on drugs booze and fags, which in some cases, exacerbate their condition. I am sure there will be some pain in adjusting for some if they have to move but it’s something most of us have to endure sometime in our lives.

Now I know you are telling FIBBERS. You are prepared to have a good old go about this benefit cheat you purport to know but can't be bothered to report him??? By the way, if someone is reported to the benefits hotline, they ARE investigated.

Again read my post before you reply

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I see people deemed to be “vulnerable” (I am talking about the lazy scroungers here) that have not worked or even tried to find a way to support themselves throughout their working lives continually sponge off state at the taxpayer’s expense, these are the people who you should be angry at not the people who bother to go to work and support themselves. The group I mentioned here is considerably bigger strain on the public purse than those you mentioned in your post. As they saying goes” You should not bite the hand that feeds you”

For heaven's sake. These people are NOT a strain on the public purse at all. They are a very very small percentage and have minimal affect. Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the costs of the new welfare reforms and who makes a profit out of it and how much. And why didn't you phone/email the benefit fraud hotline???? Oh I wish I could show you how the other half lives. I wish I could show you how these reforms are destroying lives.

Miss Confused, The people I am was talking about which there are many who have no inclination whatsoever to do a day’s work even though they could if they wanted to; these people are most definitely a strain on the public purse. There is no point to call the benefits hotline as they are deemed too unwell to work it’s the system that has given them all this lovely free money at the taxpayer’s expense and they spend it on drugs booze and fags, which in some cases, exacerbate their condition. I am sure there will be some pain in adjusting for some if they have to move but it’s something most of us have to endure sometime in our lives.

Now I know you are telling FIBBERS. You are prepared to have a good old go about this benefit cheat you purport to know but can't be bothered to report him??? By the way, if someone is reported to the benefits hotline, they ARE investigated.

Again read my post before you reply

I apologise but you stated that there was no point reporting them as they are deemed too unwell to work?
The whole point of the benefit fraud hotline is to investigate undercover over a lengthy period of time as to whether these people really are ill or incapable of work.
Your attitude about the free money really is terrible. Most claimants are actually in low paid jobs. Do you have a clue as to how much a claimant receives? It is actually less than the minimum required by law to survive. If these people you know are buying drugs and alcohol then they are probably nicking it.
Why are you not concerned over how much our MPs pinch off the taxpayer via their so called expenses. what about bankers etc and their indecent bonuses - all at the taxpayers expense. The super rich are not being targeted, only those on low wages.
It's actually costing the taxpayer far more to implement and run these benefit reforms.
I assume you are so finacially secure that if you fell ill, unable to work, that you have savings to support yourself through your illness or until it kills you? If not, you yourself would be classed as a benefit scrounger. It may also actually twig that you would not have enough to live on. People on benefits do NOT have the money to buy drugs and alcohol, not at the expense of food, heating and bills. So at least these scroungers will probably end up killing themselves so solving your concerns.
you are a cold hearted person and am glad i do not know you. I shall not be posting any more replies as totally pointless.

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I see people deemed to be “vulnerable” (I am talking about the lazy scroungers here) that have not worked or even tried to find a way to support themselves throughout their working lives continually sponge off state at the taxpayer’s expense, these are the people who you should be angry at not the people who bother to go to work and support themselves. The group I mentioned here is considerably bigger strain on the public purse than those you mentioned in your post. As they saying goes” You should not bite the hand that feeds you”

For heaven's sake. These people are NOT a strain on the public purse at all. They are a very very small percentage and have minimal affect. Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the costs of the new welfare reforms and who makes a profit out of it and how much. And why didn't you phone/email the benefit fraud hotline???? Oh I wish I could show you how the other half lives. I wish I could show you how these reforms are destroying lives.

Miss Confused, The people I am was talking about which there are many who have no inclination whatsoever to do a day’s work even though they could if they wanted to; these people are most definitely a strain on the public purse. There is no point to call the benefits hotline as they are deemed too unwell to work it’s the system that has given them all this lovely free money at the taxpayer’s expense and they spend it on drugs booze and fags, which in some cases, exacerbate their condition. I am sure there will be some pain in adjusting for some if they have to move but it’s something most of us have to endure sometime in our lives.

Now I know you are telling FIBBERS. You are prepared to have a good old go about this benefit cheat you purport to know but can't be bothered to report him??? By the way, if someone is reported to the benefits hotline, they ARE investigated.

Again read my post before you reply

I apologise but you stated that there was no point reporting them as they are deemed too unwell to work? The whole point of the benefit fraud hotline is to investigate undercover over a lengthy period of time as to whether these people really are ill or incapable of work. Your attitude about the free money really is terrible. Most claimants are actually in low paid jobs. Do you have a clue as to how much a claimant receives? It is actually less than the minimum required by law to survive. If these people you know are buying drugs and alcohol then they are probably nicking it. Why are you not concerned over how much our MPs pinch off the taxpayer via their so called expenses. what about bankers etc and their indecent bonuses - all at the taxpayers expense. The super rich are not being targeted, only those on low wages. It's actually costing the taxpayer far more to implement and run these benefit reforms. I assume you are so finacially secure that if you fell ill, unable to work, that you have savings to support yourself through your illness or until it kills you? If not, you yourself would be classed as a benefit scrounger. It may also actually twig that you would not have enough to live on. People on benefits do NOT have the money to buy drugs and alcohol, not at the expense of food, heating and bills. So at least these scroungers will probably end up killing themselves so solving your concerns. you are a cold hearted person and am glad i do not know you. I shall not be posting any more replies as totally pointless.

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I see people deemed to be “vulnerable” (I am talking about the lazy scroungers here) that have not worked or even tried to find a way to support themselves throughout their working lives continually sponge off state at the taxpayer’s expense, these are the people who you should be angry at not the people who bother to go to work and support themselves. The group I mentioned here is considerably bigger strain on the public purse than those you mentioned in your post. As they saying goes” You should not bite the hand that feeds you”

For heaven's sake. These people are NOT a strain on the public purse at all. They are a very very small percentage and have minimal affect. Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the costs of the new welfare reforms and who makes a profit out of it and how much. And why didn't you phone/email the benefit fraud hotline???? Oh I wish I could show you how the other half lives. I wish I could show you how these reforms are destroying lives.

Miss Confused, The people I am was talking about which there are many who have no inclination whatsoever to do a day’s work even though they could if they wanted to; these people are most definitely a strain on the public purse. There is no point to call the benefits hotline as they are deemed too unwell to work it’s the system that has given them all this lovely free money at the taxpayer’s expense and they spend it on drugs booze and fags, which in some cases, exacerbate their condition. I am sure there will be some pain in adjusting for some if they have to move but it’s something most of us have to endure sometime in our lives.

there is no way these people could possibly fool ATOS let alone the medical profession! Haven't you heard?People with no legs are being found fit for work. Seriously ill people are being deemed fit for work. If you have cancer and have more than six months to live you HAVE to work until the 6 month deadline.Bedridden people are being assessed as fit for work. These companies can receive over £7,000 for every person they place on the back to work programme. And I don't understand how you can seriously belive that someone can afford all these things on the pittence they receive. For the majority of claimants they would rather be at work earning a decent living and having a quality life. Oh if only there were jobs out there. No one surely would rather be disabled than not? Remember it is also people on low pay who are also recieving benefits. They are being hit too pushing them into poverty. This is not about the scrounger who works the system (impossible yo do now), this is about everyone on benefits being demonised because of a few.

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

miss confused wrote:

ohec wrote:

miss confused wrote: It seems most of you on here haven't actually got a clue as to what the bedroom tax is and who and how it will affect people. Don't think it could never happen to you if you feel seriously ill or had a child with a disabilty. Please do not be influenced by the media and our PM and I. Duncan Smith. make your own minds up and please have EMPATHY. http://www.thefword. org.uk/blog/2013/03/ fight_the_bedro

I think it is very wrong of you to accuse people of (not Having a Clue) with regard to the so called bedroom tax, they might have different views to yours but that doesn't mean they are not well informed, as with many things in life it is very easy to give something but very hard to take it away. For example if you have lived in a 3 bed house for many years and looked after that house spending money to make it nice and your family have grown up and left home and you thought that you would end your days in that house and then out of the blue you are told you will not receive any benefits for the 2 bedrooms you don't use meaning you can no longer afford to live there, its not surprising people are not happy. The basic problem being that council tenants have always been encouraged to some degree to consider the house to be their's in an effort to encourage them to look after the property and as long as you abided by the tenancy agreement the house was yours as long as you wanted it, even to the extent of children taking over the tenancy in some cases. But now things are changing so they can utilise the properties to there full extent in an effort to cover up the fact that both governments have failed miserably to make adequate provision for social housing.

I see scared, vulnerable people being picked upon. People who just cannot find the extra money. I see someone who has had their dining room area converted to a bedroom, a special needs bathroom extension built, the whole downstairs converted with hoists, winches, machinery in every room/ceiling downstairs. The irony is that now the dining area has been converted to a bedroom, they are said to have an extra spare room including another that was used by a son who left home, so makes 2 extra to pay for. What do they do? On top of that, council tax has not had an increase but those on benefits will have to pay 20%. . It's scandalous. The poor are being kicked into the gutter and stamped on, being made scapegoats. I really do not see how anyone could possible think differently. So, I shall continue to protest and stand by those who cannot get out to protest themselves.

I see people deemed to be “vulnerable” (I am talking about the lazy scroungers here) that have not worked or even tried to find a way to support themselves throughout their working lives continually sponge off state at the taxpayer’s expense, these are the people who you should be angry at not the people who bother to go to work and support themselves. The group I mentioned here is considerably bigger strain on the public purse than those you mentioned in your post. As they saying goes” You should not bite the hand that feeds you”

For heaven's sake. These people are NOT a strain on the public purse at all. They are a very very small percentage and have minimal affect. Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the costs of the new welfare reforms and who makes a profit out of it and how much. And why didn't you phone/email the benefit fraud hotline???? Oh I wish I could show you how the other half lives. I wish I could show you how these reforms are destroying lives.

Miss Confused, The people I am was talking about which there are many who have no inclination whatsoever to do a day’s work even though they could if they wanted to; these people are most definitely a strain on the public purse. There is no point to call the benefits hotline as they are deemed too unwell to work it’s the system that has given them all this lovely free money at the taxpayer’s expense and they spend it on drugs booze and fags, which in some cases, exacerbate their condition. I am sure there will be some pain in adjusting for some if they have to move but it’s something most of us have to endure sometime in our lives.

there is no way these people could possibly fool ATOS let alone the medical profession! Haven't you heard?People with no legs are being found fit for work. Seriously ill people are being deemed fit for work. If you have cancer and have more than six months to live you HAVE to work until the 6 month deadline.Bedridden people are being assessed as fit for work. These companies can receive over £7,000 for every person they place on the back to work programme. And I don't understand how you can seriously belive that someone can afford all these things on the pittence they receive. For the majority of claimants they would rather be at work earning a decent living and having a quality life. Oh if only there were jobs out there. No one surely would rather be disabled than not? Remember it is also people on low pay who are also recieving benefits. They are being hit too pushing them into poverty. This is not about the scrounger who works the system (impossible yo do now), this is about everyone on benefits being demonised because of a few.

This statement is actually okay only if you didn’t include paragraph which begins “And I…. “- This is a load of rubbish. If you think people do not want to hide behind a disability in order not to work you I’m afraid are very ignorant of a sizeable chunk of benefits claimants in this country